Count Dankula Explains How to Save Western Civilization | “YOUR WELCOME” #410

Summary

YOUR WELCOME with Michael Malice
Count Dankula Explains How to Save Western Civilization
Episode #410 | April 8, 2026

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Episode Overview

Michael Malice welcomes back Scottish internet personality and free speech activist Count Dankula (Mark Meechan) for their annual discussion, focusing on the state of the UK, Scottish nationalism, political chaos across the West, the rise of fringe parties, war, culture, and “how to save Western Civilization.” The tone is darkly comedic, filled with biting sarcasm, personal stories, and wide-ranging insights into politics and society on both sides of the Atlantic.

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1. State of Scotland & the West

Main Theme:
Scotland as a microcosm for the broader issues facing the UK, Europe, and Western civilization: institutional decay, identity crises, and a frustrated, disenchanted populace.

Key Points:

• Obvious Cultural Decline: Both agree that things in the UK, and especially Scotland, have only gotten worse since their last conversation. Malice travelers’ anecdote about “safe, not fun” theater banners near Westminster as emblematic of societal decay.
  (04:00) “They’re not exaggerating. It’s worse than all the podcasters are saying... The UK is a mess.” – Malice

• Scottish Political Confusion:

  • The unpopularity of SNP’s Humza Yousaf (called “Humza Useless”) demonstrated a shift; even long-time SNP supporters balked when a non-white party leader was elected: “I just thought, you know, it would be a Scottish guy.” (06:32)
  • Yousaf’s fall was orchestrated by the old guard fearing electoral disaster, replaced by the “unremarkable” John Swinney.
  • The right wants change, but “nobody wants to vote Tories”; voting Tory is still seen as a betrayal of Scottish identity.
    (07:20) “They want something right-wing, but they feel it would be a betrayal of their people.” – Dankula

• Youth Radicalization:

  • Count Dankula notes his audience is getting younger; he’s approached by teens saying “you radicalized me,” leading to concerns about how online discourse can inspire unexpected directions.
    (08:24) “Don’t say that! I don’t want to get pulled up in front of Louis Theroux one day.” – Dankula

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2. Institutional Distrust & Political Realignment

Main Theme:
Traditional parties are collapsing, with the emergence of unpredictable coalitions and populist movements on both left and right.

Key Points:

• Farage & The Reform Party:

  • Malice outlines Reform surpassing Tories, Labour, Lib Dems, and Greens in national polls; Scotland’s SNP remains strong, but a right-wing alternative is gaining ground.
  • Dankula’s personal mistrust of Nigel Farage: he’s egotistical, blocks other’s achievements (“If there was something genuinely good that would benefit everyone, Farage would block it if he wouldn’t get the credit.” (14:11))
  • Division among populist right—Farage’s Reform vs. Rupert Lowe’s “Restore Britain,” with accusations of egomania and empty promises on both sides.

• The Hidden Power Structure:

  • Consensus that actual policy is shaped behind closed doors by invisible power brokers. Even genuine reformers “get pulled into a back room and are told, here’s the way things really work... We’ll let you do a couple of things. But outside of that, you’re doing jack.” (15:58) – Dankula

• Election Dysfunction:

  • Massive voter apathy, endless tactical voting, growing irrelevance of the Tories, possible surges by new right-wing parties, and the likelihood of a Green Party surge despite “utter lunacy” in their platform. (46:29) “We are going to be a little bit [effed]. Because I do think the next election is going to be between reform and the Greens.” – Dankula

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3. The Futility and Vicious Cycle of War

Main Theme:
War's diminishing returns, global interventionism, and growing cynicism toward the “world police” role of the US and UK.

Key Points:

• US/UK Foreign Policy Hypocrisy:

  • Malice and Dankula mock the justifications for perpetual war and the predictable results—traumatized generations, ongoing cycles of intervention, and terrorism. (23:53) “They create the problems and sell you the solution—which requires you to give them just a little bit more power, just a tap, just to see how it feels.” – Dankula

• Changing Utility of War:

  • Dankula sees a “white pill” in war’s declining profitability (e.g., Russia/Ukraine induced cost-of-living crisis, oil shocks): “People might actually have to look at things like diplomacy...” (27:02)

• Cultural Trauma:

  • Weaving in historical examples (WWI, atomic bombings, Afghanistan, veterans’ letters), Malice and Dankula emphasize how policymakers and generals may sign off on mass death with chilling detachment. (30:23) “You can't blame that old lady in the street. Even if she was for the emperor... it's not such a good thing that her son never came home.” – Malice

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4. Breakdown of Political Options & Voter Disenchantment

Main Theme:
Collapse of the old two-party system, with hyperfragmentation and a public that is “so long not getting what they want that now no one knows what they want.” (61:06)

Key Points:

• Labour and Tories in Disgrace:

  • Both parties are hollowed out. Labour winning due to Tory abstention, not affirmative support (41:27).
  • Keir Starmer “wishes he was Tony Blair”—Blair remains a “war criminal” to both sides, while Starmer “just looks like a history teacher with some pending allegations” (38:23–38:58).

• “Green Surge” and Danger of Fringe Politics:

  • Disgruntled leftists and Muslims forming new coalitions (e.g., Green party’s by-election win). Greens portrayed as ultra-leftist, “hippy dippy,” naive on economics, open borders, and dubious on child protection: (50:59) “People with that kind of, like, nature-y ideology have very dubious ideas regarding children.” – Malice

  • Dankula's theory: “Children can totally consent to all that stuff. And then in my head, I’m like, ‘Yeah, okay, and what else could they consent to to do with their body?’... it’s been a vehicle for that stuff.” (52:24)

• Tactical Voting & Representation Paradox:

  • Voting is so split, parties may “win” with only 23% of the vote—nobody gets what they want, and the cycle of frustration accelerates.
    (58:15) “I think people are going to start looking at this and go this isn’t working for literally anyone, no matter who we put in the big chair.” – Dankula

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5. Memorable Quotes & Moments

• [06:32] Dankula: “I've known staunch SNP supporters their entire life—‘No, refugees are welcome here’... and then a Brown man got elected leader of the SNP... ‘I mean, I just thought, you know, it would be a Scottish guy.’”
• [14:11] Dankula (on Farage): “If there was something genuinely good that would benefit everyone, Farage would block it if he wouldn’t get the credit.”
• [23:17] Dankula: “As soon as bombs start dropping and children start getting blown to pieces, you kind of go, you know what? I don’t really like these guys that much.”
• [43:53] “You’ve always been a bitch, Stacy.” – Dankula, mocking privileged leftists’ self-discovery journeys
• [50:59] Malice: “People with that kind of, like, nature-y ideology have very dubious ideas regarding children.”
• [55:00] Dankula: “If I take a shit in the kitchen, that doesn’t make it food.”

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6. Notable Segments & Timestamps

• 00:00–05:43: Intro, weight loss banter, Scotland vs. the West, Scottish cultural pride
• 05:43–10:00: Scotland’s changing demographics & politics; Humza Yousaf; youth radicalization
• 10:01–15:58: UK political chaos; skepticism toward Farage, Restore Britain, and the role of hidden powers
• 19:19–25:30: War, foreign policy cynicism, Afghanistan and Iran, the cycle of trauma and blowback
• 27:26–38:23: Ukraine/Korea analogies; Greens’ rise; Starmer vs. Blair; British political pigeonholing
• 38:24–46:29: Voter disillusionment; tactical voting; exploding party system
• 50:28–54:51: Dangers of a potential Green government; blurred boundaries on children’s consent
• 58:07–61:41: Prediction: “Massive political uncertainty”; likely coalition government due to fractured vote

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7. Observations on Culture, Food & Society

• Scottish Food:

  • Malice quizzes Dankula on scotch eggs (thumbs down—“I don’t like eggs”) and haggis (thumbs up—“It’s like ground beef, actually really good”).
    [56:46] Dankula: “It’s the heart, lungs, and liver of a sheep boiled in its own stomach... texture is not what you think it is.”

• Regulation, Business, and Class Warfare:

  • The duo criticize government overregulation and high taxes as self-defeating, driving businesses (and the wealthy) away while empowering giant corporations. (67:22) “Rich people in companies do not like financial uncertainty. They don’t like it... Now that some loony leftist is in, I’m shutting them off season, pulling the fuck out.” – Dankula

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8. Conclusion & Closing Notes

• System Rigged from All Angles:

  • Whether it's left or right, insiders or outsiders, every plausible option seems compromised—either a pawn of a hidden regime or a well-meaning dupe limited by structural constraints. Voters are trapped by tactical dilemmas, first-past-the-post quirks, and the unreliability of even the “alternative” parties. (61:06) “No one knows what they want... What the fuck do I do?” – Dankula

• Favorite Part of the Interview:

  • Dankula: “I was hoping for more offensive [questions]. More rude ones... I want all of you to start getting bolder, start asking me weird stuff because I’ll answer it.” (71:20)

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The episode is a rollercoaster of gallows humor, sharp political analysis, and absurdist banter, underscoring the sense of drift and cynicism in both UK and US politics—but also the faint glimmer of hope that disillusionment might one day spur genuine change.

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Quick Index

• 00:00 – Malice intro & weight loss banter
• 04:00 – Scotland, UK, and the West: decline
• 06:32 – Humza Yousaf, demographic anxieties
• 10:01 – Farage, Restore Britain, right-wing alternatives
• 15:58 – "Hidden powers" behind politicians
• 19:19 – War, Obama/Trump, U.S. global policing
• 27:26 – Ukraine and war’s impact on ordinary people
• 38:23 – Blair, Starmer, Labour/Democritus party failures
• 46:29 – Fragmented electorate, “Green Surge” warning
• 52:24 – Greens’ child agency policies
• 58:15 – The bleak math of representation and vote-splitting
• 61:41 – Predicting the next UK government: confusion reigns
• 71:20 – Dankula’s favorite part & open invitation for edgier questions

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End of summary.

Transcript

[A]

Folks, my new graphic novel, a Tall tale of the Old Westland New wave, is out for pre order now. I've been working on this for 25 years. It's a dark comedy with a shiny exterior. Please check it [e-mail]. Good afternoon. Michael Malice here. Let that be your welcome for the next hour. This is the episode I look forward to every year. There's going to be a lot of chortling from two shylords, because with us today is Count Dankula, who is a streamer free speech martyr. They wanted to put you away because you taught your dog how to do a Roman salute. And proud Scotsman. I hope you had a fun Easter and hope everyone watching this who celebrates it had a great Easter as well. Dank. Count Dankula is the name. Dank. I have to ask, you look like you've lost a ton of weight. Are you hitting that Ozempic?

[B]

I'm not an Ozempic. I've been accused of Ozempic. No, I just went through a shit divorce, you know. That does it. Oh, no, it's fine. I'm good now. I've been. I'm at the gym, like all the time now and all that. I've lost all the weight.

[A]

That's great.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I'm always in the gym. I've got like my deadlift set next to me. Yeah, yeah, we've got. We've got a leftocracy here in the office. Basically, if you're not at the top of the board, you're a like. So. Yeah, I'm just. I just work out all the time now

[A]

and I think that's smart and good for everyone watching this because I, you know, getting into shape and losing the weight is just. You're a dad, so that's something you have to think about as well. Like being there for a long time.

[B]

Yeah, I was a. I was a fat for like a good while as well. Really. Yeah. So I've managed to lose it, although I don't even have the saggy stomach or anything. So I got lucky.

[A]

Oh, you are lucky, because I lose skin. It's Ethan Supply. You might know him. People watch him. He's been a guest in the show. He was at £400. He was the world's fattest junkie because he was a heroin addict, but still managed to put on the weight and he's lost it all.

[B]

As a Scotsman, that's impressive. Like, I don't know how the. You put on weight while you're on a heroin

[A]

that's style. Yeah.

[B]

You was eaten.

[A]

Yeah, that's when you eat the pizza without chewing dispenser, and you just shove it in.

[B]

How many calories is heroin? Was he, like, cutting it down with cooking oil or something? Like, what the was he doing?

[A]

I don't know how he did it. But the point is, when you're that heavy, you lose the weight. You're gonna have that loose skin. In fact, here's a secret people don't know. I worked with LL Cool J's trainer, and LL was one of the first celebrities who went from, like, being a rapper to being, like, a fitness person. And there's a book cover he has where he's all ripped and he has his hands by his waist. And he. The reason he's doing this, he had a little loose skin, and he's trying to pull it down to show the full six pack. So even if someone's always been, like, kind of fit, it's going to be hard to not have that loose skin. So you're. You really lucked out.

[B]

Yeah, I got. All right. I still got a little tiny bit of the dad got on, but apparently girls like that. Yeah.

[A]

So, yeah, I think about our conversation that we've had last year, I think every other week, because I think Scotland is a microcosm of what's wrong with the uk, which is a microcosm. What's wrong with Europe, which is a microcosm. What's wrong with the West. And it's this. I'm a big fan, I've told you this before, of any people who punch above their weight in terms of cultural impact. And, you know, everyone from some little country is proud of it. And you. You don't. You can't blame them. If I met someone from St. Lucia, for example, they. I'm sure St. Lucia is beautiful. I have no doubt. I'm not being sarcastic. If I went there, I'd be blown away. Amazing people had a fun time. But if you talk about the impact of St. Lucie on the world, it's going to be small. And that's fine. Doesn't mean you're bad people. Just means you're not impactful. The Scots are different because the Scots are the mom who's like, my son is football captain and valedictorian and, you know, debate team and blah, blah, blah. The accomplishments of the Scottish people are insane in terms of world history. And for me to sit here and have more Scottish pride as someone who's never even been there than people who live there remains to Me psychotic. And I think about it all the time because I'm like, if you can figure out how this happened, not you, but anyone listening to this, then maybe you could figure out how the west happened. How did it get so cucked since you and I last spoke? I went to the UK last August and I want to reiterate to everyone, the people freaking out about how bad is in the UK are not exaggerating. It is worse than all the podcasters are saying. They're not. It's not clickbait, they're not being hyperbolic. There was a theater two blocks away from Parliament and they were bragging that if you come to their shows, they're safe, not entertaining, not fun for the whole family. You won't get stabbed. This is two blocks away from Parliament? Yes, we went to Folkton, Folkestone, something like that. It's a resort town. You know, you used to go there in the 1920s. You can see France on the horizon. Everywhere was hijabs. It was so bizarre. So I would love to hear, since we last spoke, have things in Scotland gotten even worse or better?

[B]

Things are still getting worse, you know, as far as the institutions and things like that go. But among the populace, I am noticing a shift in the way people think. People. I think people are starting to, you know, they're taking their heads out the sand and they're looking around and kind of going, oh, like this, this is starting to get really, really bad now. Like, I know you said about the hijabs, we call them penguins. Like, we see them like tottering around all the place, you know, like, penguin nerd, nerd. Like, them, them. You see them all over the place. And one of the things that was a bit of a sort of a red pilling moment for a lot of people is remember Hamza Youssef, of course, or Hamza Humza, Useless as everybody likes to call him. Like, he ended up getting made the leader of the snp. And it was kind of funny because I've known people who I've known have been staunch SNP supporters their entire life, and they're like, no refugees are welcome here, man. Like, I like living in a diverse nation. Yeah, Scottish nationalism. We need to break away from Westminster. And then as a Brown man got elected leader of the snp, they were like, I mean, I want Scottish independence. I just, I just thought, you know, and I was like, say it, say it. I was like, just like you, you wanted to be a Scottish guy. And they were like, yeah, kind of did. And they're Kind of. And they got to the point where Hamza Yousef get so unpopular that I think the old guard of the SNP pulled him into a room and said, we are going to get fucking Molly whopped at the next election if you don't stand down. So for undisclosed reasons, he just decided to stand down. And instead we got John Swinney, who's just a really unremarkable man, apart from he looks like a really old turtle. Like, there's nothing controversial about him. He's not done anything. He's still singing from the same like woke him sheet and all that, but just not as much. But the snp, they've still fell a good number in the AS votes, but labor hasn't made gains either, which is interesting. But the problem is, is basically that a lot of Scottish people want a right wing alternative, but none of them want to vote Tories. Because I think we spoke about that last time where everyone was just raised to hate the Tories here. So everyone feels it would be a betrayal. They want something right wing but they feel it would be a betrayal of their people.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like if they voted that way. But one other thing that I'm noticing as well is for some reason my fan base has got younger. Oh, I don't, don't know why. Everyone was always like 25 to like 40, like a good, you know, a good few times older than that. I'd get approached in the street. They want a cell phone, they want to chat for like five minutes. I've had a couple of schoolboys going like, oh, mate, you radicalized me and everything. And I was like, should you be watching my videos? We weren't like, what the are you doing? And everyone. I was just also. Don't say that. Yeah, you radicalized me in other man. I was like, I don't want to get pulled up and in front of Louis Theroux one day because you decided to do something, save the white race. Don't do that.

[A]

So, no. Okay, a couple of points. First of all, people don't know Hamza Yousef was the head of the snp. And it wasn't simply he's. Is he from Pakistani descent? Is that correct?

[B]

His mom and daughter from Pakistan. But he was born here.

[A]

Yeah. So he wasn't simply, you know, a son of immigrants. He went on, I think the floor of Parliament and was going through the different institutions in Scotland and going, this group white. This group white. This group white. It's like, yeah, it's like, if I'm going to, you know, The NBA and pointing out all the players are male. It's like, yeah, Scotland is what, 90 something percent white? Why would you not? So it wasn't simply that he was Pakistani, which, if you have an issue with that, that's one thing. He made a point to condemn the Scottish for being white. It's like, hold on a second. You're a guest here. We welcomed you and your family into our home. You did pretty good for yourself. And now you're taking a dump on the couch and yelling at us that there's shit on the floor. It's just like, have you no shame? I've been following, but it's funny that you said about the kids radicalizing. So behind me is the COVID of the White Pill, and in green is Emma Goldman. And in 1901, Leon Czolgosz assassinated President McKinley. And I have in my hallway, oh, I'm going to bring it out because I want to see your reaction. This is really cool.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

This is really cool. So my house is like, okay, my house is like a museum for mental patients. So this. Let's see if we get up with the glare. These are two telegrams that were sent in 1901. And it says, the president is dying. President McKinley. And this is a. Says the President passed away at a quarter after two this morning. Also September 14, 1901. This is the drawing of Czole Ghosh's brain, the autopsy drawing from 1901, after he shot McKinley and they hanged him. And this was his brain. The point is, after he shot McKinley, he was arrested and he goes, emma Goldman radicalized me. And then Emma Goldman's like, oh, she thought he was. She knew him. She thought he was a Fed because he was acting so crazy. So she starts. She's on the Lamb and she's like,

[B]

what the am I gonna do?

[A]

So I talked about this in the White Pill. They arrest her. And they wanted to do something, but she had nothing to do with it. But, you know, she was fearful for her life. Understandably, to the point about UK politics, I've been following them very, very closely. So for the first time in our lifetime or their lifetime vendor watching this since the forties, it was labor. And the Tories, you know, are the two main parties. And the Liberals, which later became the Lib Dems, they would pull like between 8 and 20%. They'd always be the second tier. Their high point was when Nick Clegg, who was regarded as like, one of the best debaters the Lib Dem has ever had, they pulled Enough seats that they had a coalition government with David Cameron. Now it is complete bedlam. Farage's reform is clearly number one in all the polls. He's around 24 to 28%. And then you have this second tier of the labor, the Conservatives, the Lib Dems and the Greens. And in Scotland, the S and P are still clear ahead. But reform, like you were saying, a right wing party, they're pulling those votes that people who wanted to vote Tory but couldn't feel comfortable doing, is there. What is your perception of Farage on a personal level and Reform Party, Here we go. I'm not talking about person as, as

[B]

someone who used to actually work with the guy in uk. I mean, I've sat there, I've like sat there, I've had a drink with him, I've broke bread with a guy and everything like that. How much can I say here? Basically, I'll just be. I'll just be honest. I don't fucking trust him. I don't trust him to do the right thing. I see him as. He gets very upset when he's not the prettiest girl at the ball. He doesn't like being outshone by anyone. Like, see, for example, See, for example, Right now my big thing is, I wanted free speech in Britain. That's my big campaign thing right at the moment. Do you know Preston Byrne?

[A]

No.

[B]

Right, he is. You've heard of 4chan and Kiwi Farms?

[A]

No, what's that?

[B]

Yeah, I know, but basically, basically they are being hounded by Ofcom, which is the British regulatory body for media, and they're saying, oh, you're not abiding by the child safety bill. So we're going to give you fines and we're going to give you this and we're going to give you that. And so he's now the lawyer representing both the websites and he's basically very rightly saying they're American companies, you're British, Shut the fuck up. Dump tea in the harbor. EVIL SCREECHES OVERHEAD usa, usa. Like, go fuck yourself. Right? And he has started like a free speech bill, which is starting to get a bunch of traction. Right there's the thing is, like, I'm throwing my support behind him. It's his bill, it's his baby, but I'll throw my support behind it. I want him to do well, I want him to succeed, I want his bill to succeed. If I was Nigel Farage, I'd be talking shit about Preston, I'd be trying to damage his bell. No, that was my Idea. I want the credit. It should be me. I'm the most important one. So basically, he see, if there was something genuinely good that would benefit everyone, Farage would block it if he wouldn't get the credit.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

And that's. That's what he cares about more than anything now, Farage being in. Would it be a better than what we have right now? Yeah. In the same way that a cold's better than a flu. Right. It's not perfect, because he's recently done the same thing, like Rupert Law, because you've heard about the Restore Britain.

[A]

So let me explain to people who Rupert Lowe is, because this is interesting and there's a kind of dispute whether this is real or just that people like us who are terminally online. So Rupert Lowe used to be a member of Farage's Reform Party. They split. Now, if you ask Rupert, it's about principle. If you ask Farage, it's about personalities and egos. Rupert Lowe has been on a tear on Twitter and other social media saying, look, we're the real deal. Reform's a sham. You elect Restore, we're going to do X, Y and Z. Yes, that's what they call it over there, Zed. And the question is, all right, is he another egomaniac? It seems to me that he is promising things he's not really in position to deliver. And it's really easy to do that when you don't have a good chance of getting into the number 10. To be like, yep, well, if you voted for you, I'd given you everything. And then when you get in, you don't do it. And for us to do the same thing, well, it's not my fault. It's the fault of the Tories or the fault of the Home Office or the fault of Labor.

[B]

Yeah. And I understand the folly of trying to rely on democracy when it's like, I cast my vote, things will be different this time. Finally. I understand that that's dumb, right? But maybe you'll get a guy. Because the hang is, we all know that the person that's a leader of the party that becomes Prime Minister, that's not the person pulling the strings. They're going to get there, they're going to get taken into the back room. And even if it's Rupert Law Farage or that happy dippy weirdo guy for the Green Party, they're going to get pulled in our back room and they're going to get told, look, here's the way things really work.

[A]

Right?

[B]

You're going to keep, keep things on trajectory. We're going to keep doing what we're doing. You're just a face. We'll let you do a couple of things and everything. But outside of that, you're doing Jack. Yeah, because like, and I think that will happen even if like Rupert Law went in there, he won in like a landslide. And he went in with like full intention of doing the mass deportations, getting ready to do, delivering every single one of these promises, he's going to be taken into the back room. And given that talking to it's the same one that every world leader gets.

[A]

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[B]

He changed any second term. Trump changed any second term back like

[A]

the beginning of the second term. Like he was, he was throwing home runs and now he's going full blown neocon. So in the first term, he, they really ran the table on him. People forget that. And he scaffolds administration. He drained the swamp by staffing his administration with it. So neither of us know what goes on. It seems, whatever. Here's the other thing. Whatever people think is the answer, they think it's obvious. And it's like, it's, it's not obvious. We don't know what's a bluff and what isn't.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. It's just, Yeah. I know that he was like the no more wars guy, but I was like, we Iran. And it's the same excuse we got before as Iran's about to build a nuke and everything. And it's just sort of like, oh, is the bear get claws, don't poke it. Then like, stop, stop with it. And Everything. And it's just sort of like America is back to the old ways of swinging its deck all over the world and then going, why does everybody hate us? Why do people want to attack us? And everything like that. And it's just sort of when you play world police, you're going to get everyone starting to get pissed off because it's not about safety, it's about their power. And it becomes a vicious cycle. If you basically do something really shitty to your country, even you know, like 30, 40 years ago, it's a total third world thing. And you're like, ah, we don't have to worry about that. They've got sticks and mud huts. We know. And then 30, 40 years later, oh wait, they kind of industrialized and they're kind of coming up and they're actually starting to get really powerful now. Oh, we better do something about that and everything. And that's just what happens. But then you get stuck in the vicious cycle where every 20 years or so you have to go on and deal with these guys that are just going to keep getting more powerful. And each time you do it, they're getting angrier and angrier, understandably, even more. And it just becomes a vicious cycle. So America, I think I've. I don't know if America is doing this just because, you know, scorpion and the frog, Third world country doing things sounds like they need bombs, or if it's just a. Casey, we've dug this hole. There is going to be a comeuppance. The chickens will come back to roost one day. We just need to try and delay that for as long as we fucking can. Because I mean, they even managed to get the Ayatollah and nothing changed. The Iranian regime is like, all right, we've already fucking replaced them before the body was even cold. We're still going to fuck you up.

[A]

It's just funny when I talk to libertarians and it's like, who's your favorite president? And they say, William Henry Harrison because He died in 30 days. Hahaha. It's like, it's not like the presidency went away, you idiots. Like, it's like, it's not like you bombed the Ayatollah. And it's like, all right, now we're gonna have a liberal democracy. That's not how it works.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. It's just. I don't know, it's just like it's repeating the same mistakes. You would think there would be a point where they would kind of look at it and go, this isn't really working. This is extraordinarily unpopular. Apparently even like Israel. Everybody thought that, oh, Israel's been champing at the bet for Iran for like ages. The instant the kicked off, as far as what I'm hearing, all the Israeli populace immediately turned on the government. They were like, you, we do not want this. Yeah, we already had the October 7th. And now. And now you're pulling this. We're getting like bombed all the time now. Not just by fucking Hamas and everything. Now it's like Iran firing missiles across at us and everything. And like they are just nobody. Like, nobody's happy who is they're serving. Everybody hates this.

[A]

And also, what's your end game?

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

Like, if the end game is okay, we're gonna. We have a plan somehow. Magic wand. And if you bomb them for three weeks, then Iran becomes kind of western friendly or even just to the level of Turkey, you know, which is, you know, Erdogan's hardly a great guy, but that, that if, no matter what country you are, if planes are coming over and bombing your country. And I, I heard an interview with a resident of Tehran who said it felt like a dragon roaring. And I believe this person you're going to be with your people, no matter how awful they are, as opposed to ones throwing bombs on you. It's not complicated.

[B]

Yeah, as soon as bombs start dropping and children start getting blown to pieces, you kind of go, you know what? I don't really like these guys that much. Yeah, they keep doing these awful things to me and my people. Right. And then basically America will get a terror attack and they'll be like, how did this happen? Like, fucking like, that's, that's the problem. Basically, it's again, it's the classic government thing of we create the problems and then we're going to sell you the solution to the problems that we caused. And funnily enough, those solutions require you giving us just a little bit more power. Just a little bit this time. Just a tap, just to see how it feels.

[A]

To your point, with the mud hut, it wasn't just the mud hats got industrialized. It's that we went there and gave everyone the mud hut's machine guns. And then 20 years later, oh, they're the bad guys now, even though we're shaking hands within 20 years ago because it sued our purpose, this movie is

[B]

dedicated to the brave fighter freedom fighters of the majority.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[A]

Like, people don't know this, but when Afghanistan was serving our interest to being against the Soviet Union, and other things. We went there. We were. Don Rumsfeld was shaking hands with them. I believe it was in. In like the Wall Street Journal.

[B]

The Taliban were fighting us with weapons we gave them.

[A]

Yeah, that's right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And we left them a whole arsenal, including planes with the keys in the ignition.

[B]

Yeah. But I think that. I think that may have been a bit of a prank, though, because did you see that video of them trying to fly a Blackhawk helicopter?

[A]

No.

[B]

Oh, no, it was a Taliban went in and it was just so funny because I know for a fact the Taliban doesn't have a single guy that knows how to fly a Blackhawk.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Right. But that didn't stop the. From trying. They got about 100ft in the air and just plummeted into the ground. Killed everybody on board. Yeah.

[A]

No. You're kidding.

[B]

There's a video of it. There is. There's a video of it.

[A]

What's even funnier is if they could have sold one of those Blackhawks and built a pilot school, like 10 of them. Those things are not cheap.

[B]

Yeah, no, they could have. You could have sold that. They could have sold that to the Russians. The Russians would have paid fat bank for a Blackhawk helicopter. They could reverse engineer. They would have loved that.

[A]

No, but no shortage of people would have. Of countries would have loved to have that. That and they all die. Why didn't they just fly it out there in the magic carpet?

[B]

Yeah, I know exactly. The Iranian air force. Yeah, I've seen that one. Yeah, the magic carpets.

[A]

It's, it's, it's. You know, we have. We, you and I are laughing, but at the same time, you and I both, I'm sure, are very saddened by the situation because at the end of the day, it's just like, is this really the best we can do? Like, is there. Is this really our options are this or Officer Harris locking us in jail because we said the vaccine wasn't tested and maybe has bad side effects for some people. Like, are these really the two choice we have? So it's, it's, it's, it's dark. What's really pleased.

[B]

Sort of the one thing that is making me a little bit more hopeful, right. Is like, especially in the last century, war was profitable. War was very, very well and everything. Like after World War II, American, Britain and everybody had like a full economic boom. Like, everything was going great. Everything was like wonderful. Vietnam, not so much. So maybe in the vast far as like technological research and advancement and everything. Vietnam not too popular and everything. But Any other war after that, especially when it came to oil and things like that war was very, very profitable. But this time around, like even just with Russia, Ukraine, that caused a little, that caused a cost of living crisis for everybody, especially with like the gas pipelines and stuff like that, because Europe was just not allowed to buy Russian gas anymore. And even though we are ran and everything with oil like shooting up and everything, and I know that some people are saying, oh, it's only temporary, once things calm down, blah, blah, blah, and everyone like it's not going to happen. But like, I don't know, I'm finding it a bit white pilling that war isn't becoming profitable anymore. And it's like, holy. People might have to look at things like diplomacy and like solving issues like another way. And I don't know, I know that a lot of wars happen for money. They happen for money. But now that doesn't seem to be the case. And I quite like that, if I'm being honest.

[A]

I, I was born in Ukraine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I look at the Ukraine conflict the same way I looked at the Korean War, which is you have, you know, if it was just the great leader, Kim Il Sung vs Sigmund Rhee in the south, one thing would have happened. But when you have Stalin and Mao backing up Camille Song in the north and you have the US and you in the south, it's the people in the middle, the Korean people, who pay the price. And the country was leveled several times. The only thing standing were chimneys because those are kind of bomb proof, apparently. And you look at Ukraine and it seemed obvious to me, and I'm using the word obvious ironically, because we don't really know that. Zelensky probably would have been happy to cut a deal a while ago and Putin would have been happy to cut a deal a while ago. But you have NATO in the US pushing and I'm sure probably maybe a literal gun to the back of his head being like, no, no, no, no, no, you're not settling this. We're going to drag this out as long as possible. And who pays the price? The Ukrainians and to some extent the Russians. And I mean, that's the kind of thing. And I'm glad, thanks to social media, a lot of the war propaganda isn't as effective as it would have been when you were, I were kids. Because these people, like, hold on a second, what you're talking about is raw armed forces and it's great. And we're kicking the Ayatollah's ass and okay, the Ayatollah was an evil person. He killed thousands of his own citizens. But at the same time, like, when you're bombing Tehran, you're not just bombing jihadis, you're bombing moms, dads, and kids. And you're also turning kids into jihadis. Because if you bomb my parents, I'm not going to grow up and be like, hey, let's be friends. It's going to be like, I'll wait.

[B]

I. He saw his mom and dad get ripped apart by a hellfire missile. I wonder what he's going to do when he grows up.

[A]

Republicans.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. But like, that's, That's, Again, they're creating these problems and that's. I'm going to see all the. That's happening in Iran right now, seeing 10, 20 years or whatever. There's going to be another kickoff because the people that have been affected by it, they're going to grow up and they're going to say, you know what? That America, country, I don't like them so much. Yeah, right. Like, there's no, there's no attempt at just resolving things. It's just a. Casey, that's the thing that I find really, really weird about America is it's like a country that's like, oh, we recognize civil liberties and rights and stuff like that, yet they're constantly infringing on other countries abilities to do what they want to do. And a lot of the time all these countries are trying to do is defend themselves from America.

[A]

I remember when I was in Japan a couple years ago, and I'm walking around and I know this sounds silly, but it was still true. You realized every single person you saw, or almost older was affected by the war. Everyone. There's no. And I'm not saying Japan were the good guys. I'm not saying we shouldn't have done it. I'm not. I'm just saying just. Even if everything was justified vis a vis Japan and they were clearly barbaric in their own way, you still realize every single person in the street's traumatized. And the Godzilla movies, they still, you know, it's a national trauma. And, and I don't really. You can't, you can't blame that old lady in the street. Even if she was for the emperor, with everything she had, it's not such a good thing that her son never came home.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it can make people anti war and stuff like that as well. I think we've discussed this before where, like, obviously, if we were, like, much smaller Communities and stuff like that. War would be less apparent because right now if you're, if you're a country of like say 60 million or whatever, you're a guy in an office, you'll fucking sign the order to go to war. You don't fucking care. You don't know the soldiers, you don't know their people. But whereas in a smaller community level, you, that that boy's mother, you have to go see her when you go to the shop every morning. You have to see your dad working behind the bar and everything. Basically, you are directly connected to the people whose lives you are affecting. That might make a person reflect and be a little bit more hesitant when making such drastic decisions. But see, because you're just not even a face to these people. They'll just say they don't give a. They don't give a. It's just amazing what it's like. This decision will result and killing tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands of people in a conflict. And we decided it in a day, probably a couple of hours. Was it half four on a Friday? Ah, fuck it. Just sign it. Yeah, and everything. And it's just, there's way too much of that. Everybody's too eager to just start swinging their deck around and drop bombs.

[A]

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[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

But that's kind of what they're pitched, I feel.

[B]

Yeah, I think is people think that, I don't know, maybe people have played too much civilization or crusader kings, you a country and just that's it. I mean, what was it? We took it. We. We took over Afghanistan in like what, three weeks, right? And then we had 20 years of hell from the natives and everything like that. Like, if you take over Iran, what do you think's going to happen, do you think? Like, you basically. And I think the only way you can get away with that is if the person in charge is just a horrible, horrible person. Like Iraq wasn't so bad because Saddam and especially his sons like Udi and Kusi, more. More so Uday more than anything else. But they were all horrible. They did terrible, terrible things. So basically the Iraqi people kind of went, you know what? Good, you take that deal. Damn good deal. So that's why the Iraqis were chill about it. All the other countries, a lot of people like the Taliban, a lot of people are fucking thrilled that the Taliban are back in charge of Afghanistan and they just wanted rid of the Americans. Like, it got to the point where when the Americans were doing the pull out, there was like an order that went among the Taliban. But I say, if you see a white person, don't fuck with them, don't shoot them, don't kidnap them, don't do any of that. Do not cause an incident. Offer them a lift to the airport, right? Get them the out and everyone. That was the order because they just had enough of it. And that's the thing is like the Taliban won. It was the modern day Vietnam, right? And it was, it was a massive embarrassment for America in a place that we should never have been in in the first place. I realized that people went in there looking for Osama bin Laden. They weren't even in there. He was in his house in Pakistan, right? Yeah. The entire thing was how much was the Afghan war a Trillion. I think it was literally a trillion.

[A]

Right. That's also interesting is Pakistan has had literally zero consequences for harboring bin Laden. No one brings up like, hey, these guys are our enemy. Because they have nukes. Because they got nukes, they know they're safe. And I also don't know if let's suppose magically somehow America conquers Iran and makes it a western style constitutional Republican. I don't think Pakistan is having that on their border. Just going to be like, oh, this is fine. You know, we're just all going to be friends here. It's it. It never. At a certain point you have to be like, you know what? This isn't our business. Let's mind our. You know, the very first penny from the 1700s, I have one in my bathroom hanging on the wall. You have to. When you close the. When you open the bath, close the bathroom door, you see it and you look close. You know what the motto was in the first penny? I'm not kidding. Mind your business.

[B]

I have heard of that. I have heard of that. Mind your business. Yeah.

[A]

And something different back then, meaning take care of your, you know what, your, your farm or whatever. But I like it. That was the motto. Mind your business. And I think you could use a lot more of that. How is the. Is. Is Kira being accused of being another Tony Blair? Because very famously people don't know Tony Blair was, even though he was labor, was besties with W. Bush during the Iraq war. And this costs labor enormously at the polls. And to my understanding, he's still very much hated for his role in that

[B]

situation left and right. Whenever Tony Blair comes up, there will be someone in the room who will instantly call him a war criminal. Doesn't matter. Left or right, people will call him a war criminal. And ever since then, Tony Blair has been the Phantom of the Opera for fucking British politics. He's always there pulling the strings, doing some shit. He's even grew his hair out so he looks like a fucking Bond villain. But that's about. I don't get. Literally no one likes him. I haven't met a single leftist or right winger that likes Tony Blair. I've genuinely never met a single one. But he's still there. He's still floating around. Kill Starmer. Wishes he was Tony Blair. Right. Kill Starmer. He just looks like a history teacher with some pending allegations. Right, that's. That. That is what he looks like and everything. And they just like he's just flubbed it because like, labor was supposed to be the party of the people and like, oh, we're here for the poor and working class. And the very first thing he did when he got any power was he cut down benefits for heating, for grannies just as winter was about to hit and everything. And that's what I mean, people get taken into the little back room and they get told, here's what you're gonna fucking do. Because you would think we're meant to be a left wing, soft socialist party. That's not something we would do.

[A]

And how much money and how much money are you saving anyway? This isn't balancing the budget well.

[B]

I mean, tons. If they freeze to death, that's going to free up the nhs.

[A]

Yeah, the Canadian.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. I love Canadian health care. Have you considered fucking dying? There's going to be a point where people are going to be taking. People are going to go like, I don't want an ambulance and I want. I literally have a better chance of living here on the curb with my leg wrapped around my head. They don't take me in there, they'll just put me down.

[A]

But what else is kind of. I'm excited. Not excited, maybe interested in. With British politics. In May, you're going to have the local elections. It looks very clear that labor is going to be completely decimated. The last elections, which were in 2025, reform came in first out of nowhere. Second were the Lib Dems. Third were the Tories. And labor, which has 400 out of 635 seats in the House, came in fourth, which was insane recently. And this is what's funny about Americans, when it's like, you know, all these Conservatives, like, I want to destroy the Democratic Party. It's like, let's suppose the Democratic Party were destroyed tomorrow. Do you think all those Democratic voters are going to be maga? No, they're going to become like Mamdani voters or Green Party voters. And when you saw this happen in the uk, there was a by election in a Labor, a stronger labor seat, and it was won by the first time winning a by election. The Green Party candidate, Hannah something, and she came in with a coalition of hardcore leftists and Muslims. So the alternative to Keir Starmer. So if Keir Starmer does badly, his party does badly in May. It looks like he may be driven out, but it's not like he's going to be driven out and Margaret Thatcher is going to be put in. He's going to be driven out. It's going to be like David Lammy or some really much worse person well, this was.

[B]

The thing about the last election is like, see, the reason Keir Starmer won is just because the Tories that basically it has been 5050 for ages. You've got labor versus as the Tories. We don't have a Uni party system, but we kind of have a soft. Not. Not Uni party. We have a soft bipartisan like where it was always either labor of the Tories, some, you know, the, the other guys are just there for a coalition when it's required. Right. But in the election where, sorry, I'm just waving my staff goodbye, they're going home. The labor didn't win the last election because they were really good and they won shit tons of voters over and everything. Literally just shit. Tons of Tory voters didn't leave the house. They were like, I am not voting for these fuckers that have completely us over for the millionth time, but I'm also not voting labor. So I'm just going to stay at home. I think we had like the turnout for that election was abysmal. Yeah, it was a really abysmal turnout for that election. And that was the only reason Labour won. Like they didn't win because they were better. They like, they won just because loads of people just decided to stay home because they were so black belt. And it was a case because it did get to the point where it was like labor and Tory. What's the difference? Is the exact same bloody thing. Essentially the like Tories, you know, do you want full blown like leftism hell, or do you want full blown leftism hell but a little bit slower? Yeah, man, I saw it. But now you're getting people that are flocking to the fucking Greens who are like the hyper communists that like are like unlimited million billion immigrants also. And also they're doing interviews about how they like to be nudists and set and chilling fields, like singing songs and playing guitar and everything like that. No, they're all weird. The green parts, like very famously. They're a big meme over here. They're like full blown tree hugging hippies and not even the cute kind like the weird ones. And have you ever done Ayahuasca in a waterfall? I think I should be in charge of like government bureaucracy and stuff like that.

[A]

By the way, wouldn't the Ayahuasca people be the Lib Dems?

[B]

I don't know, probably.

[A]

Actually, people are the privileged ones. The Lib Dems are the privileged lefties who were like, oh, I did Iowa and Costa Rica. You know what I learned Janitors are people too. It's like, great work, Tiffany. That's what I thought. The Lib Dem voter is, isn't it?

[B]

I'm really glad you found yourself.

[A]

Yeah, a lot of that here in Austin. We have a lot of here in Austin. It's like I found. I learned so much about myself. I'm actually a good person. You're not. You're not. You're not a person at all.

[B]

You've always been a bitch, Stacy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, whenever people. One, the reason I hate hyperbole in politics, like, oh, my God, you can't possibly do worse than Joe Biden. It's like, have you seen the Earth? Like, the idea that you can't get worse than Joe Biden or Keir Starmer. There are plenty of people right now that unite. We could even take terms naming that if they were the PM or the President, would be infinitely worse than Keir Starmer or Joe Biden, respectively.

[B]

Yeah. But the problem is, is the. For some reason, these are the people the parties are fucking putting forward. Just like absolutely absolute roasters that are just like. And it's even like. But the problem is, like, even Mamdani, he came in there really, like, he's batshit crazy. Things of like, I'm gonna put in rent controls. And it's like, oh, cool. It's not like we have a million examples of why that up every single time it's happened. And that thing is, it doesn't matter. At that point, you can shove evidence in people's faces. They're gonna be like, yeah, but you, like, eats with his hands and he's like, dead kill. I like him. Yeah, okay. That's a reason. You just don't get a vote. You don't get a vote anymore. Like, if you're gonna vote for. Based on dumb like that and everything. And it's just, yeah, we're gonna keep voting in like idiots. And the thing is, I've noticed that barely anything changes. There's like five different things that I feel that when the people get into the big chair, there's five different things that are allowed to change. Spending a little bit, immigration a little bit. Some stuff with schools and everything. And basically they've got a very tiny scope of things. They actually can change what's crazy here in the States.

[A]

It's much harder because I've been defending Trump in this regard. When people are like, why doesn't he put his MAGA agenda through Congress? He doesn't have control of the House. There's 217 House Republicans. You need 217 as a majority to pass. Massie is not a reliable vote. I don't blame him for not aligning with Trump. You don't have the numbers. There's only so much a president could do. But with Parliament and then you have the Supreme Court to worry about, you have the Senate to worry about. But Parliament is different. Parliament is basically all three branches. You have the justice system to some, sorry, the judiciary to some extent. But it's not like it is here. They much rarer strike down laws passed by the legislature. But the tories had what, 14 years. So all the crap that's going on in the UK it wasn't, you know, you can't put pin on labor. And you had Boris Johnson who was supposed to be the Conservative side of the Conservative Party. He's going to go over there and fix the mess the other guy did. It just kept getting. So are you guys effed?

[B]

Yeah, we are. We are going to be a little bit. Right. Because I do think the next election is going to be between reform and the Greens. The problem is there are a bunch of. Everyone's jaded with the Tories. Nobody likes the Tories anymore. The Tories aren't getting votes. But there is a bunch of right wing parties that are like reform is doing very well. Reform is doing very, very well. Despite the fact that they are just going to become Tories 2.0. They're going, oh yeah. See how those people that literally caused the migrant crisis and did absolutely nothing to solve these problems. Well, we're going to form a new party and then we're going to fill it with people from that party that caused the in the first place. It's just what the are you doing? What are you doing like you're just doing again. So that's why loads of people went, no, fuck this. Everybody flocked to Rupert Law. And Rupert Law I think is going to do a lot better than people think. Think because I think, see, because like that's the thing is even remember Nick Griffin from the bnp, British National Party way back in the day. He was our right wing guy. He was like our very right wing guy. But even he was very optics cucked. You know, he wouldn't talk too much. He would say about all. Lots of people have to go back but not too many, you know, like dancing around the subject. Whereas Rupert Law is unapologetic as like he, he posted a tweet which was a banger. He said I just had. I went some. I'm paraphrasing here, but it was like I just had some smelly, unwashed leftist accuse me of wanting to deport tens of thousands of people. I just want to say that that's not true. I'm going to deport way more than that. Yeah, right. And he's just so unapologetic. But I think it's at the point where no one back in the day wanted to say they were going to vote bnp. Remember the first election when it was called the Secret Trump voters. Nobody wanted to say, oh, I'm voting Trump. Everyone just didn't want an argument in the House, around the office. And they were. Everyone went, oh, Hillary, I'm gonna vote Hillary. And I don't like that. And that's why when the election happened, you had everybody freaking the out going, how the could this happen? And it was just because people didn't want to talk about it. So your numbers were skewed. Right? And I think. I think the same thing's going to happen with Rupert Law. I think he's actually doing a lot better than people are letting on. People just don't want to get fake fired from their jobs because they're voting for Nick Griffin 2.0.

[A]

But it's. It's also. But here's the tactical voting becomes an issue, right? Because if I don't want to, quote, unquote, waste my vote, if this guy doesn't chance of winning, but at the same time, if he does have, then it becomes really tricky. And you're seeing this on the left also. Like, am I going to split the vote between the reforms in green. Sorry, between labor and Greens and Lib Dems and allow Farage to get in. Of course, Farage, another Hitler, blah, blah, blah is the argument. So you're having this on both sides, which is historically unprecedented. If it become, I mean, go. I mean, God save the King, if it becomes between reform and Green. Because the Greens would have actually a significant shot of winning. You know, at that point. You'd have the BBC and the media, you know, trying to do what they can to tarnish Farage. Farage wouldn't do himself necessarily any favors because people on the right, we think he's too soft. And people on the left would think he's, you know, another literally a hyper, mega Hitler. Yeah, right. Hi, I'm Juliet Cowley, a retired FBI profiler and host of the true crime podcast the Real FBI Profilers. If you're fascinated with true crime and criminal profiling, then join us as we discuss real cases and examine the behavior exhibited before, during and after the commission of the crime.

[B]

You can listen to the consult wherever

[A]

you get your podcasts. It's as close as it gets to being in the room with the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit. Let's get back to the show. I don't want to sound like a hyperbolic boomer because, you know, you hear for them, every election is the end of America. But if you had a Green Parliament, the type of Green Party it is now for five years, I don't know how the UK would survive that.

[B]

I'd move abroad and take my kids with me. Green Party Labour, I could fucking tolerate. The Greens are loonies and it's by design. Yeah, but they're weird. The way they act and the stuff they want is just kind of weird. They're like proper hippy dippy, like weird tree hugging types that think that money just grows on trees and oh, you can just tax people into oblivion. It'll be, it'll be fine, man. Money's just property anyway. Like that, they're like that. They don't, they don't understand how the world truly works.

[A]

But there's, there's, it's even worse than that because people with that kind of like nature y ideology have very dubious ideas regarding children.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Because, you know, kids are natural and oh, no one's getting hurt and what's the big. You're just have this Victorian uptightness. Just relax. Like they have very weird things with kids and adult themes and adult situations because they don't see these boundaries as real. And they see it as just some kind of bizarre hyper religiosity or social conservatism. And you're acting like, you know, Ms. Grundy, whatever, it's, it's, there's a very, very dark undercurrent with this Andrea Dworkin, who was this hugely huge fat lesbian feminist who, you know, died. She was hilarious though. She tried to make feminism pornography to be a form of sexual harassment and ban it. But she never let Alan Ginsberg have a moment's peace. He's won the Beat generation. He wrote this poem called Howl and he had all sorts of dubious relationships with underage guys. And she was like, you don't get a pass just because your politics are in the right place. But when you talk about the hippies, the literal hippies in late 60s and summer of Love, a lot of that stuff was not clean and nice. That it's not just like 21 year olds, you know, getting on acid and having these four GS, it's, it creeps down. And that's the stuff they don't talk about.

[B]

I've had a theory about this for quite some time, especially when it comes to children have an agency in full bodily autonomy where it's like, oh, did you play with the Barbies? Let's get the scissors and this. And it's like our children can totally consent to having, you know, hormones and puberty blockers and having parts of their body cut off and Frisbee across the room, an 8 year old can totally consent to all that stuff. And then in my head I'm like, yeah, okay, and what else could they consent to. To do with their body? That's. I've thought for a good while that it's been a vehicle for that stuff.

[A]

It's clearly a via. It goes hand in hand. Also, the point is those, those surgeries are, are irreversible and screw the kid for life. And they're going to say, well, this is just one. Half an hour of touching he didn't like. That's their thing. They think that because no one is being forced. I'm using air quotes for those who are just listening and held down, therefore it's fine. And you and I who are listening this are the ones who have the problem and we just don't get it. And it's become more and more part of the undercurrent and the discourse. And the Labour Party, for all of its problems, there's at least a corporate element to that. They're the people in suits. They often come from business. You know, they have this kind of air of respectability. And from everything I've seen, and now, unfortunately, you validated my preconceptions. The Green Party are like, screw that. We're not trying to be dignified, we're trying to be good.

[B]

Yeah. Here's the Minister of War and it's some guy we dreads with like a mandala tattoo on his forehead who's like, I don't believe in deodorant. Like that's, that's what you're gonna get with the Greens. Like, I'm pretty sure the guy I. It. His name escapes me. The guy's in charge of the Greens. He recently was on stage. We have a bunch of half naked men around him dancing in chains. Yeah, apparently there's a video of that cutting around at one of these rallies. Again, the Greens are weird. The great. The Greens are like where a lot acoly. The antifa, happy dippy types where I Refuse to get a job. I refuse to get a job or do anything. Other people should serve me and like, work and pay my. My t. Pay so that I can claim that money and everything. Just lazy people that don't understand how the world works. Like, that's, that's what it is. You're basically getting dumb teenagers like that, but in adult form. And unfortunately they're in the voting block. And basically the, the current leftist options are so bad that people are now flocking to that.

[A]

And they're also open borders on principle. And that being British means someone who steps foot on British shores.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. You know, it's the same as if I take a. In the kitchen that doesn't make it food.

[A]

I'm not going to make a joke about British cuisine. And I know you're Scottish, not British.

[B]

No, don't worry about that. No, like, oh, let's go to that really cool new style Scottish restaurant said no one ever, man. Like, like, don't worry. We. I know it. We still eat like those planes flying overhead.

[A]

Wait, so let, let me ask you this. Scotch eggs, Thumbs up or thumbs down?

[B]

I don't like eggs.

[A]

No, but Scottish eggs, aren't those a thing?

[B]

Yeah, Scotch eggs, it's basically, it's a boiled egg with H. Meat and then butter.

[A]

Yeah. And then you fry it.

[B]

Yeah. You deep fry it? Yeah. Good or no, I've never had one because I don't like eggs. It's got a whole boiled egg inside it.

[A]

I know, but like, I would think at least once, you know, you try it.

[B]

No, I've never actually tried one, I'm afraid.

[A]

How are they still popular? Is this like an old people thing?

[B]

I think it's mostly like an old people thing. You don't really get them in restaurants. Haggis is something that's eaten. I eat haggis all the time.

[A]

Okay. Everyone I know says haggis is underrated, that it's actually pretty decent.

[B]

It does. The thing is, I've even had like when friends visit from America and stuff like that. I'm like, you need. I'm ordering haggis. You can try some. And they're always like, very tentative, but it's like, look, I'm not doing this as a prank. I'm eating this for my dinner. I like it. And then they try it and then I do see their eyes light up. Like, well, that's, that's really good, actually. And it's like, yeah, we're not tricking people. I know it sounds disgusting. It's genuinely Very, very good, isn't it?

[A]

Basically just a form of sausage.

[B]

It's the heart, lungs and liver of a sheep boiled in its own stomach. But it's got oats and spices and everything added in it as well. And like the texture, like the texture, you won't believe the texture. The texture is not what you think it is. It's almost kind of like eating ground beef.

[A]

Yeah, it's like.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I remember there was a restaurant in Toronto which is closed now, unfortunately, one of the best eating spirits of my life called the Black Hoof. And what they did. And maybe I got into this because I worked in a book called the Paleo Manifesto about the Paleo kind of lifestyle. And all they served, or what they were known for was organ meats, right? So you'd have a liver dish or there'd be a kidney dish. And it was, it was the point of the Paleo. People talk about this and RFK just got in trouble for pointing this out. A lot of these organ meats, which historically are people like, oh, that's gross. They're, they're, they're meant to be eaten. They're, they're meat and they're. If you prepare it well, it's actually delicious and fine. Just people don't know how to prepare well, maybe it's a little trickier and we have these kind of aversions to it. But if you sat down with someone who knows how to cook a kidney, you're not going to, you know, be like throwing up. You're going to be like, oh, this is legit.

[B]

Yeah. Steak and kidney pie is still a huge thing over here. People really like steak and kidney pie. We even have black pudding, which is essentially blood sausage.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Which is great. I eat black pudding all the time as well.

[A]

How so how serious are you in terms of. The jig is up. I gotta get out of Scotland.

[B]

I'm not gonna leave, like sort of just yet. I'm gonna see how it's going to go. But we are going to have like zero. This, this is the problem is, you know, whenever you've got like a bipartisan, it's usually 50 something percent of the country got what they wanted, they got what they voted for. CBRS the vote is so split between so many different parties that I think that there's going to be a winner based on them getting like 23, which, which means that only one in four people in the entire country got what they wanted. And even then they're not really, because again, they'll get pulled into the room as soon as they get in and all that, which is. And that's the hangers that's just going to ferment people to get even angrier and all that. And basically, I know this sounds bad, but, you know, I like a little bit of acceleration, as in me, like, I think people are going to start looking at this and go, this isn't what working for literally anyone, no matter who we put in the big chair. Things are just on a downward trajectory because none of these people that we're voting for are actually doing any of the things that we're telling them to do. Right.

[A]

Well, it's funny you just said that because. And I know, I apologize for bringing her up on your show. And in a Scottish context, do you know what the Tory slogan was in 1978?

[B]

No.

[A]

When Thatcher was head of the Conservatives, she sat down with Saatchi and Saatchi, which is still predominantly very predominant advertising agency, and all the billboards went up everywhere with people forming long queues. And it was the labor government at the time and the slogan just was, labor isn't working. And it was just like, we're not even saying anything that we're good. We're just saying, you just got to admit what's happening now sucks. And at that point, they're more than happy. Just vote for the alternative. But now you don't know what the alternative is. You have six parties to choose from in Scotland, five in Britain, and it's, it's going to be complete bedlam. And there's even a possibility, which would be hilarious to me statistically because I saw election forecast and the labor was in sixth, but because all the second tier are like four seats apart. But it could be that reform is the government and the Tories are the opposition, which would be hilarious to see.

[B]

Yeah, like I, I see the next election. I know I'm seeing loads of different figures and polls and stuff like that, but like, all of them are, they change every day. Because that's the thing is, like people around it, like, no one's even set in their decisions right now. It's like, I'm voting Greens the next day. That'll probably change. Everybody's wishy washy. So we're basically in like a time of like, like, especially in Britain, like massive political uncertainty. We're at the point where, I don't know if it's got to the point where everyone has spent so long not getting what they want that now no one knows what they want.

[A]

Right. Yeah.

[B]

Like, yeah, it's like, everyone's so confused when it's like, do you want the Tories or Reform or Restore or it even the Homeland Party? There's someone else that's on the scene now, even though they're like smaller players. It's like, do I want the Greens or the Labor? Well, they're all lunatics that I want the Lib Dems on our way. They're also lunatics. What the do I do? So I think next election we're going to see an even lower voter turnout. And we're also just going to see such a huge split. I think the next government is going to be a coalition. I think it is going to be a coalition. I just don't know between who. Because no one's going to have enough votes.

[A]

Yeah, because I have to sit there and think, let's suppose I'm a right of center voter. If I vote reform and it's being split between Restored and Conservatives, am I basically voting for Green? Right, That's. Or should I vote the Tories? Because historically they're the center right party. Because. And that's because it's a game theory. I have to wonder what everyone else is doing. If I'm a leftist, I'm like, okay, if I vote for Labor, Labor's on their way out. They're gonna. Last prediction had them losing 85% of their seats for 411 to 65. If I vote labor, does that mean I'm really putting in the Greens who are completely crazy and I'd rather have the Tories than the Greens? It's. And the other thing is when you have the vote split six ways and it's first past the post, which we don't have, which we don't really have here. We do to some extent, first past the post. People in America don't understand. It's whoever has the most votes wins. So or. So if someone has 30%, everyone else has 22 or 23, that 30% gets the seat. So if you just move up 1% nationally, disproportionately, you get 50 more seats because that 1% leapfrogs you ahead of everybody else. So prediction is almost impossible. At the same time, it's going to be very hard when you get in to be like, I've got a mandate. Because you just had 25% of the vote, like 75% of the country voted against you. You don't have a mandate. But then labor certainly is governing as if they have a mandate. They have enormous number of seats. I think he got a lower percent of the vote than Jeremy Corbyn when Boris Johnson blasted them to smithereens or similar percent at least.

[B]

Yeah, I'm, I'm usually pretty good at like calling these things and everything. Like, see, see like the last. Got like the last election being labeled. I saw that coming a mile away. Saw it coming a mile away, right? I was just like, the Tories have done a deplorable job. They've had four prime ministers in the space of like two years and everything. It's just, it's just terrible. And other than it was like. And, but see this one I did not expect. The Green Party surgeon. I know, right? I kind of, I kind of want to go like all my leftist friends, really them, like, dude, like, holy, those guys are maniacs. Like, don't vote for them. That thing is even back when I was like a bleeding heart liberal leftist and everything, I was. If, even if you asked me back then, I'd have been like, the Greens. No, they're bonkers, man. Like, no, I wouldn't vote for them. But now they are surging ahead in the polls and it's like, I realize you want a left wing government, but do you want it that bad?

[A]

And also, Ed Davies is perfectly fine in this context. He's saying like, like you have a perfectly sane alternative to labor already. And it's, it's like, holy. So wait, wait, so let me ask you this. So for people who are watching this, who are talking to a leftist friend, what would you have told your. Why back then would you regarded the Greens as kind of beyond the pale even if you were bleeding heart?

[B]

Right. It's because like whenever they talk, it's just Happy dippy. They don't really talk about policy or anything like that. They'll just say, save the trees, man. And to do that we're going to chop down a million trees and stack up wind farms. And it's like, what the. But dude, like none of that makes any sense. And it's basically, it's weird because they're wanting to do like all this like nature preservation stuff by destroying huge chunks of nature to make it happen. It's stuff like that. They do, they do. The Greens do not consider long term, they're not long term fighters. Yeah, they're very, they're very high time preference individuals. Right? Like that's just what they're like. They'll just go, oh, here's a thing. We promise we're going to deliver it and it will just cause like huge destruction. They they don't think long term. That's my biggest problem. They're very happy dippy and just sort of, oh, we'll worry about. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it, man. And it's kind of like there's no money in the pot. Their taxes are gone. Oh, it's fine. We're just going to tax the rich even more and oh, cool. Capital flight. Everybody's pulling the out. Like, they're all leaving and they're taking their taxes with them because you. Because that's what happened in Scotland, by the way. Scotland has the highest taxes in all of the uk Right. And all that happens is whenever any company wants to base themselves over in Britain, we don't get the factories, we don't get the plants, the manufacturing places. We don't get any of that, which means we don't get jobs. They all go down to England. That that's where they go because the taxis are cheaper.

[A]

Do you know what happened here in with New York State? Did you hear this much? Part of Kathy, who's the rich governor of New York, who took over when Cuomo was driven out of office during COVID She's like, if you're. I don't know what it was, but like, if you're a Trump or Republican or something like that, whatever the hate group was, get out of New York. You don't share our values. Like, screw you. It's like, okay. They're like, okay, your terms are acceptable. So everyone, especially the wealthy. It's a lot easier to move when you're rich than when you're poor.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And if you have two homes, you just got to fill out a form. Oh, now I'm a Florida resident. I didn't have to do anything. There was all this capital flight out of New York. And then recently she's like, you know, I would hope these patriots would come back to New York and help us out. It's like, hold on a minute. If I live in Florida or Texas, somehow I'm not a patriot. But if I live in New York and give you. And here's the other thing. All those New Yorkers living there, you could pay more tax voluntarily if you want. If you want to chip in, just send in more money. The irs, they'll be more than happy to take it. And it's just like, you cost this. And instead of like, looking back, be like, maybe I should make New York more hospitable to the people creating jobs and paying for that safety net which helps the poorest of the poor. It's like, no, I'm gonna insult you now. I'm gonna beg you. Sorry, lady, it's not happening. It's. Yes, and it's very. The thing is it's the working people who get the, who pay the price. Like you're saying. It's like there's less jobs for people in Scotland or New York respectively who are like, I just want to go to the factory, go to the office, whatever. Put my, my time and feed my family. It shouldn't be complicated.

[B]

Rich people in companies do not like financial uncertainty. They don't like it. Like you're, you're going to be a big risk to the company. You're going to like destroy. I've worked very hard to build this company from the ground up. Now that some loony fucking leftist is in, I am shutting them off season, pulling the fuck out because you're going to have me paying exorbitant taxes. You're gonna have to. Oh, the minimum wage is now $50 now actually. And every time they do that, every single mom and pop shop shuts the down. Every single time. Which in a weird way, the minimum wage increases serve the huge corporations.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Than anybody else. Because all the mom and pop, like all the mom and pop competition, they've just been btfoed, they've been up. It's the same reason that companies love government regulation especially. Or are you this type of company? Well, you know, need a license to do that thing. The license costs like $1 million by the way. Never mind about the 50, 60 grand in lawyers fees. You're going to big places like Google and all that. They've got that lined in the back of the couch. They don't give a fuck about that. That's nothing to them. They make that in two seconds. Right. And then, and then. But basically they're like, oh, we pay like what, a million a bunch in lawyers fees. A small price to pay to complet completely price out competition from ever appearing again. Stars they're happy to pay that money for they love regulation.

[A]

I pay this fee once. I don't have to have any competition in the market. That's a small price to pay for me, literally and figuratively.

[B]

That's a business investment. Yeah, that's a, that's a smart business investment at that point. I'll pay 10 million because we've now cornered the market completely. Thank you very much, government.

[A]

And here, here's another thing. If I've got a mil, if I've got, got 100,000 employees. It's really easy for me to be diverse, right? I could have one of this, one of that, one of this. I got a hundred thousand slots to fill. I can just have one of every kind. I don't know if you saw this. We're post farce at this point and post irony. They're rebooting Baywatch, and one of the people who auditioned for the new show was a girl in a wheelchair. So the things you and I, we're old men at this point. The things you and I thought were punchlines 10 years ago, it's just the norm. And, like, I don't even know where to make the jokes anymore. But. Yeah, but if I'm a mom and pop and I've got three employees, I'm not going to be able to be diverse. Oh, well, then you shouldn't have. You shouldn't have started your store to begin with. Like, that's just how. That's just one example.

[B]

No, it says, no. No one ever starts a business going, like, I'm gonna. Like most people you would think would say, I want to provide for my family and my kids and build up this business so that one day that my children will be able to inherit it. No one goes, I'm going to start a business because I want to hire black people. Just that, but nothing else.

[A]

All those store. This is one of the reasons I left New York. And I, I will never forgive these people. All those mom and pop shops, that sausage store which had been in Ben's nurse for 100 years, they did not survive, Covid. They couldn't go six months, eight months with paying rent, no income, and having. And. And no employees. Whereas Target or Google, whatever, these companies that could distribute the, the, the cost, they were fine. It was the biggest transfer of wealth from the middle class. Sorry, Concentration of wealth in American history. And it's completely unforgivable, especially compared to 2008, when there was the banking collapse and Main street had to bail out Wall Street. But when Main street was hit for no reason of their own as the bank, it was the Bank's fault. In 2020 and 2021, no one came to help them. It's like, sorry, this was your. This was your legacy to your grandkids. And now it's just going to be another, you know, diaper store. That's Target adjacent. Folks, head over to malice.locals.com where Dankula took questions from supporting listeners. You can join for just five bucks a month to send questions for the every guest. Best wishes for you and your family and your and your wonderful Scotland, which I root for on a constant basis. Dank. We're running out of time. What has and thank you so much for taking the time. What has been your favorite part of this interview?

[B]

I like the questions. I was hoping for more offensive ones though. More rude ones. Those are the fun ones. The ones that just say mean that you can have a laugh with and I want all the use need to start getting bolder. Start asking me weird stuff because I'll

[A]

answer it, I promise next time. You are welcome.

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