Carney pitches bail reform, PM says not time to hit U.S., lead in protein powders, and more

Summary

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Your World Tonight – CBC

Episode: Carney pitches bail reform, PM says not time to hit U.S., lead in protein powders, and more

Date: October 16, 2025
Hosts: Susan Bonner and Stephanie Skenderis

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Episode Overview

On this edition of Your World Tonight, CBC’s Susan Bonner breaks down major stories shaping Canada and the world. The episode’s primary focus is Prime Minister Mark Carney’s proposal for bail reform in response to rising concerns over violent repeat offenders. Other stories include Canada–U.S. trade tensions, indictments in the U.S. political scene, the latest on the war in Ukraine, a warning about lead in protein powders, humanitarian issues in Gaza, and a playoff win (and a turkey tale) by the Toronto Blue Jays.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

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1. Bail Reform and Crime Legislation in Canada

[00:25–07:40]

• Rising Concern Over Crime:
  Canadians are increasingly concerned about home invasions, car thefts, and violent repeat offenders. Communities want action.

  • “To be arrested and then ... out within two or three days to reoffend every time.” — Paul Hunter, [00:25]

• Prime Minister Carney Announces Reforms:

  • Carney unveils plans for stricter bail, promising “reverse onus” bail provisions; the accused must prove why they should be released, not vice versa.
    • “It will no longer be up to the crown to prove why someone should stay behind bars. It will be up to the accused to prove to the court why they can be trusted to be released.” — Mark Carney, [02:08]
  • Pledges to hire 1,000 more Mounties and target violent crimes such as carjackings, homicides, and sexual assault.

• Political Response:

  • Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre calls the proposal insufficient, pushing for his party’s tougher bill.
    • “It will be jail, not bail.” — Mark Carney (paraphrasing Conservative rhetoric), [03:08]
  • Critics question if planned reforms will hold up against Supreme Court challenges due to Charter of Rights issues.
    • “We have to move forward in a very considered way balancing… Canadians' important rights to be free pending charge.” — Mark Carney, [04:28]

• Victims’ Families React:

  • Families affected by repeat offenders express support for changing bail.
    • “If the system had done what it was supposed to do, Darian would be alive today.” — Paul Hunter, [05:21]

• Civil Liberties Concerns:

  • Shakir Rahim (Canadian Civil Liberties Association) warns that reversing the onus may erode the presumption of innocence:
    • “Instead of the state having to prove why you should be detained before your trial, you have to prove why you should be released based on an accusation.” — Shakir Rahim, [06:16]

• Risks of Overcrowded Jails:

  • Legal experts warn that more people denied bail could worsen overcrowding in remand facilities, with possible negative societal impacts.
    • “The concern is, if more people are denied bail, they're going to be kept in the remand population. And the remand facilities are already overcrowded.” — Philip Ly Shanock, [07:14]

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2. Canada–U.S. Trade Tensions and Political Pressures

[07:53–11:53]

• U.S. Trade Relations in Focus:

  • Prime Minister Carney is resisting calls for retaliation against the U.S. after Stellantis moved Jeep production from Brampton to Illinois, threatening 3,000 Canadian jobs.

    • “There’s times to hit back and there’s times to talk. And right now is the time to talk.” — Mark Carney, [09:13]

  • Ontario Premier Doug Ford wants a tougher response, even suggesting restricting energy exports.

    • “We know that our American friends are in desperate need of our energy, but I'm not going to give them energy if their president wants to destroy our economy.” — Doug Ford, [09:38]

• Political Fractures Among Canadian Leaders:

  • BC Premier David Eby and Western premiers voice frustrations over perceived lack of federal action on tariffs hurting their regions.
    • “When their jobs are threatened, it's treated as a national emergency, and rightly so.” — David Eby, [10:52]
  • Western provinces push to cut tariffs on Chinese electric vehicles in exchange for relief on agricultural exports.

• Negotiation Underway:

  • Carney emphasizes behind-the-scenes negotiations affecting major sectors: energy, aluminum, steel.

    • “We’re engaged in deep negotiations, intensive negotiations on several sectors of the Canadian economy.” — Mark Carney, [11:35]

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3. U.S. Political Indictments and Trump–Bolton Feud

[11:53–15:23]

• Former U.S. National Security Adviser Indicted:

  • John Bolton faces charges of mishandling classified information.
    • “Much like the charges against Trump … this case is about Bolton retaining sensitive materials from his time in government.” — Chris Reyes, [12:10]

• Politics of Prosecution:

  • The move fits a pattern of legal actions against figures critical of Trump, sparking concerns about politicization of the Justice Department.
    • “There have been warnings and concerns from Democrats … that he (Trump) might use the Department of Justice to prosecute his enemies.” — Chris Reyes, [14:16]
  • Attorney General Pam Bondi defends impartiality, but skepticism remains.

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4. Trump–Putin Diplomacy, Ukraine War Update

[15:25–17:59]

• New Summit on the Horizon:

  • Trump and Putin plan another meeting in Hungary to seek an end to the war in Ukraine. Trump expresses frustration at slow progress.
    • “We just had a call … with President Putin. I thought it was a very good call.” — Donald Trump, [16:04]
    • “I thought this would be very quick … Who would think I did Middle East before I did this?” — Donald Trump, [16:21]

• Challenges Ahead:

  • Ukrainian President Zelensky is expected at the White House the next day. The antagonism between Russia and Ukraine hampers direct negotiations, with Trump suggesting “something where we're separate but equal.” [17:08]

  • The choice of Hungary as a venue raises eyebrows due to its leadership’s close ties to both Trump and Putin.

    • “The people of Gaza need all the help they can get.” — Tom Perry, [20:36]

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5. Gaza Humanitarian Crisis and Aid Struggles

[18:05–20:54]

• Aid Still Desperately Needed:

  • Hundreds of thousands return home in Gaza as aid is trickling in, but crossings like Rafah remain closed for people and limited for supplies.

    • “Aid can never be a bargaining chip. That's not just me saying that. That's the rules. That's the law.” — Tom Fletcher, UN, [19:52]

  • UN and NGOs call for all crossings to be opened as malnourished children and lack of medicine persist.

    • “We're still seeing malnourished children in the clinic, children with diarrhea, with pneumonia, with skin infections.” — Rachel Cummings, Save the Children, [20:14]

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6. Lead Contamination in Protein Powders

[21:36–24:06]

• New Warnings on Popular Supplements:

  • Consumer Reports finds many protein powders contain dangerous levels of lead.

    • “Some of the products had more than 10 times the levels that our experts say is safe.” — Paris Martineau, Consumer Reports, [22:04]

  • University of Guelph food safety professor Lawrence Goodrich stresses:

    • “If you are regularly consuming these products and they contain lead, then that is building up in your body over time and that can lead to systemic problems such as in children, neurodevelopmental problems, in adults, cognitive decline, mood disorders, chronic kidney disease.” — Lawrence Goodrich, [22:42]

  • Plant-based powders are most at risk for contamination due to lead in soil.

    • “Unlike animals, plants cannot metabolically filter out the lead.” — Lawrence Goodrich, [23:12]

  • Brands push back against findings; Consumer Reports advises Canadians to research products and moderate consumption.

    • “If you're worried, have a little less.” — Mia Nikolaev, personal trainer, [23:53]

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7. Lighter Moments: Blue Jays Win & Thanksgiving Turkey Mishap

[24:06–25:28]

• Jays' Playoff Win:

  • Toronto secures a needed victory in Seattle.

• Broadcast Turkey Humour:

  • U.S. broadcasters make light of their “undercooked” Canadian Thanksgiving turkey in Toronto.
    • "That turkey looks a little pink to me." — Mark Carney (humor), [24:54]
    • “Joe Davis, best of luck … I just hope the tum tum is OK in a couple of hours.” — Susan Bonner, [25:02]
  • Follow-up: All is well—no food poisoning, only laughs.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• “To be arrested and then ... out within two or three days to reoffend every time.”
  — Paul Hunter (re: repeat offenders and bail), [00:25]

• “It will no longer be up to the crown to prove why someone should stay behind bars. It will be up to the accused to prove to the court why they can be trusted to be released.”
  — Prime Minister Mark Carney, [02:08]

• “If the system had done what it was supposed to do, Darian would be alive today.”
  — Paul Hunter (father of a victim), [05:21]

• “Instead of the state having to prove why you should be detained before your trial, you have to prove why you should be released based on an accusation.”
  — Shakir Rahim, Canadian Civil Liberties Association, [06:16]

• “There’s times to hit back and there’s times to talk. And right now is the time to talk.”
  — Mark Carney, on US–Canada trade, [09:13]

• “We’re engaged in deep negotiations, intensive negotiations on several sectors of the Canadian economy.”
  — Mark Carney, on trade strategy, [11:35]

• “Much like the charges against Trump … this case is about Bolton retaining sensitive materials from his time in government.”
  — Chris Reyes, [12:10]

• “Aid can never be a bargaining chip. That's not just me saying that. That's the rules. That's the law.”
  — Tom Fletcher, UN humanitarian official, [19:52]

• “Some of the products had more than 10 times the levels that our experts say is safe.”
  — Paris Martineau, Consumer Reports, [22:04]

• “That turkey looks a little pink to me.”
  — Mark Carney (lighthearted), [24:54]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Bail Reform Announcement & Debate: [00:25–07:40]
• Canada–US Trade Tensions: [07:53–11:53]
• U.S. Indictments – John Bolton: [11:53–15:23]
• Ukraine War Diplomacy: [15:25–17:59]
• Gaza Humanitarian Crisis: [18:05–20:54]
• Lead in Protein Powders: [21:36–24:06]
• Toronto Blue Jays Win & Thanksgiving Turkey Humour: [24:06–25:28]

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Tone and Style Reflected

The episode is characterized by clear, serious journalism, interspersed with moments of empathy for victims, balanced political analysis, and ends on a warm and playful note. The hosts maintain a thoughtful, Canadian perspective throughout, ensuring a sense of relevance and engagement for the national audience.

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For those catching up:
This episode brings you comprehensive, nuanced updates on Canada’s internal justice reforms, external trade battles, protein powder risks, humanitarian crises, and a few moments of levity in sports and turkey talk—a full serving of the major news and issues Canadians care about, all in under 26 minutes.

Transcript

[Susan Bonner]

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[Mark Carney]

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[Mark Carney]

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[Olivia Stefanovic]

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[Susan Bonner]

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[Tom Perry]

This is a CBC podcast.

[Paul Hunter]

You know, to be arrested and then first pretty serious stuff. And then you're out within two to three days to reoffend every time.

[Susan Bonner]

Crime, punishment and Politics. As Canadian communities struggle with home invasions, car thefts and repeat offenders, new federal legislation is proposing bail reform and stiffer sentences, a campaign promise that will need support in Parliament and possibly the Supreme Court. Welcome to youo World Tonight. I'm Susan Bonner. It is Thursday, October 16, just before 6pm Eastern. Eastern. Also on the podcast we can make.

[Mark Carney]

It better and so we will do everything we can to make it better. There's times to hit back and there's times to talk. And right now is the time to talk.

[Susan Bonner]

Facing provincial pressure to hit the United States back, Prime Minister Mark Carney wants to keep the dialogue going. Choosing not to escalate the trade conflict with Washington while trying to manage competing interests on this side of the border. The Prime Minister says it's about tougher laws and safer streets. Mark Carney today revealed his government's plan to change the criminal code legislation that won't be tabled until next week. But already critics and opposition parties are taking aim. Olivia Stefanovic begins our coverage.

[Mark Carney]

Canadians deserve to feel safe in their community to know that their homes are secure.

[Olivia Stefanovic]

Against a backdrop of RCMP officers donning their grey duty uniforms in Toronto, Prime Minister Mark Carney announced his government's long awaited plan to crack down on crime.

[Mark Carney]

With so called reverse onus bail. It will no longer be up to the crown to prove why someone should stay behind bars. It will be up to the accused to prove to the court why they can be trusted to be released.

[Olivia Stefanovic]

A promise made months ago on the federal election campaign trail. With a new justice bill scheduled to be tabled in Parliament next week, we.

[Mark Carney]

Are delivering the change to keep violent repeat offenders off our streets.

[Olivia Stefanovic]

The proposed legislation would allow consecutive sentencing for those offenders accused of serious crimes, including violent auto theft, human trafficking and sexual assault, along with a pledge to hire 1,000 more Mounties.

[Mark Carney]

We are going to scrap liberal bail, scrap liberal parole.

[Olivia Stefanovic]

Conservative leader Pierre Poliev is dismissing Carney's proposed changes, urging the federal government to pass his party's private members bill on bail reform instead.

[Mark Carney]

It will be jail, not Bail.

[Olivia Stefanovic]

The changes Carney is proposing come after the Conservatives upset the Liberals in the vote. Rich905 an area surrounding Toronto that's seeing a significant increase in violent crime. Carjackings, homicide, shootings. Even though Statistics Canada says crime is decreasing overall in most other parts of the country.

[Mark Carney]

There has to be consequences when you do violent crimes.

[Olivia Stefanovic]

The federal government is also under pressure from Ontario Premier Doug Ford and other provincial leaders along with mayors and police services to reform the bail system.

[Mark Carney]

We need mandatory sentences so when, when a criminal goes in with a gun, you know you're doing X amount of years, whatever it is, 10 years.

[Olivia Stefanovic]

Carney's announcement did not include mandatory sentences and it isn't clear if the bill could withstand a legal challenge since the Supreme Court of Canada struck down consecutive periods of parole. Ineligibility.

[Mark Carney]

I think one of the primary responsibilities we have as members of Parliament is to make sure that laws that we pass do conform to our charter and our constitution.

[Olivia Stefanovic]

Don Davies is the interim leader of the federal ndp. He says New Democrats are waiting to see the text of the bill before formulating a position.

[Mark Carney]

We have to move forward in a very considered way balancing again Canadians important rights to be free pending charge. You know you can't just be throwing people in jail pending the outcome of their, of their trials.

[Olivia Stefanovic]

The previous Liberal government made bail less onerous in an attempt to address the over incarceration of black and indigenous offenders. Now it's become the latest Trudeau era policy to be put on the chopping block. Olivia Stefanovic, CBC News, Ottawa.

[Philip Ly Shanock]

I'm Philip Ly Shanock in Toronto where those whose lives have been upended by repeat criminal offenders are applauding some of the proposed changes. Paul Henderson and Flo Bellman say reversing the onus to grant bail to require people charged with serious crimes to, to justify why they should be released pending trial could have saved their daughter's life.

[Paul Hunter]

You know, full and I believe that if the system had done what it was supposed to do, Darian would be alive today.

[Philip Ly Shanock]

25 year old Darian Henderson Bellman was shot and killed allegedly by her boyfriend who was out on bail facing multiple weapons charges, you know, to be arrested.

[Paul Hunter]

And then for pretty serious stuff and then you're out within two to three days to reoffend every time. They allowed him out several times with.

[Olivia Stefanovic]

A gun on bail.

[Philip Ly Shanock]

The couple lobbied for changes to the bail system. The Liberals legislation expected next week will make it harder for people accused of serious crimes to stay out of jail while awaiting trial.

[Mark Carney]

Bail is really the safeguard of liberty for the innocent.

[Philip Ly Shanock]

Shakir Rahim is the director of the Criminal justice program for the Canadian Civil Liberties Association. He says all accused are presum innocent before proven guilty.

[Mark Carney]

Instead of the state having to prove why you should be detained before your trial, you have to prove why you should be released based on an accusation.

[Philip Ly Shanock]

Riz Arshad's 21 year old son Gabriel was critically injured in a Brampton crash allegedly caused by a five time repeat impaired driver who was released on bail. He says bail requirements should consider if it's your first offense, and I get.

[Mark Carney]

It, they should have that chance for bail and be able to prove their innocence. But if somebody is an habitual criminal and they've got many priors, then take them for what they're telling us, that they are a criminal and they have, they need help.

[Philip Ly Shanock]

If passed, the legislation would also amend the criminal code to end conditional sentences for some crimes and allow for longer sentences for others. Michelle Johal of the Criminal Lawyers association says that and tightening bail requirements will have consequences.

[Alison Northcott]

And of course, the concern is if more people are denied bail, they're going.

[Mark Carney]

To be kept in the remand population.

[Kate McKenna]

And the remand facilities are already overcrowded.

[Philip Ly Shanock]

STATS Canada says there is no data on how many people allegedly committed new offenses or what kinds of offenses were committed while out on bail. Philip is Shannock, CBC News, Toronto hockey.

[Susan Bonner]

Goaltender Carter Hart has signed a professional tryout contract with the Vegas golden knights. Hart and four teammates on Canada's 2018 world junior team were found not guilty of sexual assault in July. He's the first of the group to rejoin an NHL team since the acquittal. Hart and the others are able to sign contracts with NHL teams but cannot play in games until December 1st. Coming right up, resisting pressure to retaliate, Prime Minister Mark Carney says he wants to keep talking trade with the United States. And Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin are planning another meeting aimed at ending the war in Ukraine. Later, we'll have this story.

[Alison Northcott]

Some people take them every day, often as part of a health and fitness routine. But a new investigation found some protein powders contain potentially harmful amounts of lead.

[Olivia Stefanovic]

Some of the products had more than 10 times the levels that our experts say is safe.

[Alison Northcott]

I'm Alison Northcott in Montreal. Later on youn World tonight, I'll tell you what the risks are and what experts say you can do to protect yourself.

[Susan Bonner]

Prime Minister Mark Carney says trade talks with the United States are going in the right direction and for now he's holding off on any more retaliatory measures. But just days after Canada's auto sector was slammed with more bad news, some Canadian leaders want to see a tougher approach. From Ottawa, Kate McKenna reports.

[Mark Carney]

There's times to hit back and there's times to talk. And right now is the time to talk.

[Kate McKenna]

Prime Minister Mark Carney is pushing back against hitting back. It's in response to calls from Ontario Premier Doug Ford for Canada to retaliate against the United States following the automaker Stellantis decision to move Jeep production from Brampton to Illinois. With 3,000 auto jobs on the line, Ford threatened to cut off or limit energy sales to the United States.

[Mark Carney]

We know that our American friends are in desperate need of our energy, but I'm not going to give them energy.

[Paul Hunter]

If their president wants to destroy our economy. Take every single job out of Ontario, out of Canada.

[Kate McKenna]

Before Carney met with Ford today, the Prime Minister sought to underscore instead what the two leaders have in common.

[Mark Carney]

Premier Ford and I are both interested in results for, in my case, for workers and families across Canada, of course, in his case for the province of.

[Kate McKenna]

Ontario, this schism comes as cracks in Team Canada begin to emerge. Over the summer, the premiers expressed total confidence in the Prime Minister's ability to take on the US Administration. But now the groundswell to get tougher on trade grows as anxiety plays out across the country. And premiers, sensitive to their own workers and their own economies, are demanding to be the priorities in trade talks.

[Mark Carney]

And what we're asking for today is.

[Tom Perry]

That that same respect, that that same.

[Mark Carney]

Concern, that same sense of emergency is.

[Tom Perry]

Shared for the forest sector in this country.

[Kate McKenna]

British Columbia Premier David Eby says lumber tariffs, now at 45%, aren't getting the same attention as the auto sector.

[Tom Perry]

When their jobs are threatened, it's treated as a national emergency, and rightly so.

[Kate McKenna]

Meanwhile, premiers like Manitoba's Wab Kanu and Saskatchewan's Scott Mo say Canada should lift tariffs on Chinese electric vehicles. So China drops the canola tariffs, hurting Western farmers. Ford disagrees as he strives to protect and grow his province's automaking sector. Today, Alberta Premier Danielle Smith sided with her Western colleagues. I do tend to side a little.

[Philip Ly Shanock]

Bit more with Wab Kanu and with.

[Tom Perry]

Scott Mo when it comes to our approach with China.

[Alison Northcott]

We.

[Susan Bonner]

Let's face it, we don't have an.

[Kate McKenna]

Electric vehicle industry here. All of this is playing out as top Canadian officials are still in Washington, locked in negotiations over a new trade deal.

[Mark Carney]

We're engaged in deep negotiations, intensive negotiations on several sectors of the Canadian economy. Energy, aluminum and the steel sector.

[Kate McKenna]

Carney finds himself managing a cast of characters with competing interests on both sides of the border. Kate McKenna, CBC News, Ottawa.

[Susan Bonner]

A grand jury has indicted U.S. president Donald Trump's former national security adviser. John Bolton is accused of mishandling classified documents. He has long been targeted by Trump. Chris Reyes is watching this story for us. Chris, what do we know about the charges?

[Chris Reyes]

Hi, Susan. Well, according to court records, these charges have to do with the transmission of national defense information, retention of national defense information, and as you said, mishandling of classified information. Just to give some background, back in August, the FBI searched Bolton's Maryland home and Washington office. Agents said that they seized documents marked classified, confidential and secret. Now, much like the charges against Trump and the investigation into President Biden, this case is about Bolton retaining sensitive materials from his time in government. Remember, back in 2023, President Trump was charged under this same law for allegedly killing, keeping and refusing to return classified national defense documents found at Mar A Lago. Now, following that August search, Bolton's lawyers said that the seized documents were cleared in pre publication reviews and many were decades old.

[Susan Bonner]

Chris, Donald Trump has had a lot to say publicly about John Bolton and how he feels about him. Why was he so keen to have him charged?

[Chris Reyes]

Trump during his campaign, in broader terms, Susan repeatedly made veiled and some not so veiled threats against his so called enemies. Where Bolton falls into that is that he served under the first Trump administration for two years. They had a falling out on foreign policy matters, including on Iran and North Korea. And then Bolton became a very vocal critic of the president. In his memoir, Bolton said that Trump was unfit to be in that position. Now, this news, Susan, broke as Trump was in a Q and A in the Oval Office. And when asked about it, Trump said that he didn't know about the indictment and then added that he thinks that Bolton is a bad person. And in the president's exact words, he's a bad guy.

[Susan Bonner]

And this is the third time in the past three weeks that the US Justice Department has indicted one of the President's targeted critics. What kind of reaction has there been to that?

[Chris Reyes]

That's right. Let me just talk about those, those other two. New York Attorney General Letitia James was just indicted on fraud charges. She brought and won the case against Trump's business practices in New York, though it was later overthrown. And then former FBI Director James Comey was indicted on charges including making false statements. Now, he oversaw the probe into Russian election interference back in the 2016 campaign. There have been warnings and concerns from Democrats and critics of the president that once elected in this second term, he might use the Department of Justice to prosecute his enemies. In fact, this issue was a major focus of the grilling that Attorney General Pam Bondi got during her confirmation hearing. And in those hearings, she said that there will never be an enemies list within the Department of Justice, that she will not politicize this office and that she would not target people simply because of their political affiliation. As you can imagine, with yet another indictment, the concerns are growing that that's not the case.

[Susan Bonner]

Thank you, Chris.

[Chris Reyes]

Thank you so much.

[Susan Bonner]

That's Chris Reyes in New York. There is a new push from US President Donald Trump to end the war in Ukraine and it includes a plan for another in person meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin. The two leaders spoke on the phone today. Ukraine's president is expected at the White House tomorrow. Paul Hunter reports.

[Paul Hunter]

Nice to be with you.

Almost exactly two months after US President Donald Trump sat down with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Alaska, a summit Trump said was aimed at finding peace in Ukraine. Today, a follow up phone call between the two.

We just had a call, as you know, with President Putin. I thought it was a very good call.

So Trump is believed to be fighting, frustrated that ending the war has proven elusive. Russia attacked Ukraine in 2022. And though Trump has often said he could end it quickly, the fighting rages on.

We think we're going to get, we hope we're going to get it stopped. I thought this would be very quick and it's turned out to be. Who would think I did Middle east before I did this?

Trump announcing he and Putin will soon now sit down for another face to face in Hungary, as Trump put it in a truth social posting, to see if we can bring this inglorious war to an end. Trump also announcing today meetings now set for next week between us and Russian officials ahead of the sit down with Putin. All of it just a day before Trump meets with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky at the White House. On the agenda with Zelensky said Trump to talk about his call today with Putin. Will Putin and Zelensky ever sit down for talks?

I mean, we have a problem. They don't get along too well, those two. And it's sometimes tough to have meetings. So we may do something where we're separate but separate but equal. This is a terrible relationship the two of them have. And it's one of those things.

The location of the meeting, Hungary under Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has raised some eyebrows both Trump and Putin on good terms with Orban. But Zelensky has lately accused Hungarian drones of crossing into Ukraine, Orban then replying, ukraine is not a sovereign state. Can progress now be made? Said White House press secretary Caroline Levitt.

[Chris Reyes]

I think the president is always willing to take a chance at diplomacy and.

[Alison Northcott]

This war, he has always said, is.

[Chris Reyes]

Going to have to end at the negotiating table. And so he's, you know, he never.

[Alison Northcott]

Gives up and he's willing to pursue it.

[Paul Hunter]

Added Trump, in his words, I'll get it stopped. Pole Hunter, CBC News, Washington.

[Susan Bonner]

The UN's head of humanitarian affairs says Gaza needs more aid urgently. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have returned to their homes in recent days, and many need food, medicine and other vital supplies. But a key border crossing with Egypt remains closed. Tom Perry has that story.

[Tom Perry]

At Nasser Hospital in Gaza, Ibrahim Kalub sits beside a bed where his son, 18 year old Hassan, lies motionless, his body thin, his eyes covered with bandages. Hassan suffered a gunshot wound more than two months ago while out seeking food. His father says he needs to see a specialist on the other side of the Rafah crossing in Egypt. If the crossing doesn't open and he can't go abroad for treatment, I'll lose him, he says. Israel says it's preparing to open Rafah and allow people to pass through. Israel's foreign minister has been quoted as saying that could happen as early as Sunday. But Israel, which is furious with Hamas over its failure to return the remains of all Israeli hostages from Gaza, insists humanitarian aid will not be allowed through Rafah, arguing that was never agreed to in the ceasefire deal. Aid trucks have been entering Gaza through other checkpoints points, and humanitarian agencies say they are making progress, reestablishing a network of food distribution points. Tom Fletcher, the UN's Under Secretary General for humanitarian affairs, visited Rafah today and says all crossings into Gaza need to open so more aid can flow through. We want to see Rafa open. We want to see all the crossings open. You know, aid can never be a, a bargaining chip. That's not just me saying that. That's, that's the rules. That's the law inside Gaza, Rachel Cummings says she's cautiously optimistic after seeing truckloads of aid finally arriving. Cummings is with Save the Children working in central Gaza. Food, fuel and medicine are getting in, she says, but it's still not enough.

[Susan Bonner]

The needs of children haven't changed since the announcement of a ceasefire. We're still seeing malnourished children in the.

[Mark Carney]

Clinic, children with diarrhea, with pneumonia, with skin infections.

[Susan Bonner]

What we need to be able to support children to alleviate the suffering is the humanitarian supplies and the way to.

[Mark Carney]

Do that the most efficiently is to.

[Susan Bonner]

Open all land crossings into Gaza.

[Tom Perry]

Cummings says after two years of war, people in Gaza are exhausted. The scale of destruction in the territory, she says, is extraordinary. The people of Gaza need all the help they can get. Tom Perry, CBC News, Cairo.

[Susan Bonner]

This is yous World Tonight from CBC News. If you want to make sure you stay up to date date and never miss one of our episodes, follow us on Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your podcasts, just find the follow button and lock us in. Many people take them for health reasons or to bulk up, but there are new warnings about protein powders and potentially harmful heavy metal. After testing nearly two dozen products, experts found several of them exceeded the safe limits of lead. Alison Northcott breaks down the findings and the safety risks. It's a great way to supplement additional.

[Alison Northcott]

Protein in your diet, strength and conditioning coach Mia Nikolaev at Back Alley Barbell in Toronto says a lot of her clients use protein powders regularly.

[Susan Bonner]

It is quite often hand in hand with strength based training, fitness training.

[Alison Northcott]

But an investigation by the nonprofit organization consumer reports tested 23 protein powders in the US and found two thirds contained more lead in a single serv. Their food safety experts say is safe to consume in a day.

[Olivia Stefanovic]

And some of the products had more than 10 times the levels that our experts say is safe.

[Alison Northcott]

Paris Martineau is an investigative journalist at Consumer Reports in New York.

[Olivia Stefanovic]

There are a couple that had really concerning levels of lead and those our experts say, hey, we think you should kind of just avoid taking these altogether. There are others we recommend kind of limiting your usage and there are others that seem fine to take daily. And even when we found no lead.

[Alison Northcott]

In while Consumer Reports experts say people should not consume more than 0.5 micrograms of lead per day, food safety professor Lawrence Goodrich at the University of Guelph in Ontario says no amount of lead is safe to consume.

[Mark Carney]

If you are regularly consuming these products and they contain lead, then that is building up in your body over time and that can lead to systemic problems such as in children, neurodevelopmental problems in adults, cognitive decline, mood disorders, chronic kidney disease and even the report found plant.

[Alison Northcott]

Based protein powders were among those with the most lead, in part because plants can be contaminated by the soil or air while they're growing, says Goodrich.

[Mark Carney]

Unlike animals, plants cannot metabolically filter out the lead.

[Alison Northcott]

Some of the companies named by Consumer Reports pushed back against the findings. One brand, Huel called the report alarmist and said its own independent tests show its products meet globally recognized food safety standards. Naked Nutrition said its vegan mass gainer product has a larger serving size than most protein powders and the data does not provide an accurate apples to apples comparison. Some of the products tested are available for Canadians to purchase online. Neither Health Canada nor the Canadian Food Inspection Agency answered our questions by deadline. Back at the gym, Nikolaev says it's all about moderation.

[Kate McKenna]

If you're worried, have a little less.

[Alison Northcott]

Consumer Reports suggest Before buying or consuming a protein powder, do some research to find out exactly what might be in it. Alison Northcott, CBC News, Montreal.

[Susan Bonner]

We close tonight with the Toronto Blue Jays and another kind of bird that was feeling the heat. Or maybe not enough of it.

[Tom Perry]

Way back into the seats. Fifth home run of the night for the Blue Jays. It's 13.

[Susan Bonner]

The Jays had a much needed playoff win in Seattle, but the team and their fans weren't the only ones feeling relief last night. Earlier in the series on Thanksgiving Monday, the American broadcast team from Fox Sports celebrated that holiday on the air.

[Mark Carney]

Canadian Thanksgiving, we gotta celebrate accordingly. Do we have a plate?

[Tom Perry]

I don't want to use my score sheet.

[Susan Bonner]

Commentators Joe Davis and John Smoltz enjoying a turkey dinner in Toronto. But later, the studio crew went to the video review and thought the butterball their colleagues had eaten looked foul.

[Mark Carney]

That turkey looks a little pink to me.

[Tom Perry]

Salmonella poisoning.

[Paul Hunter]

They pulled that turkey out of the oven a little.

[Alison Northcott]

Joe Davis, best of luck.

[Tom Perry]

You did a great job with the game.

[Susan Bonner]

I just hope the Tum tum is.

[Mark Carney]

Okay in a couple of hours.

[Philip Ly Shanock]

Boy.

[Susan Bonner]

Just like the Blue Jays, the Fox Sports team bounced back for the game last night, reassuring everyone their Canadian Thanksgiving turkey was cooked to perfection.

[Paul Hunter]

And guys, the turkey might have been a little bit pink, but it might.

[Tom Perry]

Have been a smoked turkey.

[Philip Ly Shanock]

And that could have been a smoke ring.

[Tom Perry]

That's correct.

[Mark Carney]

We're all feeling just fine. That's correct.

[Susan Bonner]

There will likely be some queasiness across Canada tonight with nervous Jays fans watching another crucial game and hoping their team isn't cooked. Thank you for joining us. This has been youn World Tonight for Thursday, October 16th. I'm Susan Bonar. Talk to you again.

[Philip Ly Shanock]

Foreign.

[Paul Hunter]

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