Church attack in Michigan, India stampede, Orange shirt appropriation, and more

Summary

Podcast Summary: Your World Tonight (CBC)

Episode Date: September 28, 2025
Host: Kate McGillivray
Main Themes: Canada Post at a crossroads; Michigan church attack; India political rally stampede; Orange Shirt Day appropriation; Canadian rural economy & trade; Quebec police shooting protest; Canada's daycare conundrum; Ontario apple thefts; Western Canadian music highlights.

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Episode Overview

This episode brings together major national and international news stories, each unpacked with relevant context, analysis, and on-the-ground reporting. The running thread is the tension between longstanding institutions/traditions and disruption—from public service strikes and tragic violence, to cultural appropriation and the pressures facing rural businesses.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

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1. Canada Post Strike & Service Cuts

[00:43 - 04:31]

• Context: 55,000 Canada Post workers are striking in opposition to federal overhaul plans, which include relaxed delivery standards, the end of door-to-door delivery, and closure of some rural post offices.
• Union’s Stand: The union insists the government’s austerity measures threaten the future of public service and jobs.
  • Quote:
    “It’s just death by a thousand cuts. They will crush Canada Post and its management and the government doing it. ... If you try to make a profit on a public service, you’re going to fail.”
    – Jim Gallant, CUPW negotiator [03:12]
• Effects on Small Business: Entrepreneurs reliant on mail are losing out during the stoppage.
  • Quote:
    “Small businesses like ours across Canada... it’s frustrating.”
    – James, model train retailer [02:21, 02:33]
• Government View: Canada Post is deeply in the red and needs to slim down to survive.
  • Quote:
    “Are we going to be a leaner organization going forward? Absolutely. Top to bottom, management included.”
    – John Hamilton, Canada Post spokesperson [04:01]

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2. Grand Blanc, Michigan Church Attack

[04:31 - 07:06]

• Incident: A gunman drove a truck into a packed Mormon church during Sunday service, opened fire with an automatic rifle, set the building on fire. Two killed, eight injured.
• Police Response: Swift arrival and neutralization of the shooter, identified as Thomas Jacob Sanford.
• No Motive Yet: Bomb squad involved to check for further threats.
• Political & Social Context: Reaction from President Donald Trump who called it a targeted attack on Christians and linked the event to a perceived epidemic of violence.
  • Quote:
    “The epidemic of violence in our country must end immediately.”
    – President Donald Trump [06:19]
• Link to Broader U.S. Tensions: Discussion includes recent politically motivated killings and attacks on places of worship.

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3. India Political Rally Stampede

[07:10 - 10:56]

• Tragedy: Crowd crush at a Tamil Nadu political rally led by actor-turned-politician Vijay. Dozens dead, including children, many more injured.
• Witness Accounts: Grief from onlookers and families featured.
  • Quote:
    “My brother’s two boys are at the rally. His older son passed away. What should I do?”
    – Grieving relative [09:02]
• Causes: Overcrowding, heat, logistical failures—criticism towards organizers for holding the event in a space ill-suited for the crowds.
  • Quote:
    “Letting the rally take place here was the worst decision... there was nowhere to go to get out.”
    – Local woman [10:19]
• Legal Response: Police have opened a case against key party members as investigations begin.

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4. Quebec Police Shooting Protest

[10:56 - 14:18]

• Incident: 15-year-old Nouran Rezai fatally shot by police in Longueuil; circumstances under investigation.
• Protest Demands: Justice for Rezai, call for police body cameras in Quebec (already standard elsewhere in Canada).
  • Quote:
    “I do believe the police should have body cams, but I also believe ordinary citizens should film the police… People should be documenting what’s going on.”
    – Protester [12:15]
• Incident Details: 911 call described a large, armed group; only firearm found was officer’s.

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5. Orange Shirt Day Appropriation

[14:22 - 18:01]

• What’s Happening: Businesses exploit Orange Shirt Day (Every Child Matters), selling unauthorized or misleading merchandise, sometimes profiting without supporting the intended cause.
• Origin: Phyllis Webstad’s story as a residential school survivor formed the emotional core of Orange Shirt Day.
• Response: The Orange Shirt Society finally achieved a trademark on “Every Child Matters” to combat misappropriation.
  • Quote:
    “I once did a 10 minute search on the Internet and I found 10 countries selling Orange Shirt Day, Every Child Matters shirts and other merchandise as well.”
    – Juanita Taylor [15:55] “It’s maddening to see that happening.”
    – Phyllis Webstad [16:32]
• Community Focus: Some, like retailer Jana Pacey, work with Indigenous artists and keep profits within the cause.

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6. Steinbach, Manitoba: Trade Pressures & Economic Adaptation

[18:15 - 21:46]

• Local Snapshot: Growing, immigrant-driven city reliant on manufacturing and agriculture, with big exposure to U.S. trade trends.
• Business Perspective: Companies face higher input costs due to tariffs; agriculture is vulnerable to price swings.
  • Quote:
    “We are looking to really simplify our supply chain, make it more resilient... to withstand any unexpected changes.”
    – Neil Fast, Lowen Windows [19:20] “It’s a huge factor because it makes it difficult to plan for next month, let alone next year or for the next generation...”
    – Marg Rempel, farmer [20:37]
• Optimism Amid Uncertainty: Proactive investment, search for new partners, positive community outlook.
  • Quote:
    “We are by nature tenaciously optimistic.”
    – Marg Rempel [21:42]

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7. Canada’s Daycare Challenge – Lessons from Abroad

[22:02 - 25:04]

• Current Status: Despite ambitious promises, Canada’s daycare system lags behind Denmark’s universal, quality offering.
• International Comparisons:
  • Denmark: Heavily-subsidized, high-quality, easy access, proven long-term educational and economic benefits.
  • Australia: Cautionary tale—childcare dominated by private, for-profit providers, government subsidies driving up fees but not improving quality.
    • Quote:
      “Every time the government has made an investment in the child care subsidy... providers have just put up their fees.”
      – Georgie Dent, The Parenthood [23:56]
• Advocacy: Canadian experts urge a shift to public delivery.
  • Quote:
    “A publicly delivered system is better for quality, better for children, better for families and provides much better economic returns.”
    – Morna Ballantine, Child Care Now [24:51]
• Political Will Required: Progress is incremental, dependent on government commitment.

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8. Ontario Apple Orchard Theft

[25:24 - 27:51]

• Problem: Pick-your-own orchards near Kitchener plagued by large-scale apple theft, sometimes facilitated by strollers and backpacks.
• Farmers’ Response: Stricter policies, including banning such items, are being introduced—though some fear it reduces the family experience.
  • Quote:
    “If everyone was stealing from us, we certainly would shut down tomorrow.”
    – Tim Hsu, orchard owner [26:35]
• Sector Trend: Security costs are up, and some consider shutting down the public-picking model altogether if theft continues to rise.

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9. Western Canadian Music Festival Wraps Up

[27:51 - End]

• Celebration: Highlights from Breakout West in Winnipeg, including Jade Turner (Country Artist of the Year), Snotty Nose Rez Kids (Hip Hop), and Chantal Kreviazuk’s induction to the Music Hall of Fame.

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Notable Quotes

• Canada Post Union:
  “It’s just death by a thousand cuts. ... If you try to make a profit on a public service, you’re going to fail.”
  – Jim Gallant [03:12]
• Church Attack Response:
  “The epidemic of violence in our country must end immediately.”
  – Pres. Donald Trump [06:19]
• Rally Tragedy Outcry:
  “Letting the rally take place here was the worst decision... there was nowhere to go to get out.”
  – Local woman [10:19]
• Childcare Comparison:
  “A publicly delivered system is better... and provides much better economic returns.”
  – Morna Ballantine [24:51]
• Orchard Theft:
  “If everyone was stealing from us, we certainly would shut down tomorrow.”
  – Tim Hsu [26:35]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Canada Post Strike & Cuts: 00:43 – 04:31
• Michigan Church Attack: 04:31 – 07:06
• India Rally Stampede: 07:10 – 10:56
• Quebec Police Shooting Protest: 10:56 – 14:18
• Orange Shirt Day Appropriation: 14:22 – 18:01
• Steinbach Trade & Economy: 18:15 – 21:46
• Daycare Systems Abroad: 22:02 – 25:04
• Ontario Apple Orchard Theft: 25:24 – 27:51
• Western Canadian Music Festival: 27:51 – End

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Tone & Style

The episode combines urgent reporting with sensitive storytelling, balancing frontline details (e.g., strike disruption, heartbreaking scenes in India) with expert analysis and everyday impacts (farmers, families, entrepreneurs). Notably, direct quotes and on-scene interviews ground the news in real voices and communities.

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For those who missed the episode:
This summary offers a comprehensive window into the headline stories CBC believes most shape the Canadian and global conversation, highlighting not just what happened, but why it matters—and how individuals and communities are experiencing change, challenge, and loss.

Transcript

[Narrator/Announcer]

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[Kate McGillivray]

Hi, I'm Kate McGillivray. This is your world. Tonight.

[Jim Gallant]

It'S just death by a thousand cuts they will crush Canada Post and its management and the government doing it.

[Kate McGillivray]

With Canada Post at a crossroads, striking workers and their union are fighting tooth and nail for a say in what happens next and warning that the big cuts the government has planned are a road to ruin. Also on the podcast Death, Injury and fire at a Mormon church in Michigan after a man allegedly drove into it during Sunday service, opened fire and set the building ablaze.

[Juanita Taylor]

Plus I once did a 10 minute search on the Internet and I found 10 countries selling orange Shirt Day Every.

[Kate McGillivray]

Child Matters shirts With Truth and Reconciliation Day coming up on Tuesday, the nonprofit behind Orange Shirt Day says companies looking to make a quick buck are undermining the message. Postal workers are resisting the federal government's plan to end home delivery. Ottawa is also calling for some rural mail outlets to shudder in order to modernize a service losing millions of dollars a day. As JP Tasker reports, the government says the 150 year old Crown Corporation is being asked to change in order to ensure its survival.

[J.P. Tasker]

For the second time in less than a year, some 55,000 Canada Post workers are off the job, bringing mail and parcel delivery to a standstill and testing the patience of people who rely on the postal system to make a living.

[Jim Gallant]

One big giant nightmare.

[Tim Hsu]

Keep on going with Canada Post servicing.

[Jim Gallant]

Small businesses like ours across Canada, Lorne.

[J.P. Tasker]

James sells model trains by mail from his shop in Tilsonburg, Ontario. He says the work stoppage is costing him tens of thousands of dollars in lost sales.

[Jim Gallant]

It's frustrating.

[Tim Hsu]

At least this time it's not Christmas and Black Friday and Cyber Monday. But now we have a service interruption with no potential restore date.

[J.P. Tasker]

The latest job action comes after the federal government demanded an overhaul of the postal system, directing Canada Post to relax delivery standards, end door to door delivery, and lift a moratorium on closing some rural post offices.

[Jim Gallant]

This is thousands of jobs on the line and it devastates the service.

[J.P. Tasker]

The union that represents most postal workers is digging in Vowing to stay on strike until the government backs down. CUPW negotiator Jim Gallant.

[Jim Gallant]

It's just death by a thousand cuts. They will crush Canada Post and its management and the government doing it. And I understand that the Prime Minister is a business guy, but this is a public service. If you try to make a profit on a public service, you're going to fail.

[J.P. Tasker]

At its peak, Canada Post was delivering some five and a half billion letters a year. That number has dwindled to less than 2 billion. Once dominant in parcel delivery, it now moves fewer than one in four. The Crown corporation is effectively bankrupt, losing $10 billion a day.

[Jim Gallant]

We've just started on taxpayer injections to keep the lights on at the Canada Post. That that is not going to be a long term solution.

[J.P. Tasker]

John Hamilton speaks for Canada Post. He says the company needs to downsize if it has any hope of staying in business.

[Jim Gallant]

Are we going to be a leaner organization going forward? Absolutely. Top to bottom, management included.

[J.P. Tasker]

The Prime Minister says there's no going back, saying yesterday that even more cuts could be coming.

[Jim Gallant]

The government has indicated the corporations should move forward with some changes that are the start of a path towards viability. More will need to be done.

[J.P. Tasker]

The centuries old service is at a crossroads. The longer workers are out on strike, the more customers Canada Post could lose. J.P. tasker, CBC News, Ottawa to Grand.

[Kate McGillivray]

Blank, Michigan now where a gunman opened fire during Sunday services at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. At least two worshippers were killed. Another eight people are in hospital with injuries. Katie Simpson is watching all of this for us from Washington. Katie, the police gave an update this evening. What more do we know?

[Katie Simpson]

Police and witnesses describe an absolutely horrific scene. The church was packed, hundreds of people inside around 10:25 this morning. It was the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in Grand Blank, a rural community about an hour north of Detroit. Police and witnesses say it was around this time when the suspect drove a pickup truck through the front doors of the church. One witness says at first people thought it was an accident and went to hell. But that's when the driver got out of the vehicle armed with an automatic rifle and began shooting worshippers. The same time, investigators say the suspect somehow managed to start a fire that completely engulfed the church. Police say they first arrived on scene less than one minute after those first 911 calls started coming in and they were able to find, shoot and kill the gunman in less than 10 minutes. The scene was understandably chaotic. There were immediate calls for backup because authorities couldn't get to everyone who needed because the fire was so intense and spreading quickly. The suspect has been identified as 40 year old Thomas Jacob Sanford and he lived in a neighboring town. Photos from the scene show a truck, the one used in this attack, it had several American flags hanging right behind the truck's cab. Police are not yet providing any details about a motive at this time and the bomb squad has been called in to deal with any possible suspicious materials.

[Kate McGillivray]

And what kind of reaction are we hearing on this?

[Katie Simpson]

President Donald Trump says he was briefed on the shooting. In a post on social media, he said this appears to be yet another targeted attack on Christians, adding the epidemic of violence in our country must end immediately. Houses of worship have been targeted in attacks in the US recently, including just last month when two children were killed at a Catholic church mass in Minneapolis. On top of that, it has been an incredibly volatile time in America, the killing of Charlie Kirk. Police say the right wing activist was targeted in a politically motivated assassination. Police believe politics also played a role in another fatal shooting targeting a Dallas immigration facility. Again, investigators in Michigan are still working on a motive here, but this will certainly add to the tensions of this moment.

[Kate McGillivray]

Katie Simpson in Washington. Katie, thank you.

[Katie Simpson]

Thanks.

[Kate McGillivray]

U.S. president Donald Trump says his plan to end the war in Gaza is in its final stages. In an interview with the Reuters news agency, Trump says his 21 point plan has gotten a very good response from Israeli and Arab leaders. He says he hopes to finalize the deal in a meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday. Since becoming president in January, Trump has repeatedly claimed that a negotiated peace between Israel and Hamas is close. In southern India, police are investigating the senior members of a political party after dozens of people died in a crush at one of its rallies. Our South Asia correspondent Salima Shivji has more.

[Salima Shivji]

The cries of pain from a family hunched over the body of their loved one draped in flowers gone so abruptly. An elderly female relative raises her hands to her head repeatedly in Greek a few steps away, this young woman is inconsolable. Like so many other families in Karur district in India's southern Tamil Nadu city.

[Jim Gallant]

State.

[Salima Shivji]

It was a massive political rally Saturday evening that took their relatives. A campaign stop ahead of state elections next year for Vijay, the wildly popular Tamil actor turned politician, his star power brought thousands to the site, more than double the expected number within minutes of the rally. Starting after Vijay arrived. Hours later than panic hit, the crowd surged towards the campaign bus where the former actor stood making a speech. He was seen throwing water bottles from the top of the vehicle and calling for police to come help. Several people fainted from waiting in the heat. Others fell as the crush of the crowd overwhelmed them. Ambulances could barely make it through the crush of people to get the injured out. Among the dead, at least nine children. My brother's two boys are at the rally. His older son passed away. This man cries. What should I do? He asks in anguish. My daughter and her fiance sent a selfie from there, this woman says. They told me they'd be home soon, but now they're both gone. The grief hitting many families hard after the deadliest political rally Tamil Nadu has seen in a country where fatal crowd surges are relatively common. In June, 11 people died after a cricket victory celebration in Bengaluru. And last January at the holy Mahakhumela Hindu festival, a crowd surge killed 37 people, officials said, although opposition leaders dispute that figure and believe it was much higher. Vijay, in a post on social media, said his heart is shattered by the tragedy. He's offered compensation to the victims families, as has the state government. But there's also blame directed at the former movie star. Letting the rally take place here was the worst decision, this woman says, gesturing to the wide arterial road behind her. It was overcrowded, she says. There was nowhere to go to get out.

[Jim Gallant]

The case has been registered.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Okay, we'll give you the details.

[Salima Shivji]

Data S. Davidson Devaservatham with the Tamil Nadu police confirmed they've filed a case against key members of Vijay's new political party, a first step that could lead to criminal charges. But the investigation into how this deadly stampede could have happened is just beginning. Salina Shivji, CBC News, Mumbai.

[Kate McGillivray]

Still ahead, a few bad apples are spoiling the fun at an Ontario pick your own orchard. Hundreds of pounds of the fruit have been sold, stolen by visitors this fall. We'll meet the farmers who caught some of those thieves red handed. Coming up later on YOUR WORLD tonight, there are new details about the circumstances surrounding the fatal police shooting of a Quebec teenager last weekend. 15 year old Nouran Rezai was killed while officers were responding to a call about a group of armed people in public. Quebec's independent police watchdog is now investigating. The CBC's Rafi Boodja Canyon was at a protest this afternoon calling for justice for Rezai and he joins us now. Rafi, take us through what happened today, Kate.

[Rafi Boodja Canyon]

Protesters marched up and down the boulevard in front of the main police station in Longueuil on Montreal's south shore. They say they were looking for justice, a fair and transparent investigation into the killing of Nouran Rezai, but also demanding that police forces in Quebec start wearing body cameras. That is a trend elsewhere in the country. All municipal police in Alberta wear them. For example, Ontario Provincial Police do. So do Toronto police. But it's not standard practice here. Some protesters we spoke to say both those goals spoke out to them.

[Jim Gallant]

I personally do believe the police should have body cams, but I also believe that people, ordinary citizens, should film the police when there's something happening. I believe people should be documenting what's going on.

[Salima Shivji]

I just want to sensibilize the population.

[Juanita Taylor]

About racism that exists, especially towards immigrants.

[Jana Pacey]

So this is why I'm here, to support.

[Juanita Taylor]

I don't know if it's going to.

[Jana Pacey]

Make any change, but at least we're going to sensibilize some people.

[Kate McGillivray]

Rafi, can you remind us what we know about Rezai's death?

[Rafi Boodja Canyon]

Last Sunday, right before 3pm, police were called to the scene on a street intersection in Longueuil. The preliminary information from the police watchdog group, the Bureau d' Anquette Independent, or bei, says it was about a group of armed people. A witness who lives in the area told cbc, an officer stepped out of a car and yelled out twice to a group of teenagers running around before shooting twice. The witness said Nouran Rezai fell to the ground.

[Kate McGillivray]

And we're also learning some new details about what happened here. What can you tell us?

[Rafi Boodja Canyon]

Yeah, our colleagues at Radio Canada obtained details from one of three calls to 911 that day. That caller described a group of to 20 people in an altercation of some sort, including some holding baseball bats and pepper spray. This call was about 10 minutes long, and it also mentioned a firearm some four times. But it also said no firearm was actually seen, just what looked like the barrel of one sticking out of someone's backpack. We also know police arrived on the scene at 2:57pm and Rezae was shot by 2:58. So a minute later. And the BEI had been largely quiet since their initial announcement as they continue their investigation. But they've confirmed the only firearm found at the scene was the one the officer discharged.

[Kate McGillivray]

Rafi Booga Canyon in Montreal. Raffi, thank you.

[Rafi Boodja Canyon]

You're welcome.

[Kate McGillivray]

On Tuesday, you'll see many Canadians in orange shirts paying tribute to the tens of thousands of indigenous children forced to attend residential schools. This year marks the 14th Orange Shirt Day. But with more businesses participating, some are trying to take advantage of the momentum. As Juanita Taylor reports, the Orange Shirt Society, a nonprofit organization, is scrambling to do something about it Orange Shirt Day.

[Juanita Taylor]

Every Child Matters was created to honor survivors and their families and to remember those that never made it home.

[Jana Pacey]

Phyllis Webstad started a global movement 14 years ago with her story. She's the residential school survivor whose orange shirt was taken from her as a six year old child, a gift for from her grandmother for her first day of residential school at St. Joseph Mission in Williams Lake, BC. It's her story behind Orange Shirt Day.

[Juanita Taylor]

For whatever reason, my story was chosen to be the story to bring about change in Canada.

[Jana Pacey]

Webstad helped found the Orange Shirt Society, traveling the country and sharing her story. Now thousands of Canadians wear orange shirts from coast to coast to coast on September 30, the National Day for Truth.

[Juanita Taylor]

And Reconciliation advocate for this it just happened and it hit social media and just blew up to become the orange shirt movement that it is today and.

[Jana Pacey]

That is sparking interest by designers and companies to create and sell their own shirt in stores and online.

[Juanita Taylor]

I once did a 10 minute search on the Internet and I found 10 countries selling orange Shirt Day, Every Child Matters shirts and other merchandise as well.

[Jana Pacey]

But some creators of the orange shirt haven't been doing so in the spirit of its intent, says Webstad. She says shirts must be orange and include the message Every Child Matters. One online company called North Mapleware is offering shirts in multiple colors with phrases like All Child Matters and each Child Matters. CBC News reached out to the company for comment, but we did not receive a response before deadline.

[Juanita Taylor]

It's maddening to see that happening.

[Jana Pacey]

Appropriation of Orange Shirt Day prompted the Orange Shirt Society to act.

[Juanita Taylor]

The Orange Shirt Society applied for the trademark Every Child Matters in May of 2020 and we were successful in receiving that trademark June of this year. Do you want a receipt? Do you want a bag?

[Jana Pacey]

Meanwhile, Orange Shirt sales at Signed, a store in Yellowknife are going steady. Owner Jana Pacey collaborated with an indigenous artist, Elaine Landry, to create this year's shirt. But Pacey says she does it for the artist and for the community, not for the sales.

[Juanita Taylor]

It bothers me to know that there's people making money off of this.

[Rafi Boodja Canyon]

That's not what it's about.

[Juanita Taylor]

It's about honoring a group of people that deserves to be honoured.

[Jana Pacey]

Pacey says she only charges to cover operating costs. She's meeting the criteria the Orange Shirt Society has set out with its trademark. Webstad knows that it will take time to catch on.

[Juanita Taylor]

I see this as me and the Orange Shirt Society not being able to get our story out appropriately. Appropriately. I want to do paid advertisements in regard to all of this. But we just couldn't mobilize quick enough for yet another orange shirt day. But guaranteed next year we will be out there and talking more about this in the media and in the public.

[Jana Pacey]

Events, including marches and ceremonies, will be held on Tuesday across the country to mark the National Day for Truth and Reconciliation. No doubt in a sea of orange. Juanita Taylor, CBC News, Yellowknife.

[Kate McGillivray]

The booming city of Steinbach, Manitoba, is a prairie success story with a growing population and busy industries that have so far largely been spared from the US Trade war. But they know that could change. And as they continue to sell south of the border, Steinbach's business leaders are also hoping to see new Canadian trading partners emerge. Cameron McIntosh has more.

[J.P. Tasker]

Made in Canada. Dozens of workers are assembling custom windows on a busy factory floor in Steinbach, Manitoba.

[Jim Gallant]

Everything we make is configured to order.

[J.P. Tasker]

Neil Fast is president and CEO of Lowen Windows.

[Jim Gallant]

Depending on how busy we are, it'll be about two or three hundred units a day will be produced here, most of it like this by hand. A lot of it will look like that.

[J.P. Tasker]

Most are bound for the U.S. for now, at least, lowens windows are protected from U.S. import tariffs. But tariffs and counterterroriffs on aluminum and lumber have made input costs less predictable, creating uncertainty for the company and its 700 employees.

[Jim Gallant]

We are looking to really simplify our supply chain, make it a lot more resilient and and able to withstand any unexpected changes that might come out of next year.

[J.P. Tasker]

For sure, any progress on new trade deals that LESSEN Reliance on U.S. trade is welcome news, as Fast also tries to land more orders at home.

[Jim Gallant]

We're having our best year in Canada in a long time.

[J.P. Tasker]

Lowen is one of the biggest employers in Steinbach, a city of about 18,000, about 35 minutes southeast of Winnipeg. Since 2011, the population has grown more than 30%, largely driven by immigration, manufacturing jobs in windows, concrete and food production a big draw. A lot of that business reliant on north south trade, as is the other big economic driver here, agriculture.

[Juanita Taylor]

These three are full. The last two are still waiting just outside town.

[J.P. Tasker]

Marg Rempel is pointing to grain bins on the mixed farm she runs with her son. Midway through harvest, she's watching the weather, the markets and the whims of the White House. Their hog business is entirely Canadian. But uncertainty over US Trade threatens prices overall.

[Juanita Taylor]

It's a huge factor because it makes it difficult to plan for next month, let alone next year or for the next generation, be it a farm or.

[J.P. Tasker]

A factory across the region. A push to adapt for years, Steinbach has aggressively sought to grow by attracting new businesses and is trying not to let uncertainty over US Trade slow it down.

[Kate McGillivray]

We have a lot of opportunities here.

[J.P. Tasker]

Tessa Massey is executive director of the Chamber of Commerce with a simple pitch.

[Salima Shivji]

This is a great place to live and a great place to do business.

[Juanita Taylor]

We are pro business.

[J.P. Tasker]

There's a lot riding here on cross border and global politics, along with Canada's ability to avoid the worst of U.S. tariffs and land new trade deals. The American market likely impossible to replace entirely, but on the window assembly line, Fass says he's ready to sell to anyone anywhere.

[Jim Gallant]

The culture and the workforce that has been built up here is incredible on.

[Juanita Taylor]

The farm and we're passionate.

[J.P. Tasker]

Rempel is already thinking about next year's harvest.

[Juanita Taylor]

We are by nature tenaciously optimistic, I.

[J.P. Tasker]

Sometimes say, just hoping Canada can land the right deals. Cameron McIntosh, CBC News, Steinbach, Manitoba.

[Kate McGillivray]

For many Canadian parents, finding quality and affordable daycare remains difficult. That's despite a 2021 government promise to institute $10 a day daycare across the country by next year. For families wondering what is next, examples around the world can shine a little light both on the best case scenario and the ultimate cautionary tale. Freelance reporter John Last tells us more.

[Narrator/Announcer]

When Lisa Peterson had her first child, she knew she would be heading back to work before too long. So when her daughter Naya was a few months old, the former B.C. teacher filled out an online form from her home city of Copenhagen. Within a few months, she had guaranteed full time care in a clean and modern city run daycare.

[Kate McGillivray]

It was insanely easy.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Daycare in Denmark is heavily subsidized by the government and nearly universally accessible. And its benefits aren't just felt by parents. Birgit Steckman is a childcare expert with fao, the union representing daycare workers in Denmark.

[Juanita Taylor]

We have really solid research in Denmark.

[Jim Gallant]

Saying that when the children reach the.

[Juanita Taylor]

Second grade in school, it's over. Their path is made.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Today, despite record government spending, Canada's daycare system is still a far cry from Denmark's. If you're looking for a comparison, it's with another country where childcare is in the news for all the wrong reasons. Child care has become a big business in Australia. Matt Grundoff is an economist with the Australia Institute, a think tank. Like Canada, Australia's daycare system is dominated by private providers who have kept fees high and costs low to maximize profits. For over 30 years, the Australian government has been trying to lower fees with subsidies not unlike those introduced in Canada. But experts say the result there has been a disaster. Georgie Dent is CEO of the Parenthood, a child care advocacy group.

[Kate McGillivray]

Every time the government has made an investment in the child care subsidy to try and make childcare more affordable for parents, providers have just put up their.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Fees worse for profit. Daycares have been found to cut corners on safety and staff screening. In one city, authorities found a serial child abuser was allowed to work at dozens of different centers, gaining access to thousands of children. The problem has gotten so bad that Australia's government is now considering scrapping its subsidy altogether and putting that cash towards building a public system like Denmark's from scratch. For Grundoff, that's just common sense. We don't have to reinvent the wheel here.

[Juanita Taylor]

There's no reason we can't more closely.

[Rafi Boodja Canyon]

Link childcare with primary school education.

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Canadian experts say that the takeaway from Australia and Denmark's example should be clear. Morna Ballantine is executive director of Child Care Now, a Canadian advocacy group.

[Juanita Taylor]

The evidence is pretty clear about what is the better system. A publicly delivered system is better for quality, it's better for children, better for families and provides much better economic returns.

[Narrator/Announcer]

But Canadian parents might not want to hold their breath. Ballantine says any progress on a public system will depend on the political will to make it happen. Canada's partial subsidy may have been a start, but a daycare system to rival Denmark's is still a long way away. For CBC News, I'm John Last in Ottawa.

[Kate McGillivray]

An apple orchard in Ontario is bringing in new security measures after losing hundreds of pounds of fruit to theft. Visitors have been caught smuggling out apples using backpacks and even strollers, leading farmers to lose thousands of dollars in profit. As Cameron Mahler reports, some farmers are considering shutting down the public picking altogether.

[Jim Gallant]

We don't know if we would want to do this forever if this would continue.

[Tim Hsu]

It's peak apple picking season at shoe orchards near Kitchener, Ontario. But if you're heading into the fields this year, don't bring a stroller, backpack or wagon. Owner Tim Hsu says those new rules aren't ideal, but it's his best tactic to curb theft.

[Jim Gallant]

We realized that with that many people on the farm, it was difficult to keep track of how many people were in the rows where they were going.

[Tim Hsu]

Over just two weekends, more than 7,500 customers came to Shoes Farm, he says. Some of them were caught filling their trunks up with bushels or even hiding apples under blankets.

[Jim Gallant]

I seized about 250 pounds of apples. There's no way with 4,000 people on our farm that we were able to get even half the people that were stealing.

[Tim Hsu]

Hsu estimates at least £500 were taken. That's about $2,000 worth of apples. Enough to make him question whether his pick your own operation is worth it.

[Jim Gallant]

You know, if everyone was stealing from us, we certainly would shut down tomorrow.

[Tim Hsu]

Shue isn't alone. Byron Good, who runs Good Family Farm Pumpkins in Waterloo, says theft is a constant worry. But unlike Hsu, he doesn't want to impose bans on his farm, worried it'll affect his customers experience.

[Jim Gallant]

The vast majority of people are honest. If people like to come as families, if it's easier to have children in a stroller, we don't want to take that away.

[Tim Hsu]

Instead, Goode relies on security cameras and even plants his most valuable pumpkins further from the road. But theft at pick your own farms like the ones Shoe and Good Run isn't a small issue. Kevin Vallier is the CEO of Agritourism Ontario, a non profit organization that promotes farmers who've opened their gates to the public. He says rules like shoes are becoming more and more common.

[Jim Gallant]

I've talked to a number of members this year and last year that are seeing a significant rise in theft. I know some have talked about shutting you pick down altogether because it's just they're losing so much money.

[Tim Hsu]

Vallier says some farmers are now paying for fencing security or extra staff costs that often get passed back down to customers. But still, both Vallier and Good worry too many restrictions will take away from what makes going to the farm special. Hsu understands that, but says without the changes, orchards like his could be forced to close their gates permanently. Cameron Mahler, CBC News, Ottawa.

[Kate McGillivray]

And finally, let's stop by a music festival and conference in Winnipeg that wraps up tonight. Breakout west shows off artists from across the western provinces, a good number of them bringing a proper western dose of banjos, guitars and soul. That's Manitoba's Jade Turner. The festival ends with the Western Canadian Music Award and she's bringing home Country Artist of the Year. Then there's the winners in the hip hop category. From Kitimat Village in British Columbia, snotty no's res kids. Finally, there's this year's inductee into the Western Canadian Music hall of Fame, Winnipeg's own Chantal Kreviaz. Thanks for being with us. This has been youn World Tonight for Sunday, September 28th. I'm Kate McGillivray. Good night for more CBC podcasts. Go to CBC CA podcasts.