Lightning Round! with Chelsey Weber-Smith

Summary

You're Wrong About – Lightning Round with Chelsey Weber-Smith

Host: Sarah Marshall
Guest: Chelsey Weber-Smith
Release Date: July 28, 2026
Episode Theme: A fast-paced quiz episode where Sarah challenges Chelsey to a “lightning round” of pop culture, history, and infamously “miscast” moments and figures, riffing on the show’s trademark blend of nostalgia, pop culture, and myth-busting. The quiz becomes a springboard for banter, storytelling, and commentary on maligned women and misunderstood events.

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Overview

This “lightning round” episode is a playful, rapid-fire trivia game between host Sarah Marshall and returning guest (and American Hysteria host) Chelsey Weber-Smith. Through 20 wide-ranging questions, the two explore notorious scandals, misunderstood moments, and recurring tropes the podcast specializes in—often pausing to unravel deeper historical and cultural myths. The quiz format prompts both laughter and digression, leading to a reflection on the role of misremembered facts, collective myths, and the experience of being “maligned” by culture or history.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Scene & Opening Banter

[00:00–05:00]

• Sarah and Chelsey trade jokes about gnats in wine and identity (“I am a gnat. I am a big gnat.” – Chelsea, 01:01), referencing Alanis Morissette’s “Ironic” and speculative fiction.
• Sarah reminisces about receiving Ursula Le Guin’s The Compass Rose from her mom, launching a tangent on favorite childhood books and maternal support.
• They reflect on the changing culture of bookstores and downtowns (“You’re from Seattle, you know. We’ve ruined everything here.” – Sarah, 02:30).

2. Lightning Round Structure & Stakes

[05:00–10:30]

• Sarah introduces the rules: 20 questions in 30 minutes, with a playful point system tied to various dares (a firecracker high five for Chelsey if she wins, a roller coaster trip for a tie, a corn maze outing for a loss).
• Stakes are all in good fun—nearly all outcomes are incentives for mutual fun or mild self-deprecating “punishment.”

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The Lightning Round (Selected Highlights)

Notable Questions, Answers, and Commentary

1. The McDonald’s Hot Coffee Case

[11:01]
Sarah: “What temperature approximately was the hot coffee Stella Liebeck spilled on herself in the infamous McDonald's hot coffee case of the 1990s?”
Chelsey (guesses): “I want to say, like, 150... 200.”
Sarah: “That’s very close. It was estimated at 180 to 190 degrees.”
[12:09]

2. 1994 Figure Skating Olympics

[12:42]
Sarah: “Who won the gold in ladies figure skating that year?”
Chelsey (guesses): “Nancy [Kerrigan].”
Sarah: “She got silver. The gold went to Oksana Bayul.”

• Insight: Discussion of judging controversies, TV coverage, and the difficulty of catching mistakes before instant replay.
  [15:02]

3. Trials of the Century

[17:04]
Sarah: “Name three ‘trials of the century.’”
Chelsey: “Leopold and Loeb, OJ, Menendez Brothers?... Maybe Lizzie Borden? Or Patty Hearst?”
Sarah explains the term’s history and mentions Scopes, Sacco & Vanzetti, and Sam Shepard as other examples.
[21:34]

4. Rosemary’s Baby – The Deal

[22:12]
Sarah: “Why does Rosemary’s husband make a deal with the Satanists next door?”
Chelsey (guesses): “Wanting a baby?... money?... property?”
Sarah: “Neither. He does it for respect as an actor—not for money or necessity, but so he can be taken seriously off-Broadway.”
Chelsey: “It’s so real and so yucky... more annoying than just wanting money!”
[24:07]

5. Henry VIII’s Wives Beheaded

[27:52]
Sarah: “How many of Henry VIII’s wives did he have executed?”
Chelsey: “Four?... Two.”
Sarah: “Yes, that’s correct. The mnemonic: Divorced, beheaded, died / Divorced, beheaded, survived.”
[29:01]

6. First Woman in Boston Marathon

[30:19]
Sarah: “What was the first year a woman officially competed in the Boston Marathon?”
Chelsey: “1968?...”
Sarah: “It was 1972. And it’s always later than we think.”
Chelsey, about historical rights: “It’s always just three or four years later than I think.”
[31:07]

7. Geraldo and Al Capone’s Vault

[36:03]
Sarah: “Who opened Al Capone’s vault?”
Chelsey: “My darling Geraldo!”
Sarah: “He was one of the only people from the satanic panic to publicly recant.”
Brief musing on Geraldo’s “unbridled enthusiasm” and penchant for confession.

8. Maligned Women – 1-Minute Lightning

[47:47]
Sarah: “Name maligned women, go!”
Chelsey: “Tonya Harding, Monica Lewinsky, Britney Spears, JLo, Lindsay Lohan, Mary Kate Olsen.”
Sarah tallies up the answers, offering “full point for JLo.”
[49:42]

9. First State to Criminalize Stalking

[50:04]
Sarah: “What year did the first state criminalize stalking?”
Chelsey: “1980?... 1990.”
Sarah: “Yes, 1990. California.”
Commentary: The shock at how recently stalking became a crime, and how protections, especially for women, lag behind.

10. Mary Jo Buttafuoco’s Memoir Title

[52:21]
Sarah: “What was her memoir called?”
Chelsey (inventing): “Picking Up the Pieces.”
Sarah: “Getting It Through My Thick Skull: Why I Stayed, What I Learned, and What Millions of People Involved with Sociopaths Need to Know.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On accidental deep dives:
  “This is like a fiction writer when it’s like, way too much detail. They’re like, we passed 1, 2, 3 Sycamore Street.” – Chelsea (02:46)

• On collective memory:
  “Sometimes the rumors are very close to the truth, actually.” – Sarah (34:14)

• On misremembered rights:
  “I mean, that’s absolutely unhinged, as most things are when you ask when they started. Pertaining to women, particularly, of course.” – Chelsea (50:33–50:38)

• On maligned women:
  “I just, it’s like there’s a towel stuffed in my brain and there’s no room... It’s like all the stuff I care about just evaporates under pressure.” – Chelsea (53:57)

• On learning and memory:
  “I am better at, like, the context clues... but then if I’m being timed about much maligned women, which I care deeply about... it’s like there’s a towel stuffed in my brain and there’s no room.” – Chelsea (53:54)

• On misinformation and nostalgia:
  “I love, as you know, misinformation... and to talk about how we need to give ourselves some credit as people who do get tricked sometimes, partly because everyone is trying to trick us.” – Sarah (61:26)

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Fun, Tangential Digressions

• Reminiscence on bookstore culture in the ’90s and gifts from supportive parents (Sarah: The Compass Rose, Leonard Cohen CD).
• The media's tendency to dub nearly every major trial the "Trial of the Century."
• Discussion of horror movie publicity stunts, real versus manufactured hysteria, and fainting as a psychosomatic (or social) phenomenon (38:51–41:26).
• Banter about British food, “pasta,” tea, and UK crime dramas (“Midsomer Murders”).
• Nostalgic memories of childhood media consumption and the absurdity of what was deemed “inappropriate.”

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Final Segment: Scores, Reflection, and Celebration

[54:32–end]

• Sarah totals Chelsey’s score: “You have a record-setting 20.5 points out of 20. An A+!”
• Chelsey: “That means I win. And we get to high five with gunpowder in our hands!”
• Reflections on learning styles, research burnout, and the fleeting nature of trivia memory (”I research until my soul is like one of those little guys in The Little Mermaid... and then I forget it all because it just don’t fit.” – Chelsea, 53:51).
• Warm expressions of mutual admiration and friendship, with Sarah and Chelsey congratulating each other and planning to swap roles for a future American Hysteria quiz.

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Episode Timestamps (Key Segments)

• 00:00 – Opening banter (gnats, wine, and identity)
• 07:18 – Explanation of quiz format and playful punishments
• 11:01 – The McDonald’s hot coffee case
• 12:42 – 1994 Figure Skating Olympics
• 17:04 – “Trial of the Century” discussion
• 22:12 – Rosemary’s Baby and the allure of respectability
• 27:52 – Henry VIII’s wives executed
• 30:19 – First woman in Boston Marathon
• 36:03 – Geraldo Rivera and Al Capone’s vault
• 47:47 – 1-minute maligned women lightning challenge
• 50:04 – First state to criminalize stalking
• 52:21 – Mary Jo Buttafuoco’s memoir title
• 54:32–end – Scores, reflections, future plans, and playful sign-off

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Tone & Style

• Playful, self-aware, and often nostalgic, with a running undercurrent of feminist cultural commentary
• Conversational and digressive – quick lateral moves from trivia to personal reflection to social analysis
• Accessible and warm, with inside-jokes and encouragement, eschewing “gotcha” trivia for mutual celebration and discovery

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Summary Statement

This episode epitomizes the spirit of You’re Wrong About: myth-busting as a means for cultural connection, a celebration of collective memory, and the joy of unearthing the reality behind misunderstood stories—always with laughter, humility, and compassion. Even when the facts are surprising, embarrassing, or sobering, the process is collaborative and affirming—a model for generosity in curiosity and friendship.

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For further listening:

• “McDonald’s Hot Coffee”
• “Marathon Women”
• “The Exploding Pinto”
• “Amy Fisher”
  and “doll culture” Patreon episodes.

Notable Sarah Marshall Sign-off:
"I love, as you know, misinformation. [...] We need to give ourselves some credit as people who do get tricked, sometimes, partly because everyone is trying to trick us." (61:26–61:49)

Transcript

[Sarah]

Being pressured to do scary things makes me feel included. Why is there always a gnat in my wine?

[Chelsea]

A gnat?

[Sarah]

Yeah. Every time I drink wine, within five minutes, a gnat decides to die there.

[Chelsea]

I don't know if I can tell the difference between a gnat and another winged insect.

[Sarah]

The gnats are the really little ones that love to fly into my glasses of wine.

[Chelsea]

Yeah, okay.

[Miranda]

All right.

[Chelsea]

I'm looking at a chart. Okay. Yeah, okay, sure.

[Sarah]

They're really tiny. It's not like having a fly in there. That would be, like, really gross. And of course, an Alanis Morissette song.

[Chelsea]

Of course. Of course.

[Sarah]

Rather ironic, if you will.

[Chelsea]

Nothing more ironic than a bug in your wine.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Chelsea]

This is our cold open Chelsea.

[Sarah]

Who. Who. Who the fuck are you? Sorry for swearing, kids.

[Chelsea]

I am a gnat. I am a big gnat.

[Sarah]

You are a gnat. You're that. You're the gnat in the wine glass. You're the bay leaf in the potato salad.

[Chelsea]

I'm the gnat of the podcasting world,

[Sarah]

buzzing around, looking for some fruit in your kitchen.

[Chelsea]

I would love some wine, though. I wouldn't mind being in. Consumed in a wine glass currently.

[Sarah]

And your next life, you can come back as a gnat in my wine.

[Chelsea]

Yeah, that would be. I would be fine with that.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chelsea]

A nice, short life, you know, nice, easy.

[Sarah]

Yeah. You're born, you fly into my wine, you pass away.

[Chelsea]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Probably pretty drunk. It's fine.

[Chelsea]

But to me, it would seem like an eternity because all I have is my own context of time.

[Sarah]

That's an interesting idea.

[Chelsea]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Did you ever read one person, when I say this will be like. Yes. Did you ever read. There's this Ursula Le Guin story. This was in this collection called the Compass Rose. It is called the author of the Acacia Seeds. I remember my mom buying this book for me when I was 13 years old and getting in the car with her outside pals, which is a wonderful bookstore, but is much more of a gift shop than it used to be in the 90s. It was really like a warehouse with a bunch of yellow books in it.

[Chelsea]

Yes.

[Sarah]

And it was so much better that way. Yeah. Yeah. You know, because it's nice for things to be new and shiny and well organized and have polite people working there. But at what cost?

[Chelsea]

There are limits.

[Sarah]

You're from Seattle, you know.

[Chelsea]

I do, I do. We've ruined everything here. Yeah.

[Sarah]

But I remember sitting in my mom's car on a summer's day. She drove, I don't know which direction on Burnside but, you know, back towards our house. I should know this.

[Chelsea]

A lot of detail.

[Sarah]

I would say east to get on the freeway.

[Chelsea]

This is like a fiction writer when it's like, way too much detail. They're like, we passed 1, 2, 3 Sycamore Street.

[Sarah]

I really struggle with that. Yeah. And I remember reading the story and it was just such a beautiful moment of, like, my mom was, like, knocking it out of the park when I was 13 with presents. I think 13, 14 sounds like it. Because she was like, oh, she's depressed. So she bought me my first Leonard Cohen album when I turned 14.

[Chelsea]

Wow.

[Sarah]

Yeah, love that. Yes.

[Chelsea]

We just love your mom here in podcasting.

[Sarah]

We love in this house. We love my mom.

[Chelsea]

Yeah. But anyway, what about your friggin story?

[Sarah]

What about my friggin story? All right, Chelsea, let's get there.

[Chelsea]

Sarah.

[Sarah]

We were heading down Burnside in July 2001. We had no white onions because of the Spanish American War. That was back when Nickels had bees on him. Give me five bees for a quarter,

[Chelsea]

he'd say, because that was the style at the time.

[Sarah]

Okay. But anyway, Yes, I remember reading this story and just that moment in time. And it's a wonderful collection of stories by Ursula Le Guin that are just sort of like speculative fiction, as we would call it today, in the most sort of nimble and weird and feminist way. And the first story is about, like, it's this theoretical academic paper about discovering poetry written by an ant on seed husks and, like, their interpretation of, like, what this worker aunt who secretly wrote poetry was trying to say. Wow. I know.

[Chelsea]

Wow. That is a very you story. And I was like, watching this ant, like, maybe today or maybe yesterday, like, walk across a log at the beach carrying this big ass thing. And I was like, revolt. You can turn around. You don't have to bring that to the queen. You can be free. Don't do it.

[Sarah]

You can eat your crumb yourself. But ants don't want to live alone up there. You know, we have to live with that. They don't want to be rescued, the ants.

[Chelsea]

And then I googled, do bugs have brains?

[Sarah]

Do they? Probably little tiny ones, right? Yeah.

[Chelsea]

Little, tiny brains.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Yeah, Great.

[Chelsea]

That was my day at the beach.

[Sarah]

Perfect.

[Chelsea]

But that is a lovely story. I do love that.

[Sarah]

Yes. Everyone should read it. It's called the Compass Rose. It's great. Okay, so, Kelsey, what we're doing today is a little quiz. It is the summer. It is hot. Some of us are having thunderstorms and lightning. Not in the Northwest, Really? Sadly, we don't really have that hardly

[Chelsea]

ever here once in a while.

[Sarah]

And as we're recording this, I hear. I hear, Kelsey, that the. I feel like Johnny Carson, that the temperature in Paris, France, is 110. Ooh. Yeah. Weird, wild stuff.

[Chelsea]

Yes. Weird, wild stuff. I do feel like you've taken on a completely new tone in this episode. Pretty crazy. That old climate change.

[Sarah]

It's just. It's a scary time. And I am amazed at how close Ursula Le Guin got to the truth of how time has passed and that things that we used to know continue to exist but are melting. Interestingly. Literally and figuratively. Yeah. And so that has nothing to do. Or maybe it has something to do with today's episode, which is like, okay, this is my rationale. I realized subliminally is that it's hot. There's lightning. We're going to have a lightning round episode. I have 20 questions for you. We're going to give you one point per question.

[Chelsea]

Okay.

[Sarah]

Some are going to be easier, some are going to be harder, but I don't want to make it complicated for myself to score you.

[Chelsea]

Okay. All right.

[Sarah]

Because it's been a long semester.

[Chelsea]

Oh, dear. Okay. All right.

[Sarah]

Are you excited?

[Chelsea]

I'm excited. I love lightning.

[Sarah]

Me too.

[Chelsea]

So I'm going to carry that in my heart.

[Sarah]

And we had a rainbows episode, so.

[Chelsea]

But, yes, I do feel nervous because I did not exactly know what this was going to be like, and now I'm being quizzed, and I do feel like this is a pop quiz.

[Sarah]

It is a pop quiz. Which is the most fun way to say that.

[Chelsea]

So I'm sweating button. I'm pulling my collar right now being like, ooh. Well, no, but I'm excited.

[Sarah]

Good. Yeah. You're gonna do great.

[Chelsea]

I don't have anything to be embarrassed about. I get zero points.

[Sarah]

No, you don't.

[Chelsea]

At least I'm fun. I'll always have that.

[Sarah]

You are fun. And also, I won't be surprised if you get zero. But let's do. Do you want to decide what the kind of scoring scale is? I mean, I was thinking that if you win, if you get, like, 15 to 20 points, you can make me high five you while you have one of those little gunpowder things that you talked about in the Firecrackers episode. I will do my second least favorite thing. Something involving a loud sound.

[Chelsea]

Ooh, interesting.

[Sarah]

First least favorite thing, crowds.

[Chelsea]

I like. I like that, like, my winnings are your punishment.

[Sarah]

I thought you might enjoy that.

[Chelsea]

I actually do.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chelsea]

But for anyone who did not listen to our fireworks episode, what Sarah is talking about is that my brother Riley, who's our associate producer over at American Hysteria, and I invented this game with those little poppets, which you guys may know as those little tiny, like, white bags of, I think, gunpowder that are, like, twisted at the top.

[Sarah]

I saw them at Safeway yesterday.

[Chelsea]

Yeah, they're everywhere. One of the only fireworks that I think. I think you can get them everywhere.

[Sarah]

Hopefully they're made out of something safer than that, but who knows?

[Chelsea]

They probably just are. But my brother and I invented putting, like, about three of them between each of your fingers and then high fiving each other.

[Sarah]

Oh, my God.

[Chelsea]

Doesn't hurt.

[Sarah]

I'm not doing three, but it does

[Chelsea]

sound awesome and it looks awesome.

[Sarah]

Oh, my God.

[Chelsea]

Kelsey, you brought this to me.

[Sarah]

I know. I want to. I want to inspire you to do a really great job.

[Chelsea]

Okay, well, we'll videotape it if I do win, and we will pop it up on the old. The old Patreon, so. All right.

[Sarah]

I love it. All right. And then. Okay. And let's say between 15 and 5 is a tie.

[Chelsea]

Okay.

[Sarah]

And I think for a tie, you and I should go on a roller coaster. Great. Because that way we're both happy.

[Chelsea]

Like, we wouldn't do it anyway. But. Yes.

[Sarah]

Well, yes. But it incentivizes us because it's part of a quiz. And then if you get 5 to 0 points, it means you need more. You're wrong about reprogramming, if you will. And it means that we're going to go to a corn maze. That's.

[Chelsea]

But that benefits me. I feel like. But I don't.

[Sarah]

I. But I don't want to. Listen, Kelsey, I don't wish you harm. I just wish you quiet things.

[Chelsea]

And I was immediately like, she'll find me.

[Sarah]

Do that. Yeah.

[Miranda]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

And I like to be dared to do stuff. It works out for everybody. Being pressured to do scary things makes me feel included.

[Chelsea]

But now I'm thinking, should I have to buy an American Girl doll off ebay and display it in my house?

[Sarah]

You can if you would like to.

[Chelsea]

All right. No, punish for me. I win in every. Every scenario.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chelsea]

Yeah, me too.

[Sarah]

Basically.

[Chelsea]

Perfect.

[Sarah]

Okay, so we have 20 questions, and I think we should set a time limit.

[Chelsea]

Okay.

[Sarah]

To keep it edgy. What do you think? 30 minutes? How do you feel about 30 minutes?

[Chelsea]

30 minutes for total or 30 minutes per question?

[Sarah]

30 minutes total.

[Chelsea]

Yes. Yeah, that's great. Should we have a timer per question, or is it more like, let's just do it overall.

[Sarah]

All right.

[Chelsea]

All right.

[Miranda]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

And then. Okay, and if you answer this question correctly, I will give you 10 extra minutes this first question. Yes.

[Chelsea]

Oh, shit. Okay. All right. Okay, I'm ready.

[Sarah]

All right, what temperature approximately.

[Chelsea]

Already liked. I'm fucked. Okay, go ahead.

[Sarah]

I just will tell everybody that I grew up watching Alex Trebek on Jeopardy, and I love him and I miss him every day. So. Okay, approximately, what temperature was the hot coffee that Stella Liebeck spilled on herself in the infamous McDonald's hot coffee case of the 1990s? Okay, approximate temperature.

[Chelsea]

Approximate temperature. I want to say. I want to say, like, oh, God, like, 150. Is that way too high?

[Sarah]

No, it's not way too high.

[Chelsea]

Oh, shit. Okay. All right.

[Sarah]

Is it like, I'm going to give you another chance. I want you to go higher.

[Chelsea]

All right, I'll go higher. I, like, don't know how temperature burned, but I know that she was much maligned. I'll say 200.

[Sarah]

That's very close. It was estimated at 180 to 190 degrees.

[Chelsea]

Ooh, boy.

[Sarah]

Because that was the temperature that McDonald's was keeping coughing at at that time for some reason. If there was a reason for it, I forget it. But you could learn about it if there is. In our previous episode, the McDonald's hot coffee case.

[Chelsea]

It's great. Definitely listen to that one.

[Sarah]

Thank you, Kelsey.

[Chelsea]

Oh, I mean, that story is just so wild.

[Miranda]

Yeah.

[Chelsea]

Okay, I guess we have to keep going. I guess we can't be chatting.

[Sarah]

Well, I do want us to chat. We don't have to take this so seriously that we're not chatting.

[Miranda]

Oh, fuck.

[Chelsea]

So much is at stake. Okay, all right. Okay, I'm ready, though.

[Sarah]

I'm going to give you 40 minutes because you were very close to the actual temperature. You said 200. It was 180 to 190. And because you said kind words about Stella. All right, let's go.

[Chelsea]

Okay.

[Sarah]

We all know, I hope that in the 1994 Olympics in Lillehammer, Norway, Tanya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan were competing for the United States in the figure skating competition in ladies singles. Who won the gold in ladies figure skating that year?

[Chelsea]

Oh, it's like, I want to say Nancy, but I feel like maybe she got second. But I don't know any. I won't remember the other person's name, so I'm gonna go Nancy.

[Sarah]

She did come in second. She won the silver medal.

[Chelsea]

Okay, well, at least I knew that.

[Sarah]

You did know that.

[Chelsea]

Who is it?

[Sarah]

The winner of the goal that year was Oksana Bayoul.

[Chelsea]

Cool. Go for her.

[Sarah]

She was competing for Ukraine. Yep. She had some fun numbers. She did, like, a Comme Saint Sans Swan ballet thing, which was very pretty for her exhibition. And she had, like, a. Wore a lot of marabou, I think, and had, like, a Broadway medley. Nancy, interestingly, people don't talk about this enough. Skated to a Neil diamond medley for her long skate and I think maybe possibly her short program as well.

[Chelsea]

What a surreal thing.

[Sarah]

And it was beautiful. Yeah. Is the thing. And it included a lot of Jonathan Livingston Seagull.

[Chelsea]

Oh, I need to rewatch these.

[Sarah]

I recommend them. They're very interesting. And to sort of watch that night of skating in sequence is fascinating. It's an incredible drama.

[Chelsea]

Yeah, she fought through, man.

[Sarah]

Yeah, they both did in their own way.

[Chelsea]

In their own way. Absolutely. You know, it's. It's complicated.

[Sarah]

So, yeah, the gold went to Oksana Bayoul. And what's interesting about that is that this is before they were using instant replay and figure skating judging. They just had these judges trying to, like, do their best to see what was going on as it was happening. And so there was some controversy over the fact that while landing a jump, Oksana Bayoul, like, had two feet on the ice at a moment, I'm pretty sure, when she wasn't supposed to. Ooh. And one of the judges arguably graded her in such a way that as to imply that he hadn't seen that happening because it would be really easy to miss it, because it was at the opposite end of a giant skating rink. And it was, like, one little. I think, possibly even just a toe down where it shouldn't have been for a split second.

[Chelsea]

Do you think he had a motive for doing that, or do you think it was an honest difference in.

[Sarah]

I think it's just as easy to make the honest mistake and probably easier.

[Chelsea]

Yeah, totally.

[Sarah]

I would be very interested to hear a broader expose about bribery in the skating world, because it does happen. I think probably more than any of us would like to believe.

[Chelsea]

Yeah. I mean, it happened when I was a kid in softball. We played this one game, and there was a ump that was. And we were in, like. I was in select softball, so we were, like. I had, like, traveled, and we were.

[Sarah]

I never knew this. That's exciting.

[Chelsea]

Yeah. And the umpire was obviously biased. There was, like, this team that, like, they were, like, the best team, and they were always, like, in these really fancy uniforms, and they always played. I won't fucking call them Out. But their name was Blank west, like their town name and then West. And so they'd play wild, Wild west when they came on the field, and it was so annoying, and the uncle was calling for them, and I was just up on the fence in the. In the pen, just being like, what are you doing? Like, they were like. Everyone was like, calm down. And we were just like, jeering and we were so pissed. So it even happens at that low level of sporting. Yeah. And I'll never forget my rage.

[Sarah]

How old were you?

[Chelsea]

I'm going with 11.

[Sarah]

That's nuts. What is the point in racketeering around 11 year olds? Sports teams, dude.

[Chelsea]

That. That team, like, there was. It was dark. There was a lot of dark stuff about Blank West.

[Sarah]

Oh, no.

[Chelsea]

Anyway, so who knows who should have won that. That skating competition? But yeah, good for her. Good for everyone.

[Sarah]

It could just as well have been Nancy. Yeah.

[Miranda]

And.

[Sarah]

And from a certain perspective, I. E. My pers. Perspective, it really should have been.

[Chelsea]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sarah]

Okay. You did great. I'm gonna give you half a point for that.

[Chelsea]

I'll take it.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Because you knew that Nancy came in second and then you second guessed yourself. But that's okay.

[Chelsea]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Okay. Name three trials of the sanctuary.

[Chelsea]

I can do this.

[Sarah]

These are trials, like, from the 20th century through today that have been called the trial of the Sanctuary in the media or by pundits or. Or lawyers, at the time of which there have been like at least a couple dozen.

[Chelsea]

So many. Leopold and Loeb.

[Sarah]

Nice.

[Chelsea]

I'll do O.J. i'll do. Okay, let's see. I know so many that I feel would qualify. I thought I would get this so easy.

[Sarah]

You got two immediately.

[Chelsea]

Let's go. Menendez brothers.

[Sarah]

I can't confirm that based on my research, but I'm willing to believe that, you know.

[Chelsea]

Okay, let's see. What about Lizzie Borden?

[Sarah]

Well, okay, let me tell you something interesting. I believe, based on a couple of sources, I read that the first application of this term In, I think 1906, 1907, was to the trial, actually two trials, because the first, Curie deadlocked. I can't remember if that's different from a hung jury, but it didn't work out, so they had to have a second one. But the trial of Harry K. Thaw for the murder of Stanford White, to defend allegedly the honor of his wife, Evelyn Nesbitt, which happened again 1906, 1907. So that is like, arguably by some, the like, first kind of like use of that term, at least in print, that People have found in the record.

[Chelsea]

Right, that's very interesting.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Farther back. Closer to that period, maybe. And I bet Menendez has been called that, by the way. We could quit now.

[Chelsea]

Well, also, here's another one I'm gonna pitch. Yeah, I'm gonna pitch also Patty Hearst trial, the sla.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Again, I don't. I don't know about that one, but

[Chelsea]

I. I know it's hard to count them all because.

[Sarah]

Right, yeah, because there's tons that I haven't uncovered because it's like at least

[Chelsea]

one person in the media has to call it that. And then it's like I just, I come across it so often and everything. But tell me, tell me the year again. One.

[Sarah]

1906 or so.

[Chelsea]

1906. Well, we just did an episode about Belle Gunness, which I believe was called the Trial of the Century. Well, no, because I didn't. Nope, that's not right. But that was right. Belle Gunness was like a. A serial killer woman who killed through personal ads, which is a very interesting story. You can join our Patreon to learn more.

[Sarah]

Oh, but can I tell you a

[Chelsea]

couple that I just. Go ahead, go ahead.

[Sarah]

Okay. Well, okay, so Leopold and Loeb and OJ Are two big ones. And when you think about them. And the Leopold and Loeb case was a murder committed by two young men, like early 20s, I believe, who felt themselves to be very intellectual and wanted to commit the crime of the sanctuary.

[Chelsea]

A couple of ubermensch. Mensches.

[Sarah]

Yeah, Ubermensch.

[Chelsea]

Yeah, that.

[Sarah]

Yeah. To their private belief. And also there was some degree of romantic and sexual entanglement going on there. Kind of a one sided romantic thing. Very sadly.

[Chelsea]

Very sadly. History could be different because you should

[Sarah]

never be driven to violent crime by someone who doesn't like you.

[Chelsea]

Just think of Scream 1, but it.

[Sarah]

But usually it probably does go that way. Yeah, it was very Scream one. And that's the thing. This relationship has been depicted and spoofed in media for a really long time. And it's sort of this very influential cultural moment because there were more mega narratives back in the 20s. People followed this trial on the radio every day. It was kind of a precursor to OJ and that's one of the uniting factors here, is that OJ Also was broadcast. You could watch it every single day for the entirety of it. You could watch it condensed. It was like an extremely televised trial. And it kind of was like the soap opera to end all soap operas in a sense.

[Chelsea]

Absolutely. Yep.

[Sarah]

And yeah, so when you have something that's called the Trial of the Sanctuary. I think often, like, one of the themes that appears in common is that it's something that the public is let in on in a big way and feels. I don't know. That it's a big narrative that signifies themes in American life and the trials we're looking at and also that people have access to it. So we have the Scopes Trial.

[Chelsea]

Oh, yes, yes, yes.

[Sarah]

Yep. The Monkey trial. The trial of Sacco and Vanzetti is an example that I think that label has been applied to a lot. And also on just like a criminal and on a domestic murder. Wife aside, trial, we have the. The trial of Sam Shepard in the 1950s.

[Chelsea]

Okay. Yeah. Yep. Very interesting stuff.

[Miranda]

I love.

[Chelsea]

I just. I just so often am doing research, and it's like, it's the trial of the century. And I'm like, add it to the pile.

[Sarah]

Like, people love to say that.

[Chelsea]

I know, I know.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Here's a fun one in Rosemary's Baby. And by the way, we're giving you a point for the Trials of the Sanctuary question. So you're doing great.

[Chelsea]

I believe I deserve it. Thank you.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. You really do. Okay. In Rosemary's Baby, the novel by Ira Levin, why does Rosemary's husband make a deal with the cast of Vets, AKA the Satanists Next Door?

[Chelsea]

I'm not gonna get this.

[Sarah]

Well, try and guess.

[Chelsea]

Is it different than the movie?

[Sarah]

No, it's the same. It doesn't matter. You can. You can just think about the movie.

[Chelsea]

I know, but I haven't seen the movie in so long. It doesn't have to do with the. I don't know.

[Sarah]

Well, why don't you guess something?

[Chelsea]

I'm supposed to be a horror fan.

[Sarah]

You're doing great.

[Chelsea]

Does it have to do with the baby? Wanting a baby. Does it have to do with money?

[Sarah]

It has to do with neither a baby nor money. Isn't that interesting?

[Chelsea]

It is interesting. Does it have to do with, like, property?

[Sarah]

Nope. It has nothing to do with material gain.

[Chelsea]

Okay.

[Sarah]

Which I think is very interesting.

[Chelsea]

Is it just for them to, like, stop being fucking weird?

[Sarah]

No. Do you want me to tell you? Yes.

[Chelsea]

Just tell me. This is embarrassing.

[Sarah]

Okay, so the great thing.

[Chelsea]

I thought I couldn't be embarrassed, but I can.

[Sarah]

You're doing great. One of the great things about Rosemary's Baby that is a little bit subtle, I think, even, is that we establish that this is a couple, especially in the movie where the real estate is to die for, is that they are doing just fine for money. Because we know, especially in the book, that Guy has done this commercial that runs all the time, and so they have plenty of money from that. They rent this amazing apartment and are furnishing it, and so they're doing fine in terms of money. But Guy is an actor, and he really wants to, like, have respect because he's doing TV and commercials, but he wants to do theater.

[Chelsea]

Right.

[Sarah]

So he sells his wife and the use of her reproductive organs to the Satanists. Not for money or out of necessity or greed, which is somehow, like, more predictable based on the, I don't know, Faustian narratives that we've grown up hearing. Sure, but so that he can, like, be taken seriously off Broadway. God.

[Chelsea]

Horrible.

[Sarah]

Isn't that so real?

[Chelsea]

It's so real. It's so real and so yucky. It's somehow yuckier than many of the things that I guessed. You know, people are driven mad by the allure of fame, I suppose.

[Sarah]

Well, and not even fame necessarily as much as, like, being taken seriously as an artist, which is somehow more annoying to me.

[Chelsea]

Yeah, it is. Because it's like, if you want to be taken seriously, then just, like, do it. Do the serious work.

[Sarah]

Right. Don't make deals with Satanists.

[Chelsea]

And, like, if you can't get in, like, if you can't get the job, you might not be the best choice for the job, and you're just gonna get it. But, like, make the show suck. Like, is he also asking for the power of, like, being a better actor, or is it just, like, the. Like, he just wants Elaine to open up.

[Sarah]

There might be limits to this kind of thing. I don't know.

[Chelsea]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Yeah. But I just find that so embarrassing and. Yeah, that's just very real. Yeah.

[Chelsea]

The problem with me in horror is I really. I really max out in, like, the 70s, you know what I mean? Like, I really. And that's, like, so few movies. I'm just so anti. Old movie.

[Sarah]

You gotta watch some Hitchcock, man.

[Chelsea]

So, like, I'm just such a teenager in my taste to this very day.

[Sarah]

Yeah, you don't want to watch anything in black and white.

[Chelsea]

Oh, God, no. I really have very little class, and that's okay.

[Sarah]

Class. I have it and you don't.

[Chelsea]

And I just know you love Rosemary's Baby so much.

[Sarah]

I adore it.

[Miranda]

I know.

[Sarah]

Yeah. But that's okay. I enjoy explaining it perhaps even more.

[Chelsea]

I enjoy, like.

[Sarah]

Oh, my God, my refrigerator popped open somehow. It's beeping.

[Chelsea]

That's scary. Rosemary's Baby is here.

[Sarah]

The baby's in the refrigerator. Being waited to be put in a preheated oven.

[Chelsea]

Exactly.

[Sarah]

Okay, I'll be right back.

[Chelsea]

I put the baby in the fridge. The ritual is almost complete. I can't wait to draw on Sarah's floor. Put that baby on the floor. She's been gone longer than I expected, and I don't know where my joke is going.

[Sarah]

Hello. Hello. I hope to one day be in the woods with you and hear a twig breaking and go, it's Rosemary's baby.

[Chelsea]

It's just clomping through the forest.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chelsea]

No, it's a little baby on two legs.

[Sarah]

He's got two little stumpy legs.

[Chelsea]

It would be scary to see an infant walk.

[Sarah]

Yeah, it would be.

[Chelsea]

Well, like a very little.

[Sarah]

Unless they were like, a one year old. Yeah, I see.

[Chelsea]

No, a little. When does an infant cease to be one?

[Sarah]

I don't know. I don't know. I haven't learned.

[Chelsea]

Sound off in the comments.

[Sarah]

They don't have that in the back page of the composition book. You know, how many infants equal one baby? How many toddlers equal a youth?

[Chelsea]

Yeah, that's what I need to know.

[Sarah]

People need to know. Okay. Should I give you any points or. Or a partial point of any kind?

[Chelsea]

No. No.

[Sarah]

Okay. I'm writing a big X. I don't like to cheat. All right, Good for you.

[Chelsea]

I don't want sympathy.

[Sarah]

Okay. How many. We haven't covered this on the show, but for historical topics, our episodes with Dana Schwartz are great.

[Chelsea]

So good.

[Sarah]

How many of Henry VIII's wives did he have executed? He had six wives. How many died by execution?

[Chelsea]

Four.

[Sarah]

Good guess.

[Chelsea]

Okay, I want to say.

[Sarah]

Would you believe me if. Okay, yeah, take it. Take another. No, no, you go.

[Chelsea]

I want to go lower because I feel like the obvious one is like, he executed them all until there was only one.

[Sarah]

Right. Because that's what kids believe.

[Chelsea]

But it feels like.

[Sarah]

Because kids are always talking about the tutors. I know. I was.

[Chelsea]

Yeah, of course. And I should know this because I'm British and my family's probably, like, so mad at me.

[Sarah]

Are you. When you're saying he executed them all until there was only one, are you imagining he had many simultaneous wives?

[Chelsea]

No, I just mean, you know, he wanted a son, so he was like.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chelsea]

Plowing through the wives, trying to get the son because he wanted to divorce someone. Right.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Chelsea]

That was the whole thing.

[Sarah]

That happened a couple times.

[Chelsea]

Okay, so I'm going with two.

[Sarah]

Yes, that's correct.

[Chelsea]

Okay. Okay. Yeah.

[Sarah]

Two executions. Fantastic.

[Chelsea]

Thank you. Half a point.

[Sarah]

The mnemonic. You can Use to remember it, which is fun, is divorced, beheaded, died. Divorced, beheaded, survived.

[Chelsea]

Wow.

[Sarah]

I love that he had six wives. Three of them were named Catherine. Two of them were named Anne. Oh, yeah.

[Chelsea]

There was only, like, five names.

[Sarah]

Yeah. So, you know, divorce, beheaded, died, Divorced, beheaded, survived.

[Chelsea]

Boy, I really feel that I should know that, but I do love that. I love that device. And this is a really humbling day for me.

[Sarah]

I think you do. Look, you got that one. I think you're doing really good.

[Chelsea]

Yeah, I got second guess. It's all right. It's all right.

[Sarah]

That's still impressive. You know, a lot of people would have said six.

[Chelsea]

Thank you.

[Sarah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chelsea]

And I want everyone to be so nice to me.

[Sarah]

Everyone has to be really nice to Chelsea. They're being very brave today.

[Chelsea]

I'll quit podcasting. I'll quit. I'll quit right now.

[Sarah]

I'll set the building on fire. The wives of Henry VIII were Catherine of Aragon, Anne Boleyn, Jane Seymour, Anne of Cleves, Catherine Howard and Catherine Parr.

[Chelsea]

And may they rip in peace.

[Sarah]

Yes, may they. May they rip a brewski. We could do, like, tutors for newbies or something sometime. I think that could be fun.

[Chelsea]

That is fun. Yeah.

[Sarah]

Okay. What was the first year that a woman officially competed in the Boston Marathon?

[Chelsea]

Oh, my God. Oh, God. How. How could I know this? I don't know anything about marathons.

[Sarah]

I don't know, but you can guess. We did an episode on. On marathons. We called it Marathon Women.

[Chelsea]

Can you tell me when the Boston marathon started?

[Sarah]

The 20s or something? I don't know. A long time ago.

[Chelsea]

Okay.

[Miranda]

Okay.

[Sarah]

Back when we were having our very first trials of the century.

[Chelsea]

Okay. So probably the 20s it started because my guess was going to be the 20s, since there was so much like, you know, women were biking and shit, but they probably weren't letting women into competitions. So maybe I want to say 68.

[Sarah]

Okay, you're very close. The answer is 1972.

[Chelsea]

Okay. See, I was, you know, 72 was honestly actually in my head, and I was like, is that a little too late?

[Sarah]

Yeah, you were super close.

[Chelsea]

But, you know that's always how it is, right? It's always later than you think.

[Sarah]

Yeah. The first woman to register to compete and be allowed to compete in the Boston Marathon was Nina Cusick. Like, I guess said marathon.

[Chelsea]

Marathon.

[Sarah]

If I'm. Yeah. Chelsea, I've just run a marathon. Marathon day at the farm. Chelsea.

[Chelsea]

I love this character.

[Sarah]

See, Chelsea, I'm your. I'm your British house husband. Chelsea, I've made you some pasta.

[Chelsea]

I always think of Degrassi when people say pasta, because there's this, like, moment where Spinner, who's just like, the dumbest guy on the planet, is like, yeah.

[Sarah]

He's like, spinner. Yeah. What an idiot.

[Chelsea]

We have to have your mom's pasta or something. I wish I remember the exact.

[Sarah]

It's one of the wonderful things that Brits and Canadians share is saying pasta that way. I love it. Yeah.

[Chelsea]

It always surprises me.

[Sarah]

I love you guys.

[Chelsea]

Yep.

[Sarah]

Hail to the queen or whatever. I don't acknowledge the new guy.

[Chelsea]

Bloody thing. Those big old sausage fingers.

[Sarah]

This is like a family feud. We're gonna have to cut. Take time off your clock because I'm laughing so much. You ever see the Family Feud blooper where the question is, during what month of pregnancy does a woman begin to look pregnant? And the contestant says, september.

[Chelsea]

And Richard Dawson can't stop laughing for,

[Sarah]

like, a couple of minutes.

[Chelsea]

That is really funny.

[Sarah]

I love that. I love family feed bloopers.

[Chelsea]

Wait, who was the host at that time?

[Sarah]

Richard Dawson from Hogan's Heroes.

[Chelsea]

Okay. All right.

[Sarah]

Who kissed everyone, including minors? I'm pretty sure.

[Miranda]

Oh, I'm sure.

[Chelsea]

I'm sure.

[Sarah]

Buyer beware. Oh, I'll give you a bonus one.

[Chelsea]

Ooh.

[Sarah]

Is it true that an episode of Chuck Barris's the Newlywed Game, a contestant, when asked the question, this is verbatim. What's the most peculiar place you've ever had the urge to make whoopee? Is it true that one contestant said, in the ass?

[Chelsea]

I think it is.

[Sarah]

Yes, it is. That happened.

[Chelsea]

Yeah. It would be a really amazing question for you to make up on the spot and have the answer be false.

[Sarah]

Well, it was like an urban legend for a long time, and people kind of presumed it to probably not be true. And then someone was digging through all this footage.

[Chelsea]

Oh, yes.

[Sarah]

And found it. And it's like, the story that, again, was, I think, an urban myth for a long time that, like, Ted Turner had made an end of the world tape that was supposed to play when, like, the nuclear warheads were launched or whatever. And it was considered to be sort of like, oh, yeah, who knows? And then, like, an intern dug it up somehow one day.

[Chelsea]

I love that.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chelsea]

It's so wild how much shit is just, like, lost or in some random box. That is so.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chelsea]

Important to our collective knowledge.

[Sarah]

Sometimes the rumors are very close to the truth, actually. And it's a very interesting situation.

[Chelsea]

Collective memory can be a beautiful thing, and it can be a terrifying thing. So, yeah, goes either way. Like your personal memory, we're going to

[Sarah]

give you half a point for the Boston Marathon. And also I should point out, and we talk about this in the episode, that in 1966, Bobby Gibb completed the Boston Marathon. She ran unofficially on the course while it was happening. And Catherine Switzer registered as Kay Switzer in 1967 and ran the marathon. And also was there was at least an attempt to pull her off the course while she was running. Listen to the episode for more.

[Chelsea]

I love her. That's so cool.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Chelsea]

Wow.

[Sarah]

So. And then it took another five years for women to be allowed to enter.

[Miranda]

Yeah.

[Chelsea]

Well, there you go. I. I would like to say all I did was use cultural and political context clues to come up with that date.

[Sarah]

So what do you think about the fact that you could guess that that date was that late 19, 1972 being the correct answer?

[Chelsea]

It was like we were only kind of creating co ed colleges and letting people into.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chelsea]

These educational institutions, they were formally, not formerly, not allowed to be in. And you know, they're just like a lot of things were changing in the 60s. So I figured, know, let's go to the end of the decade and maybe they're letting someone in, but it is always just like three or four years later than I think. Like, I'm like, well, it couldn't, it has to be. It couldn't possibly be later than, than this. Right.

[Sarah]

It couldn't possibly. When I think it should be, as I like to point out, we had put human beings on the moon. Men, specifically.

[Chelsea]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Before women were allowed to run 26 miles around Boston.

[Chelsea]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Sarah]

I mean, I guess they could do that on their own time and no one would arrest them, but you know what I mean. Okay. Who opened Al Capone's vault?

[Chelsea]

My darling Geraldo.

[Sarah]

Your darling Geraldo. Exactly.

[Chelsea]

I want to be like, come back to the light, dude. Like.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chelsea]

I don't know.

[Sarah]

What's Heraldo's deal, Chelsea? In a nutshell?

[Chelsea]

I just, I don't know. I have a big soft spot for him, even though he's done so many bad things.

[Sarah]

I do too, in a weird way.

[Chelsea]

I know. I don't know what it is because

[Sarah]

he has unbridled enthusiasm.

[Chelsea]

I just, I would give him another chance.

[Sarah]

And, you know, and he's like, confessed to like, some pretty awful stuff, including sexual misconduct. And now I didn't know that.

[Miranda]

Fuck.

[Sarah]

I will say this about Geraldo. He was one of the only people who really sold the satanic panic hard, who then doubled Back in a very public way, like as a large public figure, and said I was wrong. I perhaps should not have done all of that.

[Chelsea]

Yeah, that was cool.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chelsea]

Maybe that's part of where my somewhat unfounded feelings come from.

[Sarah]

I think that there's a lot of categories of human nature, and there are people who've done some pretty awful things who are able to admit what they've done.

[Chelsea]

That's something.

[Sarah]

Yeah, that is something. So, yeah. Geraldo Rivera opened Al Capone's Vault. It was a live special. There was supposed to be cool stuff in it, and. Well, there wasn't.

[Chelsea]

It's so shocking to me that they didn't open it secretly first.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chelsea]

To see if it was worth opening. And then put on the pageantry.

[Sarah]

Well, you know, it's tv. It's a pure thing.

[Chelsea]

I know. I just feel like we. We wouldn't do that now. I feel like. But maybe we would.

[Sarah]

Yeah. I don't know. We would put it on a TikTok live.

[Chelsea]

I kind of think it was awesome that there was nothing in there. I think it taught us an important lesson, you know, I do, too.

[Sarah]

You can't meddle with history. Yeah. It taught us that when you have to things is probably what it taught us.

[Chelsea]

I guess so.

[Sarah]

Because we grew up in a TV world where that would be staged.

[Chelsea]

Absolutely. And just like that, sometimes there's nothing in there. Kind of like that part in Titanic where he opens the vault with the. You know, and there's just, like, a bunch of mud and garbage in there.

[Sarah]

Yeah. And that references Geraldo in that scene.

[Chelsea]

Oh, yeah. There you go.

[Sarah]

I always am annoyed that he doesn't pull up the sleeves on his beautiful sweater.

[Chelsea]

Oh, yeah. Fool. Paxton.

[Sarah]

Okay, let's see. You're doing great.

[Chelsea]

Thank you.

[Sarah]

Okay. Did people really pass out while seeing the Exorcist in theaters?

[Chelsea]

I mean, I'm gonna say I can't remember specifically, but I think. No, I think that that was a publicity stunt, but it's hard to say because it's like. Do we know for certain no one passed out? Because I know it was reported in the papers, but a lot was reported in the papers, especially when it comes to horror movies, because there are, like, a lot of showmen behind the scenes who are.

[Sarah]

Right. There's a lot of. Yeah, a lot of hype and a lot of, you know, promoters, which I love.

[Chelsea]

I love. I love.

[Sarah]

I love the gimmick, and we've talked about the William Castle gimmicks. And I was just watching one of my favorite MST3K movies, the Screaming Skull, where the gimmick is that if you die of fear while watching the movie, you get a free casket, which I think is quite a savings.

[Chelsea]

I love that. I know. And that is very. Yeah. Very Castle.

[Sarah]

Okay. So I always thought that, too. And then I did an episode on the Exorcist, and my guest Marlena Williams showed me a clip showing people actually passing out and talking about having passed out during the movie.

[Chelsea]

Okay.

[Sarah]

And so it did happen. Like, not en masse or anything, but it did happen to people. And it. And it is a lot less extreme when you see it.

[Chelsea]

Sure.

[Sarah]

Than when you hear about it, in a way, because I think it's also like people stumbling out of the theater feeling all shaky. And that was a movie if people haven't seen it. I do recommend it if horror is your thing, because it's not done in the vernacular of horror. It feels like a normal kind of 1970s drama about a family, and then it becomes horror. And I think that there was hype around it to the effect that it was so scary that you would feel like you were really seeing the devil.

[Chelsea]

Totally, totally. And it's so interesting, too, because, like, the idea of fainting is something that I've wanted to do an episode with you about that We've talked about, like, Victorian era fainting.

[Sarah]

I would love to talk about faint. Yeah. Because I wonder a lot about that and how much that's sort of a social construct about people getting more iron or something. Yeah.

[Chelsea]

And it, like, is, like, psychosomatic. It's weird. Yeah. It's like.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chelsea]

I mean, I guess it would be psychosomatic regardless.

[Sarah]

Or the idea of, like, urgh, is remaining the same but being shaped by, like, you know, the culture of the times.

[Chelsea]

Last Halloween, we just did an episode about, like, the Exorcist with what Went Wrong, which is a fantastic movie related podcast. But I really do feel like I should have known that because I did a lot of research and I have forgotten. But, you know, I've done so many of these types of episodes around horror movies and around the PR and hype that it all kind of bleeds together.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. And history keeps growing and changing, but

[Chelsea]

I love every minute of it. I just love horror movie publicity stunts. I love it.

[Sarah]

I do, too. That would be. I know you've done episodes that are about a lot of that, but that would be a fun thing to return to. Yeah.

[Chelsea]

It would be to kind of, like, have them all side by side rather than.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chelsea]

You know, Episode based. Yeah.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Okay. Didn't Marie Antoinette say, let them eat cake?

[Chelsea]

Well, I sure hope so.

[Sarah]

Oh, yeah.

[Chelsea]

I mean, I just feel like that's so repeated, and it's making me think that the answer must be no, or else you wouldn't be asking it. I'm cheating.

[Sarah]

No, you're not. You're being strategic.

[Chelsea]

I'm gonna say no.

[Sarah]

Yeah, you're correct. She did not.

[Chelsea]

Hell, yeah.

[Sarah]

It was, like a phrase that had been passed around referring to royalty for, I think, at least 100 years. It had been applied to other people. It was the kind of thing that, like, felt true but was not actually true.

[Chelsea]

Okay, so it was being said.

[Sarah]

Yeah, it was said of other royals before her. It was kind of a thing that was, I think, applied to whatever royal was at hand when the economy got bad, which it was very bad during her reign. But she also, you know, and I love Antonia Fraser's biography of her that, you know, she's a great writer, and this explains it really well. I think that, like. Like, based on the structure of the royalty that she was in, she had no actual power and sort of socially no recognition as someone who should be governing in any way.

[Chelsea]

Sure, sure.

[Sarah]

And interestingly, if you read about, for example, Madame de Pompadour, I think during that time and previously, it was more acceptable for the king's mistress to advise on matters of state than for his wife to do so because her job was having babies.

[Chelsea]

Okay.

[Sarah]

And Ran Tonette appears to have been like, someone who, like, fundamentally had no role in government and had no idea how to fix anything, but was very sentimental and kind to people as individuals, much like Ronald Reagan.

[Chelsea]

I gotta bring an old Ronnie Reagan, don't we?

[Sarah]

Yep, we always do. That's the only Reagan reference you're gonna get.

[Chelsea]

All right.

[Sarah]

You can give me more. Oh, okay. Well, I don't have any, but maybe I'll find one. Okay, so great. Why don't you get a point for that?

[Chelsea]

I get a point for my strategic. Yeah, I mean, I think that that makes so much sense that it's, you know, it's like. Weren't you and I at the Lloyd center before it closed in Portland and there was.

[Sarah]

It hasn't closed yet. It's Gonna Close on August 8th. Please come before it does. Save the Lloyd ice rink.

[Chelsea]

Okay. We can go have, like, a back rooms moment.

[Sarah]

Yeah, please visit.

[Chelsea]

I loved it there. But no, it. It was like some ridiculous quote, and then it said that it was Marilyn Monroe or something like that, and we just immediately doesn't seem like she said that. And it's like, giant painted on the wall, and it's just so funny.

[Sarah]

Well, every quote has been attributed to Marilyn Monroe. Pain. I feel like you could see, like, a greeting card one day that says, like, I think, therefore I am Marilyn Monroe.

[Chelsea]

Which is so, like, random that Marilyn Monroe has become, like, quote, queen, the

[Sarah]

sage of our times. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's like the Buddha. I don't know.

[Chelsea]

Yeah, I'll take it.

[Sarah]

Okay, back to Tanya Harding for a second In a televised special on Fox. Who did Tonya Harding box?

[Chelsea]

Oh.

[Sarah]

In 2002. This is a boxing match between Tanya Harding and another woman.

[Chelsea]

I freaking know what you're talking about. I watched it.

[Sarah]

Tell me how it was.

[Chelsea]

Oh, oh, I'm not gonna remember.

[Sarah]

Oh, you're dying.

[Chelsea]

It's like I just actually wrote something about this.

[Sarah]

Think of the maligned women of the 90et 90s.

[Chelsea]

Can you give me a hint?

[Miranda]

Okay.

[Sarah]

Clinton.

[Chelsea]

Chelsea.

[Sarah]

Oh, you wish.

[Chelsea]

I know, right? That would be so amazing. Clinton. Is it Monica Lewinsky?

[Sarah]

No, there's no way. But great guess. I mean, that would be. Monica's a little bit too much of an indoor girl for that, I suspect.

[Chelsea]

Clinton. Clinton. Clinton.

[Miranda]

I don't know.

[Chelsea]

I don't think I'm gonna get it.

[Sarah]

Okay. Paula Jones.

[Chelsea]

Oh, wow. Okay. No, I wouldn't have ever guessed that, I don't think. But I did watch it when it came out.

[Sarah]

How was it?

[Chelsea]

I don't remember. Well, because I came. It was. I was, like, 12.

[Sarah]

This has been very informative. Yeah. I'll tell you what. Tonya Harding just dominated in that match.

[Chelsea]

Oh, I bet.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Because she was boxing at the time, which is very impressive generally. And also because she had as asthma.

[Miranda]

Wow.

[Sarah]

And still does.

[Miranda]

Wow.

[Sarah]

Polly Jones being someone who was involved in what we in the 90s called a sex scandal, which in this case meant that she had made credible allegations of sexual assault against Bill Clinton. And so we thought, hey, let's make him box wild.

[Chelsea]

So very. Like you said, it was the year 2000. Right.

[Sarah]

2002.

[Chelsea]

2002. Wow. Wow.

[Sarah]

We're gonna give you half a point for saying Monica Lewinsky. All right, all right. We did an episode on Clinton and Lewinsky and a little bit of Paula Jones long ago on the show. And you can listen to that one, too. I'm giving you some summer recommendations as part of what I'm after here.

[Chelsea]

Yeah. Revisit these. So good.

[Sarah]

Speaking of past episodes, we did one on the exploding Pinto. A lot of these. As many of you already know are with Michael Hobbs, who is, I hope, having a day by the pool as we speak.

[Chelsea]

I hope so, too.

[Sarah]

The Pinto is the much maligned alleged exploding car. Listen to the episode. But regardless of how the story goes, I think you can agree it has nothing on the cyber truck, which is made of knives and also catches on fire. And also that allegedly raccoons have tried to break into because it looks like a dumpster.

[Chelsea]

Really? That's so funny. What a dumb bitch.

[Sarah]

I love it. So what year did the Pinto, which is a little economy car, go into production?

[Chelsea]

1970.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Chelsea]

What?

[Sarah]

Yes. Wow.

[Chelsea]

That was a pretty wild guess.

[Sarah]

I'm gonna give you two points for that, for how quickly you pulled that out of wherever you did.

[Chelsea]

I knew that, like, that whole controversy happened in the 70s, but I didn't know when it, like, went into production.

[Sarah]

Well, you did great. Yeah, it was first produced in the. In late 1970. The first model year was 1971.

[Chelsea]

If there's one thing I know, it's exploding.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Gosh, that's true. Okay, Kelsey, guess what. You have five minutes remaining on the clock.

[Chelsea]

Okay. All right.

[Sarah]

All right, we're entering the lightning Lightning round.

[Chelsea]

Okay, I'm ready.

[Sarah]

All right, Kelsey, for the next minute, I want you to name maligned women. Go.

[Chelsea]

Tanya Harding. Monica Lewinsky.

[Sarah]

Yes. Good.

[Chelsea]

Oh, dear. Oh, this is where I do not thrive. This is insane. Oh, no.

[Sarah]

Just breathe.

[Chelsea]

Being timed.

[Sarah]

Just let your mind drift through the 90s.

[Chelsea]

Okay,

[Sarah]

you have 30 seconds.

[Chelsea]

This is so fucked up.

[Sarah]

Think about various women who were hot back then and I still know.

[Chelsea]

I know. I mean, Britney Spears.

[Sarah]

Yes. Good.

[Chelsea]

Okay, great, great. Oh, I'm going back into pop. Okay, Britney spears. Let's say JLo for that dress.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Let's say 10 seconds.

[Chelsea]

So dark. Wow. Oh, my God.

[Sarah]

Okay, you can do one more. One more, one more.

[Chelsea]

Put me out of my freaking misery right now. This is so bad. I panic. I panic. Jlo. Where did that come from? I know. I'm saying, like, what was that freaking Jayla like? You were.

[Sarah]

You were trying. You were going for it. Okay, we're gonna. Look, look, Listen, Chelsea, we're gonna give you three and a half points because I think Shayla might be a stretch.

[Chelsea]

Lindsay Lohan. Yeah, there you go. You know what?

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chelsea]

Mary Kate Olsen. Mary Kate Olsen. Mary Kate Olsen. Mary Kate Olsen.

[Sarah]

Yep.

[Chelsea]

Ashley didn't catch any heat.

[Sarah]

Not. Yeah, I mean, I would say some, but not nearly as much, somehow. Okay, you know what? Full point for JLo. I'm going to give you six points okay. Incredible.

[Chelsea]

Make it seem like I did better producers.

[Miranda]

All right.

[Sarah]

Okay. Now, we got a couple minutes. I'm going to ask you. How about. Well, however many more questions we can do might just be one.

[Miranda]

Okay.

[Sarah]

What year did the first state criminalize stalking? The first state in the United States

[Chelsea]

of America criminalized stalking.

[Sarah]

When did stalking become a crime?

[Chelsea]

I want to say, like, 1980. Is that, like, so far off?

[Sarah]

It's not that far off.

[Miranda]

Okay.

[Sarah]

It's farther off than I would like, though.

[Chelsea]

Okay. I'm thinking then maybe even later, like, 90. 1990.

[Sarah]

Yes, 1990.

[Chelsea]

Oh, great. Okay. That's a good point, baby.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chelsea]

I mean, that's absolutely unhinged, as most things are when you ask when they started.

[Sarah]

Pertaining to women, particularly, of course.

[Chelsea]

Absolutely.

[Sarah]

Sexual assault and prosecution thereof. Of. And what state? Would you guess?

[Chelsea]

O. What state? California.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Chelsea]

Awesome.

[Sarah]

Yep. And it was illegal everywhere. Every state had some kind of a law. By 1994, it was also criminalized federally. I don't know if criminalized is quite the right term, but you know what I mean?

[Chelsea]

Great job, guys.

[Sarah]

Yeah. But, yeah, before 1990 or before the late 80s, we were like, go.

[Chelsea]

Go for it. Go, Ham.

[Sarah]

Just follow women around. What bad could come of it? So just to say that the rights we have are inalienable or whatever, but we need the law to reflect that as well. And a lot of things aren't there that should be there, but we have to put them there. Let's get out there and have some fun. I want to see energy.

[Chelsea]

Hell, yeah.

[Sarah]

And okay. All right, final question.

[Chelsea]

Gulp.

[Sarah]

We all know that Long island teenager Amy Fisher once shot Long island housewife Mary Jo Buttafuoco for reasons that we explore in our episode on Amy Fisher, who is very maligned and who was just a teenager.

[Miranda]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

And whose surprise was abused by an adult man. Oh.

[Chelsea]

I'd like to add Lorena Babbitt back to my maligned women.

[Sarah]

Oh, you just get to add maligned women in whenever you feel like it now. Okay. Bobbitt, by the way.

[Miranda]

All right.

[Sarah]

I think of that case whenever I see a big bite container. No, no, you get seven. You get seven. Guess for spunkiness. You get seven.

[Chelsea]

I'm thinking of Jamie Babbitt, famous lesbian director.

[Sarah]

Oh, yeah, but I'm a cheerleader, right?

[Chelsea]

That's right.

[Sarah]

What a legend. Okay. Many years later, Mary Jo Buttafuoco, the wife of Joey Buttafuoco, the man who had been abusing Amy Fisher, wrote a memoir. What was that memoir called?

[Chelsea]

I mean, I have no idea. Let's see, I'm gonna come up with, like, a good memoir name, so. And it's not like, my story, my life. Let's see. Picking up the pieces.

[Sarah]

Oh, that's very good.

[Chelsea]

All right, what do we got? I have no idea.

[Sarah]

Okay. All right. Getting it through my thick skull.

[Miranda]

Wow.

[Sarah]

Why I stayed, what I learned, and what millions of people involved with sociopaths need to know.

[Miranda]

Wow.

[Sarah]

God bless this woman.

[Chelsea]

Seriously. That's cool. I would have never got. That was a very long title that I wouldn't have gotten, but that is.

[Sarah]

Oh, And I expected you to divine it with your knowledge of the spirit

[Chelsea]

world, but I love it.

[Sarah]

I'm gonna give you half a point for guessing. Okay. Kelsey, I think you did amazing.

[Chelsea]

That's really generous of you and I appreciate that.

[Sarah]

Well, I had a really fun conversation.

[Chelsea]

It was really fun. And, yeah, I mean, it's like one of those things where, like, I research until my soul is like one of those little guys in the Little Mermaid, you know, in Ursula's cave.

[Sarah]

Oh, yeah.

[Chelsea]

And then I forget it all because it just don't fit.

[Sarah]

No, it don't all fit.

[Chelsea]

But I am better at, like, the context clues. Like, I can use my knowledge of history to pinpoint where I would think that something happened. But then if I'm being timed about much maligned women, which I care deeply about, it just all. It just. It's like. It's like there's a towel stuffed in my brain and there's no room. I just freak out. But thank you. This was so fun, regardless, and very humbling. And I'll definitely be back when you want to have me. Or maybe I'll make up some for you. Yeah, you can go through this. You're going to be good at it, though.

[Sarah]

Would you like to hear how you did?

[Chelsea]

Yeah, you're going to be good at it.

[Sarah]

Well, guess what?

[Chelsea]

You're gonna be better than me at it.

[Sarah]

Okay, but, Chelsea, relax, because remember how you had a possible 20 points?

[Chelsea]

Okay, yes, you have scored 20 and

[Sarah]

a half points,

[Chelsea]

so that means I win.

[Sarah]

Yeah, you do. And we get to high five with gunpowder in our hands.

[Chelsea]

Oh, fun. Okay, that's great. And also, I'd like to say, Sarah, if you feel too scared to do it, I won't make you do it.

[Sarah]

No, I'll do it.

[Chelsea]

I promise you'll be okay.

[Sarah]

But then no one gets to pop a balloon around me for the next 10 years.

[Chelsea]

It's a rule.

[Sarah]

I don't pop balloons. I like to put a pin in them and Deflate them gently.

[Chelsea]

Oh, yeah, of course. I definitely can see that.

[Sarah]

Uncle Mo, my teeth hurt. My sodi is too cold. Yeah, go on.

[Chelsea]

I feel like I'll pop a balloon if I wanted to be quiet. Just like with my teeth.

[Sarah]

Wow.

[Chelsea]

And you just kind of section it off. Like you do it right at the little. The little nipple.

[Sarah]

You're like Davy Crockett.

[Chelsea]

Yep, that's right.

[Sarah]

Born on a mountaintop in Tennessee. Bit off balloons with only his teeth.

[Chelsea]

I am the king of the wild frontier. That's right. That's right.

[Sarah]

Kill you a bear when you were only three.

[Chelsea]

I, like, had next door neighbors when I was growing up who had, like, very Christian parents. So we were not allowed to watch. We weren't allowed to watch Rugrats at their house because one time we saw a baby's bottom. That's insane.

[Sarah]

Insane.

[Chelsea]

That. I know.

[Sarah]

I know.

[Chelsea]

It was insane. It's the same.

[Sarah]

Religious kids are being forced to take care of infants all the time.

[Chelsea]

No kidding. I know, but it's like, not a cartoon. Not.

[Sarah]

Not Tommy Pickles, but how many infants equal a baby? Yeah.

[Chelsea]

So we had to only watch that movie, the Disney. Oh, Davy Crockett movie.

[Sarah]

Wow.

[Chelsea]

And yet I remember nothing about it.

[Sarah]

You know, I confused Davy Crockett and Daniel Boone, and it's very confusing because I think they both killed bears. Probably

[Chelsea]

sounds right.

[Sarah]

So, Chelsea, you have a record setting 20.5 points out of 20 of an A plus. What are you gonna do with the rest of your day?

[Chelsea]

You were, let's say, very generous in the points that you gave me, and I. I think you wanted me to win, and I appreciate that.

[Sarah]

I did want you to win.

[Chelsea]

What am I doing? I'm gonna barbecue.

[Sarah]

Oh, that's lovely.

[Chelsea]

Barbecue some veggie dogs with some friends of mine. I have some friends here. I just got my very first real tattoos from the amazing.

[Sarah]

I'm the only untattooed person on the planet Earth.

[Chelsea]

Yeah, I know. And it's from my good friend who is an art. An incredible artist, Christopher Michael Hefner. Check out his art. And he gave me a horseshoe with my. With the word grandpa under it and a rose with the word granny under it. That was my. I just want to, you know, get. Have memorial tattoos of my two favorite people that are no longer with us. So that was a lovely thing I just did. And now we're all going to hang and eat some veggie dogs and a little pasta salad that Miranda's going to make. It all comes full circle.

[Sarah]

Chelsea, what's wrong. You have hardly touched your pasta. I'm obsessed with being like your Hugh Grant boyfriend character now. I just really love that.

[Chelsea]

I like it. You're gonna have to be really, like, bumbling and, like, very overwhelmed at all times.

[Sarah]

Well, I think I'm, like, so upper crust that I. I just.

[Chelsea]

I'm utterly bewitched by you. You sounded a little like cockney just now.

[Sarah]

I'm trying.

[Chelsea]

We need to work on your queens.

[Sarah]

I'm just, like, piecing this accent together from like, a thousand different Midsummer murders. Does anyone in your family watch Midsummer Murders?

[Chelsea]

I bet my granny did.

[Sarah]

Yep. Yeah, my mom has watched every Midsummer murder. It's about a lovely, well adjusted man who investigates murders in tiny English villages, which, as we all know, have eight murders a week generally. And he's extremely well adjusted. And he has a wife who I think is named Joyce, and they just have a nice time. He's just like, well, another eight murders.

[Chelsea]

Sounds boring.

[Sarah]

It's great, though. There's something, I think, I assume that this is not just a genre convention, but a true thing about the British soul that, like, when everyone is being murdered around, you're like, well, gotta have a cuppa.

[Chelsea]

That's absolutely true. In my family. We all are. Yes. We are all tea drinkers.

[Sarah]

I think that was basically how World War II worked.

[Chelsea]

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Much tea to be had.

[Sarah]

Out of curiosity.

[Chelsea]

Yes.

[Sarah]

Because I would love for you to have me on for an American Hysteria lightning round and ask questions of, like, you know, topics that are the kind of thing your show handles and also that have come up on your episodes. What is a sample maybe of the questions that you have for me?

[Chelsea]

Okay.

[Sarah]

Okay. Kelsey, I love your questions.

[Chelsea]

Okay. All right, all right, all right, let me think. Oh, I got one that you could maybe get yet, because we've both done episodes about this.

[Sarah]

All right.

[Chelsea]

What year did the Oscar streaking happen?

[Sarah]

Oh, my gosh. Oh, Lord. 1973. I think it was 74.

[Chelsea]

It was 74. Yep.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Chelsea]

Which I say is the year everything happened.

[Sarah]

That is the year everything happened.

[Chelsea]

Yeah. I have a theory about 1974 as a banner year.

[Sarah]

Yeah, I think that's probably true. Great.

[Chelsea]

So, yeah, great. You were, like, right there. You know, I feel like that's the full point.

[Sarah]

It's uncanny.

[Miranda]

Really?

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chelsea]

You did a great job.

[Sarah]

Thank you.

[Chelsea]

Kelsey, what are you gonna do?

[Sarah]

I'm gonna take a big walk and I'm gonna finish listening to Joe Mantegna read Get Shorty.

[Chelsea]

Oh, great.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chelsea]

You've been doing some great reading.

[Sarah]

Lately, I've been doing some great reading, and I include audiobooks in that, which is 90% of my reading. Reading.

[Chelsea]

Audiobooks count. Don't let anyone tell you they don't.

[Sarah]

They do. They have. I. Yeah. And I'm telling that for people who may think they don't. They do.

[Chelsea]

I'm a kinetic learner, you know, what

[Sarah]

does that mean exactly?

[Chelsea]

Like, I need to be moving. I learn better if I'm, like, moving at the same time.

[Sarah]

Yeah, me too. Yes, I agree with that.

[Chelsea]

It's like learning by doing.

[Miranda]

Totally.

[Chelsea]

Which is not exact. I don't know if it's exactly the right word for this, but I'm using it.

[Sarah]

Yeah, I'll take it. All right. Yeah. And I. I don't know. I enjoy doing this with you. I. It was fun to kind of revisit past top and think about little bits of them that I find interesting as facts that have been sort of forgotten or misremembered or the type of thing that is easily misremembered. And I've been doing the show, and you and I have been. You've been coming on the show for a long time, and the show has existed for eight years now. Yeah. Somehow.

[Miranda]

Somehow.

[Sarah]

And I love, as you know, misinformation. Find so many ways to travel faster and bigger. Just continuing to talk about. About stuff with you and talk about facts and also to talk about how we need to give ourselves some credit as people who do get tricked sometimes, partly because everyone is trying to trick us.

[Chelsea]

Yeah. Yep. Absolutely.

[Sarah]

And then there's human error, and that's a big one, too. But we're just. I don't know. I really enjoy this kind of, like, nostalgic approach. And I love doing shows with you. I love the Patreon episodes we've done recently on dolls and doll culture.

[Chelsea]

It's been really fun. Fun.

[Sarah]

And mail we've received from people about things they made into dolls as a kid. I also wanted to say, just generally, to thank anyone who's supporting us on Patreon or Apple plus, which I find awkward to say because it's like Apple plus subscriptions, and for a long time I did not know where the plus went. But to thank anyone who's supporting us and also anyone who's not supporting us, because everything costs $10 million. And I. I'm honored and amazed that we still have people who want to pay to support this podcast and thank you for doing it. And also, if you have to cancel, that's always okay.

[Chelsea]

Absolutely.

[Sarah]

You gotta put food on your Family. To quote George W. Bush, you're all stars. You're all stars.

[Chelsea]

You're on the select softball team. Of you're wrong about.

[Sarah]

Of.

[Miranda]

Blank.

[Sarah]

West. Of. You're wrong about west. Wow, wow, wow.

[Chelsea]

I never thought I'd be able to talk about that team publicly.

[Sarah]

You're really breaking boundaries. I can only hear that song in a Cartman voice.

[Chelsea]

That's funny.

[Sarah]

Let me take you to the W. Wicked, wicked wild, wild west Stay, stay away from the lightning strikes. Chelsea, have a good night.

[Chelsea]

Can't wait to slap palms with you and watch our hands explode.

[Miranda]

Oh, no.

[Chelsea]

Thank you, Sarah.

[Sarah]

Thank you, Chelsea.

[Miranda]

And that is our episode. Thank you so much for listening and thank you for playing along. If I could have one wish, it would be to hear all of you listing maligned women for 30 seconds. And by the way, if you enjoyed

[Sarah]

our previous episode where.

[Miranda]

Where we asked you to send in voice memos about what you love, we're

[Sarah]

doing another one like that.

[Miranda]

We have a Halloween listener special coming up. As you probably know, we are a pretty Halloweeny show. We like to do something to commemorate the occasion every year. And this year we decided to ask you for your Halloween stories and reminiscences and also for any scary, spooky stories that you might have, however you interpret that prompt. We want to hear wholesome Halloween. We want to hear what you remember about growing up with whatever Halloween is like for you and your family, your community. And also, if you want to send us a scary story to tell in the dark, send us that too. We're taking them all, so send us a voice memo, three minutes or less. I recommend using the voice memo app on the iPhone or the equivalent on whatever phone you have. Just hold it up about a hand's length away from your face. And I know it's hard to keep it down to three minutes or under, but we just gotta listen to them all and it's the only way we can do it. So send that to sloppyandalivemail.com S, L O P P Y A N D A L I v e all1wordmail.com and we will listen, listen to them all and love them all. And then we will put together an episode with some of our favorites and put it out at Halloween. And we can't wait to hear your stories and your memories. And please get those to us by the end of August, which I think is a pretty scary month as well, because, I don't know, it's. It's. When the Texas Chainsaw Massacre takes place, It's a scary time. If you want to listen to our bonus episodes, of course you can always do that at apple+ and on patreon patreon.com yarrongabout and in our current episode, me and Kitchen correspondent Sarah Archer are reading your letters about cake and a good time is had by all. Thank you to Kelsey Weber Smith for getting into my Saw Trap with me. Listen to American Hysteria and get it wherever you find good podcasts. Thank you to the people who helped make this show. Miranda Zickler is our producer and editor and Nicole Ortiz is our administrative assistant. And thank you for listening, for being here, and for being exactly who you are. We'll see you in two weeks.