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I had originally I had wanted to replace my full time income completely. You know, I'm a product owner in a software engineering firm, so it's, it's a pretty good income and I quickly realized that I didn't have enough time outside of working hours to make that happen. And so I kind of pulled back on that. And I will tell you right now, I'm making three, four times less than I was when we did our previous interview.
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Hello and welcome to this week's episode of the Creators Hub podcast. I'm so excited today to be joined, joined by a friend, a also a fellow creator. And now which we're going to be talking about this today, a full time creator. We're going to be talking to David about his decision to go full time as a creator. You probably recognize his face and his voice as I have had him here on the podcast before. But so many people in our mastermind group were so interested in the decision that David recently made about going full time as a creator that I know there's tons of you out there who want to hear this conversation about what it took as far as the conversations that he had with his family. What did he weigh? The pros and the cons. And we're going to be covering all of that today. So even if you're not thinking about going full time, I think there's going to be some tidbits in this conversation that you're going to want to hear. So, David, how are you doing today, my friend?
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A
I am doing wonderful.
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B
Well, I am, number one, congratulations. I want to say it publicly here on the airwaves so everyone can hear. It is a, it is both a wonderful feeling and a absolutely terrifying one at the same time. So I'm, I'm, I'm with you there. I know exactly what you're going through, the nerves, the conversations. And I'll be honest with you, David, I wish I could tell you it gets better, but it doesn't because there's always going to be that doubt of did I make the right decision or oh, last year was good, but is this year going to be as good as it, you know, previous years? So we'll talk about all of that really quickly. Want to mention, if you're a creator and you want support, uh, take a look at some of the services that we offer down below. We have a mastermind group. David's a part of that group. I offer one on one coaching. I do YouTube channel reviews. So just quickly go check that out if you haven't already. So with that said, let's just talk about it here. When did the conversation start? Maybe even internally, not even having them publicly with your family just yet. When did you start thinking to yourself, okay, I may be able to do this thing full time?
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Well, to be honest, I. That was the plan. I started as a blog for acrylic paint, which is what you see me here. And I always wanted to do this full. And the blog didn't out as well as I hoped it would. But because this visual art form got into YouTube, you know, the blog started in 19. I got into YouTube.
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B
Hey, David. Yeah, David, real quick. The audio for some reason is kind of coming in and out.
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A
Hold on one second here.
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What microphone are you using? Oh yeah, it's using your headset as the microphone.
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A
It's using the short. Let me change it.
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No, it's not your fault. I just. I knew. I knew that didn't sound like what I knew it should sound like.
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A
Let me pop in here. Oh, yeah, totally changed. I changed that.
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Here's what we'll do. I'm going to stop recording.
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A
So going full time was always the plan. I actually started this as a blog in 2019ish. And because I'm doing acrylic paint pouring, you can see it behind me here. It's a very visual art. And so quickly I realized that I needed to go into YouTube. And the first couple years of YouTube I treated this kind of as a side project. It was the side gig that I was building up to be able to go full time. And so that was always the goal. I never had enough time to do it though. So that's really where, where today comes in. I have talked to my wife that, you know, that was always my plan. My wife never agreed to that plan. So those conversations actually started years ago, probably 2021. She is, she is the very careful one. And I am the let's jump off a cliff because it sounds fun type of person. So we've had these conversations over and over and over again. And so, yeah, this is something I've always wanted to do is work for myself. I have lots of ideas, not just this channel. I have a bunch of other channel ideas, but I need a jumping board. So being able to go full time with this channel hopefully will give me the springboard I need to do some of the other things that I want to get into.
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B
Were there any metrics that you were looking at on the back end, whether it be monetary or analytics about views on the current channel? That was kind of proof of concept for you that you kind of had in your head of like, okay, if I can get here or if I can see the proof in this, then I'll definitely go, you know, make this jump. Were there anything of that nature?
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Yeah, I had, I had originally I had wanted to replace my full time income completely. You know, I'm a product owner in a software engineering firm. So it's, it's a pretty good income. And I quickly realized that I didn't have enough time outside of working hours to make that happen and so I kind of pulled back on that. And I will tell you right now I'm making three, four times less than I was when we did our previous interview. However, the aggravation of corporate America just become greater than the uncertainty of YouTube. So I know I can do it. I mean two, two years ago, two and a half years ago when we talked, I was making great money part time. And now that I have the time, I'm positive that I can turn this into something else. A little, a little bit different. Also for me is I, AI has allowed me to create an app for acrylic paint pouring which I'll be launching here shortly, which I think will even will be my primary revenue source. And YouTube is really, at this point just an advertisement, will be an advertisement avenue for me. So the AI kind of kicked those plans into to high gear the last, I don't know, two months or so.
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B
So I think that's an important point to lean into is that YouTube is a part of this and YouTube is a big part of this for you. But it's what I tell most creators of, you know, the old mantra of not putting all of your eggs into one basket. You already have the plan of the app, you already almost have it developed, it's about to be released. And so, you know, there's a need for it because you're in. And so then we're just using the YouTube channel as a vehicle to get people there, right? Whether you know that the freebies from those videos to get them there. And I think that's the power of YouTube. And if you want to go full time on YouTube having a plan that is beyond just the, the video side of things, of people think of monetizing on YouTube. Right, David? And all they think about is ad revenue or getting accepted in the partner program. But if you really want to take this, there's a reason why I don't just rely on my tech tutorial YouTube channel now. It makes me really good money. I'm not going to Sit here and deny that. But there's a reason why I love doing this podcast. And I do coaching and I do other things that are a part of my entrepreneurial umbrella, whatever you want to call it. So maybe speak on that of how important it is to know that YouTube is a major cog in that wheel. But it can't just be the only one.
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A
Yeah, absolutely. So, I mean, YouTube. Right now I'm making about 5, 6, 700, depending on the month on YouTube ads. And that obviously isn't enough to live on. However, I'm getting, you know, 3, 4, 5,000 views per video. And I have a couple videos that are almost at a million views at this point. And they have just been kind of snowballing over time. And right now it's the attention that YouTube really gives me that I couldn't get other. The blog kind of failed at. Yes, I did get to, I don't know, 15,000 page views for a month or something like that on the, on the blog. But it never made money and I couldn't convert those people into. Into some of the products that I was doing before. YouTube, on the other hand, is perfect for getting those people 1. Finding the right people. That's really where the beauty of YouTube. They find the people that, you know, in my case, it's acrylic pour artists that have started because so many people have started, have gotten interested and now want to become kind of the hobbyist acrylic paint pores. And I target those guys directly with these YouTube videos. And that allows me to not only help them for free, but those that are interested to get additional support. Kind of like your, you know, I'm in your Mastermind and the Discord. And I can get additional support and I can help them additionally for, you know, whatever the. It's. If it's the app, if it's a course, if it's a membership, things like that. So YouTube is. It's very important. And YouTube also gave me the little bit of money that I needed to get a new camera and to get lights and to create the studio. I mean, I say studio, but it's a room in my house. But I had to paint the room and, you know, I had to buy resources to do. To do YouTube. So YouTube is really the little engine that lets me get to where I really want to be.
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B
Yeah, don't worry about calling your room a studio. I've been doing it for over a decade now. You know, my wife will hear me on the phone or texting someone or replying to an email and she'll be like, did you just tell them when you get back in your studio? We have a studio? I'm like, yeah, it's, it's the bedroom where I have all my gear set up. That's what the studio is. And that there's nothing wrong with that. Part time, full time. That's probably not going to change now that you're not working the 40 plus hours in corporate America, as you mentioned previously. What, how are you going to structure your day? Have you thought about the things now of where you're going to put your time now that you do have that to give?
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Yeah, I mean today was actually my first day without a corporate job. So this morning I got up, I did my, my research because generally I need to find good video ideas. I need to, I need to do my development work for the app. But I try and do that later in the day because it's very focused and it's not, it's not creative, it's task oriented, you know what I mean? So I want to do my creative work in the morning and then I'm going to get my workout in, you know, lunch, do the task that my wife wants to do in the middle of the day and then I'm a, I'm a night owl. So I'm, you know, three, four to the wee hours of the morning. I'm working on my app or website or, you know, I actually run a couple of websites, one for my mom and a couple other things that I work on. So that's, that's kind of where the structure, all the creative work's got to happen in the morning though, before I get, before, you know, my brain goes into overload.
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What were and are the pros and cons of this? Because when I am working with creators and they're on the fence or they're preparing to do this, make this jump that you just made. We make a list and we talk about pros and cons. Can you talk about yours and break those down maybe so the audience can hear that they're not the only ones going through this when they're thinking about this move.
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Yeah. So the con, I mean the biggest con, and I'll start with that right now, is insurance. Honestly, having corporate America insurance is especially for a good company. You know, I worked for a good company, I, I wish them no ill will, but it doesn't, it pales in comparison to be able to work on my own, but being able to get insurance and being trust that that insurance is going to work. I actually have a health savings account that I have quite a bit of money. And now that we've been stashing away that we're going to use, you know, I essentially, I have a year that I've given myself. We have a year of income, a year of, you know, health. Health insurance that I have to make this work. So that was the biggest one. The second one is just the anxiety of my wife as, As a con. You know, she. She's the. The one that worries about everything. And, And I'm so grateful for that, that she does, because that's not. I mean, I. I worry about my family, but I also am kind of a. I can see what's possible. And so that's where I'm looking. Not at what could go wrong. And some of the great things is just the freedom. I can't tell you how nice it was to wake up this morning and go, I don't have to go to that job. I get to do what I want. And what I want is to make money. And I enjoy doing, you know, make money with paint pouring and I enjoy doing it. So that, I mean, I knew that was going to be the case, but this morning it really cemented how important that freedom really is.
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Yeah, go ahead, keep going.
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Oh, I was just going to say that, that also I've been doing this now for seven years and a couple of those years I was making, you know, a third of the. My corporate income. So I know it's possible. I just didn't have the time to dedicate to it. So the. I can absolutely see the light and it's not at the end of the tunnel because at this point I can. I've done it for so long. It's. It's really the sunrise, you know, I can see the sunrise and I'm just waiting for all of that that I know can happen to come. Come my way.
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I love hearing you talk about it. It excites me for you. I get pumped up when other people are able to make this jump because I know the freedom that it'll give. And there'll be people listening to this, thinking, man, I'm so far away from that. What would you say to those people?
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It's work. I mean, like I say, I've been doing this for, you know, on the side for, for years. And what you have to look for is what you can control. I know you and you and I. Not you and I, but in the, in the community and in your talking to other people, they always talk about you gotta control what you can control. You can't control the views, but you can control the consistency and the minor increases in quality of your work every day. You can control your time. You know, you gotta focus on the things that you can control. If you do that, especially with YouTube, it astounds me what works on YouTube. Almost anything can work. You just gotta find. Find what that is for you. And I think that it's that it's those little things. You gotta quit looking at who you know that guy, he made a channel, he's got 17 videos, he's now making a million dollars. Yeah, there are some of those people and some of the people in our community are going to have that happen. But most of the people, it's just putting in the work, being consistent, getting help. Absolutely. You need help. You need somebody to talk to about it. You need somebody to ask questions about it. I've asked. There's a couple of people in the community that I talk to all the time. There's a couple of people in the paint community that I have a different community specific to painters that I talk to. And that's invaluable to have because they're in the same boat, they're doing the same thing. And if we can talk about our successes that we can control and potentially our successes and worries about things we can't control, it makes a world of difference for those people. Don't go at it alone. It's not worth it.
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B
Yeah. And I think one thing that doesn't get talked about, well, there's a few things we've touched on so far that doesn't get talked about very much. Number one is the insurance. I'm going through that right now myself. We have insurance until September 1st. As most of you know, we just had triplets. And so my wife's coming home for a few years. And so now we're going from having very good state government insurance to figuring out how do we have insurance as an entrepreneur. And I'm not complaining, I've done very well and hopefully will continue to do so. But I do resonate with that. So we did talk about that. But secondly is the conversations with your family and friends. What were those conversations like? I know you mentioned your wife. Your wife sounds very similar to mine in that she is very. It's not that she doesn't want you to do it or she doesn't think you're going to succeed. Succeed. She just cares about your family and your well being. And so with that being the case, what did Those conversations look like maybe on the, the positives and the negatives because I remember when I did this, I had some very close family members tell me that I was making a poor decision. And then I had those who told me and encouraged me that I was making a, you know, a great move. So what did those conversations look like?
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A
It's interesting that you asked. That is my wife and I finally made the decision that we're going to do it. And she told her family, you know, she went to, to play games with her family and she told her family and her brother and niece are both like, yes, you should have done this forever ago. They're more like me. And then his, my sister in law, she's like, that sounds dangerous. Are you sure that's what you should do, you should be doing. And that's kind of when I talk to people, the people are very, very few people are in the middle. Most of them are go get it or what are you doing? But in my family, I've got multiple entrepreneurs in my family, so a couple of serial entrepreneurs. So this isn't anything new for my family, especially my, my brothers and sisters. I'm, I'm one of eight and four of those are self employed. So it's not anything new in my family. And they're, all of them are just like, whatever we can do to help you, you know, let's, let's make this happen. Which is awesome. And I know some people, yeah, some people don't have that. So find a community where you can get it.
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Interrupt this conversation just briefly to tell you about our services for creators. First off, we have a mastermind group. Five or ten bucks gets you in that group. You get to rub elbows with other creators, you get our exclusive mastermind call monthly. We do creator hosted calls, we do hot seats, we do channel reviews and audits. So much more. Definitely go check that out. I also offer channel reviews and audits that I do myself. That's very inexpensive way to get another set of eyes on your channel. And then obviously I offer one on one creator coaching if you're interested in taking it to the next level. So don't forget to check those out. And now back to the show. So let's just say six months down the road, you're doing okay, you're increasing your money, things are going well, but you have a bad month. What are you gonna, what are you gonna do to combat that? What guardrails are you putting up?
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Well, I don't know that I'm putting up any guardrails. I'm expecting a bad month, I'm expecting good months, and I'm expecting bad months. And we have a budget, which is huge for my wife, just so she can see it and feel what's happening, know where the money is, know where the money's coming from. And we have. We have a set time. We have a set budget, essentially, so that, you know, if we get six months down the line, and now I'm at half income, and at that point it goes down to a quarter, we can put it in the budget and say, okay, our Runway was 12 months. Now it's 11 months. Because of this, you know, we're still on track. I. I left on very good terms with my other job, so I can go get another job if I need another one. I. I'm not worried about that. And I think that's the major guardrail that we have. I have, like I said, I have serial entrepreneurs in my family. So when something like that happens, generally I go to them, I say, okay, this is what I did this month. This is what I've done. And, you know, I'm. I'm not sure what to do next if I don't have an idea. And I've even done that in our. Our group just said, you know, this is where I'm at. This is the advice that I need. And there's a bunch of people that have chimed in and gave some. Some great advice for me. So those are really the guardrails I have, the. The financial and then the. The what to do if it happens. And I. I panic, for lack of
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B
a better word on the YouTube side of things? Where are you going to be shifting your focus now that you do have more time, like, knowing what is it, packaging, is it looking at data, more research, scripting? Where do you see your time go in terms of the YouTube channel now to get it to a point to where you are getting more views that can then lead to the purchase of your app or whatever, whatever that call to action may be.
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Yeah. So I have the last six months or so, I have been very inconsistent putting out videos. You know, like I said, the corporate America job was taking up all of my time. So one, I got to get to that first. After that, I actually need to double down on short form because at this point, I'm using YouTube for eyeballs and not necessarily for revenue. So I, at least my research has shown that getting eyeballs on your content right now is really going to come from short form. That's just where we're at Right now. So I have to figure out short form. I have, I don't know, 50 short form videos right now. I haven't put them on other. I've only been focusing on YouTube so I need to put them on other, other places like Instagram and Facebook and TikTok and things like that. I need to figure out a system for that. Luckily, AI it looks like it's going to be able to help me make that seamless. And then ideally I need to get way better at videos. I need to take time, you know, before getting a video out took all of my. Just getting a quick video out during the week took all of my time. So now I need to really plan, I need to really keep track of what I'm doing way better than I was before to make sure that those videos that I'm making are the best videos possible and potentially do a second video or a live stream, which I haven't done in the past. I've never done a live stream and add that to the mix. So that on the YouTube side, that's really where probably once the app is out, that's where my focus is going to go.
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B
Love that. That was a great answer. And now let's shift towards systems. Like what systems do you have in place to, you know, that. I think for me, David, that was the hardest transition when, you know, I worked in a nonprofit for almost 17, 18 years. And when I made the decision to move full time creator, full time entrepreneur, I was leaving a very nice income, honestly a great job. But I did have to clock in and clock out and I had someone above me kind of dictating what I did throughout the day or throughout the week. So I think the hardest part for me was when I had the freedom. How do I stay focused and know that I'm getting the things done that I need to get done and knowing that I'm pushing my business forward and I'm moving the needle, how are you and what systems are you going to put in place to make sure that's what happens in your case too?
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Yeah, so I, I actually am creating my own system, Claude. AI and you know, I, I'm an engineer. I did software engineering for a long time before I moved into product. And the whole idea of product is you, you get everything together, you stage it, you get it to a point where you can hand it to an engineer, they can bring it back and tell you, you know, I'm done and you can check, make sure it's done and then there's a bunch of Stage gates you have to go through to get software out. So I'm used to that process. I'm just used to it at the corporate level, not at the individual level. So I need to. Essentially, I'm building myself. I don't want to say I'm building Notion, but I'm building a piece of notion where it can keep track of, here's all my video ideas, here's what I've done, here's the next step. And so I can come in in the morning. And the idea is in the next couple of weeks, I'd come in in the morning and say, claude, tell me what I need to do this morning on the creative side. And then in the afternoon say, okay, tell me what I need to do on the execution side and have it just spit out what I need, what I need to do. So that's the, that's the idea. I. I have tried to use. I mean, I've specifically tried to use Notion, I've tried to use a task board, I tried to use a bunch of things, and it just hasn't worked for me. So we're going to try building my own and see if that a very basic my own and see if that gets me to commit to that process.
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It's so cool that AI is allowing us to do that because I've kind of done that. I still use Notion, but through AI, through using Claude, I've been able to tailor some stuff specific around my business. And when, you know, it's scary to a certain degree that AI knows so much about me, but having the ability to just say, hey, you know, knowing that I have six years worth of podcast guest data in this database, can you help me pull, you know, creators that would be a good fit to have on as return guests, knowing that they've grown this amount and it pulling it within 30 minutes and that connected to my tools that I use every day is powerful. It's also scary, but it's really cool to hear you kind of lean into that, because a lot of creators aren't doing that. They're kind of hesitant, they're afraid. And I just listened to an interview on another podcast of a photographer who leaned into AI and he was kind of shunned by his professional photographer friends, but now that he's kind of leaned into it, they're going to him and asking him questions, knowing that, hey, yeah, photography may not be what it used to be, but it's still photography and you still have to have a mind for it and an eye for it and the Same goes for YouTube. You still have to be creative and know how to prompt and do these things. The robots are not going to do the work for you. I mean, to a certain extent they can, but, you know, to take it all the way to the finish line, they can't. So I love to hear you kind of lean into that. All right, so now let's talk about monetization. You mentioned the app, you mentioned the YouTube stuff. What are all the ways 6 months, 12 months down the line that you see your business, the different monetization baskets of where you're going to be making money?
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Sure. So I have my blog, which I make a little bit of money off of my blog. I have an app that's going to come out so that. That I'm hoping that the app becomes about a quarter of my total revenue. And YouTube, I don't expect that to be big at all. Maybe, maybe 5% of my total revenue. Then I actually have a community already. It's very small right now. And what I want to do is attach a kind of learning course to that community, and so sell the course. The community comes free, and then after that they can continue to sign up if they find value there. And I think that those two things will be the bulk of the revenue that I'm hoping for. And then affiliates. I mean, right now I'm actually making generally more on affiliates than I am on YouTube. And I found a couple of great partners, other artists, even. Other artists. The funny thing is, I found other artists in the exact same acrylic pouring space. But they do things so different than I do that it just makes sense for me not to take the time to try and teach people what they already know and are better at than me. Send them over there. You know, those people win. I get a little cut. My friend in the industry wins. It really isn't. It's not. People need to make sure that they keep a mindset that there is enough for everyone. We're not competing against people. We're trying to raise everybody up because it's so much. It's so much easier to make money and to make relationships that way. And so that's kind of. That's kind of what I'm seeing.
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I could not have said that any better. That's powerful. The final question I want to ask you, and this might be the most important question, if someone's sitting at their day job or corporate job right now with a channel growing on the side. You know, a lot of the terms I. I hear here on the podcast is, yeah, this my side hustle, or this started as my hobby. What's the one thing that you tell them about when to actually make this jump, if they should, and what encouragement would you give them if they're in that season of their journey?
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I would. I would sit down and have kind of like we did at the beginning, get the pros and cons and figure out how important those pros and cons are. Because, I mean, for me, right now, the money honestly wasn't that important. The freedom and the time were the importance, because I know the money can come, which is probably scary to a lot of people, but that's the reality of where we're at for me. And then get somebody to question everything that you put on that list. Somebody that you trust, not somebody that's going to say, it can't be your mom unless she's that type of person. Most aren't, because they're going to be. Yeah, you could totally do. You know, you don't want that. You want somebody to say, well, that doesn't make sense. That sounds like an idiotic idea. Why would that work? And, you know, you have to prove your dissertation to them, essentially, because it's gonna. It's gonna. It's going to make you realize your blind spots and hopefully find better things to go on the. Both the pro and the con side of the list. And then once you have that, figure out what you can do today to. To keep some of those big cons from coming to pass. You want to make sure that you're hedging to keep that from potentially happening and then decide on, you know, when you. When you want to make the leap. And I've made that decision three times now. I did a hundred percent of my income. There's no way that was going to happen. 50% of my income. There's no way that was going to happen. And then I had a, you know, three or four, I should say it was probably two months ago when we really. My wife and I really started having those conversations saying, you know, are you better off mentally? You know, are you going to be a happier person at home? Can we survive? Do we have that Runway to make her feel like, you know, her anxiety still went up? But. But do we have the Runway where we know that we can survive and talk about, if everything did go to the toilet, what's the plan after that? Because that'll give you the head space that you need to be able to say, okay, what is the worst that could happen? I could get Another job. I mean, the worst that could happen to me right now is I could get another job.
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B
There's a book I read on anxiety, specifically talking about being someone who worries a lot. That's a, that's a bad habit of mine. I'm, I'm a. I can worry and I kind of internalize it and it leads to some anxiety. But the thing that the book said, I'm sure I'm misquoting it to a certain degree, but it says when you think about a situation you're worrying about, do exactly what you just said, David, and think about what's the worst that could happen. Well, the worst case here is you gotta, you know, get your resume up and go get another job, which is very doable for, for the majority of people. And, you know, it's so cool for me to see you come into my group and get to know you and have you on the podcast a couple of years ago, whatever it was, and now see your growth and your progress and how you've. You've been able to just dive deep into this thing and really grow to a point to where you are comfortable making this decision and then coming on here and hearing you so confident. And I hope people hear this and know that internally, David is probably scared to death, you know, as. As you probably should be. That's a good. Scared to have. So if you're listening to this and you're a creator and you're thinking, I'm never going to go full time, fine, maybe you won't. But what you do need is the mentality that David's talking about to grow a channel, and that's that you have to put yourself out there. You have to know who your audience is. And so it's so cool to watch David go through this, this process. And David, I really appreciate you coming on today and being open and transparent about this decision. And so is there anything that you'd like to leave us with today before we sign off?
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A
Find a friend. Like, I cannot tell you how important it is to have somebody that knows what you're doing and understands that you can talk to. Even if you don't find solutions, you need somebody that you can Talk to about YouTube and about content creation. It makes a world of difference.
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B
Could not agree more. David, thanks again. I'll have a link to David's channel and all of his stuff in the show notes. And we appreciate you again, my friend.
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A
Thank you very much. Appreciate it.
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B
And that's a wrap on this week's episode of the Creators Hub podcast. I hope you enjoyed that conversation that I just had with David. It was a wonderful conversation and if you are even thinking about in the future going full time as a creator or as an entrepreneur, this show is so valuable and I'm so glad David was willing to come on and be transparent about the whole process. Don't forget to check the show notes for everything that we offer creators, everything from our mastermind group, YouTube channel reviews and audits, and one on one coaching with me. And then last, lastly, I want to mention my email newsletter, the Entrepreneurs Minute. If you're looking at behind the scenes of what it takes to run a business like mine, definitely check that out. And then we have a running list of all the tools mentioned here on the show in a spreadsheet and that is linked down below as well. See you guys next week.