296: Heath's Brother Opens Up About Prison Life

Summary

Podcast Summary: Zane and Heath: Unfiltered – Episode 296: Heath's Brother Opens Up About Prison Life

In Episode 296 of Zane and Heath: Unfiltered, hosts Zane and Heath welcome a special guest, Shane—the brother of Heath—to discuss his experiences as a corrections officer. Shane provides an unvarnished look into the realities of prison life, shedding light on the daily operations, challenges, and personal insights from within the correctional system.

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1. Introduction of the Guest

The episode begins with Zane and Heath introducing Shane, affectionately referring to him as "Vanilla Ice" due to his hat. They express their excitement about having him on the show, allowing listeners an inside perspective of Shane's role in the jail system.

Zane (08:34): "We finally have my brother Shane on the podcast today."

Shane (08:45): "I have been. I gotta mix tequila. Drink."

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2. Understanding the Corrections Role

Shane explains his position as a corrections officer for the county sheriff's office, detailing the distinction between jails and prisons. He clarifies that jails house individuals awaiting trial or serving shorter sentences, while prisons accommodate those with longer incarcerations.

Shane (10:14): "Corrections officer at a prison or a jail. So I work for the county sheriff's office, and the jail houses everybody within the county."

Zane (10:39): "And the difference between jail and prison? Jail is one year sentencing or a holding, Right?"

Shane (10:52): "Jail is for when people are pre-trial...if they can't get their bond posted, you're stuck in there until your court date."

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3. Daily Operations and Shifts

Shane describes the demanding nature of his job, emphasizing the long 12-hour shifts divided into day and night rotations. He highlights the structured routine, including hourly checks and maintaining order within the pods.

Shane (12:21): "Day shift, there's two shifts. There's a day and night shift, and it's 12-hour days."

Shane (12:31): "We have an hour lunch break."

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4. Living Conditions and Facilities

The conversation delves into the specifics of inmate housing, detailing the pod system where multiple individuals share cells. Shane illustrates the layout, including the size and amenities of cells, use of "bean flaps" for communication, and the minimalistic furnishings provided to inmates.

Shane (14:07): "We have a pod with 40, 50, 60 guys by myself all day managing them."

Matt (15:05): "How many people a cell? Was it bunk beds?"

Shane (15:11): "A standard cell is two people, two bunks. But in the corners we had some larger ones...four-man, six-man cells."

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5. Visitation and Communication

Shane explains the visitation process, noting the shift from traditional phone calls to digital tablets. Inmates must use commissary funds to access phone calls or tablet-based visits, which are monitored and recorded for security purposes.

Shane (23:05): "Visitation is done through a tablet screen...it costs, it's a nominal little fee."

Shane (26:07): "If they come in with cash on them, we take it and put it into their commissary account."

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6. Rehabilitation Programs

The episode highlights various rehabilitation initiatives available to inmates, including GED programs, trade skills like forklift training, and mental health counseling. Shane emphasizes the importance of these programs in aiding inmate reintegration into society.

Shane (41:14): "They can apply to get into programs like forklift training, culinary trade jobs."

Shane (50:12): "We do have free mental health counseling in the jail for everybody."

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7. Challenges Within the System

Shane candidly discusses the systemic issues plaguing jails, such as overcrowding, the high prevalence of drug-related offenses (particularly fentanyl), and the insufficient mental health support. He articulates the cyclical nature of incarceration for individuals without support systems.

Shane (44:12): "We have a lot of people in jail...they need help and we don't as a country provide enough."

Shane (65:26): "The majority, pretty much 90% is fentanyl...they're addicted."

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8. Personal Anecdotes and Experiences

Throughout the episode, Shane shares impactful stories from his time as a corrections officer. Notably, he recounts an incident involving a mentally unstable inmate smearing feces and subsequent haunted experiences within the jail environment.

Shane (32:07): "There was a female inmate who was mentally unstable...she was defecating on command and smearing it everywhere."

Shane (56:18): "We had incidents where officers reported seeing mops move on their own...we even caught a radio popping off the wall."

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9. Insights and Recommendations

Shane advocates for comprehensive mental health services and rehabilitation programs to reduce repeat offenses and support inmates in rebuilding their lives post-incarceration. He underscores the role of correctional officers in fostering a safe and rehabilitative environment.

Shane (43:48): "We need better mental health support...help the jails get the population down."

Shane (47:23): "If you want to know someone's true character, give them power over somebody. I'm there to provide safety, security, and help them navigate their programs."

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10. Closing Reflections

In the concluding segments, Shane reflects on the emotional toll of his job, sharing his sense of fulfillment when witnessing former inmates successfully reintegrate into society. The hosts express their gratitude for Shane's candidness and the valuable insights he provided.

Shane (78:55): "Seeing them on the outside doing well makes me feel like I made a difference."

Zane (79:05): "That's cool. Yeah, no, absolutely. Well, I appreciate you."

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Notable Quotes

• Shane (10:52): "Jail is for when people are pre-trial...you’re stuck in there until your court date."

• Shane (23:05): "Visitation is done through a tablet screen...it costs, it's a nominal little fee."

• Shane (44:12): "We have a lot of people in jail...they need help and we don't as a country provide enough."

• Shane (78:55): "Seeing them on the outside doing well makes me feel like I made a difference."

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Conclusion

Episode 296 offers a raw and insightful exploration of prison life through the eyes of a corrections officer. Shane's honest portrayal underscores the urgent need for systemic reforms, particularly in mental health support and rehabilitation programs. His dedication to improving inmate lives reflects the potential for positive change within the correctional system.

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Transcript

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[Zane]

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[Heath]

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[Zane]

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[Heath]

Hanging out, Pretend the cameras are not even there.

[Zane]

If mom did it, you're good. Yeah, she got. She got trash, though.

[Heath]

Oh, did she?

[Matt]

Zay's mom got drunk too. She.

[Heath]

She has to. She. She took, like. She doesn' Take shots. She took, like, two shots before getting on.

[Zane]

She's like, need a little bit of courage.

[Heath]

She was great. She forgot she was on camera. She loved it.

[Zane]

As soon as. As soon as mom came on, she was definitely nervous. And then as she kept drinking on the episode, she started like, yeah, we used to do.

[Heath]

We used to drink all the time. Remember? Like, first we drank all the time because we were still, like, nervous. We're like, fuck, we have to record. Okay, okay.

[Zane]

That was my. My biggest was when we were drinking every episode. Heavy.

[Heath]

Oh, it was so fun, though, man. The conversations were flowing. We had a lot of alcohol in us.

[Matt]

Yeah. I used to drink so much, I'd have to, like, Uber home and, like, leave my car. Yeah, yeah.

[Heath]

I'd have to leave my car a lot. Because you're like, all right. Got too fucked up. Oh, all the way in. Porter Range, too.

[Matt]

Speaking of cars, speaking of driving, I don't think we ever revisited, you know, your whole situation that happened at the Erewhon with your car and they lost your key.

[Heath]

Yes.

[Matt]

Did you ever.

[Heath]

No, Matt. Yes. I still paid for it. I have not. And I see them all the time, every day. They're just, like. Just the guilt, like, waving at me, and I'm just like, I. You know what? It's right. Fine.

[Matt]

I can see just saying I don't want to deal with it for the peace of mind, but it's still, like, the injustice.

[Heath]

Yeah, you're absolutely right. Absolutely right. Like, nobody got in trouble in the end of the day. Like, there was no sort of punishment, but, like, I'm fine with that.

[Matt]

They owe you money.

[Zane]

I know.

[Heath]

I know they do.

[Matt]

They should give you at least an Air1 membership card.

[Heath]

You know what. You know, like, what to say where it's like, you just have to let go. That's what I'm doing. Normally I'd be, like, there with my picket sign, my pitchfork ready to burn, and I'm just like.

[Zane]

Or just.

[Heath]

Just fine. It's fine.

[Zane]

You just wait until they turn their back. You go into their tip jar and just take what's rightfully yours.

[Heath]

Just take a key.

[Matt]

Just.

[Zane]

No, go into the tip jar, pull some cash out.

[Heath]

There's no tip jar there. It's all.

[Zane]

Actually, that's not surprising with their service, they wouldn't get any tips.

[Heath]

But what I could do is that I could go grab just a random.

[Zane]

Key, go for a spin, go get a nice little Lamborghini, spin around.

[Heath]

Mind you, I'm ruining someone else's day.

[Zane]

But question about you.

[Shane]

That's true.

[Matt]

Question about tip jars, because, I mean, I worked for tips when I was a waiter, but that was direct tips to me. But if it's an establishment that has a tip jar, what happens though if you're an employee working at the place with the tip jar and your shift's over.

[Zane]

Oh, you mean like you go home early but the tip.

[Heath]

Everyone tipped everyone. Like in the end of the day, everybody that was on shift, they split. Split the tip.

[Matt]

But what if someone else is still working their shift but you're off your shift? You would go, let's do the, the tip guard tip jar split.

[Zane]

Does it, does it divvy out the next day?

[Matt]

Yes.

[Zane]

What if you're not working the next day?

[Heath]

No, everybody, everybody splits the tip, right? Like everybody that was working the day of. But like no one's stealing because everybody will find out.

[Matt]

So you come back into work the next day and there's like a little envelope from the tip jar from the day before. But do you get all the tips from the entire day?

[Zane]

A great point.

[Heath]

It's. I think it's split. It's split evenly all the time because it is, it is weird. Or there are certain waiters that have certain bussers too, right? Like a waiter will have a busser that they work with a lot. They clean their tables for the whole house. And then it all depends on how they structure it.

[Matt]

But what if you were like a barista and you were just charming as hell, like you deserve that $20 tip and you think it's going directly to you.

[Heath]

A lot of times they will say the person tipping, like, hey, keep this for you. And then they'll keep it for themselves. But if you put in the tip jar, it's rightfully everyone's to split. But that's the thing, right? If you suck, then hopefully it gets to the point where like everybody's tells the manager is like, hey, like we're all doing our job. This person is just kind of like, do we have to give them. You know, they're dragging the whole crew.

[Matt]

I never know. Sometimes, like do tip jars, like when they're starting the day, they put a couple dollars already in there just to like make it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just.

[Heath]

But my favorite is I like when the two Tip jars. Like, one will say one person's name. The other is other.

[Zane]

Whatever is going on, whatever trending topic they want to, like, vote based on yourself.

[Matt]

Team Edward, Team Jacob. Yeah, I love that.

[Heath]

Love that. When they. When they're up with the trends, I think that I'm more inclined to tip.

[Matt]

Do you always, like, look for the eye contact, though? Like, you're like, oh, you're tipping, but you're waiting for them just to turn around to show that you did it.

[Zane]

Is it okay if. Is it okay if I just put this in here?

[Heath]

Yeah, just like, if I'm there, if I'm there a lot. Yes. I want them to see that I'm tipping because when I come in next time, they're going to remember that. And I feel like they are so.

[Zane]

Funny is that I will never do it and they turn their back on me.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Zane]

I'm like, I'll act like I'm looking for it a little bit longer.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Zane]

Oh, there we go.

[Matt]

Now, I'm also curious with the people who are out there working with the iPad tipping, like, right when they show you the tip, you tip and they pull it back. Are they immediately looking? Did you.

[Zane]

They look, they check.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Heath]

Because it'll add it up. It'll show, like, that, the price plus tip.

[Matt]

Because sometimes I just see them, like, turn their back and, like, they're not even paying attention. I'm like, well, did we. Did we acknowledge that?

[Zane]

It's just gonna ask you a question.

[Heath]

Yeah, but you're mad. You're right. Half the time they don't acknowledge it. They're just like, there's no thank you. There's no like, all right, have a good day.

[Matt]

And it's like, that's why I think it goes back into, like, another system. And then at the end of the day, they really find out at a.

[Heath]

Coffee shop, I don't need to give you a tip, but I gave you a 25 tip. Just a thank you would be. Would be nice.

[Zane]

Give me. Give me this.

[Heath]

Just that little, not a little eye to eye contact. You don't even need a smile. Just eye to eye contact.

[Matt]

You could take them $100 and they may not even acknowledge it at all. They'd be just like, all right, cool, Good to go. I'm like, did you.

[Heath]

Excuse me, ma'.

[Matt]

Am.

[Heath]

I just tipped you 100 to make sure everybody hears it. A hundred dollars.

[Matt]

You got to be careful with those zeros, though, when you're typing them in. There's times where I thought like, a thousand dollar tip. Like $10,000. Like, I've been, like, one day.

[Zane]

Because they do it where you have to add the zeros.

[Matt]

Yes.

[Zane]

But it fills in the decimal for you.

[Matt]

Yeah. And then there's a double zero one, too. So be careful. Be careful.

[Heath]

All right, well, we have a very special guest today, but let's roll the intro first and then we'll introduce you to the guest, baby.

[Zane]

All right, here we go, baby. It's coffee time, baby.

[Heath]

Let's go. Welcome back to Zen Heath Unfiltered. I'm Zane.

[Zane]

I'm Heath.

[Matt]

I'm Matt.

[Heath]

And today we have a very special.

[Matt]

Guest, one we've talked about for quite.

[Zane]

A long time, has been brought up in countless episodes. We finally have my brother Shane on the podcast today.

[Matt]

Welcome, Shane.

[Zane]

You may recognize him as Vanilla Ice. He put that hat on earlier.

[Matt]

I was like, oh, okay, Vanilla Ice now.

[Zane]

Yes, yes.

[Matt]

What does he like?

[Heath]

I have no idea what he looks like, but just like this. Vanilla Ice.

[Matt]

I like that.

[Heath]

I like that.

[Shane]

A little bit thinner.

[Zane]

Still. Handsome.

[Heath]

Shane, are you gonna be like your mom and my mom when they hop on. Did you have a couple drinks in you? Are you sober?

[Shane]

I have been. I gotta mix tequila. Drink.

[Matt]

You have to his brother with his move. Exactly. Deserves a break.

[Heath]

A couple drinks is nice.

[Shane]

About halfway done with this. It's all right.

[Zane]

We got plenty more where that came from. It's so funny to finally have you on so you can see everything. Obviously, like, you've seen the podcast, like, episodes and things like that, but to, like, be behind the scenes, like, you're on it, like you're here.

[Shane]

It's definitely different. Like, I. I've watched them and seen them, but to see the setup now in person, it looks worse in person.

[Zane]

It's a little underwhelming.

[Heath]

It's. It's smaller than you thought, right? Yeah, that's. Everybody says that they walk in, they're like, wait, I thought this was a lot bigger. I was like, that's crazy. To me, it just looks the size of what this room is on camera, but it's not.

[Shane]

I didn't know it was actually at your house. I thought it was in, like, some little studio somewhere.

[Heath]

Second floor. Not even second crazy.

[Matt]

Oh, and Shane, we. You know, the reason why we brought him on too, because he has a very interesting profession. Yeah, Shane, you are a. And correct me if I'm wrong, you're a correctionals.

[Zane]

Correct?

[Matt]

Am I. Am I saying it right?

[Zane]

No, no, no.

[Matt]

Correctionals or corrections?

[Zane]

Corrections.

[Matt]

Corrections officer.

[Shane]

That's correct.

[Matt]

At A prison or a jail.

[Shane]

So I work for the county sheriff's office.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Shane]

And the jail houses everybody within the county.

[Heath]

Oh, you said that like you work at.

[Shane]

With.

[Heath]

For the county sheriff's office.

[Matt]

So.

[Shane]

Yes. So everybody in the little cities and precincts around go to that main jail.

[Matt]

Got it.

[Zane]

And the difference between jail and prison? Jail is one year sentencing or a holding, Right?

[Shane]

Partially correct. But jail is for when people are pre trial.

[Zane]

Okay.

[Shane]

So you've been accused of a crime, you're waiting for your court date. A lot of people in there, if they can't get their bond posted, you know, you're stuck in there until your court date is actually.

[Heath]

Oh, and how long could you be stuck in there for?

[Shane]

A while.

[Heath]

A while. Oh, wow.

[Shane]

It depends on your. Your crime, your core, depending on how much you're trying to fight your case.

[Heath]

Got it.

[Shane]

You know, if you're trying to appeal things, it can be. I've known there's some guys in there that have been in there for over a thousand days.

[Matt]

Wow.

[Heath]

Insane.

[Matt]

Do they address you as Shane or do they have to call you like Mr. Big H?

[Heath]

That's Love that.

[Shane]

Kind of a Funny Story one. I'm not that big, but.

[Zane]

No, no, no, no. You're normal. You're average size. Don't worry.

[Heath]

I don't think it's more physical. It's more like your presence. It's like stature. It's big age.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Zane]

Big personality. I think it came.

[Shane]

It came from the guys not really being able to say Hussar, even though it's a. It's a pretty simple name. It is two syllables. I got Hussar, Pusar. One guy called me Warsaw.

[Matt]

He thought.

[Shane]

He thought my name was Warsaw for.

[Zane]

You should have gone with that. That's way cooler.

[Heath]

That's a really cool last name. Warsaw.

[Shane]

And then one guy just coined Big H and then just kind of stuck with that. And then everybody got around and everybody knew, oh, it's Big H. All right.

[Matt]

How long are your shifts? What are you working, like night, day? Does it. Does it switch up?

[Shane]

Day shift, there's two shifts. There's a day and night shift, and it's 12 hour days.

[Matt]

Okay. Whoa.

[Shane]

Long days. Very, very long days.

[Zane]

You get an hour lunch break.

[Shane]

Our lunch break.

[Matt]

So you eat the prison food or do you guys bring your own food? Or is there, like.

[Heath]

Is there a special cafeteria for you guys?

[Matt]

Yeah, Corrections.

[Shane]

We have a kitchen. Some people do eat the jail food, but I always wouldn't get, you know, my own food or brought it. But the girls do make some really fire roles.

[Zane]

Okay. Oh, it's kind of like prison role. It's kind of like a firehouse situation where you kind of communal cooking for everybody. Got it.

[Matt]

Is this a co ed jail? Men and women.

[Shane]

Men and women, but they're not mixed.

[Matt]

Okay, got it.

[Heath]

Oh, I didn't even know they had those existed. I thought like every jail, like every prison was like either men or women. It was like separate properties. Never thought.

[Shane]

Yeah, yes, it's more like a prison, but. But it's a jail. Oh, sorry, sorry.

[Heath]

Yeah, yeah, jail.

[Shane]

It's. It's organized a bit differently.

[Heath]

Got it, got it. Okay.

[Matt]

Now, are we wearing a uniform? Same uniform every day.

[Shane]

Same uniform every day. Got your little belt.

[Matt]

Anything to protect you. Do you have a baton? A taser?

[Shane]

We don't do batons. We have OC spray. Pepper spray.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Shane]

Carry handcuffs. There's no weapons allowed in the jail. No firearms.

[Matt]

Got it.

[Shane]

Ever. Absolutely.

[Heath]

I didn't know that.

[Shane]

So even when the police come in, they're bringing in a suspect or they walk to the jail.

[Zane]

That's for safety. If somebody were to try to grab it.

[Shane]

If somebody is to. And this thing too. Not to sidetracked. But the jail, unlike most jails, they're just not out and about by themselves. There's an officer always present inside the pod. So I will be in a pod with 40, 50, 60 guys by myself all day and I'm managing them and.

[Matt]

I just want to get just a good visual of this jail.

[Heath]

Oh, there you go. Turn around.

[Matt]

Now are. What about the cells themselves? You know, sometimes in movies it's like the old school ones.

[Zane]

I want to see this person so bad. Do you guys but like do like.

[Shane]

A tour so that I really. The second row right there. The one second in where it's like a two tier.

[Matt]

Yes. Yeah.

[Shane]

Like a desk. That's kind of like what it was.

[Zane]

Okay.

[Shane]

It was a two tier.

[Heath]

This is what I imagine probably.

[Shane]

Yeah, yeah. Probably 20 cells. They hold multiple people in each.

[Matt]

Each one are. Is it a door with a small window or is it the bars or is it like this image we're looking.

[Shane]

At like big window, solid steel door with a window that's maybe this big.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Shane]

Maybe like a foot and a half long. And it has what we call a bean flap. A bean tray. It's just a flap that comes open.

[Matt]

Bean flap.

[Heath]

Oh, that's.

[Matt]

I like the name for it. Yeah, yeah.

[Shane]

I don't know what the actual word is, but we just call it a bean flap.

[Matt]

Hey, that makes Sense.

[Heath]

Hey, that's aesthetically beautiful.

[Matt]

How many people a cell? Was it bunk beds? 2 beds to the side?

[Shane]

Yeah. So, John, a standard cell is two people, two bunks. But in the corners we had some larger ones. They'd hold like six or four. Four man. Six man cells of the course. Slightly larger.

[Heath]

Who. How do you, like, do you get to two when you. When you get like, I'm so interested. To a room and like, I would hate to be in a room with six other people.

[Matt]

Is it seniority?

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Heath]

Is it like, oh, the longer you stay, the more. The less people you got to stay with? Like, what's the.

[Shane]

Okay, so there is a dynamic like that where you kind of like veterans. Right. Got the guys that have been there the longest, loyal I've known for a while. They're kind of aren't problem people. You're not going to want to take somebody that's fresh off the street, detoxing off of fentanyl, and they're vomiting and they're just dirty and stink and they're not showering. You don't want to take somebody like that straight off the street and shove them in one of your. It is like a ranking, like an authority. Like, I don't want to say pod boss, but there's people in there that carry more weight than others.

[Zane]

Us pod bosses.

[Matt]

Yes, totally.

[Shane]

So you kind of want to maintain an air of hierarchy, like.

[Matt]

Or just a good dynamic. It's almost like you're planning a wedding. Like, are you excited?

[Zane]

Well, he said they're gonna get along.

[Matt]

They're gonna understand they've been in here for a certain time. There's similar age groups, like.

[Shane]

And then you gotta. You gotta think about gangs, right? Yes. So there's certain gangs, and you don't want to be mixing people that have.

[Matt]

Conflicts on the street, Ms. With the Bloods and.

[Heath]

Yeah, and that's pretty crazy that, like, they still have to think about that when they put them.

[Zane]

When they're jailed, when they're checking in.

[Heath]

Split them up.

[Zane]

Yeah. Like, when they're checking, are we affiliated with any.

[Matt]

Yeah, let's see. The tattoos. Does that. And they go, I'm not a member, though. I haven't been a member for 10 years. Still. We got. Yeah, so that is.

[Shane]

That is question too. And we do ask them, do you have any gang affiliations? Yes. But if they've been there multiple times, we can go back and see every jail, booking, everything, all the charges, everything. Even way back when.

[Heath]

You know what? That's nice that you guys even like ask them though, because that's like just for their preventative. But yeah.

[Zane]

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[Heath]

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[Zane]

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[Matt]

So let's say a new prisoner's Coming in. It's his first day in the. The block or the pod or the whole area. You know, you always see it in movies where it's like their first day at lunch, they're going to the tables. Everyone's all real clicky. They have to eat by themselves.

[Zane]

Can't sit here, sit here.

[Matt]

Does that usually happen? Do they get assigned, like, a person who's going to be like, their buddy for the day to show them around or. How did. How hard is it?

[Heath]

I'm thinking of three. You just said three different movies right now. Your mind right now is looking at all these scenes. That's funny.

[Shane]

What was that other one? Will Ferrell Get Hard.

[Heath]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shane]

So it is like that. So they come in, they get booked, you escort them down the hallway, they got their mat slung over their shoulder.

[Matt]

People like.

[Shane]

Yes.

[Matt]

That's crazy.

[Shane]

Yeah. So you have to maintain that. That dynamic and kind of just a baseline of calm because it can get out of hand real quick.

[Matt]

Yeah. Do some kids, like, just start crying like, I don't want to be here? And they're like, you gotta deal with it?

[Heath]

Like, yeah, Shane, definitely Shane. What's the. What would you say the percentage of people, like, when you, like, for. I guess you, from your own point of view, are you like, damn, these people are actually all really nice or some of them are actually, like, really bad, like, just violent. Yeah.

[Matt]

Like that.

[Shane]

You would say the majority, the overwhelming majority of inmates are users. Addicts that just get on drugs, drug charges, drug paraphernalia, petty theft. A lot of people, unfortunately, and it's sad, that are homeless and don't have a family, don't have a foundation that they can fall back on. And there's this one guy, I'm not going to name names, but he just. Repeat offenders, just people that you send out and they come back a week later. The fastest was one hour. Literally got released.

[Matt]

Wow.

[Shane]

Went out and they got picked up again and delivered an hour later and brought right back. Because it's for things like criminal trespassing. They've been bounced out of every establishment in. In the city.

[Matt]

Oh, wow.

[Shane]

And they got no place to go. They're homeless. And. Well, we've. We've kicked you out of Walmart a thousand times. We see you walking through the wall.

[Heath]

It's almost like they want to come back because this is like their home.

[Shane]

Thing is too, is. It's a. It's a small town, rural, you know, usa, Tennessee. So it's not. Everybody knows everybody.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Like, so There is no escaping it.

[Matt]

Like, are there good rehabilitation programs within the prison? Like, even if you know that you're about to get released out in the real world, you have to take like a class and they go, guys, once you get out of here, this is how it is. Make sure you don't do. Are they prepping them at all before they're being released, or do you think there's not enough. There could be more work on it.

[Shane]

We definitely. There's just not enough for the. The need. We do have them. People get into rehabs, into these projects, these homes where they'll go and they'll serve the remainder of their sentence in a rehab facility. And conditional of their release, you know, is finishing the program. But if they fall out of the program, something, they go right back to jail.

[Matt]

How about visitation? Now, I've seen in movies, sometimes it's like they're behind a wall, they got a glass. Sometimes they're sitting at a table and they get, you know, they're being watched the whole time. No touching, all of that.

[Heath]

It's crazy. I've seen both, like, and what's the difference? Like what, what calls? Like.

[Matt]

Yeah. So one. I guess my question is, how does visitation work? Is it the phones? Is it meeting in person? How often is that? And also the telephone call thing, do you get a call a day? How. How does it go? Like that.

[Shane]

Okay, so visitation, nothing is in person. Everything is through a digital screen, a kiosk.

[Zane]

Oh, it's like a zoom, almost zoom.

[Shane]

Exactly what it is. Whoa. So before we'd put the guys in a room, there'd be three, three or four kiosks where they sit. They got the telephone there. They can talk to their guest. But then recently, within the last year, we went to something called tablets. So now they have like an iPad, basically. And all of their visits are now done through the tablet screen.

[Matt]

Are they paying. Are they paying their own prison money for the calls? Do you book them in advance? How often do you get the privilege.

[Shane]

Of talking to someone anytime they want? Okay, so as long as they got money, because it does cost, it's a nominal little fee. Visitations. I don't remember. I can't remember exactly. But it's not. It's not crazy.

[Matt]

How much are they. But are there jobs within the prison as well for them?

[Zane]

Yeah. How does the currency work? Like, are they able to clean or do certain things?

[Matt]

License plates? I don't know. Yeah, I know something.

[Shane]

Probably in some prisons. But again, this is jail, so they. There is no paid Jobs within the facility. Now we have some people that have been sentenced. And that's what I was talking about where they can do a work release program.

[Zane]

Right, right.

[Shane]

They've been sentenced. I think it was under two years. Nothing violent, no violent charges, no escape history. Then they can. What they'll get is an ankle monitor and they can go out into the real world and do a job. Yeah, someone worked at. Wait, really? Yeah, really. Right there in between.

[Heath]

Like, wait, what are they doing the factory?

[Shane]

Probably working on the assembly line or something. I don't know what they do.

[Heath]

Oh, I.

[Zane]

Sorry.

[Heath]

I was thinking of a selling.

[Matt]

I could go on the test drive with you, but I just gotta trust you.

[Heath]

There's no way. There is no way.

[Shane]

No, no. In the factory. Yeah.

[Heath]

Oh, man. Okay, that makes a lot more sense.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Heath]

No, that's good though. Like, that's. I just feel like.

[Zane]

Give me your credit card information.

[Heath]

Hey, do you know how to take this off?

[Zane]

He's got a screwdriver.

[Matt]

Picking at it. Get me out of here.

[Heath]

Get me out of here. So, yeah, as soon as I saw.

[Matt]

It's like.

[Heath]

Oh, reminds me. It reminded me of the Jinx.

[Matt]

The.

[Heath]

The. The show. They were talking through like a tablet like that the whole time. All the. All the footage that he was talking was now.

[Matt]

But when you go into jail, do you get. Still have access to your money from the outside or is all your money coming from, like, donations of friends and family to.

[Shane]

They don't have access to those types of things. Okay, I get something on what's called. They call them the books, which is their commissary account where they can get money put on that and then it deducts from that specific account. But there's nothing outside that's tied to that.

[Matt]

So no one. Like, does anyone have cash on them in jail? Or is that now, like, is it banned if you have cash?

[Shane]

Like, okay, they take it.

[Heath]

They take it from you when you have cash on you.

[Zane]

So no phones, obviously, you get that taken. No cash, no, like credit cards, anything like that. You have nothing but the clothes, right?

[Shane]

So that's good that you brought up the cash. So if they come in with cash on them, we will take it, count it, make sure that they've. It's verified with them. We got their cash. We'll put it in the machine. And that goes on their books. Oh, now they have a balance of say, a hundred dollars. They could use that to buy movies, music, set up their visits, make phone calls.

[Heath]

But if I have. If I go to. If I have an account, and I go to jail, I can take money from my account and put it into my little jail account. Jail account, right?

[Shane]

Or.

[Heath]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, good. Okay.

[Matt]

So if I'm going to jail for a year, how much cash I'm bringing?

[Heath]

I'm bringing a lot.

[Matt]

But then I don't want people knowing.

[Heath]

I'm running the prison.

[Zane]

Why are the money now, how much.

[Heath]

All of it.

[Zane]

Are there. Is there cigarettes are, like. Are they?

[Matt]

Yes.

[Zane]

Like, are they, like, a smoke break? Any sort of.

[Shane]

So our barter jail is tougher than some of the other ones in the area.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Shane]

A lot of the other ones, they allow e cigarettes still.

[Zane]

Okay.

[Shane]

Smokeless tobacco, like the Zen pouches?

[Matt]

Yes.

[Shane]

They sell those on commissaries. They'll allow that, but we don't do that. It's just our personal jail policy.

[Zane]

Okay, got it.

[Heath]

Has anybody ever, like, hired somebody, like, a cellmate ever hire another cellmate to be, like, almost her bodyguard?

[Shane]

Yes.

[Matt]

Really?

[Heath]

And how. And how much would they get paid for that?

[Shane]

I don't know the details of, like, how much that is, but I know of a few individuals that I could think of that were trying to be like, hey, I'll protect you in here.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Zane]

Oh, interesting.

[Matt]

Help me out here.

[Shane]

Everybody know how it goes? Put 20 on my books, and then I'll make sure that nobody bothers you.

[Heath]

Shane. I would pay. I'd pay a good amount of money for, like. For like, a. Like, a. Two good bodyguards.

[Shane]

You have to be aware of that. So somebody that you see this come in, they don't have any history. They're fresh meat. So to say they. They're in an area in an environment they're not accustomed to, and they're scared of their mind.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Zane]

Could be, like, they're.

[Shane]

They're ripe for being taken advantage of. So that's something you have to watch. As do you.

[Matt]

As a corrections officer, are you not allowed to, like, have bias or give a prisoner, like, a tip? Like, so say if I. It's my first day in prison. Some dudes tell me, hey, man, if you give me the 20 buc bucks, I'll make sure no one messes with you. And then what if, like, you know, you're taking me myself and go, hey, this guy is, like, saying that he's gonna watch out for me. What do you think? Do you ever go, don't talk to that guy? Or do you just go, oh, I'm out of this?

[Heath]

Like, good question.

[Matt]

And if maybe. If you can't maybe say it, stuff like that.

[Shane]

So no. So one of the big things in. In the jail that we talked about is if it's not written down, it didn't happen. Right. So if something like that happened, I'd have to put a narrative on this person's file, say, hey, this is what I was saying. This is going on. So you have a history of something, and then you can make moves. You can take people and put keeper parts on people, and that keep apart stays in that file pretty much indefinitely. So if two people have an issue, we can separate them, move them to a different pod, and we'll never put them together again.

[Zane]

Say you did see something going down, right? Like, is it your job to obviously, like, break it up? Like, if two people were about to fight or go at it, like, do you let them solve their problem? Or are you supposed to just, like, jump in the middle of it and be like, this has got to stop?

[Shane]

Okay, so it's safety and security, and you're there for the inmates, but you're also there to make sure you don't get shanked or something. Right. So we have the ability to intervene. The first thing that would happen if I saw something going down is I would just go up and talk to him and break it up that way, if it's not possible to see, okay, this is going bad, this is going sideways.

[Zane]

You don't want to put your life in danger.

[Shane]

Obviously, too, you don't have to get in the middle of two people beating the crap at each other.

[Matt]

Are you ever raising your voice like, boys, what are we doing today?

[Heath]

Like, if it's two of his boys.

[Matt]

Yeah. Do you like.

[Shane]

Oh, yeah.

[Heath]

Your next big ace.

[Matt]

Good.

[Shane]

It's like managing children. Yeah. Like a daycare, basically, and just trying to keep the peace, keep them fed, keep. Keep things functioning and just, you know, making sure you go home at the end of the day without any injuries.

[Heath]

All right. I keep putting myself in my head. I'm like, okay, if I was in a jail cell, what are some things that I feel like I would be worried about? No, no, this is another. This is this just. This hit me like a train. I was like, okay, one of the worst things that I can never, like, I never want to smell like is a bo. So if there was a situation where I was in a jail cell and some dude had really bad bo, is that something that I could go and complain about and, like, you would split us or that? Is that not good enough?

[Shane]

I mean, you just gotta deal with it.

[Heath]

Damn. Oh, I would. I would.

[Matt]

That Hygienic, though. Like.

[Shane]

Like they're supposed to shower and clean themselves every day. Do they? No.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Absolutely not.

[Matt]

Is that a hot shower? What is the shower like?

[Shane]

I smelled some of the worst smells that you can imagine.

[Zane]

Is it like a bucket above that? You, like, kind of pull a string?

[Shane]

Oh, there's. There's individual. There's like four showers.

[Zane]

Like a locker room situation.

[Matt]

Almost any privacy. Or is it, like, I don't know.

[Shane]

Shower curtains on the showers.

[Heath]

Okay, that's good. You see, I always thought it was, like, completely open. In jail, you probably have a huge problem.

[Shane]

Would. And I think I would too. If you're in a. If you're in a cell locked down with somebody for hours and hours and hours. And there's one toilet. Oh, and your bunks are there and you're pooping.

[Zane]

And Zane takes so long to poop, he'd be on it for an hour. I'd be like, are we done?

[Heath]

Yes. I wouldn't even be able to poop. That poop would never come out. I can't sit there with three other people.

[Zane]

I would just be.

[Matt]

Just talk to.

[Heath]

Oh, that is a. That is a nightmare.

[Matt]

Wow.

[Heath]

Along with the.

[Matt]

Used to it. Like, you would get used to it. Well, I think your mind, your whole mind and body after, like, how that's your only place to go.

[Zane]

Got to do it.

[Shane]

Here's one of my first experiences, probably when the first week I got hired. Speaking of smells up in booking, it's just this big square, big glass walls. And there was a female in there that just got brought in. And you could tell she was just mentally unstable, just not well and completely nude. Could. Could defecate on command, basically. And was taking it and smearing it all over the building. It was everywhere. And just being in booking, you could just smell it and see it. It and she lick it off of the glass.

[Matt]

Oh.

[Shane]

And I'm just watching this. I'm just like, no.

[Heath]

Is she writing anything specific? Is she writing coordinates?

[Shane]

No, not writing. Just licking it off of the glass. And she got to a point where it's like, okay, we have to call the doctor.

[Heath]

Do you think?

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Heath]

So here's the thing. In my head, I'm like, hey, if I, like, were to smear my. On the wall, do you think they would find me crazy enough to put me by myself, where I'd have to, like, be with other people? Like, that's like. I feel like there's some sor.

[Zane]

So just got to do it just to like.

[Heath]

Yeah. Because I. I Would. I would take myself that far?

[Zane]

You got to make it believable.

[Matt]

Yes.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Heath]

So you can tell the hesitation.

[Matt]

He.

[Heath]

They're like.

[Matt]

I saw it.

[Heath]

I saw it.

[Matt]

Yeah. You're like, I'm crazy. Yeah, I did it.

[Shane]

Oh.

[Heath]

Oh, that's terrible. It's terrible.

[Zane]

So then it got to the point where she stopped, and then you had to clean it. Well, like, you hose it down. Like, is it just like several guards.

[Shane]

Had to don masks and PPE and trash bags and physically had to open the door. And once that door is open, like, the entire smell.

[Zane]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shane]

And go in there, hold her down, and restrain her so that the doctor could assist her. Wow. The doctor needed to do so. It was just.

[Heath]

Is this a. This a picture at the. At your place?

[Shane]

I mean, that's. I mean, that. They all pretty much look like that, but that's not.

[Matt]

What about. Okay, comfort level. I'm thinking about beds. Is everyone assigned the same type of pillow? Is everyone getting the same type of blanket? Or can you get some perks and get a tempur pedic if you want? If you got back, you have a really bad back. There's no upgrades or.

[Shane]

No upgrades. Nope, that one.

[Heath]

I'm really surprised, because no pillows.

[Matt]

Come on. No pillow.

[Shane]

No pillows.

[Heath]

That's not great.

[Shane]

The mat. The mat. Okay. Yeah. It's.

[Zane]

Are we talking, like, something. If you.

[Shane]

If you ever went there, I'd be like, this is so horrific. I'd never want to be here again. But the mat is maybe this thick, and it's got a little hump. A pillow. And that is it.

[Matt]

Do you get a new one when it's your first day in prison or you're getting someone's old one?

[Shane]

Well, they're all recycled. Okay. Right. So when somebody goes out to take the mat to booking, they get cleaned, and then you take that as you go in.

[Heath]

I. I think the type of mattress depends on what you did. Right. If it's some petit. You get, like. You get more bump on your head if you kill people. Yeah. You get a bump.

[Zane]

A negative bump.

[Heath]

Yeah. You know what I mean?

[Matt]

I was, like, a pillow company. I would give, like, all of my pillows out to, like, prison cube.

[Heath]

But you know what? I don't even. I don't even think the prison would allow the free pillow. They'd be like, right. There's a reason why they. I don't like.

[Matt]

Is this a level of, like, humaneness where it's like.

[Heath]

That's 100%.

[Matt]

Okay. When is lights out? When is bedtime?

[Shane]

Time. Lights are on at six in the morning and they go off depending on officer. Like around eight or nine.

[Matt]

And. Okay. And you have to get up at six. You have to get out of your j. No sleeping in. Can you take a nap during the day?

[Shane]

Like, so from 12 to 2, we had what's called nap time.

[Matt]

Okay. It is a daycare.

[Shane]

And that's where everything shuts down. Lights go off and it's kind of. That's when we take our lunch breaks.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Shane]

So that's when everything dies down.

[Matt]

What if it's someone's birthday? Do you guys recognize birthdays at all? Or do they know the date? They have to know the date.

[Shane]

Oh, yeah, they know the date.

[Matt]

Is it every day? See, this is also. Would drive me insane. Is there a clock in the room every day that's just saying what time it is?

[Shane]

No.

[Matt]

No. Wow. See, that would drive me.

[Heath]

It's a Mr. Beast video.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Are they ever like. Yeah, it sounds like. Yeah, so. But do they know what. What day it is?

[Shane]

They'll. They'll know what day it is. They can keep track of it that way. We have. We do have a TV in the jail room.

[Zane]

There's a nice sundial so that they.

[Shane]

Can just watch one single TV that's on the wall that everybody can sit around and watch.

[Matt]

What about. Are they ever, like, how many more days do I have left? Do I. Am I had a month? Am I at two months? Or do they have their own calendar in their room? Or is it better just to not pay attention to the time and accept how time just flows and goes?

[Shane]

Yeah, that's one of the most frequent questions is, can you check my outdate? Can you check my outdate? I just went to court. They, you know, they reduced something, whatever. They said, you're gonna serve this much, and they put in, well, I'm serving less now. No sec. Well, can you check my outdate, see if it's in the system yet? Yeah. So it's just constantly.

[Zane]

There was one guy you told me about, that elderly man that was stuck in there and ended up like his. His court date was hot, like, super far away. And you're just stuck there. Like, if you can't pay your.

[Shane]

If you can't pay your bond, you're in there. Bond. If your court date is set six, three months, six months from now, and you only have this little bond, but you have no money, you're stuck there.

[Zane]

Until there's an opening for your court.

[Shane]

So there's your court date. You're assigned Court date.

[Zane]

It's crazy. Awful.

[Matt]

Is now exercise? Is there recess? Outdoor hours. How long is that? Is there required movement? Are you making. People have to like, is it like PE gotta walk laps or you have to be doing something. What's how.

[Shane]

We don't. We don't organize their activities. But connected to the pod is a recreational room. And it's just a slightly smaller room than the pot itself. And that is it.

[Zane]

Is there like, is there a gym, basketball court?

[Shane]

Nope.

[Matt]

Damn.

[Heath]

So wait, the recreational. It's connected to each cell.

[Shane]

Each, Each pod has a pod.

[Heath]

Is the pod.

[Shane]

Okay, So a pod is where everybody stays. A cell is where.

[Heath]

Oh, got it, got it.

[Shane]

Okay. Okay. But connected to that is a, A room. I don't know what it is. 20 by 30.

[Zane]

Okay.

[Shane]

Where they just go out there and they just walk circles or they play wall ball. They're allowed to have, you know, little rubber racquetballs and they smack it. And that's about the extent of.

[Matt]

Are we going. We. Are we going outside at all? No getting sunlight in our eyes that.

[Heath]

I'm surprised they don't have like facilities.

[Shane]

Know our jail has no exterior recreational yard. But in the rec room there is a big window on a roll up door that lists.

[Heath]

It doesn't look like that.

[Matt]

Okay. So you at least can get some.

[Heath]

Yes, it looks like that, Shane.

[Zane]

Right.

[Shane]

Like not on the roof.

[Zane]

Just think of a big, like a garage door.

[Shane]

Garage door that's huge. That just goes up on a roller, opens and then it closes.

[Heath]

Got it. Okay.

[Matt]

You said there's a tv. Who picks the station? Is it set on the same? Do people. Are they more interested in watching the news and what's going on in the world or they just want to watch a movie?

[Zane]

Ever put on our podcast requesting saying he's unfiltered?

[Shane]

Yeah. No. So the officer is who's in control of the tv.

[Matt]

So if they're like, sorry guys, my soap is on. I gotta.

[Zane]

Is there like, like a guard? That's just an asshole. That's just like My Little Pony. That's what I want to watch. We're gonna put it like pig for.

[Shane]

The next two hours and you're gonna sit there.

[Heath]

If everybody in the room is like, I don't want to watch this, they. They'll change it, right?

[Shane]

Yeah, but it's. Everybody's pretty like they're pretty much on the same page. And when I would open a pod in the morning at 6, we'd put the morning news on.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Shane]

And I'd say, hey guys. We're watching the news till 8 o' clock and then after that we'll, we'll find what else is on. That's a movie they're actually really, really interested in. In the news.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Shane]

For the most part. Yeah.

[Matt]

Yeah. That would, I'd be very interested in just what's going on.

[Heath]

Yeah. Especially if you don't have your phone on you. I'm like, actually, I do want to watch it.

[Zane]

That's your update.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Is there a library?

[Shane]

Your library now is on the tablet so they can get books. Oh, access to things like that.

[Matt]

Is there. Okay.

[Heath]

And that comes.

[Matt]

We mentioned about. Wait, go.

[Heath]

Oh, no, I was gonna say. And that comes with like you're paying for that time on the.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Heath]

Tablet.

[Shane]

So the tablet itself that you get is free. There's a free account to have access to things. Minimal things.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Shane]

But there is an upgraded subscription. I think it was like $7 a month. That gives you more access to games and, and things like that.

[Matt]

But there. Is there a standard library though where there is a huge plethora of books for free though, that they have access.

[Shane]

To this free things. You get every.

[Matt]

Access to every law book? Like.

[Shane]

Yes to.

[Matt]

I feel like that's a right. They should have.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

To understand where they are in the judicial system and have they have access to that information if they wanted to. Okay. Are there classes to take?

[Shane]

Yes.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Heath]

Oh, what kind of classes do they have there?

[Shane]

Some pretty good ones. You can do a. Meetings, anger management, things like that. They have ones that actually go outside. Popular one was forklift training.

[Zane]

Okay.

[Shane]

So if you, if, if you have to apply to get into it, you have to have again, just non violent things, non escape things. Have no narratives, no incidents of you causing trouble. Really not too much trouble. A little bit, but nothing crazy with the jail. And then you can apply to get in a program. Forklift H Vac. Culinary trade jobs.

[Heath]

I feel like that looks really good on your, on your like, on your.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Heath]

Papers. Right. Like if you're like always working on.

[Zane]

Something, they can finish a ged.

[Shane]

That's a big one.

[Heath]

Oh, that's good. Okay. I would want to, if I was. I would want to be outside of this, of the, of jail as much.

[Zane]

Extracurricular forklift training.

[Heath]

I'll do all of that.

[Zane]

You guys, you had worship as well. Like you guys could have, like.

[Shane]

Right. Ministers will come in and they'll make the rounds to the pods and they'll, you know, it's not mandatory. Right. Because you still have your freedom of religion. You can still do whatever. But if you want to participate, you can sit down with the ministers and talk. We had what was called. That's any pod. This we had one was called Faith pod that did more ministry programs. They would have at night revivals would come in with music, and it's from the local churches and things like that.

[Matt]

But if you're like Muslim and you have like a prayer mat and you got to pray, they'll definitely.

[Heath]

They'll definitely have that.

[Matt]

Yeah, he gets his own mat. That.

[Heath]

It's like I need three mastermind prayers.

[Matt]

But they're using it as a. He's making that a fellow.

[Heath]

Just like, that's what I'll do.

[Zane]

Okay, so they are allowed to have it.

[Shane]

Yes.

[Zane]

That's good.

[Heath]

Yeah, that's good. That's good.

[Matt]

What about games? Do we have board games? Hi Ho, Cherio Candyland, Monopoly or chess?

[Shane]

Chess and checkers.

[Matt]

Chess and checkers.

[Shane]

That's about the extent of it. For board games, they have access to. Oh, and domino's and deck cards. Spades is huge.

[Matt]

Spades, yes.

[Shane]

Yeah, Spades is all day, every day.

[Matt]

Is that like euchre or.

[Heath]

I don't know, but like you who?

[Matt]

Euchre.

[Heath]

Euchre.

[Zane]

I don't know what that is.

[Matt]

Oh, it's like. It's a card game Michigan people play. But I heard it's also called spades, but go on.

[Shane]

Yeah, that. That's. That's about the extent of it. Speeds.

[Zane]

What's like, what's one thing? Like, obviously you've spent a lot of time there. You've seen a lot. You've been there for an extended amount of time. Like, what's something that you think needs to be like.

[Shane]

Like.

[Zane]

Like that bothers you the most that you wish was different or change that you could like improve upon for them?

[Matt]

Should there be some reform?

[Zane]

Yeah, 100.

[Shane]

But what happened was. And I don't know who this exactly goes back to some change in. That might have been the 80s or 90s, but we used to have a bunch of mental health institutions in this country. And then I don't know if they all got defunded or whatever.

[Matt]

Yeah, state mental hospitals, all of that.

[Shane]

Hospitals. So we have a lot of people in jail and we're aware of this, but that should not be in jail. They just can't function in normal society. They need a help and we don't as a country do a good enough job of providing those things for those type of people.

[Heath]

Yeah, like throwing them in jail is not helped them.

[Shane]

It's not helping it.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

It's also making them worse and like bringing back like degrading like their own just mental progress of how. How even if they go back into society.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Being able to properly function. Yeah.

[Shane]

No, that, that's, that's. That's the biggest thing that I think would help everybody. Help the jails. Get the population, the jails down.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Get the people that they help. They need the medicine they need.

[Heath]

Did they get rid of it because they believe that it's just like they're.

[Zane]

Meant, like probably just the money just probably didn't feel like funding it just easier for them to throw them in. And throw them in jail.

[Matt]

Prisons are also privatized too. Like that's a business within itself. There are ye people who build. That's a money maker for prisons. But like mental health hospitals is not much of like a money maker for like, it's.

[Heath]

You're right.

[Matt]

Complicated though. There are private mental health rehabilitation facilities, but it's not on the mass scale of how prisons can.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Go. If that makes question.

[Heath]

Because you're saying this like 20 minutes ago about how there's people that will get out of jail, but they have to go to a rehab and if they don't do that, they have to come back to jail. Is the rehab. If they don't have any money or they don't have any family, is that paid by. By the government or that's. That's something they have to like, figure.

[Shane]

Out as far as I understood and how I took it is. It's. It's free.

[Heath]

It's free.

[Zane]

Okay.

[Heath]

Okay.

[Shane]

It's free. The programs are feeding.

[Heath]

That's good.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Matt]

Have you ever ran into a former inmate out in public?

[Shane]

Oh, yeah, A lot.

[Matt]

Oh, wow. They're like big eight. They're like, all right.

[Zane]

He told me he was at the. He took his son to the park. They went to go like to the lake, right?

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Zane]

And you just recently saw somebody.

[Shane]

Yeah, I saw somebody there. It was in there for. So I saw him. Yeah. And again, it's probably not as prevalent in bigger locations, but in our area it is small. So I've seen a lot of people. A lot of people.

[Zane]

I thought you got like. Especially like if you're like a corrections officer and like there's mean ones that are like, yeah. Really abusive or like horrible to these inmates. And then they get out and they see him like six months later, that would be a problem.

[Shane]

I mean, I've heard stories of other guards and say that they just kind of of. They'll see somebody else, really don't see me, and they'll walk away. But I've never personally had a bad experience with anybody.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Shane]

On the outside. And what I really like seeing and it makes me feel good. That's part of I like about my job is I'll see a handful of inmates at church. That's local church. I'll see them. They'll see me wave hi, come up, shake my hand, or give me a hug. And I don't. I don't always remember the name because it could have been a while ago. And I see hundreds and hundreds of people. I remember the face.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Shane]

And it. I like trying to.

[Matt]

Be like a.

[Shane]

Good example of, like, just treat people how you want to be treated. Just be a positive person. Just, you know, you don't have to be a dick just to be a dick. Because I have power over these people.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Shane]

What's this thing? If you want to know somebody's true character, give them power over somebody. Yeah. See how they treat them. So I. I could make people's lives miserable if I wanted to, but I'm not in there to make their life any harder than it is because it already sucks. I'm there to provide them safety, security, get them the things they need, information, help them navigate and get into those programs. Oh, I see you don't even have a high school diploma. Well, do you know that we have GED program?

[Matt]

Do you have to vouch for inmates, too? Like, I'm gonna say, do you write letters of recommendation? Or like, hey, he was in my pod every day. It's actually really. I've never seen him get in a fight once.

[Shane]

Do you for the after report in the jail?

[Matt]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shane]

So I know there's two officers that run the programs and I see them frequently. So I'll say, hey, you know, so and so wrote you on the table that they're trying to get into this program. Like, oh, yeah, I saw that. And sometimes there's just a backlog of a lot of people trying to get into and they just can't get everybody at once. But I'm like, oh, I'll go back to the minute. Yeah, they're where they saw and we're working to get you in the next one. So that gives them something to look forward to. Otherwise you're just sitting there and you're just getting the anxiety because you don't know what's going to happen when that's good.

[Heath]

Well, we need more correction officers like you.

[Matt]

What happens? Christmas.

[Shane]

They do Christmas bags Gift bags.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Shane]

The inmates will get little treats in a, in a bag. Everybody will get one.

[Matt]

That's nice.

[Heath]

Well, have you seen Longest Yard? They'll have the boys Jingle Bell.

[Shane]

Usually done by the local churches and stuff too. I'll see them bring in brand new board games for the pods.

[Heath]

Oh, that's great.

[Matt]

Is there any drama therapy, like putting on plays or like learning Shane performing for that?

[Shane]

No, there's no interpretive dance classes or anything like that.

[Matt]

I watched that movie Sing Sing and it's based on. Sing Sing's a prison that's outside of New York, I think. But some jails have drama therapy things because it's great, great for, you know, you have these prisoners who are going through mentally a lot. To take on a script of another character that they can relate to is a great way of teaching them like, empathy and that they're not alone and that it just teaching them just to act and stuff is a great way of getting out of their head, becoming someone else, understanding their motives and it just, it can grow your sense of character.

[Heath]

Didn't they have an Orange is a New Black? Didn't they have like a play probably scene where like they all like were. Do you guys remember what I'm talking about? It was like an episode of like of one of the seasons. Like they did a whole play.

[Zane]

I've seen like comedians and stuff that will go do show, stand up.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Johnny Cash from Folsom Prison, that was like a big thing where he wanted to go perform for the prisoners and stuff.

[Shane]

I do want to circle back and just touch on it so you guys know and that the audience knows that we do have free mental health counseling in the jail for everybody. It's free to. Ready.

[Zane]

Okay.

[Shane]

And that's a lot of the inmates don't know that, but we'll just mention that. Hey, you know, know if you want to see the mental health counselor, you get on the list, go there, talk to them and they can get their counseling, see what they need. They have an in person one. They have a psychiatrist that does it virtually. And then they can prescribe them any kind of meds they need for whatever the condition.

[Zane]

Yeah. How does the medication work? Is there a doctor at the jail that you like, go see weekly to get your medications and like. Yeah, okay.

[Shane]

Every day there. Every day we have, have every day in the morning, same time, you start what's called, you know, medical med pass in the morning. And all the pods you get, all the ones that are on the list, I'm grouped together and they go to medical, do what they need to do. They come back, and in the afternoons, we pass out all their medication. Not we personally, the. The guards, but we're there with, you know, the nurse providers.

[Matt]

And they have to open up their mouth. Like, what? They take the Dixie cup and make sure.

[Heath]

Oh, I thought that was only mental hospitals do that. They do that in prison or jails, too.

[Shane]

Yeah, we have to. To mark down who got their meds, make sure that they're taking their pills and swallowing washing down water, you know, open your mouth. Let me see that. You're not cheeking in. That's a. That's a big one. That's a big. Don't know. It's cheeking meds. And then what?

[Zane]

Like, don't try to hide it.

[Shane]

Sell them.

[Heath]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt]

Oh, so that.

[Shane]

That's when we have to watch closely. They'll try and do that.

[Matt]

Let's say there was, you know, an inmate that you've been dealing with, and they messed up big time. Like, they do something really wrong and they got to move to, like, a whole other prison and stuff. Are you ever, like, like, damn, how is that inmate doing? Do you have access to, like, a database to see where they got moved to and, like, how they're doing or do. Do you ever think about former inmates or where they're at?

[Zane]

Like, when you ever have, like, a boy actually, like, you guys, like, got along really well. You, like, so see him?

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Shane]

And especially, like, the hallway workers. They're out all day in the halls getting running laundry, anything we need, uniforms, whatever. We have a. I have a pretty good relationship with him. I see him all the time. We talk to him all day. And there's one. He was there in our jail for a while. He got sent to another jail nearby. I was like, oh, I wonder how he's doing. I was talking to one of the inmates that I knew that was close with him. I was like, hey, how's so and so? And he's like, oh, man, you didn't hear? I was like, no, he passed away.

[Matt]

Oh, no.

[Shane]

And it gut punched me, dude. Because he was a really nice guy. Just became a father, just went through one of the classes, went to another jail, got messed up with some people there and overdosed.

[Matt]

Oh, damn. Damn, that's devastating.

[Shane]

So that. That one hurt. It hurt me because.

[Matt]

Yeah, you have so much strength to, like. It's just. It's a tough job. And especially because you're dealing with people. You're dealing watching just people's lives. You're so close with them. It's. It's, like, different. It's way different than it with, like, a student. It's someone who.

[Zane]

I want them every day.

[Heath]

And also just your conversation with them, that could be their whole day. Just that one little conversation with them.

[Zane]

100. That means so much to them. Like, just.

[Shane]

It passes their time. If you're able to sit down and this. You just talk to them like a normal person, you know, and they'll pass their time, pass their day, and you're the only interaction they have with the outside world, and you're basically their world while they're in there.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Shane]

So that's. That's your responsibility.

[Zane]

How.

[Matt]

How far are. Well, I. I know it may not be. Is anyone. Sorry, I'm just spitting out any questions that are. Yeah, Coming to me. Or is anyone making hooch, like, whipping up some fermented potatoes and making some alcohol or boofing is where you.

[Heath]

Well, we've also.

[Zane]

I thought was. That was when you, like, poop in a bucket and then you like, like.

[Matt]

Let it, like, Janum.

[Shane]

What is it?

[Matt]

Janum. But I don't think anyone's doing janum in jail. That's like.

[Heath]

Or they're. They're cooking on their little stove top and the, like, the prison, like, prison, like, the.

[Matt]

They make their bed, become a grill. You see a lot of crazy stuff on the Internet. Is anyone ever, like, doing that type of diying?

[Shane]

Some paraphernalia, half of the terms that you just said. But hooch. I definitely do, and I've seen that.

[Zane]

Really?

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Zane]

How do they make, like. What are. They just take, like, mixing ingredients that they've accumulated over, like, they can get it.

[Shane]

You know, they get their sugar packets on their commissary.

[Matt]

Yes.

[Shane]

Fruit juice. Fruit packets. And they'll put it in the cup and potatoes. Yeah. Sometimes we've had fresh fruit, and they'll put it in there, and then they'll just let it ferment.

[Matt]

Yeah. You let it sit for months or whatever, and then eventually.

[Shane]

Yeah, I don't know why you would drink that, but.

[Heath]

Yes, I know that. I know there's no alcohol allowed, but, like, you know, do you guys ever. Maybe once a year, you guys do, like, a wine and paint night where they get, like, a glass of wine, you know, nothing more than nothing to get them up, but just like, hey, I don't know. I could imagine.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Zane]

I don't know.

[Matt]

I.

[Zane]

Do you ever, like, overhear any sort of, like, plotting to. Oh, no, I'm gonna Rip the toilet off and there's a hole behind it. We can get out and we can scale the building.

[Heath]

He's not hearing that you think he is?

[Zane]

No. No escape plans or anything like that. Any drawings on the cell? Like, when you walk in, you see, like, a little diagram kind of how to get out out?

[Shane]

No.

[Matt]

Do you read their letters that they write to other people just to make sure that they're not plotting anything if it's.

[Shane]

Letters are scanned.

[Matt]

Okay. Letters. All letters.

[Heath]

Oh, you know, man, everything is digital.

[Shane]

So if you wanted to mail them, it's an email. You'd have to mail it to a separate facility. They'll scan it, and then it'll go to their.

[Zane]

And all call logs are recorded. Like, every video call, every phone call, every, like, always. All time.

[Heath]

Is there somebody actually, like, listening in or reading all the letters, or is it. Is it just a scan where. It scans for certain words that.

[Shane]

On the back end. I don't know, that's of a chain I.

[Matt]

All archived in case something happens they're able to read.

[Zane]

And that's why they try to do it where they start the first letter with a capital. And they do, like, little secret, like, coding in it.

[Heath]

It's good.

[Zane]

Oh, I told them about the haunted videos and things that you've caught, like.

[Heath]

Oh, yeah, in the prison or in the jail.

[Shane]

I didn't really believe it, but. But since I started there, they. They said that the jail was haunted, that officers have seen things and heard things and. Yeah, okay, whatever. And then one day, one of the officers comes running into control. He's like, hey, you know, roll the cameras back into this. To this specific time in the pod. Because he was going up the stairs to do his last check, locking everybody down, and he heard something. So roll the cameras back. You focus on them. And there's a mop laying on the floor, like, kind of poking out of the showers, just laying there. And as he's going up the stairs, once he gets to the top, you see the mop handle laying on the ground. Just go.

[Zane]

And just.

[Shane]

And there's slide. Nobody there. You can clearly see it, and it just moves. And I'm just like, no way. No way.

[Heath]

And I'm. You weren't able to, like, get that footage, right?

[Shane]

Oh, I have the footage.

[Heath]

You have the footage?

[Shane]

Yes.

[Zane]

We can airdrop it to the TV if you want.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Heath]

What's up with cleaning supplies? Remember that broom at Denny?

[Zane]

Huh?

[Heath]

That was crazy. But I'm sure it doesn't look good as, like. As clear as this one, though.

[Zane]

What was it you told me about? Another one, too. There was, like, something with a radio that, like, flew.

[Shane]

Yeah. The control officers sit in control. The radio's in, and it's stand charging the little mic piece, you know that? Yeah, it's clipped to it. It's secure. And she's sitting there, and it just pops off and flies off.

[Matt]

Crazy.

[Shane]

And I'm just like, there ain't no way.

[Matt]

Whoa.

[Shane]

So, yeah, I've been walking down the hallway, and we have a big green steel doors that divide the hallways. And I'll prop the door, and I just start walking, and I hear, like, somebody forcefully shut it it. Because it doesn't just shut. And if somebody rolls the lock, you hear the lock rolling, and it, you know, might close then. But this was like, somebody pushed it hard.

[Heath]

Yeah. I wouldn't be taking night shifts, so I'd be like, only day. Never get me in for night shift. No, I'm good.

[Zane]

No, I'm good.

[Heath]

I'm guessing the moth thing was at night.

[Shane]

It was during the day. During the day, during the day. That's why I was so crazy, because the night officers are definitely like, you know, I've seen thing in her. In her things.

[Zane]

In your journey, do you like. Do you ever, like, get scared walking alone? Like. Like, is there like a weird energy or any sort of, like, kind of like haunted feeling that you get in there or. Not really?

[Shane]

No. I've never felt any kind of presence, energy, but I could tell you it makes. It's there, I think.

[Matt]

I think those spaces hold energy, man. Yeah, it makes sense. Someone had someone's just soul being in there for that much time. It makes sense why, like, a soul wants to go back and. And just revisit it.

[Zane]

All right, so we got the video pulled up right now. This is. So you. You recorded the actual camera recording on the Jill cctv.

[Shane]

Okay, so each POD has cameras in the corners that are constantly recording.

[Heath]

Before we play this, what y' all need to update your cameras, man. Why is it.

[Zane]

Why you would think that it would be better quality?

[Heath]

I think jail cells need the top. Literally every detail should be clear as day.

[Zane]

Backup camera on my car is this.

[Shane]

At least, unlike Epstein's camera, this one doesn't shut off for a couple minutes at the end of the day. This constantly records.

[Zane]

Actually, no, we. I want to get into that afterwards. Just about how that would even.

[Shane]

It's impossible.

[Zane]

Impossible, right? You've never had anything like that ever happen.

[Shane]

But. Okay, back to this.

[Zane]

So look at the mop. And bucket.

[Matt]

Oh, what?

[Shane]

Turn. And that's after everybody's locked down. There's nobody in the pod. And I confirm, there's nobody in the pod.

[Zane]

God, that's.

[Shane]

And he's just making his rounds, his checks, and he. So what he was doing when he heard it, when he's going up the stairs, he heard a sound, and that's what triggered him to come back and say, hey, roll cameras back and take a look at this.

[Matt]

Whoa. Yeah, it looks like as if someone was just, like, back.

[Heath]

Like someone moved that.

[Zane]

That's weird.

[Heath]

And how long was that sitting there for?

[Shane]

It could have been there after, you know, they were cleaning, and it maybe fell off the wall or something. It was just sitting there.

[Matt]

My only. I don't know. My only. I think I have an explanation for it.

[Heath]

What?

[Matt]

That. Because mops, like, hold water, like, and if something like. And it's a whole, like, spaghetti of, you know, of rope. If there's, like, moisture in it, but the moisture, like, moved from, like, one side to another side within it.

[Heath]

Well, that's why I asked how long that's sitting there for.

[Matt]

Only like. But. I know. But that is.

[Heath]

But then also, also, whoever's cleaning that they couldn't put that shit away. It's almost like they were cleaning, like.

[Zane]

All right, I'm done. I'm done.

[Heath]

What the. It's just, like, not even put away.

[Shane]

Right?

[Matt]

That's my.

[Heath]

That's my biggest concern.

[Shane]

You don't have paid help, right? That's what you get.

[Zane]

That is crazy, though.

[Heath]

That. Yeah, that's. And this is, like, completely dark. It's supposed to be dark, right? When he was there.

[Shane]

No, it was, I believe the.

[Heath]

Oh, no, it was the middle of the day. You said it was the middle of the day. You're right. You're right.

[Matt]

Sorry.

[Shane]

Wow. So spooky going with that. Maybe. But all the other circumstantial evidence that, yeah. People have seen and talked about was like, what's.

[Zane]

Like. What's a story that you didn't see firsthand, but your co workers have experienced that. You were like, okay, that's.

[Shane]

They'll just. They'll just hear and see things of people, you know, walking a tear. They'll hear something.

[Zane]

Oh, like seeing, like, a figure out of a cell, like, moving the corner.

[Matt]

Of your eye just like.

[Heath]

Yeah, there was. I mean, Heath and I, we've both had a couple instances. Remember the one that I had at your house? That one was, like, really weird. Was the. When you. When you walked by.

[Zane]

Oh, yes.

[Heath]

And I Was like, oh, like he just walked by. You were outside that one. That one really got me.

[Zane]

I think my worst one was when I was in my bathroom and it was the one right next to my living room. And I heard Zayn laughing like his la. Like a really loud laugh. And I was like, oh, cool, Zane's here. And I was just like. As soon as I finished going to the bathroom room and then I walked out. I was like, yo, where'd you go?

[Shane]

Nowhere.

[Zane]

I was like, Zane? I looked my whole house. I called Zane. I'm like, where did you go? You just got here. He's like, what do you. I'm at my house. What are you talking about? He wasn't there, but it was clear as day.

[Matt]

You already haunting this.

[Heath]

You know, it's crazy. It's crazy that you're so like confident in yourself. We're like, oh, I expected to walk.

[Zane]

Out and see you in front.

[Heath]

Yeah. That's when I had. When I saw you walk by, I was like, oh, he just walked by.

[Zane]

Crazy.

[Heath]

And then like, I look two seconds later you're walking outside, like coming inside. I was like, okay, is this that type of where it's like, I might like my meds good. Like, like, yeah, a little bit. My eyes deceiving me.

[Zane]

Have you ever found any shanks or like any sort of like makeshift weapon, something?

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Zane]

Oh, really?

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Heath]

What's the craziest one?

[Matt]

What's its most. Are people using like plastic forks to make them? What's like the. The go to if you're gonna whip something up?

[Shane]

I mean, geez. I mean if you really wanted to, you could step somebody with a pin.

[Heath]

Yeah, but they're not having pens lay around.

[Shane]

Right. There was one. So on the back of the bunk is a cross brace and it's maybe like an inch and a half piece of steel that goes to hold the bunk together. Well, somebody had taken that off. So now you have a. Oh, chunk of steel that's this long that you can wheel on and that. That, that would do some damage. Yeah.

[Matt]

Are you allowed to hang things up in your cell?

[Shane]

Hang things up?

[Matt]

Like posters, you know, you say you don't get letters. Yeah. Decorate.

[Shane]

Nothing on the walls.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Heath]

Ah, like no picture, like no little pictures.

[Matt]

Is it. Have you ever had like inmates who are like really talented at like one thing and you're like, my gosh, I can't believe you're in here.

[Zane]

Is there like a fantastic singing around the halls?

[Shane]

Like they're is some really crazy good artists? I think there's they might be tattoo artists or something. Like really, really good drawings. Really good at sketching.

[Matt]

Good news. Selling them.

[Heath]

Damn, that's really good out here.

[Shane]

It's a hustle for some people because somebody wants, you know, send a card to their girlfriend or whatever, and they'll make a nice pretty little drawing on it of flowers, whatever.

[Heath]

If I was a girl and I got a note, fun little postcard from the prison zone. It had a little.

[Zane]

He spent his prison money.

[Matt]

Oh, it.

[Zane]

Make it special. That would be little.

[Heath]

Yeah. My penny's in a knot.

[Zane]

A little extra detail. You know, one.

[Shane]

One guy was a Junior Olympian.

[Zane]

Oh, really?

[Shane]

Again, not going to name names, but from everything. No damn good boxing. And I've seen it when he did a couple other people.

[Matt]

Oh. But I just.

[Heath]

On a couple faces in there.

[Shane]

Yeah. Just fast hands, man. And I'm like, dang. But drugs, stay off the drugs.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Shane]

I mean, that just ruins everything. I mean, he could. He really, really legitimately could.

[Matt]

It's such a crisis.

[Zane]

What's the most common drug charge? Like, is it fentanyl?

[Matt]

Hair?

[Zane]

Like, what is. What are you seeing most people?

[Shane]

Everybody coming in is fennel.

[Zane]

Always.

[Shane]

For the majority, pretty much 90% is fennel.

[Heath]

So what, they're going to jail for, like what they have on or what?

[Matt]

They're addicted?

[Shane]

Yeah. You know, fentanyl for resale. You know, drugs for resale, possession or. Or they're just high and it's just all fentanyl.

[Heath]

I. I think I'm a little confused on fentanyl because I know fentanyl kills people even when you have a little dose of it. How are people getting addicted to fentanyl when it kills you immediately?

[Shane]

Apparently, that's the question I had.

[Heath]

Had.

[Shane]

But as far as I understand the pill, you don't just like, take it, you, You, I guess, crush it and smoke it and you do little, little teeny tiny whiffs of it because I.

[Zane]

Heard it's so strong and potent that even just like. Yeah, a little too much.

[Shane]

Just a little too much.

[Zane]

Tiny little drop will take you out.

[Shane]

I mean, as an officer, that's one of my bigger fears was, you know, doing. If you do booking or something, just touching it. If it touches you.

[Matt]

Really?

[Shane]

Officers fall out.

[Heath]

Oh, my God.

[Shane]

And the other danger is too, is like, oh, I'm not doing fentanyl. I'm just smoking weed. Well, now they're cutting fentanyl in the weed.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Shane]

It's in literally everything.

[Matt]

They're putting in cocaine and that's like such A huge issue, too.

[Heath]

Yeah, I know that.

[Shane]

And then speaking of the. The fentanyl lows, you know how much people are doing like, you're gonna die. Well, they come into jail, detox off fentanyl, and then they get out on the street and they think, I was taking this much. But they've detoxed, they've cleansed their body. Oh, they'll do it again.

[Zane]

Higher tolerance and they drop.

[Matt]

Yeah. Oh, wow. Makes a lot of sense.

[Zane]

What. What does, like, a fentanyl detox look like? So somebody gets brought in, it takes, like, a week for them to, like, get off. And, like, it's like hell for them for a week.

[Shane]

Yeah. Days vomiting, throwing up, diarrhea. Just extremely weak, can't get up.

[Matt]

Wow.

[Shane]

Just lay there and detox. But they're. They're doing other things now with certain. It's called Suboxone. Suboxone. That helps people come off of those.

[Matt]

Drugs, like ibogaine for. Also. Yeah, heroin or methadone. Not as hard as. Well, now having the perspective of, you know, watching inmates all the time. If you had to serve.

[Zane]

Hold on real quick.

[Heath]

Sorry.

[Shane]

Would I be.

[Matt]

Well, not where.

[Heath]

That's insane. I did not know it was that tiny of them in amount.

[Zane]

That is crazy.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Heath]

So a little dot of that. They're smoking like a dot of that because. What? It's not even worth the risk. Just go for heroin at that point. The fuck? That's crazy. What is it making you feel like?

[Shane]

I don't know where.

[Heath]

It's like, oh, I got. Instead of.

[Matt]

I also know they, like, medically give fentanyl too. Right. Like, when you're in the hospital. It's also like a medical grade. Like.

[Zane]

Okay.

[Matt]

I don't know if it's a painkiller, but.

[Shane]

Yeah, it's an anesthetic.

[Matt]

Yeah, it's an anesthetic that. It's like. There's. So fentanyl is given like. Like in controlled doses in hospitals, but.

[Shane]

It'S like a thousand times weaker.

[Matt]

Right.

[Shane]

It's something like that. Don't quote me.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Zane]

Is this like. Like a cheaper on the drug scale? Like, is this cheaper than heroin? Is this cheaper than meth? And that's why people. Yeah, it's more common and cheap.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Zane]

Okay.

[Shane]

It's cheap.

[Matt]

It's cheap.

[Zane]

I don't know the price.

[Matt]

Back to my question, though, so I don't want to say no. I. My question was not like. Like having the perspective of what they're going through every day in their cell block. How would you pass the time. If you had one year in prison, would. Would you just do a lot of push ups? Would you read every day? Like, what do you think is the most best way to pass the time and be the best inmate you can?

[Shane]

Okay, so we didn't get into it, but we had the pods, right, where everybody has the cell doors. But we also have a certain section of the jail that's called the workhouse, and there's four separate dormitories, and that is open all the time. Okay. So it's just a big room, bunch of bunks in there. 30, 40 guys in there. So you're not locking down in a cell every day. You have freedom to roam around and.

[Zane]

Okay.

[Shane]

And do things and interact. It's a little bit more privileges that way. But you can't just get in there. You gotta apply to get in there. You don't make sure you're. I'll just try and be in my best behavior and just keep bothering my pot officer about getting into the.

[Zane]

So that's a. It's a pod like thing, but there's no doors that you have to check into and close at night. You just go into one of the bunks, and you could just be, like a communal area.

[Shane]

It's like four rows of bunks, and it's just all the way back. It's just big, like barracks. I don't know.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah.

[Heath]

And they, like, feel better than, like, being in any.

[Matt]

Yeah, you feel. Psychologically, you feel a little bit more, like, free.

[Shane]

You're not closed in because we'll do maintenance checks and stuff and sell searches. And you go in this room, and it's. It's tiny. And just being in there, I'm just looking around like this, I. I would lose my mind. I've actually got stuck in one.

[Zane]

You got stuck in one?

[Matt]

Oh, no.

[Shane]

So we have radios. So, like Shutter Island. So we just radio control. Control. Can you roll, you know, the pod and the door number.

[Heath]

Were you by yourself?

[Zane]

I freak out. Accidentally lock myself with somebody in there.

[Matt]

How y' all doing?

[Heath]

Where's the key?

[Matt]

All right, guys. All right. Laughs over Settle down.

[Heath]

All right. Anybody getting this?

[Matt]

Yeah, roll the. Roll the door. Wait. But you see, you know, sometimes on the Internet, I'll see, like, inmates who do have cell phones that they've snuck in and they're making tick tocks from. Yeah, all the time is from. I know that probably doesn't happen where you work, but how do you make sense of that? Is that a. A prison that they're in? That must Be just loose and is not paying attention to anything, to what their inmates are doing. And I don't understand the balls of those inmates to be posting those tick tocks. And I'm like, wouldn't know it's gonna be. Yeah. Wouldn't their corrections officers be like, I saw you post a tick tock last night. Don't. Just like, I didn't see it. Y' all were doing the renegade dance, and it was like, can you get it?

[Heath]

And you would think the service would be in there. Like, with. With all that cell concrete, metal everywhere.

[Shane]

Terrible. Some. Some are better than others. We have ones that are behind the open pod, and then you have a door that goes to another door, and those are the med cells, and they're behind a big steel door, so there's no reception back there. Yeah. So they'll ask to come out and do their visit and stuff like that. But, yeah, prisons. And I've heard stories from Imminence that I've known them before they went out to prison. They come back for court or something else for another charge, whatever. And they're telling me, yeah, meth in here is cheaper than on the streets.

[Matt]

Oh, wow.

[Heath]

Insane.

[Shane]

And I'm like, how are you guys getting this? And they're like, officers?

[Zane]

No way.

[Shane]

Officers in a county by. By me. Recently charged with bringing in drugs.

[Zane]

So, like, people that work in the jails are like, selling to them to be able to.

[Matt]

Do you have a warden?

[Shane]

We have this.

[Matt]

Is that what they're called, a warden?

[Shane]

Yeah, we have a. A captain that's over the jail and above them is.

[Zane]

That's the guy with the. The gun on top.

[Shane]

Yeah. The jail. Huh?

[Zane]

The guy with the gun on top.

[Matt]

Right.

[Shane]

Oh, he's like, on the wall we had now. But we have a sh. Right. So the sheriff is. This sheriff is the top dog in the county.

[Zane]

Is there a. Is there actually like a timeout cell?

[Matt]

Like.

[Zane]

Like the white walls where. No. No window. No. And it's just. You're in there and they don't know what time it is. The lights are always on.

[Matt]

Solitary.

[Zane]

Is that real?

[Heath]

I feel like that's prison.

[Shane]

So all our pods are alphabetical. Abcdefg, H, I, J, K, Alim.

[Zane]

Keep going.

[Shane]

And then we'd be together.

[Heath]

A pod. We'd be put together.

[Shane]

APOD is the bad pod for the males.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Shane]

So, like, hey, you need to cut it out. You're going to go to APOD and there's. And that is just a pod, a door. And you don't have Access to tap tablet. Nothing. And you're in there locked down 23 and one. Wow. You get one hour out by all. You have to get that, and that is it. Wow. Wow. And you just sitting there and tool your thumbs. Damn. So if you cause. If you cause a fight, you start a fight. 30, 60 days, boom. A pod.

[Heath]

Oh, my God. So you're really punished when. That's why everybody just don't start fights. Yeah. That's not worth it all.

[Zane]

Okay, this might be stupid, but is there, like, so far, like, do they get, like a. Like, are they able to, like, sit comfortable? You know what I mean? I would just want to be like.

[Heath]

I need to sit somewhere.

[Zane]

Like, I don't want. I don't want to sit crisscross applesauce.

[Matt]

On concrete bench every day. Yeah, yeah, you get it.

[Shane]

You get a steel stool.

[Heath]

Oh, my ass would just hurt. My. My sciatica would be so bad in there.

[Matt]

Do they get access to the world wide Web at all? Like, there's no Internet, Google and stuff? Yes. No, no. Yeah, makes sense.

[Shane]

And there's no inner pod communications. Right. You don't want somebody in CPOD communicating. Somebody in D pod and organizing something. Organizing crime, violence.

[Matt]

Right.

[Shane]

Somebody. Target.

[Matt]

What about pornography? Can you bring it a Playboy?

[Heath]

I'm waiting for you to finish.

[Matt]

Like.

[Shane]

No, no, but you have to watch for the visits on the tablets. Now. They do their visits on themselves. So they're sitting on their bunks and. Yeah, they're sitting on the bunks and having the visits with their lady at home.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah. Show me some.

[Heath]

Like. What about, like, magazines? Like, Playboy magazines?

[Shane]

No, no.

[Matt]

Wow.

[Zane]

Do they. Are they just in their bunk just doing their thing?

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Zane]

Masturbation happening.

[Shane]

Yeah. What they'll do is they'll take their blanket or towels and they'll hang it around and make, like, little curtains.

[Heath]

Oh, fraternity curtains.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah. Frack curtains.

[Shane]

They'll do that.

[Zane]

And there's two people in there, so the other guy's just kind of chilling. Just wait.

[Matt]

Mind your business. Wow. Gotta pass the time.

[Shane]

All right, if we see those curtains, that's a. No, no, we got to take those down.

[Heath]

Oh, okay. So it's like.

[Shane]

Yeah, that's a. That's a security thing.

[Matt]

They could be dirty curtains.

[Shane]

They could be doing that. I could have beat the brakes off my mate and laid him in his bunk. And he's dying.

[Matt]

Right.

[Zane]

You know, you don't know what's behind it.

[Shane]

So we need to be able to see them in their cell, even though we do an hourly Check every hour. If the deposit's not open, you're going through looking in. Make sure everybody's live, alive and present and where they're supposed to be.

[Zane]

That's so crazy.

[Heath]

If you were to walk by a cell and they're, like, out in the open, would you. Is. Is that. Do they get in trouble or is it just kind of like, oh, well, they're doing. They're not doing anything bad.

[Matt]

They're in their conduct, though.

[Shane]

Like, sexual misconduct.

[Heath]

They're in their own bed. They're in their own cell.

[Shane]

We have. So there's laws. Right. But there's also jail policies, and it's not a law, but it's a sexual misconduct. You can't make any sexual remarks, marks, no sexual gestures or get in trouble within the jail.

[Matt]

Are there female corrections officers? Yes, that are. That are patrolling the men?

[Shane]

Yes.

[Matt]

Oh, that's a tough job if you're doing that. Like, I could not.

[Heath]

You know what? I'm surprised they even have that. I'm surprised to even, like, just have the lady.

[Zane]

Just.

[Shane]

That. That is one thing, because the. The toilet's right at the door. There's a window. So you're doing your check. You guys standing there in there peeing in the toilet. You look in and make sure it's up.

[Heath]

And then there's male officers for the woman's.

[Shane]

So men cannot work the females.

[Heath]

Got. Okay, makes sense.

[Shane]

But females can work the males.

[Zane]

It's just safety purposes.

[Heath]

Yeah. More safety for the females.

[Shane]

Yeah. But two, the guys, even though they're in for crimes and douchebags in general society, they all collectively have a respect for women. Women. So they will make sure that nobody's doing anything to the female officers. They do have a certain level of respect that they give to the females than they give to the males. And they will give us the hard time and. But they're more polite for the women.

[Heath]

Got it.

[Matt]

What if I. If I was a inmate and I was really good at doing backflips and tumbling, can I freely, like, if I'm really good at, like, I don't know, dancing or something.

[Zane]

You got something I could juggle real quick?

[Matt]

Like, let me just get. Some inmate is just practicing doing backflips. Is that allowed? Or it's like you stop horsing around. Like, where. Like. You know what I mean? Like, yeah.

[Shane]

Horse plays against rules.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Zane]

Would that be considered horseplay if you're by yourself just tumbling, just doing some cartwheels, flips?

[Shane]

I've never seen anybody do it, but I Would. I would tell them to stop just because they could slip and crack their head and then we're liable.

[Matt]

What if ever. So I'm thinking about like a class cloud. Like if a teacher was like, okay, if you guys behave yourself for the rest of the day, I'll have so and so get up and they can. Can. They can sing. Is there anyone? They're like, please, please, we'll be so good. We just want to see him do this thing. Are you ever like, okay, okay, calm down, let's see it. And then the person does their thing and they're like, damn, that was amazing. Like, I don't know.

[Heath]

Does that happen? I think Matt's really thinking it's a kids classroom.

[Matt]

Yeah. I don't know if there's just someone.

[Shane]

Who has, I think, a lot of fun in jail.

[Matt]

I think so.

[Heath]

Maybe that asl.

[Matt]

All right.

[Zane]

Guy just tap dancing in there. Yeah.

[Matt]

Just like, come on. He's so good at it. Can we please do it? Like.

[Zane]

Stupid.

[Matt]

This has been so insightful.

[Zane]

Yeah, it really is.

[Matt]

I've learned.

[Heath]

I've learned honestly.

[Matt]

Learned a lot. Like, this was great.

[Zane]

What's your favorite part about the, like, all time, number one. Like, what do you, like, love about it?

[Shane]

I've never done anything like this before, but. And I'm an introvert by nature, but I like seeing a change in people. And then like I said, when I see them on the outside and they're doing well, that makes me like, knowing.

[Zane]

That you made a difference and you.

[Shane]

Like, help me in some way. Maybe it's stupid, but.

[Heath]

Yeah, yeah, that's not stupid at all.

[Zane]

So that's cool. Yeah, no, absolutely. Well, I appreciate you.

[Matt]

Thank you.

[Zane]

Well, first of all, he came out to help me move, so I'm grateful for that, but I know I. I begged you to come on here, but we, we really appreciate it.

[Heath]

Yes.

[Shane]

Thanks for having me, guys.

[Heath]

Of course, man. Thank you, man.

[Matt]

But where can they find you? Hopefully. Hopefully they don't find.

[Heath]

Hopefully you never see him.

[Zane]

Thank you guys so much for tuning in to another episode. We love you so much. If you want to check out our Patreon. Patreon.com Zayn and Heath. We keep these cameras rolling so you get an extended cut of every single podcast episode. You get early access a few days early. You're going to get it ad free. We do a bonus episode every single month. We do a live Q and a every single month.

[Shane]

Month.

[Zane]

It's going to be amazing. Our live is actually going to be done from Tennessee for this next one, so it's going to be pretty cool. Get to see the new spot so definitely check it out. Patreon.com Zane and Heath, you can check.

[Heath]

Out these episodes every Monday audio form on all podcast platforms and every Tuesday video form on YouTube.com Zayn and Heath, we love you so much. Unwind. We'll see you in five seconds.

[Matt]

Love you.

[Zane]

Peace.

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