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Intuitive Eating 101 with Christy Harrison | Get Fit Sanely Listener Picks
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We asked listeners to tell us about some of their favorite episodes from our Get Fit Sanely series, and we’ll be bringing you some excerpts of those episodes on Fridays this month. Today, we’re hearing from listener Traci who was introduced to the...
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Christy Harrison
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Dan Harris
It'S the 10% Happier podcast. I'm Dan Harris.
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Tracy
Hello my fellow suffering beings. How we doing?
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Dan Harris
Happy Friday. As you know, or I think you might know, we're in the middle of our month long Get Fit Sanely series where we talk about how to take care of your body without losing your mind. And this is the third year we've done this series and we've been curious to hear from you, our listeners, how the previous episodes have impacted your life. So we put out a call over on substackanharris.com and we asked for people to tell us about an episode from our past iterations of Get Fit Sanely that really resonated with you and how it inspired you to make a change. And we got a great response. So all month we are sharing your feedback and then an excerpt from the podcast that impacted you so much.
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Christy Harrison
So.
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Dan Harris
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Tracy
It can be pretty stressful.
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Dan Harris
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Tracy
Of those mugs that all the Gen.
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Christy Harrison
My name's Tracy and I wanted to share a little bit about the incredible benefits that the intuitive eating concept that Dan Harris spoke with Christy Harrison about several years ago. I was more skeptical than Dan for sure when I was listening to Give you a little background. I was a really active kid when puberty hit and I felt like I had a few pounds to lose. I went straight into dieting, fasting and exercising, always as an attempt to be thin. It had nothing to do with health or lifestyle change. I just wanted to be skinny. And I never was built to be skinny. In my early 30s, at some point I learned about Atkins, which was a weird thing. I thought that was freedom. I could eat however much I wanted as long as it wasn't carbs. So while it did keep me thin, quote unquote for a certain phase, I was never satisfied. I wasn't relating healthfully to food for sure. In my 50s I heard Dan and Christy on the 10% Happier podcast talk about intuitive eating, and I couldn't believe it could be true. I was also reading about meditation and practicing and like Christy said, the concept really did play nicely in with what I was learning, so I thought I'd give it a try. And I've never looked back and I am forever grateful. So thank you. 10% happier. Dan Harris and Christy Harrison, for all that you're doing. Keep up the good work. Namaste.
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Dan Harris
Thank you, Tracy. Appreciate you. Many listeners have heard me mention how.
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Tracy
Intuitive eating has been huge for me as well.
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Dan Harris
Okay, so now let's hear the part of the interview where Christy Harrison talks more about her own history of eating and the changes she made to help her find a little bit more sanity around food.
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Tracy
I'd love to hear a little bit more, if you're comfortable, about how you went through a period of time where your relationship to food and body image was. I think the term of art here is disordered. Are you comfortable talking about that?
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Christy Harrison
Absolutely. Yeah. So, you know, my background is that I actually was an intuitive eater growing up. I had a really peaceful relationship with food. I was fortunate and privileged, really, to have enough food growing up. So we never had that food insecurity piece interfering in my relationship with food. And I was always in a smaller body. So I never had anyone telling me I needed to lose weight, putting me on a diet. So I was able to sort of have that intuitive relationship with food that we're all born with. That lasted until I was about 20 years old, actually. And so I was able to eat when I was hungry, stop when I was full, eat what satisfied me, eat, figure out what that was, just sort of discover foods that I liked and make my own snacks when I got old enough. So it was a really lucky sort of upbringing, I think, because a lot of people don't get that. But when I was 20, I went and studied abroad in Paris and gained a little bit of weight while I was there. I had switched birth control pills, so I think that was part of it. And also just all the baguettes and the cheese, you know, delicious. So I gained some weight. And then suddenly everything that I had been hearing about diets and the need to lose weight and how you lose weight and calories, all that just sort of came rushing to the fore because I had grown up around it. I'd grown up around people who were dieting and talking about that stuff. So even though it was never imposed on me, it was sort of like filed away in the archives, ready for me when I did gain some weight. And so pretty quickly, I started restricting what I was eating, started exercising to try to lose weight, and got into some pretty disordered stuff fairly quickly because it was the early days of the Internet. This was like 2001, 2002. I got into calorie counting. I got into Atkins, which was sort of becoming a big trend in the US at the time. And when I got home from my study abroad, it was really like in it with diet culture and pretty quickly tumbled into what I now know was a diagnosable eating disorder. I never actually got diagnosed at the time, but you know, I was in this pretty toxic relationship with food in my body of restricting undereating during the day, often binging at night. And the binges would sort of get more and more intense the more I restricted and then over exercising to try to compensate and then wash, rinse, repeat, basically the next day and the next day and the next. That was all at the beginning of career as a journalist. And so at the time I was so obsessed with food and nutrition and health that those were the beats I gravitated towards. And that's what I sort of built my career around. And so I started working in different magazines and food media, environmental magazines as well. But the real turning point I think for me was discovering the book Intuitive Eating by Evelyn Tribling. Elise Resch. And I know you had Evelyn on the podcast before and she's a friend of both of ours and she's a wonderful person. And I discovered the book because I was starting to research my own book that I never ended up writing about emotional eating, because at the time I identified as an emotional eater, felt like, you know, I'm just out of control with food. And so through that research I discovered intuitive eating. I brought that into my own therapy with a therapist who was really more specialized in like anxiety, somatic experiencing, sensory motor psychotherapy and a lot of mindfulness. And so that's where I really first discovered meditation and self compassion. And I think intuitive eating just sort of plugged right in with those practices and made a lot of sense to me both as someone who had been an intuitive eater growing up and sort of practiced that for 20 years of my life. And as someone who was newly discovering self compassion and meditation and mindfulness, like it just really resonated with where I was.
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Tracy
Let's talk about intuitive eating. What is intuitive eating?
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Christy Harrison
So intuitive eating is, I always say, the default mode. It's that really easy, peaceful relationship with food that we're all born with. Where we honor our hunger, we feel our fullness, we trust our sense of satisfaction and pleasure. We're able to enjoy our food and really naturally not second guess our choices with food and not feel guilty or ashamed or stigmatized for our food choices. That's the mode that I would love to see everyone be able to get back into in relating to food in their bodies. To just have that peaceful, self compassionate, easy, free relationship with food where it doesn't take up so much headspace, where it's, you know, maybe a thought in your day, maybe you have to think about what to make and what to eat. But that it's not an obsession, it's not something that's requiring a ton of planning, planning or self abnegation or deprivation, that you're able to actually enjoy food and be flexible with food and be present with people and connect over food, have food as a part of celebrations and pleasure as well as being used for energy and fuel.
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Tracy
I know you hear this all the time and this was my beef when I first met Evelyn Tribolet, who you discussed before. She's one of the progenitors of this notion of, of this approach called intuitive eating. If you go back and listen to that podcast, I think it was January of 2020, I believe you can hear me. I go in super skeptical. By the end, I'm utterly converted and actually have been working personally one on one with Evelyn since that has completely changed my approach to eating and my approach to, you know, how I talk about food with my son too. But what one of the skeptical notes I was hitting in that interview, which I know you hear all the time, is, wait a minute. If you tell me there are no good foods and no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want whenever I want it, well, I'm just gonna have my face in an Oreo box forever, right?
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Christy Harrison
Yeah. And that is a phase that people sometimes go through. I sometimes call that the honeymoon phase with particular types of foods. Right. That you're so excited to have access to those foods again that that's all you want. That it's, you know, you want to be with those foods 24 7, like the honeymoon phase of a relationship or something. Also, it's part of what I call the restriction pendulum, where when you've been restricted and you're sort of pulled over to the side of restriction, there's this other side of the pendulum that you swing to that's sort of make up eating or rebound eating. You can't just sort of expect to settle in the middle at a place of peace when you've been really pulled over to the side of restriction. Because physics doesn't work like that with a pendulum and our bodies don't work like that either. So I think it's definitely really scary and I want to empathize with the fear that that can bring up of, oh my God, I'm going to never eat anything but Oreos again. Or whatever your food of choice is that was maybe previously forbidden. And I'm living proof that you can get to the other side of that, that that's not forever, that you can actually have those foods in your house for months sometimes and not feel like you have to dive to the bottom of the box. Like foods that I thought I could never keep in the house when I was in my disordered eating days are now regular parts of my everyday menu and in my pantry for as long as they want to be, sometimes for months. And not that that's a badge of honor, right, to not eat the food either, because that's just turning intuitive eating into a diet as well. To say, oh, yeah, intuitive eating. I'm an intuitive eater and I just never want this stuff. Like sometimes you genuinely won't want it, but in a lot of cases you do still want the foods that were previously forbidden. And then you sort of had the honeymoon phase with. You still eat them, but you're just not eating them in this sort of frenzied or compulsive or like someone who's just crawled through the desert and sees water sort of way. It's a much more balanced, low key, kind of take it or leave it sort of way that you relate to those foods.
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Tracy
To really address people who are listening, who are new to intuitive eating. Can you talk on the most basic sort of blocking and tackling level? What is different in the mind of an intuitive eater in a meal, how are you approaching the meal differently than the rest of us?
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Christy Harrison
Such a good question. I think the first word that comes to mind is just ease. Like there's just so much more ease with it. There's so much more of a sense of like, not a big deal, this is food. Maybe I'm excited about it, maybe it smells good, or maybe I'm curious but wary. You know, it's a new food that I'm. I've never tried before and someone else made it. Or, you know, there might be other sort of feelings going on, right, about the food and about the meal, but there's not this sense of guilt or the sort of self control that goes into, you know, when you're a dieter. So sitting down to a meal, it's like, oh, I'm going to eat this, but I'm not going to eat that. I'm only going to have half of this. I'm going to set this portion aside to take home with me. Whatever little rules that you've sort of picked up along the way in diet culture, there's just not that sort of sense of calculation, of intellectualizing with it. It's much more of a, I guess again, embodied experience, right? Where it's like, this smells good. What are the flavors? How hungry am I? How much do I want based on my hunger? Sensing your satisfaction with the me sensing when you're starting to get full, not having any sort of self judgments about that too, right? Or I think sometimes with intuitive eating in the early stages, people who start to sense fullness will start getting sad and sort of have this feeling like, no, being full means I have to stop, means I have to give this up or I'm not allowed to have any more or something like that. But with intuitive eating, there's not that sense of guilt. There's once you've gone through maybe the sort of mourning process of like allowing your fullness to sort of drive how much more you're gonna eat. There's not a sense of sadness necessarily when the meal's over, although if it tastes really delicious, of course there's probably gonna be some sense of like, oh, I wish I could keep eating this, it's so good. But yeah, it's really just a much more relaxed approach to food. And it doesn't require as much intellectualizing, planning, self shaming, guilt. There are not as many voices that maybe come from a scolding parent or from a diet that you were on a million years ago. Or with diet culture, I think there's often this accumulation of different diet rules. So even if someone's not on a particular diet now, they have all these rules in their head from diets they were previously on. Or even if they are on a particular diet now. It's like I'm doing Atkins, but I'm also still counting calories, but I'm also still trying to eat low fat or whatever it is. Right? There's just much less noise in your head.
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Dan Harris
Thank you to Christy. And thanks again to Tracy, our listener, for suggesting that excerpt. We'll put a link to the full episode in the show notes here. And don't forget, for this year's version of Get Fit Sanely, every episode includes a bespoke meditation, a guided meditation that comes from my friend and the friend of the show and Dharma teacher Kara Lai. Those meditations are only available to paying subscribers over on Dan Harris, so get on over there and sign up if you haven't done that already. Before I go, just a quick thank you to everybody who worked so hard to make this show. Our producers are Tara Anderson, Caroline Keenan and Eleanor Vasily. Our recording and engineering is handled by the great folks over at Pod People. Lauren Smith is our managing producer. Marissa Schneiderman is our senior producer. DJ Cashmere is our executive producer. And Nick Thorburn of the band Islands wrote our theme.
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