Kinky Kings w/ Jim Norton | 2 Bears, 1 Cave

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Kinky Kings w/ Jim Norton"

Podcast Information:

• Title: 2 Bears, 1 Cave with Tom Segura & Bert Kreischer
• Host/Author: YMH Studios
• Episode: Kinky Kings w/ Jim Norton
• Release Date: June 23, 2025

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Introduction and Guest Appearance

The episode kicks off with Tom Segura and Bert Kreischer welcoming their special guest, Jim Norton, a beloved comedian known for his sharp wit and candid discussions. Bert notes, “[00:05] Bert Kreischer: Well, Bert is recovering from quadruple bypass. It's going to be a few weeks, but as he recovers, we have some great friends stopping in and stopping with us,” highlighting the supportive dynamic among the hosts.

Jim Norton expresses his gratitude for the warm welcome: “[00:24] Jim Norton: Thank you, Tom. Oh, thank you for that applause.” The camaraderie is evident as Bert continues, “[00:27] Bert Kreischer: Doesn't that feel good?” setting a relaxed and humorous tone for the episode.

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World War II Documentaries and Hitler’s Portrayal

A significant portion of the conversation delves into World War II documentaries, particularly focusing on Adolf Hitler's portrayal. Bert shares his fascination: “[00:37] Bert Kreischer: Speaking of gerbils, man, it's a Hitler summer. Here we are. I've been watching nothing but World War II docs because sometimes you’re like, I've seen it. And then a new one comes out... I’m just fascinated.”

Jim Norton adds depth by referencing personal accounts: “[01:19] Jim Norton: I did see. I read an article about a guy. He was a Jewish guy who lived. He was one of Hitler's neighbors... He wrote a book... his family got out of there.” This personal narrative emphasizes the complex human interactions during the war, contrasting the often one-dimensional portrayal of Hitler.

Bert elaborates on Hitler’s multifaceted personality as depicted in documentaries: “[01:39] Bert Kreischer: When the youth kids are joining and he shakes, he switches hand and taps their face like this. And he's like, you're a good boy... How come we don't see more of this? I'm tired of seeing the negative spin.”

Jim reflects on the evolution of warfare: “[02:45] Jim Norton: We have wars going on right now, that there's... World War III tomorrow, it wouldn't look like those wars, like with the way technology. This was like, you know, the people were just like, I love my country and I'm just going to battle.”

This segment underscores the enduring interest and evolving understanding of historical events through new media releases.

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Stand-Up Comedy: Bombed Sets and Audience Interaction

Transitioning to comedy, the hosts and guest share personal anecdotes about bombing on stage and the challenges of stand-up. Bert recounts a particularly rough set: “[52:20] Bert Kreischer: I was supposed to do 25 minutes in the... summer of Katrina... I thought a clever opener would be my observation that...”

Jim empathizes with the struggle, stating: “[55:27] Jim Norton: No, the... [55:28] Bert Kreischer: The skill set. [55:29] Jim Norton: No, you have to. And a lot of times, if I... I see it, too.”

The discussion highlights the vulnerability comedians face when performing live, emphasizing the importance of resilience and adaptability. They share tips on handling bombed sets, such as pivoting strategies and maintaining honesty with the audience: “[55:45] Jim Norton: But when you plow ahead, like, you know that went as planned.”

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Mental Health and Personal Struggles

Jim Norton opens up about his struggles with anxiety and the importance of therapy: “[17:24] Jim Norton: And the reason I still... displaying a lot of self-awareness about his mental health struggles, Bert commends the openness: “[62:51] Bert Kreischer: I was like, you can kind of tell someone's impact by how long they keep doing that.”

This candid conversation underscores the significance of mental health awareness, especially in high-pressure environments like comedy and entertainment.

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Interviews with Celebrities and Historical Figures

The episode features reminisces about interviews with notable personalities. Jim shares insights from his interview with Dana White: “[38:54] Jim Norton: We talked boxing and we talked MMA for about 40 minutes and he remembered everything.”

Bert reflects on interactions with figures like William Shatner and Buzz Aldrin, highlighting their unique personalities: “[37:27] Bert Kreischer: Like crazy. [37:28] Jim Norton: And they're right.”

These anecdotes provide listeners with behind-the-scenes glimpses into the personalities that shape popular culture and history.

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Reflections on Patrice O'Neal and Legacy

A heartfelt segment discusses the late comedian Patrice O'Neal. Jim and Bert reminisce about their time with Patrice, sharing personal stories and the impact he had on their lives and careers: “[64:07] Bert Kreischer: How long is it friends? How long has he been... [66:19] Jim Norton: Awful.”

Jim reflects on Patrice's growth and his own feelings of relevance, highlighting the importance of legacy and the enduring influence of peers: “[63:09] Jim Norton: You know, I just found a video...”

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Conclusion

The episode concludes with light-hearted banter and final thoughts on navigating the comedy landscape, emphasizing the importance of authenticity and continuous growth: “[69:00] Tom Segura: Here's what we call two bears, one cave.”

Jim promotes his new special, “Unconceivable,” encouraging listeners to check it out on his YouTube channel: “[68:22] Bert Kreischer: Be sure to check out Jim's new special, Unconceivable. It is out right now on his YouTube channel.”

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Notable Quotes:

• Jim Norton [00:24]: "Thank you, Tom. Oh, thank you for that applause."
• Bert Kreischer [00:37]: "I've been watching nothing but World War II docs because sometimes you're like, I've seen it."
• Jim Norton [01:19]: "He was one of the few people alive who'd had like a personal interaction with Hitler."
• Bert Kreischer [52:20]: "I thought a clever opener would be my observation that... nothing gets my dick harder than a bloated carcass floating by."
• Jim Norton [17:24]: "I learned that people, when you feel shame about anything, it grows in you and it stays."
• Jim Norton [25:16]: "All the same thing. And I hate myself for at times still requiring that."
• Bert Kreischer [62:51]: "You can kind of tell someone's impact by how long they keep doing that."
• Jim Norton [66:20]: "But that was part of the thing that... I really did love him."

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Final Thoughts

"Kinky Kings w/ Jim Norton" offers a rich tapestry of conversations ranging from historical analyses and personal comebacks in comedy to deep dives into mental health and the legacies of influential comedians. The interplay between Tom, Bert, and Jim provides both humor and profound insights, making it a valuable listen for fans and newcomers alike.

Transcript

[Tom Segura]

100%.

[Bert Kreischer]

Well, Bert is recovering from quadruple bypass. It's going to be a few weeks, but as he recovers, we have some great friends stopping in and stopping with us. Right now is one of our absolute favorite comics. You can see his new special, unconceivable on his YouTube channel. It's Jim Norton, everybody.

[Jim Norton]

Thank you, Tom. Oh, thank you for that applause.

[Bert Kreischer]

Doesn't that feel good?

[Jim Norton]

It feels good. Even though I know that no matter who you introduced. Thank you. That would happen. Joseph Gerbils, they would still do it. But the fact that you said. And they clapped. You're right. It taps into my need.

[Bert Kreischer]

Speaking of gerbils, man, it's a Hitler summer. Here we are.

[Jim Norton]

By that you mean. Great.

[Bert Kreischer]

I've been watching nothing but World War II docs because sometimes you, you're like, I've seen it. And then a new one comes out, which I also am. I'm just fascinated. Like, how many more docs can we do about Hitler? Like you, you think it's covered? And they're like, no, no, no. There's a new eight part series, but they're all fascinating.

[Jim Norton]

I know. It's like, how many delicious flavors of ice cream can I have? There's a new one. The color footage of him is very crazy. Like when you see footage of behind the scenes Hitler, like when he was chatting with people and he was like doing his little friend, like the friendly, like. Yeah. And smiling and laughing with locals, like, oh, God, it's the same guy.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah. And he's. It goes up to like the. When the youth kids are joining and he shakes, he switch hand and he taps their face like this. And he's like, you're a good boy. And then he walks to the next one and you're like, oh, he's like this affable guy that everyone. You're like, how come we don't see more of this? I'm tired of seeing the negative spin. Yeah. The angry grimace.

[Jim Norton]

I did see. I read an article about a guy. He was a Jewish guy who lived. He was one of Hitler's neighbors. And it was. I think he wrote a book. And it was when Hitler first came to power.

[Tom Segura]

And.

[Jim Norton]

And this guy was a very small kid. He was one of the few people alive who'd had like a personal interaction with Hitler. But it was mostly just from seeing him as a neighbor. And then as the Third Reich got worse and worse, his family, his father sent him away. And then his father luckily lived and met up with him. But as, as a kid, he said he would see Hitler around and you could just start to feel the tone change. And the family got out of there.

[Bert Kreischer]

The shift kind of happened. Yeah. It's like when a comic starts selling tickets.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

Something's going on.

[Jim Norton]

Not the same guy.

[Bert Kreischer]

It's not the same guy. Oh, there it is. Hitler, my neighbor.

[Jim Norton]

I mean, wow. He really on the nose, right? Wow.

[Bert Kreischer]

Wow. You read this book?

[Jim Norton]

No, no, of course I read a. I read a brief summation of it.

[Bert Kreischer]

Okay.

[Jim Norton]

But I wanted to come off like I read it, but I literally just read like an article on the book.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah, that's. That's pretty fascinating. And especially to be like someone who was like, oh, you mean my neighbor. Yeah, the guy that. Yeah, I used to see him go for a stroll, get a coffee.

[Jim Norton]

They'd wake me up with the lawnmower.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah, that's insane. But those docs are so good, man. They are so good. And you also realize, especially because we have wars going on right now, that there's. There will never be the type of like, even if we. There were World War III tomorrow, it wouldn't look like those wars, like with the way technology. This was like, you know, the, the people were just like, I. I love my country and I'm just going to battle. And it was just, you know, it was like, get the gun. Hang out in this burned out building. I just feel like now, you know, we have drones and you know, fighter jets. It's just, it's completely different thing.

[Jim Norton]

It's impersonal, like. And like people would lie about their age just to go and fight. They love the country. And you. What they said that you people miss when they see especially like World War I documentaries is they said the smell of. On the battlefield, it smelled so much like human because people had to outdoors or in trenches and they like that's the thing that doesn't translate when you watch it. But it really stunk and I think now whenever I say it really. Yeah, yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

I saw this in this doc. This guy was. I think he was a Brit. He was either British or American. And he was in the. I. I didn't even. Some. Some of these things remind you that like World War II extended into North Africa, which something I think is lost on us a lot. So there's this battle there. He gets captured, he's a pow and he's like. We go on this like thousand mile drive in the back of trucks standing. Because it's all just packed.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

And people just stood in and like for the. They weren't Going to stop for us. So we just stood there and.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. It's disgusting.

[Bert Kreischer]

Disgusting.

[Jim Norton]

You don't think of it when you watch it. You're like, wow, the trenches look. People kind of glorify it. It's like. No, people were pissing and in the corner.

[Bert Kreischer]

It's just.

[Jim Norton]

It's awful.

[Bert Kreischer]

Vile and awful. Not. Nothing worse.

[Jim Norton]

Was the movie 1916 or 1917?

[Bert Kreischer]

17.

[Jim Norton]

That they said that. I. I don't know if they cut it all, but they said it was all one shot. I'm sure they cut.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

But it looks. That was a great movie.

[Bert Kreischer]

Incredible movie. Incredible. Yeah. Because that. That first sequence follows that one actor.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

For like 25 minutes with that. Without seemingly a cut.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

Like, he just. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

There's a moment where he'll run behind something.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yes.

[Jim Norton]

That's like. Like a black screen for a half second. You're like, okay, they could have cut there or they. Maybe they can just do it now and make it look like they can't.

[Bert Kreischer]

I think they can. Yeah. There's that. What was the show that came out that every episode was, like, one shot? Adolescence.

[Jim Norton]

I didn't see that. Is that a Netflix show?

[Bert Kreischer]

Yes.

[Jim Norton]

Is that the one where the kid was.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yes.

[Jim Norton]

Like, whether he was a black kid, but they made him a white kid for the show. Is that.

[Bert Kreischer]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Jim Norton]

Maybe that's not the one I think about. One where there's a murder.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah, this is. This is. This is the one.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, yeah. I think people. There was. The only thing I know about is people are mad that they changed the race and made him a white kid. If it's the one, I'm thinking, oh, really? Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

So it's based on a black kid.

[Jim Norton]

Killing somebody, but they made him a white kid. And I don't know why or what the story really is.

[Bert Kreischer]

Oh, okay. Yeah. Each episode is one continuous take, which is really. It's insane. When you watch, you're like, how are they gonna do this? There are little things, though, where, like, you know, because. Because they don't obviously cut every time. Like, if we were talking and then you got up, you know, the camera tracks you.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

But like, when it go. When you walk past the doorway and you go like, you know. I mean, like that moment where it's covering the door.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

Is it a moment you can cut as well?

[Jim Norton]

Absolutely. But you probably cut down on inconsistency. Like. Like when you're editing a special and you go back and you realize, like, oh, that was from the late show. And I'm going from here to there. And it's like those. Those are the things that are really hard about piecing something together.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah. And then that's when you cut to the crash side of the person going.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, I know, I know. I hate. No, I use them once in a while for the same reason everybody else uses them.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

But Louis actually turned me off. Like, we had talked years ago, and he's like, I just like it black. I don't want to see the audience. And I was like. I was like, yeah, he's kind of right. Like, who the needs to see an Asian girl? I mean, they show an Asian girl laughing. That's like a Comedy Central thing.

[Bert Kreischer]

The other one that somebody put in my head, I don't remember who it was, but ever since they said it, you know, you can't stop thinking of it. Y is when a comic walks out and there's like two minutes of applause, and you're like, if you're. If you know the person, you're a huge fan. Sure, you go out, but, like, if you're just like, who is this? You're just gonna watch people clap. You're like, get to the start talking. Yeah, I'm cutting that down. Was something that somebody put in my head. Like, don't just sit there and have you walk out, wave. How's it going? Isn't this great to be here? What's up, Phoenix?

[Jim Norton]

What's up, Phoenix? Yuck. Yeah, cut that. Yeah, but you're right. But that's more like for YouTube, too. Like, this one was done by the homeless pimp who's like, you know, legendary.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yes.

[Jim Norton]

But he goes, no, just start with mid joke or a joke.

[Bert Kreischer]

Just.

[Jim Norton]

You're on stage, there's no walk up. No one cares. Get to it. Stupid. And he was right.

[Bert Kreischer]

No, I think that. I think that's a really cool move. That is. Like, just get to it. I just was watching somebody, like, a notable comic, and it was, I mean, borderline. Three minutes of walkout. Applause, Looking around. Thank you. It's great to be here. It's great to be in this city. More applause. And you're like, what are we doing here, man? Like, let's get to it.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. We don't need to see your victory lap before you've told one. Joe.

[Bert Kreischer]

Haven't done anything. Yeah, yeah. To the joke. Where did you shoot Inconceivable Village Underground.

[Jim Norton]

I'm glad you said the name, because this is true. I originally called it Domesticated Animals, and then someone told me oh, oh, Brett Ernst has one called. And I didn't know that. Yeah, I'm so dumb I didn't Google it. So I immediately changed it. And unconceivable, I figure, is pretty accurate. And it's a weird word, but I just keep forgetting what it's called. So I'm glad you. I'm glad you said that, but I hate watching myself so much.

[Bert Kreischer]

Oh, it's the worst.

[Jim Norton]

Isn't it terrible?

[Bert Kreischer]

It's the worst. And you can always tell who's a piece of shit if they, like, watching themselves. Like, you can tell, dude. Like. Like, I remember being in a green room one time where it was. We were having this type of con, and some comic was like, don't you. He just volunteered. Don't you just love watching clips of yourself? And I was like, what? And he was like, yeah, I just go home and I watch myself and I go, you're. You're a psychopath.

[Jim Norton]

That's a sociopathic thing to do. And. And to not read that other people hate you for it.

[Bert Kreischer]

Hey, yeah. And he was just lost, you know, can you watch?

[Jim Norton]

I. I can't. I'll do it during an edit. Like, again, it's part. It's still part of the thing, but, like, I know guys who can watch themselves in front of other people and, like, look for the let.

[Bert Kreischer]

And I'm like, oh, horrible.

[Jim Norton]

My fringe.

[Bert Kreischer]

My last special. I got the call after months. They go, hey, we're gonna have to move your air date if you don't actually watch a cut. Because I kept going like, yeah, yeah, I'll get to it.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

Putting it off, Putting it off. And they're like, you don't actually do that now we're gonna have to move the date. And I was like, all right. Because I hate.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

And then you just go, look at my. My voice is weird. My hands.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. Like, nice blinking. Nice delivery frog neck. Yeah. Believe it. It's. It's a real exercise in self hatred.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yes.

[Jim Norton]

But I can do it just until it's done. But then once it's done, I'll never look at it again.

[Bert Kreischer]

The worst, too, is I remember one time I got to. Actually, now I know what to do. But I did a private. For this, like, this, you know, corporate kind of thing.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

And I got there and I met one of the people. And my big mistake, I was like, oh, yeah, I'm excited to do whatever. Like, the. What I'm on tour with now. And the guy was like, oh, no, no, no. Like, we want he cited specific bits. I want to hear this and I want to hear this. And I was like, ah. And some of those at the time were like, I don't know, five, six, seven years old. Literally, you know the bit. But I remember how it goes.

[Jim Norton]

Sure.

[Bert Kreischer]

Like the beats.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

So I was like, okay, well, thanks for telling me. And so I downloaded the, like from albums, my bits. Because I was like, oh, yeah. To like, hear the rhythm and like, oh, yeah. The words and how it goes. So I'm sitting there in my hotel room, like, trying to, like, memorize because some of it feels vaguely familiar. But you're like, oh, yeah, I gotta pause here. I know I'm not gonna do it. Well, anyway, I forget that I do that. And now those stand up bits of mine are on my iPhone library. So if I have like a shuffle playing.

[Jim Norton]

Yep.

[Bert Kreischer]

Sometime my own stand up comes on and you def. I go, I'll just drive into this pole.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

I'm gonna unbuckle.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, yeah. I have a couple exactly on spot. Same. I'm such a. Again, such an idiot. I'm like, well, I might as well support my own work, you know? Eager dummy in his 50s trying to capture the Internet. But watching. Like, you forget how to get into something. Yeah, Like, I forget that, like, if I say this, but I. I forget the. The word that always bounce springboarded me into it. So if I have to just do a bit from the atmosphere that I did 10 years ago, I'm doomed. I can't remember how to get into it.

[Bert Kreischer]

I don't know how to get into it either.

[Jim Norton]

I've never done it since it's been taped. I stopped doing it and it's.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah. As soon as your I tape, I also let it go. I just go, that's done.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

It's funny how I've. One time a guy was like, do this bit. And I just was like, all right. And I started it and I was like, seven words in. I was like, I forget what's next. Yeah. And then like, he starts doing the bit. Like, he has it memorized better than I do.

[Jim Norton]

Because you just. There's only so much room in your head and it's like. And the. But people who like, will do something and they shoot it and it's been out there for a while and then you see them on the road two years later and they're doing the same thing. And it's like, how do you not. How you don't hang yourself? How do you not want to kill yourself doing the Same jokes.

[Bert Kreischer]

You know, it's funny because we have these conversations about this and it's like that guy, though, that's doing that to. He also is the one who's like, I feel stuck in my career. You're like, well, yeah, you're not evolving at all.

[Jim Norton]

Absolutely.

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[Jim Norton]

And that's the beauty of it. Like, I know, like I never feel stuck. Like I'm finished. And there's a big difference between being stuck and finished. Yes, I've accepted the. The peak in 2007 really did take a sharp nosedive. You have to accept where you're at now.

[Bert Kreischer]

Well, but you're standing like I told you this when you were here last. Like you are one of the things I admire so much. I talk about this thing on stage even right now is that like I learned that people, when you feel shame about anything, it grows in you and it stays. And it actually can become overwhelming when you don't share it with someone. And then you have this thing where feels like, oh well, you're so comfortable sharing what would be shameful and therefore opening up about it. Like was. Was that something that you knew to do or you just took a leap one day?

[Jim Norton]

I don't remember. It would make the other comics laugh like in the early, like 1990. 91 at the Open mics. And, like, the. The Sheratons in New Jersey, like, the other comics responded to it. So I was like, all right, this feels kind of good to make those guys laugh and. Yeah. Because they're hard to get respect from, you know, and it just felt good to get it out. Like, I always feel like, yeah, the reaction is strong when people connect with it.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yes.

[Jim Norton]

And it felt like now that I've said it, it's not a painful thing that I'm trying to hide anymore.

[Bert Kreischer]

Exactly. Right.

[Jim Norton]

And again, in 2003, when I did, there was a show in Montreal called the. It was like confessing it. So I started confessing things I had never talked about.

[Bert Kreischer]

Right. Was that scary?

[Jim Norton]

Yes. And no, I hadn't really. I joked about it a little bit, but, like, I did, and then I did a bit. One of them was about fucking a transsexual in a car. It was a true story. I mean, I. I gave her a young lady a ride and, you know.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And I think even at that point, I was still lying and pretending I didn't know. There was one other thing I knew I could tell from, you know, across the street, someone told me, I have the eye. I can literally spot it from Google Earth.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And there was one other thing, but it feels great to just spit it out because what are you gonna do? I don't care if people like it once you've said it and you put it in their face. I don't care how they react to it.

[Bert Kreischer]

But that's like. And I feel like that perspective is like, an earned thing. Like, some people go, I don't care. You're like, yeah, you do.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

You know, I mean, like, yours feels genuine, but you've also have. You also have this. This resume of being like, yeah, I. I let it out. I shared the thing.

[Jim Norton]

Well, I've also had enough time. Like, I care about it being funny. I definitely care about that. Like, I don't. I don't want to. Someone just standing up there blathering out childhood trauma.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Big deal. Anyone could do that.

[Bert Kreischer]

You have to. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Have the jokes make it funny. It's like, otherwise just a. Doing a TED Talk. Like, yeah, do that. But don't tell yourself you're a cop.

[Bert Kreischer]

The crazy. There's a few that are, like, doing that, and they're doing very well.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, she is.

[Bert Kreischer]

You just, like, you're just giving your speech.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

Very strange.

[Jim Norton]

And it's easy to do, but as years have gone on, especially from Radio. Like, I've gotten enough emails and contacts from people who go, like, I'm so glad you talked about that, because I had that. Or I was ashamed of that. So that's when you start to realize, like, yeah, I don't care. People don't like this because enough people, they'll never go out and tell the world, hey, I feel good that he said that because it made me feel better.

[Bert Kreischer]

Right.

[Jim Norton]

But they've.

[Bert Kreischer]

They've told you. Yeah, that does feel good.

[Jim Norton]

It feels great.

[Bert Kreischer]

Are there any. Because you've been so open about kinks. Are there kinks that you were once like, wow, this is something. And now you're like, it's so boring. Like, do you evolve past the kinks.

[Jim Norton]

Kind of a little bit? Yeah. Because what felt taboo, like being a cuckoo. I always like being a cuck. I thought it was so dirty and taboo.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

But now I'm married and it's like, no, I don't want to fucking somebody and then spit in my mouth. I don't want that. I wouldn't like that. You brush your teeth. You blew the Uber driver.

[Bert Kreischer]

Did you like the, the play. Role play, like, or like those scenarios where, like, the. What, the big stud comes in? Is that that kind of thing or just. Just any guy.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, it could just be a guy with a bigger dick than like, there was just. It was. But it was some kind of a humiliation thing and it would be the, like, the tethering somebody is like mentally tethering you along. Like, I was talking mental of it is.

[Bert Kreischer]

So it's important. It's everything and you learn. I feel like as you. As I've gotten older that, you know, when you're like 16, you're just like, this woman's beautiful. If she's hot, she's.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, that's.

[Bert Kreischer]

That's what you want. And then as you get older, you're like, oh, it's all in, like, the attitude and the way someone speaks and like, how they're, you know, they could be objectively six or whatever, but, like, something about them. You're like, no, she's a 10. Because of the way she carries herself.

[Jim Norton]

She communicates trigger words. It's anticipation and, like, whether they know. Like, there are some people in life. Like, one of my exes was a great dirty talker and we would talk dirty and she was talking about other guys and she just knew where I wanted her to go without me saying it. And. And like, when people do that, it's like, that's against, like, you're Just following. But they're like breadcrumbing. All this perversion in front of you without you setting it up.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yes.

[Jim Norton]

It's like setting up your own surprise party. It's just not the same.

[Bert Kreischer]

Right.

[Jim Norton]

So. But yeah, I've got like the cuck stuff. I'll still watch it online, but it's like, eh, I don't want to see that in real life. I've gotten more, like, less needing that stuff because I'm only having sex with one person. So you kind of, you're. You kind of. You come back a little bit. You know, the. The. The tide comes back in.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah. And it's still fulfilling enough. Still thrilling enough.

[Jim Norton]

I mean, you know, let's be honest. Married. No, it is. Because none of it is worth wrecking the marriage for.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And I say to myself, like, I was so attracted to my wife, if I'm. If I all of a sudden don't want to be sexual with her anymore, then something is really wrong with me because I'll meet other people I'm attracted to, but I'll never meet anyone who has more of an effect on me at one point than she did. So I'm like. Then I know. It's just my addictive thinking.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

You know what I mean?

[Bert Kreischer]

It's like you have a lot of awareness, though, about it.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. Because I've done everything wrong. You can do like, or most things wrong. So it's like I've destroyed relationships, I've gotten caught, I cheated.

[Bert Kreischer]

What's the like most. Have you ever had a thing where you're like, you're alone, like you're not, but you feel like the most degenerate, like you're just like this. This is like. I feel like I went crazy.

[Jim Norton]

You know, a lot of times when I would go out with a girl and I knew I could fuck her, but instead I would avoid the sex just to go home and jerk off thinking about what the sex would have been like.

[Bert Kreischer]

Wow. That's a fascinating one.

[Jim Norton]

That's a perversion. And it's also. Then you realize it's not about sex. I didn't care about the. It's dopamine and it's keeping the high going.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

It's almost like if you have a joint instead of just sitting there smoking the joint, you take one hit, stop for an hour, take one hit, stop. You're just making it last. Making it last. Making it last. That's what that was.

[Bert Kreischer]

Wow.

[Jim Norton]

Like once I had sex with someone, you know, you're back.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Here's the world, here's life.

[Bert Kreischer]

So let me extend, extend, extend.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, yeah. So I would do that a lot. Like, I would go out on. I've had a lot of experiences, even with prostitutes. I would, like, see somebody and hook up and then not come. Most so much of it was the ritual of riding around, looking. They had to approach the right side of my car. It was all this bizarre stuff that was just part of a get high.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah. So all that. Because all that is a dopamine release.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, it was. That's such a good feeling too, but.

[Bert Kreischer]

It'S such a fascinating thing that I don't feel like I don't even think a lot of people even grasp entirely what you're saying, you know, who, who, like, because what you're saying is that, you know, we get dopamine from our brains from, like, either achieving things or doing pleasure seeking things. But you're. There's this thing that happens automatically that, like, if you. You hit something, you get a threshold, the dopamine levels will go down. So you need to basically either if it's a dopamine drip from challenging behavior, you need to make the challenge higher, and if it's from, like, pleasure, you need to up the whole experience to make the thrill higher. So, like, you're getting dopamine from even the. The pursuit. Right, the pursuit and, like, looking for someone. All this is tied together. It all kind of gives you the dopamine.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. And Mike Tyson had a great term for it, which he said he got from a therapist. And I believe it was baseline normal. Like the things you have to do. Okay. Just to feel normal. Like without the dopamine, without that rush, I felt like below zero, Like I was in a pit. So, like, I had to do a lot of things. Twiddle the nipples, text somebody, you know, just pervert. And then all of a sudden, okay, I'm good. Feel normal, I'm regular. And then it starts going up. So it's like a Facebook whenever. Or Twitter whenever you see the little red thing. Bing, Bing. It's the same kind of a feeling of. Of that little. That little bing, that little message, that little. Oh, my view count is good. It's all.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

All the same thing. And I hate myself for at times still requiring that.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Weakling.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah, somebody said too, that like, they realize that when you see a selfie posted from someone, like, just, hey, it's a selfie, that. That is a clear need for that affirmation for people, you know? And like, once you get that Thought in your head, you're like, oh yeah. Then you see the self. You're like, this person needs approval right here. And then if you take your own selfie, you're like, what am I a fucking needy bitch right now?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, I really am. I'm as big of a weasel as that person criticized. And you notice it in opinions too. People who are like, and again, I mean don't post opinions. We're all, it's like a big conversation. Great. But people who are obsessive, it's almost like I'll play this game with myself where somebody who I really annoys me. I'll go to their Twitter just to see. I bet you they're talking about this.

[Bert Kreischer]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And it's, I don't hate. Watch a series. But I do that almost. It's like going to the fucking gym. Mentally, I'm like, am I right or am I being a prejudging asshole?

[Bert Kreischer]

Yep.

[Jim Norton]

And a lot of times I'm right. I'm like, yeah, you're right. They are obsessive, dummy. So I kind of catch. I, I don't want to be that. So I try not to do that.

[Bert Kreischer]

I know this. I, I try to do it less too. Like this. There's a few people who message me all the time who go, why haven't you spoken out yet about, you know, like Palestine, Israel? Like, huh. Why haven't I. That's, that's what you're looking for.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

You're like this. If once you tom. Speak out then, then we'll find the resolution. Like, I, I don't need to. I mean.

[Jim Norton]

No. And it's also, it's also what they're doing is so self serving.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

There's a really weird parasitic nature of people needing. Because they, they don't care about you or what you think. They want to go, our time's going to say something. Do I. If he says the right thing, it validates me. I agree. I feel strength. And if you say something wrong, well, fuck him. There's the dopamine rush of getting angry.

[Bert Kreischer]

Of getting angry.

[Jim Norton]

But it's all parasitic. It's all them somehow taking something from your opinion. It's total bullshit. They don't care about what you think.

[Bert Kreischer]

No. And they want to just what, whatever your opinion is. Then they get to go, oh, you're in this cat. Like they want to categorize you, you know, Like I, I always think of this. It's always pops in my head that one time I went to a gun range and it was like so fun. They like, they train people how to shoot, you know, for, for the movies there. So like they were filming and posting videos and I posted one of these videos and just like so funny to see people go, didn't know you were into this. Understand? And unfollowed. And you're like, what? Yeah, because of what? Oh, because there's a gun at a gun range, like where you're supposed to shoot them. Like it's. But they, they, that person felt like, oh, I know who you are now.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. And they're dumb. They're. They're really stupid.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And I don't ever care if they unfollow me or they're mad about it.

[Bert Kreischer]

No, it's actually good when you go, great, happy to lose you.

[Jim Norton]

I'm happy you're gone. Yeah. Because it's a level of stupidity and it's like this really weird thing. It's like a terrible weakness masquerading a strength where people are going, right? And it's like, this is my. They think that they're telling such truths. What they're also doing is making everyone who agrees with them already happy.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Like they act like I'm just pissing them off, but it's like you Forget the other 50% dummy is you're entertaining and getting the approval of people who are already agreeing.

[Bert Kreischer]

And that's what you want. You want to serve that master.

[Jim Norton]

Right.

[Bert Kreischer]

You want people to go like, you did the right thing. The amount of people who like, that's their currency is like I said something that I know someone else will applaud me for. You're like, you feel you're pretty lost.

[Jim Norton]

They want some zilch to go, good on you.

[Bert Kreischer]

Good on you.

[Jim Norton]

Good on you. Which I loathe.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Good for you. I'm good on you.

[Bert Kreischer]

That's. It's a real old timey way of doing it.

[Jim Norton]

I hate it and I hate, by the way, when the Brits say I went to hospital. Yeah, you went to the hospital. It drives me crazy. And I don't understand why they removed the word the. I went to prom. A lot of people say that.

[Bert Kreischer]

What about maths?

[Jim Norton]

Which one?

[Bert Kreischer]

Maths.

[Jim Norton]

Maths?

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

I've never heard that.

[Bert Kreischer]

Really?

[Jim Norton]

People say maths.

[Bert Kreischer]

Brits? Yeah. When I was taking maths.

[Jim Norton]

That's very irritating.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

I didn't know that. I'm actually going over to London and now it's going to bother me.

[Bert Kreischer]

Oh yeah. If you, you can find that for sure that. Yeah. They, the. Why do they do that. I don't know.

[Jim Norton]

I don't either. I mean by the. He was in hospital.

[Bert Kreischer]

In the uk Maths is the common term for the subject where we use math. The difference is a minor point of distinction. Ah, no, it's not reflecting a difference in how the plural noun mathematics is abbreviated in the dialect. Yeah, it's like. Yeah, I was studying, I was doing my maths. And you're like, no.

[Jim Norton]

And what they're forgetting is. And it's a major issue. You're right. Because th and s. Nobody likes a th followed by. It's a hard sound. It's unpleasant.

[Bert Kreischer]

It is.

[Jim Norton]

You see Orson Welles when he's doing that, that read for peas and he goes. It's, it's. It's not pleasant to say. It's not fun to say.

[Bert Kreischer]

You've seen his. When he's peeled out of his mind doing. The French champagne has always been known for its excellence.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, Paul Masson, was it? Paul? Yes.

[Bert Kreischer]

Paul Mason. Yeah. He's absolutely plastered. But this is a turn camera. He doesn't do anything. That's how he starts this action.

[Jim Norton]

Awesome.

[Bert Kreischer]

He doesn't do anything.

[Jim Norton]

No, sorry. 102, take 2. These poor people.

[Bert Kreischer]

I know. Ah, the French champagne celebrated for its excellence. There is a California champagne back and.

[Jim Norton]

By the way, the guy and the woman with him, they are doing a scene with Orson. Well, yeah. And they're looking at a. Probably like he's pulled out of his bombing French champagne.

[Bert Kreischer]

It's vintage, dated.

[Jim Norton]

And there's also terrified because he was a guy. Like there is. There's audio of him doing those things. One was for Mrs. Somebody's Pete. And he still sounds good.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Like he's still Orson Welles.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jim Norton]

But when you listen to him doing that and he's snapping at the engineer. It doesn't feel good. And crisp crumb coating. He was doing one for and he was very intimidating and he would really upset these people because he would snap quickly.

[Bert Kreischer]

They're so scared.

[Jim Norton]

They're terrified because he's the guy who they say makes the greatest film ever made. So it's awesome, you know? Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

So in other words, don't you think you really want to say July over the snow? Isn't that the fun of it? If you can make it almost. When that shot disappears. A snow covered field in February, July. We know a remote farm in Lincolnshire where Mrs. Buckley lives. Every July peas grow there. We aren't even in the fields.

[Jim Norton]

You see.

[Bert Kreischer]

We'Re talking about them growing. And she's picked him.

[Jim Norton]

What.

[Bert Kreischer]

I don't understand you. Then when must. What must be over for July when we get out at field. When I was out, we were onto a can of teeth, a big dish of teeth. When I said in July. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Always just snapping at the engineer.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Unhappy with the way the camera was being like.

[Bert Kreischer]

You've heard the Shatner one.

[Jim Norton]

I don't know. Oh.

[Bert Kreischer]

William Shatner is doing a read and it's. It's clearly like a sound engineer who. He does overstep for a moment where he's like, maybe. Maybe, like, intonate. Maybe go up at the end or something. And he's like, what's that? And he's like, you know, like. Like when you read it, like.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

He gives him, like, a little direction. Oh. And then William Shatner is like, okay. And he goes, no, no, I'm gonna do it just the way you said it. The guy's like, no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. He's like, no, no, no. And he does like, a read.

[Jim Norton]

Was it Oldman who wound up. Oh, no, no, it's Christian Bale, where he yells at the person who walked in his sight line.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yes.

[Jim Norton]

And technically he's right. It's like, how dumb. Because he keeps going. You have rank. Amateur. Amateur. But it's like, the guy was an idiot to not know that he's doing a scene. And he should have handled it better.

[Bert Kreischer]

He should have handled better. But it is kind of the thing where you're like. If you're trying to, like, you're in this, like, scene and you're really prepared and it's emotional, and then, like, people, like. Because when we were shooting this thing, if you hear, like, hammering or something, you're like, dude, I can't fucking do this. Yeah, right. That's why you, like, stop the work. You, like, let the thing happen.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

So, I mean, did he lose his shit? Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, I kind of. I kind of get it.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, I do, too. And people were like, how terrible is he? But he just made me love his work more.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Because I'm like, he really. He really cares about getting there proper.

[Bert Kreischer]

Or like when Cruise lost his shit on his crew during COVID Yeah. And you're like, well, yeah, I mean, he's like this whole fucking thinking it shut down if you fucks break the rules.

[Jim Norton]

You know, he did say one thing that then. Then, like, there's always that one thing they do. You're like, ah. Where he said something about, like, we're saving Hollywood, like, he made some comment like, you didn't have to say that. You could have just kept doing what you were. But yeah, he was technically right to be pissed off.

[Bert Kreischer]

He was, he was very pissed.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. And what are you going to say? It's Tom Cruise and he's also the guy who he hung off the, the side of the burj Khalif. He jumps off planes like he does his own.

[Bert Kreischer]

You can say about him, he's, he's unbelievable.

[Jim Norton]

Ben, have you met him?

[Bert Kreischer]

I've never met him.

[Jim Norton]

Not me neither.

[Bert Kreischer]

I've never met him. I. Everybody who I, I know several people who have and they all say that it is like, when you talk to him, you're the only person in the world and he's like, all on you and very engaged. A lot of times if he, like, if he knows he's gonna meet you, he's fully briefed on you.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

So he knows like all these, he'll reference things and you're like, oh, like, he'll, he'll know your whole background.

[Jim Norton]

The guys who are the most captivating and charismatic, they said Bill Clinton would do that. They understand that the thing that makes a person like you is when they think you like them or when they feel like you're entertained by them or they're entertained by you. So, like, I realize that I look back people in my life who I really like, I'm like, I make that guy laugh a lot. So I really like him.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Like, he makes me feel good about myself. He doesn't just entertain me, he makes me feel like I'm entertaining him.

[Bert Kreischer]

Isn't that a fucked up thing to learn? Yeah, you're like, oh, shit. I'm just like an insecure. Oh, you laugh. All right, cool. What's up, man? You want to go out?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. Yeah, you can go. Hey, you can come to my house and my sister.

[Bert Kreischer]

As long as you.

[Jim Norton]

Get a giggle out of it.

[Bert Kreischer]

Is this it? Yeah, this is it. Okay.

[Jim Norton]

This is William Shatner and I would like to invite you to take a journey with me into the 21st century. So take the next few minutes and listen very closely. You'll be amazed at what you hear. Okay.

[Tom Segura]

Can there be a little more excitement in the beginning? I love it.

[Jim Norton]

Okay. All right.

[Tom Segura]

It sounded like really late, you know, really super laid back.

[Jim Norton]

Well, I'm, I'm, I'm saying. Okay, I'll try and do that. Let's do take two.

[Bert Kreischer]

That laugh too.

[Jim Norton]

This is William Shatner and I would like to invite you to Take a journey with me into the 21st century. So take the next few minutes and listen very closely. Well, speak up and, and maybe you better do it. Do it the way you hear it tell. Do it for me. No, I mean, just go ahead.

[Tom Segura]

This is William Shatner and I would like to invite you to take a journey with me into the 21st century. So take the next few minutes and listen very closely. You'll be amazed at what you hear.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah, so he's like that. He, he actually is doing a direct mimic read of that guy, and it's so bad. And it's, it's clearly like that guy. He overstepped.

[Jim Norton]

He did a little bit. Yeah. Certain guys, you can't. It's. A director can give certain notes, but certain acting notes. Like, for me, I would take the note because I stink. But there are guys who are really, who are so good at what they do. They're like, you're telling me how to do a line. Yeah, crazy.

[Bert Kreischer]

Like crazy.

[Jim Norton]

And they're right. Usually the, the guys are. But, but again, a lot of actors will give you a couple of different takes and say, which one do you like? Yeah, and those are the ones that people tend to like working with. But yeah, that, to give Shatner an acting note and a voiceover.

[Bert Kreischer]

This is William Shatner, and if you.

[Jim Norton]

Like, bro, he's saying the whole thing is a you to the engineer.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And it's humiliating.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah, it's humiliating. And that guy's just like, I'm so sorry I spoke. Please do what you. And he's like, no, no, no, no, you said it, so I'll do it. Like. And then that guy's like, am I gonna lose my job?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, yeah. And William Shatner hates you. Yeah, I like him. I've interviewed him a few times. And I was on a plane and I saw him and, and we were going. It was a layover from Tampa to Philadelphia. And I said hello to him as the. When the plane landed and he goes. And he recognized me because I. And he was very friendly. And the pilot even came out to meet him because he found out Shatner. And it was so funny watching him blow off the pilot.

[Bert Kreischer]

Really.

[Jim Norton]

Like, the pilot was like, hey, one time we met in Shatner. He goes, yes, it was very nice, and just walks off. I was like, oh, you poor bastard. It was this big moment.

[Bert Kreischer]

It was a big moment. Reconnect with Bill, who's like, do you have. Because you interviewed a lot of people. Do you have like your all time favorite, like, thing where you're like, this was like my, you know, somebody you can't believe. You got the opportunity to interview Ozzy.

[Jim Norton]

Obviously, because I was such a fan. Trump last. A year and a half ago in for UFC was a big one. You know, it wasn't like a life's goal, but it was, in hindsight it was a huge moment.

[Bert Kreischer]

What was your take on. On him?

[Jim Norton]

We didn't talk politics. It was for ufc. So it was only fighting because Dana loves him and he was like, he was very important to the early ufc, giving them a home. My take from it was that he has a great memory. Like, we talked boxing and we talked mma for about 40 minutes and he remembered everything. People thought we had cue cards set up for him and it was an absolutely non political conversation about the old days and the fights and what he felt about this and how this happened. And the memory was really good. So my take was like, he love him or hate him, his brain is. Is working memory.

[Bert Kreischer]

I feel like when I was a kid, you know, you would always see these big like Tyson fights at like Trump. Taj Mahal or like. Right. Like Trump. Wasn't Trump always in. Yeah, in some way involved with some of these big boxing events, like in the 80s and stuff?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, he was, I think like a Foreman. I think Foreman. Michael Moore, if I remember. I don't even remember. Like I did all this research and now I forget it. And he remembers it from 30 years ago, but yeah, he was involved with a lot of those huge fights and a lot of them were. Was it Taj Mahal was one? I think were a lot of them. I think that's Atlantic City.

[Bert Kreischer]

I think so. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

You know who was a fascinating guy to talk to? He just died. Was. I forget his name. It was. Oh, my God. Cliff. He. He was Clint. Clint something. He was the. The Secret Service agent in the county assassination. Who was Jackie's Secret Service. What's his name? Clint Hill. Yeah. And he was the one who was behind the limo when Kennedy got shot. He's the guy who runs behind the limo and hops up on the back of Kennedy's car as it speeds off to Parkland.

[Bert Kreischer]

Wow.

[Jim Norton]

And he was describing looking in and seeing the inside of the President's head and he knew that he was dead. It's like that. That was a fascinating guy to talk to.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah. Did he have takes? You know, because there's so many theories on the assassination.

[Jim Norton]

He said he shot him. He said I finished him off.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

That good head of hair. No, he was. He said he Heard the bullets behind him. He said he heard it. He said, I was there and I heard the bullet coming from. You know, I didn't get too crazy detail with him because it's almost like asking Buzz Aldrin, another fun guy who I've interviewed, who's also very cranky, snapped at me.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Fucking Buzz is, you know, he's. He's. He does not suffer fools.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And I asked him a question. He goes, let's not dilly dally. I've got to get to cnn. He was really shitty.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

But he walked on the moon, so I took it. I took it like a trooper.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

But these guys, sometimes the. I don't want to go too far. It's like asking Buzz about the moon landing. Like, it's real. Like, I didn't want to ask him stupid conspiracy questions.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

For him, it's like, yeah, of course it happened. I was. It was behind me and I heard it.

[Bert Kreischer]

Well, like, it's like every year now, there's like, more like the further you get away from it, people have new theories. And I know they're like, oh, there's four shooters and all this. And I remember I was talking to this emergency room doctor, and he's like, anybody who thinks that because of the trajectory of. That the bullets had to be multiple people has not been in an emergency room. He goes, when you see what bullets do, one bullet does to some people, where it enters here and it fucking moves around. Right. Like, he's like, it's. It totally opens your mind as to, like, what one shot can do to someone.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

They literally turn all over the body.

[Jim Norton]

And I love. I mean, I look, I still love jfk. It's a great movie. And I do like that Oliver Stone. I think all the parts he was speculating about were in black and white. I think he. I think that was the device he used to show you. This is something that, like, I think. And not other than Mr. X. The Sutherland part, which was, I think, two people put together. Great. But it's still a great film. I don't care if it's right or wrong. I still enjoy watching it.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah. I mean, I actually feel like even when I don't. I don't know, I'm not convinced by someone's right. I mean, conspiracy theories can sometimes just be very entertaining.

[Jim Norton]

Yes. And when people. I don't mind people. Like, I used to be a very big believer that it was a conspiracy. And I think it was Vincent Bugliosi I interviewed where he had a book come Out. He called in. So I read his book, and he was very, very much Warren Commissioned. He believed that it was Oswald and that was it. And I was like, oh, yeah, I think he's right. Like, so I don't get married to the idea of one way or the other.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

That's the problem, is people get married to it. Who gives a fuck? Whatever the truth is, I'd like to know it.

[Bert Kreischer]

When you get too married to it, that's when you realize this is like a. You're in a bad place. When you go, I. I'm more interested in being right than I am in learning what the truth is. Then you've kind of lost your way.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. It's like, it's in an argument with your spouse. It's acceptable.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yes.

[Jim Norton]

I mean, that's exactly why I'm a shit partner.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Because I have to be. Right.

[Bert Kreischer]

Right.

[Jim Norton]

But, yeah, when you start getting into that in life, that's when, like, people, like, it's just. Shut up. Yeah, we heard you. You've been heard.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Sometimes I want to just tell people that you've been heard.

[Bert Kreischer]

Everyone's heard you.

[Jim Norton]

Yes.

[Bert Kreischer]

Let's move on. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

It didn't have the effect you wanted. It didn't move us like you thought. We don't look to you as a. As a thought leader. You're not a voice of the generation. But you've been heard.

[Bert Kreischer]

I do think it was hilarious that, with the. The. What's that guy? He's like the deputy chief of the FBI now, and he's like a Cash Patel. No, Cash is the actual director, but the deputy. That guy Dan Bongino or Bongino Bongiono or something. Yeah, yeah. That guy who was like a huge right wing conspiracy guy and was like, you know, fueling all these types of things is in this interview, like, two weeks ago, he's like, epstein killed himself. Yeah, sorry. It's like. And you're like, these are like, this is the same guy who would be like, it's impossible. The cameras were like, you know, and now he's like, listen, I looked it over. He killed himself.

[Jim Norton]

Which means either A, people would say he's been compromised, or B, they. You could go like, oh, he actually did see all of the legit information that he knows is legit.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

I always thought it was. I always thought he hung himself. But the two cameras being out is very suspect. You can't ignore that.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah, for sure.

[Jim Norton]

But I always felt that he was worth $600 million. And now he's in A roach infested place, and he's going to go to jail for life as a. So there's a good reason to hang.

[Bert Kreischer]

There's a good reason to hang yourself. There's also. You look at behaviors, right? Like a few days before he died, he went through the actual process of transferring all of his immense finances to his brother. And it's like, well, what mind space are you in when you go, hey, why don't you put everything in. In his. In his name? Well, because you think maybe I want to die.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. Or he's also probably worried about lawsuits after, too. Like, he knew that the civil suits were coming.

[Bert Kreischer]

Sure.

[Jim Norton]

But, I mean, that was a guy. There's certain things that, like, if they were gonna kill you before you gave out information, they wouldn't have left him alive that long.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

They probably would have killed him outside of a jail. They would have just picked him off somewhere. If they can pull it off in a jail, they can kill you somewhere else.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Get to you. There was another guy in France who committed suicide, but I think you'd been in jail for a year. I'm like, they don't leave you in.

[Bert Kreischer]

Jail for a year if they want you.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. Or Oswald. He was interrogated before he got shot.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

It wasn't like they. They picked him up and he died on the way to the police station. Then you go, maybe.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

But he was interrogated and he was in custody for a short period of time.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah, it's. It is pretty late. Let's say he transferred his. Yeah. 577 million two days before his death to his brother trust, named the 1953 Trust.

[Jim Norton]

So, yeah, he might have known what was about to happen, but he had great reason to kill himself. I mean, he knew he was finished. Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

He was in France, too, I think. And see, there was so much speculation at the beginning. Did Ghislaine help the state? Because then there was the speculation that she was the one who got him to come back. Like, no, everything's okay. And then he gets arrested. He might have thought, oh, if they have her, I'm dead.

[Bert Kreischer]

I'm dead.

[Jim Norton]

So that's. But again, then they wound up going after her. So.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah. And also, it's like how, like, every week it feels like they go, you're gonna see this list now.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

It's just.

[Bert Kreischer]

I don't understand.

[Jim Norton]

I don't either. The only people they should. There's been people that they. I heard they protected who had legitimate business dealings with them, who had nothing to do with any of the sexual stuff that they kept private because the name association would have ruined their lives. But they legitimately weren't involved with that stuff.

[Bert Kreischer]

Sure.

[Jim Norton]

But then there's other people. You're like, maybe they're right.

[Bert Kreischer]

Because he had to have obviously some legit business things going on. Right. Like yeah, there was, there was one guy that. The way that EPC made a huge amount of his money was he managed the money of a multi billionaire. And then when that guy became aware of his first scandal is when he was like, he's like, I don't want my money with this guy. You know, he took it away from him.

[Jim Norton]

Not Lex. Not Lex Wessler. Right. Who was the guy who, you know, Lex Wessler was the guy from. He owned a bunch of. I would say he owned a bunch of stores. But I realized I couldn't have sounded stupider. But you know, he was, he was.

[Bert Kreischer]

He'S like a guy who wants massive shareholder. Right?

[Jim Norton]

Like something.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah, it could have been. I don't remember exactly who it was, but this really well known business guy was like, you know, he, he was like managing my money. And then that first case, like this is before everything.

[Jim Norton]

Sure.

[Bert Kreischer]

The earlier one and Florida.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

Oh, I don't want anything to do with this guy. And so that guy was like, I don't want to be associated with this guy. Yeah, which, which is legit, right?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, of course. But yeah, that's why they kept some of those names off. But I would like to, we'd all like to see it. It's just curious.

[Bert Kreischer]

Of course. Yeah, we all want to see the super famous people.

[Jim Norton]

Is there anyone left? Because they said there was all this video and then we've seen nothing. Then you realize how much these people just talk. How much people in public life, government officials, how many of them are easily influenced by what somebody else says and then they turned out not to know what the fuck they were talking.

[Bert Kreischer]

They don't know what they're talking about. No, I think we all, our illusion is that we always think that the well known are going to have like some special level of knowledge and, and, and, and know things and, and are going to say. But they're all just regular people.

[Jim Norton]

They're regular people and they're as prone to being reactionary and stupid as we are. I never care about the opinions or politically of people who are. Whether they're arguing Israel. I just don't care.

[Bert Kreischer]

I don't care.

[Jim Norton]

I don't give a. What they think. It doesn't sway me at All.

[Bert Kreischer]

No, no, it's boring. And also it's like, okay, high profile names. I think we knew almost all these. Right.

[Jim Norton]

Spacing on me. Campbell. Oh, Prince Andrew, Randy, Andy. What a naughty boy. Never seen again. You see a guy like, here's his problem, Prince Andrew. He's a guy who is so rich and so coddled that people would always go, yes, your majesty. Yes. And he had no idea what a bad liar he was.

[Bert Kreischer]

Right.

[Jim Norton]

He never had to truly lie his way out of something because he would go, I didn't knock the lamp over. And people go, of course you didn't. You imagine.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yes.

[Jim Norton]

He never had to really connive and lie his way out of a ticket. So he thought he was a better bullshitter than he was.

[Bert Kreischer]

That's such a good point. Yeah, that's such a good observation.

[Jim Norton]

I was watching him, the awful explanations he was giving. And by Emily Mattis, I think it was, did an amazing interview with him. She was such a sniper, like luring him in. He thought he did well. Yeah, he thought he killed it on that interview.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah, that's the one. That's the big one. He did.

[Jim Norton]

That was the big one the night, like something was called Nightline or something. And. But you realize this guy, for him to believe that he did well is such a lack of self awareness.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Totally delusional guy coming off stage and going, they're hot.

[Bert Kreischer]

It's like. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. And you're like, I had a guy one time did that. He walked off and we were like. And he was like, killed him. And you're like, what?

[Jim Norton]

You killed the mood?

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah. You just ate, bro.

[Jim Norton]

I've had like four bomb sets in a row. Maybe five even at the comedy. So I'm just work. You ever have some just go like. I don't know what it is, but there's something. I'm just. I'm not believing it. There's something I've been doing last week or so where I have just been eating halfway through and on and I gotta. Maybe I gotta change up the order just to make it fresh again.

[Bert Kreischer]

The order can make a big difference. I mean, I told this story a few times about how one of the hardest I ever bombed. And it was a. It felt like it was a six hour set. I was supposed to do 25 minutes in the. You know, that was the middle. And it was the summer of Katrina and.

[Jim Norton]

Five, right?

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah, 2005. And there was reports that week that some people were actually, you know, forcing themselves sexually upon people.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

In the aftermath.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, in. In the. In the. The dome.

[Bert Kreischer]

In.

[Jim Norton]

In the.

[Bert Kreischer]

In the dome. And also they're like, in the city, this was happening. But there's also reports of, like, obviously, like, corpses floating by. So I thought a clever opener would be my observation that, like, you know, nothing gets my dick harder than a bloated carcass floating by. Makes me want to fuck somebody too. And this is like a sold out show. Everybody was like, huh? And then I didn't realize that I didn't have the skill set to recover from that. Like, yeah. I was like, I'm gonna pivot now, right? And they were like, no, you're not. So it was. I mean, I had hair and it was flop sweat. Like, it was stuck to the side of my face. Pouring sweat, pouring sweat. I had so bad that, like, you know, there's a hierarchy in standup.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

The MC was like, how about that, douchebag? And I was like, yo, like, you're the mc, dude. He was like, you suck, dude.

[Jim Norton]

By the way, I concur with your opinion that it was a great opener. That's hilarious, dude.

[Bert Kreischer]

I thought I was. I was like, that's, you know, the. The kind of, you know, you're trying to convey, like, what you think is funny. I think this is funny. The crazy thing was, I get off stage, first of all, the club owner comes up to me, and she is a. She's the manager. She goes, I thought you were supposed to be funny. And I was like, oh. And then she goes, can you also not add? And I go, what? And she goes, what does that say? Because there was a count up.

[Jim Norton]

Yes.

[Bert Kreischer]

And I got. I bailed at like 22 or 20. I was supposed to 25. And she goes, Do 25, dumbass. And I was like, right, sorry. Ah. Second show, sold out. Every show is packed. Packed show.

[Jim Norton]

Do you remember who the headliner was?

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah, it was Bert.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, okay.

[Bert Kreischer]

It's one of our first. Like, one of our. It was the first road gig together.

[Jim Norton]

Okay.

[Bert Kreischer]

It was. It's a packed show. I mean, paper don't think so. It was. But it was, like, hacked. Second show. Oh, you could hear it bustling. And I do that thing where you go, like, don't be a right, like, go for it again. So I do the exact same opener, dude. I think I eat shit harder. It's like. It is worse. And it was the first time because somebody had asked me. They go, have you ever had moments where you're like, you know, maybe I shouldn't be doing this. And I remember. I go, I remember that was one of the first times I was in my hotel that night, and I was like, maybe I'm doing. Like, maybe I'm not cut out for this. Maybe I'm not good at this. Maybe I shouldn't do this, you know?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. Sometimes it hits you so hard, it rattles you beyond like, wow, that sucked. Oh, man, what a night. I got to work that out. It's like, wow, I'm a fraud. I'm wearing a costume.

[Bert Kreischer]

A costume.

[Jim Norton]

I remember.

[Bert Kreischer]

I was like, I. I talked to Christina that night. She was like, how was the show? I was like, yeah, there's a little. They're a little tight. You know, I was trying to, like, I wasn't confessing the full story. I was like, yeah, they're just. That was kind of a weak, soft crowd.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

And then it was. That was Friday night. And then Saturday night, we have two more, and I still remember Bert coming up to me. He goes, can I just give you one. One thought? And I go, yeah, sure. What? He goes, just open differently. Do anything else you want to do but just open on a different joke. And I was like, all right. And I went up there, and I opened differently, and it was like, such redemption. I had, like, a gangbuster set.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

Like one of those. Like, holy. You killed. You know, we're like, yeah. MC was like, God damn. He was like, you really turned things around. I was like, yeah, I just didn't do my. Yeah, a corpse.

[Jim Norton]

Sure.

[Bert Kreischer]

And.

[Jim Norton]

And it's a tough one. If you don't know how to pivot, that's a great way. You said that if you pivot from a bomb. But when you don't know how to pivot. Don't know how, that's a giant hole.

[Bert Kreischer]

Because I was too. I was too inexperienced.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

You know, it's like, now I feel like I could probably say even worse things.

[Jim Norton]

Sure.

[Bert Kreischer]

And be like, well, I have the skill set to recover. I know how to zig and zag and kind of recover. But that's one of those things you can't manufacture.

[Jim Norton]

No, the.

[Bert Kreischer]

The skill set.

[Jim Norton]

No, you have to. And a lot of times, if I. And I've certainly had those moments, I just go down the toilet. I'll tell the audience, like, you know, that they're right. And I. I see it, too. I know what that just happened. We all know it. Sometimes bringing them in, and they're like, all right, at least he's being honest with us. And we know that he knows what he's doing up there.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

But when you plow ahead, like, you know that went as planned.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

That whole never let him see you sweat. Like, that doesn't work.

[Bert Kreischer]

No situation because it's dishonest. And they know also. They go, this guy doesn't. He's not real. He's not in the room with us.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, exactly. He's sweating and we see it and he's pretending that we don't.

[Bert Kreischer]

I mean, I've had. Even on this, like, on this tour now, though, sometimes you're like, you know, I'm gonna. Just gonna open with, like, a local observation.

[Jim Norton]

Sure.

[Bert Kreischer]

You just. You say it and you're, like, pausing for the laugh and everyone's just like, is that the observation? And you're like, yeah. So, yeah. I just got back from a trip. I'm gonna switch to the act.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. Yeah. I figured I'd go off book for a second. The director went, no, could you say it the way it's written?

[Bert Kreischer]

Could you please just stick to the script?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, yeah, sure.

[Bert Kreischer]

I know.

[Jim Norton]

I was just trying to.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah. Improv a little. Pretty good at it.

[Jim Norton]

It's easier now than it used to be. Because if it's. At least. If it's your crowd, they are there. They know you're funny and you can acknowledge it and move forward. Yeah. But sometimes, still, if I. Again, in the regular. In the cellar or somewhere where they're not there to see me, you know, they don't. Half of them are fucking NYU students. They have no idea who I am. And it gets ugly.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah. I mean, I love the practice of doing, like, when I go to la, because I go to LA more. That's what I love about the OR is that, like, on the or, if you walk in, there might be. On any given night, maybe 20 of them are super stoked that I'm there.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

And maybe 140 are super stoked that other comics are there and don't care. So then you're like, oh, like, it's. It is. You still have to, like, yeah, the joke's got to be there.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. It's got. It's a great test because they're not going to give me the. We like you, so we're with you.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

No, this is just what it is.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yes. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. Seinfeld would say that. Like, because he would go on at the cell. He goes the first five minutes. Like, when you're on his level, they would. He goes, they'll give you the first five minutes because they're Happy you're there. But then you have to. It has to be good or you're going to tank. Yeah, I saw Robin Williams tank in that room. It was never an aggressive tank where they were like, fuck you. It was never like that. But it was almost like they would at one point stop laughing and wait for a joke that they liked.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

That's the difference between being that guy and somebody else is like, that you can still bomb, but they're not as mad at you.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah, it's a. The bombing looks differently.

[Jim Norton]

Yes.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah, I mean, I feel like. Actually, one of the worst feeling is if you go to a club and you get like a crazy ovation in walking out, and then it's flat, the rest your whole set, and you're like, what was that?

[Jim Norton]

Why did you do that?

[Bert Kreischer]

Or.

[Jim Norton]

And I always go with no intro whatsoever. I never want an intro. I despise credits.

[Bert Kreischer]

You don't want one of the best comedians working today.

[Jim Norton]

I mean, just to say he was. He's been seen on it humiliates me.

[Bert Kreischer]

Humiliating.

[Jim Norton]

Or the worst is they would go, we got a special guest. And it's like, what are you doing?

[Bert Kreischer]

Who?

[Jim Norton]

There's no special guest. Yeah, I was scheduled to be here.

[Bert Kreischer]

The. What did I have? One time I was with. I was in New York and Chappelle and Rock were doing one of those joint shows.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

But I got a 500 seater. And they go, we have a. Not them, but whoever was like, up there was like, we have a special guest. And I was like, you realize they're like, oh, is it Eddie Murphy or something? You know, and then when they said me, you could tell people were like. They were not excited.

[Jim Norton]

No, the worst is when the special guest, they go. And then it's a tepid applause.

[Bert Kreischer]

Oh, this guy.

[Jim Norton]

Somebody must know who he is.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah, you just bring Dave and Rock out.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. Yeah. You don't ever want to be as a special guest. You don't want to be smaller than the people they're expecting.

[Bert Kreischer]

Way small.

[Jim Norton]

That's a humiliation.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah. It was such a human. They were like, oh, is Cosby here? Yeah, yeah, it was really. It was a bummer, dude.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, they do it at the seller once in a while. But I. I tell every host, like, no, no intro.

[Bert Kreischer]

No.

[Jim Norton]

Because I don't use my own name there. So I used to get death threats from there. It happened years ago from the radio show. I started using fake names and I didn't want them people hassling the club.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Like, you know, I mean, like, calling the Club cma just being dicks. And it just kind of stuck. So I use always fake names when.

[Bert Kreischer]

I'm on that list. Like, I'm on the. On who's going to be there on the outside.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And except for the Wednesday night show I do. Then it's my own name. But again, it was just at one point to stop the club for being hassled. And I had a real fucking weird. Do you kind of.

[Bert Kreischer]

Do you ever miss kind of the chaos of the morning.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, my God. Being Anthony show? Of course it was. It's the funniest thing ever. I loved because it was no pressure. I would just show up.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And be funny, like, and Anthony would be funny and just hang out with comedians. It was fucking great, dude. It was. Yeah. I miss it a lot. I mean, it was a time capsule. And I was. I'm happy that I didn't sabotage it.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Like, when things in life end. Right. I go, it sucks that it ended, but I know that I showed up for it. I was really present when I loved it.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And I didn't blow it.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

So that's how I live with it. Like, knowing I didn't think of a relationship ends because someone gets killed in an accident. That sucks. But it's a lot easier than you drunk driving and killing them.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yes.

[Jim Norton]

Because then you're like, why did I do that?

[Bert Kreischer]

Do you. Are you having fun with the podcast, though? Jim Norton can't save you.

[Jim Norton]

Thank you. Yes. Love it. And I really do love it. Like, it's mine and I can talk to whoever I want. Yeah. It's. It's been very fun. We use callers because I still like that live interaction.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. I. I kind of like having that. And I had Anthony on again recently, and I've had some great guests. It's fun, everyone. I hate saying it's fun, but, I mean, it is. I just enjoy doing it.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah. I mean, fuck, man. It's been. I mean, I never had a radio job, but like 15 years I've been doing podcasts.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

And it's. It is fun because you just get to go, like, who do you want to have on? And then have a conversation. It's like, it is still, like, the best thing.

[Jim Norton]

The only thing that misses. Again, the. The live interaction. I liked because you know that a lot of people are hearing you. So any mistake is everyone's hearing it. Or there is that one thing about being live.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Where I know that they're hearing it now. I know. I just explained what Live means to a comedian. Idiot.

[Bert Kreischer]

No, I know exactly, but. I know exactly.

[Jim Norton]

But the nerve of me to explain that to you. You do arenas, and I'm talking. The microphone will convey. Shut up, Jim.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah, no, there's like. But there's that. You're right, though, because with the podcast, you can. You always have that thing where you're like, hey, cut that out. Yeah, Don't. You know, don't use that. Don't show that. Whatever. Right. You're. You're more naked on the morning radio.

[Jim Norton]

You have a dump button and. But that was only for, like, things that would get you sued for slander or a last name. Somebody would call up in my girlfriend, they give her a name, and it's like, drop that out. Because we don't know if he's lying or not. We're going to get fucking sued for putting it out there. But that's the only difference is that you would dump something out of necessity or it was a word that was going to get you fired, so you dropped an N bomb or whatever at one point. At one point, no one cared about. But, yeah, I miss doing that. I love that show so much.

[Bert Kreischer]

It's interesting to me, too, that, like, I really commend you guys that you were part of the circle of. Of Patrice's circle, you know, friends that, like, when he died. And I saw in the. You know, the years after the first year, second year, they're like, oh, we're doing this fundraiser, this thing for Patrice, for his family or whatever.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

I was like, you can kind of tell someone's impact by how long they keep doing that.

[Jim Norton]

Yes.

[Bert Kreischer]

You know what I mean? There's people. You're like, yeah, we'll do that once. And, like, I feel like the fact that you guys have just done it every year, that you guys have been really committed to, like, keeping that going.

[Jim Norton]

I did. I think. I think you did the first 10. And the reason I still. I'll do them once in a while now, but it's almost like you want people to come see them. You don't want them to seem the same acts.

[Bert Kreischer]

Right.

[Jim Norton]

Which I'm really annoyed that I did the first 10. Because I've also often thought, if I died, yeah, fucking Patrice would have done one. Yeah, he would have done the first year, and he wouldn't have been happy.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

He would never be talking about me in interviews a decade later.

[Bert Kreischer]

Decade later.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, like, I'm so much nicer to his memory than he would be.

[Bert Kreischer]

Right. I think all you guys are like, really, like, you really have upheld that.

[Jim Norton]

You know, I just found a video. I just found this. Where it was. We did a film called Furry Vengeance, which was a classic with Brendan Fraser and Brooke Shields and Patrice and I played construction workers. And he was so miserable and difficult on that shoot. He was very funny. And there's a scene where we have to dance at the end. It's just as the credits are rolling. It's one of those. We had to do a dance to, I think, a Cypress Hill song. And it's something that's very humiliating to have to, like, dance to. But again, it was part of the thing that. Yeah, it wasn't my idea.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And I have video of us rehearsing, and he was just so miserable. And so it's such a. Patrice not really wanting to commit to it and just being annoyed. And there was no audience watching. It was just me, him, and one of the other actors. So I'm really glad I had that. Like, I really did love him. And he really was as funny as people think he was.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

But he was also, I think, a nicer guy than people think he was. Like, towards the end of his life, he started apologizing to people for things he had done that he felt, like, negatively affected them. He felt bad.

[Bert Kreischer]

Really?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. Yeah. He started to feel bad about stuff. He had 40. And I remember he called me one time, we were just. Whatever we were talking about, and he goes, man, I feel irrelevant. I'm like, what do you mean? He's. I just. I feel like I'm irrelevant. Completely irrelevant. Like, it was just. He was the same as any other comic. You would have great moments. And his. His like, fuck, I'm a piece of shit moment. And I think he apologized to Jeff Garland for the way he was to him on Tough Crowd, and there was a few other people that he started feeling guilty. It was because one of the things was he had done a project, and there was one guy on the set being a fucking douchebag, but it was Patrice's project. And Patrice goes, am I that guy on somebody else's thing? And he goes, I never want to be that guy again on somebody else's project. Because now I see how upsetting it is when someone.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

You know what I mean? So, you know, he was. He was a more self aware person than people. Like, oh, my God. Wow.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Those dumb hats. Oh. I mean, none of us are proud of that moment. Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

Well, that face he just made was. It didn't seem like he wanted to be doing.

[Jim Norton]

No, but that. Yeah, that's the dead. That little move they were just doing there, that was. Oh, I. I just. I can't.

[Bert Kreischer]

Furry vengeance.

[Jim Norton]

I've never seen the whole movie.

[Bert Kreischer]

That's hilarious.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Bert Kreischer]

You had a big smile on your face.

[Jim Norton]

I. I did, yeah. I mean, I just. I knew I was on camera. I just was happy to be there. At least Patrice had the integrity to go. This sucks. I remember we had the same manager at the time, and I remember he was being such a ball buster to the director in front of the other. Like, he was just so dismissed. He was like. He was at the table.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And I was like, dude, you're gonna get his. Are you doing. We get fired. I called my manager, like, you tell them this. You know, they're going to can them. I'm glad we. I'm glad we did that, though. It's just so.

[Bert Kreischer]

There we go.

[Jim Norton]

Awful.

[Bert Kreischer]

More dancing.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. Yeah. None of us were really proud to.

[Bert Kreischer]

Oh, there's. Yeah. Real.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, that's the. That's the part I wish I had just in the barrel.

[Bert Kreischer]

We're going to put this barrel on you again.

[Jim Norton]

Perfect.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah. That's awesome, man.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. I'm glad I have that footage of that. It was just us in a room, so it's like those little dumb things.

[Bert Kreischer]

How long is it friends? How long has he been.

[Jim Norton]

2011, I think. And I just. I've been thinking about him a lot lately because I did Ari Shafir's podcast a few weeks ago, and we were talking about the Brazil trips, and so he's. Hey, you have any pictures? So I was going through a lot of my Brazil photos with him and with Keith Robinson and Bobby Kelly and Voss. So, yeah, I was just going through all Brazil.

[Bert Kreischer]

Amazing.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't go back. We went three times. This was around 2003 and 4 radio was over at that point. We had gotten fired, so we were off the air for two years. So, yeah, we were going down there and have. Going to the whorehouses and it was fun.

[Bert Kreischer]

What's the best horror place?

[Jim Norton]

I only. You mean, like in the world? Yeah, I mean, for me, my big. That to me, was not one of them because I prefer English speakers because again, the communication is sexy. I don't want someone who's just gonna go, here you go. And then, like, I like someone who can talk dirty.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

New York or la for me, has been the best.

[Bert Kreischer]

Wow.

[Jim Norton]

Because there's the most people to choose from. Oh, Amsterdam. I didn't do it when I was there. I was like I looked or I think I went into one, but it might have been in Antwerp, Belgium. There was another place and I kind of just did it to do it.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

But I kind of like when the. When the person. You get to know them a little bit.

[Bert Kreischer]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Over time.

[Bert Kreischer]

Have a little rapport going.

[Jim Norton]

A little rapport going. Yeah. I like that a lot. New York's gonna be the best.

[Bert Kreischer]

There you go. New York, man. They really do have everything. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Say that never sleeps.

[Bert Kreischer]

Be sure to check out Jim's new special, Unconceivable. It is out right now on his YouTube channel. Make sure you listen to Jim Norton. Can't save you the podcast and see him on tour. Are you on tour right now?

[Jim Norton]

I am on tour. I got to change my tournament. By the way, I've said this about you too. The best tour name is I'm coming everywhere. I was jealous. I didn't think of that. But my, my tour picture is an abomination. I'm just an egg headed fat now, you know, with a suit. I should have been shot for that. But I was just. I needed something. So. Yeah, I have to change the name. Okay. Okay.

[Bert Kreischer]

But you can get tickets to see Jim [e-mail] Jim Norton.com. yeah, Jim Norton.com. all right. Thank you for coming, Jim. I love you, man. Thanks. Love you too. All right, bye, guys.

[Tom Segura]

One goes tops while the other wears a shirt.

[Jim Norton]

Tom tells stories and burts the machine. There's not a chance in hell that they'll keep it clean.

[Tom Segura]

Here's what we call two bears, one cave.