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2 Bears, 1 Cave with Tom Segura & Bert Kreischer
Matthew McConaughey Is The Coolest Dude In Texas | 2 Bears, 1 Cave
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Tom Segura
Tickets are available now for my November and December shows. November 27th, I am at the Hollywood, Florida, seminal hard rock. November 29th, I'm in Tallahassee at the Donald L. Tucker Civic Center. December 7th, I'm in N at the Lakefront Arena. And December 8th, I'm in Pensacola at the Pensacola Bay center. Tickets are@tomsagura.com tour I will see you there.
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Bert Kreischer
100%.
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Matthew McConaughey
All right.
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Tom Segura
We're sitting on the same side of the table this week, which is very strange, but it's because we are joined by the most handsome man in Austin, Texas, in the world. In the world, and possibly in the entire world. And you can get his already huge smash hit book, now available in paperback tomorrow. The book is, of course, called Green lights. It's Matthew McConaughey, everybody. Give him a hand.
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Matthew McConaughey
How we doing, man?
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Bert Kreischer
Buddy.
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Matthew McConaughey
Actually, I won most hands from 1988. There's a story in there about how he lost a lawsuit case against his oil of mink when I had a bad. The bad acne.
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Bert Kreischer
Do you mean when you put it on? Because your mom was selling it and she said, and it gave you cystic acne? Buddy, I will tell you, the book's awesome. Buy it. But the audiobook is insane.
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Matthew McConaughey
I listen.
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Tom Segura
You want to have Matthew McConaughey sound like he's calling you? Get the audiobook. Just talks and you put you to sleep.
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Matthew McConaughey
It was fun or fun to read. I bet they said it was going to take, like, four days to record it. And I remember just sitting there going, man, I know these toys. I wrote this. It's not gonna take four days. Popped a couple of buds in eight hours. One take. Really? Yeah.
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Tom Segura
Wow.
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Bert Kreischer
Don't listen to my audio book.
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Tom Segura
Yeah.
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Bert Kreischer
I can't read aloud.
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Tom Segura
Did you. I wrote a book a couple years ago. Number two New York Times bestseller. Couldn't get to number one. But I have a question. When I handed in, like, the first time, I sent the publisher, like, a draft.
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Matthew McConaughey
Yeah.
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Tom Segura
There was a different type of anxiety about submitting your writing as opposed to, like, an audition or.
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Matthew McConaughey
Oh, hell yeah.
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Tom Segura
Because you realize, you know, you can tweak, you can deliver. How you want to deliver a line, you can deliver. You can do things with your face, with your body, with your work. But when it's just like, here's what I wrote. There's like, this whole. This thing. You're like, fuck, man. Do you feel that, too, when you hear it?
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Matthew McConaughey
Yeah. Hell, yeah. I felt it for probably 15 years. I didn't have the courage to Even go try and write it. I mean, I've been gathering all these journals in a treasure chest and then telling my assistant, you know what, you're gonna start logging that stuff. Maybe something's worth sharing one day. And it stayed on micro cassettes. And then I. And what the last kicker to get out the door and go see what I had to write something was I asked my wife if, hey, when I die, I got these books. These are really important to me. Mind looking in there and seeing if something's worth sharing. And she just gave me the bird and said, f you, dude. You go do. Don't put that on me.
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Tom Segura
Right?
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Matthew McConaughey
Yeah, that's a big.
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Tom Segura
Yeah, that's a big thing to put on.
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Matthew McConaughey
Get out of here.
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Tom Segura
Yeah, yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey
So loaded up the truck and headed off to Marfa for 20 days with those, which was intimidating. But then when I did turn it in to declare yes, now being a writer.
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Tom Segura
Yeah, it's a big thing.
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Matthew McConaughey
I can't dance around this thing. I can't. You can't kind of put lipstick on it and call it a thoroughbred if it's a donkey, right?
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Tom Segura
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
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Matthew McConaughey
You put it there. And I mean, I felt like, I felt like it was something, right? But I didn't know if it was going to translate, if anyone else going to go, dude, that's your own pipe dream.
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Bert Kreischer
Totally.
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Matthew McConaughey
I don't get it.
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Tom Segura
Because there's also this thing, like, I mean, I don't know if you feel this way when you, if you go back and forth when you see yourself in a performance, but like when we do stand up specials, right? A lot of times you'll watch an edit the first like a cut of it and you're like, this fucking sucks. Like I suck. And then you, you know, you keep, you watch it. And then there's this like moment sometimes where you're like, you know what? This is actually pretty good. Like, I like this.
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Matthew McConaughey
But you go back, watch the same thing.
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Tom Segura
You're watching the same thing multiple times, you watch it and then you have, you have different feelings about it. And then, then there's that thing. It's like the night before the premiere, you're like, I feel pretty good. And then you're like, oh, fuck, man. You know, it's just like roller coaster, right? But I don't know if you feel that way about a performance. But like on a book, I feel like there's this thing where you're, you read it sometimes you. A good chapter. Like, I like this chapter. And then you have your that's just doubt. Like it says you get feelings of doubt.
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Matthew McConaughey
Yeah. I mean, look, every. Every performance I see, I really don't see. I don't think I'm fair about any performances of minor moves until about the third or fourth viewing.
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Tom Segura
Right. It changes the first viewing.
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Matthew McConaughey
I'm a mom. Every. Every film I've ever done, I physically have gotten sick in the parking lot. And I think it's partially, you know, one scene, a full week comes rushing back.
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Tom Segura
Yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey
And I'm like, why do you take four? Oh, second half of take eight. I remember that morning. I didn't. Or, you know, so I'm not really laid back watching the story. I'm micromanaging my performance and everybody else's, and it's okay. I get out of a two hour screening, I'm. I'm sweating. It was a workout.
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Tom Segura
Yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey
That's not really kicking back, watching a movie. But second, third or fourth time I could sit back and watch it. It's kind of like watching any Coen Brothers movie for me. And I've never been in a Coen Brothers movie, but my favorite music Coen Brothers movie is about the fourth time because you pick up all the great genius background stuff. Had a carrot, you know.
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Bert Kreischer
Oh, the line in Raising Arizona, we are in the proverbial cat bird seat. I'm like, fucking favorite line in any movie. Didn't catch it until my eighth time watching it. And I went, my wife, what is that? She goes, cat bird. He's on cat birds.
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Matthew McConaughey
These blow up in funny shapes. That one, Sheriff. Circular is funny.
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Bert Kreischer
Circular is funny.
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Matthew McConaughey
So I mean, I have that with performances with the book. But by the time we had edited down, I will say this. Did you have this experience or that you send something in, you're like, God, this is hot shit. This chapter's good. This story's great.
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Tom Segura
It looks like somebody was murdered on it. When they send you the notes back.
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Matthew McConaughey
And they go, oh, well, get it?
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Tom Segura
Yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey
And I puffed up going, how can you not get that? If you don't get that, then you don't get the whole books about.
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Bert Kreischer
Sweet.
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Matthew McConaughey
What chapter is it? No, I had a few. But what happened? Here's what I learned.
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Bert Kreischer
Okay.
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Matthew McConaughey
90% of the time, thankfully, I had good editors. I hadn't written it well enough. That was them saying. And then I went back and wrote it better, and they're like, oh, I get it.
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Tom Segura
Right?
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Matthew McConaughey
But I went in thinking, you know, sometimes we have our own Cliff Notes and we don't.
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Tom Segura
Sure.
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Matthew McConaughey
Well, they're going to get that part. But no, you didn't write it.
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Tom Segura
I actually thought I got really lucky in that I had a. Suzanne O'Neill was the one who would send me notes about chapter. It was a collection of essays and stories and there was times where I would see the notes coming back with so much and I was like, what the fuck? And then when I sat and read them and discussed them, I was like, yeah, you're right, I didn't do it well enough. Yeah. But she made it way better by doing right. Yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey
No, my editors did too. With me there's times. Or. Yeah, there was a lot. There's a lot cut. But I had once. Once I declared and we kind of put it all together and tried to make it a bit of an interactive play interrupted by prescribe or a poem or a picture and had that playfulness. And every time I'd get going, every time I'm preaching something.
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Tom Segura
Yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey
Have to come off of that or come in after. Precede that with a story where I eat.
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Tom Segura
Yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey
Or so that. So the reader can stomach it. You want to like, you know.
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Tom Segura
Yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey
So you can. So you can see me self deprecating tell a story where I ate and then after that you can stomach me going. So here's the lesson I learned from it. Yes. You know, but don't be going straight advice across the board. People shut that thing on. Shut up, quit. Tell me what the fuck to do for sure.
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Tom Segura
No, that's.
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Matthew McConaughey
Did you notice this? This is something big thing in the person. First, second, third, I. You. We. So it's about us telling you telling first person. This is my experience. You can't really. You can have an opinion, but you can't really judge me right or wrong. I'm just telling you how I experienced it. Second person's you now we're giving advice. Telling. Gotta watch telling people what to do. Right. Gotta watch that because someone likes to be told what to do. Third, the royal we. Which you gotta watch that because then your shit can all sound like big platitudes like what do you got? Or something. You're speaking for us, you know, the proverbial we. But. But the interplay of those was a real something that I got real conscious of along the way. Because if I would go into the you too much, it comes across preachy. Definitely going to the eye all the time. You're going, well it's your story. But what's that to do with me? I don't see myself. And if you use a proverbial we, you're like, okay, yeah, Mr. Big Stuff speaking with the voice of God.
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Tom Segura
No, it's a collection. It's a huge lesson because it also. That's also how, like, we address crowds. Same thing. You know, you're always conscious of, like, I did. Like, if it's a dumbass moment, you're like, I'm a dumbass. Right? But, like, you kind of want to wrap people. You kind of want to dance with that stuff so that you can bring them in, make fun of yourself. And then you can also, the more you do that, then you give. You have leverage to criticize. Then you can be like, you know, who's a fucking idiot? And then you get to do that. But you have to do me, me, me first. Yeah, yeah, you gotta. You gotta look like the dumbass. For sure.
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Bert Kreischer
The takeaway from this book is that there are dudes who put on a hat because someone said it's cool and they want to look cool. And they walk into a bar and you simply put on the hat and are cool. Like, this fucking book is like. Like, some people go, I'm going to drive through the desert for the next three days. So that people say, he's driving through the desert. Yeah, it's on his Instagram. You did it at a time. No one was talking about it. You get you right after you did a Time to Kill, you just were like, fuck it. I'm getting a van, I'm getting a dog, and I'm gone. And you weren't doing it for anyone. In a world where everyone's doing it for optics, you were doing these journeys to the Congo, to Africa, fucking motorcycle with Cole Hauser and Roy Cochran. You guys weren't doing it for.
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Tom Segura
You didn't record it for social media. You mean then did it even happen?
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Matthew McConaughey
Exactly.
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Tom Segura
We wasted that.
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Matthew McConaughey
Got some killer black and whites from it.
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Bert Kreischer
But it's so cool.
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Matthew McConaughey
Well, I don't know. I mean, that's kind of. What if you try and be cool, you really know. I don't know anyone that's really cool. We try to be cool. We always talk. I always talk about this, about the city of Austin. All you gotta do is be you. A lot of people move to Austin going, okay, well, I'm gonna try to be what I think being me's like, no, that's not cool. Or I'm gonna try to be what Austin is like so that. No, no, no, no. Just be you, bro. You gotta stay in your own lane, do your own thing. And, you know, that's cool.
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Tom Segura
This is something I want to ask about cool, though, because there's a funny thing about when you watch a movie where the guy's cool.
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Matthew McConaughey
Yeah.
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Tom Segura
Like when you get a cool role. Because I think, like, I was thinking about, I was watching Daniel Craig, right? And he's in like a knives out thing where he gets. Yeah, it's like a fun. It's a different. It's a character, right? And you get to see, like, him having fun. Then you watch like a Bond movie. And I think the easy. It's easy to watch. And you go, oh, that's like, that's not like real acting, right? But then you stop and you go, wait a minute, though. To like, to be the coolest guy in the world for every shot, you're like, that actually is a thing. And you can't look like you're trying to be cool because then you're a fucking dork.
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Matthew McConaughey
Yeah.
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Tom Segura
So it's like, he's got to walk cool. He's got to look cool. And it's like, how do you play cool?
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Matthew McConaughey
Ah, dude. I think cool comes from just ownership. You know, if it's an actor role. Owning my man, for instance, first role I ever did, Wooderson days. Confused.
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Bert Kreischer
Fucking love it.
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Matthew McConaughey
There's a line written in there, Richard Linklater, one of the original lines. I call it a launch pad line. Those lines that you go, this character means that there's a. There's a book written I could write on that character, right? Wooderson's hanging out in front of the pool hall. High school chicks walk by, checks him out the backside. His buddy leans in his ear, says, wooderson, you got to cut that out, man. You're gonna end up in jail. He says, no, man, that's what I love about those high school girls, man. I get older, but they say the same age. I went, who the fuck is that?
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Bert Kreischer
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Tom Segura
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Matthew McConaughey
That guy is not saying that line to be cool? What if that guy's. That's not an attitude. He's not trying to make a joke to make Sasha laugh, right? No. What if he's like, that's. I got life figured out, man. This is how the math works.
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Tom Segura
Yeah.
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Bert Kreischer
Yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey
This is. I am living in the salad days, to quote the Cohens. Right?
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Tom Segura
Yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey
So it's a life philosophy.
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Tom Segura
Yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey
Now, that unpacked all kinds of stuff.
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Tom Segura
Because it was truth.
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Matthew McConaughey
Truth. And the guy saying this truth. And I think, what happened? And I look back at the scene, I actually stepped forward on the curb and kind of set it to the ether, set it to the universe. Like, we're good, man.
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Bert Kreischer
Yeah.
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Tom Segura
Yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey
That's why I like Woodson. And I wasn't trying to be cool, but owning.
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Tom Segura
Owning it is your.
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Matthew McConaughey
Your. Your. Your. Your life, your politics, whatever it is. Your what you want, what you can do, what you can't do.
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Tom Segura
Yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey
What works for you, what doesn't without soliciting, without intruding. Cool doesn't really intrude. Cool doesn't trespass. You know those people you talk to you like, man, I love talking because they're always. They kind of hold their space, man. You know those people you talk to that are always trying to get in there and solicit and get the. You're like, be cool, man.
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Tom Segura
Yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey
Yeah. Hold your own. Hold your own. Your.
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Bert Kreischer
Yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey
You don't need me to convert to make you cool.
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Tom Segura
Right. Chill the fuck out. Right, Right.
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Matthew McConaughey
So it's own. I think it's. I think it's ownership. And if I can find that or any performance I see where you see somebody own whoever they are, the most nerds are cool, right. When they're like, I'm a nerd, man. I like this shit. That's cool.
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Bert Kreischer
Yes.
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Matthew McConaughey
I don't think dorks are cool because dorks.
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Tom Segura
What's the difference between a nerd and a dork?
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Matthew McConaughey
Nerd. Dorks want to say, dorks change their answer for wherever they are to fit the circumstance, to do what they think is the cool thing.
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Tom Segura
You need to come to the comedy mothership. Fucking green room. There's a bunch of dorks in there.
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Matthew McConaughey
Okay.
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Tom Segura
I think Amie made it real clear.
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Matthew McConaughey
But, I mean.
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Tom Segura
That'S so true. When do we start drinking tequila?
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Matthew McConaughey
Coming up. That's.
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Tom Segura
That's the perfect summary.
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Bert Kreischer
That's the perfect summary, really, is because.
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Tom Segura
It becomes about somebody being inauthentic. They're pleasing whoever is talking to them, essentially, you're a fucking dork at that point.
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Matthew McConaughey
It's. That's. There's no. There's no compass. It's. It's all a. It's all. Everything's an affair.
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Tom Segura
Yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey
There's no marriage on any sort of pov, Right. Or stance.
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Tom Segura
You don't have anything where you come from. Yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey
It's like. We talk about improv a lot. Y'all know improv. But I'm in movies and comedians do this sometimes. Some comedians are very good actors. Some are better performers at a skit and not necessarily a great actor.
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Tom Segura
Totally.
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Matthew McConaughey
There are some scenes, and I won't point them out, but there's some scenes in the movie that we've all laughed at very hard. But I look at and go, that's a great SNL skit. But that had nothing to do with the relationship in the circumstance in that movie.
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Tom Segura
Right.
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Matthew McConaughey
So riffing and improv's not an amendment. It's not a one off of. I gotta find a spot to get this joke in, and if I get a gap, I'm gonna throw it.
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Tom Segura
Yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey
If it has no context.
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Tom Segura
Yeah. It doesn't.
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Matthew McConaughey
Right.
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Tom Segura
Yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey
Then it's like, okay, that's a skit. Improv comes from the good improv, I think, comes from the written word, from the. For. What was the base of who? The who. The who the character is, what's a circumstance? What's a relationship? And then if you can riff on that.
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Tom Segura
Yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey
Then you're like, I don't know. You call it improv. I don't know. It's coming from. You're just expanding. Like, I get a launch pad line like that. I'm going. I come back, work for three weeks. Linklater throws me in scenes. I'm going, like, everything's based off the guy who believes that I've got life figured out. Because that's what I love about high school girls. I get older, they say, the same age. You know, what car that guy drives, you know, what time he's. You know, if he's married. If he's got kids. If he doesn't, what music he listens to, what he's buying. If he's got a dollar in his pocket, goes in 7 11.
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Tom Segura
Yep.
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Matthew McConaughey
You know what this guy's got, right? You know what's in his car? You know what's in his console?
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Tom Segura
Yep.
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Matthew McConaughey
By that line.
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Tom Segura
By that line. One of the things. I just wrapped production yesterday here in Austin on a show we did, and it was so much fun, and I got to work with so many great actors on it. And one of my favorite things about great actors, as opposed to other ones, is that great actors. I realize this. We had, like, amazing people that came in to do it. Shea Wigham came in. Hey. Shay Wiggum, amazing. Dan Stevens, Marlin Barr. Just all these great actors can. Is that they all are in service of the scene and that they go, oh, no. Like, I should. I should do less here. And you're like. Because most people are like, I want.
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Bert Kreischer
Like.
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Tom Segura
Some people come in, they go, I want to add a bunch of shit. I'm gonna say. And you're like, dude, relax. You're just supposed to say, like, excuse me. And those. And you bring in, like, great actors, like, the ones I name. And they would go like, oh, yeah. So I think I'm just gonna. I think I should just, you know, look at the door. And you're like, actually, yeah, that's way better. That serves the scene.
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Matthew McConaughey
You gotta earn your moments, acting. And in life, you gotta earn your mo. Stand up. You gotta earn that punchline.
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Tom Segura
Sure.
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Matthew McConaughey
Right? You gotta earn that callback.
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Tom Segura
Yeah, right.
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Matthew McConaughey
If you don't earn it, it lands you like, where's. What you talking about?
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Tom Segura
Yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey
You gotta earn your moments in a performance. I think, like, in life, too, you gotta. It's just important to where you're not.
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Tom Segura
Right.
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Matthew McConaughey
It's where you are.
- [20:59]
Tom Segura
This is.
- [21:00]
Matthew McConaughey
If you look. I look at staying on days. Confusing Wooderson. The last scene we shot, I'm now working three weeks. I'm loving this. People are telling me they think I'm good at it. I'm getting paid 360 bucks a day. I'm going, this is legal. This is great, man. Give me. Call me back as much as I can.
- [21:16]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [21:17]
Matthew McConaughey
There's a scene where Wooderson, there. They're at the. They've had the night at the field. Now they're gonna go get the Aerosmith tickets in Wooderson's car. And he's like. Talks to the gang, goes, all right, man, we're heading out. And he goes, to his car. Towards his car. And the group stayed there. And I don't remember exactly what happened. The group stayed where they were, and I returned to the group. And I remember that night feeling like false move bullshit. Wooderson would have never two stepped. Wooderson would have gone to his car, sat back, cranked it up, put on some tunes, rolled a doobie, and waited for everyone in their own time to come get in his car. I2 stepped.
- [21:56]
Tom Segura
Mm.
- [21:56]
Matthew McConaughey
But not a Wooderson move. It's a tad dorky. Even though Wooderson's not. You know what I mean? It was a two step.
- [22:04]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey
And Wooderson was a guy who just, whatever way he heads, by hook or by crook, if he passes the pot of gold. Well, he passed it. Maybe he'll catch it next time around, but he's never going to. Two steps. And now I shouldn't have gone back to that scene. I shouldn't have reentered that scene.
- [22:19]
Tom Segura
You didn't realize it at the time.
- [22:21]
Matthew McConaughey
No, I didn't realize that.
- [22:22]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey
Get more screen time.
- [22:24]
Tom Segura
Sure, yeah.
- [22:24]
Bert Kreischer
No, yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey
Hanging out with the guy. I mean, why not?
- [22:26]
Bert Kreischer
It is your first movie.
- [22:28]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey
Yeah.
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Bert Kreischer
And you have. And you have iconic, culturally iconic lines that we say for the rest of our lives Crazy in your first fucking move. Your first three movies. Insane Boys on the boys on the side. That and A Time to Kill. Your first three movies.
- [22:46]
Matthew McConaughey
Well, there's Chain, Texas Chainsaw, Massager.
- [22:49]
Bert Kreischer
That's the.
- [22:50]
Tom Segura
All right, so your first three.
- [22:51]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah, yeah, dude. And I. Yeah. The first one I get walking in the right bar at the right time, meet a guy named Don Phillips. Four in the morning. He's riding with me in a cab to go drop me off my apartment. Heroes of Dube says, you ever done any acting? I said, man, been in the middle light commercial for about that long. More of a modeling job. Well, you might be right. Come to this address in the morning, pick up the script. I go pick it up. That was three lines and days that worked out for three weeks. The Chainsaw Massacre. I was supposed to play a part of a guy that was like a Romeo to Renee Zellweger's Juliet, where I, like, ride up on a motorcycle at the beginning, past the school, black leather helmet, look at her right off. And at the end, after she escapes, pick her up. I go in for that. I've already got my U Haul packed to go west, young man. It's packed. I've moved out. I'm out of that. I'm not renting a place anymore. I'm gonna Swing by. It's a one day job. I go by the production house to go see the director. And while we're sitting there and I'm gonna shoot like two days, he goes, hey, we haven't been able to cast the main killer, Vilmer, the guy with the mechanical leg who can't find his remote. He drives a tow truck. He goes, you know any, any male actors in town? I gave him a couple names and I remember I left, I got to my car and I never forget it. My blue truck, old blue. I opened the door and as I was stepping from the sidewalk into the cab, I stopped. I went, I should go read for that. I shut the door, went back in, said, I want to read for it. He goes, okay, we don't have any actors, actors around here. And I went. And the secretary goes, I'll do, I'll do it. And he goes, man, just, you know, I don't know, scare. See if you can scare the hell out of her. And I went to the kitchen, I grabbed a big exercise like serving spoon and I came back and welded it like some knife and went off. And it scared the shit out of her. And she drew tears. And after we were over, she was like, that was great. You really scared me. And he goes, you got the part. So all of a sudden, I'm working for a month in Pflugerville and had to go sleep on a buddy's couch and pull out stuff out of damn U haul for the next month. Then drove out west, which I had days confused. The film would come out and I had that as a bit of a.
- [24:58]
Tom Segura
Yeah, here it is. I can audition.
- [25:00]
Matthew McConaughey
And then I have the stories in there about feeling needy, you know, feeling like I needed to get an agent. And that same guy, Don Phillips, who I met in the bar that night, the one who ate my ass out and said, get the hell out of here. This town will eat you up. You. They smell needy. Get out of here. Go ride to go. Go off with your buds. And me and Cole and Rory hit. Hit Europe for over a month, riding motorcycles. Came back. I was. I was. I was ready because I was. I was. I was running out of money, but I was also like, come on, man, I need. And I would have taken those meetings and they'd have been like, not very. He's not as cool as we thought he might have been.
- [25:36]
Tom Segura
He's like, desperation always reads.
- [25:38]
Matthew McConaughey
I would have been trespassing. I was desperate.
- [25:40]
Bert Kreischer
But there's a fine line between desperation and getting what you want. Like when you did a time to kill. They wanted you to play a clan member.
- [25:46]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah.
- [25:47]
Bert Kreischer
And you, but there's so like, there's the person who goes, I want to be the star. Right.
- [25:51]
Tom Segura
Yes.
- [25:51]
Bert Kreischer
But you've always navigated a great way of going, of advocating for yourself. Like.
- [25:59]
Matthew McConaughey
Well, that one was.
- [26:01]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [26:01]
Matthew McConaughey
I mean, I'd read the script. I was like, Jake Bance, that's, that's the guy I like to, you know. And I go in and have that meeting and I did plan it. It's one of those things, those plans that kind of went well. I have to say I've been fortunate a few times where some ideal plans where I'm gonna lay down the snafu or the bait that have worked out. Many of them haven't, but this one did. And after, I remember I was wearing, I was wearing a John Mellencamp sleeveless T shirt, man. Smoking cigarettes, man. I'm laying back and he's like, we've, we agreed. I've got the part of the Klansmen. We're all set. And I said, so who's playing the lead of Jake began? And he says, I don't know. Who do you think should. I think I should.
- [26:52]
Bert Kreischer
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- [29:28]
Matthew McConaughey
Never going to happen. I just laid by. They planted a seed though. And as you read, a lot of things went my way. Sandra Bullock, who was already cast while you were sleeping did. Really made a lot of money.
- [29:41]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [29:41]
Matthew McConaughey
All of a sudden I think she could greenlight a movie where when she was cast, I don't think she was able to. John Grisham wouldn't approve. My buddy Woody Harrelson.
- [29:49]
Bert Kreischer
It's crazy.
- [29:50]
Matthew McConaughey
You know why you hear this crazy stuff, man. So Oliver Stone, remember that time? I don't know if you remember that time Oliver Stone and John Grisham were having a battle. Evidently there was a killing of a farmer in Mississippi, I think. Excuse me if I don't get the details right. And it was a murder by a young man and a young woman. And they said they were enacting the Mickey Mallory from Natural Born Killers.
- [30:20]
Tom Segura
Mm. Oh, right.
- [30:23]
Matthew McConaughey
The farmer. John Grisham's was good friends with John Grisham. Deconstructs, has approval over the roles. Well, that guy's not playing me.
- [30:37]
Tom Segura
Right.
- [30:37]
Matthew McConaughey
You know, so things odd things opened up and then the timing was right and all of a sudden the movie's going. The last thing to cast is the lead. They got, you know, Carly Haley, they got Sam Jackson, they got Sandra, everything's looking good. Well, maybe we'll take a chance on this more relatively unknown guy. And Schumacher does me a real solid. I remember it was. It was either Valentine's Day or Mother's Day. I can't remember, but it was a Sunday and I. They flew me to LA and it was. He said, we're going to shoot in this little studio on Fairfax. We're not.
- [31:12]
Bert Kreischer
It was Mother's Day.
- [31:13]
Matthew McConaughey
Was it Mother's Day?
- [31:14]
Bert Kreischer
Yeah.
- [31:14]
Matthew McConaughey
Okay. We're gonna shoot pretty good day to Malaprop. One or the other. Valentine's Mother's Day. Love you, Mom.
- [31:21]
Bert Kreischer
You called your mom that morning?
- [31:23]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah. So we go on Fairfax and he says, the reason we're not shooting at a studio is because no matter how good you do, you're probably not getting this part. And I don't want it to be on your record or resume of try it out and didn't get it. It's not a good way for you to get started in Hollywood. Damn.
- [31:41]
Tom Segura
That's so thoughtful.
- [31:43]
Matthew McConaughey
How about that?
- [31:43]
Bert Kreischer
Cool. Shit.
- [31:44]
Tom Segura
That is really thoughtful.
- [31:46]
Matthew McConaughey
Yay.
- [31:46]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [31:47]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah.
- [31:49]
Tom Segura
Wow.
- [31:50]
Matthew McConaughey
And it worked out. But that was a little. I planted a seed that day that did I think it help in it for then ended up to pay off. When I was in there in that audition said I think I should.
- [32:00]
Tom Segura
I want to ask you this because we're talking about directors because you're incredible actor and you've worked with a ton of directors. At this point, is there something, whether or not they're well known or not, that you love from a director when you're starting a production and conversely, something that you really don't like?
- [32:22]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah. So the best directors say yes. It puts fuel on your fire.
- [32:33]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [32:33]
Matthew McConaughey
The best directors want the actor. You want the talent to own their stuff. You want them to believe it's their idea. We all want it to feel like it's our idea.
- [32:43]
Tom Segura
Sure.
- [32:43]
Matthew McConaughey
I say one thing when I go and meet directors now and I just say wilder and look, man, I'm easy to direct. Just don't tell me what to do.
- [32:49]
Tom Segura
Yeah. Yeah, that's great.
- [32:51]
Matthew McConaughey
Make me. But. But I love it when you manipulate me.
- [32:53]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [32:54]
Matthew McConaughey
And make me think it's my idea, but it was really yours. I'm quietly going, bravo. Yeah, I saw that. But I'm not calling it out. Yeah, but I caught that. I love that.
- [33:04]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [33:05]
Bert Kreischer
Trick me, bro.
- [33:06]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah. It's simple. I'm letting you know. I'm easy prey, man. Like coyote tell me go that way. I'm gonna go that way. So Just tell me, go. Want me to go the opposite way.
- [33:14]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [33:14]
Matthew McConaughey
You know, I'll fall right into your hand.
- [33:18]
Tom Segura
So a stubborn one is one who would be no fun for you.
- [33:22]
Matthew McConaughey
Well, to one is a lot of directors. If things are going well and you're. And your actors, you know, it's going. The performances are going well, have the confidence to sit back and go, yep. Next. Because we get hot hands sometimes.
- [33:42]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [33:43]
Matthew McConaughey
And you don't want a director and you also don't want an actor that's competing for the best idea.
- [33:48]
Tom Segura
That's a big one.
- [33:49]
Matthew McConaughey
It happens in those. Probably in those. Some of those green rooms. Right. For sure. You know, because I've been around some of those. There's competition for the best idea. And when I've got. You got the hot hand and you had the best six ideas in a row on a set. When you're acting as a director, I want you to have the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 40th in a row.
- [34:13]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [34:13]
Matthew McConaughey
You're hot, man.
- [34:14]
Tom Segura
Yeah, go.
- [34:15]
Matthew McConaughey
You're in the lot. You're getting me what I want, and you're owning it. Let's do it.
- [34:20]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [34:23]
Matthew McConaughey
If the director will try my way or try the way I want to do it. And sincerely go. I see that now. Will you try it this way? I'm much more able to go. You're damn right I will. And I'm going to give this real justice. I'm not worried that it's my idea. We just want the best idea. We just want the best idea to happen.
- [34:45]
Tom Segura
Sure.
- [34:45]
Matthew McConaughey
The other thing is that when you're in a movie, I always say this. The communication with the director is what you do between action and cut. It's not what you say outside of it. Here's what I think we want to do in the scene. All that can be great to get there, but really your communication is what you do between action and cut. And if what the best thing that can happen is when you have an idea what you want to do in a scene, you don't say it to anybody. Then you do the scene and they come back and go, you know why I love that? Here's what I got from the scene. And they go, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa. And you pull the. No, no. Pull your paper out of your pocket and you go, it's exactly. Look what I wrote.
- [35:19]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [35:20]
Matthew McConaughey
I wrote down what I wanted to do, what I wanted to hopefully come across. You just said, yeah. And there it is.
- [35:26]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [35:27]
Matthew McConaughey
I'd written it down. Beforehand, that's kind of a kismet moment when that can happen. So I think, no, no, no, no. You know, I don't like the word no. Best directors. And started off with this with Linklater. You know, listen, we call it verbal ping pong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What if. Yeah, yeah. And what if that. Yeah, yeah. But it's a forward moving process you're figuring out. And he's directing me, redirecting me through the give and the take and the flow of the creative, but never going, no, not that. Boom. Actors will go, whoa, you just, you just gave me a red light. Yeah, you just stunted my growth. My creativity just stopped. Now, anything you tell me to do after this, it's your idea, not mine. Come on, man. Trick me to think it's fine.
- [36:12]
Tom Segura
Right.
- [36:14]
Bert Kreischer
Smart. Do you need. Do you need approval from a director as you're doing it, or can you operate independently?
- [36:19]
Matthew McConaughey
I can operate independently, but I like approval of it because there's times where. And I've tried to close these gaps, meaning there's what we intend to do, there's what we actually do. There's what gets recorded and there's what gets edited. Trying to close all those gaps. And over 35 years, I have been able to close the gaps where what I'm wanting to do is pretty close to what I'm doing, which is pretty close to what's getting recorded. Hopefully what's going to get edited.
- [36:48]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [36:50]
Matthew McConaughey
But sometimes it's not. And I need that director to go, come here. I know what you're trying to hear, what you're trying to do, but come look at it. And I'll watch scene and go, oh, that's not what's coming across. Got you. Maybe that's the angle. Maybe that's me. But sometimes there's a larger gap to, oh, here's what I thought I was doing. No, maybe it was, but it's not captured. Or maybe what you thought you were doing is not actually what you were doing.
- [37:14]
Tom Segura
What is everyone. Because we're all mesmerized by Scorsese. And you did Wolf of Wall Street. What's he like on?
- [37:21]
Matthew McConaughey
Dude loves funny.
- [37:26]
Tom Segura
Really?
- [37:27]
Matthew McConaughey
So. And nonverbal. I don't think he gave me any direction that had an English word in it.
- [37:33]
Tom Segura
Really?
- [37:34]
Matthew McConaughey
No, it was all, do the musical. Everything's musical. And we'll be here. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Musical and funny. And to see his little shoulders start bouncing when he's laughing, it's just beautiful.
- [38:00]
Tom Segura
That's awesome.
- [38:01]
Matthew McConaughey
So, you know, I go in. I wrote a lot of extra stuff in that scene in there. And that. That character had a launch pad line. That character who says to Leonardo's character, when Leonardo says, what's the secret of this business? There was a line written in the script that said, cocaine and hookers. And I just went, okay, is this guy being funny or does he really believe that? What if a guy really believes that the secret to this brokering business is cocaine and hookers, we can unpack that and write a book, right?
- [38:38]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [38:39]
Matthew McConaughey
Why cocaine? Why hookers? What did all these things do which led to, you know, jerking off and how many times a day? Rookie numbers. Don't want too much travel. You need more bass. All that bullshit that I was spewing. And I remember it was just so funny. It was so fun to do. Thank you. It was super fun to do. And I went in. Sometimes I'll just go, like, let's just do it live. I'm going to introduce it on the day. Sometimes I don't have the balls for that. And I'm like, I might want to run this by. All right.
- [39:11]
Tom Segura
Hey, Marty, I got an idea.
- [39:13]
Matthew McConaughey
So the day before, I said, listen, I've been playing with this scene and extended it, but I think. I guess because he's like, yeah, we ought to do it. And I. And I did it. And I was like, those are the times. Like, you better do it.
- [39:24]
Tom Segura
Well, yeah.
- [39:24]
Matthew McConaughey
Because if you don't, they're gonna go, no. And you can't bring them back. Reel them back in the next day when you're live, Right?
- [39:30]
Bert Kreischer
Yeah.
- [39:30]
Matthew McConaughey
So I did it. Well, he was sitting there kind of laughing, and I remember, he just goes, did you say the thing about the thing? I went, yes, I did. He goes, did you say the thing about. There were two points he was like, wanted to hear. Did you say the other thing about thing? I said, yeah. He goes, okay, great. Do that. And the next day, went out and did it. And I tell the story all the time, but we were five takes. Got it. Moving on. And Leonardo goes, hang on, Marty. And goes, what's that thing to me? He goes, what's that thing you're doing before the scene? Because I was doing the. And it was a thing I do before scenes in different rhythms to relax.
- [40:08]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [40:09]
Matthew McConaughey
Get myself out of my head. Find the rhythm. You don't want to come in thinking, right, I'm stepping into Scorsese movie. I'm one day work or two day worker. I got nerves. It helps get rid of Anxiety. It also helps the crew go, what's the fucking weirdo doing?
- [40:23]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [40:23]
Matthew McConaughey
Which is good. Puts you in an underdog situation.
- [40:25]
Bert Kreischer
Fight out of it.
- [40:26]
Matthew McConaughey
Right?
- [40:28]
Tom Segura
Lunatic. Do it.
- [40:29]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah. It's a good feeling. Like, what? So I'm going to. Good. They're not sure, so I got to really make this count. And I sold him, and that's what I'm doing it for. He goes, what if you do that in the scene and the next takes. What's in the movie?
- [40:40]
Tom Segura
That's awesome.
- [40:41]
Bert Kreischer
That's fucking wild.
- [40:43]
Tom Segura
That's so cool.
- [40:44]
Bert Kreischer
That's cool to know that two people I love could work together. So a lot of times you think you get two stars in there and there's a competition.
- [40:51]
Matthew McConaughey
There can be. There can be. Not, not, not. Not with the. Not with the really good ones. Look, you look. You want to be stolen from. It's an honor to be stolen from on set in a way that you. Again, you know, they stole, but. Ooh, that was a good pickpocket.
- [41:09]
Bert Kreischer
Yeah.
- [41:09]
Matthew McConaughey
It's kind of a compliment in the way I was talking about the director about like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But how about this? You're kind of. They're stealing, you know, and it's an honor to kind of be stolen from. And you want to steal. And then also, still. That was a version of Leonardo. Giving.
- [41:24]
Tom Segura
That's very giving.
- [41:25]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah. He goes, that thing. I don't know what it is, but this is a wild scene. It's a wild cat. Can you put that in? So we just. How it fell in. It fell in. And then he sat over there very easily. I mean, he's playing it. Listen. Trying to get on the groove. What's he talking about? Yeah, I think I understand. Or do I? I'm not sure. You know, And a lot of times, yeah, you will have. You have people in that position that may go, dude, I don't like this. I'm. They will think I'm losing this scene.
- [41:53]
Tom Segura
Right.
- [41:53]
Matthew McConaughey
Or I'm getting shown up in this scene. Really confident actor's not going to feel that way. Look, confident actors are going to go, I've got plenty to do. This is great. Let me put fuel on this fire. This makes the movie better. Maybe there's a great scene.
- [42:07]
Tom Segura
You know, I watched this thing. It was the behind the scenes, like the rolling take of you on Eastbound and down. Yeah. And between takes, it was still, you know, it was rolling. It was watching you do like, you were just staying loose.
- [42:22]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah.
- [42:22]
Tom Segura
It's fun to watch. Cause you're like, oh, he's just staying loose right here.
- [42:25]
Matthew McConaughey
Trying to not, you know, trying to get from the reason to the rhyme. Because you go study, you prepare. It's reason. I understand why you want to know what you want to know what you're saying. I think words are important. By the time you show up, you kind of want to hopefully chunk all that shit out of the way and get out. I want to get nonverbal now, man. Let's get. Let's get into the. Let's get into the rhyme and let's get into the ether here and get this thing off. Off the. Let's levitate.
- [42:50]
Bert Kreischer
I love that you like getting weird. Like, it's my favorite thing is late night families asleep, back to the man cave. Bottle of wine, cowboy boots, gloves, Speedos and listen to music. And just like if someone walked in.
- [43:03]
Matthew McConaughey
You just did a Speedo ad out there.
- [43:05]
Bert Kreischer
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like it, I like it. And you know, so funny. I think that's the. There's such a child still about you. There's still like, you're still that kid in like a loincloth put. Building a fort then.
- [43:20]
Matthew McConaughey
I hope so. I don't want to, you know.
- [43:24]
Tom Segura
Oh, you know, I remember when I met you, I wanted to tell you that I met you.
- [43:30]
Bert Kreischer
Oh, see if you remember this, it was 25 years ago.
- [43:32]
Tom Segura
Yeah. You know, you definitely don't remember. It was fucking hilarious. It was across the street from your house. So you had. In la.
- [43:42]
Matthew McConaughey
In la.
- [43:43]
Tom Segura
So across from you. I'll paint the picture.
- [43:45]
Matthew McConaughey
Okay.
- [43:46]
Tom Segura
If you walk out of your house to your right, there was a woman who was divorced from a TV producer writer, and she had a tennis court. And then like, if you walk Hollywood Hills. Yes.
- [43:57]
Matthew McConaughey
Astral.
- [43:58]
Tom Segura
Yes, yes. And then to the left, it was like a fucking Saudi arms dealer.
- [44:02]
Matthew McConaughey
Yes. And some things would go on late night over there.
- [44:04]
Tom Segura
So I was at his house.
- [44:05]
Matthew McConaughey
You were filming.
- [44:06]
Tom Segura
No, I wasn't filming.
- [44:11]
Matthew McConaughey
I go.
- [44:11]
Tom Segura
I go over there with the guy who would teach tennis to the lady on the right. And he's like, yeah, I'd live here sometimes. I'm like, you're not fucking her. And he was like, oh, I just teach tennis. I was like, okay. So he's like, he befriended the Saudi dude.
- [44:28]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah.
- [44:29]
Tom Segura
So we're over there one night, you walk, there's. He's having a party and there's women and everybody. And I was like, you know, just walking around, walking up the hill, there's a dude in swim trunks, barefoot, with goggles on his head. I'm like, who's this motherfucker? And then. And everyone's like, that's Matthew McConaughey. I was like, shut the up. And so he walks up. I still remember this girl was like, how do you spell your last name? And you. That's a really good question. And you spelled it. And then she was like, wait, what? And then you were like, I just fucking spelled it. You spelled it again. And then I was like, this is why. This felt like a real Hollywood, like, thing, you know? I was like, this is. This is crazy. All these people around. Everyone started. It started to create this energy. Like, Matthew McConaughey's here. He's in swim trunks and goggles, and there's not a fucking pool around. And. And then they were like, we're playing basketball. And you're like, I'm playing basketball, too. So you kind of. You started shooting hoops with us in your trunks. And then.
- [45:23]
Matthew McConaughey
I'm starting to remember this.
- [45:24]
Tom Segura
Really? And then I remember, because I tried to get them to find. I go, I remember because this was. This would have been like, 2002 or 3. So it was like, there wasn't, like, social content. But I was like, dude, I saw it in, like, a. You know, like an Inquirer thing. Like, it made it to some. Somebody had taken a photo, and I was like, it's out there. And they looked and they looked and they couldn't find it. But I was like. I remember being. I was. Whatever internship and somebody being like, hey, there's the. There's the photo evidence of your story that we thought you made up. And I was like, no, I'm telling you, I was at the party, and I was like, that's. That's where I met him.
- [46:01]
Matthew McConaughey
I remember this. You went through the little gate, had some steps up.
- [46:04]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [46:04]
Matthew McConaughey
Plateaued out, and there was Thing. Yeah.
- [46:06]
Tom Segura
Yeah. I mean, I would. I would go.
- [46:08]
Matthew McConaughey
I remember that. Yeah, I.
- [46:10]
Bert Kreischer
It's.
- [46:11]
Matthew McConaughey
I remember. I mean, they played some pretty good music. You'd tell the good times, having figured it was time to, you know, if I was already feeling carnated, keep the circus going.
- [46:19]
Tom Segura
Yeah, that was a fun night. It was a fun night, dude. Yeah. I mean, I would go over there with the tennis guy, and they'd be like, yeah, she's a fucking Miss July. And I was like, Jesus Christ. Like, who is this guy? Like, I don't know what he does. It was. The thing is, like, we don't know what he does. It was one of those guys, the. The guy that owned the place. I was like, what do you mean, you don't know what he does? And they're like, yeah, it was. Yeah.
- [46:41]
Matthew McConaughey
I never knew.
- [46:42]
Tom Segura
He drives an armed.
- [46:43]
Matthew McConaughey
I never got.
- [46:44]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [46:45]
Matthew McConaughey
That neighbor.
- [46:46]
Tom Segura
Well, yeah, but an armored car. You're like, okay, he drives an armored car. Yeah. A lot of people don't like him.
- [46:52]
Matthew McConaughey
The tennis. The tennis coach probably knows all this.
- [46:54]
Tom Segura
He knows the scene of the stories. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We met in act. It was an acting class thing. We're like tennis guys in the acting class. Some of the Backstreet Boys. The acting class. Like a very Hollywood acting class experience. Yeah, yeah.
- [47:07]
Bert Kreischer
How much of your book would you want your son to live through? As I read it.
- [47:12]
Matthew McConaughey
Oh, good question, man.
- [47:14]
Bert Kreischer
Thank you.
- [47:15]
Matthew McConaughey
So let me tell you this.
- [47:19]
Bert Kreischer
I can leave now. When are we going to drink tequila? Keep going. Because I don't want him to live. I got really scared for you in Australia. Like, I got really scared for you as a father.
- [47:27]
Tom Segura
Take a repo.
- [47:28]
Bert Kreischer
As a father. I went, oh, my God. That's my. My fear is my kid to study abroad and that to happen. This is very freaky part of that thing. But as I look and I go look at times of Chateau. Yeah, you in the. In native. It was in Canada, but I think Native Americans in Canada.
- [47:44]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [47:45]
Bert Kreischer
Like, all these wild things. You go into Africa. All these things are really cool in hindsight, but as a father of a young man.
- [47:52]
Matthew McConaughey
Thank you.
- [47:53]
Bert Kreischer
How much do you want. How much of this book do you want your son to live through?
- [47:59]
Matthew McConaughey
I mean, I honestly, I. What's. What's in that book? I honestly hope he can live through that much or even more if he wants. There's stories that are not in that book that are the ones that I are the reason I wear a mouth guard at night, because I wake up. Wake up at the exact second where I go back and I remember, and I was like, oh, I almost died right there. None of those. Did I almost die. And so those guys got, you know, a few circumstances that I would not want my son to live through. Those. No, man. I mean, look, there's things I made it through. The beauty of ignorance. God bless ignorance.
- [48:43]
Bert Kreischer
Cheers.
- [48:44]
Matthew McConaughey
Oh, can we. My career, you know. Yes, man.
- [48:48]
Bert Kreischer
Yeah.
- [48:48]
Tom Segura
All right.
- [48:49]
Matthew McConaughey
I gotta reach over 100%. All right. So there's things.
- [48:54]
Bert Kreischer
Oh, that's good.
- [48:55]
Matthew McConaughey
That I survived because I didn't know better, thank goodness. But most of those stories in that book that I went through, I would not go back in my own life and say, oh, if I could get rid of that, I wouldn't have to do it. And I wouldn't. I'd want, you know, it's part of our kids are living a more affluent life than I was. That doesn't mean they don't or can't have the experiences that I had. I don't, it's. I don't want them to fall under prey to any kind of entitlement. And part of not doing that in life is having to be in situations where you have no safety net. And you're like, I've got my own devices, man. How am I going to roll here? How am I getting out? How am I getting what I want? How am I going to survive? How am I not going to go crazy? How am I going to go crazy and out endure the craze? How am I going to go wing it? How am I going to know better? I want, I want my son to be in those situations, you know, And I was in a lot of them, a lot of them. A lot of success. I engineered a lot of it. Didn't engineer at all divine and divine divine intervention. Something I can't, I can't, you know, make the math of.
- [50:18]
Bert Kreischer
But you need that hunger. Like, your son will never sleep on someone's couch for like an extended period because he's. At some point he probably can just go, hey, dad, I'm in la. But like when you're young and you're poor, you go, I out of necessity, can I crash on your couch? There's a vulnerability when you wake up in someone's living room that I feel like makes this man. If that makes sense.
- [50:39]
Matthew McConaughey
Look, you might be right. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna. Sure don't think you're wrong. Do I think that's necessary? No. Do I think, do I try as a father and his mother as well, to not make things harder but to, but to go, no, you gotta earn that. That's not. Hand that to you.
- [51:01]
Tom Segura
It's hard to say.
- [51:02]
Matthew McConaughey
There's initiations and there's rites of passage. You gotta, you gotta skin your knees. If you skin, if you pull it off the first time, bravo. But if you skin your knees a few times on the way, bravo. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not giving you the pass to the door. We like to say, look, you're gonna get access, more access. You're going to get more access with us. I have no problem getting you in a door, right? Once you're in that door, bro, it's on you. So don't embarrass yourself and handle it and show up on the other side. Let's see where the rubber hits the road. So, yeah, they getting access to certain things and say, I did. Sure. But we're making. We're doing our best to make sure they earn it, whatever that is. I don't think you got a proverbial bleed to make it count. Trip yourself running downhill when things are going well, baselant for the hell of it.
- [51:59]
Bert Kreischer
It's a great chapter.
- [51:59]
Matthew McConaughey
You know, I still battle with that. So, you know, confidence to go find out. I don't know. Obviously, you know, I want him to travel. Travel has been my best educator.
- [52:14]
Tom Segura
I think it's the best.
- [52:15]
Matthew McConaughey
Getting lost the best. Getting found, meeting strangers and going like, oh, geez, we are all. Hell, a lot more similar than I thought.
- [52:21]
Bert Kreischer
You travel. You don't vacation. You travel.
- [52:24]
Matthew McConaughey
I'm much better traveler than vacationer.
- [52:26]
Bert Kreischer
Yeah.
- [52:26]
Matthew McConaughey
I've still got to learn how to be. My wife tells me I got to learn how to take a vacation better because I have to either have to write something or break a sweat or do something in the day to go. Cocktail's gonna taste better this afternoon.
- [52:42]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [52:42]
Matthew McConaughey
But if it's. I can only. I'm not as good at handling successive Saturdays. I need to chunk them a little bit of Monday in each day just to go.
- [52:51]
Tom Segura
Yeah, all right.
- [52:52]
Matthew McConaughey
Earn that. There we go.
- [52:53]
Tom Segura
I think it does feel better.
- [52:55]
Matthew McConaughey
Another notch. That's why I love Friday.
- [52:57]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [52:57]
Matthew McConaughey
The best first half business. Second half. 48 hour Runway of Freedom.
- [53:02]
Tom Segura
Yeah, that's true. Did you know that when people watch the trailer for Tiptoes that they think it's a sketch? Do you know that? That no one thinks it's real.
- [53:16]
Matthew McConaughey
They think it's a what?
- [53:17]
Tom Segura
It's an SNL sketch. Did you know that?
- [53:19]
Matthew McConaughey
I did not know that.
- [53:20]
Tom Segura
I've shown that to so many people, and they're like, when the fuck did SNL do this? I'm like, no, this is real, dude.
- [53:29]
Matthew McConaughey
It wasn't quite real, but it was real. It's. It was insane.
- [53:33]
Bert Kreischer
The first time you see it, you're.
- [53:34]
Tom Segura
Like, what the fuck is happening?
- [53:38]
Matthew McConaughey
Like, this is the.
- [53:40]
Bert Kreischer
Have you seen this? I have not seen it.
- [53:41]
Tom Segura
Just play it for, like, 10 seconds. Here, put his hands on. This is one of the craziest things that I've ever seen, and I've enjoyed it so much. Together was perfect, right? You're like, okay, I've got to keep going. Hey, baby.
- [54:02]
Matthew McConaughey
Hey, sweetie. I love you.
- [54:05]
Bert Kreischer
There's one small problem.
- [54:08]
Matthew McConaughey
Hi. I'm Ralph. I'm his brother.
- [54:10]
Tom Segura
We're twins. Are your parents?
- [54:13]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah.
- [54:14]
Bert Kreischer
It can tear them apart.
- [54:16]
Tom Segura
I think you're gonna let me know.
- [54:17]
Matthew McConaughey
That everyone in your family's a midget. They're not midgets, Carol. Dwarfs, whatever. Or bring them together.
- [54:23]
Bert Kreischer
That's Gary Oldman, Patricia Arquette, Peter Dinklage.
- [54:28]
Matthew McConaughey
Take back and tell Bruno what's up.
- [54:31]
Tom Segura
With all these midgets.
- [54:33]
Matthew McConaughey
You could have prepared us for this.
- [54:35]
Tom Segura
Don't you think?
- [54:35]
Matthew McConaughey
If you embarrass me, I'll never speak to you again.
- [54:37]
Bert Kreischer
So just get it together.
- [54:40]
Tom Segura
I think maybe I'm pregnant. Wait.
- [54:46]
Matthew McConaughey
This trailer is so good. I've never seen the trailer. This is so good. You knocked out this great girl when you didn't tell her that her baby probably got to be little. I'm not like you. Don't discriminate against us. He said these parties got a little wild.
- [54:59]
Tom Segura
I never expected this. There's sure a lot of midgets around here.
- [55:02]
Matthew McConaughey
You better back off, Goldie Hawks. My man can do what he wants to do.
- [55:08]
Tom Segura
I'm ready for an adult relationship. What is this man doing in your bedroom? This is chaos. A walk down the aisle.
- [55:21]
Bert Kreischer
He's a very lucky guy.
- [55:23]
Matthew McConaughey
Just hope he's smart enough not to screw it up.
- [55:26]
Tom Segura
Is just a beginning.
- [55:27]
Matthew McConaughey
They'll be rough patches. There's no doubt about it. Canal Huss and Langley Productions proudly present.
- [55:34]
Bert Kreischer
Command performances from Kate Beckinsale, Matthew McConaughey.
- [55:38]
Matthew McConaughey
Just get really serious. Patricia Arquette.
- [55:40]
Bert Kreischer
And in the role of a lifetime, Roll Goldman.
- [55:47]
Matthew McConaughey
Tiptoes.
- [55:48]
Tom Segura
Come on.
- [55:50]
Matthew McConaughey
What the fuck?
- [55:51]
Bert Kreischer
That's real.
- [55:52]
Matthew McConaughey
That's so good. I've never seen that trailer.
- [55:57]
Bert Kreischer
You shot that movie.
- [55:58]
Matthew McConaughey
Yes. Real production. Real production. Day showed up to work.
- [56:01]
Tom Segura
No one thinks that's real.
- [56:03]
Matthew McConaughey
It doesn't look real. It doesn't look real. But damn, that's a good trailer. That goes for it.
- [56:09]
Tom Segura
And the.
- [56:09]
Bert Kreischer
Also it would sell hard as fuck right now.
- [56:11]
Tom Segura
The reason too that, like what takes you over of like this is the VO guy goes tiptoes. Like it's not a real VO guy.
- [56:20]
Matthew McConaughey
The second half dropped into serious.
- [56:23]
Tom Segura
Which is like. Which is the best on a sketch is when you go now go real grounded on this fucking madness that we. And there's like people being thrown and fighting. My fucking phone just woke up.
- [56:36]
Bert Kreischer
I love that you're also Jewish.
- [56:37]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [56:40]
Bert Kreischer
The world.
- [56:41]
Matthew McConaughey
And I have the. I have the dwarf gene in me.
- [56:44]
Bert Kreischer
Yeah.
- [56:45]
Matthew McConaughey
So if you have children like Kate and I in the films. Husband procreate. Good chance.
- [56:52]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [56:53]
Matthew McConaughey
And she doesn't Know I'm the biggie.
- [56:55]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [56:55]
Matthew McConaughey
Family.
- [56:56]
Bert Kreischer
Okay.
- [56:57]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [56:57]
Matthew McConaughey
I'm actually what we called. There's a chair where they go to the house. There's like one big chair. Like, oh, no, that's his. He's the biggie. It's. It's. It's absurd.
- [57:05]
Tom Segura
And Gary Oldman, who's.
- [57:07]
Matthew McConaughey
Roll of a roll of a lifetime.
- [57:09]
Tom Segura
The balls of the VO Guy to.
- [57:11]
Matthew McConaughey
Call that role of a lifetime. He's.
- [57:15]
Tom Segura
It's so great, dude.
- [57:17]
Bert Kreischer
So is he just sitting inside the couch and they have baby legs attached to him?
- [57:21]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah, I think he's sitting on his. I think he's sitting on his knees, heels back. And then you had the. Or. Or he had that. Just the green. You wear the green sort of back screen where they remove it and post and put there. But I don't know how much money.
- [57:37]
Tom Segura
To remove during this production.
- [57:40]
Matthew McConaughey
You guys are like, straight faceness.
- [57:42]
Tom Segura
Yeah. And you guys think it's a. You're not playing it. Like, yeah, this is a really good story. I mean, this is a. Yeah, yeah.
- [57:47]
Matthew McConaughey
No, we're playing it. Look, it was obviously a wild concept. Yeah. Talent. It drew. The talent is it was anarchic. It still had some heart to it, which maybe I think of the script felt less sentimental than that did. We knew it was a soap opera, but it felt like, so corny for that word to come out. It felt so corny. Like, this is wild. And Matthew Bright, writer, director, was a good writer. Had come up with the concept. And I just was like, this is bringing together two worlds of high comedy. But if we straight face this, it can be really funny. And also mine actually make you drop a tear.
- [58:26]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [58:27]
Matthew McConaughey
It's half of that trailer pushes that direction.
- [58:31]
Tom Segura
I've shown 100 people that trailer.
- [58:32]
Matthew McConaughey
I've never seen the trailer, by the way. By the way.
- [58:34]
Bert Kreischer
I'd like to commit to that Writer and director. Tom and I will do any movie you want to do sight unseen, and we'll also pay for it.
- [58:40]
Tom Segura
There you go.
- [58:40]
Bert Kreischer
But it's got to be as good as that trailer.
- [58:43]
Tom Segura
That trailer's something else.
- [58:44]
Matthew McConaughey
That trailer is really good. Thank you for showing me that. That trailer is really good.
- [58:48]
Tom Segura
When you think of one of my favorite things in Hollywood, stories from people who have done a lot like you is when people talk about roles, they turn down. Do you have any where you like roles where you're like, I turned that shit down. And it becomes a.
- [59:04]
Matthew McConaughey
Like a regret or. You know what? Biggest. Damn it for me was probably right. As we finished Time to Kill he just moved on. LA Confidential director. Good director. Anyway, excuse me. He's. We had a meeting and he'd come down and he'd off the role. I don't remember if it was the Guy Pierce role or the Curtis Hansen. Curtis Hansen. Thank you. Curtis Hansen came down and it offered me a role in that. And I love that movie. I think it's a great movie. And I said, no. Now, mind you, at that time, people were asking me what I wanted to do. I'm like, things are starting to come in an onslaught. I'm like, had. It was hard for me to sit down and read a script and go, no, this is really good. And I know why I'm right. Everything. I was just coming from, like, I'll do whatever I can do. You're getting great stuff and it's coming and I'm supposed to be. And I'm getting asked, well, which one of the great stuff do you want to do? I'm like, right about this a lot in the book. I'm going, yesterday, that could never change. None of these were even on the table. And now you're telling me which one of these you want to do. That's why I packed up and got the hell out of Dodge, Went to Peru or. But that. That's a movie that I love, that I would love to be a part of and I love that movie. There is a. There's always been a rumor that I think James Cameron started he. And I've had a few laughs about this, that I got offered and turned down the role in Titanic. Mm. That did not happen.
- [60:40]
Tom Segura
That did not happen.
- [60:40]
Matthew McConaughey
I did not get offered. And as I've said to this day, if I did, I gotta find that agent.
- [60:44]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [60:44]
Matthew McConaughey
Because they bogey. No, I did read for it. I was there at the end. Or Kate Winslet and I read. It was a good read. I walked out of there thinking that I may have had it, but I never got the offer. So other than that. Not really. Other than LA Confidential, which was early on in 96ish. I don't what movies I see that. I'm like, ah, oh, that's good. That would have been fun.
- [61:08]
Tom Segura
That would have been fun. Yeah.
- [61:09]
Matthew McConaughey
But I didn't. But none that. I'm like, I can't believe I blew it.
- [61:13]
Tom Segura
Okay.
- [61:14]
Matthew McConaughey
I bogeyed that one or I blew that one. Or I didn't see that.
- [61:17]
Tom Segura
You did something super ballsy. I think it, like, it's very rare that somebody can do this, which is you willfully took yourself out of Public Eye and Hollywood for almost two years.
- [61:30]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah.
- [61:30]
Tom Segura
So it's a really ballsy thing. I mean, most people, I think if you're voluntarily doing that in this job, they go, are you crazy? Why would you do that? But you're doing it because you want to figure out who you are more, and then you get to basically reinvent yourself because of that. But it's accompanied by some fear, too, right?
- [61:54]
Matthew McConaughey
Oh, yeah.
- [61:55]
Tom Segura
Okay.
- [61:55]
Matthew McConaughey
Oh, hell yeah.
- [61:56]
Tom Segura
A lot of fear. Because I feel like we've even, like, we know people who, you know, disappear sometimes, but. And it's something. I mean, you could make the case that's for maybe some of the same reasons. But I think the thing that makes it different about yours is that you're at such a level and choosing to do that, like, you could have just been like, another movie, another big paycheck. Another movie, another movie, another movie. So you must have felt this turmoil to make that choice, right?
- [62:27]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah, it was the. It was the. I kept having the 3am turmoil, unable to sleep. Oh, I remember. I remember having this line. I was like, no, man, I'm not. I feel like I'm just an entertainer. I'm not an actor. And I remember my great mentor going, well, first of all, what the fuck's wrong with being an entertainer? It was a great question. Like, what are you? Are you boohooing that? I was like, oh, you're right. It's not that. Just something else is eating at me, man. I. And again, my life was wildly full at that time. Fall in love with Camilla. She's pregnant with her first child. All I ever wanted to be is a dad. And I got one coming, man. I mean, I'm vital, bro. My head and loins and heart and gut are all in sync. My bets, I'm tripling down on them, and they're, like, winning. But in my career, I'm going back and doing this thing, romantic comedies that I'd owned that lane at that time, and they were fun and they paid well. But I'm like, they feel like more different in a wrong kind of vacation from my life. It's like I needed more resistance. I need. In real life, I'm dealing with great drama, great comedy and work I'm dealing with. Yep, step right up. I can knock this out. I can do this tomorrow. Fine. Am I not. Can I dig deeper to find a different. No, these. These things, these rom coms have a certain frequency you need to be on. You need to bounce from cloud to cloud to cloud. If you drop the anchor you, you can sink them. Yeah, no, don't go there. And that frequency that those were were just not getting me off. I did, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I would, didn't feel like I was having an experience.
- [64:08]
Tom Segura
Could you get a role that would have been fulfilling at that time? Like, could you have been like, well I want to do this thing right. And. And they've been like, sure. They'd be like, no, we don't want you to do that.
- [64:20]
Matthew McConaughey
No, they bro, they let me know, bro, stay in your lane, stay over there.
- [64:23]
Tom Segura
Really?
- [64:23]
Matthew McConaughey
I'd already done a couple tried where if they were in more the dramatic side or outside of romantic comedy genre, the pay took a major pay cut and then those didn't even, they didn't do well box office wise. So they weren't going, please do this again whether you did well or not. And Chops just, you're, you're leading the charge over here on rom coms and you're done. You're nailing them. They cost us 35. They're coming back at 60. We're making good money and yeah, you're good in them and the people like them. So just do that. Nothing wrong with that. Yeah. And loved it. I needed some resistance. I need. So I self imposed after many long talks, many late nights, many tears, many prayers, made a pact with my wife who she's great, she's a real baller this way. She was like, okay, I see what this means to you, but do you understand if we're going to do this again, it's going to get rocky and there's no going back. It's committed. I was like, yeah, we have to commit, commit the whole way. No flinching, no two stepping, no going, stepping out. Oh, I think I'll come back. Right. Days are going to get long. She knows me. That bottle's going to look better earlier in the day. I know you need to accomplish for significance. We're going to have to trust this. And I was like, trust it. No matter how long ago she goes, it could be dry for a while. And it was, it was dry for a long time. And all those things did happen. The fact that I've got the looking forward to a son coming. The fact that I'm bored out of my mind, which is a great thing to be. Cause you gotta work some tools and your nugget that you don't have to work when everything's right there for you. The fact that I'm not on the beach in Malibu shirtless and my Daily life there looks like turn the page into the romantic comedy that you go see in the theater the next night. They were kind of merged into one at that point. When I removed myself. The fact that I was back home, the fact that we had a family, not tragedy, but a big crisis in my family that I needed to tend to, that sobers you up. You know what I mean? Where you get like that? I had things that I knew were more ultimately, existentially more important than my acting career. Kind of put that on the side. Go along. Got tempted with the $8 million off that turned into a $14.5 million offer. As I talk about, you know, not two stepping, as I said, did I two step enough to say when it got to 14.5? Let me read that summit again. Yes, I did. I ain't that pure. Right. Still said no, though.
- [67:12]
Bert Kreischer
Yeah.
- [67:12]
Matthew McConaughey
All right. The fact that saying no to that. Do I believe that Sent a little invisible lightning boat through Hollywood going, this fucker's not bluffing.
- [67:20]
Tom Segura
Yeah, he's serious.
- [67:21]
Matthew McConaughey
Who turns that shit down? What's he up to? Someone does that, you know, a girl in a relationship, whatever, you're like, what are they up? Can kind of become more attractive.
- [67:32]
Bert Kreischer
Yeah.
- [67:32]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [67:33]
Matthew McConaughey
Novel. What are they up to? They got something going on. They're not just. They didn't just step out and waft. They're on a line of something where they're. Where they're going or what they're holding out for. And that's what I was doing. It was kind of on the picket line. I was kind of holding out.
- [67:48]
Tom Segura
And what was the first one like?
- [67:50]
Matthew McConaughey
I think it was Lincoln Lawyer and.
- [67:52]
Tom Segura
And. And that was a big success.
- [67:54]
Matthew McConaughey
That worked out really good.
- [67:55]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [67:55]
Matthew McConaughey
It was Killer Joe, and then it was Paper Boy.
- [67:59]
Bert Kreischer
And then Mud.
- [68:00]
Matthew McConaughey
Mud came. No, Mud came.
- [68:02]
Tom Segura
Do you know another thing we named Ellis? Ellis from Mud.
- [68:06]
Bert Kreischer
Are you serious?
- [68:07]
Matthew McConaughey
Oh, yeah.
- [68:07]
Tom Segura
Yeah. My first. My first son's name is Ellis.
- [68:09]
Matthew McConaughey
Right on.
- [68:10]
Tom Segura
We were watching that movie while my wife was pregnant, and we, you know, it was one of the movies. We didn't know. We probably don't know anything about it. Yeah. And who's like this sweet little kid, and it was like a real Southern way of like, Alias, like, you know, and we were. And then we were. When it came time to name him, we were like. We both were like, I love that name. Ellis was from Mud.
- [68:30]
Matthew McConaughey
It's my favorite movie I've done. Really?
- [68:32]
Tom Segura
It's a really beautiful movie.
- [68:33]
Matthew McConaughey
It's a beautiful movie. It's the movie that my dad when I was 12, would have come to me and said, hey, buddy, you seen this movie, bud? And I'd have gone, no, sir. He'd gone, oh, we gotta watch together. It's a good one.
- [68:45]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [68:45]
Matthew McConaughey
And I have it real. Plus that the tree house that I built as a kid that's in that book was my boat in a tree that was in mud. The fantasy, the magic reality of Through a child's eyes. And then the Aristocrat of the heart, the love story that mud has with Jupiter Juniper.
- [69:05]
Tom Segura
Yeah, it's really cool. It's a really cool movie.
- [69:08]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah.
- [69:08]
Bert Kreischer
When I read your book. Sometimes when people write books, they're little things that I can't stop noticing. You love ketchup.
- [69:17]
Matthew McConaughey
I love ketchup. I put ketchup on my ketchup.
- [69:19]
Bert Kreischer
You. I. And I love ketchup like I only me love to eat ketchup.
- [69:23]
Matthew McConaughey
Right. I think I fell in love with ketchup first.
- [69:27]
Bert Kreischer
Yeah.
- [69:28]
Matthew McConaughey
I mean, with the ketchup.
- [69:31]
Bert Kreischer
I had to. I had to grow to love ketchup. And then once I realized what it was doing to me, I went, wow, you're expanding my horizons. I didn't know that I could enjoy salt and sweet at the same time all in one.
- [69:43]
Matthew McConaughey
And let's admit it. Can we say it online? Can we say Hines got the monopoly on the fucking. It's the Del Monte out of here, guys.
- [69:50]
Bert Kreischer
I don't need the fucking antibiotic.
- [69:52]
Matthew McConaughey
No, no, no.
- [69:53]
Bert Kreischer
I want the fucking Hines with the.
- [69:55]
Matthew McConaughey
Come on.
- [69:56]
Bert Kreischer
What's the craziest thing you put ketchup on?
- [69:59]
Matthew McConaughey
What have I not put ketchup on? I mean, scrambled eggs is not crazy.
- [70:06]
Bert Kreischer
It makes scrambled eggs. It makes scrambled eggs. Guy Fieri would like fucking ketchup with eggs with ketchup on them.
- [70:12]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah. So, I mean, I put it on. I put it on. We had one throw up vegetable in our household, where you had one vegetable you didn't have to eat. And mine was boiled squash. Mama boiled everything. She was not a good cook. Ma. An area out there. 92. You were not a good cook. You boiled squash. And that's how I got. But you had to eat it. Yeah, no, that was the one. I'm sorry. The one I didn't have to eat. But then you had to eat everything else. So. The boiled okra, nobody in the family liked it. But, man, that's where a ketchup became my friend. Cause I gotta drown that shit. And I remember sitting there in our family, if you didn't finish it, you finally had to go to bed at dinnertime, and then the next morning it was on the breakfast plate.
- [70:47]
Tom Segura
Oh, wow.
- [70:48]
Matthew McConaughey
And if you were late for school, you got the demerit. Then it just went back to sort of structure. So now what's your punishment for being late for school? So you're like, oh, man. Ketchup was my friend. Get over things, to swallow things and also just to. And it's where the ketchup is. I love ketchup on a burger. But what's the. It's best to dip it. So the ketchup's the first thing to hit the palate.
- [71:09]
Bert Kreischer
You don't. You don't want the. If you put the ketchup on top of the burger, it falls off the sides, Right. You want to dip it so that it's walking.
- [71:15]
Matthew McConaughey
It is the.
- [71:16]
Bert Kreischer
It is the pimp walking the prostitutes into the party.
- [71:19]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah. And he's getting. There's a whole bunch behind him, but he does the intro.
- [71:22]
Bert Kreischer
Dude, Black Eyed peas. I cannot eat black eyed peas with ketchup. I love them. I'll tell you. I'm going to tell you one even further. If I'm drinking in the morning at an airport and I don't feel like drinking, but I have to, because I got to get on the plane. I'll take ketchup, smear it on my hand, let it dry, and then just slowly, just.
- [71:39]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah, get down. Like on the flight later. Just give it a lick.
- [71:43]
Bert Kreischer
Just a little.
- [71:44]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah, Just to. To have a buddy there.
- [71:46]
Bert Kreischer
Just a reminder to have a treat.
- [71:48]
Matthew McConaughey
Just have a friend right there. Yeah, that's good, man.
- [71:52]
Bert Kreischer
I'm never gonna eat ketchup and not think about you.
- [71:54]
Matthew McConaughey
Next time I have ketchup, I'm gonna not be able to not think about you licking on your hand.
- [72:00]
Bert Kreischer
Little K bump.
- [72:01]
Matthew McConaughey
I like that. Excuse me. Let me take a hit.
- [72:07]
Bert Kreischer
Who doesn't like you? I mean, you're like the coolest dude in the world.
- [72:12]
Matthew McConaughey
Ketchup.
- [72:13]
Tom Segura
And he loves ketchup, man.
- [72:14]
Bert Kreischer
Buddy.
- [72:15]
Matthew McConaughey
Actually, Marcus Styles made me a T shirt. Red T shirt and white writing, and said, I put ketchup on my ketchup. Yeah. Hein's the one. Viva la ketchup.
- [72:24]
Tom Segura
Everyone's people have tried to compete, right? There's so many people. I think it was Malcolm Gladwell that wrote a whole essay about this, about how there's this really competitive space for ketchup. But it doesn't fucking matter because Heinz just dominates.
- [72:42]
Matthew McConaughey
Like, dominates.
- [72:43]
Tom Segura
There's like 50 other brands.
- [72:45]
Matthew McConaughey
I don't even know them.
- [72:46]
Tom Segura
No one does. No One.
- [72:47]
Matthew McConaughey
This is how we busted my mom. Mom would always save money. All right, let's go to peanut butter. Peter Pan was the one.
- [72:57]
Bert Kreischer
Yeah.
- [72:57]
Matthew McConaughey
For me, right. Heinz ketchup. She. We'd finish, and we'd come back to dinner, and all of a sudden, you. Next night, you'd be at the end the night before, and the next night before, you pour it. Just pour hot water. You're like, oh, this is. Yes, it is. And I'm like, no, it's not.
- [73:13]
Tom Segura
She did what, like a cheap diner? Does she put.
- [73:16]
Matthew McConaughey
Put the fake straight tomato soup in there? Whatever. Or demonic. And she did the same thing with. With peanut butter for a while. We're like, this is not Peter Pan. This is your. Your local.
- [73:28]
Tom Segura
Yeah. You know, knock off.
- [73:30]
Matthew McConaughey
And we. Buster every time on it.
- [73:32]
Tom Segura
My favorite thing that is. I don't like A one sauce on steak. I like it without anything. But I love A one sauce on rice, like when the rice sucks up a one. That's my.
- [73:43]
Matthew McConaughey
I bet you like. It's the Jamaican prickly. Prickly. What's that? Jamaican. It's a dark sauce, like A one. It's Jamaican. Pick a pepper.
- [73:53]
Tom Segura
You like.
- [73:53]
Bert Kreischer
Pick a pepper.
- [73:54]
Matthew McConaughey
I don't think I do you like A one. You probably like pickle pepper. Turn them on to pick a pepper. Try.
- [73:59]
Bert Kreischer
Pick a pepper. Yeah. Give me another tequila. Hey, I also like mustards. I'm a big mustard guy, but I'm really Asian mustards. I like really, really on my knee, my nose, to feel it.
- [74:09]
Tom Segura
I like hot mustard.
- [74:10]
Matthew McConaughey
Asian. I like more than that English mustard. We have that tight, tight, tight, little white little teeth.
- [74:16]
Bert Kreischer
Coleman's is like the best English mustards. But Asian mustards are stronger than English mustards.
- [74:21]
Matthew McConaughey
Where's Asian mustards between English mustards and wasabi?
- [74:25]
Bert Kreischer
Closer to wasabi.
- [74:26]
Tom Segura
Closer. And like, Chinese, specifically, the Chinese mustard sauce is one of my. Because that has.
- [74:31]
Matthew McConaughey
All right. Yeah.
- [74:34]
Tom Segura
You're like, am I fucking breathing through my eyes? Yeah, it opens everything up. I like Chinese mustard.
- [74:39]
Matthew McConaughey
I've been using wasabi pretty liberally.
- [74:41]
Tom Segura
I do, too.
- [74:41]
Matthew McConaughey
I like wasabi to mix up even with a tuna fish salad. I love. I'm a tuna fish salad master maker.
- [74:47]
Tom Segura
Really?
- [74:47]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah. Every Sunday night, clean out the fridge, moshito style. Gonna make a badass tuna fish.
- [74:51]
Bert Kreischer
So do you put. So when. Explain your tuna fish, Jimmy, because my wife's a redneck, and so she has pickle jalapenos. Candied jalapenos in her tuna fish.
- [75:00]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah.
- [75:01]
Bert Kreischer
Okay, wait, I want to hear yours.
- [75:04]
Matthew McConaughey
Well, it's a Long list of all kinds of things. I mean, okay, celery. It starts with the base. You get you good tuna.
- [75:11]
Bert Kreischer
Yeah.
- [75:13]
Matthew McConaughey
Next you gotta watch how much lemon and vinegar you add. Cause if you add the mayo mixed with wasabi and a little. Shut the fuck up.
- [75:21]
Bert Kreischer
I didn't even think about putting wasabi into my fucking tuna fish.
- [75:24]
Matthew McConaughey
Whip it up a little light green. Get that in there on the tuna and. Cause if you put. Whatever you put on the tuna first is gonna soak it up.
- [75:33]
Bert Kreischer
You're blowing my mind right now. What? You're blowing my mind. It's like the first time someone told me how to finger someone and I didn't know that you weren't just supposed to stick it in and leave it there. And I go, oh, yeah, it would make sense to move it around. You're telling me tuna fish. It is like tuna fish. If I would get high end tuna, of course I'd put wasabi on it. Why wouldn't I put it on my tuna fish?
- [75:50]
Tom Segura
No, it's a good idea.
- [75:51]
Matthew McConaughey
Right.
- [75:52]
Bert Kreischer
So this interview up, we should be talking about this whole time.
- [75:55]
Matthew McConaughey
Get a base.
- [75:56]
Bert Kreischer
Yeah.
- [75:56]
Matthew McConaughey
And then all the rest of the stuff from the chopped red onions or the dill pickles. Gherkin. I'll finally taste the dill pickle gherkins. There's a jalapeno product now that they. It's, it's, it's. It's been seared in hot oil, so it's crispy jalapeno chips to give it a little crunch. I come in with to balance that out. At the end, I do go. I'll go with some apple for some sweetness, a touch of agave to balance out that wasabi here. And at the end I do go, man, I always have corn in there. Always got corn. Really? Oh, yeah.
- [76:32]
Tom Segura
Oh, yeah.
- [76:33]
Matthew McConaughey
And then at the end I'll go, some frozen green peas. And then, as you know, as every redneck knows, is it better right then or is it better covered after you put it in the fridge the next day? It's all coagulated. All the tastes are right. You're sitting there now. I've hit the home run. So it sat in there.
- [76:55]
Tom Segura
It's marinating, basically. Yeah, yeah. Now, do you add any ketchup?
- [76:59]
Bert Kreischer
Oh, yeah, he did.
- [77:01]
Matthew McConaughey
Well, then I pull out extra pickles because I love to dip my pickle, take a bite of tuna, bite the pickle with the Heinz ketchup on the end of the pickle.
- [77:08]
Bert Kreischer
The day after A Time to Kill, you went to the promenade and you had a tuna fish sandwich with ketchup on it. And all I heard was, I gotta try ketchup on a tuna fish sandwich. That's all I heard.
- [77:18]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah, man.
- [77:19]
Bert Kreischer
Okay, real quick, steak. What cut do you eat?
- [77:23]
Matthew McConaughey
1&5 8th inch American Wagyu ribeye.
- [77:26]
Bert Kreischer
Oh, yeah.
- [77:27]
Matthew McConaughey
Ribeye's the steak. Ribeye's the steak.
- [77:29]
Bert Kreischer
Ribeye's the steak.
- [77:29]
Matthew McConaughey
Admit it or not. For not talking about, oh, I want to eat lean. I know I have my elk.
- [77:34]
Tom Segura
I do feel like you have it.
- [77:36]
Matthew McConaughey
Cooked well the different ways. So I go 1 and 5 8th inch, which means it's a big thick piece of meat, which means I don't take it to the oven, never bake it to get the middle cooked. I do like to sear it. I either go on the grill.
- [77:52]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [77:52]
Matthew McConaughey
I mean, if I can get that green egg to sit there and hold at 455.
- [77:56]
Bert Kreischer
So to.
- [77:57]
Matthew McConaughey
Then I'm. Then I'm enclose that thing and trust it. Beautiful.
- [78:00]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [78:01]
Matthew McConaughey
Other times where we're just inside and I'm. Time for that. I'm a big 16 inch black skillet. Oil, butter, cast iron. Cast iron. Get that baby height and sear that and flip some oil and butter on top of that thing. Because I just learned this. That that butter doesn't brown if you put it in early with the oil. And then obviously that old trick that everyone. Everyone forgets. Let that some bit sit for as long as you cooked it.
- [78:25]
Tom Segura
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [78:26]
Matthew McConaughey
Because it's got to settle.
- [78:27]
Tom Segura
Yeah. And all Genesis kind of go absorb it back in.
- [78:31]
Matthew McConaughey
And also, you can't. Do y'all know this one? This may be obvious, but it's the cook it at room temperature. You can't pull it out of the fridge. You can pull it right out of the fridge.
- [78:38]
Tom Segura
Yeah. No, no, you got to let it.
- [78:40]
Matthew McConaughey
You gotta let it sit back to room. Get to room temperature.
- [78:42]
Tom Segura
That's a good one.
- [78:42]
Matthew McConaughey
And all those pores open up. So 1 and 5 8th inch American.
- [78:45]
Tom Segura
Wagyu ribeye as the Austin guy. Like the OG Austin guy. Favorite barbecue spot.
- [78:53]
Matthew McConaughey
Geez, right? That's like a religion around here. I mean, look, man, I've never tasted any brisket I like better than Franklin's. I told her. Have you had the steak over at Lambert's?
- [79:05]
Tom Segura
No.
- [79:05]
Bert Kreischer
Don't be doing that tonight.
- [79:06]
Matthew McConaughey
Satin. Dirty little brown sugar top. Son of a bitch. Oh, it's a dirty little dog. It's good. Yeah. The rib eye over there tastes make you want to go.
- [79:17]
Bert Kreischer
Peter, please get us reservations for tonight.
- [79:19]
Matthew McConaughey
And they're not afraid of salt. No, me either. I'm on blood pressure medicine. I mean, come on.
- [79:27]
Bert Kreischer
It's.
- [79:27]
Matthew McConaughey
It's. It's serious. Like the barbecue I've had. I mean, there's so much. Yeah.
- [79:34]
Tom Segura
It's so good.
- [79:35]
Matthew McConaughey
I'm not a. I'm not a barbecue nerd. I'm not. It's not. I'm not religious about it.
- [79:39]
Tom Segura
Right.
- [79:39]
Matthew McConaughey
I've had great barbecue in many places. But look. Franklin's brisket. What he figured out. Yes.
- [79:44]
Tom Segura
It's incredible.
- [79:45]
Matthew McConaughey
Walk away.
- [79:46]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [79:46]
Matthew McConaughey
Drop your mic. That Opie's Jalapeno cream corn with the jalapeno sausage. Take the chunk of sausage that fork it, dunk it in the Opie's cream of corn jalapeno, then eat it. That's one of the top three bites I've ever had in my life.
- [80:07]
Tom Segura
Oh, these are good wrecks, man. Good wrecks.
- [80:10]
Bert Kreischer
I'm drinking your tequila tomorrow morning.
- [80:12]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah, man. Saturday morning.
- [80:13]
Tom Segura
Hey, that's.
- [80:14]
Matthew McConaughey
I am too.
- [80:14]
Tom Segura
You want to try our vodka? Vodka. Hey, can we bring another glass?
- [80:19]
Bert Kreischer
We launched this vodka. I love you. And your wife did the smartest thing for Halloween. You both dressed up for the bears.
- [80:27]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah, bears.
- [80:29]
Bert Kreischer
Bears.
- [80:29]
Matthew McConaughey
The bears.
- [80:30]
Bert Kreischer
Two bears. The. You guys dressed up as bottles of your tequila for Halloween. I thought that was so cool. I was like, God damn it.
- [80:37]
Matthew McConaughey
Here's the inspiration that was in my dad. I pulled up, was going through some old scrapbooks, and there was a picture of my. My mom and dad at Halloween. And they had taken these. She was in, like, glad trash bags taped up, and it said, M M's with tape on it, plain. And he love your parents. M M's with knives.
- [81:07]
Bert Kreischer
I love your parents. What percentage of your dad are you? And what percentage of your mom are you? Out of a. Oh, wow. Because I feel like.
- [81:18]
Matthew McConaughey
I don't know.
- [81:19]
Bert Kreischer
I feel like we all think you're your dad. I kind of.
- [81:22]
Matthew McConaughey
After reading your book, more my mom than I. Than I. Than I realize. And that's a happy trail for me to recognize and learn along the way. Look, my mom. I'm still aspiring to understand and be some things that she is. My mom is like real grade A proof in the value of denial if you truly commit to it. And she commits to it. Not intellectually talks herself into it and then commits it. No. Bam. That's what. I don't have cancer, Mom. You do. No, I don't. She's not doing an intellectual trick. I do not. Okay, well, then would you take this pill anyway? Okay, but I don't have it. Life. I don't like you. I don't like. Whatever. You don't like someone? Nope. Boom. Out of my life. Mom. I mean, do you want to let them down easy? No. Why do I want to waste any time? No, not for me. I didn't. But she does. I mean, I don't know if I wrote about it. I've shared this many times. I went to this. The way her ability to forgive herself or actually not even feel guilty about anything in the first place to forgive herself about is amazing. And this is not a shallow woman. This is a woman who 92. Mom, what's the secret? Well, I can't imagine not being here. Walk off. Okay. And she. It's not a line, it's not a Hallmark card. It's not an intellectual choice she's making to say, oh, I want to think positively. She's beyond that to where it's a full on capacity. That's her identity. Yes is her favorite word.
- [83:08]
Bert Kreischer
I really respect this out of your mom because there is a thing. It's like, yeah, why do I have to subscribe by everyone else's rules? I'll just live my own life. And the ability to forgive herself is fascinating. I wish I had that, dude.
- [83:18]
Matthew McConaughey
I went to her because she pulls wild ass stunts. Wild stunts. My brother's playing golf one day after my father passed away and the four older men on the other T did on the other fairway like, hey, congratulations, Pat. Congratulations on you and your mom and C.J. getting Jack getting married. My brother's like, what? I didn't get married. Like, oh, no. Yeah. Anyway, sorry, you tell them they're not. Mom, what'd you do? What are you talking about? Mom, what'd you do? What'd she say here about you and Jack getting married? Oh, that. Mom, what'd you do? Well, first I didn't think you'd find out, but here's what we did. Look, the country Club dues are $400 a month if you're just together. But they're only 250amonth if you're married. So we just told them we were married. Mom, come on. And she'll, she'll cry, say I'm sorry, and then boom, forget about it. To save 150 bucks to told everybody at the country club that they were married. To save $150 a month. Just like badass like that.
- [84:27]
Bert Kreischer
Yeah.
- [84:27]
Matthew McConaughey
And then he'll sit there and cry, say, I'm sorry. Like I said, not a shallow woman. At all, but just bam.
- [84:32]
Bert Kreischer
So what part of you is your dad I identify? Triceps. I just said that to the boys outside.
- [84:39]
Matthew McConaughey
Triceps.
- [84:40]
Bert Kreischer
Explain what your dad said. You were flexing.
- [84:42]
Matthew McConaughey
That's for show. Makes all the girls scream. Gets you on tv. That's for dough. Puts the roof over our head, food on the plate, takes care of business. It's a work muscle. Work ethic. Was a big thing to him. Don't half ass it. If you're gonna do it, man, do it. And if you can't, don't say can't. If you're having trouble, ask for help. But don't sit there and say, I can't, because there's a solution.
- [85:11]
Tom Segura
That's a good lesson.
- [85:12]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah.
- [85:13]
Bert Kreischer
His dad, your dad, his dad, our dad. We have. We all have the same dads, all had the same dads. And I think we all look at our dads the exact same way. I saying this, Tommy, earlier to our dads.
- [85:24]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah, to dads, man. Hey, and to Morgon's out there, because there's no. No better. You got kids.
- [85:30]
Bert Kreischer
2.
- [85:30]
Matthew McConaughey
And you got kids, dude. This is if more of dads, the dads out there united in the toast here and say, can we be as good of a dad as we can be good of a father? This whole plan is gonna be looking good for all of us, man. A lot better than that.
- [85:48]
Bert Kreischer
O. What do you think?
- [85:51]
Matthew McConaughey
Oh, that's nice and easy.
- [85:53]
Bert Kreischer
It's vodka.
- [85:54]
Matthew McConaughey
Little. I don't drink much vodka.
- [85:56]
Bert Kreischer
Not a lot of men do, but.
- [85:58]
Matthew McConaughey
A little on the little back side kind of opens up.
- [86:01]
Bert Kreischer
Yeah. Let me tell you why I drink, why we created a vodka. This is when I started drinking vodka. I was sitting on a plane next to a gorgeous man. Beautiful man, jawbones, everything. The cheekbones. It was early, and I said, I'll take a Heineken from the flight attendant. He said, I think I might drink too. I'm gonna get a double Tito's and soda. I said, vodka? He goes, it's in my contract. I said, contract. He goes, I'm a male model. It's the only thing I'm allowed to drink. It doesn't blow to. It keeps you healthy. And I went, hmm. I said, nix that Heineken. I think I'll take a double Tito and soda. And I've been a vodka drinker now for 15 years.
- [86:37]
Tom Segura
And look at you.
- [86:38]
Matthew McConaughey
It's in his contract. I walked in, he was doing a Speedo shoot. It's in his contract.
- [86:42]
Bert Kreischer
It's in my contract.
- [86:43]
Tom Segura
It's in the contract.
- [86:44]
Bert Kreischer
Although this tequila is phenomenal. And it's. And I'm telling you, man, you guys, I say marketing, but your representation of it, I think. I don't think you're a marketing guy. I think you're just, this is what I do. This is what I'm into. Has just been so genuine and authentic. And it's like, out of all these tequilas that you've seen show up the rock or whatever, I go, I don't know. For some reason, I want to drink what he drinks.
- [87:05]
Matthew McConaughey
Well, let me ask you this, because, look, we got. You know, you can sell snake oil with a good marketing campaign. You can get away with shit. You can put lipstick on the donkey and call it a thoroughbred. And people will go. They'll go, bet on it in the race. But we didn't want it. We said, look, let's make some real good fucking juice first. We're serious about it. Tequila. Let's make some really good juice first. Let's be formal about that process, which took two years and 47 tasters. But once we got that, we said, boom, circus. Now let's have some freaking fun. People have been talking real snooty up, nosy about tequila for a long time now. Let's have some fun. Panthalon is great name. Oh, I can run with that. Oh, what can you do with your pants off? Pixels will be our friend. The pixels that cover in our midsections are our joke. And they're a running joke. They're like the beep, Mother beeper. They're like the beep. You laugh. I think they cussed right there. Ah. I think they're naked under there. And we can run with that forever. I also think, though, and ask me this curious if I'm over giving this too much justice. Do you think it would have worked if I'd have been with anyone other than my wife?
- [88:07]
Bert Kreischer
No.
- [88:07]
Matthew McConaughey
No, I don't either.
- [88:08]
Tom Segura
It's all about the right partnership. A thousand percent, right. Yeah.
- [88:13]
Matthew McConaughey
Because there's a good clean fun of it, that whatever you know about Camilla and I, her and I married, we got kids. It's like, all right, yeah, there's a certain demographic. I think if it had been me and, I don't know, another actress, they'd been like, there's a certain demographic. Been like, yeah, no, I'm not just, like, too much of a stunt. I don't want to think that those two are naked in front of each.
- [88:33]
Tom Segura
Yeah, yeah.
- [88:34]
Bert Kreischer
You know, it seems very homegrown. It doesn't seem like you're. I know it's not a money grab for you because you don't need money. So, like, that's why I think it's cool, you know? And there's a. There's an elusiveness to your wife. I know she's on Instagram, but she's not, like, out there telling her story and trying to get views. And there's also the idea that this is the chick that Matthew McConaughey was like, hey, don't leave.
- [89:00]
Matthew McConaughey
Please stay.
- [89:01]
Bert Kreischer
Fucking crazy.
- [89:02]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah, man.
- [89:04]
Bert Kreischer
My wife kind of dug her way in.
- [89:05]
Tom Segura
I'm kind of. Your story is the same here. I, you know, I saw this guy and I was like, don't leave. And so that's why we started Porosis.
- [89:12]
Bert Kreischer
You know, you don't get a lot of friends. Who's your best friend?
- [89:15]
Matthew McConaughey
Who's my best friend? Great question.
- [89:19]
Bert Kreischer
That's two great questions I got in this interview.
- [89:21]
Matthew McConaughey
You gotta think it's the third.
- [89:24]
Tom Segura
He's so happy right now.
- [89:25]
Matthew McConaughey
Who's my best friend? Probably Camila, I'm happy to say. I mean, I got some really close friends, and I don't have a best friend. Like, I had best friend in high school, got best friend in college, best friend early part of my career. I mean, as far as the, you know, the person that I share with and that sees me express myself and sits there and comes to me and pops me and gut checks me on places where maybe I'm trying to get away with something that she's like, no, no, no, no, that ain't gonna fly. Or lets me know, hey, man.
- [90:04]
Bert Kreischer
Here'S.
- [90:05]
Matthew McConaughey
Here's a glass of pantalones, man. Be easy on yourself for a second. She walks a good line with that. She's great about next days after the party. She's great about this. You know, everyone goes to the weekend wedding in Mexico, and it's Friday. Saturday night's the wedding, and then Sunday, everyone gets out of their shoe, shading their eyes to make it to work on Monday morning. She's great about. Let's make sure that we have Monday open, and the first thing on Tuesday is after 2pm and we're going to not leave until Monday afternoon. So while everyone rushes out, we're going to merge out, have a beer by the pool, sit back, grab another sign, have another cocktail that night, eat a good meal. She's really great about the soft landings, man.
- [90:56]
Tom Segura
Are you trying to sell us on your wife? Jesus Christ. That was.
- [90:59]
Bert Kreischer
Let us pitch our wives.
- [91:00]
Matthew McConaughey
She's really good about it.
- [91:01]
Bert Kreischer
My wife's at 7am You've got a lot in your plate. What accent am I doing?
- [91:07]
Matthew McConaughey
So. And I've got some. And I've got some other friends. I've got some real good. Good. I have some girls that I'm good friends with, but I have a lot of good male friends. And I've been seeking elders. I found myself in the last eight years mentors, older men that have done, done, done it well, held their stuff together, been about themselves.
- [91:26]
Bert Kreischer
We should get some mentors.
- [91:27]
Tom Segura
No, it's invaluable.
- [91:28]
Matthew McConaughey
You know what I mean?
- [91:29]
Tom Segura
When you, when you go, it takes like a bit of like, modesty. Humble. You have to be humble yourself to go, hey, I want to. I would like to learn something from you. You know, you kind of. And you, you see, the thing is that, like, older people, what you realize the most when you spend time with anybody, like much older, is they just want to matter still.
- [91:51]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah.
- [91:52]
Tom Segura
And when you go, when you ask somebody who's older, their advice on something, man, they come alive. They love it. They love having to like, share and teach. I think it's like interacting with older people is fantastic.
- [92:05]
Matthew McConaughey
I'm with you, man. It reminds me of another. This is not a trick, but it's a good reminder. And it's been a. It's a simple one that I. That I think is really a really good one. Has been in my life in this world where so many of our relationships, whether it is for us or not, it is for the other transactional to sit there every month. And I've tried to is reach out to people and it's just a five minute howdy. And I don't ask for nothing. And I've noticed that it's almost like they go, well, what are you. Nothing. I don't need anything. I can go a long way.
- [92:49]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [92:49]
Matthew McConaughey
And it's a quick little hit. It's not a deep long thing. It's just a quick little hit for nothing at all. Just checking in.
- [92:55]
Tom Segura
It's the Joey Diaz.
- [92:57]
Bert Kreischer
Joey Diaz is one of the best dudes in the world.
- [93:00]
Tom Segura
Comedian friend of ours. And part of his thing is like weekly or bi weekly. You'll see the call and, and you.
- [93:08]
Bert Kreischer
Know, you answer it.
- [93:08]
Tom Segura
He's an old school dude where he doesn't text you.
- [93:11]
Bert Kreischer
He doesn't text you.
- [93:11]
Tom Segura
He goes, if you send me another text, I'll break your fingers. You're like, okay. So he calls and you answer and he goes, what's going on?
- [93:19]
Bert Kreischer
What's up?
- [93:20]
Tom Segura
What's up? Hey, you're like, not much. He's like, how's the wife, the kids? This is Joey Diaz. And you go. You go, oh, everything's good. And he's like, I'm just checking in. You good? And you go, yeah. And then you're kind of the same thing. You're like, what's up? And he's like, just. Just remember, don't forget about me.
- [93:36]
Bert Kreischer
I love you.
- [93:37]
Tom Segura
Yeah.
- [93:37]
Bert Kreischer
Yeah.
- [93:38]
Tom Segura
It's a check in. He just checks in.
- [93:39]
Matthew McConaughey
It ain't gonna be long. No, you ain't gonna go take a game off? Take a long walk to go sit down? And it's just a.
- [93:45]
Tom Segura
He won't let it go long. That's the thing. He's just like, all right, stop with the fucking talking. And he's up. But he checks in on you, and you always get. You know what the thing is? You get like a little dopamine, serotonin bump. You're like, that was great. Joey Diaz just checked in on me, so it's a nice feeling.
- [94:00]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah, man.
- [94:01]
Bert Kreischer
And you've worked with so many wild people that, like fun, like, people that. I go, I'd love to know that. Like, I think Sandra Bullock's the baddest motherfucker in town. I think she's so cool. I think fucking Cole Hauser is one of the baddest motherfuckers in town. I'll tell you about. I even think back to. Can I tell you who I was obsessed with in Days Infused was Sasha.
- [94:23]
Matthew McConaughey
Sasha.
- [94:24]
Bert Kreischer
Yeah.
- [94:24]
Matthew McConaughey
It's great.
- [94:25]
Bert Kreischer
I go, where the fuck I want more of that guy in my life?
- [94:27]
Matthew McConaughey
He's writing and he's writing. He's making a living writing scripts.
- [94:30]
Bert Kreischer
For real?
- [94:30]
Matthew McConaughey
Yeah. I'm like, he's writing scripts that are being made by major studios. So he's got. He found a good. I met with him. It's been a couple years, but he's. I think he's doing. When I talk to him, he's doing well.
- [94:39]
Bert Kreischer
He was such a scene stealer. Like, he was such a scene stealer.
- [94:43]
Matthew McConaughey
I fucking loved him.
- [94:44]
Bert Kreischer
That movie was so impressive on me. I must have watched it a million times. Everything you've done, I know we got to get you out of here.
- [94:50]
Matthew McConaughey
We do.
- [94:51]
Bert Kreischer
You are. You are a legend. And the idea that we got to sit with you for an hour and.
- [94:54]
Tom Segura
A half, it was really awesome.
- [94:55]
Bert Kreischer
Just pick your brain.
- [94:56]
Tom Segura
Thank you for coming.
- [94:57]
Bert Kreischer
The best.
- [94:59]
Tom Segura
I hope we get to do it some other time, work together or something. Some way. It was fantastic. Don't forget Green Lights hits shelves in paperback tomorrow, you can get pantalones. The delicious, multiple styles pantalones.
- [95:12]
Bert Kreischer
I'm telling you right now, if you're a young man, I just say young man, because that's what I think. This is the book you need. This looks. This will walk you. You're just gonna see. It's not a self help book. It's a story of a dude who did it his way and did it differently than everyone else and turned out on top. And it's a great roadmap for the way to look at life. Maybe not live your life the same way, but look at life and go, fuck, yeah, man. I need to get off the road. I need to get. I need to get out of town. I need to go do something different. I got to roll the dice a little bit. You're a legend, brother.
- [95:39]
Matthew McConaughey
I appreciate it.
- [95:40]
Tom Segura
Thank you very much. And Again, it's Matthew McConaughey and it's spelled McGo.
- [95:48]
Matthew McConaughey
Got to spell that twice.
- [95:50]
Tom Segura
Party, though, right? How do you spell that? All right, all right. Thanks a lot, man. We'll see you guys next time.
- [95:55]
Bert Kreischer
Appreciate it.
- [95:58]
Matthew McConaughey
One goes topless while the other wears a shirt tomorrow.
- [96:01]
Bert Kreischer
Tell stories and burts the machine.
- [96:04]
Matthew McConaughey
There's not a chance in hell that they'll keep clean.
- [96:07]
Bert Kreischer
Here's what we call two bears, one cave.