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This week on 20 Minute Takes, we are sharing a part of Nikki Toyama-Szeto's conversation with Jemar Tisby and Mark Labberton on a new project and podcast: Credible Witness. They discuss the changing landscape of our world today, and the ways in which the credibility of Christian life is more important than ever.

You can find the episode in its entirety here.

Jemar Tisby is a historian, speaker, and New York Times best-selling author of the books "The Color of Compromise," "How to Fight Racism," and "The Spirit of Justice."
You can learn more about Jemar here, and follow him on Instagram, or Threads.

Mark Labberton is the Clifford L. Penner Presidential Chair Emeritus and Professor Emeritus of Preaching at Fuller Seminary.

20 Minute Takes is a production of Christians for Social Action
Hosted by Nikki Toyama-Szeto
This episode was edited by Evan Rosa
Additional editing and production by David de Leon
Music by Andre Henry