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Episode #291: Government by Deal: What Happens When Everything Becomes Negotiable?
Host: Lynn Thoman | Guest: Yuval Levin
Date: March 3, 2026

Episode Overview

In this thought-provoking episode, Lynn Thoman speaks with Yuval Levin, director of Social, Cultural and Constitutional Studies at the American Enterprise Institute and author of American Covenant and A Time to Build. The conversation centers on the transformation in American governance—shifting from broad, durable policy changes enacted through legislation to a “government by deal” approach, where one-off negotiations and private arrangements overshadow rule-making and institutional reform. They discuss the consequences of this shift, the erosion of stability and predictability in government and business, and the pressing need for Congress to reassert its constitutional role.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Illusion of Constant Action vs. Durable Change

• Yuval Levin explains (02:11-03:38): The current presidency appears frantically active with constant executive actions and headlines, but is actually accomplishing less substantive policy change than past administrations.
  • Quote:

    “There's an enormous effort...to control every news cycle, to make announcements, to try to declare actions taken. But...we actually don't see a whole lot of durable change driven through that system.” — Yuval Levin (02:22)

• Most changes are administrative, not legislative, and therefore unlikely to endure beyond the current term.

2. From Governing Wholesale to Governing Retail

• Retail vs. Wholesale Governance (05:02-06:30):
  • The administration prefers targeted deals (retail), making agreements with specific companies or institutions, rather than enacting rules that apply broadly (wholesale).
  • Quote:

    “It’s retail in the sense that it’s directed to where the news stories are... But our presidents make the most difference when they govern in a wholesale way.” — Yuval Levin (05:52)

• This approach wins news cycles but is a poor substitute for systematic, lasting reform.

3. The Disconnect Between Rhetoric and Reality

• Federal Spending Under an Anti–Big Government President (06:51-08:48):
  • Despite rhetoric about slashing government, federal spending actually increased by 3.5% from 2024 to 2025.
  • Much of the spending is locked in by Congress through continuing resolutions, not executive action.
  • Quote:

    “The thing to notice there is really the distance between the talk and the action.” — Yuval Levin (08:19)

• Memorable moment (08:44): How federal workforce reductions, though publicized, returned employment to its long-term average rather than marking dramatic change.

4. The Temptation and Risks of Private Deals

• Why Private Deals Are Preferred (09:00-10:13):

  • Negotiating directly is faster, more controllable, and less accountable than passing legislation.
  • Presidents are incentivized to take unilateral actions, yet such actions rarely bring about lasting change.

• Institutional Temptation (10:26-11:37):

  • Institutions often accept deals simply to reduce risk or avoid negative attention, despite preferring clear, predictable rules.
  • Quote:

    “There’s a strong inclination to take that deal even when it’s not the ideal way to engage with the federal government.” — Yuval Levin (11:21)

5. Federal Leverage Over Institutions

• Excessive Federal Power (11:46-13:02):

  • The U.S. government has accumulated outsized leverage over universities, businesses, and more.
  • Quote:

    “The federal government has too much leverage, too much of a role in the operation of the American economy and in American life in general.” — Yuval Levin (12:31)

• The current period forces institutions to rethink their dependence on Washington, though the lesson is being learned the hard way.

• Scaling Back Federal Power (13:09-14:11):

  • Legislative action is necessary, but challenging.
  • Institutions should seek greater independence from federal dollars and regulatory entanglements when possible.

6. Tech Giants and Government Relations

• Tech Companies’ Vulnerability (14:23-15:31):
  • Large companies like Apple, Google, and Amazon are subject to vast regulatory reach—trade, communications, securities, etc.—increasing their dependence on executive goodwill.
  • Quote:

    “If you’re the CEO of Apple, you really do need to be on the good side of the American government. And at the moment, that really means making a personal appeal to the President of the United States.” — Yuval Levin (15:06)

• Even with pared-down regulations, the government would remain powerful; limits on personalistic presidential action are also essential.

7. Congressional Abdication and the Resulting Vacuum

• Structural Issues in American Government (17:05-18:35):

  • Congressional inaction creates a vacuum filled by presidential and judicial actors, distorting the constitutional balance.
  • Historical cycles show Congress can reassert itself after presidential excesses, but such change requires new incentives and leadership.

• Quote (18:35):

  “The absence of Congress creates vacuums that the president rushes into ... and we have seen in American history periods of extreme presidential excess like this followed by periods of congressional reassertion.” — Yuval Levin

8. Consequences of “Government by Deal”

• Loss of Rule of Law and Rise of Corruption (18:42-19:54):

  • When every outcome is negotiated, and not the result of stable laws, corruption thrives and predictability vanishes.
  • Quote:

    “What it creates is corruption, is people trying to gain an advantage for themselves in relation to the government... The costs would be tremendous, just enormous. We absolutely have to fight against this trend.” — Yuval Levin (19:35)

• Effects on Business, Society, and Planning (20:09-21:35):

  • The lack of legal and regulatory predictability deters investment, risk-taking, and long-term planning in the economy.
  • Quote:

    “That dynamism, which feels so often like instability, is made possible by tremendous stability... When we don’t have that predictability, we take fewer risks, we feel unsafe.” — Yuval Levin (20:37)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|---------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:22 | Levin | "There's an enormous effort... But...we actually don't see a whole lot of durable change driven through that system." | | 05:52 | Levin | "It’s retail in the sense that it’s directed to where the news stories are...but our presidents make the most difference wholesale."| | 08:19 | Levin | "The thing to notice there is really the distance between the talk and the action." | | 11:21 | Levin | "There’s a strong inclination to take that deal even when it’s not the ideal way to engage with the federal government." | | 12:31 | Levin | "The federal government has too much leverage, too much of a role in the operation of the American economy and in American life." | | 15:06 | Levin | "If you’re the CEO of Apple, you really do need to be on the good side of the American government ... that really means making a personal appeal to the President." | | 19:35 | Levin | "What it creates is corruption ... The costs would be tremendous, just enormous. We absolutely have to fight against this trend." | | 20:37 | Levin | "That dynamism, which feels so often like instability, is made possible by tremendous stability..." |

Three Key Takeaways (23:14)

1. Think About Enduring Change

   “Ask yourself, what are we doing that’s going to endure five years from now? That’s the way that real change happens, especially in and around American political life.”

2. Observe the Gap Between Talk and Action

   “It’s very easy to talk, it’s very hard to act in American political life. And it’s in the distance, the difference between the two, that you can actually come to understand the way our politics works.”

3. Assume Good Intentions in Politics

   “Just about nobody gets out of bed in the morning to make somebody else’s life miserable... When you find someone doing something you can’t explain in your own terms, you have to think, how is this a good thing in their terms?... It’s also a way to understand them better and to make yourself more effective in thinking as a citizen or in thinking about someone engaged in politics.”

Final Thoughts

Yuval Levin offers a sobering assessment of current American governance, emphasizing how the drift toward individualized dealmaking undermines the rule of law, predictability, and ultimately, the nation’s dynamism. The discussion highlights the urgent need for Congress to step up and for all institutions—including the presidency—to rediscover the strength in restraint and the value of institutional renewal.

For further insights, listen to the full episode or explore Yuval Levin’s books and writing.