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Erin Menke
Welcome to Erin Menke's Cabinet of Curiosities, a production of iHeartRadio and Grim and Mild.
Aaron Manke
Our world is full of the unexplainable, and if history is an open book, all of these amazing tales are right there on display, just waiting for us to explore. Welcome to the Cabinet of Curiosities.
Erin Menke
Radio technology has always been complicated, but we still use it every day. WI fi operates on radio frequencies, which means that you're probably listening to this podcast right now because of radio. You probably can't explain how it works, but don't worry, I'm not going to ask you to, but I am going to tell you to feel grateful. Because while today we may have our own high functioning radio transmitters in the form of WI FI routers, a hundred years ago, a radio transmitter was a rare, expensive and dangerous piece of equipment that few people had in their homes. And it took a boxing match, of all things, to Change that. In 1921, J. Andrew White was a 31 year old radio Corporation of America employee who had served in the Army Signal Corps in World War I. This meant that he was a radio expert, which was still a new technology at the time, and because of this, he was approached by promoters from Madison Square Garden who had the crazy idea to transmit the upcoming fight between world boxing champions Jack Dempsey and George Carpentier. They wanted to transmit to different radios all over New England and as far away as Ohio and charge people a fee to listen at various local theaters. And White jumped at the chance to make this happen. You see, at the time, radio was the domain of hobbyists and the government, and he knew that this would prove that the technology deserved a wider place in society. Working with the team, he set about creating the infrastructure to make the broadcast possible. The fight would take place in July at a makeshift arena in New Jersey, and as such there was no antenna or transmitter available at the actual site of the fight. To find suitable equipment, White and his team had to search far and wide. The only suitable transmitter they could find belonged to the United States Navy, and so they had a Meeting with none other than the assistant secretary of the navy, Franklin Delano Roosevelt. The young future president believed in helping civilian projects whenever he could, and so he readily agreed to lend the transmitter as long as the navy received a small cut of the profits. The transmitter was transported to New Jersey, but it still needed an antenna. White had to run a telephone line all the way from the arena to a nearby train station, where he rigged a massive antenna from a local clock tower. The transmitter was housed at the station, and White had one of the assistants guard it day and night. And after this, White secured a broadcasting license from the government to broadcast his own unique radio station called wjy. Amateurs were hired across the country to man their own radio and speaker setups at local theaters. The promoters did everything they could to drum up interest in the big day. And then AT&T came along and tried to ruin the whole thing. The company, just a few decades old at the time, came out of nowhere right before the fight and claimed that they wouldn't allow one of their telephone lines to be used in a radio broadcast. Essentially, they saw the Radio Corporation of America as a competitor and didn't want to help them. White had to think up a new plan on very short notice. His final workaround proved to be his cleverest idea so far. He would report on the fight from ringside, talking on the phone to one of his assistants at the train station. They would then type up the play by play commentary for yet another assistant to read out over the radio. They even had a gong in the booth to simulate the gong from the ring. Listeners all over the country would actually be listening to a slightly delayed report of the fight, but they were none the wiser. With the exciting commentary and the sound of the gong, they were completely drawn in. Some listeners even later reported that they could hear the sound of the crowd. And although this was entirely in their imagination, Jack Dempsey knocked out George Carpentier in the fourth round. And as excited as the people were to watch the fight in New Jersey, hundreds of thousands of people around the country were just as thrilled to be listening in their own hometowns. Of course, they had no way of knowing how much hard work had been done to make it all possible. In fact, the assistant who read out the fight over the radio, Jo Smith, ended the match in worse shape than Carpentier. It seems that he was temporarily blinded by the bright burning tubes of the radio transmitter and even burned his hands when one of those tubes exploded and had to be switched out mid fight. But it did the trick. Over the next few years, radio sales skyrocketed and the rest is history. Men like J. Andrew White and Jo Smith let their curiosity guide them and it changed entertainment forever without them. You might not be listening to me right now, so be thankful for that and for the later developments that made it possible for your phone to do amazing things like not explode in your hand or blind you.
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Erin Menke
For most people, fear works as evolution intended, keeping them out of dangerous situations. But for others, fear is more of a challenge, a call to face whatever obstacles might be standing in their way. Cave divers definitely fall into that second category. They squeeze into narrow spaces that most of us would only visit in our nightmares, trying to prove to themselves that it won't kill them. Most of the time they're right, but sometimes the cave wins. A word of warning. This story is not for those with claustrophobia. About an hour south of Salt Lake City, Utah is a place called Nutty Putty Cave. It's not the kind of high ceilinged, stalactite filled cave that you might be used to. It's a series of very tight passages, most of them no bigger than the opening of a washing machine it was discovered in 1960 by Diver Dale Green, who named it after the clay that forms in its humid tunnels. Thousands of divers flocked to the cave every year to test themselves against its narrow, twisty passages. But the cave was closed in 2006 after multiple rescue missions. No one died, but one young man was hospitalized for days. It was becoming too common for divers to go at night without proper equipment and then become stuck. Typically, rescue teams had to then enter the cave, tie a rope around the stuck person's foot, pulling them free. The cave eventually reopened in 2009 after the state instituted an application process for visitors. Now they had to prove that they had all the necessary training and equipment. And that very same year, two brothers signed up. Josh and John Jones. As kids, they'd been on many cave exploration trips with their father, although they hadn't been on any trips for a few years. They thought that it would be a fun way to relive old memories. And so they descended into the cave, headlamps guiding their way. They crawled through the biggest chamber, first known as the big slide, which is big enough for a diver to turn around in. But after this, they wanted more of a challenge. Josh and John decided to look for the birth canal, a narrow passage that only the most experienced divers could pass through. They proceeded through the most narrow sections of the cave. These are such tight spaces that you could stretch out your hand to where it's touching both the top and the bottom of the cave at once. John was in the lead, and he thought he was approaching the birth canal. He thought the cave would open up there where he could turn back around. But in reality, he and Josh had made a wrong turn. They were in an even more narrow, uncharted part of the cave. Suddenly, John fell forward, his body going from fully horizontal to fully vertical. One arm was trapped underneath him and the other arm trapped to his side. He was stuck upside down. At first, Josh, still behind him, thought that he could pull him free, but it was no use. Josh crawled back out of the cave and called 911 before returning to his brother. But the climb from the spot where John was stuck can take as much as one hour each way. By the time rescue teams arrived, John was still conscious, but he was frightened. They tried the traditional pulley system, hammering studs into the cave walls that could then be rigged with ropes and pulleys to try to create leverage to pull John out. They also considered using vegetable oil to slide him out. But none of these would work, as rescue diver Brandon Koalas soon realized. John was at such an angle that he couldn't be pulled out without breaking his legs. There wasn't enough space at the top of the tunnel for his legs to clear. It would be like trying to move a couch around a tight corner in an apartment with no way to pivot. The rescue team even brought power tools to try and chase chisel John out, but the space was too narrow to angle them properly. Eventually, rescue diver Brandon saw John's legs spasming. Blood and fluid had started to pool in his brain and lungs. After being upside down for hours, his blood couldn't circulate and had become toxic. He couldn't breathe. John Jones passed away just before midnight. It was a tragic end to what was supposed to be a fun family outing. Even more tragically, the divers couldn't recover John's body. The caves were finally sealed with cement. Having proven that they were more than humans could handle, a plaque was left in John's honor. It's a curious tomb with several winding passageways going in all directions. But only one of those passageways contains a body, one that will forever be trapped upside down.
Aaron Manke
I hope you've enjoyed today's guided tour of the Cabinet of Curiosities. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or learn more about the show by visiting curiositiespodcast.com this show was created by me, Aaron Manke, in partnership with How Stuff Works. I make another award winning show called Lore, which is a podcast, book series and television show and you can learn all about it over@theworldoflore.com and until next time, stay curious.
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Release Date: August 5, 2025
Host: Erin Menke and Aaron Mahnke
Production: iHeartPodcasts and Grim & Mild
The episode "Boxed In" opens with Erin Menke welcoming listeners to Aaron Mahnke's Cabinet of Curiosities, setting the stage for a journey into the bizarre and the extraordinary. Aaron Mahnke emphasizes the wealth of unexplained phenomena throughout history, inviting listeners to explore the hidden tales that lie within our collective past.
Overview:
The first narrative delves into the pioneering efforts to broadcast the legendary boxing match between Jack Dempsey and George Carpentier in 1921. This story highlights the intersection of emerging radio technology and the burgeoning entertainment industry.
Key Points:
J. Andrew White's Ambition: At 31, J. Andrew White, a seasoned radio expert from the Radio Corporation of America, seizes the opportunity to broadcast the fight, aiming to demonstrate radio's potential beyond hobbyist circles.
Aaron Mahnke notes, "White knew that this would prove that the technology deserved a wider place in society" (02:15).
Securing the Transmitter: White collaborates with Franklin Delano Roosevelt, then Assistant Secretary of the Navy, to borrow a Navy transmitter, offering a share of the profits in return.
Mahnke recounts, "The young future president believed in helping civilian projects whenever he could" (03:05).
Overcoming Challenges: Faced with AT&T's obstruction, which refused to allow the use of their telephone lines, White devises an ingenious workaround involving live ringside commentary transmitted via telephone, complemented by sound effects to enhance the listener's experience.
"They were completely drawn in," Mahnke states, highlighting the success of this makeshift solution (04:30).
Impact and Legacy: The broadcast not only captivates audiences nationwide but also catalyzes a surge in radio sales, solidifying radio's place in entertainment history.
A poignant moment occurs when Mahnke reflects, "Men like J. Andrew White and Jo Smith let their curiosity guide them and it changed entertainment forever" (05:45).
Notable Incident:
During the broadcast, assistant Jo Smith suffers an accident when a transmitter tube explodes, leading to temporary blindness and burnt hands. Despite his injuries, Smith successfully concludes the live commentary, underscoring the perilous nature of early broadcasting endeavors.
Overview:
The second story shifts to the realm of extreme cave diving, recounting the tragic incident at Utah's Nutty Putty Cave where diver John Jones lost his life. This narrative explores the fine line between human curiosity and the inherent dangers of pushing physical limits.
Key Points:
Nutty Putty Cave's Challenges: Discovered in 1960, Nutty Putty Cave is infamous for its extremely narrow passages, posing significant risks to even the most experienced divers.
Erin Menke describes it as “only one of those passageways contains a body, one that will forever be trapped upside down” (11:45).
The Jones Brothers' Expedition: In 2009, brothers Josh and John Jones embark on a cave dive to relive childhood memories. Their ambition leads them into an uncharted, tighter section of the cave known as the birth canal.
John Jones realizes the severity of their misdirection: "He thought the cave would open up there where he could turn back around" (09:20).
The Incident: John becomes trapped upside down in an impossibly narrow space, with both arms immobilized. Efforts to rescue him prove futile due to the cave's restrictive dimensions.
Erin Menke conveys the desperation of the situation: "John was at such an angle that he couldn't be pulled out without breaking his legs" (10:50).
Rescue Efforts and Outcome: Despite the rescue team's determination, including attempts to use pulleys and even power tools, John Jones succumbs to his injuries after enduring hours trapped.
Mahnke solemnly states, "John Jones passed away just before midnight" (11:30).
Aftermath and Closure: The tragedy leads to the permanent sealing of Nutty Putty Cave, with a memorial plaque serving as a grim reminder of the limits of human exploration.
A reflective Mahnke concludes, "It's a curious tomb... forever trapped upside down" (11:55).
Themes Explored:
Aaron Mahnke wraps up the episode by encouraging listeners to remain curious and appreciative of the ingenuity that drives human progress, whether in technological advancements or the daring pursuits of exploration. The dual narratives of radio innovation and cave diving tragedy illustrate the profound impact of curiosity—both its potential to transform societies and its capacity to lead to unforeseen consequences.
As Mahnke aptly puts it, "Stay curious" (12:00), leaving listeners with a thoughtful invitation to explore the unknown responsibly.
Additional Information:
"Boxed In" masterfully intertwines tales of technological ingenuity and human exploration, illustrating how curiosity can both propel society forward and pose profound risks. Through meticulous storytelling and evocative narratives, Erin Menke and Aaron Mahnke invite listeners to ponder the delicate balance between innovation and safety, celebrating the spirit of curiosity that defines the Cabinet of Curiosities.