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Welcome to Erin Menke's Cabinet of Curiosities, a production of iHeartRadio and Grim and mild.
Aaron Manke
Our world is full of the unexplainable. And if history is an open book, all of these amazing tales are right there on display, just waiting for us to explore. Welcome to the Cabinet of Curiosities. One thousand years ago, in October of 1032, a man named Theophylactus did the unthinkable. He was named Pope at the age of 20. He chose the name Benedict IX and as far as we know, became the youngest person to ever hold the title. Of course, this was no coincidence. Two of his uncles had been popes as well as his granduncle and great granduncle. He was part of an unofficial papal dynasty, and his family's connections had been crucial to securing his election. Unsurprisingly, his papacy was controversial almost from the start. He was accused of making a mockery of Rome, living a hedonistic lifestyle. We have no way of knowing which of these accusations were true and which were politically motivated hearsay. But it's easy enough to conclude that he was not a popular pope in 1036, just four years later, Benedict found himself exiled from Rome. He would return shortly after, thanks to the support of Holy Roman Emperor Conrad ii. But he didn't get any more popular, and rumors of his indiscretions only grew. In 1044, he was exiled a second time, and this time local bishops appointed a replacement Pope, Sylvester iii. But Benedict IX was not going to take this lying down. Now in his early 30s, he rallied and returned to Rome the following year, ousting his replacement. But something had changed in his attitude. We don't know for sure if he was tired of being the Pope or if the constant criticism was finally getting to him. But By April of 1045, he was considering leaving the papacy behind. Honestly, he just wanted to get married and move on with his life. So he did what few popes have ever done before or since. He resigned, although not before making a deal that would set him up comfortably. You see, Benedict's godfather, Jean Gratienne, was a well liked priest. Benedict proposed that he would resign and allow Gratienne to take the papacy. As long as Gratienne paid all the debts that Benedict had incurred during the papal elections. His uncle consented, paid up, and was named Pope Gregory vi. This was a huge relief for the Catholic Church at large, who immediately started to press Gregory and to root out corruption amongst the priesthood. However, this wasn't a solution to the problems created by Benedict's time in the Holy See. In fact, it only made things more complicated. A year into his retirement, Benedict started to regret his decision. In July of 1046, he came back and demanded his proper place as pope, much to the annoyance of his godfather. And around the same time, Sylvester III started speaking up, claiming that he was the rightful pope. So for those who are keeping track at home, by 10:46, there were three different popes, all claiming the title in Rome. But nobody in Rome was powerful enough to do anything about it. That November, the new Holy Roman Emperor, Henry iii, traveled to Rome to meet the Pope and arrange for his coronation. So he spoke to Gregory vi, only to learn that that guy was part of a trinity who were squabbling over power. He learned that Gregory himself got the title by paying off the previous pope, who himself was part of a dynasty of corrupt popes. It was more than a little outrageous. On December 20th of 1046, Henry III gathered a council of bishops to address this chaos. All three popes were invited too, but only Sylvester III and Gregory VI showed up. The bishops determined that Sylvester III was not a proper pope, and both Benedict and Gregory had obtained their titles illegitimately. So after the council, Henry deposed all three popes, appointing Clement II in their place to return stability to the Roman Catholic Church. Which is enough to make your head spin, right? We have four guys now who all claim to want to wear the pointy hat. So what happened to the others? Well, Sylvester returned to Sabina, where he served as a bishop for the rest of his life. Gregory left for Germany and died only a few years later. Benedict, however, never learned his lesson. After Clement II died, Benedict seized the papal throne yet again, resulting in the Church fully excommunicating him. His final fate is actually unknown, but he went down in history as the only Pope to ever sell the title and the only one to reign three times non consecutively. No matter how hard he fought for it, though, it really seemed like he didn't take the job all that seriously. Which is perhaps even more damning than anything he was accused of while he was in power.
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In 2700 BC a time so ancient its people might seem completely alien to us today, the Egyptian architect and priest Imhotep was performing a delicate operation on a stone tablet beneath a single shaft of light. The light shone down from a hole cut into the stone roof above. It allowed Imhotep to see every detail of his work in the otherwise dark palace. He made subtle observations, tweaking things here and there. He had his assistants record everything on pages of papyrus they needed to preserve what they learned. After all, any knowledge gleaned was from the creator God Ptah himself. That being said, Imhotep began his career as a priest of Ra, the sun God. He owed everything to Ra. Although Imhotep had been born a commoner, this time as a priest had exposed him to all kinds of learning. He became a master of architecture, poetry, astronomy, and mathematics. His designs for a new kind of building, a tomb he called a pyramid, were much grander than the plain rectangles the pharaohs and other important Egyptians were buried in at the time. This had soon captured the attention of the current pharaoh, and he immediately had Imhotep build him a pyramid, even allowing Imhotep to carve his name into one of the stones. Afterward, Imhotep became his chief advisor. And although he was a master of the arts, there was one art that he now valued above all the others. Architecture no longer held any mysteries. The heavens, they've all been mapped. Now he was exploring a new frontier, an art form that wasn't just fascinating, but also necessary. In fact, Imhotep had taken to calling it the necessary art. Today, though, we call it medicine. Unlike architecture and poetry, medicine didn't just exist for its own sake. It existed to save lives. Imhotep felt that there was no greater art than that. He tried to help anyone he could who was suffering from injury or illness. He considered his treatments a gift from the God Thoth and recorded his findings as Thoth's teachings. Any physicians who deviated from these treatments was committing a punishable crime. And that may sound ignorant, but it was actually incredibly progressive for the time. You see, up until this point, medicine was entirely based on superstition. This or that herb was believed to cure this or that illness, not out of testing or evidence, but out of passed down traditions. If that herb didn't work, it was the patient's fault for displeasing the gods. Imhotep, though, believed his treatments were from the gods. But he didn't believe that they failed because of the patient. Instead, he believed that the gods were telling him that he needed to try something different. He was essentially inventing what we would call today empiricism, the idea that knowledge is gained through observation, not intuition or superstition. It is the underpinning idea behind the modern scientific method. Take Imhotep's current patient. With that in mind, let's return to his patient at the moment, the one mentioned at the beginning of this story, his latest project laid out on the stone table. The man had been mauled by a hippo. One leg had been torn to shreds. The other was badly broken and had a bone sticking out. He was covered in lacerations, and there was a strange swelling in his abdomen. Imhotep used trial and error. He applied a thick paste to the mangled leg, but it was not enough. He next tried a reed splint, which worked on the snapped leg, but not the mangled one. He considered a plaster linen cast, but worried that the bleeding was too great. Instead, he had his assistants hold down the man, and while he screamed, Imhotep used a saw to cut off the leg. But then Imhotep retrieved a hot poker from a nearby fire, which he used to cauterize the wound because he thought that this might finally stop the bleeding. And it did, a new discovery for his book of medicine. Next, he treated the lacerations with an oiled eel's head, wrapping the wounds up with bandages. Afterward, and upon closely examining the swollen abdomen, he made an incision with his scalpel, a small, fine blade that he had invented for work. Just like this, black blood began to pour from the abdomen and and then it stopped and the swelling went down. By observing what worked and what didn't, Imhotep could learn how to effectively treat a variety of injuries and diseases and force other doctors in Egypt to do the same. Rather than rely on superstition. His methods were so effective that even 2,000 years after his death, the Egyptians were still using his teachings on others. Imhotep was one of the few Egyptians to be raised to the status of godhood. His work was so influential that it crossed the ocean to Greece, where a man named Hippocrates was inspired by it. He went on to become known as the father of modern medicine, and his Hippocratic oath, do no harm is still sworn by doctors today. Curiously, the real father of modern medicine lived a couple thousand years prior. His methods might seem rough today, but like his pyramid designs, they laid the foundation for something magnificent. I hope you enjoyed today's guided tour through the Cabinet of Curiosities. This show was created by me, Aaron Manke, in partnership with iHeart Podcasts, researched and written by the Grim and Mild team and produced by Jesse Funk. Learn more about the show and the people who make it over@grimandmild.com curiosities. You'll also find a link to the official Cabinet of Curiosity's hardcover book, available in bookstores and online, as well as ebook and audiobook. And if you're looking for an ad free option, consider joining our Patreon. 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Aaron Mahnke's Cabinet of Curiosities: "Necessary Art" (March 17, 2026)
In "Necessary Art," Aaron Mahnke explores the surprisingly tumultuous histories behind two seemingly unrelated subjects: the chaotic reign of Pope Benedict IX in 11th-century Rome, and the groundbreaking contributions of Imhotep, the ancient Egyptian polymath credited with pioneering medical empiricism. The episode uses these stories to illustrate how necessity, whether in religion or science, shapes the course of history—and even the very definition of “art.”
Early Papal Dynasty Origins
Controversial Leadership
The Papal 'Sale' and Chaos in Rome
Return, Rivalry, and Multiple Claimants
Emperor Intervention and Papal Deposition
Aftermath and Legacy
“No matter how hard he fought for it, though, it really seemed like he didn’t take the job all that seriously. Which is perhaps even more damning than anything he was accused of while he was in power.”
—Aaron Mahnke (05:36)
Imhotep's Multidisciplinary Legacy
Medicine as Art and Science
Early Empiricism and Medical Practice
Case Study: The Hippo Attack
Enduring Influence
"His methods might seem rough today, but like his pyramid designs, they laid the foundation for something magnificent."
—Aaron Mahnke (13:27)
On papal chaos:
“For those who are keeping track at home, by 1046, there were three different popes, all claiming the title in Rome. But nobody in Rome was powerful enough to do anything about it.”
—Aaron Mahnke (04:10)
On the shift to empirical medicine:
“Rather than rely on superstition. His methods were so effective that even 2,000 years after his death, the Egyptians were still using his teachings on others.”
—Aaron Mahnke (12:10)
Aaron Mahnke’s narration is engaging, brisk, and packed with fascination for historical oddities. He blends storytelling with dry wit and a sense of wonder for how bizarre and unexpected history can be.
"Necessary Art" showcases how individuals driven by ambition or necessity can reshape history—whether through scandalous papal intrigue or by founding an entire approach to medicine. Through unexpectedly parallel tales, Mahnke reveals that innovation—be it political maneuvering or practical science—often arises from unusual minds willing to break with the status quo.
Final words:
“As always, until next time, stay curious.” (13:33)