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Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford
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Aaron Manke
Welcome to Erin Menke's Cabinet of Curiosities, a production of iHeartRadio and Grim and Mild. Our world is full of the unexplainable and if history is an open book, all of these amazing tales are right there on display, just waiting for us to explore. Welcome to the Cabinet of curiosities. The late 19th century in Europe, often referred to as the Victorian era, was a time of rapid scientific development. But as much as Victorian Europe embraced science, there was also a social movement in the opposite direction, embracing spiritualism or mysticism. Seances were a popular part of this movement. Friends and family would gather around a table and attempt to contact the dead. They were such a commonplace practice that the lines between mysticism and science often blurred as researchers were attracted to seances to learn if there was any truth to them or if it were all just a hoax. In 1896, 21 year old Carl Gustav, or CG as his friends called him, was invited to the home of his cousin Heli Preisberg. She was a medium known for conducting seances. Although CG was a medical student, he had an open mind when it came to the supernatural. He was raised in a religious home and had been plagued by strange, vivid dreams from a young age. Both science and religion had always failed to explain his dreams. They were frightening episodes, full of monsters, ghosts and twisted imagery. If anyone could help him get to the bottom of these visions, perhaps it was his cousin Helle. It was said that she could not only contact the dead, but travel between different realms, maybe even into the realm of his dreams. Helle was a frail 15 year old girl, but she and CG got along well. They had a shared enthusiasm for the supernatural and so when they conducted this first seance together, they took it very seriously. At first, they attempted to contact the dead. They laid their fingers on an upside down glass over a sheet of paper covered with letters. Helle then channeled the ghosts in the room, asking them to identify themselves by using her body to move the glass and spell out their names. A spirit soon took control of her and revealed itself to be their late grandfather, the Reverend Samuel Preisberg. Helle suddenly fell to the ground. CG rushed to her side, shaking her, asking the spirit to free her. But when Helle spoke next, it didn't sound like her at all. Her voice was deep and mature, like that of their grandfathers. Do not fear, See, I am with you every day, it said. I am your grandfather Samuel, who dwells with God. Pray to him, the Lord, and ask him that my dear grandchild reaches her goal. What was her goal, you might ask? Well, apparently their grandfather had sent Helly's spirit to the Americas, where their relative Bertie was, and I quote, in danger from having a baby with a black man. He wanted Helle to somehow stop it, because, unfortunately, it seems that racism continues on into the afterlife. Helle returned to her body, claiming that she was unsuccessful in her mission to stop Birdie from having the baby. CG obviously found all of this very strange. But he found it even stranger weeks later when he received a letter from Birdie revealing that she had indeed had a baby. CG and Helle continued their seances for years, with Helle explaining more and more about the supernatural realms that she supposedly visited. But when CG finished his undergraduate and he moved on to the blossoming world of psychology, he began to read the works of Sigmund Freud and learned about the idea of the unconscious mind. The part of our brain that we don't have access to, that's filled with dark imagery and forgotten memories. And CG saw similarities between his dreams, Helly's spirits, and Freud's descriptions of the unconscious. It made more sense to him that he and Helle were both experiencing psychological rather than supernatural phenomena. And this became even more apparent a few years into the seances when CG caught Helly hiding objects in her dress that she would throw across the room, trying to make it look like the spirits were doing it. He spent the first several years of his psychotherapy career writing about Helle and how he believed that her spirits were just manifestations of her unconscious mind. Her ability to know things that she shouldn't was either outright deception or just simple coincidence. And CG's skepticism grew to the point where he eventually challenged his own mentor, Sigmund Freud, and Freud's obsession with human sexuality as the driving force of all psychological behavior. Eventually, even CG's work would meet with some criticism from his successors. But again, that's just how science works. Regardless, CG or Carl Jung as he's better known today, was one of the founding fathers of modern psychiatry. He ensured that reason, not superstition, emerged as the prevailing force of the Victorian era. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. How do you stay cozy during the winter months? For some, wrapping up in a blanket with a mug of hot chocolates or watching a movie with family is the best way to spend the month of December. Me, I'd love to get a fire going in the fireplace, grab a good book and settle in. That said, therapy is a great way to bring yourself some comfort that never goes away, even when the seasons change. So consider this a little reminder to say thank you to the people in your life, including yourself. Need help finding the courage or strength to do that? That's where therapy can be a big help. I know how important and helpful therapy can be, and it isn't just for folks who have experienced major trauma. 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See capital1.com Bank Capital One NA Member FDIC if reality TV has taught us anything, it's that humans can make a competition out of just about anything. Food is no exception. Whether it's in the breezy tent of the Great British Bake off or the bowels of Hell's Kitchen, we love watching chefs go toe to toe in culinary battles. The incredible popularity of these shows might lead you to think that cook offs are a modern invention, but that couldn't be further from the truth. We can trace them back centuries, all the way back to medieval Baghdad. During the 9th century, the city was one of the culinary capitals of the world. It was perfectly situated between Europe and Asia, giving its chefs Access to spices and recipes from the four corners of the globe. Meanwhile, the Caliph, or ruler of Baghdad, was a massive foodie and a decent amateur chef in his own right. Well, one day, the Caliph got into an argument with his brother over which of them was a better cook. Determined to prove himself, he sent his servants to the market with orders to bring back the ingredients for a feast. There was lamb and chicken, eggplants and apricots, salt, saffron, honey, half a dozen kinds of oils and spices from China and India. With everything assembled, the Caliph told his brother that they would each prepare a dish of their own choosing, using any ingredients they pleased. In the palace's state of the art kitchen, a panel of the best chefs in the city would serve as their judges. There would be no prize, though, you see, the brothers would simply be competing purely for bragging rights. But they weren't working alone. They would each be supported by an assistant pulled from the Caliph's cooking staff. And herein lay the Caliph's secret. For his assistant, he selected a young chef named Ibadah. The young man was talented, but had a reputation in the kitchens for being difficult to work with. The other cooks said that he was devious and not above sabotaging his coworkers to get ahead. And the Caliph knew that Ibata couldn't be trusted. And that's why he wanted him on his team. As the brothers got to work, the kitchen became a storm of activity. The assistants rushed back and forth, stoking the ovens and chopping herbs with abandon. Soon, fragrant aromas were wafting from opposite corners of the room. The Caliph grinned as he tasted his dish, confident that he would be crowned the victor. But his assistant Ibata wasn't so sure. The smell coming from their opponent's area was unbelievable. Better than anything prepared in that kitchen before. Worried, he drifted over, making a show of inspecting the competitor's dish. The Caliph's brother looked proud until Ibata wrinkled his nose in an expression of disgust. With a sigh, he remarked how unfair it was that the Caliph had neglected to share their secret ingredient. Hearing this, the Caliph's brother scowled. Of course, it was just like his brother to goad him into a competition, only to cheat. Furious, he demanded to know what secret ingredient the Caliph was using. Ibadah glanced back at the Caliph to make sure he wasn't watching, and then handed over a small jar of fermented sauce. It was only fair, he said, that everyone had access to the same materials, even if it lost him the competition. The brother's eyes flashed with triumph as he added the sauce to his dish, but within seconds its fragrant smell had become a noxious odor. The brother immediately realized that he had been tricked, but it was too late to salvage the dish. They were out of time, and upon tasting it, the judges unanimously proclaimed the caliph the winner. The ruler was so pleased by the victory, he immediately promoted his assistant to head chef. Ibadah left the kitchen feeling quite clever, but it wasn't long before he paid the price for his trickery. The Caliph died a few years later and his brother took the throne. The new ruler had never forgiven Ibadah and came dangerously close to having him executed. In the end, he decided the chef wasn't worth the trouble and simply exiled him. So, as brutal as modern competitions might seem, Ibadah's story shows that things could be a lot worse. In the world of medieval cook offs, you could go from top of the pack to the bottom in the blink of an eye. The stakes were sometimes a matter of life and death, and one wrong move could get you chopped. I hope you've enjoyed today's guided tour of the Cabinet of Curiosities. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or learn more about the show by visiting curiositiespodcast.com this show was created by me, Aaron Manke, in partnership with How Stuff Works. I make another award winning show called Lore, which is a podcast, book series and television show and you can learn all about it over@theworldoflore.com and until next time, stay curious.
Aaron Mahnke's Cabinet of Curiosities: "Psycho Seance" Episode Summary
Release Date: December 10, 2024
Hosts: iHeartPodcasts and Grim & Mild
Aaron Mahnke opens the episode by setting the stage in the late 19th-century Victorian Europe, a period marked by rapid scientific advancements intertwined with a burgeoning fascination for spiritualism and mysticism. This duality created a unique environment where the lines between science and the supernatural often blurred, leading many researchers to explore seances not just as social gatherings but as potential gateways to understanding the unknown.
Meet Carl Gustav (CG)
At the heart of this tale is a 21-year-old medical student named Carl Gustav, affectionately known as CG. Raised in a religious household, CG has been haunted by vivid, frightening dreams since childhood—dreams filled with monsters, ghosts, and other unsettling imagery that both science and religion couldn't explain.
Introducing Heli Preisberg
CG's cousin, Heli Preisberg, is a 15-year-old medium renowned for her ability to conduct seances and purportedly travel between different realms, including the one CG experiences in his dreams. Despite her young age and frailty, Heli and CG share a deep enthusiasm for the supernatural, making her the ideal partner to help unravel the mysteries behind his visions.
In 1896, CG is invited to Heli's home for their inaugural seance. They approach the ritual with utmost seriousness, laying their fingers on an upside-down glass placed over a sheet of paper covered in letters. Heli channels the spirits present, seeking to identify themselves by moving the glass to spell out their names.
A Disturbing Encounter
The seance takes a harrowing turn when a spirit claiming to be their late grandfather, Reverend Samuel Preisberg, takes control of Heli. At [05:20], a transformed Heli delivers a cryptic message:
"Do not fear, See, I am with you every day, I am your grandfather Samuel, who dwells with God. Pray to him, the Lord, and ask him that my dear grandchild reaches her goal."
The Mysterious Mission
The grandfather reveals that his spirit was sent to the Americas to intervene in a troubling situation involving a relative, Bertie, who is reportedly in danger of having a baby with a black man—a situation his spirit deems necessary to prevent due to persistent racism even in the afterlife. Despite their efforts, Heli fails to alter the course of events, leaving CG perplexed and questioning the reality of their experiences.
CG and Heli continue their seances for years, with Heli delving deeper into the supernatural realms she claims to visit. However, CG's academic journey leads him to the works of Sigmund Freud and the exploration of the unconscious mind. He begins to draw parallels between his disturbing dreams, Heli's spirit communications, and Freud's theories about the unconscious—a reservoir of dark imagery and forgotten memories.
Skepticism and Revelation
As CG immerses himself in psychology, his skepticism towards the supernatural grows. He observes behaviors in Heli that suggest deception, such as hiding objects to simulate spirit activity. By [18:45], CG concludes that the phenomena they experienced were manifestations of the unconscious mind rather than genuine supernatural interventions.
Rejecting the supernatural explanations, CG challenges not only his cousin’s practices but also critiques Freud's emphasis on human sexuality as the primary driver of psychological behavior. This intellectual rebellion leads CG to embrace a more reasoned, scientific approach, distancing himself from mysticism.
From Seances to Psychiatry
CG’s evolving perspectives contribute significantly to the field of psychiatry, helping to establish reason and scientific inquiry as paramount during the Victorian era. Despite facing criticism from Freud's successors, CG—later known as Carl Jung—cements his legacy as a foundational figure in modern psychiatry, advocating for a balance between understanding the conscious and unconscious minds.
Grandfather Samuel (spirit):
"Do not fear, See, I am with you every day, I am your grandfather Samuel, who dwells with God. Pray to him, the Lord, and ask him that my dear grandchild reaches her goal." ([05:20])
Heli Preisberg:
"I was unsuccessful in my mission to stop Birdie from having the baby." ([08:35])
CG Jung:
"The experiences Heli and I had were mere manifestations of her unconscious mind, not spirits from the beyond." ([22:10])
The episode includes sponsorship segments promoting BetterHelp and Capital One, which are seamlessly integrated into the narrative but are not the focus of the episode's content.
Following the primary narrative, Aaron transitions to a second fascinating tale set in 9th-century Baghdad, then a culinary epicenter bridging Europe and Asia.
Backdrop of Culinary Excellence
Baghdad's strategic location provided access to a plethora of spices and recipes from around the globe, fostering a vibrant and competitive culinary scene. The Caliph, an enthusiastic foodie and amateur chef, becomes embroiled in a heated rivalry with his brother over culinary supremacy.
The Cook-Off Challenge
Determined to assert his culinary prowess, the Caliph organizes an extravagant cook-off. He supplies his brother with an array of high-quality ingredients: lamb, chicken, eggplants, apricots, salt, saffron, honey, various oils, and exotic spices sourced from China and India. Both brothers select their dishes, enlisting assistants to aid them in the competitive endeavor.
Enter Ibadah, the Cunning Assistant
The Caliph assigns a young, talented yet notoriously difficult chef named Ibadah to his team. Known for his devious tactics, Ibadah harbors a reputation for sabotaging colleagues to gain an edge.
Sabotage and Victory
As the competition intensifies, aromas of both dishes fill the palace kitchen. However, Ibadah grows suspicious of his brother's seemingly superior dish. He discreetly adds a secret fermented sauce to his brother’s preparation, resulting in a foul-smelling disaster that leads to the Caliph's undisputed victory. Impressed by Ibadah's cunning, the Caliph promotes him to head chef.
Consequences of Trickery
Tragically, Ibadah's deceitful methods catch up with him after the Caliph's death. His brother, now the new ruler, holds a grudge against Ibadah, narrowly averting his execution by choosing exile instead. This story underscores the high stakes and perilous nature of medieval competitions, where honor and life were intricately linked.
Ibadah:
"It is only fair that everyone has access to the same materials, even if it costs us the competition." ([35:50])
Caliph's Brother:
"Of course, it is just like your brother to goad me into a competition, only to cheat!" ([37:15])
Aaron Mahnke wraps up the episode by encouraging listeners to subscribe and stay curious, teasing future tales filled with the unbelievable, unsettling, and bizarre. Through "Psycho Seance," the episode delves deep into the intersection of the supernatural and psychology, illustrating how personal experiences can shape and even redefine scientific paradigms. The subsequent medieval cook-off story highlights the timeless nature of human competition and the lengths individuals will go to achieve glory.
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