Nothing Beats Phone 4b with Ear 3a?

Summary

Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast — "Nothing Beats Phone 4b with Ear 3a?"

Release Date: July 10, 2026
Hosts: Marques Brownlee (MKBHD), Andrew Manganelli, David Imel, plus Ellis and Admiralina

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Episode Overview

This week, the Waveform crew covers a whirlwind of tech news: the drama and skepticism around AI gadgets and startups (with a focus on Pickle’s failed launch/refund and general AI hardware cynicism), deep dives on Nothing’s expanding phone/earbud lineup (including the new 4B phone and Ear 3A buds), and expectations for upcoming Samsung and Google device events. The team also gets into the weeds with smartphone feature nostalgia, Meta’s new AI-infused Instagram tools (and privacy/opt-out issues), Twitter’s in-app video editor, and app integration quirks with the iOS 27 Siri revamp. Laughter, light rants, and signature geek humor abound, with a running trivia segment on the idiom “in a pickle.”

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Key Discussion Points

1. "Did They Even Test This?" - Google’s Song Search Feature

[02:05]

• Andrew sings the praises of Google’s “Search a Song” feature, which lets you hum, sing, or mumble a tune to identify it.

  "Every six months I think of a song I can't remember... and I always find myself coming back to the Google Search a song feature. And it's great every single time." — Andrew [02:09]

• Marques reminisces about the evolution from Shazam and Soundhound to built-in OS features.

  "This is like the textbook Sherlocked example..." — Marques [03:52]

• They discuss generational awareness of 'Shazam' (old-timers know it as a music app; younger folks just see it as an iPhone button or think of the superhero).

• Google’s approach with Pixel's ambient on-device song recognition is praised as a “gimmick turned staple.”

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2. Meta Glasses & Creepy LED Workarounds

[07:21]

• Update: Meta is pushing a software fix to stop users from disabling the recording-LED on their smart glasses (critical for privacy).

  "That LED needs to be recording for sure." — Andrew [09:04]

• Discussion on privacy: universal desire for obvious recording cues, and hopes for notifications to people nearby in the future.

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3. Pickle: The Cautionary Tale of AI Hardware Hype

[09:07]

• Marques shares an email from Pickle’s founder: preorders for their "soul computer" AI glasses are cancelled and deposits refunded due to technical failures.

  "They were promising a product that clearly doesn't exist, with technology that's not available yet, and a price tag that seems impossible..." — Marques [11:21]

• Andrew recaps the outlandish promises and vaporware vibes of Pickle’s launch pitch (68g AR, world’s first “soul computer”, “memory bubbles”…).

• Widespread skepticism and consensus: Pickle joins the growing graveyard of AI hardware “vaporware”.

• They discuss other dubious AI gadgets (Friend AI, pins, pendants), expressing fatigue with under-delivered promises.

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4. Nothing Phone 4B ("Budget") and Lineup Confusion

[15:51]

• Marques recaps his review of the Nothing Phone 4B, emphasizing it as the most budget-focused Nothing yet—but noting inflated expectations as prices rise industry-wide.

  "That's why B stands for budget. They refuse to say it, but I'll say it. It's the budget one." — Marques [20:31]

• Discussion about Nothing’s convoluted product lines: flagship (Phone 3), A series, Pro, B-series, and sub-brand CMF.

• Insider tip: 4B was once going to be a CMF phone, but rising RAM/prices forced a rebrand and repositioning.

• Subreddit backlash over pricing ("Horrible pricing") and the introduction of a “chin” on the design.

  "People overreact to the chins and renders on phones they were never gonna buy anyway." — Marques [18:34]

• Specs recap [19:03]: AMOLED display, 8GB RAM, 128GB storage, big battery (with India/ROW variance), mid-tier Snapdragon 6 Gen 4 chip, two modest cameras.

• General verdict: Decent for the tier, but less hype-worthy given price creep and stiff competition.

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5. Nothing Ear 3A: Cheap, Colorful—But Why 'Audio Snapshot'?

[26:12]

• Launched at $99, four colors, shares design with the previous Ear series.

• "Audio Snapshot" feature: built-in storage in the case allows limited recording of audio/media/calls directly from the earbuds.

  "I can't figure out why you would want to do that..." — Andrew [27:07]

• The team debates possible (and potentially legally grey) uses—call recording, podcast notes, AI transcription, etc.

• Consensus: It’s a neat feature in theory—maybe aimed at the “AI memory” fad—but likely niche in practice. The value is more in the competent $99 wireless buds themselves.

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6. Upcoming Events: Samsung & Google's Not-So-Secret Launches

Samsung Unpacked — "A New Shape Unfolds" teaser [38:38]

• Marques and David dissect Samsung's teasers: a new foldable, leak-confirmed aspect ratio, and possible bifurcation into "Ultra" and "Wide" (midrange) models.
• Spec speculation: fewer cameras and a smaller battery might be used to lower costs, but rumor prices remain sky-high for both.

  "€2200 is $2500. That is expensive." — Marques [40:51]

Google’s August Pixel Event

• Pixel 11 glimpsed in official teasers, familiar visor design.
• Rumors of a "glowing visor" (skepticism abounds).
• Storage base likely shifting up—losing 128GB option, $100 price bump.
• Pixel Watch 5 coming in two sizes and four colors—"warm gold" and "pyrite" (matte/"fool’s gold") compared.

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7. Meta Muse AI — Image Generation & Opt-Out Anger

[49:48]

• Meta launches its Instagram-native image generator, deeply integrated with the platform and default “opt-in” for user content.

  "You can remix whoever's photos you want... and it's opt out. Which is." — David [50:50]

• Privacy outcry: everyone should go into IG settings and disable AI sharing.

• Meta also adds an “invisible watermark” tool—praised as the bare minimum, but critiqued as insufficient for wider misinformation/AI content marking.

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8. Twitter’s In-App Video Editor & The 'TikTokification' Dilemma

[56:06]

• Twitter adds a TikTok-style vertical video editor with green screen and overlays—currently iOS only.
• Discussion: Twitter wants to curb reposted (usually TikTok) content and foster “original” creation—hosts are skeptical this will meaningfully shift user behavior.
• Marques suggests monetization penalties for non-original uploads as a better lever.

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9. iOS 27 Siri “Walled Garden” Debate & Integration Details

[65:13]

• David's “sorta rant”: While Siri seems Apple-centric in iOS 27 betas, devs will be able to enable Siri context and deep integration for third-party apps—just not until the next Xcode release. True power will be seen after September’s official roll-out.

  "Will Google adopt schemas and app Intents, please? ...Without Google adopting that, it makes Siri half useless." — David [69:13]

• Explanation of app intents, entity, and intent schemas. Siri is moving to a more structured, developer-friendly system.

• Ongoing concern: If big players (Google, Telegram, etc.) don’t support these schemas, Siri remains handicapped.

• Debate about platform lock-in, open protocols for email/calendar, and end-user flexibility.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Pickle's vaporware:

  "This is probably not going to happen anytime soon." — Marques [11:21]

• On Nothing’s product chaos:

  "If I had to pick the epitome of Scott, I think I would pick..." — Andrew [03:45]
  (A running joke about ska/punk bands Streetlight Manifesto and regional loyalties.)

• On Meta’s AI opt-out:

  "We allowed like five companies... to be so deeply embedded...and they just keep screwing us over and over again." — David [51:12]

• On video content recycling:

  "Many videos from top accounts are simply stolen from other users sometimes five years after they originally went viral." — Twitter head of product via Andrew [57:21]

• On product price creep:

  "This is part of a larger trend of phones starting to cost more and more." — Marques [19:01]

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Tech & Trivia Interludes

• Trivia 1: “Who coined the phrase ‘in a pickle’?”
  Answer: Shakespeare, "The Tempest" [35:02, 81:53]
• Trivia 2: “Which Android version did the LG G7 ThinQ launch with?”
  Answer: Android 8.0 Oreo [84:25]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:05] — Google "Search a Song" feature appreciation
• [07:21] — Meta glasses privacy update
• [09:07] — Pickle AI glasses vaporware/refund story
• [15:51] — Nothing Phone 4B review/discussion
• [26:12] — Nothing Ear 3A and "Audio Snapshot"
• [38:38] — Samsung Unpacked: Foldable phone speculations
• [43:03] — Pixel 11 and Pixel Watch 5 leaks
• [49:48] — Meta Muse AI/Instagram opt-out
• [56:06] — Twitter’s built-in video editor and the fight against TikTok content recycling
• [65:13] — iOS 27 Siri dev support, "walled garden" vs. open protocol debate

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Tone & Style

Conversational, energetic, and irreverent “tech bro” banter—shifts between deep dives, meme-y references, pragmatic skepticism, and affectionate nerding out. Signature running jokes, group laughter, and quick-fire opinions dominate, but always grounded in first-hand experience and “for-the-fans” detail.

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For Those Who Haven’t Listened

• You’ll walk away understanding the present skepticism around almost all “new AI hardware”, why Nothing’s branding and pricing have gotten so confusing, and how ongoing privacy and feature debates shape the biggest platforms.
• You’ll also get a peek at how OS and app integration evolves—grounded in developer and user realities.
• And, as always, you’ll get a good laugh at the self-aware, sometimes exasperated, always nerdy Waveform team.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Marques Brownlee]

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[Admiralina]

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[David]

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[Andrew]

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[David]

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[Ellis]

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[Marques Brownlee]

Yo, what is up, people of the Internet? Welcome back to another episode of of the Waveform podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques.

[Andrew]

I'm Andrew.

[David]

And I'm David.

[Marques Brownlee]

This week, the Waveform Bros. I almost forgot. That's the new intro. Okay, this week we've got someone in a pickle. So many nothing products. Samsung and Pixel event teasers. So we'll talk about what we expect from some of those. A new Twitter video editing tool. And David apparently wants to rant about something.

[David]

Sort of rant.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, he wants to sort of rant about it.

[Andrew]

Sort of rant probably just means insane, right?

[Marques Brownlee]

He wants to crash out about something.

[David]

It's not insane.

[Andrew]

I'm ready for it.

[David]

It's a deep rabbit hole that I fell down last night.

[Andrew]

Life altering.

[David]

Okay, life altering.

[Marques Brownlee]

Nice. But first, did they even test this?

[Andrew]

I have a positive one today.

[David]

Whoa. You mean they did test really hard?

[Andrew]

Yeah, this is. We've probably talked about it on the pod before, but every six months I think think of a song and I can't remember what it is and I don't know any of the Words to it. And I always find myself coming back to the Google Search a song feature. And it's great every single time.

[Admiralina]

Six months on the dot, like to the minute.

[Andrew]

Not to the minute, but I did. You can look at your re. Quote recent searches. And my last searches were it's July right now we're December, then May, then January.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is the feature where you can just start singing slash humming a song.

[Andrew]

Yeah. So if you have the search the. The search bar widget and press the mic, the microphone button, then press Search a song. Under that it says you can either play, hum or sing a song. I basically just mumble a bunch because I'm sure like many other people you like know a song but you don't actually know the words, but you can still kind of sing along to it with just a bunch of made up words. And you can do that into the Google thing. And it works almost every time. It gives you some options and there's a good chance that one of those options are the thing that you're looking for.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's good.

[David]

Yeah. What was the song?

[Andrew]

It was, it was actually a street light manifesto song. I was trying to find out this morning.

[Marques Brownlee]

Very interesting.

[Andrew]

Can you sing it for us? Hand that thieves.

[Marques Brownlee]

The hands that. I'm starting to think you guys are like sponsored by them or something.

[David]

They have no money. They have no money. They have to tour all year to make ends meet.

[Andrew]

New Jersey natives.

[David]

Yeah, they're New Jersey natives.

[Andrew]

Okay. The homies. David's not, but they are.

[David]

Yeah, but they're spiritually from NorCal. Because they're from New Jersey. They're not Scott. But they're.

[Admiralina]

Cause they're Scott.

[Andrew]

They're Scott.

[David]

Oh, okay, let's move on.

[Andrew]

If I had to pick the epitome of Scott, I think I would pick.

[David]

Okay, we can move on. What I will say about you with

[Marques Brownlee]

this later, I do want to say this is like the textbook Sherlocked example where remember we used to have Shazam

[David]

as a separate app which Apple owns

[Marques Brownlee]

and I used to also. So I remember this is probably like almost 15 years ago. Shazam was pretty good for identifying certain songs, but. But Soundhound was pretty good at identifying other certain songs. So I was like, I can usually get a pop song or whatever on the radio from Shazam. But then I was taking like a pre college class at Carnegie Mellon in like audio engineering and one of my classmates was like, you gotta try Soundhound. And I was like, oh my God, it's so much better than Shazam. So it's like, if you knew, you knew. Soundhound is better. And so it was two separate apps competing to be the best at identifying songs. As you mentioned, Shazam gets acquired. It's like, literally built into your Quick settings on the iPhone now. And you literally do not need an app separately on your phone. If you have a Google phone, you can just hold. Hold it up in the air and it'll just tell you what song is playing without you even asking. And of course, Google Assistant, if you hum a song, can tell you it. Which is what Soundhound was better at than Shazam back in the day. But now. Sherlocked, you don't need any of them.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's built into your phone.

[David]

Yeah. I'm actually surprised that Siri never got rid of the Shazam branding, because I don't think younger people know what Shazam Is, because that was only a thing for, like, our generation.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

And it still is called Shazam. It's still the Shazam Icon. In your quick settings, when you identify a song, it brings up the Shazam app. I feel like. I don't know at this point. Apple should just.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's like a verb, though. It's a strong enough brand. It's like Kleenex. Like, I'm gonna Shazam it.

[Andrew]

It was. I think it's.

[David]

But you. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Now, for you older people.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

For us older people, we know what Shazamit means. Yeah. A fear younger than a certain age. And if I say Shazamit, maybe you don't know what that means.

[David]

Usually people just say, what's the song? And then it does it, you know?

[Marques Brownlee]

But do they not know that it's. I guess they don't know.

[David]

I don't think they know it's Shazam.

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't know.

[David]

When they think Shazam, they think the, like, superhero movie, the Shaq one, might

[Andrew]

be older than actual Shazam.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, the new one.

[David]

The new one.

[Marques Brownlee]

There's a new Shazam.

[David]

Isn't that called Shazam? Yeah, yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Damn. I.

[David]

The kid that turns into the big buff guy. Yeah, I know.

[Andrew]

I heard it was Remage Shazam.

[David]

It was, like, five years ago.

[Andrew]

That's definitely a remake then. That's crazy.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, it was apparently.

[David]

I think there's a second one, too. Anyway, the.

[Andrew]

I forgot about. I do use the Pixel, like, what's playing? Thing all the time.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Like, I just, like, instinctively. Yeah. At a restaurant or something, just double tap my, like, phone to just see what it is.

[David]

It's a great feature.

[Andrew]

It really is.

[David]

Google had this run for multiple years, where every single year, when a new pixel came out, they had new ambient computing features that just, like, lived on your phone. And it was so great.

[Andrew]

I was thinking of a studio video idea the other day. Maybe it could be a podcast, but, like, tier listing the top gimmicks on phones, like, which ones actually became things. Like, back then it was like, oh, this is cool. It shows that it can do it, but none of us really care. And then years later, you're like, no, I still use that pretty often.

[Marques Brownlee]

We could do like a. Like a tier list of those.

[Andrew]

Like, I think a tier list of,

[Marques Brownlee]

like, privacy screen is like, B tier, probably.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

On Samsung phones.

[Andrew]

LG Wing S plus tier, just.

[Marques Brownlee]

Or like, there are some bad ones too. Obviously the SOLI stuff with the LG phone.

[David]

Hemoglobin.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Vain ID the fact that.

[Marques Brownlee]

I know what you mean when you do hemoglobin is insane.

[David]

But yes, that was like an FG G7 ThinQ, baby.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

What a great, great phone. Yeah. Solely for sure. Cool.

[Andrew]

We also have an update I wanted to throw in here. Joanna Stern tweeted about this this morning, but we've talked about it on the pod. Also that Meta is pushing a mandatory software update to stop people's Meta glasses that have their LEDs drilled out. If you cover up the LED, it can. It knows that you're doing that and therefore you can record without it or you can't record. But people were finding ways to drill out the leds to kill the light for recording secretly, which is creepy and should never happen. Joanna Stern did a great video on it. We talked about it. Meta even brought it up at the launch of their last pair of glasses. Apparently they're finally pushing an update to stop people from tampering. I'm hoping that means they figured out how to anyone who's already done it be able to tell.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Because the way they were doing it was this extremely specific way that, like, I guess the glasses couldn't tell. It got tampered with. Yeah.

[David]

The current was still going through, but the LED was just not there at all.

[Andrew]

Showing. Okay.

[David]

So the glasses thought that it was still pushing the. The current to the led, but there was no led.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[David]

So I think they probably figured out a way around that.

[Andrew]

Yeah. I hope they found. I hope this actually works. I still think the light should be red, and I think it should be recording literally anytime the camera is accessing information at all. Because we saw that stuff about, like, activating AI and that's actually recording stuff, so.

[David]

And it should have pushed notification to everyone in a five mile radius recording.

[Andrew]

But while I wish it was, you know, those things were still there, give them credit. Good step. We'll fix that. Or hopefully that's fixed because yeah, that LED needs to be recording for sure. Okay.

[Admiralina]

Wait, you mean the LED needs to be lit?

[Andrew]

Yes. While recording.

[David]

Yeah, yeah, yes.

[Andrew]

Thank you.

[Marques Brownlee]

Another update. I got an email.

[Andrew]

Yeah, Marquez got an email.

[Marques Brownlee]

I got a certain email.

[Admiralina]

That's it. That's the news.

[Marques Brownlee]

It was an email that I, you know, I get a lot of emails. This is when I paused for a while and I was like trying to remember what it was even about. But it goes like this. Hi, I'm Daniel, the founder and CEO of Pickle. We promised Pickle one by the end of June and we missed that date. That's entirely on us and I'm sincerely sorry. We have decided to cancel this pre order, batch and refund every deposit. The units need more work to meet the standard we promised you. So we are returning your money now while we continue to build. And I went, oh right, I pre ordered a pickle. I did pre order a pickle. Remember, like how many weeks ago was it that we talked about these random AI months probably.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

These random AI startups that are trying to do interesting hardware.

[Andrew]

Well, Pickle was January Pickle.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah, that was one of them.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And they, you know, there are some people on Twitter who were sort of declaring ahead of time that they were not going to ship on time and they didn't, obviously.

[Andrew]

Well, yeah, if you forget what Pickle was we talked about in January, they were a pair of glasses. They were very slim, kind of funky looking. But like if, if you think about Snap specs and think about the what Pickle showed, these actually looked like glasses. The difference is Snap specs are real Pickle. No one ever thought was going, fair enough.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, that's debatable.

[Andrew]

I mean, I don't know. They. So they were what they claimed, the world's first soul computer. I was reading back our old doc on this and it's more insane than I thought. It was first ever soul computer. There are 68 grams had binocular full color AR displays, the widest field of view or brightness of any AR display. Glasses, Lightest personal computer in history. And they had a Pickle OS which was a memory based operating system that would through your camera and live streams record your memories and turn them into bubbles in Pickle OS that you could then look back on. And if it sounds like I just had a Fever Dream and went off the deep end, I promise. All of this stuff from the video and that was in January, and then Daniel park and them haven't really tweeted since February.

[Marques Brownlee]

I have a feeling a lot of the stuff that we talked about in that video probably aged very well because most of what people were saying when this video came out was like, oh, this is not real. This is. You're promising a product that clearly doesn't exist, with technology that's not available yet and a price tag that seems impossible. And like, all this stuff just doesn't seem realistic. And so now that I did put down a deposit and I'm getting this email, I'm like being reminded of those takes, which is like, yeah, this is probably not going to happen anytime soon.

[Andrew]

I think we went a step further and said, I thought the demos in it were fake. Yeah, there was like live demos that didn't match up with the resolutions they

[Marques Brownlee]

were promising and they tried to insist that they were real.

[Andrew]

I mean, it said live demo with Big Red and was recording. It had this like little cat avatar that could follow you around or different avatars and all this kind of wild stuff that just. It's one of those things where we're seeing these huge companies try so hard to make dual display AR glasses and then some guy comes out of nowhere promising all these things. It's just. It always seemed like it was going to be fake. Hashtag.

[Admiralina]

In their defense, at least they did a full refund.

[Andrew]

Well, here's what I'm confused about for batch one. When we made our recording in January, they were taking pre orders for batch 2, which is promised for the end of this year. So I don't know what this means. Is there going to be a batch 2 still, or are they just not going to refund batch 2 people till December when they clearly won't ship this in?

[David]

So to be clear, are they saying that they will eventually ship this product or are they just kind of giving up on timelines?

[Marques Brownlee]

No, they're. They're going both. They're still trying to ship it, but they're like, this needs more time. So the people who paid a whole bunch to get theirs early, we're going to refund that bit that you paid to be early.

[David]

Okay. But they're not giving a new estimated delivery date.

[Andrew]

No, I'm confused by refund in full because they just give you all your money back. Right. I Wonder if Batch 2 got their money back, would that then put Batch 2 ahead of Batch 1, since you got all of your money back and they didn't.

[David]

You didn't really get your money back because what's the inflation rate been since you put your money in? That's called interest free loan, baby.

[Marques Brownlee]

Damn.

[Ellis]

Do you still have a pre order or do they just give you your money back?

[Andrew]

Oh, you still have a pre order.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, you still.

[Admiralina]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

It doesn't cancel your order. It just means, hey, you don't get it yet.

[Ellis]

So do you have to buy it again? You have to give them the money back again when you want the glasses, I think. Or do you get free glasses?

[Marques Brownlee]

You didn't pay for the. You just paid a preorder deposit. Deposit. You didn't pay the whole price of the glasses.

[Ellis]

How much are the glasses going to cost?

[Andrew]

I don't even remember. It's like 1300 bucks or I think they're selling them for like 800 or 900 for if you got the early adopter. We're going to ghost you after you pay us rate. But yeah, this. This is so weird. None of them. The Pickle account hasn't tweeted since the launch video. And then Daniel park, the CEO, tweeted like one more time afterwards. And I've seen nothing from them. But it all just kind of shows the foreshadowing. That was Daniel Park's Twitter bio that said, I'm in a pickle. Thought he was being cute with that. Kind of bit him in the ass a little bit.

[Marques Brownlee]

Turns out to be accurate.

[Andrew]

Very accurate. Wasn't lying.

[David]

AI startup.

[Andrew]

Yep.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

All right. Well, we all. None of us think this is shipping by the end of the year.

[David]

Right.

[Andrew]

Forever. I. I'll go. Ever.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's in the same vaporware category as a lot of other things that we've talked about.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like the roadster and Robo Taxi.

[Andrew]

Well, Friend AI. All the AI pins.

[David]

Friend is technically available.

[Marques Brownlee]

Have one. Yeah.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Does it work?

[David]

Do you?

[Andrew]

I'm still not sure if you actually have Friend AI or some other AI like pendant. And then every time we talk about this, we're like, I don't remember which I'll double check.

[David]

But I think Friend I'm pretty sure is available. It's just like nobody uses it. Yeah.

[Ellis]

Why would they? Sorry.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, this one is the one I have. Yeah.

[Andrew]

We have another pendant also.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think I have two of this. Two boxes of this. I haven't taken it out the box yet.

[Andrew]

We need to take those things.

[Marques Brownlee]

Maybe I should.

[David]

That was the AI hardware era.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

That was like, it's already over.

[David]

It's over no one tell Johnny I've. I don't know if their product is ever coming out. I think a little fun with circular financing, you know, I think their product is coming out. Yeah.

[Ellis]

I've heard enough echo through the cracks of New York City that at this point they've thrown so much money and personnel at it that they've done the

[David]

same to the entire AI industry.

[Ellis]

That is true.

[David]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

That is true.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, speaking of products that did come out.

[David]

Yep.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. For real?

[David]

For real.

[Marques Brownlee]

We had the nothing phone 4B drop this past week. I reviewed it, did a video about it. You can watch that. The summary is the B stands for budget. So nothing. This is. I gotta get this right.

[Admiralina]

Okay.

[David]

Jesus.

[Marques Brownlee]

So nothing makes a bunch of phones that, that are budget friendly in price

[Ellis]

and that's what the B stands for, right?

[Marques Brownlee]

No. So they have a flagship phone in their own lineup. It's not a high end phone, but it is their flagship. That is the Nothing phone three. But it is a bit more budget than the like premium Snapdragon 8 elite flagships or whatever. But they also have the A series that is like a more budget phone than their flagship.

[David]

But not CMF, which is their budget brand.

[Andrew]

Well, yeah, but it's also the 4A.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. So they have a 4A and the

[Andrew]

3 is their flagship.

[Marques Brownlee]

The 3 is their flagship. They haven't done a new flagship because of reasons. Don't worry about that. But they have a four. Let me just go to their site

[David]

to make sure I'm getting this right, Ramses.

[Marques Brownlee]

So, but yeah, they have a 4A and they also have a 4A Pro which is like a more premium but still less than their flagship budget version of their phone. Anyway, don't worry about that. They also now have a B series phone and that is even less expensive. But they also have a sub brand called CMF that's even less expensive typically than the nothing phones.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

My theory was that this was going to be the next high end pro cmf. Yeah, but you know, we've talked about this RAM shortage and all the memory increase in prices and all this stuff and I don't think they would have been able to get the bill materials low enough to make another CMF phone for under 300.

[Andrew]

$300.

[David]

I got a tip from a source after our last episode about this that said that is exactly what was what happened.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, I feel very validated then.

[David]

It was going to be the CMF Phone 3 Pro or whatever and they knew that nobody would buy it at the price they had to sell it at. And then people would be very mad that it was branded CMF if it cost that much money.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's incredible because that's exactly what I said in my review.

[David]

Yeah, yeah. And so it's the only reason that they made it the 4B. Otherwise they probably would never have made a B series.

[Andrew]

Yeah, well, it's not working out very well for them because subreddit is not happy. Oh my. Two of the top three posts this week on the nothing subreddit are just. It just says horrible pricing and then one saying the nothing phone with a chin isn't a nothing phone. I mean it's a C people are not happy about. Actually, that's a really good point.

[Marques Brownlee]

I have thoughts on that. That's so funny. First of all, I do. So it does have a slight chin. I do think generally people overreact to the chins and renders on phones they were never gonna buy anyway. This does not have a folding us,

[Admiralina]

if you wanted to. Correct.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is Europe, Asia, India, Australia, probably some of South America, but not coming to the US. So it's 330 pounds.

[Admiralina]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And 300 great.

[David]

It's pretty heavy euros.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's 300 euros.

[Andrew]

No, great British pounds.

[Marques Brownlee]

300 great British pounds or 330 euros.

[David]

Are great British pounds different than American pounds? Yes.

[Marques Brownlee]

Either way it is not the cheapest phone in the world. But I do think this is part of a larger trend of like phones are just starting to cost more and more. And this is not instinctively like a really, really great deal. But it is a solid phone that is cheaper than their other solid phones. So it's an AMOLED still. It's not an LCD. It is 8 gigs of RAM still. It is 128 gigs of storage to start. It has a 6000 milliamp hour battery in India, 5200 milliamp hours in the other markets.

[David]

Why is it bigger in India?

[Marques Brownlee]

They have two different specs. One for India, one for the rest of the world. The India one doesn't have NFC because that saves a little money and India doesn't really use NFC that much. But they also fit a larger battery in it. So it's like they just have a different SKU for India.

[David]

So it's like the four B. B. Yeah, basically.

[Marques Brownlee]

B for basically. But it's also not a high end chip. It's a Snapdragon 6 Gen 4. It's like not a particularly high end chip. It's 120Hz display and that's nice. But it's like a pretty mediocre set of two cameras, 50 megapixel main camera and then an eight megapixel ultra wide. It's not blowing anybody's minds with performance. It's just like a solid nothing phone that's cheaper than the other nothing phones. So that's why BE stands for budget. They refuse to say it, but I'll say it. It's the budget one.

[Andrew]

My favorite part in the video you made is when you show the graph of all the performance. Everyone's just like, wow, Tensor. Really taking shots here.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. The Tensor G2 is right around the same CPU performance level as this super low end Snapdragon chip, which is also right around the same level as the OnePlus 7 Pro. Oh, it's not a new phone.

[David]

That's a pretty old phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's a pretty old phone.

[David]

I was still reviewing phones for a living when that came out.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm using a OnePlus 15 right now. So yeah, it's, it's definitely lacking. And I think the people on the subreddit are probably not going to be happy about the performance. They're probably not gonna be happy about price to performance ratio. But yeah, it's aight. It's a nothing phone. I think you could be a lot harsher on it if you were looking. If you're comparing it to other phones in its price class. Things like the Moto G stylus, things like, you could probably say something like the A series from Samsung.

[David]

They have way better software. I'd buy a nothing phone over a Moto G. I agree. Samsung, A series any day.

[Marques Brownlee]

Exactly.

[David]

So so.

[Marques Brownlee]

But different, you know, upsides for different phones in this price category.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And they're also all going to be getting more expensive, unfortunately.

[David]

Yeah. It's all about expectations and I think the fact that nothing sort of cemented because they just took the OnePlus approach from way back in the day where it was like the cheapest possible price for the best possible specs and then build the community around that.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's harder than ever.

[David]

Yeah, it's harder than ever to actually have that in the world with ram.

[Marques Brownlee]

What do you think of the design?

[David]

I think it's kind of ugly.

[Marques Brownlee]

Really?

[David]

Yeah. And I'm not in love with it. I, I don't love the like the sort of like matte blue.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think the color itself is nice, but the finish and the feel in the hand is actually kind of cheap. Unfortunately. It is a plastic phone.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

But I think it's cool that it comes in blue. The white version I think looks nice. All of these phones have black buttons so it's a nice contrast with the black button.

[Andrew]

I think it looks fine. It just looks like they got a little lazy in the camera bump with like nothing has all of these fun things they do which can make you be like, cool. This at least this is a really sick looking phone. And this was like we put the little glyph bar at a couple fake screws.

[David]

And this is very similar to the whole like Ferrari luche thing where if it wasn't a Ferrari, people would actually think it's kind of cool. If this was a CMF phone, I'd be like, that's like one of their best looking CMF phones.

[Ellis]

That's true.

[David]

But as a nothing phone I'm just kind of like, eh, it looks pretty.

[Andrew]

Something about the orange of CMF and knowing it's plastic, you're expecting the plastic where the nothing is like you're expecting a little more premium build quality out of it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah.

[David]

It even has the little like weird circle thing.

[Andrew]

It does have the circle. But didn't one of the other nothing phones have it?

[David]

Yeah, it's possible.

[Marques Brownlee]

What circle thing in the bottom. Oh, in the corner? Yeah, I noticed that I held it up next to the CMF phone. That shot didn't make the video. But it's kind of like, why is that there?

[David]

It seems like it's maybe because it was supposed to be a CMF phone and they just rebranded it.

[Marques Brownlee]

It feels like one of those things where like a mammal evolves and doesn't have a tail anymore, but they still have a tailbone. It feels like a vestigial like little bump on the corner of the phone. Like oh yeah, this is not a CMF phone anymore.

[David]

I think that the CMF phone sort of like moniker branding is having that little nub in the bottom corner.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, and.

[David]

And I would bet you.

[Andrew]

Except it's on the other corner, which is weird.

[David]

Oh well, I mean still. But it hasn't been in any nothing phones before, right?

[Andrew]

No, I don't see it in anything.

[David]

So I'm betting you that this was supposed to be a CMF phone and at the last minute they just made a marketing decision.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

Yeah, that's really interesting.

[Andrew]

Oh no, nevermind. This one does. What? What is this, the 3 Pro? No, this is this 3 Pro.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, the nothing phone has it.

[David]

Yeah, that's the 3 Pro.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, so they have had it in other nothing phones.

[Admiralina]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

But all right, it does still kind of Give CMF vibes.

[David]

Oh, is it 4 Pro?

[Marques Brownlee]

4A doesn't have it.

[Andrew]

What's that?

[David]

Oh, it's 4A Pro.

[Marques Brownlee]

4A Pro.

[Andrew]

Does 4A Pro?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, that's an A. Yeah. But it's a pro. Right, so it's. It's a little better than the A.

[David]

Just like Charlie XCX.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. There's also a 3A light, by the way. Did you know that?

[Andrew]

No. Are you kidding?

[David]

You know, we talked.

[Ellis]

Explain your Charlie Xia. What do you. What do you mean?

[David]

She's like their official ambassador.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. In case you missed the news, this is huge news.

[Ellis]

No, I think I remember this now that you.

[Marques Brownlee]

Charli XCX is a brand ambassador for nothing.

[David]

I'm so sad that they got rid of the scent from Twitter, from iPhone thing. It was so fun.

[Marques Brownlee]

That was a good time.

[David]

Because there's no way. There's no way. But you know it is. She does live in the uk, so. Look, people use Android phones in everywhere else in the United. In the world besides the US Everywhere

[Andrew]

else in the United States.

[David]

In the world besides the United States.

[Marques Brownlee]

So just to be clear, their whole lineup is A nothing phone 3, then the nothing phone 4A Pro, then the nothing phone 4A, then the nothing phone 3A. No 4.4B, then 3A Light, then. I don't think you. They don't still sell the 3A Pro. They don't still sell the 3A's, so they just have 4A's now. So I think 4A light is gone. There is no 3A light is gone and there's no 4A light. So it's just 4B now.

[David]

They just need to do what Razer did.

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't think that helped back in the day that.

[Andrew]

That actively hurt.

[David]

They just need to do what Razer did back in the day where they started branding everything the year it was released.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's what Samsung's doing.

[David]

Although, to be honest, they released so many phones per year that at that point.

[Andrew]

Yeah, that's the hard part.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Admiralina]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Well, they did release something else.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

The nothing ear 3A, which maybe is also a little confusing because the previous version of this was the Nothing Ear A and now we're on nothing three. Do they have a tier 3A? No, they didn't. No.

[David]

Then why is that 3A?

[Andrew]

I don't know, Tim. I would say to match the current volume. But that's four.

[David]

But that's four. Oh, somewhat. Akis needs to answer for his sins. I need to know.

[Andrew]

Anyways, 99 just like the original Ear A. The case looks just like the old one, which I use the Ear A at home. And the Ear three. Oh, maybe it's matching the ear number. So ears at year three. Okay, so that's what it's matching.

[David]

Sure.

[Andrew]

I use the ear threes at the gym here at work. I like the case of the Ear A better and I really don't feel like there's a huge difference between the two buds. So I would go with the cheap version any day of the week. Yeah, they're good.

[David]

For what they're price. They're good.

[Andrew]

No, they're. They're the earbuds I keep finding myself coming back to. I know I give nothing a lot of hell on this podcast, but for whatever reason, those earbuds I've been using for so long, I think those are

[David]

some of their best products for sure.

[Andrew]

And now that there's a $99 version, I think that's almost my like, go to recommendation if you don't have an iPhone and want. Yeah, AirPods.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

There's three or, sorry, four colors. White, black, yellow, which we've seen before, and now pink. My biggest issue is all of the color is either on the case or on like the inside part of the earbud that goes in your ear. Oh, so you don't see it. The other colors are just the black stems. So I think that could be pretty cool if they incorporated it a little more into the stems. They're also adding something called audio snapshot, which I'm going to explain and you can tell me what. Why it is the ability to. The case has 32 megabytes of storage in it and you can record. I'm. What you are listening to, it says, I'm assuming also what you are saying into the microphone, but also what you're listening to. And I can't figure out why you would want to do that. I'm sure somebody can think of something. A whole phone call, maybe locally.

[Marques Brownlee]

That would be cool.

[Andrew]

I was like trying to think of it if it's like, do you know

[Admiralina]

legal in some states that's.

[Andrew]

So they. They specifically say this is for personal, non commercial use only. Which makes me think is their weird lawyer way of being like, please don't just record a bunch of music off of Spotify and like steal it for a local backup.

[Marques Brownlee]

But yeah, how does that work? Yeah, so drm. Wait a minute, so you can record. So anything. Anything that's going to the wireless headphones. Like any feed that's playing, you can Record.

[Andrew]

My entire knowledge of this feature is one sentence that says you can record what you hear.

[David]

They don't give like what this is useful for.

[Andrew]

I'm not entirely on their website or I missed it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like if you try to screenshot certain apps that have like a Netflix video, it will not let you because you're not allowed to. If you are listening to copyrighted content and you record it with the feature in the app, does it still work?

[Andrew]

I have no idea.

[Marques Brownlee]

I guess we'll have to find out.

[Andrew]

Apparently it records and can store onto the case storage and then be accessed through the Nothing Extra app where you can then edit or share it. So you can definitely transcribe it, which actually sounds cool.

[Admiralina]

Yeah, I was gonna say that's one of the features. You can definitely record conversations because one of the things that they're showing on the website is call recording and you can save up to two hours of conversations and online meetings. And then in the app that's probably

[Andrew]

makes the most sense, especially if it's going to Nothing X app, they like all the AI stuff. So being able to save fairly certain

[Admiralina]

that's still illegal in some states though. It's like some states are two party. Like you need to tell the person I'm about to record. Is that okay?

[David]

Yeah, but the iPhone still has a record. This call feature, that's true. You know, it's not like it's up to you to follow the law. It's not up to like rules. There are laws. Yeah, I mean on the website it does say one of the features, it says capture calls plus media. I don't really see anything on the page that talks about what it's useful for. Oh, here we go.

[Andrew]

A call and transcribing sounds, new audio

[David]

snapshot and call recording feature lets you capture all the things you hear while better at active noise cancel. Okay. Yes, you're right. They just mentioned it exists. They don't really mention what you should use it for. I think since Carl Pay is so long on AI stuff, I think his probably intention for it is all of these like AI pendants and stuff are like oh, quickly record a thought that you have like these, these rings. A big feature of the rings is just to be able to like tell an idea to your ring so that it can get saved somewhere and then it. It's like your second brain. I would guess that is what they want to market these for too.

[Andrew]

One step further because you don't like to just do thoughts. You don't need to record the audio that's playing at the same time. So I think like conversations, meetings, we're seeing all these different things of like, how to record full meetings.

[Admiralina]

And so to that point. Have you tried it yet for meetings? No, because I tried it the other day when we had our special podcast meeting. No, it was. Was it notion?

[Andrew]

It was notion or Google Meet huddle or anything?

[Admiralina]

I know it does. It was Google Meet. And when we had our special podcast meeting for upcoming episodes. Stay tuned. I asked it to record and summarize the meeting. Just to like try it out, see what it did. It gave me nothing useful by the end of it. Like, it was completely useless. What was the point of letting you listen to this?

[Andrew]

That was probably Google.

[Ellis]

It's because Google makes money.

[David]

I just did a Google one and it was really helpful.

[Andrew]

I think it's short.

[David]

No, it was an hour long.

[Admiralina]

This was an hour long and it was complete. It was like, really try to figure out this. And I was like, yeah, but we resolved that issue. Like we solved it. And it like the summary just completely ignored the. The solution.

[Andrew]

To be fair, the majority of that meeting was like six people at a table and like one or two people on the video call. So it would have had to just listen to mostly people talking at a table back and forth.

[Admiralina]

That is. That is what a meeting is. No, no.

[Andrew]

But most online meetings are like excuses. I think most remote meetings are. All the individual people have their own microphone and.

[Admiralina]

Oh, I disagree. That's maybe for a fully remote company, but most companies are like sitting in a room with one or two people remote.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I think. I think the thing inside Google Meet is probably. I'm not trying to. I don't want to be the guy defending Google.

[Admiralina]

I like, I don't know how going back to this. I don't know how much of a useful feature this actually stupid.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's.

[Andrew]

But it's 99 in a cool pair of headphones. That's all I care about. I think that's why they're cool. Who cares about audio Snapshot? The stupid microphone microphone thing in Ear three no one uses.

[David]

So the microphone thing.

[Andrew]

Yeah, you don't even remember it, but

[Marques Brownlee]

a microphone in the case.

[Andrew]

It's like in the case so you can talk to your case like a road go.

[David]

I forgot about that. Didn't that not work because Android didn't support it or something when it launched?

[Andrew]

No idea.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think it. It did work and you could use it as like a mic for your call if you're in a super.

[Andrew]

And it sounded Bad. And then everyone told you weren't holding it close enough to your mouth, even though you were like, right up to your mouth, put it inside your mouth.

[David]

I will say, like, they have a bunch of press photos of people wearing these buds and you can see the

[Andrew]

color a little bit, but you could see it more if they just actually made the stems different. But it's probably too many. That's why I think the white ones look the best, because the stems are white.

[David]

There might be an element, though, of, like, you see a flash of pink or a flash of yellow in someone's ear, and it kind of makes you do a double take. Maybe that's what their marketing strategy is, is try to get people to look twice.

[Andrew]

I think their marketing strategy is the stem. They don't need to make four different stems. They can only make. They make two stems.

[Marques Brownlee]

I mean.

[David]

Yeah, that's their production strategy.

[Andrew]

Production. Yeah.

[David]

Yeah. Okay. Well, I don't know. They're still good. I mean, I would like to try these ones. They're generally good for a hundred dollars and. Yeah, you know, I like them. All right, well, since we have nothing more before our ad break except for

[Marques Brownlee]

trivia, then we should do that.

[David]

I guess we should do that.

[Ellis]

I really wanted to make this question about internal code names and pickle stuff, but I discovered today, if you search the words Google codename and then any word in in parentheses to like, force give you results, AI overview will just invent a fake Google product and say that was its code name. Any word. I pushed it really, really far. But today's question is about pickles. Because Daniel Park's bio, as we mentioned, is in a pickle or some. In a hashtag. Pickle. Hashtag in a pickle. Whatever. I got his name right, Right?

[Andrew]

Yeah. Daniel Park. Okay, cool.

[Ellis]

But I would like to ask you guys today what famous English language author actually coined the idiom, the colloquialism in a pickle.

[Andrew]

This was going to actually be about pickles.

[Ellis]

He was not the chance to use it, but it. It is regarded as the place where it became a popular phrase that everyone uses.

[David]

You say English.

[Ellis]

English. It's English language. The first usage I could find was about 40 years before this guy. But it seemed like no one cared about that. And then this guy used it, and all of a sudden everyone's been saying

[Andrew]

it's like stolen content.

[Ellis]

Yeah, exactly, dude.

[David]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Okay.

[Andrew]

I have no idea.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. No clue.

[Ellis]

I. I'll give you a hint. English language author.

[Marques Brownlee]

Got it.

[Andrew]

Just English language now.

[Marques Brownlee]

I got it now. I got it.

[Admiralina]

That's a really good hint.

[Andrew]

I think that somehow made it first I thought you said English author. Now English language. Anyone?

[Ellis]

He is also an English author. So.

[Andrew]

Okay, maybe so now back to where I started, which is I have no idea.

[David]

I have two. I think I have those two that I'm like thinking about.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well at the end of the video we'll just like pull out a whiteboard and just write down an on author.

[Andrew]

I'm worried about that part. I'm worried about guessing and looking like an idiot.

[Marques Brownlee]

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[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, welcome back. There are some upcoming tech events that we have to talk a little bit about. Not too much because we're going to talk more about them when they actually happen. But the tech companies are Google and Samsung and they're doing this thing where they're teasing basically exactly what's coming out by showing us what's coming out but not unveiling everything. Technically.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

We can start with Samsung here. Samsung unpacked. They have had this aspect ratio teaser thing going on on social for a while now. They have the official unpacked invitation which says, it says a new shape unfolds. I don't know how you could be any more clear about this. They're going to have a new foldable with a different shape. They even have a sort of a tear off animation so you can see exactly what shape the foldable is going to be. It doesn't get any more clear than that. Now we just have to wait to see the actual device and to see if any of our theories are going to come true about it being slightly lower priced or slightly more mid range than their Ultra foldable which is a little taller.

[David]

I think it will be because the rumor is that the Galaxy eight Fold is going to be called eight Fold Ultra.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

And I think this will probably just be Eightfold wide or something. Yeah. But without the Ultra moniker. And it's probably only gonna have a couple cameras. It's gonna be the mid range one, I think, which is kind of sad cause I like the passport style better.

[Marques Brownlee]

I also think it's kind of sad, but I also think it makes sense. Only because in Samsung Land and a lot of other companies, more cameras equals more pro. Yeah, like pretty strictly. The more cameras it has, the more pro it is. The Galaxy S26 Ultra has a bunch of cameras. If it's a lower end phone and it's cheaper, it has less cameras. All the way down to their very lowest end phones which typically have two cameras.

[David]

Yeah. Except for the iPhone air.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, so in Apple land it's actually kind of still true in Apple land, but the iPhone air messes it all up because it's more expensive than the Base phone, but it has less cameras.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

So 9 to 5. Google has price rumors. They're in.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[Andrew]

Are these euros? These are euros, right?

[David]

Yeah, Euros.

[Andrew]

So Z fold 8 256, 1999 Z fold 8 ultra 256, 21.99.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, that's not a huge difference.

[Andrew]

It's not a huge difference. Although I don't know the conversion rate very well, so it's pretty close.

[Marques Brownlee]

€2200 is $2500. That is expensive.

[Ellis]

That's a lot.

[David]

Yeah, not that close.

[Andrew]

But the difference between starting. That's 256.

[Marques Brownlee]

Damn. And €2,000 starting.

[Andrew]

So it's not a big gap though between them. So do we think it's just like slightly less screen real estate and one less camera?

[David]

So we think that's just going to be called the Z Fold eight?

[Andrew]

I think that's what people seem to be thinking.

[David]

That's dumb of them. They should call the Z Fold eight wide.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, maybe at the expense of making this podcast slightly more useless when the event does happen. What do we think the difference will be between the wide and the full size 8?

[Andrew]

I mean I wish it was only the.

[Marques Brownlee]

If it's the same chip, same ram, same storage, same display technologies, literally same refresh rate, just different aspect ratio and one less camera and less battery, it's

[David]

probably gonna be a chip from last

[Marques Brownlee]

year in the wide. Yeah, that would be another way of lowering the price. Yeah, but it doesn't seem like the price is very low.

[Andrew]

It doesn't seem. I. Okay, I'm starting to think it might just be the different aspect ratio and camera. And if that's probably slightly less total screen real estate. Right, True. Yeah. So that's probably the difference in a little less display, one less camera, just

[David]

the camera slightly smaller gets rid of

[Marques Brownlee]

the Ultra moniker and you also have a smaller battery if it's a smaller overall phone.

[Andrew]

Yeah, well, and I think the Ultra moniker here is less of that it's Ultra and more that the other one isn't. It's like a differentiation.

[Marques Brownlee]

Maybe it also has no s pen support. Maybe it also drops like some of the really, really frustrating fringe extra like software features or something that the Ultra has plastic maybe maybe privacy display on the Ultra or something.

[David]

Yeah, true.

[Marques Brownlee]

Stuff like that.

[Andrew]

It would be crazy to not put never mind who knows what they're doing.

[David]

Who knows what's crazy anymore.

[Andrew]

I was more worried about it being like a fifteen hundred dollar foldable. That's like lower on every single aspect of everything.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like A lower end chip.

[Andrew]

Lower end chip, less ram, worst camera sensors.

[Marques Brownlee]

Gotcha.

[Andrew]

Possibly like plastic back. Like that's what they did with Note Note 10 and Note 10 Ultra or whatever it was. Well, we'll see.

[Marques Brownlee]

July 22nd we will find out. That will be Galaxy unpacked. A new shape will unfold. The other one is Google and that is happening in August. August 12th. And they are also very, very clear in the photo of it. We literally get to see the Pixel. They've done a good job at not leaking everything into oblivion with the Pixel this year, but they are showing us what looks like the top half of the Pixel 11 which has that round, you know, pilled shaped visor like we've seen for the past couple of years. Not looking forward to a whole ton of change with Pixel design, but I will naively cross my fingers for a big improvement with Tensor. Well, and then we are supposed to

[David]

get the Pixel glow.

[Marques Brownlee]

Is this going to be a glowing visor?

[Andrew]

Don't believe it.

[David]

That's what the rumor is.

[Andrew]

No shot.

[Marques Brownlee]

Kind of feel like they would have teased that more heavily if that's actually.

[David]

I agree. But all the rumor sites say that it's probably going to be a glowing visor.

[Marques Brownlee]

I almost can't imagine Google teasing a new pixel that has a glowing visor and not teasing the saying the glowing thing is happening.

[David]

Unless they're trying to save it for the event, make it a big deal

[Marques Brownlee]

like it's glow time. Like they would be very on the nose about it. Yeah, that's Apple did a couple years ago, Siri.

[David]

But even though it wasn't glow time.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, exactly. We'll see any other leaks that we see with Pixel.

[David]

Yeah, they're apparently gonna kill the 128 base color, which is specifically for Andrew.

[Andrew]

Kill it.

[David]

Base model, not color.

[Andrew]

Good start.

[David]

However, it'll be a hundred dollars more expensive.

[Andrew]

Bad finish. That is a price hike. I'm tired of people say this isn't a price hike. It was the same height of pretending it's not.

[Ellis]

It's.

[Andrew]

Yeah, it's.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

A higher point of entry, AKA price hike.

[David]

I mean these companies kind of have to do this. Storage is so ridiculously expensive right now.

[Andrew]

They could have looked really sick last year. Now they just look like fools again.

[David]

Yeah, they kind of. They kind of jumped the gun there.

[Andrew]

Well, they might not be leaking the Pixel that much, but someone did find a watch 5 in the middle of the ocean.

[Marques Brownlee]

That did happen. Allegedly.

[Andrew]

Most people think we got some more Pixel 5 watch rumors. This does seem like it's getting a price hike about $50 for each variant. Which makes the new starting price 399. But what I hadn't noticed is the Pixel watches hasn't. It's always been 350. So five generations in for a price hike. I'll give them some credit there. It's still probably a little expensive for a Pixel watch.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

There'll be two sizes, 41, 44 millimeters. Both of those have a Bluetooth, WI Fi or LTE model. But there's one new color, so four total colors. Silver. A rats. I've studied this word and now I'm getting it wrong. We watched a sick video of some guy.

[Marques Brownlee]

Anthracite.

[Andrew]

Anthracite, warm gold and pyrite, which is fool's gold, which means. Yeah, they're the same color. I don't think anyone's expecting a solid gold pixel.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. When they say warm gold, is that supposed to be like some sort of a rose gold, like warm hue version

[David]

of gold, but not the rose gold for iPhone was basically pink. Right. But the renders of this do not look pink.

[Marques Brownlee]

But naming the other one pyrite, which just looks like gold, kind of implies that warm gold doesn't look like gold anymore.

[David]

I think that's why they had to name it something different.

[Marques Brownlee]

Strange.

[Andrew]

I'll show you the.

[David]

The renders.

[Andrew]

What if warm gold swatches shiny like

[Admiralina]

in the picture, and then pyrite is like matte.

[Marques Brownlee]

That'd be cool. I would actually be into that.

[Andrew]

That would be kind of.

[David]

Google just released the edition edition again. I mean, the what? The edition edition.

[Marques Brownlee]

The edition.

[David]

The Apple watch edition edition.

[Andrew]

So like this, the swatches kind of look like warm gold. Looks like gold and pirate looks like if you had a green gold colored crayon. But I mean like it's really hard to make gold a crayon. Which I guess would be the insane way of saying what Adam said, which is just. It's matte.

[Marques Brownlee]

You remember those 64 packs of Crayol crayons?

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Where there was. They had to.

[David]

Every single one.

[Admiralina]

I'm pretty sure one of them was pyrite. Unless it was maybe the 128 ones. But I maybe I could have sworn high.

[Andrew]

There's only the 256 base crayons now, so.

[Ellis]

I don't know.

[Marques Brownlee]

Y' all had 128 gigs of crayons back in the day. That's crazy, bro. I had that. 90s were a while. I had that 64 gig. Yeah.

[Andrew]

No, I does not look like there's a pyrite crayon.

[David]

It's not a pirate crayon.

[Marques Brownlee]

I just always remember pyrite being the one that looks like gold, but that is dramatically less valuable than actual gold, which is why they call it fool's gold. It also doesn't say a lot about the pixel watch. I call it pyrite, but we'll see.

[David]

I grew up in gold country. It's like where the gold rush happened. And so we have a mine that is still operating called the Empire Mine.

[Admiralina]

A mime that is.

[David]

Whoa. You're kind of mesmerizing right now.

[Marques Brownlee]

Audio listeners will have.

[David]

Adam was just miming podcast worst nightmare. Yeah, well, mine is still operating.

[Ellis]

Mime podcast would be so funny. Like, I'm in a box. I'm in a box. I'm still in the box. I can't get out of the box. The box is getting smaller.

[David]

But you can't talk as a mime. That's the whole point.

[Ellis]

Well, no, if you're a mime podcaster, then it gets reversed, and you can't do anything with your body, but you're just a narrator.

[Marques Brownlee]

There is no video version.

[Ellis]

Every podcast, no charades is regular mime.

[Andrew]

Right?

[David]

People already don't know if you're doing anything with your.

[Andrew]

Oh, no, yeah, you're right. You're right.

[Ellis]

That's why I'm doing the mime podcast. I'm explaining anyway.

[David]

But that's the opposite of tell us

[Ellis]

about your silly little mind.

[David]

All right. It's called the Empire Mine. Anyway, it's still operating. You can go visit it. It's cool. And when we were kids, we used to go there at school, and they would show us the difference between real gold and pyrite. And you could, like, buy some pyrite and take it home and fool your parents into thinking that you actually found real gold. And they're like, oh, my God, we can escape the permanent underclass. And then you go,

[Andrew]

april Fool's.

[Marques Brownlee]

You fool.

[Andrew]

You fool. So in this swatch leak that I didn't notice. This is new. New way mobile. I'm definitely pronouncing that wrong, but it does actually say polished for warm gold and satin for pyrite.

[Marques Brownlee]

Satin, Nice.

[David]

So matte. Okay, okay. Matte gold. I like that. That's very cool. Well, how do we transition this man?

[Admiralina]

Am I the only one that remembers a pyrite crayon? I cannot be the only one. I don't miss a Mandela effect.

[Andrew]

No. And people like their crayons. I remember there was a TikTok account once. That was just this girl collecting the like sunflower colored cray and that's awesome. It was way too entertaining.

[David]

I have a good idea.

[Marques Brownlee]

There's 120 pack.

[David]

Oh my God. Well, there might not be an official pyrite crayon, but you could generate a pyrite crayon with Meta's new Muse image model.

[Ellis]

Jesus.

[Marques Brownlee]

Kids these days will never know the reason.

[Andrew]

Wait, that AI is the Infinite Segue Glitch?

[David]

That's true. Yeah, that's true. But just generate a segue. Okay, so Meta has finally put out its first AI model from its super intelligence lab.

[Admiralina]

You say finally. Like, we've been waiting for this.

[David]

Yeah, yeah. Less that we've been waiting for it and more that they've spent almost as much as they spent on the Metaverse on it. So there's that. They launched it. It's called Muse AI. It is a image generation model. It's very deeply embedded in Instagram. Adam a series, very excited that there's a bunch of new Instagram filters you can use with it, things like that. He posted it and all the comments were like, literally nobody cared. Which is funny. The not funny part is that because it's very deeply integrated into Instagram, you can now, if you're on Meta AI, you can just tag an Instagram post or an Instagram profile and it will. You can remix whoever's photos you want. You can add. You can add people's likeness into your generated pictures. You can add landscapes that other people took photos of into their pictures. No, don't do that. And it's opt out. Which is.

[Ellis]

You're joking.

[David]

It's opt out.

[Andrew]

You're surprised.

[David]

So, yeah, I recommend that everybody goes into Instagram settings and ops out of this.

[Ellis]

Do it. Download the Instagram app.

[Andrew]

Well, yeah, I actually think you might have to because I don't have the app. So I just use the browser and in the browser settings on where you take this out, that option's not there.

[David]

Yeah. You know what I've been thinking about a lot recently, and this is very obvious and not a unique take, but we allowed like five companies, like private. Well, not private, but corporations to be so deeply embedded in the way that we, like, live our lives and like move through the world and they just keep screwing us over and over again.

[Admiralina]

There was some sort of protocol to avoid all this.

[David]

If only there were some sort of protocol.

[Marques Brownlee]

Here we go.

[David]

To avoid all this.

[Marques Brownlee]

We should have like a button we can press where the background music starts getting louder as Like David inches towards another protocol shout out.

[Ellis]

He's right. Like, that's the thing is like, he's right.

[David]

I know. Stop booing me. I'm right.

[Ellis]

This is so much crazier. On the tail of two weeks ago, the meta boss came out and made that statement that was like, look, we get it. We've tortured our engineers, like moving that many of them over to the applied AI team and making them craft these games and training exercises for AI. Like, we get it. We've like ruined the morale of this company. But new Instagram filters, baby, let's go. You want to look like some animal? It's done.

[David]

I mean, a couple months. A couple months ago. Oh, yeah, go ahead.

[Andrew]

I just could say not just any animal, an animal that I took a photo of and you still.

[Ellis]

Yes.

[David]

Yeah. No, I mean like a couple of months ago, Adam and Siri put out that like 20 post Instagram post that was like, careful guys. It's getting harder to tell what's real and what's fake. You gotta be really vigilant. We're living in difficult times, so here's more ways to create slop, you know. So anyway, they also launched a web tool where you can upload a photo to see if it was AI generated by Muse AI because it has an invisible watermark.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's nice.

[Admiralina]

Oh wait, that's good.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

I mean they did the absolute minimum. It's.

[Admiralina]

It's built into the app, but at least they have.

[David]

It should be built into the app. It should be built into the. Anything properly tagged.

[Andrew]

It should be tagged. Yeah, all of them.

[David]

I'm not sure if it will be tagged because I haven't actually seen any of these generations. They have some animations on their page and they don't look tagged to me. It seems like the watermark is invisible. Yeah. I don't know guys. We didn't expect meta do anything else.

[Marques Brownlee]

But is it just me or does an invisible watermark kind of defeat the purpose of a watermark?

[David]

Well, it's like you can upload it to a tool and the tool is the only thing that's able to see.

[Andrew]

It's.

[Admiralina]

It's up to the app developer to make a physical thing. Well, not physical, I guess, but like a label for you, the user to see, but the computer in the background would see it.

[Andrew]

I agree with you, Marquez. It's like this. If we're creating all these things with invisible watermarks, when X misinformation gets posted and 1 million people see it, then the follow up thing is like, oh, this is a fake image because we found the invisible watermark. 0.00 for 100,000 of the 1 million. See that front? It doesn't matter that it's. It's. There's a watermark that says it's AI.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like, all of the places where it's most important to know that it's AI are all of the places where you're least likely to check if it's AI or not.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And that strikes me as, like, a pretty important dynamic. I don't know how much more, like, watermarky they want to get with it, but, like, if I'm scrolling social media or if I'm, like, seeing an image that is just sort of passing me and I'm not going to, like, spend a whole bunch of extra time with it, I'm probably not going to check. Those are the ones that are most likely to be AI and actually matter.

[Admiralina]

But you shouldn't have to check. The app itself should see the watermark and display that information.

[Marques Brownlee]

It should, it should. Ideally, that works perfectly every time. I have a lot of experience with it not working perfectly. Hopefully it gets better.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

I mean, Twitter tries to say things are AI, but half of them aren't AI. It just seems like it's getting confused. Yeah, I've seen some of them are just Photoshops.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I've seen both. I've seen uploading a thumbnail to Twitter and it goes, this has AI. Let me label it. I'm like, no, it doesn't. And I've also seen random Facebook slop that just doesn't say it's AI either. And it's clearly AI. So I'm like, all right, this is not perfect yet, but it would be nice to see it.

[David]

It's almost like there should be a universal protocol where all of these can use the same invisible watermark in every platform.

[Marques Brownlee]

And it should be a French horn in the background every time he starts saying. It's almost as if.

[Ellis]

If you would like to opt out of this service, you go to your Instagram settings, look for the Sharing and Reuse tab and look for the header. Allow people to use your content on Instagram.

[Admiralina]

Turn that off.

[Ellis]

And with AI features on meta or whatever, I don't know.

[David]

But I turned it off before the podcast started. Yeah. Just because I know people try to do it, but no can do for you.

[Marques Brownlee]

These nice.

[David]

Yeah, opt out. Opt out is always lame.

[Ellis]

But to say that these alleged criminals, but not by me.

[David]

I think you are alleging that I didn't.

[Andrew]

I Didn't.

[Admiralina]

I didn't.

[Ellis]

I didn't allege anything. Meta legal department.

[David]

All right, well.

[Andrew]

Well, other social media news.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Twitter's new editing tool. They just announced their video editing and recorder tool inside their iOS app. It can basically do everything you're expecting a vertical video editing tool on a social media app can do which is overlay text and auto captioning and like green screen effects. Is this 2026 the year of the green screen vertical video recorder. Every phone.

[David]

Android added it into Android.

[Andrew]

Yeah. And doesn't Apple have it now also?

[David]

I don't think so.

[Admiralina]

It's in final cut. The auto magnetic mask thing.

[Andrew]

Oh that's like.

[David]

Yeah, but that's.

[Andrew]

This is like the. Yeah, like Android has it to now like when you're screen recording like every

[David]

reactions like you can react to the video behind you.

[Andrew]

They're saying that this is so Twitter users can now create original content. But what really was interesting about this is after Nikita tweeted Nikita Bear tweeted this, you know, new tool.

[Admiralina]

Nikita Bear.

[Andrew]

He is something product of Twitter. Yeah, I try not to listen to.

[Ellis]

He's a lot of power. He's the guy that's texting. Texting clavicular.

[Andrew]

Oh gosh, I don't even know. Head of product. Okay.

[David]

He's also an advisor at Solana.

[Andrew]

Okay, there we go. Made a great phone. Okay. Someone tweeted that this is the tick tockification of the. Or the tick tockification of the site continues which he responded a bunch of different things. We'll show the. The whole tweet in. In the video podcast. But a couple lines from that that I thought was interesting. He said many videos from top accounts are simply stolen from other users sometimes five years after they originally went viral. No, I mean I think we all know Twitter is pretty engagement farmy at this point. I mean a lot of social media is especially vertical video short form content. Likes to steal a lot of content.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

This is.

[Marques Brownlee]

I found this to be a one way issue specifically with TikTok going to all the other websites like YouTube Shorts has this problem. Instagram Reels has this problem. Twitter has this problem. Everyone's taking things from TikTok because people make their video in TikTok's editor and it gets the TikTok watermark and it's clearly a TikTok and it has the end screen when it's done and then that goes to the other site and YouTube hates that. Everyone has a different version of dealing with it.

[Andrew]

Instagram like penalized you for It, Yeah,

[Marques Brownlee]

if it was very clearly a TikTok, they would penalize it in the algorithm and they'd much rather use their tools. I think YouTube might have also done the same thing where if you have that like watermark or you know, end screen, that's TikTok. They don't like that either.

[Andrew]

So.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. What's Twitter doing about it?

[Andrew]

Well, so they're making their own so that you can then make your original content. But I feel like the, the issue with this is so many people like short form content because it's like pretty low risk, high reward, where you can make a 1 minute long vertical video with your phone and post it to four different platforms exactly the same. Yeah, we do it all the time. And what sticks on which platform is a total, a total guess. I don't know if anyone's seen Billy Madison, but there's a scene where they throw pickles up on a window and it goes falls down. Pickle mentioned come and they race the pickles. Like whenever someone asks me, what's your strategy for short form content? I like send them that scene. I was like, one of the pickles might go faster than the other pickles. I don't know. It's all a guess. So. So they now want to be the one making it. I don't think this is going to necessarily mean original content is going to be made on Twitter just because of it. And also, could I not just rip a video and bring it into the Twitter video recording tool and still steal all the content I want to steal?

[Ellis]

That's how next time I upload my full length render of the backrooms, all an hour and a half of it, I can have me doing a funny little jig like keyed on top of it.

[Andrew]

Or you just have to be like the 20% of the bottom just looking up in your computer chair like you're reacting to it.

[Marques Brownlee]

I honestly think their best bet might be doing the thing that has worked in every other dimension of encouraging engagement, which is just obviously penalize or make it literally ineligible for monetization if it's stolen from another platform. And you can pretty easily auto detect the ones that are stolen from TikTok because it has the TikTok watermark and the end screen. And I think YouTube shorts now if you make it in the YouTube shorts editor and export that it has a YouTube logo in it. So if Twitter wants to be so serious about being the place where you create the content, then you can penalize or even disqualify from monetization. The stuff that is stolen, the big accounts will not benefit from stealing. And then everything will start trending towards you having original content.

[Ellis]

You know, Marquez, it's funny you say that, because a big, big, big, huge part of the Digital Millennium Copyright act, dmca, is that in order to be legally protected from copyrighted stuff being posted on a platform you own, you need to be making a good faith, a quote, unquote good faith effort to remove it. Which.

[Marques Brownlee]

To remove it.

[Ellis]

Like YouTube, I think even though they're not awesome at it, like, you could at least say they're making a good faith effort. Twitter does not make a good faith effort. I don't know what it looks like, dude. The amount of full movies I get when I'm just scrolling videos on Twitter. Like, Twitter makes no effort to remove. I mean, maybe they. They do somewhere deep, but it's not. It's not good faith, I'll tell you that much.

[Andrew]

Yeah, it also apparently only matters if you're an iPhone user because this isn't on the Android app.

[Ellis]

Oh, my.

[Andrew]

Which they said they're working on, but I don't know, it's. I feel like this could have just been like, hey, we're releasing this. Let's not make it some big statement on how we're correcting stolen content. Just say you're terrible at removing stolen content and hope this enables some people to be able to make more original content. I don't know. It seemed pretty dumb. I need to start ending these ad breaks on a more positive story.

[Admiralina]

I got into my Apple Note that has been locked for so long and I finally guessed the correct password. So that is. That is my good news of the day.

[David]

Well, it was great for that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Congratulations.

[Admiralina]

Thank you.

[David]

What was the password?

[Admiralina]

The password was nice.

[Andrew]

Wait, I actually do know what it is.

[Ellis]

You can password protect. Apple notes.

[Admiralina]

A specific note.

[Ellis]

Whoa.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah. Not suspicious at all.

[David]

So your girlfriend can't get into it.

[Admiralina]

Fiance. Now LG G7. Thank you.

[David]

She discovers once in that note.

[Admiralina]

Nice. G7.

[Andrew]

3Q.

[Admiralina]

You mentioned it before it launched with what version of Android?

[Marques Brownlee]

What year is it? I can't even go in reverse order from today's LG phone because there is none.

[David]

That's true.

[Marques Brownlee]

So I have to go back to the G7. Okay. So G5.

[Andrew]

I think I know the year.

[Admiralina]

I'll give you an extra.

[David]

I know the year.

[Admiralina]

If you get the code name.

[David]

Can I say the year pick? No, the code name.

[Andrew]

LG has code. I guess there.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think I have the year.

[David]

I need to get A version of Android towards Shamu.

[Admiralina]

It's the Nexus we should okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

What Marlon answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.

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[David]

Welcome back. Okay, this is sort of a rant and also sort of a I understand something now that I think a lot of people might not understand.

[Marques Brownlee]

Does that mean you're seeing both sides of this?

[David]

I'm in the middle. Okay, so we're all using iOS 27 beta 3, correct? Not all of us.

[Admiralina]

I'm using Android.

[Andrew]

Android.

[Admiralina]

All right.

[David]

LS is not okay. Are you in beta 3?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes.

[David]

Marques and I are all using iOS 27 beta 3. Okay, so something that's been kind of weird in iOS 27 in general, the beta is that we've talked a lot about how all of the Apple apps have all this special access to Siri. Siri is the big update in iOS 27 and we've been wondering, you know, is Siri only going to be good with Apple apps? When I ask questions about personal context and it only sorts through my messages app, but it can't go through Telegram, can't go through Signal, stuff like that. If I ask it to send an email in Gmail and it just can't do it. It can like open Gmail, but it can't do anything else, you know, the big question has been, is Apple going to try to keep people in their walled garden where if you use Apple apps, everything's wonderful and dandy and nice and clean and beautiful. And I discovered an answer late last night. Okay, so as it turns out, Apple is allowing developers to, you know, allow their apps to give personal context, all of this stuff, to Siri.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes.

[David]

But the current version of Xcode that's in beta does not allow you to ship apps with these functions yet.

[Admiralina]

Mm.

[David]

So right now, you can do them in TestFlight. So if you have a test flight version of an app, you can see what Siri might be able to do with it once everything comes out. Everyone's sort of, you know, not officially reviewing Siri, but everyone's just posting about, like, here's what Siri can do. Here's what Siri can't do. Everyone's frustrated, and it turns out we're not actually going to see the full capabilities of the new Siri until it officially launches on, like, that iPhone 18.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes. In September.

[David]

In September.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. I think this is something that I found to be generally true for a lot of, like, a lot of the big iOS updates. You'll see a lot of your apps get that update in September.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So they're not pushing. Like, when we got Liquid Glass, we had, like, months and months during the summer of, like, oh, okay, what? Developers are going to embrace Liquid Glass? And not a whole lot of them did. And then September happened and the new iPhone came out, and then everyone got the update, and then a bunch of our most popular apps started to get Liquid Glass.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think that's generally true about most of the big stuff in iOS. Whether it's adopting new features or new plugs that developers can jump into, that stuff will wait until the September drop.

[David]

Yeah. I think that the confusion around this is that we talked a lot about app intents. Right. Which is this ability for apps to have this list of functionality that can be used in shortcuts. And that's been around for a long time. That's been around for, like, five years. But the new version of iOS is introducing two new things. It's introducing entity schemas and intent schemas. And entity schemas are like index cards. It tells the app, this is a recipe. It has Siri. This is a recipe. This is a photo. This is a note. Siri can read those cards and it can answer however it needs to use that.

[Marques Brownlee]

And it has, like, a set number of category things.

[David]

Yes. As far as I understand, there are a ton. Yeah, there are, like, a lot. There used to be not that many when it was on an older version of Shortcuts, but now there's like a ton of.

[Marques Brownlee]

I heard. I was listening to a podcast with the Flighty developers. Apparently Flights is not one of them yet.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And they were like, please add that.

[David]

Yeah, that seems like one of them. That should be there.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

And then there's Intent Schemas, which is the app that can tell. The app can tell Siri, like what buttons it's allowed to press, sort of, you know. So I think this is, this is just a very different way than Google looks at the AI version of Gemini using your phone. Because Google's like, we're just going to have Gemini agentically press buttons on.

[Marques Brownlee]

Figure it out.

[David]

Yeah, figure it out. And this is a very classic Apple mentality of like, we will give you the limited tools that we expect people are going to want to use. And to Apple's credit, apparently that list is very, very long. Although it apparently does not include flights.

[Marques Brownlee]

Flights, yeah.

[David]

Which is annoying for Flighty. Very annoying for Flighty. But the developers I talked to over the last couple of days were very, very positive and excited about like when this officially launches. And they were very intent on being like, hey, we're not really seeing the full version of the new Siri right now. It's only in Apple's apps because Apple's apps have all these capabilities and they're sort of seen as like the, this is what your app should be able to do. But until, yeah, until it officially launches, I don't think we're going to be able to see everything. So the big question is still, will Google adopt schemas and app Intents, please? The newer version of App Intents. Yeah, it would be really nice. We really need to push them to do that because again, without Google adopting that, it makes Siri half useless.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So just for an example, for that to be clear, like right now if I ask about, like, where am I going to be in a week? It will go, okay, you're asking specifically for a calendar event. So now let me search for a calendar event. Let me look at what all of the developers on this phone have labeled as Calendar events. Yeah, right now that's just Apple Calendar because that's Apple's app. And then the other apps have been updated yet in the future, we are hoping that other Calendar apps, specifically Google Calendar, will also label all of their events as calendar events using this built in tool so that Siri will be able to see those and will be able to pull from that app and answer it.

[David]

Right.

[Marques Brownlee]

So as of right now, we just have Apple's apps which like, as I test Siri. I'm just getting like, stuff from Google Photos, stuff from Google. Oh, sorry. Stuff from Apple Photos, stuff from Imessage, stuff from my calendar and it's pretty simple. It also fails at answering a lot of things because I say, do you know this about me? And it goes, no, but if I ask where was I? It will pull from the geolocation of the photos that I took on those dates. So that's pretty cool. Yeah. From Apple Photos. But it would be nice if there was some more third party support.

[David]

Yeah. And the reason this is very confusing is because again, App intents have existed for a long time, but the old version of App Intents was much more limited to the things that it could do because those are integrated to shortcuts. So everything that shortcuts can do, Siri AI should be able to do. But now, because we're introducing these new schemas, it's going to be a lot more flexible. There's going to be a lot more things that it'll be able to do. So I've been seeing people tweeting like a lot throughout the week, like, oh, has anyone actually seen any apps that support the new Siri yet? It's kind of weird. That's not out. The reason it's not out is because Apple literally does not allow it to be out yet. So hopefully we'll see it in the

[Marques Brownlee]

full version in fall.

[David]

I want to clear that up.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah. So wait, so the rant is. It's not out yet?

[David]

The rant is that it's not a really. Well, this is why I said it's not really a rant. I'm just sort of clarifying because a lot of people are like, a lot of people are thinking, is this another Apple walled garden approach of only letting the new Siri be magical with Siri or with Apple apps? And if you like, because I use Telegram a lot. Right.

[Andrew]

Yep.

[David]

It can't pull any of my personal contacts from Telegram right now. But if Telegram supports app schemas when iOS27 officially launches, then I'll be able to pull messages from Telegram. Personal contacts from Telegram. Yeah, Google Gmail. If Google supports it. We really need you to support this. Google, if you do not support this, Siri is like semi useless.

[Admiralina]

Just like how they put YouTube on the Apple Vision Pro.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's. That's the thing they did.

[Andrew]

Sounds really funny to be like no one cared. Hey, Google, please save Siri.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, that's.

[Andrew]

That's just the way you're saying, I

[Marques Brownlee]

know, I Know, is it in Google's best interest? I guess. Okay, this is actually a real question.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Is Google so ubiquitous and powerful enough that it's actually better for them to not support this because it makes Siri worse and it makes you more likely to want to use a phone that it does work on, or is it not powerful enough and you're going, wow, Siri doesn't work with Gmail. Let me switch to Yahoo Mail. Like, I think you're probably going to keep using Google services no matter what. Right. So if it doesn't, if they choose not to support all these Siri intents, what does that mean for users?

[David]

Yeah. Okay, so I talked to Matthew Casanelli about this. He was on the Shorts Shortcuts team when it got acquired by Apple. So he's like, very well versed in this stuff. And I asked him about this because I was like, hey, Gmail shows suggest, like they show ads inside of Gmail when you open Gmail. So wouldn't Apple not be incentivized or wouldn't Google not be incentivized to allow Apple to just give you the information instead of opening the app? And he said, that's kind of true, but at the same time, Google is already planning for a future where ads that are shown in front of you are not their main revenue driver.

[Marques Brownlee]

True.

[David]

So he thinks that the experience benefit of the app, having a good experience is going to be more important than actually opening the app in the future. Now, that's probably a lot more true for smaller individual developers than it is for, like, Google, who just wants to monopolize your eyeballs all the time. But it, there's still, I don't know, you gotta weigh the pros and cons there.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I do. I, I feel like if you're a smaller, more competitive developer, you have others who are in the same class as you. You're like, oh, I definitely want to support this because all my competitors will, and if I don't support it, people might not want to use my app. But if you're Google, that is an interesting place to come from. I hope they support it.

[Admiralina]

I feel like there is a little bit of pressure on Google, though, to support it. Because if you have a bad experience in the Gmail app on iPhone, you'll probably just download a different mail app or whatever.

[Andrew]

Or you're not sitting there being like, oh, my iPhone's broken. Yeah. Why did I sound like an Australian?

[Marques Brownlee]

Very Australian.

[Andrew]

But yeah, they're going to be like, Google's being a pain in the neck right now. And also, just like Google wants people on their services. If your services sucked on the hardware that 85% of Americans use, well, they actually, you're shooting yourself in the chances

[Admiralina]

are they'll switch email apps before they switch phones.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, well, they switch email services.

[David]

The reason they can switch email apps is because email is a open protocol.

[Admiralina]

Get the French horn. Get the French horn.

[David]

So I will say, honestly, yeah, if Google doesn't support this stuff, I would probably switch email apps. I'm not like that tied to Gmail, the Gmail app. I just use it because I've always used it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

But if Siri could pull personal contacts from a different.

[Admiralina]

From like Outlook or something.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, the thing is, you're saying you're switching your app, but like I switched to Notion Calendar, but Notion Calendar has to pull from Google Calendar the service.

[David]

Right.

[Marques Brownlee]

So is Notion Calendar able to show those flags?

[David]

I guess. Apple Calendar. Apple. Apple. Okay.

[Andrew]

Cal.

[David]

Wait. Calendar.

[Marques Brownlee]

If I do Calendar, for example, I

[David]

mean, it would be whatever. Calendar app supported the schemas.

[Admiralina]

I think Calendar or Mail, because you're just logging into your Google account on both of them. So it's being reflected on Apple. Like, it's not the main thing.

[David]

Well, if you sync your Google Calendar to your Apple Calendar. Yes. It's also pull the data from the Apple Calendar app, which doesn't always transfer correctly.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, that's. That's a whole other dimension that I'm not as an expert about. Like, I, I don't think it would like. Okay. Imessage, if I search for it in Siri, it has the entire history of all my imessages ever.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Because I can just pull from that.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

But if I have Gmail, the app on my phone that's not storing locally, all of the emails I've ever had and all of the attachments I've ever had.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So it has, it has the ability to go look that stuff up. Now if I use a different email app that's even less connected, that's now able to pull from Gmail the service, but it's not. It's storing probably even less locally than the Gmail app.

[David]

But it could probably. Siri could probably do a thing where it searches within the email app and then pulls the context out and just surfaces it to you without actually like.

[Marques Brownlee]

And theoretically that's the same level of access. If it, if it knows to go search the cloud, it should be because

[Admiralina]

of beauty of protocols.

[David]

Because of.

[Marques Brownlee]

I hope so.

[Admiralina]

Yeah.

[David]

All right.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm rooting for this protocol, to be

[David]

fair, to be fair, email and Calendar are like the worst examples of this because those are already open protocols. And so you should be able to sync those, your calendar and your email to Apple Calendar and Apple Mail. Anyway.

[Admiralina]

Yeah. Photos is probably the better example.

[David]

Photos is a good example.

[Marques Brownlee]

Google Photos, flights, I guess, like, WhatsApp is another one. Remember you used to not even be able to have WhatsApp on multiple devices at the same time.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So if you wanted to search your WhatsApp history from your iPad, you'd be like, well, I don't know anything about WhatsApp because that's on your iPhone. So that's another one. Yeah.

[Ellis]

Browser histories for freaking recipes. That's where. That's the only place in my life where I need this. Do you know how annoying it is to be like, dude, I found the best chicharrones recipe ever. And you can't remember. You didn't save the link. And you just want to know how much lime juice to add. Oh, and so you gotta.

[David]

That's your right.

[Marques Brownlee]

You'd have to use.

[David]

Right now you have to use Siri.

[Ellis]

If you want to go, you gotta go back to Google, find it. You gotta click on a web page, you gotta roll through some childhood story of going to the Dominican Republic. Just. That's just to get to the. How is it my fault?

[Andrew]

Because when you find a good recipe and you cook it and you know it's good, you immediately copy all of the important parts into a note somewhere.

[Ellis]

No, no, no.

[Andrew]

Yes. Or Google Doc.

[Ellis]

You find a good recipe and you make it and it's good. You go and then you forget because you're full. That's a perfectly understandable experience.

[Andrew]

You didn't enjoy it enough then?

[Ellis]

No, I enjoyed it so much that

[Andrew]

I never want to again. Yeah.

[Ellis]

Oh, my God. There's so many recipes where I'm like,

[Marques Brownlee]

you don't know if it's good enough to save until you eat it. So you have to eat it first.

[Ellis]

Exactly.

[Andrew]

And then make sure you're not sick the next morning.

[Marques Brownlee]

And then who knows?

[Andrew]

I don't know. I save them. Or how many days are you going before you're like, oh, that was a good recipe four months ago. And now I have to find all the time you buy next day. You should at least be like, that was good. I should save that recipe. And then it's right there.

[Ellis]

No, no, no. This is why they're inventing the robots, Andrew. This is exactly why.

[Andrew]

If there's anything I really wanted AI for it's terrible recipe website.

[Marques Brownlee]

Maybe we'll pull from browser history. We'll see.

[David]

I mean, yeah, if you use Safari right now.

[Marques Brownlee]

If you use. If you use Safari specifically and which

[Andrew]

one of us uses Safari, it's also your fault. Oh, my goodness.

[Admiralina]

Okay, wait. I do want to formally apologize to Ellis on the podcast because I have started using Safari again and it is a good browser.

[Andrew]

That's.

[David]

I never said it was a. I

[Andrew]

don't think Adam's opinions have any weight when he switches things every three months.

[Admiralina]

Yeah, that's why I wanted to try it. I was like, you know, I haven't tried Safari in a long time. I'm always talking about it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Let me actually just try it out next week.

[Andrew]

It's not bad.

[Ellis]

Next week.

[Andrew]

Pixel Browser is so much better than Safari.

[David]

Pixel browser.

[Andrew]

Pickle browser.

[Admiralina]

The Pickle browser. I think you're talking about the.

[Marques Brownlee]

Come back to Ark Vivaldi. Ark Mobile is a solid browser.

[David]

Ark Mobile, solid. I still use it.

[Andrew]

Arc Browser is that building they just found in Manhattan.

[David]

It's a deep cut and potentially a deep collapse. All right, jeez. Trivia, trivia, trivia. Anyway, Google support this stuff because I want to use Siri also.

[Ellis]

Just.

[David]

Just better.

[Ellis]

Just for the record.

[David]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

I know how much lime juice to put.

[Andrew]

If you try.

[Ellis]

It's more about the air fryer time. You know, I just can never. Because, like, there's the perfect, like, temp and time, and you're like, how much was that the last time? And it's not like I'm buying a pork shoulder every week. Okay. This is.

[David]

This is.

[Ellis]

Anyway, guys, I'm in a pickle. I'm not in a pickle. I'm fine. But who said, oh, I'm in a. That was pretty cool.

[David]

It was an English writer.

[Ellis]

Yes, an English writer from England.

[Marques Brownlee]

Name an English writer.

[Andrew]

Does spelling count?

[Ellis]

No, get it, Andrew.

[Admiralina]

It's pretty easy to spell. Harry Kane. I don't know what you're talking about. World cup joke.

[Ellis]

He's a. He's a. He's a. He's an author with his foot. He writes foot poetry.

[Andrew]

Did you see him trying to talk after that game? He had, like, no voice. It was pretty awesome. Although I wanted Mexico to win.

[Ellis]

I'm so excited to see what you guys wrote.

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't know any authors. J.J. abrams. You guys wrote the same one. That is interesting.

[Ellis]

That's the only.

[Andrew]

Literally the only thing I can think of.

[David]

There's one other one.

[Andrew]

Oh, and all of us.

[David]

C.S.

[Ellis]

lewis, J.R. tolkien. There's plenty of people who write English writers.

[David]

Marquez wrote J.J. abrams.

[Ellis]

Is he English?

[Marques Brownlee]

I was trying to think of an author and I was like, there's one that has like a J. Something something.

[David]

He's a movie director.

[Marques Brownlee]

I know this isn't an author. I couldn't think of Jer.

[Andrew]

Whatever. Bumblebee came down and said, wait, is this right? I'm in a pickle, guy.

[David]

I don't know. Is this right?

[Ellis]

That is correct. I'm in a pickle is a Shakespearean

[David]

turn of phrase from right to me. The play called Romeo. And I'm in a pickle. Othello. Othello.

[Andrew]

Hamlet.

[David]

Hamlet also.

[Ellis]

No, it's from the Tempest.

[Marques Brownlee]

Nobody knows about that.

[Ellis]

And he used it in a slightly different.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's like a three hit wonder.

[Andrew]

He used it in a different way. Was he physically in a pickle?

[Ellis]

Slightly. Slightly different way. He used it to say. Here, I can read you the exact quote.

[Andrew]

Thou art in thy pickle.

[Ellis]

And Trinculo is reeling ripe. Where should they find this grand liquor that hath gilded them? How canst thou in this pickle? Then Trinculo responds, I have been in such a pickle since I saw you last. I fear me will never out of my bones. I shall not fear fly blowing. Which is Shakespearean English for saying, I drank so much alcohol that if I were to die, my body would be preserved and the flies could not grow magnesium.

[Andrew]

Yo, that's fire.

[David]

Holy.

[Admiralina]

This guy's.

[Marques Brownlee]

This guy's good. When you first read it, I was like, this is kind of trash. But now that you said the way it is today, that's pretty good.

[Andrew]

Now that you tried translated it for me.

[Admiralina]

The fact that Marquez said he's a three hit wonder. I heard that when they didn't have.

[David]

Wow.

[Marques Brownlee]

Name four Shakespeare things.

[David]

Hamlet. Hamlet. Hamlet.

[Ellis]

Romeo and Juliet.

[Andrew]

That's the Hamlet. And there you go.

[Ellis]

King.

[David]

King Jordan.

[Ellis]

What's the. Wait.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wow.

[Ellis]

I guess I can't name a four.

[Andrew]

Transformers.

[David]

Transformers.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's okay to be a 32 wonder.

[Andrew]

That's cool. It's better.

[Ellis]

Midsummer Night's Dream is boom.

[David]

Dude, before they had Tick tock, people got good at stuff. It was crazy.

[Admiralina]

Dude.

[Ellis]

Before TikTok, people had hobbies. It's crazy.

[David]

Yeah, like writing.

[Ellis]

I know.

[David]

I don't know. Wait, this reminds me of something I want to tell you. So you know. You know the phrase don't cry over spilled milk? That's from Frankenstein, but it's actually from Frankenstein's monster.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's the thing.

[David]

Every time. Don't think Frankenstein's monster said. I don't think Frankenstein's father said that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Anyway, it was Final Jeopardy, like, two days ago.

[David]

It's like.

[Marques Brownlee]

Actually, it's Frankenstein's mom.

[David]

The actual phrase is the milk that is spilled cries, not out afterwards.

[Admiralina]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Oh, that's. That's also a bar. I like that.

[Admiralina]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Good job, Mary Shelley.

[Admiralina]

I know. Don't. Solid. All right, let's dumb this down a bit. Well, that's just the LG G7 ThinQ launched with what version of Android Hemoglobin

[Andrew]

ID thou veins will run through doubt camera

[David]

thou. Well, twist thou palm and you're at 17 today.

[Andrew]

So.

[David]

Are we on 17?

[Admiralina]

Quick update on the score while you guys write the answers. Marquez with 32, Andrew with 28. David with 33. Flip him and read. What do you got?

[Marques Brownlee]

Think about this.

[David]

Oh, shoot.

[Marques Brownlee]

Andrew, no shot. You're both right again. This would be so tough.

[Andrew]

I don't think we're both terrible for the program.

[David]

It might be nine.

[Andrew]

I was actually thinking nine, but ten

[David]

just seemed like Andrew and I both wrote ten.

[Admiralina]

You both wrote ten?

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Please, please, please. I was going to.

[Andrew]

Is it 9, Marquez, what you say?

[Marques Brownlee]

I said 11.

[Admiralina]

11.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. 9.

[David]

Nope.

[Andrew]

Is it 9?

[David]

Android Oreo 8.0.

[Admiralina]

8.0.

[Andrew]

Oh, wow. Glad I was. We were too wrong either way.

[David]

Yeah, I'm glad I was more wrong.

[Marques Brownlee]

I am more happy about you being wrong than I am mad about me being wrong.

[David]

Yeah, it's not only doesn't do great for our reputation.

[Marques Brownlee]

I just wouldn't have been able to.

[Andrew]

What year was it?

[Marques Brownlee]

Two points. So 11.

[Andrew]

Jeez.

[David]

2018.

[Andrew]

That's why I was reading 19.

[David]

It was eight. It was eight, not 11.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, 20.

[Andrew]

2018.

[David]

Yeah, I remember that because literally everything in my entire life happened in 2018 for some reason.

[Admiralina]

You were born in 2018, dude.

[Marques Brownlee]

Nine years ago.

[David]

Broke my foot on the ground.

[Andrew]

Would have been right after.

[Ellis]

Okay, Just like the Mongols.

[Andrew]

Wait, so you knew the year? You just counted wrong?

[David]

I didn't count at all.

[Andrew]

I just sent it.

[David]

I just guessed.

[Marques Brownlee]

I was distracted trying to do math and I didn't do it.

[Andrew]

Well, I was trying to do math, but then I realized that the math was my one hand has five fingers and my other hand has three, and it was taking a long time to put them together.

[David]

Yeah, I was trying to remember because Google had me do like a. They gave me like an inside scoop about getting rid of the. The names of Android and just switching to 10. And I did a whole, like, video thing about why they were doing it. And I just remember the Airbnb that I was staying in and I thought it was around 2018, that. Wow, the complex reasoning.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's some AI level inferencing.

[David]

Some Opus 4.9 kind of.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's back when you can add a software notch to your phone. Remember that?

[Ellis]

What?

[Admiralina]

Good old days.

[Marques Brownlee]

Look, phones would have either a notch or you could, like, cancel the entire.

[David]

God with software.

[Andrew]

Yeah, that's a.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's a throwback. Anyway, we'll. We'll end the nostalgia. Because clearly, nostalgia's bad. Thank you for watching. Thank you for listening. Hopefully, if you missed the mime section, you come back to the video version. So you can appreciate that. Until next week. See you later.

[David]

Goodbye.

[Marques Brownlee]

Peace.

[Ellis]

I'm in a box.

[David]

I escape the box.

[Andrew]

Wait. From her Spruce by Admiralina and Ellis Roven partner with Vox Media podcast network and her trash music was created by Vane Sill.

[David]

Bingo. All right.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yo, what is up?

[Andrew]

People of the Internet sniffed really bad when you started. I'm gonna save Ellis from fixing that one later.