Adam “Pacman” Jones on the One Thing You Can’t Coach + Another Newsom Scandal!

Summary

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The Adam Carolla Show

Adam “Pacman” Jones on the One Thing You Can’t Coach + Another Newsom Scandal!

Date: November 17, 2025
Guests: Pacman Jones (NFL DB, host of Politely Raw podcast)
Host: Adam Carolla
Producer/News: Dawson

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Episode Overview

In this packed episode, Adam Carolla dives into the latest California political scandal involving a Newsom ally, rants on government corruption and hypocrisy, discusses American trade school woes, and interviews former NFL star Pacman Jones about life, speed, growing up in tough circumstances, and what can and can't be taught to athletes. The show features Carolla’s signature blend of wit, personal anecdote, and unfiltered commentary.

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Main Segments & Timestamps

1. California Newsom Scandal, Corruption, and Political Rants

   • [02:44]–[29:00]

2. Media Manipulation & Trump/BBC Edit

   • [28:54]–[35:54]

3. Narcissism & Accountability in Life

   • [36:18]–[44:00]

4. Trade School vs College & America’s Blue Collar Crisis

   • [55:09]–[63:58]

5. Interview with Pacman Jones (NFL Star)

   • [67:25]–[102:44]

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. California Scandal & Corruption

[02:44–29:00]

• Dawson reports on Dana Williamson, former chief of staff for Gavin Newsom, indicted for federal campaign money laundering and fraud. Adam rants about the impossibility of eradicating corruption in a system so flush with loose cash and low accountability.

• Carolla rejects the idea that “if women or women of color were in charge, this wouldn’t happen,” citing the string of women implicated in corruption.

• On tax evasion and government hypocrisy: Adam exposes the baked-in incentive for everyone (rich or poor) to game the system, adding:

  “They’ve set up a system that is daring people to try to game it and abuse it.”
  — Adam Carolla [10:18]

• Touches on PPP loans, defending himself against critics while explaining how legitimately-run small business seek them out if eligible:

  “It’s a dereliction of duty if they don’t apply for it.”
  — Adam Carolla [18:58]

• Carolla skewers his online critics for personal attacks, noting their arguments are more about ad hominem than substance:

  “I love the people who try to fuck this poor guy up from the Valley who never got shit from anybody ever. It’s so funny.”
  — Adam Carolla [14:27]

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2. Media Manipulation & Trump/BBC Edit

[28:54–35:54]

• Discussion around Trump’s threat to sue the BBC after they edited a speech to appear more inflammatory.

• Adam rails about January 6th hyperbole and media dishonesty, arguing that real tragedies don’t require “cooked” footage:

  “When something is actually what it is, you don’t need to cook it and pad it all the time.”
  — Adam Carolla [32:49]

• On the societal impact of passive, incurious people:

  “People have an infinite capacity to lie to themselves.”
  — Adam Carolla [36:18]

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3. Narcissism & Accountability

[36:18–44:00]

• Adam discusses a comedy sketch (Dr. Drew sent him) highlighting how narcissists never admit fault. Offers a comical but pointed diagnostic: imagine certain people in your life ever owning up—if you can’t, that says everything.

• Quotes from a mock therapy session for narcissists:

  "I'm sorry that you made me do that."
  — Adam Carolla, quoting sketch [49:48]

• Commentary on how society increasingly rewards deflection and a lack of true accountability.

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4. Trade School vs. College & Blue Collar Crisis

[55:09–63:58]

• News story: Ford can’t fill 5,000+ mechanic jobs at $120K/year due to lack of trade-trained American youth.

• Adam rails against the “Save the Music” movement and over-valuing college degrees at the expense of skills:

  “They need shop class, not woodwinds... First there’s shop, then there’s band.”
  — Adam Carolla [57:30 & 61:08]

• Dawson and Adam share personal reflections on societal pressure to avoid trade schools, the devaluation of blue-collar work, and the emergence of degree inflation.

• Adam ties this to broader issues of identity politics: the harmful dynamic where uplifting one group results in directly undermining another.

  “At a certain point you gotta figure out what whitey's up to and fuck them up. ... It’s not just, let’s uplift women of color. It’s go find white dudes and go after their shit.”
  — Adam Carolla [59:09]

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5. Interview: Adam “Pacman” Jones

[67:25–102:44]

Speed, Success, and the NFL

• Pacman details his record-breaking speed—ran a 4.27 forty, making him one of the fastest ever.

  • Adam: "Speed is all God given, right?"
    Pacman: "Most of it... Some people just have that fast twitch and I was just blessed to be one of those people." [68:56]

  “Speed is one thing you can’t coach.”
  — Pacman Jones [70:11]

• Carolla and Pacman on playing DB (defensive back)—the hardest, “sexiest” position in football besides quarterback due to modern receiver skills, physical demands, and rule changes.

• Pacman closes with how rule changes (like new gloves/balls) have made things easier for today’s offensive players. Adam and Pacman marvel at 67+ yard field goals now possible due to new balls and kicker prep.

Life in the Projects & The Power of Community

[74:30–86:54]

• Pacman’s honest reflections growing up in Atlanta public housing (“the jets”), losing his father to murder at age 8, and mother’s two-year prison sentence for money laundering.

• Candid stories about how community “looked out” for him due to his athletic gifts:

  “They wouldn’t let me sell drugs... because they believed in me so much. ... I was supposed to make it.”
  — Pacman Jones [77:03 & 78:24]

• His grandmother’s home was a community hub (selling food, candy, liquor). She kept the family together and ensured Pacman was protected and focused on sports.

• Emotional note: Grandma died during his freshman year at West Virginia, but lived to see him earn a scholarship.

Academic & Athletic Achievement

[88:27–92:29]

• Pacman was a standout student (1150 SAT, 3.9 GPA), recruited to most SEC schools for both football and basketball; ultimately chose football and West Virginia.
• Coaches, family, and community made sure he took SATs early with a clear vision for his path.
• Contrast with Adam’s youth—he never took SATs, drifted into construction.

The Limits of Talent, Life After the NFL, and Money

[92:29–102:44]

• Discussion on the harsh, binary nature of football talent evaluation and how it “boots out” players regardless of effort or dream.

• Pacman retired voluntarily, happy to spend more time with family:

  “I kicked myself out. ... I enjoy when I retired, though, because I got a chance to spend more time with my kids and do different things.”
  — Pacman Jones [95:29 & 97:26]

• Candid about money:

  • Did “pretty good,” could’ve saved more.
  • Big car guy—Rolls Royce, Bentley, Trackhawk, vintage ‘74 Trans Am (Smokey & the Bandit style).
  • Carolla advises: buy vintage cars, they appreciate.

• Humorous pop culture disconnect: Pacman doesn't know who Tony Hawk is, leading Adam to muse about the distinction between subcultures.

• Pacman's podcast: "Politely Raw with Pacman Jones."

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Turns out [corruption] is every bit as bad in every group—maybe worse... Just as bad, maybe worse.”
  — Adam Carolla on political corruption [05:58]

• “Our society, retards have flipped the script. You got it all backwards. ... The day you get rid of all the people who create the jobs and all the fucking noble people who take SNAP, we’re done.”
  — Adam Carolla [17:00]

• “When something is actually what it is, you don’t need to cook it and pad it all the time.”
  — Adam Carolla (re: January 6th coverage) [32:49]

• “They need shop class, not woodwinds.”
  — Adam Carolla on American education [57:30]

• “Speed is one thing you can’t coach.”
  — Pacman Jones [70:11]

• “I was supposed to make it... You ain’t gonna be up here with us doing this. And I’m thankful for that.”
  — Pacman Jones [78:24]

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Segment Highlights/Timestamps

• Rant on Corruption & Tax Games — [10:18–18:58]
• PPP Loan Defense & Online Critics — [12:18-19:45]
• Media Manipulation “Cooking” Example — [29:39–35:54]
• Narcissist Comedy Skit & Life Reflection — [49:01–49:54]
• Trade School/Save the Music Rant — [55:09–63:09]
• Pacman on Community Protection in Projects — [78:24–80:04]
• Pacman on Speed and Athletic Gifts — [69:00–70:11]
• NFL Kicking Game and Equipment Change — [73:02–74:13]
• Pacman’s Cars & Tony Hawk Moment — [99:03–100:59]

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Conclusion

This episode delivers the classic Carolla mix: incisive political and societal criticism, passionate rants (especially about government, taxes, education), and a vivid look inside the life and philosophy of Pacman Jones—from surviving a violent childhood thanks to community support to thriving in the NFL on pure, God-given speed. Pacman's humility and Carolla's self-aware, blue-collar background foster a rich, honest, sometimes hilarious conversation about life, work, and what truly matters.

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Pacman Jones’ Podcast:
Politely Raw with Pacman Jones — available on YouTube and major podcast platforms.

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For upcoming Adam Carolla shows and live events:
adamcarolla.com

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Recommended Segments for Quick Listen:

• Political Scandal & Corruption Rant: [02:44–18:58]
• Pacman Jones on God-Given Speed: [69:00–70:11]
• Pacman on Overcoming Childhood Environment: [74:30–80:04]

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Transcript

[Adam Carolla]

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[Dawson]

From Corolla One Studios in Glendale, California, this is the Adam Carolla Show. Adam's guest today, NFL great Pac Man Jones. Plus the news with me Mike Talk. Awesome.

[Pac Man Jones]

And now.

[Dawson]

Still full from all the horse paste he ingested with Rogan this weekend, Adam Carolla.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, let's see. We got news now with Dawson. I got stuff to get into as well, but let's get started with the news.

[Dawson]

Well, this is a big story in the state of California, although no one in California seems to be paying attention to it. Dana Williamson, who was Gavin Newsom's former chief of staff, she was indicted on federal charges alleging she was involved in a scheme to steal campaign money from Health Secretary Javier Becerra. Now this is the way the LA Times says it. Steal campaign money. It was essentially laundering. The federal indictment missed four lists, four co conspirators. And here's what it says, that they developed a plan with Sean McCluskey, who was a longtime Becerra aide.

[Adam Carolla]

Wait, is that Javier Baccaria?

[Dawson]

Baccaria, yes, that is Baccharia.

[Adam Carolla]

Wait, what is calling. What was his first name? He called him.

[Dawson]

I think he did call him Javier. Let's see.

[Adam Carolla]

I think. I thought he screwed up his first name too, but. Well, let's see if we got. We got. See if we got Biden doing the Javier Becqueria one. And I'm grateful to the members of my Covid team that I'd like to introduce to you now, who will lead the way. I'm really proud of this group. For Secretary of Health and Education, I nominated Javier Bacaria. All right.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

There's Kamala wearing a mask. Okay? The guy who's talking, the guy whose mouth is opening and breath is escaping and spittle and particles are attached to that, wears no mask. The person that sits in silence behind the person that's talking is required to wear a fucking mask. Ladies and gentlemen. Does anybody understand what was going on? The people who go up, they sit in silence and then they walk up to the dais and they remove their mask and then they start bloving. That's when they start. It's essentially like saying, look, you're going to need to put your hand over your mouth. Except for when you sneeze, right? Then you need it in your pockets, right?

[Dawson]

It's like putting on a band aid when you're not bleeding, Right?

[Adam Carolla]

And kind of worse, like taking it off when you are.

[Dawson]

Right? Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

So he wants to thank his Covid team, the group of fucking retarded liars who fucked up our society and your kids. That's the group. And part of that group was Javier Baccaria, who's Becerra.

[Dawson]

Now, it's gotta be clear that Baccharia is not included in this indictment. He's not implicated.

[Adam Carolla]

Can I say this? There is one good thing about all of these chicks who are being corrupted, who are getting brought up on this charge or that charge or forged papers or Fanny Willis or all these. All these fucking corrupt bitches, all of them. Can we finally put to rest this shit I've been hearing my whole life? Like, if we had a woman in charge, none of this would happen.

[Dawson]

We're going to triple down, dude.

[Adam Carolla]

They're just as bad, maybe worse. And by the way, a female of color in charge, they're all fucked up too. So please, can we just. Here's what I want to say. Can we just put to rest this. If we had a female or a female of color things or a male of color, none of this shit would happen. Turns out they're every bit as corrupt and inept as old whitey used to be. Even worse, maybe more. I feel. It feels like their batting average is even worse than old white guy.

[Dawson]

So here's what happened, Bakaria.

[Adam Carolla]

Or maybe old white guys knew how to get away with it.

[Dawson]

Yeah. All right, so, Bakker. Yeah, that's true. Bakaria. When he went to work for Biden, he had a leftover campaign account that was dormant.

[Pac Man Jones]

Mm.

[Dawson]

He took an aide with him who took $180,000 pay cut. That was Sean McCluskey. So McCloskey wasn't happy about his $180,000 pay cut. And so these four people allegedly defrauded the old campaign account by having one of their wives collect money for work that wasn't done done. And Dana Williamson was the ringleader of this whole thing.

[Adam Carolla]

It's also literally impossible to create a situation where you have politicians who are not underpaid, but they're not paid commensurate with what some people could do in the private sector. Sure. You know, they do okay. You know, they're somewhere between.

[Dawson]

They're expected to do shit in the private sector.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, that's a good point. But how can you expect this scenario? This scenario is you get paid a little bit more than a fireman, a little bit more. Not a lot more, but you get paid a little bit more than a fireman or a cop, except for there's millions of dollars floating around you. There's people giving you money right and left. There's corporations giving you money right and left. There's donors, and there's off overseas. You're in a world where you get paid like a fireman, except for the fireman just lives with other firemen, drives a truck, and that's his life. But now we're saying in the firehouse, there's millions of dollars sort of floating around. Now, you have to keep track of it, and it has to be spoken for, but it's sort of floating around. And you can use it.

[Dawson]

Yeah, it's in the department.

[Adam Carolla]

You can use it for your campaign and for travel and expenses, meals and airlines and hotels and things like that. And you can call certain things gifts or donations or something. What are the chances that's not gonna be abused.

[Dawson]

Zero.

[Adam Carolla]

It's literally zero. What are the chances? What are the chances Nancy Pelosi's not gonna make a zillion dollars on the stock market because you have access to information and you have a husband who trades on the stock market? Is it possible? I don't think it's possible. So we should stop being surprised when this shit happens. But let's dispel this noble chick thing where if we just had a bunch of women everywhere, none of this would ever happen.

[Dawson]

No, they're going to double down. But anyway, she went on. She made this. Dana Williamson made false statements to the FBI. So that was included in the indictment. The indictment also says that she made false tax returns. Now this is very, very interesting. She was able to claim more than $1 million in business deductions that prosecutors said were for personal and non deductible expenditures like private jet travel, hotel stays, home furnishings, and designer handbags. But a million dollars? I know you don't look very closely at your taxes, but in your wildest dreams, unless you bought a new warehouse, could you have a million dollar deduction? A million dollar business deduction?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, once again, they're setting up a system that is daring people to try to game it and abuse it. And I'm talking about the tax system, you know, well, you can call your car or a work vehicle and then, you know. How many miles do you think you drive every year in that work vehicle that's padded? Probably about 8,000. Yeah, well, if you get over 10,000, it'll be better. Okay, well, let's make it 11,000. You know, I mean, it's a. It's just baked into everything and do not. I don't know why people always like these rich fat cats with their lawyers and their accounts. Yeah, that's what they're gonna. They're going to do everything all the time to avoid giving more money to the government. That's how it works. I was arguing with someone online, like, oh, Adam went got a PPE loan during COVID and he's a rich guy. And why is he taking a PPE loan? Okay, first things first. I don't know how to do any of that shit and I would never even think of it. Right? I have accountants.

[Dawson]

Right?

[Adam Carolla]

And the accountants who pay in hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars in taxes are in charge of seeing if you're eligible for a PPE loan because you run a small business with X amount of employees and you've been shut down by the state. So they do their fucking job, you understand? And then later on, when you buy a car, they suggest you lease the car, because then we can write off the insurance or the mileage or the lease or the taxes or whatever it is. They do it because you guys created a system where I give you half of my money and you do nothing. That your system? Here's our arrangement. Our arrangement is, I work every fucking weekend, you take half my money, and when a fire breaks out near my house, there's no water in the reservoir.

[Dawson]

Right?

[Adam Carolla]

That is your arrangement. With that in mind, then I hire people to take that half that I'm giving you. Not to fill the reservoirs, but to build the bullet train or solve the homeless problem here in California, which is. Which never happens. The billions you guys squander of tax money, I then pay a guy to go, let's see if we can get that number from 50% to 41.5%. And then you poor assholes look at me and go, he's taking a loan. Or why does he. I bet he writes this. Yes, everyone does everything, all the time. They go, well, Elon Musk Target pays less than an average school teacher. Yeah. They're trying to save money. That's all they do. That's all they do. They have. The government has essentially declared war on you and your savings account. They want all your money, and you are fighting tooth and nail to save some. A small percentage of that money. Right. And on rare, rare occasion, when the government shuts down your business and then offers a PPE loan that you're eligible for, then your people are not doing their job if they do not apply for that loan. Correct. And then they give you the money. And then the amount of money you get is basically what I pay in one quarter in taxes every single year for the last 30 years. Yeah, right. But. Seems reasonable, but for one fleeting moment, I get something from them.

[Dawson]

Right?

[Adam Carolla]

One fleeting moment. And then there's 150 you assholes on Twitter who think that's bad and make me and talk shit about me. I love it. I. I love it.

[Dawson]

And by the way, Pelosi got, like, two PPP loans totaling almost near a million dollars, and they were both forgiven, by the way.

[Adam Carolla]

I love it when people try to fuck this poor guy up from the Valley who never got shit from anybody ever. It's so funny. It's like, I just found out that Adam Carolla, who hasn't stopped whining about SNAP recipients getting food, by the way, I've never stopped whining about SNAP recipients getting food. First off, I've brought it up twice in 17 years. I never. I always love that thing. Like when dickheads go, why don't you get your best friend Dinesh d' Souza back? Yeah, Dinesh d' Souza and I are best friends.

[Dawson]

It's almost an ad hominem attack.

[Adam Carolla]

I've done 4,000 shows. Dinesh D' Souza's been on two of them.

[Dawson]

Right?

[Adam Carolla]

So I hardly call that best friend status. But anyway, Adam never stops whining. Whining, why do poor people have to have food? Why can't my kids eat all their food? How come I have to do with four? How come I, like, if I see a poor Mexican kid eating a churro, why can't I just snatch it out of his hand and throw it on the ground and laugh? How come? Because that's who I am. Because I'm cruel. That's what I love. I'm like Donald Trump. I like pain. I'm cruel. I don't like people with their eating and they're whining, so why they have to eat. But I never stop complaining about it. No, I don't want the system to be abused. And it's not good to be in the system in the first place because you stop learning how to hunt. Same reason at the national park, they tell you to fucking put the lid down on the dumpster because the bears will get used to dining at the dumpster and we want them out foraging and taking care of themselves. Well, same with human beings. But anyway, just found out that Adam Carolla, who hasn't stopped whining about SNAP recipients getting food. And by the way, this SNAP rant is the longest snap rant I've ever done. Has a net worth of between 16 million and 20 million. And took out 300K. I didn't take it out. It wasn't 300K. But other than that, you're batting a thousand and PPE loans. And now that were meant for struggling business owners. I do love the struggling that were meant for anyone.

[Dawson]

At the time, we were a struggling business. All of our advertising dropped. There was no way to pay the.

[Adam Carolla]

Salaries of like, well, also, hey, douche, I supply salary. I created a business that other people benefit from because there's tons of people. It's not. Obviously, there's the people who come into this building, and then there are a bunch of people who aren't in this building. They're salespeople and there's everyone. The whole point is, is I have gotten a lot of People paid via my endeavors. And a simple thank you will be fine, except for it's always fuck you to the guy. And somehow the people that don't do shit are the noble people. And our society fucking retards have flipped the script. You got it all backwards. And by the way, the day you get rid of all the people who create the jobs and all the fucking noble people who take snap, we're done. And that's your utopia, but it's everyone else's hell. But anyway, I took this loan again, by the way. It's like, people are funny. People accuse me of stuff. Like you took that post down and stuff. I go, I don't even know how to take a post down. I've never taken anything down. I would never know how to apply for a loan. It was applied for me and then I was informed that we were eligible for it. I didn't even have to do a thumbs up or thumbs down.

[Dawson]

You can't even spell.

[Adam Carolla]

They did their job. I can't even spell. The person applied got it and then informed me because they knew they were doing their job to apply for it and they also knew they weren't going to need to check with me if we complied. Nobody broke any rules. If we were eligible for a loan that they were offering because they closed my business, then my tax guy and my money manager is. It's, it's, it's a dereliction of duty if they don't apply for it.

[Dawson]

Right?

[Adam Carolla]

Okay. Right. So that's what I did. But anyway, I hate those kids with their food and anyway, anyway, that was meant for struggling business owners. They never know how it goes.

[Dawson]

You go, you go back to accountants like this who are doing their due diligence.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, hold on. I just, I just. In case anyone ever tries to shame me. It never works. It never works because I was poor my whole life and I work every fucking weekend and I fly southwest. So please, it'll never work. My reply was, tell me how much you paid in taxes last year, then I will tell you how much I paid last year. And then you can shut the fuck up.

[Dawson]

Well, this person in another tweet first of all spelled your name wrong and then made a bunch of false accusations like pedophile 1, pedophile and whatever. And the only thing you replied with was, it's Carolla C A R. Can't spell it. I love that.

[Adam Carolla]

I love the pedophile.

[Dawson]

Right?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Let's see. I don't know, we can probably find the Nazi pedophile one too. I do not want to give my detractors any tips, but overusing the word Nazi is not helping. You sure remember 10 minutes ago when you retards fucked out racist and now no one cares?

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Now you're going to fuck out Nazi and pedophile.

[Dawson]

Yes, there it is. This is Adam Corolla attacking people who can't afford to eat. He's a pedophile supporter with no talent and you're like, it's spelled Corolla, not Corolla.

[Adam Carolla]

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[Dawson]

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[Dawson]

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[Pac Man Jones]

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[Dawson]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[Dawson]

Well, speaking of the people doing everything they can because they accountants do it within the law. Your accountants did the right thing within the law. These people in the California government, this Dana Williamson, believed she would never get caught.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Dawson]

And had Trump not won this election, she might not have ever gotten caught. But she's facing 23 charges, including conspiracy to commit bank and wire fraud.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Listen, I want to say to people all the time about all this stuff. What's Trump doing? Well, this is retribution. Yeah. Retribution for what? This is payback. Payback for what? This is revenge. Revenge for what? Well, you trying to put him in jail for four years. That's what he's doing. Exactly. Now, here's the good news. If he didn't do anything, then fine. This person's trying to bust me on a PPE loan. I didn't do anything, though. It's all above board. So knock shelf out.

[Dawson]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

And go talk to my accountant. Right. So you go, well, what if Gavin Newsom comes after me for a PPE loan? Then I go, I didn't do anything. It's all according to the law.

[Dawson]

Exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

So then I'm fine. And they go, are you okay with Gavin Newsom? Yeah, I'm okay with it. If I didn't do anything, then, no, I'm not going to jail and neither is anybody. Right. This thing where it's like, oh, he's declared war. If there's nothing there, there's nothing there.

[Dawson]

And what happened to nobody is above the law? I can't wait to watch Swalwell go down. That's gonna make me so happy.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm just saying, you didn't falsify some loan or say you worked and lived In a residence you didn't live in or whatever. You didn't do any of that, then by all means. These are the same assholes. They did the same shit with stop and frisk. Like, you think it's okay to stop 17 year old black men walking down the streets of Manhattan? Well, if you don't have a gun, you don't have a gun, right? If I'm walking down the fucking street of Old Town Pasadena and I pass a couple of cops and the cop goes, are you packing a pistol? I would go, no. And then they'd go, can you pull up your sweatshirt? And I'd go, there you go. And they go, all right, have a good day. That's fine. I don't have a gun. I didn't do anything. I'm not going to jail. I'm not. There's nothing. And am I offended? Not really. I kind of like them out there doing that. Sure, I'm fine with that. So whoever. If he didn't do anything, then good luck to Trump. But if he did something and you tried to put him in jail, well, now there's something. And then you go, well, yeah, but are you Al Capone? I mean, you did a little something, but you do the same thing everyone else does. You go, how many dependents do you have on your taxes? And you go, well, it's just me and my dog. 3. So is that legal? Well, not technically. Does everyone do it? Yeah. Okay, so what's the problem? Well, the problem is you tried to bust your opponent on claiming too many dependents.

[Dawson]

The problem.

[Adam Carolla]

And now he's in charge and guess what? He wants to know how many dependents you claimed. And then you go, what's the big deal? Everyone collect. Yeah, that's true, but you tried to put him in jail for that. So now he is allowed to do the exact same thing to you. Which you should have thought about before you tried to put him in jail. But I get your plan. Put him in jail and then we'll never have to deal with this ever again.

[Dawson]

Right?

[Adam Carolla]

It's like, here's I say to people all the time, yeah, here's the deal. You are allowed to jump over your neighbor's fence and steal their hibachi. And nine times out of 10, at noon on a Tuesday, you get away and you don't see their car in the driveway. You're gonna get away with that guy's hibachi and you can enjoy your teriyaki burger and he'll be none the wiser. But once in a While his car's at the shop and he's home cleaning a shotgun and shit happens. Now, did you deserve to get shot for stealing the hibachi?

[Dawson]

No.

[Adam Carolla]

You did not.

[Dawson]

Of course not.

[Adam Carolla]

But you jumped over the fence and once you went over the fence, the second you landed in his yard, you rolled the dice.

[Dawson]

Unless you're in California.

[Adam Carolla]

That's right. All right, what else you got?

[Dawson]

President Trump said he's going to sue the BBC for billions of dollars out of the British after the British public broadcaster published a misleading edit of one of his speeches. I did not know. I've heard the edit. We're going to listen to the edit, but I did not know it was this bad. Did you know that inside this edit is a 50 minute period?

[Adam Carolla]

50 something minute, yes.

[Dawson]

So all he's been talking almost an hour and they made it seem like this all happened at once.

[Adam Carolla]

So you start talking at noon, you say something at 12:03 and at some point they edit it into something you said at one o'. Clock.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. Yeah. That's awesome.

[Dawson]

And they presented it as real. And Trump, he said, he said, let's, let's listen to this really quick.

[Adam Carolla]

We're going to walk down to the Capitol and I'll be there with you. And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore. We're going to walk down to the Capitol and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women. There we go. We got a fast forward 54 minutes. And we fight. We fight like hell. Yeah. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, can I say this? Let me just say this to everybody. First off, I love the fact that they cook videos to only be negative against Trump all the time. But they're not biased. They're not biased. It's just that's the way it always turns out. You are an umpire who calls balls and strikes until your son is pitching. And then ones in the dirt are called strikes. But you're not biased. You're a good umpire. You just got a few bad calls in there, but you never call a strike a ball when your son is pitching. It's only one direction all the time. All right, everyone understand this? January 6th. January 6th was called the greatest attack on our nations, the soil since 9 11. Worst thing since Pearl harbor and so on and so forth. Democracy hanging by a thread this close to losing democracy okay, the hyperbole. Let's not call it hyperbole. Let's just call it the description Around January 6th, as our democracy was hanging in the balance in the midst of a full blown resurrection, or, sorry, insurrection. Insurrection. A full blown insurrection. And our democracy was hanging by. Like, if I just. Let's just say I took a founding Father and I reanimated him. And I said to George Washington, I go, look, we're gonna have a situation in the future where there's an insurrection. And he's like, an insurrection? I'm like, yeah, an armed insurrection. He's like, uh huh. An armed insurrection where they attacked the Capitol and our democracy was hanging by a thread. And we came this close to losing our democracy. And it was worse since our entire naval fleet was almost taken out. Pearl harbor, that's something that's going to happen in the future. But just take my word for it. Or the Twin Towers were taken down when commercial airliners, or as you call them, metal birds, were flown into them. And it's all that. Right? Okay. That's how bad it was. Okay. When something is actually like, Pearl harbor, they got a body count with Pearl Harbor. They got how many ships were destroyed and they got a body count.

[Dawson]

They got memorials.

[Adam Carolla]

They have memorials. They have a body count for 9, 11. When something is actually what it is, you don't need to cook it and pat it all the time. You don't need to do it. It is what it is. The buildings are gone, the towers are gone, the 3,000Americans are gone. That's what it is. Pictures of people jumping from burning buildings and hitting the ground. That's what it is. Films of commercial airliners hitting the building. You don't need to pad it. You don't need to doctor it. You don't need to cook or edit video.

[Dawson]

You don't need to delete 70% of it.

[Adam Carolla]

You don't need to delete whatever files you guys created from your January 6th committee. You don't need to lie about. You don't take people who worked at the Capitol six months later, committed suicide because their girlfriend left them and count that as a death from that event. You have plenty of bodies. Let me ask you this. January 6th, they have no bodies. Well, they have Ashley Babbitt who was shot in the face by one of the police officers, but they don't like that story, so they avoid that story very clearly. But 9, 11, I don't know, 2,872 or some number, about 3,000 people died, right? Do they Pad that number months on because of a widow who committed suicide because she lost her husband. Are we padding that? Number two, we're gonna keep padding. So on Pearl harbor, there's some 20 year old who was on one of those ships who perished. And then somewhere in Pasadena, California was a 20 year old woman and they just got engaged and at some point she was distraught and threw herself off the Hollywood sign and killed herself. Are we counting that as a Pearl harbor death? And if not, why not, according to your fucking logic. But you guys are lying and cooking. And that's how I know it's bullshit. Because when it really happened, you don't need to lie, you don't need to edit and you don't need to cook. And that's all you guys do.

[Dawson]

You don't need a Hollywood TV presentation to convince the country of something. You just have the facts.

[Adam Carolla]

You got AOC saying that she thought she was gonna be raped and killed. She wasn't there and not in the building. Right? Why do you need her saying she was in the building when she wasn't in the building if you're not cooking all of this? So spare me if I'm a little dubious. Who wouldn't be dubious? You guys are cooking everything. You're doing the same thing you did with COVID deaths and guy fucking dies on a moped and you call it a COVID death, right?

[Dawson]

So they had people dying of gunshot wounds, they called Covid.

[Adam Carolla]

Pardon me for being a little dubious because you guys are cooking numbers and information.

[Dawson]

But what does it say about the rest of the people who just believe this stuff? Are they simply incurious or are they gullible enough to believe everything the government says? What that I think is the biggest problem is the people who just say, just absorb everything you tell me, even though it's conflicting and disproving of something you told me five years ago.

[Adam Carolla]

I am just accepted. You know how many people in my life who've recounted something to me where they go, look, here's what happened? I go, that's not what happened. I'll tell you what happened. I was there. And here's how it played out, because I was there and I know exactly what happened. Somewhere over under is about seven weeks where they come back to me and go, let's not have this happen again. And I go, I told you that didn't happen. And here's what happened. And I now realize that people have an infinite capacity to lie to themselves. And also there's a kind of a. It's a narcissistic thing. It's funny. Dr. Drew sent me something today which is interesting. It's a fun experiment. It's a fun experiment. I'll put it on Andrew for a second. But Andrew, there was a narcissist. It was a guy doing a sketch basically about, are you a narcissist? You know, it's a funny thing. Show up to the narcissist. You know, AA for a narcissist or something. You know, that kind of thing. Anyway, anyway, it's a real simple thing. Can you. When you say things that are sort of normal things and then sort of apply it to other people, if you laugh, then that means there's something wrong with the other person or your relationship. Now I'll explain that I have laughed. Now, if I said to you. If I said to you, Dawson, 10 years ago, if you said, what'd you do this weekend, Adam? And I'd say, yeah, my dad came by and we put a deck on the house, you'd start laughing because you know, Jim Carolla would never fucking come over and put a deck on your house. Right, right. But there are other dudes, you know, who, if you said that about. If you said that about me, well, what'd you do this weekend? So. And so Adam came by and we put a deck on the house, then you'd go, cool.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Cause I might do that. Right, right. And if I said to you, you know, if you said to me, what'd you do this weekend? And I'd go, well, you know, I had the celebrity Grand Prix race, and my mom was there, and she took out a hotel room in Long beach, invited all her friends over. So I got one of those condos, Zoron Zorbak. She got her Zorback. They rented one of those condos out on the back straight.

[Dawson]

Did she wear her dress?

[Adam Carolla]

Moo. Moo. She hung sheet out on the balcony where they can see on the back straight over there with my car number on it. Rainbow tape.

[Dawson]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

You would start laughing. Right? Because that would never happen. Now you're laughing. Okay, now what does that mean? Well, there's some people would do that. You know what I mean? And if you said like, like you took. All right, so. And it also means they probably should have done that shit at some point because it's normal shit. So what I'm saying. So here's the thing. I've said this to Drew many times regarding narcissists. Is this the Michelle Obama curly hair tweet? I'm going to say no, because it'll be. I will bring that up. This is a bit that a guy did about narcissism. That's a comedy bit. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you wanted me to find something on your Twitter.

[Pac Man Jones]

I was looking on it.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, no, he. Drew sent it to me, but it's out there somewhere. I get a lot of this in my life.

[Dawson]

But anyway, I think I saw it.

[Adam Carolla]

Drew sent it. Okay, here's my whole point.

[Dawson]

But I'll just glance.

[Adam Carolla]

Here's my whole point. Are you ready?

[Dawson]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

In this thing and everyone think of the people they know, you know? Think about this very simple sort of thought experiment. Think of the person like, you think about Mike August, right? And you go, mike, I think you're confused and you messed up this booking date. And he said, you're right, I was sorry, won't happen again.

[Dawson]

Yeah, right, right.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay, so you can't picture that coming from his mouth. No. Right, so if you can't picture. And by the way, we all. You can do it with. I can do it with my ex wife, you can do it with business partners. You do it with a friend where you go, hey, you screwed this up. And they go, you know what? I did and I'm sorry, and it's not going to happen again. If you can't picture that ever coming from their mouth ever, well, then you're dealing with a fucking idiot and a narcissist. You're dealing with that thing. You see what I'm saying? Okay, What I'm saying is, if I said I told Dr. Drew, he was mistaken and he got the time wrong for when we're gonna meet to dinner. And he said, sorry, you're right. I got confused. Won't happen again. That's perfectly fine. If I said that coming from Mike August mouth, you'd start laughing because Mike would say, I sent you an email changing the time and you never got it or whatever that thing is. Okay, so the experiment with like the people in your life, picture them saying things like, sorry, like, sorry, not gonna happen again. Like, okay, remember used to work here, Donnie, Picture me going, donnie, you screwed up the scheduling. Picture him going, sorry, boss, not gonna happen again. I'll make sure of it. Yeah, no, never say he'd go, you screwed things up too, right? Last Tuesday you said, right, right, right. We all have those people, but then there's other people. So just picture the people in your life saying things like that. Like, even my dad, my dad wouldn't go like, sorry, screwed up. Not gonna happen again. He'd go, no, no, you said earlier. Yeah, that was on you. You know what I mean? It's always either I didn't do it or what about you? Right? Dawson screwed something up an hour ago. I said, did you get the news? They didn't get news. I said, I thought you got the news. And he goes, I got the news. Sorry, my bad. All right. If you can't do that simple thing now, everybody, by the way, who doesn't do it, they go, you never do it, right? They always accuse you of never doing it.

[Dawson]

Now is this.

[Adam Carolla]

And I don't do it, I don't do it that much. It's just a strange. But I don't do it that much because I don't fuck up that much.

[Dawson]

Right, but is this just a sign of possible, possible narcissism? Like, we're not saying that Mike August is a narcissist. Although Mike Auguev had these conversations.

[Adam Carolla]

No, he's not. But you just have to think about people and you go, could you picture like you would start laughing if you heard Mike, if you heard in your head Mike said, that's 100% on me. I'll learn from this. It's not going to happen again. Yes, right. TRA Tax Relief. Well, we've all seen those IRS commercials where they try to scare the hell out of you. Oh, they're coming for your house. They'll seize your bank account. Yeah, we get it. But here's the truth. Tax relief advocates is different. Whether you owe five grand, fifty grand or half a million, they've got a real solution. Doesn't matter where you're sitting right now in the car at work, chasing your kids around. Just go to tra.com you don't have to lose hope. These guys know the system that can actually reduce or even wipe out what you owe. Over 1000. Five star reviews on Google, a rating with the Better Business Bureau. You can't do better than that. So stop sweating it and start fixing it. There's some pretty generous programs out there right now that can give you a fresh start. Right, Dawson?

[Dawson]

And the Nightmare today. Visit tra.com that's tra.com tax relief advocates. Real solutions for real people.

[Adam Carolla]

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[Dawson]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[Dawson]

You could book a cabin, stay with leaf views for days. Or a brownstone in a city where festivals are just a walk away. Or a lakeside home with a fire pit for cozy nights with friends. Or if you're not a sweater person.

[Adam Carolla]

We can call it corduroy weather.

[Dawson]

More flexible. And with stays under $250 a night, you can book a home that suits your exact needs. Book [e-mail] so anyway, Trump said he's going to sue the BBC for anywhere between 1 billion and 5 billion. I love him.

[Adam Carolla]

Let me say this. I've said it a million times, probably sometime this week. Here's the thing. I hate people that sue people. And I hate living in a litigious society. Sure. On the other hand, if it will stop getting, it will dissuade news outlets from lying all the time. Of course, then I'm all for it.

[Dawson]

Well, let's say the patent trolls lawsuit that you. Or maybe you were sued and defended, but essentially you attacked them so that they would stop doing this to everyone else.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. And Marc Maron never stops thanking me.

[Dawson]

I know, I heard him just the other day. He mentioned it to Obama.

[Adam Carolla]

All the folks that have podcasts never stopped thanking me for doing the battle so that they could freely podcast on their show. All right, here it is. And you only need to really listen to the first 45 seconds of it where he Basically does what I've complained about. Like I said, like I said, could be my ex wife, could be a kid, could be a dad, could be a business guy. Just picture them saying things like. Or picture them saying things like, hey, last time we went to lunch, you paid. I'm going to pick this one up. If the answer is that person would never do that, then you have to sort of think about who that person is. And if you cannot picture the words, the sound of that person going, you're right, my bad, that's on me. And you know what? I'm embarrassed. And it's never going to happen again if you can. Now, when my kids were 15, I could picture my son saying that, but I couldn't picture my daughter saying it because she wouldn't say it and many other people wouldn't say it. I could picture Dr. Drew saying it. I could not picture Donnie saying it because Donnie wouldn't say it. Dr. Drew would. And then people want to know what's wrong with everybody. All right, we'll play just the first.

[Dawson]

I will.

[Adam Carolla]

I'll say in advance, we should turn the sound on. I don't know why you. All right.

[Dawson]

Welcome to narcissist rehab, where this will.

[Adam Carolla]

Most likely be a colossal waste of my time. I don't know why I'm here, because I've never done anything wrong.

[Dawson]

Yeah, you're in the right place.

[Adam Carolla]

Let's start off with something simple.

[Dawson]

Repeat after me, I'm sorry that was wrong.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm sorry that you made me do that.

[Dawson]

Close, but the opposite of what I just said. I'm sorry you can't take a joke. Even worse, just repeat after me. I care about how my words and actions impacted you.

[Adam Carolla]

Why are you complaining when I'm clearly the victim here? Nope, that's not it. Your feelings aren't my problem. Once again, let's just stick to this. Let's go to the top one more time. It's literally what I've been yelling about. Like, I cannot physically say it. All right, welcome to narcissist rehab, where.

[Dawson]

This will most likely be a colossal.

[Adam Carolla]

Waste of my time.

[Dawson]

I don't know why I'm here, because.

[Adam Carolla]

I've never done anything wrong.

[Dawson]

Yeah, you're in the right place.

[Adam Carolla]

Let's start off with something simple.

[Dawson]

Repeat after me, I'm sorry that was wrong.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm sorry that you made me do that. Close, but the opposite of what I just said.

[Dawson]

I'm sorry you can't take a joke.

[Adam Carolla]

Even worse, just sorry you made me do that part I know it's all a joke, but most the time I say to someone, you did something wrong, they go, you.

[Dawson]

You said it. You. Whatever it is, that's what you told me. You told me to do it.

[Adam Carolla]

There's a you told me. You said it. And there's a version where you sort of made me do it through your whatever.

[Dawson]

Right?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, it's a problem. People, character. Pass it on. All right, what else we got?

[Dawson]

Fred Goldman. Maybe he's a little closer to maybe finally receiving some payment money from O.J. simpson's estate. Nearly three decades after winning the wrongful death judgment against O.J.

[Adam Carolla]

Mm.

[Dawson]

The executor of the Simpson estate has accepted Goldman's creditor claim of 57,997,000 and change.

[Adam Carolla]

That is a lot of mustache wax.

[Dawson]

Yeah, can you imagine? That's a Diddy. That's Diddy level.

[Adam Carolla]

I would be the worst mustache wax guy. Wow. You know how fucking lazy I am? I would like, for me putting on jeans or shoes I have to tie are like, ugh, such a waste of time. I'd be the worst transvestite, and I'd be the worst mustache wax guy, because the mustache, I'd always be like, fuck, I don't got time to wax it. Just be hanging off the side of my face. Or I'd be like, I got time to wax one side but not the other. So it'd be. One would be limp and hanging in my salad, and the other would be all curled up looking like Snidely Whiplash.

[Dawson]

You'd have to incorporate it into your alarm setting routine. Shit, I gotta get up.

[Adam Carolla]

Fifteen. I gotta set. I gotta back. I have to reverse engineer the alarm clock because I need mustache wax time. How old is Goldman now?

[Dawson]

God, he's gotta be almost 80, right? It was three decades ago.

[Adam Carolla]

30.

[Dawson]

50.

[Adam Carolla]

At least it was 30 years ago. And the scary part is, he could.

[Dawson]

Have been in his 40s.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes, he could have been in his 40s. He's a strange guy. But wait a minute. Let's see where he is. How old is he? And by the way, if you.

[Dawson]

84.

[Adam Carolla]

84. Is that money, by the way. Sorry, but between the long hair that sort of flipped back and the smoked shades and the mustache wax, he had a little mafiosa fucking somewhere between an enforcer and a kingpin, you know what I mean? Like, he had a vibe.

[Dawson]

He does kind of look like his last name ends in a vowel.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, he had a kind of look between the mustache, the hairstyle, and the smoked shades. You know, the indoor prescription glass that was a little bit smoky at the top. He had that look like he was doing something.

[Dawson]

Yeah. His name would be Fredo goldmano.

[Adam Carolla]

So he's 84. Is there money in the estate, though? That's.

[Dawson]

That's the big question.

[Adam Carolla]

That's the question. Like, everyone's like, he got awarded 57. Yeah. You could go fucking look.

[Dawson]

I.

[Adam Carolla]

Look, you could pick up a day laborer over at Home Depot, bring him over to your house. He could kill your wife when he was drunk, and you could sue him for $60 million. But guess what? There's no money.

[Dawson]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. So is their money.

[Dawson]

They're still auctioning stuff off, trying to get there. This. This. I guess the point here is the original 33 million. Goldman argued that it was. The value was exceeding 117 million today. They agreed on the 59 million thing, but the executor of the estate said they intend to pay as much of the approved amount through ongoing auctions of Simpson's possessions.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, here's what Google says. O.J. simpson was not broke when he died, as he had an estimated net worth of 3 million bucks. Now, first off, this estimated net worth stuff is insane on the Internet, so you never know what you're dealing with. But was deeply in debt to the families of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman, while his estate would be responsible for the more than $100 million. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It gets an NFL pension. There's, like, SAG stuff. I mean, there's stuff you could get. There is memorabilia, but you're not getting a lump of cash from O.J. no. That's for damn sure. All right, thank you.

[Dawson]

So, Ford Motor Company has been unable to fill about 5,000 openings for mechanics.

[Adam Carolla]

Mm.

[Dawson]

And starting salary they're offering is $120,000 a year. Problem is, everyone's getting bad degrees and wasting their time in college instead of going to a trade school. But the Ford CEO, Jim Farley, saying that we are in trouble. We're not talking about this enough. We have over a million openings in critical jobs. Emergency services, trucking, factory workers, plumbers, electricians, and tradesmen. We don't have the trade schools, and we don't have the people filling these jobs.

[Adam Carolla]

What? Jesus. Jesus Christ. Literally, I can remember where I was sitting in 1996, 1997, when I was doing Loveline. And lest you think this wave of stupidity that has washed over the nation is new, it goes back. All right, so here's the thing. I was sitting there in my loveline studio. Literally 1996, 1997, whenever all this bullshit saved the music. Hi, I'm Sheryl Crow. Schools need. And I said schools need shop class. Yes, schools need shop class. They don't need fucking oboe. We don't need the oboe. And the same old jack offs who are playing hero had to do. A lot of schools don't have access to oboes. And I'm Cheryl, and. And I'm Sheryl Crow. And I'm a hero. And I'm gonna fight for bullshit that is not necessary in the real world. Ford doesn't need 5,000 celloists, you fucking idiots.

[Dawson]

That's right.

[Adam Carolla]

They need people who work right, who have a fucking skill that you never taught them because you decided that music was the number one thing missing from the inner city. Kids see more fucking. More fucking Do Gooders. Fucking up people, by the way, same people. 20 years later, 25 years later, Covid comes down the pike. Shut the schools, you fucking hero retards. You people. You're doing damage is what I'm saying. You're not only not heroes, you're fucking kids up. They need shop class, not woodwinds.

[Dawson]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

By the way, once we're done with all the shop class, if there's a little money left over and they can sit there and play the oboe, then so be it. But first their shop, then there's band. You guys did this whole save the music. Find me one of those shitty save the music commercials from like the late 90s with the fucking hero musicians out there.

[Dawson]

See, at that time, we were fully. I mean, my family was weigh in on this too. My parents told me I wasn't allowed to go to state school. I had to go to the University of California. Because that's where the smarter kids went. Yeah, listen, I looked down. I had one of my friend's older brothers. After high school, he did not go to college. He went to mechanic school. And immediately the guy's making money. He's got a house with a pool. He's 21 years old, right? And I always looked down on that guy. I looked at him like he was stupid.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I'm not, you know, I'm not saying that good people weren't drawn in to this stuff. There's good people that got drawn into the food pyramid. There's good people that got drawn into Covid. There's like good people got drawn into a lot of shit.

[Dawson]

Because at one point, though, it becomes not so much this is the way to go. It becomes, don't do it. This other Way, screw trade school. You need to go to college. Those trade school people are idiots.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, and at one point, it really became, listen, listen. I've said it a million times. There can't be. Everyone wants to live in a world where it's like, what do we do? Well, we uplift people of color. We take people of color and we fight for them. Systemic racism. And what's wrong with helping people of color? Well, I'll tell you what's wrong with it. Nothing. But at a certain point, you got to figure out what whitey's up to and fuck them up. That's the problem. It never, look, everyone should go to college, right? At some point, you start attacking blue collar people, right? Because you can't just do it. I've said it a million times. You can be a Baltimore Ravens fan for so long, but eventually you're a Baltimore Ravens fan and you hate the Steelers, right? And you want to punch the guy in the Steeler jersey. It's not just, I love the Ravens, right? It's I'm going to punch the guy in the Steeler jersey. It's not just, let's uplift women of color. It's go find white dudes and go after their shit. Well, remember that. It has to be that way, everyone.

[Dawson]

You remember about five years ago when in order to help people of color, the UC system stopped requiring SATs, and now more than half of the students at UC San Diego to don't know fifth grade math.

[Adam Carolla]

Right? So my point is, is yes, let's get more Hispanics into UCLA Noble. At a certain point, you gotta start cutting some eligible Asians because they're taking up too much room. So see, it's not just, let's help this group at some point, let's fuck up the other group.

[Dawson]

Exactly. And that's what it became.

[Adam Carolla]

That's what it became. Yes. Thank God. My family.

[Dawson]

Save music.

[Adam Carolla]

Save music. Here we go. Here we go. A clip of, I don't know.

[Pac Man Jones]

Want to help kids learn?

[Adam Carolla]

Help VH1 save the music. A kid who learns music reads better, scores higher on the sat, very happy. Stays out of trouble.

[Pac Man Jones]

Usually because those public school music programs are important.

[Dawson]

They have parents, they're forced to take violin lessons for four hours a day.

[Adam Carolla]

What year is this?

[Dawson]

They do get higher SAT scores.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes, everyone. Yes, I know. Turns out, listen to classical music. Yes, I know. Because you're not running serpentine while you're being shot at by Hangbanger when you're listening to classical music. 1998.

[Dawson]

Correlation not causation.

[Adam Carolla]

Play it out. Sorry. Call toll free 1-888-VH1 glorious to find out how you can help VH1 save the music. Because music education equals brain power, okay? Everyone's a hero, everyone's noble. And now these kids got some sort of history and Chicano studies bachelor degree, and they can do shit with it. That can't work. And by the way, Jim Farley's not hiring any of these homos, right? So you could make a buck 20. And I never even thought about with Ford. You know, you think about Ford, you go, oh, building cars. Building cars. They have so many million feet of factory that it's all plumbing. Electricians. Fuck cars. They have to have maintenance in those places that are unbelievable.

[Dawson]

Oh, yeah. And you get in this article, it takes. It takes five years to learn how to take a diesel engine out of a Ford F350. Takes five years. There's a. Did you see. Just really quick, did you see the newest Save the Music Is Scarlett Johansson talking about free food for children at schools? Because if we did not have free food at schools, Scarlett Johansson would not be able to act.

[Adam Carolla]

She wouldn't be able to act.

[Dawson]

We wouldn't have her.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm just saying. We wouldn't have her. In my poor world of being super unpopular with every opinion I have, that was not popular to scream about fuck music in the late 90s, sure.

[Pac Man Jones]

No, no, no, no.

[Adam Carolla]

Neither. And what about. I was out on an island talking about shop glass, by the way, I was sitting next to. To Dr. Drew, who was having none of shop class either. He was all about school all the time. Dr. Drew thought two things. Dr. Drew thought if everyone went to college, we'd be in a better place. And if everyone thought like a chick, we'd be living in a utopia. He apologizes to me every fucking day for those two thoughts. He literally back to the thought, but he literally goes, I got it. I was so wrong. You are so right. And if I haven't apologized to you in the last 20 minutes, let me do it now, my friend.

[Dawson]

That's what everyone else in the world who was wrong should have to do forever. They should have to apologize to you every day for the rest of their lives.

[Adam Carolla]

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[Dawson]

Don'T miss the ace man. This November in the Lone Star State in Austin. This was Wednesday night at Cap City Comedy Club with Brian Callan in Fort Worth. Thursday, November 20. Two shows, 7pm and 9:30 at Hyenas Comedy nightclub. Then it's off to the Woodlands, Texas, which is near Houston for two shows. Friday, November 21st at the Do Si do the Big Barn. Then Saturday, November 22, the ace man's at the Rattlesnake Roadhouse in Walmart Springs, Texas. Grab tickets and enjoy the show. More [e-mail].

[Adam Carolla]

Pac Man Jones has joined us once again on the Adam Carolla show. Pac man is an extraordinary DB. I think 12, 12 years in the NFL. 13, 13 years. Yeah.

[Pac Man Jones]

Don't show me. Don't show me.

[Adam Carolla]

Who's counting fast? What was your, what was your 40 time, Pac Man?

[Pac Man Jones]

I ran four to seven.

[Adam Carolla]

Four two seven? Yeah. A documented four to seven.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Did you run it at the combines?

[Pac Man Jones]

No.

[Adam Carolla]

Four to seven has to be amongst the fastest ever in the NFL, right?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah, I think I'm in like top 12, top 10.

[Adam Carolla]

Because once you get under four three, you're in pretty rarefied air, right?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So just so people that don't play football know, if you're a guy who runs a 46 or 4 7, which sounds fine, but you're next to a guy who runs a 427 or something around a 43 at the end of the 40 yards, he'll be about 12 yards ahead of you, right?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah, actually I ran to 40 last year. I ran 45 2.

[Adam Carolla]

You ran a 45 as a, as a retired player who was 40 years old.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Speed is all God given, right?

[Pac Man Jones]

Most of it. I would say you can improve by doing the little things, but some people just have that fast twitch and I was just blessed to be one of those people.

[Adam Carolla]

I have this theory, but I don't know. Young guys, young boys, they're really obsessed. Like I remember when my son was 8, he'd say, this guy's the fastest guy in my class. He's the fastest. And it was speed. They loved it. Like we have a weird relationship with it. Like we worship speed, but we have cars and mopeds and stuff. But there's something, it means you were touched by God. That's what it means. Because you're just faster. The reason we appreciate it is it's like why we really appreciate really good looking people. It's because they were touched by God that you running a 427 is touched by God. I ran a 49 in high school and that's the best I could do because I was not touched by God.

[Pac Man Jones]

You know what I say, speed is one thing. You can't coach.

[Adam Carolla]

No, no. And so, and also I don't know why, but to me the sexiest position in football is db. I always dreamt about playing db. I never dreamt about playing quarterback or running back or any of the fun, you know, the glory positions, db. And then you punt returning, punt return and DB seem like that. That to me was the coolest position on the field.

[Pac Man Jones]

I want to say this. To me, defensive back is the hardest position to play on the football field besides the quarterback. Quarterback, I would say it's hard too, because the thinking aspect of it, but as far as ability to turn and twist and run forward, backpedal, being on the island by yourself is by far the hardest job to do on the football field.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I would say it's getting harder because of the size of the receivers now and because of those sticky gloves and because guys are making one handed catches. Like it used to be if a guy was covered, he was covered back in the day. I mean, I'm talking 30, 40 years ago in the NFL. But if you were covered, you were covered. Now you're never really covered because they're just going up and doing the back shoulder stuff and the one handed stuff. It's like I've seen many, many catches and many, many touchdowns where the DB was on the guy. I mean, they were, he was covered, but he still came down with the ball.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah, these, these kids are way more advanced these days than we was when we came out. The gloves are way better. The balls are, they get to play with the balls a lot more now as far as sanding them down and putting all the shit on the balls so they can catch the balls. I ain't gonna say it's easier because you still got to catch the ball, but with the tools that the kids have now, the gloves are way better and the balls are, I wouldn't say easier to catch, but they are, they ain't as harder to catch when, when we was growing up because they playing with the balls same way with the kickers. Everybody keep acting like, why are we getting these 70 yard field goals? Well, now the kickers get the, with the ball. When I came out, you had to open the ball. It had to be a brand new ball, what the kickers would kick. So the game is really elevated. More of an offensive game now, scoring more points, kicking more field goals than what it was when we was playing.

[Adam Carolla]

So when you were in the league, if you were kicking a field goal, that ball had to be untouched.

[Pac Man Jones]

Untouched. Brand new.

[Adam Carolla]

Not used in the game at all? Nope. Oh, so there's no kind of like in baseball, you'll always see the pitcher like rubbing on the ball, using that and rubbing, rubbing it on there, but right out of the box. So you figure that's good for what? Like is that good for an extra six yards on average?

[Pac Man Jones]

Way more than that.

[Adam Carolla]

Really?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah, I would say at least 15 yards.

[Adam Carolla]

Really? It's that big a difference in the, in the kicking game? I mean, it's hard to argue because guys. Well, someone just set a record, I think, for 67.

[Pac Man Jones]

69, wasn't it?

[Adam Carolla]

Huh?

[Pac Man Jones]

69, I forget, is the kid from Jaguars?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I think it's 67, but maybe it's 69. I mean, someone's going to get to 70. When you were playing. I think probably the only one who could have set the record was Janikowski. Seabass, maybe. Yeah, probably.

[Pac Man Jones]

I would say he had 68. You was right. Cam Little of Jacksonville.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, we were both, we were both right because it was right. It was right in the middle of us.

[Dawson]

68.

[Adam Carolla]

So someone's going to get to 70 in the next two years and it's going to completely change the game. So you, you grow up in a crazy environment, right? Let's see, you grow up outside of Atlanta or in Atlanta?

[Pac Man Jones]

In Atlanta. I grew up in a crazy environment. I was born in Bankhead, then I moved to Boat Rock. But you know, you don't realize that stuff till after you leave and life take you somewhere like, damn, I really stayed in Vietnam. Shit.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. I mean, how did you grow up? I mean, I know the story about your dad getting killed in front of the apartment building, I think when you were eight.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Which is crazy, traumatizing and I'm sure, I don't know if anyone tried to help you after that, but that's a lot of trauma for an eight year old boy to see his dad essentially murdered in front of where you live, right?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah, it was pretty crazy. And you know when you're going through stuff like at that time, I didn't realize like how crazy it was until you get out of the situation. But yeah, I wouldn't wish that on nobody. It was like Santa punk. I mean, wall and bus ride up like a. Take a while and then slam it down on the ground. That's what it. I can say it kind of remind me of. But. But through all of it, I figured out a way, thank God for my grandma teaching me something else better besides the shit that was going on around me, you know what I mean?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, how many people, by the way? Pac Man's got a Podcast politely Raw with Pac Man Jones. So you grew up in Atlanta. Where did you live? Was it apartment, was it housing? What was it?

[Pac Man Jones]

Oh no, we was in the city. The projects, we called them the jets where I'm from. But yeah, Boat Rock and Bankhead was where I stayed at. Bankhead is where my, my father passed and then we moved to Boat Rock, which was pretty much the same 10 minutes up the street, but same project, same thing.

[Adam Carolla]

And how many were in your family? Huh? How many family members did you have?

[Pac Man Jones]

Well, I was the only, I'm the only child, but I grew up with two of my cousins, James and Lewis, which was my mom's sister kids. And we stayed with my grandma after my dad died. My mom went to jail for like two years for money, laundry. And so I always stayed with my grandma like my whole entire life.

[Adam Carolla]

And what was the circumstance with your dad, if you don't mind the story?

[Pac Man Jones]

He was in the streets.

[Adam Carolla]

Just hustling, selling drugs.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Is there, what's it like right now in that, that same area? Is it the same? Is it better?

[Pac Man Jones]

Well, they towed down, they tow down both of the projects.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, they did?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Is there any version of a project that ever works? Cuz it always seems just to turn into a shit show.

[Pac Man Jones]

I would say Bogart work for me as far as my life. Like I wouldn't be who I am without the. With Boat Rock, you know, I was one of the guys that they really took care of. Like they wouldn't let me sell drugs, none of that. Like I wasn't allowed to do half of that because they believed in me so much because of my ability to play basketball and football. So like I was one of the guys that everybody took care of. I was supposed to make it is is what they would say. Like you're gonna get, you're gonna be the first out of here. So you ain't gonna be up here with us doing this like, and I'm thankful for that too, like, because it's easy to say than do, but what was it?

[Adam Carolla]

So is it understood? And we talk about they wouldn't let you do it. Are you talking about just gangs?

[Pac Man Jones]

Well, the guys in my projects that pretty much ran everything.

[Adam Carolla]

So the guys in your projects ran everything. And when you say ran everything, what do you mean?

[Pac Man Jones]

I'm saying they control the project. So they. My grandma was the bootlegger, my granddaddy. Like I don't know how to explain it, but like when I say ran everything. Drugs, power, respect, all of that shit. They would they would. They wouldn't allow me to even participate in half of the shit that they did.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. So the people in the project knew that you had ability and. And a gift, God given, 4, 2, 7, 40 time, fast twitch, muscle. So they knew. And they knew at what age? I mean, they didn't know when you were seven, right? Or.

[Pac Man Jones]

I don't know, bro. I made paper when I was nine years old. I had 40 touchdowns in 10 games. That's when I knew. When I made the AJC paper, I was like, yeah, I really got a chance at this.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. So at a very early age, they recognized your athletic ability and they said, you're not going to sell drugs, you're not going to get involved good gangs in trouble and whatever it is, we're not going to get killed and end up in jail because you're going to go to the. You're going to go to college, you're going to go to the NFL, you're going to make money, and we're not going to let you go down the path that so many others in the project are going down.

[Pac Man Jones]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

And it was understood and they said it to you and you knew it. So you could sort of walk around or sort of live in this environment with a feeling of protection.

[Pac Man Jones]

Oh, definitely. Definitely. Now, I got into some fights and shit like that, but as far as anything else, nah.

[Adam Carolla]

And you said your grandmother was a bootlegger?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

How's that work?

[Pac Man Jones]

We basically was the. The project that. I mean, the house in the project that sold food on Fridays. We sold candy, beer, liquor. Our house was like a store downstairs. Like, it's kind of crazy, but yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So it's like you ran a bodega in the projects.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And then where does your grandma get all the liquor and the food and the candy?

[Pac Man Jones]

From the stores.

[Adam Carolla]

But how's she working it where she makes a profit?

[Pac Man Jones]

She made a big profit. She. We used to go to the. It's just a bit warehouse to like sell chips, candy and all that. And we would go there. She would go at least twice a week. Like, that's how booming she was at that time. And where our project was, the store was like 10 minutes up the street. So it was way more accessible for people to come to the house and buy candy, chips, food, or whatever, et cetera that they wanted. Then going up to the store.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, so she wasn't pulling some kind of scam with Snap or something. She was just literally, I mean, it'd be like, people go to the Costco, buy a case of, you know, soda, and then bring it to the soccer field, and then just sell it at the soccer field for three bucks a can.

[Pac Man Jones]

Just like a concession stand.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. And that's what your grandma did, but with her unit.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And it was really just convenience. Like, people just showed up all cash.

[Pac Man Jones]

All cash.

[Adam Carolla]

That's so funny. So your grandma always had cash, right? Always.

[Pac Man Jones]

I used to hit her bank up every now and then before I go to school, but, yeah, she's always had cash.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. I gotta tell you, as interesting and a little dangerous as that sounds, my parents never had any cash. My parents were poor, too, but they didn't have a job where there was any cash. There was no ATMs. There just wasn't any cash. I knew guys whose moms were cocktail waitresses, which doesn't sound like a great job, but they had cash all the time because they'd get tipped out every night. And as a kid, you just needed three bucks or five bucks to go to school. But if there's no cash, there's no cash, so Grandma always had it. Now, did anyone ever try to rob you guys because the cash was there? No.

[Pac Man Jones]

No, no, no, no, no. You probably wouldn't want to do that, right?

[Adam Carolla]

Because there was a kind of law of the streets, right?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

You would have gotten into trouble even though they knew there was a bunch of cash in that unit. You would have gotten into a lot of trouble if you broke that rule. Right. Or if they fucked with you. Right.

[Pac Man Jones]

Well, I'm just saying, it's a. How do I say it? My family is known for a lot of things, and we had a great amount of respect for us and for my grandma. I just. Nobody would have came about this. That was the last thing you wanted to do.

[Adam Carolla]

Did your grandma. Is your grandma still alive?

[Pac Man Jones]

No.

[Adam Carolla]

Did she live long enough to see your success?

[Pac Man Jones]

Actually, she died my freshman year. I missed one college game, which was the Backyard Brawl. And she was sick. She had lung cancer, and she waited till I got there. I got home, seen her, I went and got something to eat. And before I came back, she passed away.

[Adam Carolla]

So, you see, you went to West Virginia. Wait a minute. What Was your West Virginia?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So she lived long enough to know you got a scholarship to West Virginia.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

But not long enough to see you enter the NFL.

[Pac Man Jones]

Correct.

[Adam Carolla]

And your mom, is she still around?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yes, my mom's still around.

[Adam Carolla]

So she obviously got to share that success with you.

[Pac Man Jones]

Oh, yes, she did. She did. She still shared the success, I should say.

[Adam Carolla]

And was she like, I Mean, I know she spent a little time in the joint, but she got out. She got on the straight and narrow after that.

[Pac Man Jones]

I don't know about straight and narrow, but she, she, she is doing pretty good.

[Adam Carolla]

Would she show up at the games wearing your jersey and that kind of shit?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah, of course. She's my biggest cheerleader.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah, about four.

[Adam Carolla]

How old were you when she was in prison?

[Pac Man Jones]

Nine, ten.

[Adam Carolla]

And that's when grandma kicked in?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah, Grandma was always there.

[Adam Carolla]

Were you able to go visit her and that kind of stuff? Nope. So just two years, I didn't see mom.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yep. Then I came home, what was it, my fourth or fifth grade year? I can't even fucking remember. And she was sitting in the room. I was like, oh, it's a ghost.

[Adam Carolla]

So you literally haven't seen your mom in two years? Starting at age like eight or nine, right?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yep.

[Adam Carolla]

By the way, when you're eight or nine, those two years, that's a lifetime. I mean that is a long ass time when you're young not to see somebody, especially your mom. And there's no contact and you have no idea she's coming home?

[Pac Man Jones]

Nope. I got a couple letters while she was in there, but as far as speaking to her while she was in there, nah.

[Adam Carolla]

And you just come home one day and she's just sitting in grandma's house?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yep, in my room.

[Adam Carolla]

In your room. Because she wanted to surprise you.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

What was that like?

[Pac Man Jones]

It was interesting.

[Adam Carolla]

Was.

[Pac Man Jones]

It was shocking, I shall say. But I enjoyed it. I shall say.

[Adam Carolla]

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[Dawson]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[Dawson]

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[Pac Man Jones]

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[Adam Carolla]

So you're a standout in Pop Warner football and peewee football. Probably a lot faster than everybody score all those touchdowns, go to high school, same thing, right? Yeah.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Probably starting both ways in high school, right? Yep. DB and running back.

[Pac Man Jones]

Safety and running back at the time.

[Adam Carolla]

Safety and running back. Then you get recruited to go to college and you gotta pick one side of the ball, right? They're not gonna let you play both ways in college.

[Pac Man Jones]

Well, I had to pick which sport I was gonna play. Cause I was really good in basketball too. So a lot of schools offer me in both sports. And I ended up choosing football because my coach, Coach Allen, was like, yo, it's only gonna be one Allen Arson. And kind of like shot my dreams down to playing basketball, right? And so I went and played football, but I pretty much had anywhere I could go in college.

[Adam Carolla]

So you got recruited to a lot of colleges?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah, a lot. Pretty much everything in sec. Only place I didn't get offered from was Notre Dame and Michigan.

[Adam Carolla]

Hmm. Wonder why that is. How were you in high school? Like, were your grades good and that kind of stuff?

[Pac Man Jones]

I made 1150 on Sat.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really?

[Pac Man Jones]

3.9 GPA. I was committed to Georgia Tech, so I had to be somewhat kind of smart to get into Georgia Tech. But yeah, I was pretty good with my grades.

[Adam Carolla]

And was that something that people were focused on, like your coaches, counselors? Yes, Grandma, mom, like, where they went. This kid is going to go to college and we need to make sure he studies for the SATs and his GPA is good and we're going to look after him.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah, I took SAT my freshman year.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah. It was known that, like, hey, bro, you gotta hurry up and go and pass this test because we don't want to be waiting to see what's going to happen. So I took it early.

[Adam Carolla]

I never took the SATs.

[Pac Man Jones]

What did you take?

[Adam Carolla]

I didn't take anything. I just went. I just went. I didn't take. I never took the SATs. I never took algebra and I had a 1.7 GPA. And I just left high school and started. Basically became a ditch digger. I didn't go. I didn't do anything. I didn't take the SATs because it would have been a waste of time. It was Like I wasn't going anywhere, I wasn't doing anything. So I did. I got recruited to play football at a few schools, but not good schools like yours. Weird schools, little schools, they pop into my head every once in a while. Marshall was probably the only real school that recruited me, but it was like UC Davis, Cal Poly, Pomona, Lewis and Clark, Willamette University. Yeah, a few of the Cal Polys and a few of the UC like Davis, like weird little non football powerhouse schools, you know, that's basically the player I was like good enough to get recruited, but not the real, not the real programs. But it just, I wasn't going to go. It was clear I wasn't going anywhere doing anything. So I figured what do I need to take the sats for? So I never took them. And my GPA was a little bit rough too. But it turned out I never needed any of it because I just got into construction so it didn't really matter. But I could if I had the, the four. What, what'd you run in in college? Did you, did you get a sub 4340 in college?

[Pac Man Jones]

Pretty much ran fast the whole time I was there. Like I had a great strength coach, Mike Bar, who, who put my body through hell, but I've always ran 431-422-778, 428-in college.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. When you see that, like when somebody does that, then people go, well look, we can teach him technique, but we could never teach him to run a 43 40. So we'll take the guy with the 4340 and then we'll just work technique with that person. But when they have a guy like me runs a four nine forty, they go, well there's nothing to work with here. Unless you know, if you're, if you're 67 and you're 330 pounds, maybe we'll make an interior lineman. But if you don't have that size and you don't have that speed, then there's really nothing to do in football. And football really will just eliminate people. It's not really like baseball or country singing where you can kind of hang on to your dream for a while. Football just kicks you out, right? They just go not, you're not big enough, you're not fast enough and you're not big enough and fast enough and you're gone. Right?

[Pac Man Jones]

They just, it's not for everybody. It's not for everybody. And the physical part coming there too.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, you can't will yourself to do it. Like no matter how bad you want it, if you don't got the wheels and you don't got the styes, then it's just, it's not going to happen. And it's probably good because there's a lot like you take stand up comedy, there's a lot of guys knocking around that are getting old, that probably should have given it up and gotten a regular job, but they won't give it up because it won't kick them out. You know what I mean? Football kicks you out. Yeah, football. By the time I was 19 and a half, it's like, you're done, moving on, go do something else. And there's a lot of, I live in la. There's lots of wanna be this and wanna be that. That need to be kicked out and told to be do something more realistic. But certain life choices don't really kick you out. They will let you just hang on to that dream. Sports boots you out. I don't know. What was it like leaving the NFL? Like that thing? For me, I was very depressed when I had to stop playing football. Very depressed. It was like the only thing I was good at. And now I can't do it anymore.

[Pac Man Jones]

Well, mine was a little different because I got to quit on my own time. So it wasn't like it kicked me out. I basically kicked myself out.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Pac Man Jones]

Mentally. I wasn't in the game no more. I was like, oh, yeah, it's time for me to step away.

[Adam Carolla]

But what was it like that first NFL Sunday, Week one, right after you retired, like, would you turn on the tv, see your teammates and everything? And what was that feeling?

[Pac Man Jones]

I'm saying it was different for me though, because like, I had the game taken away from me at a young age. Then I got to do everything that I wanted to do and I was kind of content with like, all right, I'm hanging the cleats up more than the cleats hanging me up.

[Adam Carolla]

No, I get it, I get it. But it still had to be a weird feeling after, you know, all those years of playing every season, not every Sunday. Cause you played Friday, you played Saturday, you know, high school, you play Friday, college, you play Saturday, and so on and so forth. But after all those years of doing that thing, I'm not saying you had regrets, I'm just saying was it a weird feeling?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah, I would say, if you want to say that, yeah, it was a little different mentally, you know, because I'm so used to getting ready to go and play, travel on Saturday, play on Sunday, and then having a whole bunch of time to myself. I would say that was the biggest thing because, you know, I'm so. I'm so set on this. That was the norm. I shall say. Then here I go. Like, I got all the time in the world that I need. So if you want to say from that aspect, it was a little different, but, like, I just. I enjoy. I enjoy when I retired, though, because I. I got a chance to spend more time with my kids and. And do different things. Now, at first when I'm like, damn, I gotta be at home with the wife all day. Jesus Christ. But besides that, I had. I had a smooth transition.

[Adam Carolla]

How'd you do with your money? Were you good with your money?

[Pac Man Jones]

I did pretty good. I could have saved a little bit more, dude.

[Adam Carolla]

What. What were the extravagant stuff like? What was the stuff you liked? What was the stuff you spent on?

[Pac Man Jones]

Oh, you don't know that. Script clubs. Oh, no, I'm just playing. I'm a big car guy. So right now outside my house, I probably got eight cars out there.

[Adam Carolla]

What do you got?

[Pac Man Jones]

Rolls Royce, Bentley Trackhawk, Cadillac truck.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, a Trackhawk.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Let me see. I got a picture of Trackhawk.

[Pac Man Jones]

It's made by Dodge.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, okay. That okay, like the fastest.

[Pac Man Jones]

It's a Jeep. It's like the fastest jeep there is.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, oh, okay. Yeah, so it's like a Cherokee with a Hemi in it that's all souped up. Okay, now I got Trackhawk. By the way, you know who had a track? Hawk? Weirdly. And now we gotta look into it. A million years ago was skateboarder Tony Hawk.

[Pac Man Jones]

Tony Hawk.

[Adam Carolla]

Tony Hawk. You know who Tony Hawk is?

[Pac Man Jones]

No, I don't.

[Adam Carolla]

That's awesome. Tony Hawk is like the biggest skateboarder in the world. Probably not a household name back in the hood, but had video games and I don't even know. That is great that Pac Man Jones has never heard of Tony Hawk. But I like it. It's good. The crashing is.

[Dawson]

Is.

[Adam Carolla]

Does Tony Hawk know who Pacman Jones is? He probably don't, because skaters, Skaters are not into sports. It's weird. You think because they're in a sport, skating is pretty crazy. But they're not sports guys at all, which is. Which is weird. They're skater guys. Huh. If I was making a bet, if Tony Hawk knows who Pacman Jones is, what would you say?

[Pac Man Jones]

I will put some odds on it, I don't think.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, he's a smart guy, though. All right, I'll table that for a second. But yeah, he had a Trackhawk. So what else before it was called a Trackhawk, and now it makes me wonder if they called it a Track Hawk because of him. But what else you got in the driveway?

[Pac Man Jones]

Trans Am. Burt Reynolds.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah, Smokey and the Bandit.

[Adam Carolla]

Where'd you get that?

[Pac Man Jones]

Actually, my wife bought it for me for my birthday a while back. I think I was turning like 30.

[Adam Carolla]

She bought. She bought you the Smoking the Bandit. Smoking the Bandit Bird. That is a cool piece and like the modern version of it, right?

[Pac Man Jones]

No, I got the real.

[Adam Carolla]

You got the 70s version of it.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah, 74.

[Adam Carolla]

Now, you say your wife bought it for you, but with your money.

[Pac Man Jones]

No, no, no. With her money.

[Adam Carolla]

With her money, yeah. Oh, well, then that is a good gift. Yeah. Tony Hawk had a Super Cherokee SRT8, which is basically the Cherokee SRT8. That's basically the Cherokee that you're talking about. Maybe before it was that. All right, what else you got?

[Pac Man Jones]

It's pretty much it. I think I named all of them.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, let me give you some car buying advice, because I've done a lot of it. You gotta get a couple of vintage cars in there because the vintage cars will be worth more 10 years from now.

[Pac Man Jones]

That's why I got that Trans Am.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, well, that was your wife's idea. But you gotta get something vintage because the problem with buying a Rolls Royce is they're 300 grand new, and then 10 years later, they're worth 120 grand.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah, I'm never getting rid of that car, though.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, okay, but you still gotta get something that's 120 grand that's worth 310 years from now. That's all I'm saying.

[Pac Man Jones]

That's the Trans Am.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, but get a couple more. That's all. Do you drive everything?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah, I drive everything.

[Adam Carolla]

Do you, like, you get into trouble? I mean, do you like going fast?

[Pac Man Jones]

I like going fast. I do my Trans Am. I swapped it out with a LS4. It's basically got everything the new Corvette got up under it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, so it's got like a. Like a Corvette engine in there and everything else as well. Pac man, the podcast Politely Raw with Pac Man Jones and your partner, Drew Butler that. Are we still dealing with tmz? No.

[Pac Man Jones]

Evan used to work with Tim Z, but he no longer a part of the show.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, so you can stream it on YouTube wherever you find our podcasts as well.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yes, sir. Politely wrong.

[Adam Carolla]

Pac man, good catching up with you, as per usual.

[Pac Man Jones]

Thanks for having me, Adam.

[Adam Carolla]

Thanks, man. We'll talk soon.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yes, sir.

[Adam Carolla]

All right. Well, I'm gonna be in Texas coming up Fort Worth, Texas, at Hyenas Comedy nightclub. A couple of shows there on Thursday and Friday. Woodlands, Texas Do Si Doe. The Big Barn will be there Friday and Saturday. Walnut Springs, Texas Rattlesnake Roadhouse coming up in Corona on December 6th. Just go to amcroll.com for all that. Dawson's gonna be in Vegas with our good buddy Rudy at delirious at Silver 7's Casino. And that'll be December 4th through the 7th. So until next time, Adam Corolla for Pac Man Jones and Dawson. Sam, Mahalo.

[Dawson]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[Pac Man Jones]

Being we save Just one less fight.

[Dawson]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[Dawson]

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[Adam Carolla]

Buckle up for drive World War Z.

[Pac Man Jones]

Every human being we save Just one.

[Dawson]

Less fight and Charlie's Angels damn I hate to fly. Launch into sci fi adventure with the fifth Element and laugh through the mayhem in Tropic Thunder.

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[Dawson]

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