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Best of ACS: Ja Rule and Adam Ray, Drake Bell, Kevin Federline, and Bill O'Reilly
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A
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B
Shit, I got to try some of this. Is that what you're sipping on?
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C
Yeah, I'm sipping on it, man. I see.
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A
You know, I think, I think we need to get a little taste.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Oh, you got some ice? Please, please do.
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B
Rude to not take if somebody has their own booze, man, you gotta listen, man.
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C
I need that, I need that Adam Cor a stamp. So the only way to get it is in the taste.
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A
That's up on my autograph. Series of butt plugs, by the way. Adam.
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B
Yeah, I have tried. I'm wearing one right now.
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A
Just want to make sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good to see you. Ja Rule. Where did the, the whiskey come from? Or when did that start? How long has it been going on?
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C
Well, we just, just now getting started. We're brand new, you know, spirit. We've been out maybe about six months now, something like that, but we've been working on it for about a year and a half.
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A
And for you, how's it all begin? Like where do you start? How old are you when you start whiskey? No music.
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C
Rap music. Oh, man, when I started rapping, it wasn't as lucrative of a business as it is these days. I just, I did it as A hobby. I did it for fun, you know, Beep. Like that type of thing, you know, in the lunchrooms. And we all get around the cyphers.
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A
And rhyme rap, you know, it's weird, all right? There's no barrier to entry to rap. So if you. Like. I grew up with poor people and nobody played hockey or lacrosse. Cause if you played hockey or lacrosse, you needed all the equipment, right? You needed helmets and pads and sticks and stuff and bags and duffels and parents that drove you to think nobody had any of that. So we didn't have that. And then I realized every time I drive past a park and I see, like, 400 Mexicans playing soccer, I was like, oh, it's the cheapest way you can keep a whole bunch of young people busy. It's like it evolved. It's from.
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C
Basketball is the same.
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A
Yeah, it's a cheap version. It doesn't involve having swimming pools or helmets or horses or anything.
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C
It's just cheap.
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A
Rap is sort of that. It's sort of like sock. It's the soccer of sports.
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C
Basketball or sports.
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A
Basketball's that way.
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C
You just need two turntables and a microphone, as we used to say. But it really started from grassroots, like I said, us beating on tables and.
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B
We putting lyrics to those beats, or we just.
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C
Yeah, exactly. That's what it was. Beating on tables, whatever. We used to play games. Yeah, we used to play games. We used to rap about whatever you see and things like that. It was like lyrical exercise, if you will. You know what I mean? So to be. To see hip hop come from those.
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B
Yeah, it's wild.
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C
Very grassroots. You know, early. Early stages to where it is now is kind of impressive.
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B
It's how you do have to get reps, though, right? Like, even for, you know, comedians, like, we just gotta get on stage and start throwing darts and, like, about shit that we only know. So I'm sure whatever you were, you know, rapping about at that point was just like, what? Well, I mean, do you even remember Foolishness?
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C
Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? Foolishness. I think my first rap, it was.
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B
Like, who's getting fingered on the bus?
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C
It was like, Sally. Sally from the Valley.
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A
How old were you when you.
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C
Probably about 15, right? 16.
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B
Is that when you remember doing what? Like, do you remember the time or I guess the place where you, like, put a string of something together where not only you were like, oh, that sounded pretty good. But people around you were like, oh. And like.
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C
Well, that's how it kind of started to evolve, you know? I'm in. We doing these ciphers and stuff like that at school, you know, on the corner before we get to school, stuff like that. We walk to school rhyming stuff. And then as it started to progress and we did it, more and more people started to say, you know, ja, call me Ja's. And I was left then. But they were like, left's pretty good. You know, left could rap. You know, left could rhyme. And then that's how it kind of started to, you know, get into my head. Like, maybe I am pretty good at this.
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B
Yeah, you need that outside perspective, right?
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C
You do sometimes. Cause, you know, especially when you're just playing around with it. You know, some people get serious at things and they think they're really good at something that they're really bad at because they're serious about it. But it doesn't make you good just because you take it.
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B
It's almost better to not be taking it serious because then people take it serious for you, and then it's kind of true. And you're like. You're just having fun and trying to explore and not. Not filling yourself with the heady concerns.
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C
Of, like, I need to make a show for. That's an amazing take on it. Because, you know, had I been, you know, like, this is what I'm doing. I'm getting into the rap game, you know, it might have had a different. People may have a different take on it and rub people differently than, you know, I'm just a dude like everybody else.
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A
Well, people need to sit back and watch their kids and see what they naturally do. You know, some kids want to just work with animals and take care of animals, and some people want to rap, and some people want to mess with computers. Like, just step back and see what they do on their off time naturally. And then that'll be what they should be doing.
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C
Absolutely.
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A
What they should be gravitating toward. Because other than that, you're trying to push them in some direction they don't want to go.
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C
Soar with your strengths. Yeah, simple as that. I tell my kids this all the time. It's a simple theory. If you're good at something, you can probably be great at it if you practice.
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A
Right?
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C
If you're not good at something, the best you're probably ever gonna be is good.
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A
Right?
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C
You get what I'm saying? So you soar with your strengths. Whatever you're naturally good at, put your time and effort into that, and you can probably be one of those 1% people that do it exceptionally well.
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B
Right.
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C
You know, but us as humans, our nature is to kind of correct our faults, you know, and do the things we're not good at. Like, all right, yeah, I can do that already. So let me try this over here. You know, instead of saying, like, I do this really well, let me hone in on this and be the best at this.
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A
Do your kids listen to you? And then also there's a third.
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C
They're my kids. Of course not.
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A
There's another element, which is a little ordinary. Misery is good. Like a little bored, a little no air conditioning. A little I gotta go outside a little. I gotta make my own fun. I gotta entertain myself. That's necessary. It's all gone now.
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C
It is. The kids don't have that. I mean, I can't imagine a world where we had like, the games that they had. Like, the games that we had was like, I'm going outside to play. You play that shit for an hour, you're like, all right. You know what I mean?
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A
Yeah.
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C
It wasn't with. These games are like real life shit. So. It looks amazing. It plays. Oh, we got one. We got a taster here. Cheers, fellas.
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A
Yeah, by the way, tastes wonderful, man.
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B
Pleasure to meet you, Jerry.
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A
I got to tell you, man, spicy.
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C
Got a nose.
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A
Yes, nose it.
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C
So. So. So let me just give you a little bit of a. It's a honey botanical whiskey. So we really wanted to make it for the whiskey. Curious that people that are not per se, whiskey drinkers, but you know, wanted to may want to try whiskey. We're a great entry point.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I was just going to say it's a little sweet.
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C
It's smooth, but it's, you know, it still has a strongness to it that whiskey enthusiasts can also, you know, love.
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B
You fucking nailed it, dude.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Thank you.
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D
Delicious.
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C
Thank you, man.
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B
I get down.
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C
Yeah. I'm at the sip this and it makes amazing cocktails. Like, if you like old fashioned.
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B
Oh, yeah.
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C
And like gold rushes. It's amazing. Amazing.
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A
Yeah. It's like there's beers that are like stout and they're like Guinness. And then there's IPAs, which are a little fruitier, a little sweeter, nicer citrusy notes. And that's easier for the first time beer person than the stout stuff. That's black.
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C
Exactly.
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B
Essentially, I have to do a quick cheers to Jah.
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C
The.
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B
The first time I grinded and dry humped with an older classman girl.
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C
Living it up, Living it up, man.
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B
I'll never forget it. I'll say her first name, Brooke. You know where you are bumping and grinding, dude. I turned from. I might have been bar mitzvah to 13, but I was a man.
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A
Oh, yeah?
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E
Yeah.
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A
That's funny. Nope, it's a banger, dude. You know, it's so funny because at 13, no group is further away from manhood than Jews.
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D
Yeah.
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A
Like, when LeBron James was 13, I could see him. I would sell him whiskey when he was LeBron James. But Jewish guys, mouthful of braces, glasses on, funky hair.
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B
Yeah, not happening.
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A
Nate Wittenberg was. That was my friend who was at 13. Looked like he was nine. Yeah, that's not his fan. I knew Hispanic guys with mustaches. Did you have 13?
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B
So we're a little bit different age. But what was your, like. What was your job rule equivalent of having, like, the dances when the dances got turned up a notch, you know what I'm saying? I mean, living it up was one of that.
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C
Was that 90, maybe 2,000?
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A
Yeah, it was. So things are cyclical in that. When I was in high school, school dances were out of vogue. School dancers were cool in the 50s, maybe they had a renaissance in the 90s and they were uncool.
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B
Oh, you missed the boat.
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A
Yeah, I missed a boat because it wasn't cool. It's almost like captain of the football team was cool in the 50s, but 1982, when I was captain of the football team, not cool. They were into punk rock, so it was like a weird, rebellious.
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C
A weird moment there.
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A
And also it's la. So that was more sort of punk rock than it was punk. Jock. Like, it wasn't jock. And letterman, like a letterman. You would have been a dork in a letterman's jacket. In my high school in the early 80s.
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C
That's crazy.
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A
So there was no sock hop or anything. It was considered for Orchard Squares.
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C
What year were you in?
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A
I graduated North Hollywood high in 82.
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C
Okay.
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A
And all that stuff was like bygone era. That happy day shit. You missed out, I missed out. And then I cast a lot of.
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B
Opening back going on in the Short Crystal Lunch Room.
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A
Yeah, we didn't. God, I'm trying to think. I mean, I didn't really pull a lot of tail in high school. I didn't. I was insecure. I. I didn't like myself.
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B
Dude, dances were also for. I mean, it's wild to think. I'm sure you know this just how instrumental, you know, your music, you know, has been for that. But it's like, dude, that, like, when you tap into songs that you feel that you. Whether you Know the words to them or not. Like, getting the confidence to go out and dance to them was first and foremost, you know what I'm saying? And liking it enough to want to participate. And then whatever happens after that is.
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C
Let me tell you, those. I mean, approaching women has changed. These kids, they don't even know how to approach a woman. They don't have to talk to a woman. They fucking on their computers or in the house or doing a few messages. They don't know how to really engage with women or to, you know, properly. It's weird.
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A
So, yeah, I don't. But I don't even know if they want the liability of talking to women anymore. Like, I think half the guys are.
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C
A little crazy these days.
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A
They're worried about getting me to. Or making the wrong move.
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C
Because if you're a hot guy and you, you know, you know, try to get at a girl or court a woman, it's that. It's just that it's courting. You know what I mean? But if she doesn't like you, it's fucking harassment. Sexual harassment. Like, this is crazy.
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B
I mean, I have a rule of thumb. If you hug a woman with big boobs, don't say, mm, mm, good, out loud. And other than that, you should be fine, you know?
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A
Yeah. That's the problem is it's in the eye of the beholder. And women, I've seen it a million times at the workplace. At the workplace, there's cool guy and there's creepy guy. And if cool guy comes in and says to the hot chick, looks like someone had some fun this weekend, she goes, oh, get out of here, Steve. And they walk away. And then she turns pink a little. If creepy guy comes in and goes, that's a nice dress. All right, I'm going to hr. Yeah, fuck you.
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B
His intention was probably more sincere.
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A
I'm saying this is the reality. It's all creepy guy versus cool guy guy. And problem with creepy guys is they never know they're creepy guys. That's why they're. That's how you're a creepy guy. And then.
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C
Well, I don't want to call him the creepy guy because then that makes him the creepy guy to the woman. Just, you know, they just.
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B
Not a season. He's a handful. More reps. Need some deodorant, little confidence, you know, maybe a PlayStation.
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C
You know, they're a work in progress. Guy working for.
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E
I like that.
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B
A wop. Yeah, he's the original wop.
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C
He's a wop.
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B
I'll be Right back.
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A
I. I always do this. It's my funnest hypothetical question for any woman. Any woman will go, they've worked at a place with super creepy guy, cool guy. And I always say to him, here's my ultimate hypothetical question. The ultimate hypothetical question is when people do one answer and then change their answer and then change back again and start asking if they can drink. That's how you know it's a good one. I go, look, what would you rather sleep with creepy guy? One night of sex with creepy guy. Now when it's over, he doesn't know it and nobody knows it. It's erased from everyone's memory. But you sleep with him, and you know it, or you don't sleep with creepy guy. And everyone in the office knows you did, including creepy guy. Which one do you go for? And they go, I don't care. I wouldn't sleep with them. And I go, at the Christmas party, at the picnic, everybody in the office knows. And then they'll go, can I drink? And then that's when I know I got him. They'll toggle. They'll go back and forth a little bit, but it is the ultimate. And it's how you always know creepy guy, because you just say to the office chick, imagine sleeping with Phil or whatever, and they go. They freak out, but it's not fair to them. They're just guys with male pattern baldness and bad orthodontic.
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C
What would be the equivalent of that on the female side? It would be, like, creepy girl. Who would she be?
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A
We don't.
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C
I mean, it wouldn't be creepy girl. It'd just be, like, Latin hot girl, I guess.
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A
Yeah, we don't really factor the personality in enough to be creeped out.
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C
Yeah, we just.
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D
Yeah, yeah.
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C
Guys are guys. We just. We just kind of. Yeah, what you look like is we're not too picky.
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A
Well, here's. Here's another stalker. Here's a hypothetical for both of you that we need to figure out now, okay? And, Dawson, you got to help me with this, because I can't. I can't remember. But I did. I did a numbers game, which is, you got to be in a threesome, right? And the threesome is. I think the numbers got to add up to 10 or 11 or something like that. Do you go with an 8 and a 2?
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B
Oh, I got you.
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A
Do you go with two fives? Like, two fives? Feels like. I don't know. What are we doing here?
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B
I already have my answer. One and nine.
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A
You go with A one and a nine. Yeah, but I mean, I'm kind of with you.
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B
One has none.
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C
Yeah, I'm kind of with y' all might, you know, like, you know. Yeah, two fives is not bad.
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B
Yeah, that's probably the move. That's probably the move.
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C
Maybe seven three.
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A
Two fives is like kissing your sister. It's like tying. You know what I mean? What are we doing here?
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B
One doesn't have all her teeth, does she? At least, like, is she more mobile than the nut? Like, stretched out, maybe, like, give and take.
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C
But here's the other thing. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So those two fives could be two tens to you, depending on what you see now.
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A
But here's the rub.
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B
Shut that down.
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A
There's no trying to connect.
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B
Jesus Christ.
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A
There's no fooling. The great magnet. The one is a one in your eyes. You know what I mean? Like. Like, if there's. Like, if there's someone who reminds you of your mom or something, it's like it's your version of a one and it's your version of a nine. That's all it is, right? Because for you, you might. A nine may be Asian and for me may be Swedish. For you may be black. You know what I mean? It's our version of a 9 and our version of a 1.
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C
Yeah, I think I'd go like, 9, 1, 8, 2. Because then you can at least tell your partners and friends, like, yeah, I did the charity work. Look at the look.
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B
Another friend.
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A
So you go high. You go high, low.
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C
You gotta go high, low. You gotta go.
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B
You gotta go high, low.
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C
Everybody can understand high, low.
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A
I don't. I wouldn't go eight, two. If I'm going. I go nine, one.
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C
That's it.
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A
And then what order do you go in?
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C
Nine. Nine.
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A
You gotta start with the. You start with it now. You don't start with the nine.
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B
Give one a sudoku and see how.
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A
She does with that nine.
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C
Nine and one watches. I don't know.
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A
You gotta be equal time, equal effort.
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C
Jesus.
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A
You gotta start with the one.
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C
All right? Then you gotta start with the one.
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A
Yeah, you gotta start with the one.
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C
You gotta get the rub out, and then you're on beast mode time then, huh? Yeah.
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A
And when you're done with the one, can she stay?
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C
Yeah, go ahead. Fucking hang out.
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B
That was definitely not convincing.
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A
Wow.
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B
I already. I saw him calling the Uber as he said. Yeah, hang out for a bit.
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C
Listen, somebody's gotta keep the music going, keep the drinks flowing and the Weed blowing. So go ahead.
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B
Is wait, I have a question for you. How much do you think because you were a part of that MTV trl, like that pop off, right? Like, and nowadays obviously with like social media and just how, how much quicker somebody can get recognized or get exposure, there's a, I think a blessing and a curse to that right. Of getting and same same with us with, with comedians as far as like having a clip pop off before you're ready to actually back it up. I just. How do you. I guess, what's your, your take on. Because you got to experience a more genuine like cream rises to the top. Like there's only a few spots to really get seen versus now everybody's got the chance.
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C
I'm torn with this because on one hand I really get it. Independent artistry is everything. Independent artists deserve to have their moment and their time, you know, or to be able to have an even playing field against the machine. Right, I get it. But then on the other side, after you see so many bad independent artists, you're like, fuck. The gatekeeper is also needed because it hand picked the best out of, you know, we had to pick of the litter. It wasn't like everybody was thinking they're an artist that can do this kind of the same thing to comedians. Well, there's. You guys were always kind of like that. There was no label that signed comedians or anything like that. But you had to go through the circuit and if you were good, you fucking made it. If you weren't, you know, you didn't get to go online and be funny for three seconds or whatever, and that's like baked in funny. You're not really fucking funny. Anybody can be. I can be funny for three seconds, trust me. You know what I mean? So I think as much as I do love the independence of that and artists to be able to express themselves in that way, I also believe that artists should be. Artistry should be nurtured and you know, there's something there that. You know what I mean?
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A
No, I know what you mean in that I hear the story all the time. Adam, you probably hear it as well. You get these guys, they do this stuff online. They only have a few minutes of material. It catches fire and then the club books them and they don't have an hour. No, they got 10 minutes of stuff. And they really shouldn't be up on that stage because the stage is like, you gotta work your way to that stage.
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C
That's what I'm saying.
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A
They do the work, they skip the.
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C
Line, skip the process.
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A
Right. And it's not fair to them because now they're up there bombing because someone sort of artificially pushed him to the front.
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B
Right.
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D
Yeah.
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B
You need the good support system. But the, the, but it is a.
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C
Little bit their fault, too.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Because if you, if anything, that you want to make your career, you gotta study the craft. You gotta, you know, study. The greats want to be great. Like, I don't, I don't, you know.
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B
There'S no replacement for the work. The reps are truly like. And time is your best friend. Right. In both of our worlds.
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C
Probably gotta do the work.
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A
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F
That's a good way of putting it.
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A
Yeah.
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F
Yeah. I mean, definitely. I mean, it's been amazing for my career and showcasing my music. I got to write all the music for the show back in the day. And so it, it's really nice to be able to go out and tour and playing music that people are familiar with from the show and getting to not, you know, not having people hand me songs and tell me what to play on the show. And so it was a, it was, it was a cool creative outlet and, you know, and obviously with a lot of the stuff that's kind of been uncovered in the past year or so. Yeah, I Guess that would be kind of the curse.
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A
So quiet on the set. That was the doc, and it highlighted all the abuse and all this stuff over at Nickelodeon, which I remember when it came out was a big deal, but I didn't watch it because I tend to get depressed with those types of situations. But is Nickelodeon sort of like, I don't know, the Catholic Church? Like, who would be attracted to work with those people? I don't mean the Catholic Church. What I'm saying is, I don't want to get involved with scouting, for instance. But maybe I was a Catholic big brother. There was a big deal, like, are you a pedophile? We need to know why are you here? What has attracted you to be a random Catholic big brother? I don't have any notion about working with kids. It probably annoys me.
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F
The thing about the doc that was kind of a bummer was that it specifically focused on Nickelodeon. But it's really just Kids TV or kids in anything, you know what I mean? In soccer, in baseball, in racing, whatever. It's just like you said, you always have to have those things of. Okay, dude, like, why. Why do you want to do this job? You know, like. Yeah, and. Which is weird. Cause it's like, you don't want to have to do that. But it's. Yeah, it was. My experience. Was not a good one.
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A
You were a survivor of molestation? I guess we'd say.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Was an acting coach. Yeah.
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F
And there was a dialogue coach that worked on the show. So a dialogue coach for those who don't know. There's, like, people who run lines with you. So they're not the director, they're not the producer. They're not. But they're around whenever you're rehearsing and say, for example, it's like, oh, I've got this scene coming up with Adam. I want to run my lines, but Adam's, you know, not available. So I go up to the dialogue coach and say, hey, can I run my lines with you? Blah, blah, blah, blah.
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A
Yeah.
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F
And so. And if someone's not available, they follow.
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A
You around with the script.
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F
Yeah. And they'll do some stuff, but they're always around. So they're like, ever present on set. And that was the person that I had. That I was involved with.
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A
Is that person behind bars now?
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F
No.
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A
Is there any repercussions? Oh, they were.
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F
Well, he did well, because he must.
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A
Have done this quite a few times.
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F
Well, I mean, my case with him is the only one that's ever come to light. But I There's no. There's no way that it's not a.
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A
One and done type.
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F
No, especially the way that it was done and how it calculated. And one of the wild things was that after. So you didn't want. You really don't know anything about this, huh? Do you want me to blow your mind?
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A
Yeah, I heard bits and pieces. Like I said, I got kids, you know, I got depressed. It makes me depressed.
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F
All right, I'll just give you, like, a couple of. Not highlights is a horrible way to put it, but just like some things about the things that kind of. I mean, obviously the abuse and all of that was the hardest to endure, but the things. The aftermath of it, which was really eye opening and shocking. For example, and this is pre tmz, pre Twitter, pre. You know, when we had the trial. Well, it wasn't a trial. It was a sentencing. See, he pled. And so nobody was worried about showing up to a courtroom and a courthouse to support this guy and have TMZ outside making a list of all the celebrities and executive producers and directors that are in support on the left side of the courtroom, you know, so no one was concerned. So I show up to the sentencing, and this is after the whole, you know, the investigation. It's like a year and a half, two years of just the. You know, my hair fall. It was the most. Not. It's just unbelievable, you know, talking to detectives, telling them what happened, having to catch him on the phone, you know, doing a sting operation with a phone and a recorder in a room, like a movie, you know, like I'm watching Forensic Files or something. And then when we showed up to court, on my side of the courtroom was me, my brother. My memory is fuzzy, but I think that this is who was there. It was me, my brother, my friend Michael, my stepdad, and my mom. And on the left side of the courtroom, there was not an empty seat.
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A
Actors, directors, in support of pedophile abuser.
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F
They wrote 41 letter.
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A
Wow.
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F
In support. Do you want. Yeah, I don't think this is.
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A
Go ahead.
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F
I don't know if this is good. I don't know if this is good for air, but, you know, I'm gonna have you read this off air because you can go Google them. Just 41 letters from. And I'm telling you, it's so wild.
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A
Essentially calling you a liar.
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F
Calling me a liar. Calling me. No. Say, no, no, no, no. They couldn't call me a liar because he admitted to everything on the phone.
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A
Right.
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F
I got him recorded admitting everything. So they couldn't call me a liar, but it was my fault. I instigated it. He was immensely under. He was under immense pressure from me that I was pursuing him, that I was sleuth, like in my.
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A
You are how old at this point?
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F
13?
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A
Yeah. Okay, keep going. Sorry. I know. Nuts, but.
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F
Right? And I'm just this like, kid. I'm like, cool. I got this show and I get to do what I love to do and I get to act and wow. Everyone's really nice and everyone's creative like me. You know, it's like when you join theater class, you're like, whoa, I found my people. You like to be goofy and make weird voices and you don't take stuff seriously and. Oh, cool. You know, and that's kind of the environment that I was like, living in. And. And unfortunately, it's like there's this blurred boundary of you.
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E
The.
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F
The young kids want to be hip and cool and want to hang out with the older people and fit in and want to, you know, be respected by the director. And, you know, we are. This is my job and this is my craft and I want to be, you know, even though I'm just a kid, like, you want to move, navigate through this, like, adult world and be looked at.
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A
Yeah, I get it. I totally get it.
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F
You know, and so you get. And then all of a sudden people just start to like.
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A
But it was really the 41 people showing up in support of this.
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F
Well, that's 41 letters that were written letters. There were way more people that showed up. And the letters. I mean, I'm not gonna put it on there. You got. They're so. Cause I didn't. Okay. I didn't know about the 41 letters.
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A
When you just knew who was in the courtroom.
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F
I just knew who was in the courtroom. When they did the investigation for this documentary, the letters were sealed. So all of these people thought that these letters would never see the light of day.
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A
Uh huh. And they turn out to be some prominent people.
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F
Dude, they're all celebrities. They're all famous.
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A
Really? Yeah. Most famous person who?
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F
James Marsden.
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A
Really?
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F
Yeah. Works like crazy on. I mean, the guy never stops working. Go look at his Instagram. Go look at his Instagram messages, comments. I'm surprised that he just went. I'm surprised he's working and Justin Baldoni's not. That's crazy, right? It's wild.
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A
So he worked with him when he was younger.
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F
In his pocket, letter about how. And what was so amazing, which I thought was just blew my mind was in all of these letters. They were like, I never felt uncomfortable around him. He never made me feel uncomfortable. I've shared hotel rooms. I'm like, you're all adults, right?
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A
Yeah, yeah.
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F
Like, that's like me saying like I'm, I like grown women and I get accused of something. But then my friend's like, well, I shared a hotel room with him and he never made me feel uncomfortable. Yeah, it's like, well, I know you're not, you're not really in his. Yeah, like, but they're all like, he never, I mean, grown women, like, I always felt comfortable around him because you're not a 13 year old little boy.
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A
Right.
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F
Like, it's just wild.
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A
Really disappointing.
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F
Yeah.
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A
Like at the end of the day, Joanna Kern.
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F
I mean, Alan thicke.
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A
Alan Thicke, TVs.
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F
TVs dad, praising Brian, saying that he would, saying that he would write, that he would work with him tomorrow, that he would be happy to have him work around kids. Everything, all of this is all in the letters. And he admitted to it. He admitted to it. This is no, like, hey, I'm just taking a bullet here or I don't really understand what happened. Like, no, it's literally like the count. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Like oral copulation. I mean, I don't want to go into the whole thing, but.
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A
And they wrote the letters after knowing.
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F
That there's like people that I grew up with that I, I mean, one of my favorite directors that I worked with that I, he was, felt like he was one of my best friends and loved it and all this. And then all of a sudden, so, so they were sealed. So years later when they did this documentary is when they petitioned the court to unseal the letters. So I got a stack of letters like this that I never knew existed.
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C
Oh, wow.
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F
By people I thought were my friends, celebrities. Taran Killam from snl, James Marsden, Alan Thicke, Joanna Kearns, Will Friedle, Ryder Strong. I mean, the list goes on. Prominent there were letterheads from big producers that literally their company is like such and such family entertainment. And then just a scathing, I mean, excuse me, not scathing, just a glorifying letter of how amazing this person is.
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A
Well, I mean, you wonder why this stuff was able to go on. I mean, you think about Harvey Weinstein and guys like that, but you wonder why these things were able to sort of perpetuate themselves.
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F
What was so wild is like, see, now my tinfoil hat goes on, you know, and I start going through my life as going, that's a huge story. Right, right. Like, that's a massive story. In within three months of each other, two major cases are picked up at the same show on the same show on the same network at the same thing, three months apart. Major cases of abuse by mine, and then another one by a guy named Jason Handy. And you never. That's a headline, right? Children's television, three months apart. And then there was another one, but it was at the animation studio. I mean, if I was an investigative reporter, I'm looking at this like, oh, this is my. This is my. I'm gonna break this story. And it's 2004, 2005, and this is going down at this big, prominent children's network. And, you know, and then everything that goes on inside of it of, like, you know, just the make. The mechanism of having to keep these kids, you know, oh, you have to be a good role model, and you have to look like this. And then, you know, just the. Like, Jennette McCurdy's book, you know, she's like, all of a sudden, I'm 13, walking down the street, I get a picture taken of me. It gets put in the magazine and tells me I'm fat. I'm like, dude, I'm just a kid eating a donut. Why do I have to. Now look at somebody calling me fat in a magazine. Hope she has more eating donuts and Starbucks. Like, dude, I'm just a kid. And so all of that put together, I'm like, dude, this is a huge story. And it was radio silence, dude. You couldn't. So I'm like, is there somebody. But if I trip outside of a bar that I wasn't even in, Drake Bell's drunk outside of a bar, all over the news, and I'm like, is there somebody up there? Because you can't find anything on Brian. You can't find anything about my case. You can't find anything about until now, after the documentary. But it was literally, like, you couldn't find anything on the Internet about it except for, like, on the official, you know, police website or Megan's Law. Like, nothing. Nothing.
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A
I mean, listen, 10 minutes ago, I thought everything was. I didn't believe in any conspiracy theories. And then Covid came around, and a few other situations came around, and I'm kind of mostly.
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F
Well, that's what the letters did to.
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A
Me with a lot of this.
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F
Yeah, the letters. Because going through my whole life, right, I go, okay, there's bad actors in Hollywood. Well, obviously, right? Bad actors. But there's. There's bad players in Hollywood, right? There's bad players and everything. You're gonna have somebody at your job that you're like, oh, he, you know, he said something inappropriate or he's. He's being a little weird, like. Or, hey, this coach is. You know, we see it in sports. We see it everywhere.
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E
Right, sure.
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F
So, wow. I just lost my train of thought.
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A
You didn't.
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F
I don't know why. I just. I just had a total break.
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A
Well, look, it's all right. Cause it's kind of this emotional subject and it gets probably the adrenaline pumping.
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F
I had a point for that. Well, I'll get back to it.
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A
All right. I think what you were saying was, is.
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F
Oh, that's what I said.
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A
I think it's really isolated. And you see the letters.
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F
There we are. So you think that there's. Okay, but there's bad players and everything. Like, you gotta keep your guard up. You gotta watch out. But when I got the letters, I was like, wait a second. So there really is a cabal. There really is an onion of. There's the perpetrator, then there's the people who protect them. Then there's the people who. And how many people didn't write letters that just met with him at dinner and said, hey, man, I'm not writing a letter? Cause that might get out one day. No, they're sealed. Nothing sealed. You know, I'm not putting my name on it, but, hey, come to dinner at my house. Hey, I'm in your corner. I'll support you. You need a job. You need work. You need this. I got you. He went to work on Nickelodeon, right? I mean, Disney Channel. Right after he got out of jail.
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A
Really?
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F
Yeah.
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A
How long did he spend in jail?
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F
16 months. Wow, that's 16 months. And he went to. As soon as he got out, he went and worked on Suite Life as Zack and Cody.
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A
Well, all I can say.
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F
Registered. Registered. Just out of jail. I'm going to write a book called.
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A
I Had no Idea Adults would be this Disappointing.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Drake, let me give you a plug. I'm sorry. It's a very interesting story and it's fascinating and I appreciate your candor. Nonstop Flight is available now on Spotify and Apple Music. And Drake, I'll just have to have you back not to talk about this subject, but we'll keep going on music.
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F
Well, no, I love talking with you. I'm a big fan. I've listened to you for years. And back in obviously, like the Loveline days when I wasn't supposed to Be listening to it. My parents didn't know. Learned a lot from that show as a young kid, but yeah. So anyway, this has been really cool and I'd love to come back.
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A
Thanks, Drake.
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D
So is your feelings. Stream Pluto TV. Stream Pluto TV. Stream Pluto tv for free.
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A
Stream blockbuster hits like 21 Jump Street Ted, the Expendables and so much more on Pluto TV. Stream now pay Never. Kevin Federline is joining us. He's in Hawaii with a beautiful vista behind him. You thought you knew is the name of the memoir. It's available now everywhere. You guys have probably been hearing bits and pieces of this book come out. If you watch shows like I do, like tmz, I've been seeing Kayfed pop up here and there. Always in Hawaii, always jealous and talking about the book and we can get into that. I'm kind of. I like your story as well. So you grew up in Fresno? I grew up in North Hollywood, California. So we're both sort of SoCal guys. Or at least I'm a SoCal guy. Fresno guy, not too far away. I don't know what's Fresno? Four hour drive or something. Five hours.
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E
I used to do it in under three when I was younger.
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A
Oh really?
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E
I got a couple tickets doing that, but yeah, it's just probably about 3 hour, 20 minute drive.
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A
Same neck of the woods. And you grow up. Dad's a mechanic. Right. Mom's a bank teller. So just pedestrian, kind of blue collar. Yeah, Fresno's very blue collar. No glitz and glamour. Doesn't probably feel like California the way people would picture California who weren't from here, Right?
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E
Absolutely.
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A
And just working class. So for you growing up, what's the plan? I guess dancing is sort of like singing. You sort of figure out you can do it early on.
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E
Yeah, I mean, I was a teenager when I really, you know, I mean, even when I was young, it was the music that really drove me to want to dance. So it's always been, you know, fueled by music. But yeah, growing up, you know, I started out probably 13 years old dancing. And during, you know, the later part of my teenage years, I ventured off into some other crazy lifestyle and found it again. Thank God for my best friend, Jimmy Federico. You know, I talk about this in my book. It's like I feel like that friendly competition turned into something that allowed me to achieve dreams that I had always had since I was young.
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A
Well, you danced for and with, I guess Michael Jackson, Justin Timberlake, Aaliyah, lfo, Destiny's Child. So how would you Rate yourself as a dancer, because I think people know you for other things, but they don't really think of you that way. But you have to be good, otherwise you don't get to dance with Michael Jackson. Right.
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E
That's very, very true. That is very true. At one time, I was in the top, you know, percentage of dancers, for sure. I absolutely loved it. And then, you know, I used dance to kind of. It was like my therapy growing up. So, you know, it became a part of me instead of just something to do. And I feel like, you know, I took that to the big leagues.
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A
And how does it. How do you go about dancing for Michael Jackson or Destiny's Child or Justin Timberlake?
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E
Well, some of them. You know, Michael, I had to audition for. And it really came down to me and one of my other best friends who was actually a choreographer for Justin Timberlake, Marty Koudelka. We were the last two in the room for the last spot for this Michael Jackson video. And, you know, it's kind of political at that point, you know, and I wound up getting it over him because I. I truly believe that Marty is. Marty's probably the better dancer.
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A
Well, then why did they want you if he's the better dancer?
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E
I don't know. You know, that whole thing kind of played out weird. I had connections to the director, and I had, you know, Marty had half the room pushing for him, and I had half the room pushing for me. And then it wound up being that I got pulled down into Universal Studios backlot, and this was weeks later, and they played the track. And I talk about this in my book. And what really landed me the job was that they made me freestyle to. You rock my world before anybody had ever even heard it. And that's what got me the job over Marty.
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A
And when you say freestyle, they just go, I'm gonna start playing this song. And you just move however it moves you.
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E
That's right now I'm gonna play the record and you do your thing. You know, whatever it is you do, do it, which is a tight place to be in. In that situation when you know that, you know, probably one of the best performers in the world of all time is going to be watching somehow, some way, whether it video or whatever, he saw it.
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A
So you're dancing and you do which Michael Jackson video I did.
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E
You rock my world.
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A
Oh, you did freestyle too?
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E
Yeah. Yes. Yep, yep. So. And that was, you know, I got the pleasure of meeting Marlon Brando, Chris Tucker, you know, a lot of. Lot of big names at that time. And I mean, you know, in history, it was. It was a very, very good experience for me as a dancer. I felt like it was like the top of the top of everything.
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A
And if we watch that video, we'll spot you in it.
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E
Yeah, you could spot me. I'm one of the guys on the end. I used to wear my hair and braids back then, so you can kind of see my brai sticking out, like ponytails almost.
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A
And like, for Destiny's Child or Timberlake. Are you doing videos or are you going out on tour?
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E
So I did for those two, I did videos and I did performances at the Grammys, you know, all the award shows, things like that. I didn't wind up going on tour with either one of those two. I went on tour with Pink. You know, it's all a bunch of different types of things. Right. So you're doing music videos with different artists, you're doing tours with different artists, radio shows, award shows, commercials. I mean, it's just, you know, everything. Entertainment.
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A
Yeah. On the subject of not nearly as glamorous, when I used to be a carpenter, I worked for. I got on sort of the celebrity assistant circuit. And you just got passed around, like, word got out, and then you just work and someone would call you and they know you work for Katie Seagal. So Scott Baio's guy would call you and you'd go do something for him. And it's just kind of word of mouth. Is that kind of how it went for you?
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E
Yeah. So it was in the beginning. You're really trying to establish letting people know who you are and. And knowing that you're going to show up and knowing that you can actually do the choreography. And from there, for me, I. I just got better and better and better. And I learned all these different styles of dance of all these people that were working. And, you know, people started talking and that was it. Once you start growing your resume, you know, then people see what you've done and that's it. Good work gets more work. I think I said that in the book.
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A
So fast forward, you meet Britney Spears now. I didn't know this. I was guilty of it, too. I think people think you danced as a backup dancer for her just because they did the math. But you didn't.
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E
That's right. That's right. I never danced for Brittany. No tours, no. You know, the only video I was ever in was after we were already together. But I did meet her through a dancer that was a mutual friend at a nightclub. And that's where it all the sparks went flying from there.
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A
Were you a big Britney Spears fan before you met her?
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E
I mean, it wasn't really the music genre that I listened to personally. You know, I wasn't really a pop guy. I was always more of a hip hop and R B guy.
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A
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, you can speak to this, but there are musicians who just want to play, and the musicians who just want to play. You can find them on a stage in front of 13 people on a Sunday night because they just want to play. And there's comedians who just want to play. AUC comedians. They'll pop up everywhere all the time. And then there are guys that quit the second they get a sitcom and, and you talk to them and they haven't done standup in 20 years. It's because they don't really like standup. They just did it so they could get a sitcom and now they got a sitcom. They don't need to do standup anymore. And then there are guys who, with a sitcom and millions of dollars, will be out on any given night at some club that's half full. Britney Spears and like sort of Pahla Abdul. They didn't strike me as people that needed to get up on stage and play. They almost felt like creations to me who had ability but also didn't have a love, like a pure love for the game. Is that a correct assessment?
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E
I think that's maybe yes and no, Right. I think that, you know, because I could tell that she, she does love music, right? She, in her spare time, I mean, she would get on a piano and just try to create. Try to create. She had that very creative mental. Now, getting up on stage in front of all of those people. Excuse me. Getting up on stage in front of all those people. You know, I, I don't know. You know, that was like an up and down situation. It's like one minute you want to be up there and you want to do all these things, in the next minute you want to run from it, you know, and I, I kind of. Over the last 20 years, I, I understand that feeling. Right. Because I've kind of been shown that everything that I wanted is, is everything that I hate, especially when it comes to Hollywood.
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A
With Britney, it always just seemed like she had some underlying psychological deficits or issues and that, that was just something that plagued her and she had to sort of deal with. And maybe it wasn't dealt with correctly, but it always seemed like she just had issues, for lack of a better term.
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E
Yeah, I mean, for me, I didn't really see it until later on. Right. I didn't see. I mean, there were signs, and I talk about this in my book too. There, there were things that I kind of passed off as, you know, her gaining fame at such a young age and, and being able to have the world at her fingertips and never being told no. And, and, you know, a lot of things that I, you know, I tried to put some type of perspective on while we were together. It wasn't until our divorce and, and seeing what happened from that and, and the spiral and all of that, where it really became apparent to me that, yes, there's, you know, unfortunate things there.
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A
Would you typify yourself as a normal guy from Fresno who is in a kind of abnormal environment?
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E
100%. Right. 100%. I am exactly that. I'm just a normal guy. And I was put in an absolute extraordinary situation, one that I couldn't have prepared for in a thousand years. And so that's kind of what the story of my life. Right. I got stuck navigating a situation that I had no idea what it was when I got into it.
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A
Well, you were young, like 26 when you guys met.
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E
Yes.
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A
And so you didn't have any tools to really deal with that sort of in a weird way, you know, it's like when some inner city kid signs a multimillion dollar contract to go to the NBA and he's 19 and they go, what'd he spend that money on, that junk jewelry for something. Because he doesn't know he's totally ill equipped for this environment in this situation.
- [52:32]
E
That's exactly right.
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B
Right.
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A
So was there any thoughts where you thought that we should get into some counseling or we should talk to somebody or we should like, figure this thing out?
- [52:48]
E
Well, no, we didn't really get that chance, you know, because when, when it, when it went left, I mean, it really went left, you know, I mean, there was. After the night of my album release party, I went to my lawyer because I knew that she was just done listening to anything that I had to say upon the topics. And, you know, from there it was five or six days after that she filed for divorce. You know, and then, I mean, when you go through divorce in California, for us, especially since we had kids, yeah, we had to go to like therapy sessions per the court. But I mean, all of that was just basically trying to structure how you're going to manage your family, a broken family. It was never like marriage counseling or anything like that. So we didn't get the opportunity to do that.
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A
Also, she comes from pretty humbling, a humble environment, kind of out in the sticks and stuff. She probably wasn't prepared for any of this stuff either. I mean, you had two people who were ill equipped for this lifestyle all of a sudden, sort of put together in one mansion and told that to. Told to figure. Figure it out.
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E
Right. Yeah. I mean, I truly believe that's a very true statement. Right. It's. Neither of us were prepared for any of this. And I don't really know that you can prepare for fame like that. Right. And I talk about fame in my book and the way that I see it is like the most powerful drug on the planet. You know, I. I just don't know. And there's people that are out there that handle it well and they, you know, they're off doing what they love to do, and they seem to manage it okay. But I mean, that's few and far between. I mean, at some point it hits you and you get caught in this whirlwind of all kinds of things, and adding your ego on top of that and thinking that you could conquer the world, I mean, it's just. It's a mess. It's a hard situation to do.
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A
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D
You know, you almost made the cut, Carolla. I had to think long and hard now, putting you on a cover with Mao and Adolf and the Ayatollah and Putin, but I figured that'd be unfair. Carolla does have some good points.
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A
I do have some decent qualities. I recycle. I rinse my coffee mugs out before I throw them in the sink. So, Bill, how did you narrow this group down, this rogues gallery?
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D
Good question. Interesting question. So I wanted to tie in people in the past, like Caligula, Genghis Khan, Henry viii, these people to the present. Hitler, Stalin, Mao. We got Putin in the ayatollah. Ayatollah is dead, but there are little ayatollahs that took up for him. They're contemporized. But all the people, 15 of them, there are four in the COVID 11 more in the book. They influenced the way we live today in a negative way. Okay.
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A
Right.
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D
And it's a. That's what I wanted to do. So you had a guy like Pol Pot in Cambodia, slaughtered millions of his own people, piled the skulls up, killing fields. But he didn't have much influence outside of Cambodia.
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A
Right.
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D
You got Henry viii. Okay. Big fat Henry. He basically started religious wars that still. There are still religious conflicts to this day. Ireland is the best example between the Anglicans and the Catholics. That was all Henry viii. I had told her, the head of the snake on 9 11. This is 911 week. Head of the snake. Okay. So that's how I chose them. And then the numbers of people, human beings that these men killed. And here's something. One more thing. To answer your question, I couldn't find a woman to put in the book. There were no women who have ever lived that rose to this kind of evil. And we looked, we searched, and we couldn't find them.
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A
You don't want to put Maxine Waters on there. I mean, I could give you a short list of evil women.
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D
I'd say they're. Yeah, I'd say they were misguided more than evil. Evil is when you enjoy hurting other human beings. Now, I don't know, Ms. Waters, maybe she does. But the guys that I Have in the book, there's no question Putin is on the COVID Enjoys sending rockets and drones into Ukraine to slaughter women and children. He likes it.
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A
Right.
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D
That's how psychologically damaged and evil he is.
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A
Well, what lessons are there to learn? And what lessons have we not learned? Because I feel like we as a society have a difficult time understanding evil and we get burned by it. And an example is 9, 11. If you think to yourself, part of the reason those towers are gone is because we couldn't imagine somebody flying a plane into a tower where you would say, but the first person that hit the tower would be them. So who would do that? You know, I understand hijacking a plane and taking it to Cuba and getting paid a million dollars and that kind of stuff, but just unadulterated pure evil we have difficulty with in this society.
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D
No question. And the reason is because many Americans, perhaps most, turn away. They turn away, particularly in the urban neighborhoods. So it used to be that if you sold heroin, you were pariah. Nobody wanted to associate with you. They'd call the cops on you. All right? You were the lowest form of humanity. Not anymore. Not anymore.
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A
Right.
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D
And in the urban centers, L.A. san Francisco, New York, you know, the deals are. They're right out there in the corner waving you down, hey, hey, I got some. We just turn away. It's okay. It's not okay. It's evil. You sell drugs, you're evil, period. Because you don't know how that drug is going to affect the person who's taking it. Yeah, the person's buying. It's an idiot. All right. And responsible. But you are evil. So Americans have a tendency to turn away. And not only that, but I made headlines this morning, and I'm happy to do your program a few hours after that by saying that if New Yorkers cast a ballot for Zohan Mandani in November as mayor, they're committing an evil act. There's a difference between committing an evil act. Okay. And being evil. So I don't know Mr. Mandani, but I do know this. He doesn't want to enforce the law. Wants to take a billion dollars out of the police budget. Doesn't believe in incarceration, mass incarceration, but he doesn't believe in punishing criminals. Okay. Has called the own. The police force in New York City racist. So what do you think's gonna happen if he's mayor? Well, people are gonna get.
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A
People are gonna get killed.
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C
Right.
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A
And they don't.
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D
So you. You, the Mandani voter, are Enabling that evil people are going to die. More people than are dying now. And I backed it up on News Nation with this unbelievable stat. In 1934, Hindenburg died in Germany. He was the president. Adolf Hitler was a chancellor, second in command. They had a referendum. Should we give we, the German people, Hitler dictatorial powers, do whatever he wants? 90% of the German people said yes. Blood on their hands. Every single one of them that said yes. Now, they may not be evil people themselves, but they allowed it. They allowed the Holocaust, they allowed World War II. And we Americans have to start to realize that if you vote for somebody, if you help somebody hurt another person, you're part of the evil cycle.
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A
Well, I agree, but I would push back and say this. Almost every Democrat would say, if you vote for Donald Trump, you're evil. Because he's evil and he's racist and he's authoritarian and he's rounding up folks that look different than him and putting them in gulags and disappearing them. Now, the difference between what they're accusing Trump of doing and what you're talking about, what Mandami is doing, is you have an actual. There are going to be bodies. What they do is a hypothetical evil that never comes to fruition. Right, but they would say the same thing. Not would say, they are saying it. Plenty of Hollywood celebrities are now being vocal about if you voted for Trump, you're evil, you are part of the problem. So what would you say to almost the entire left and Democratic Party who would say the exact same thing to you if you voted for Trump?
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D
Well, I would say produce the facts. Look, confronting evil is a fact based book. No opinion. Here's what the guys did. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. With Trump, as you just pointed out, it's theoretical. Right. And it's fine. It's fine. I'm not one of these people that get wildly crazy when a liberal or a progressive accuses Trump of being a fascist. I say, all right, put it on up. What did he do? Prove it. And it can't. Which is why they won't come up against me in a debate. So Pritzker, for example, the governor of Illinois, 20 years, there have been mass murders going on on the south side of Chicago. 20 years, 80% of the people murdered are African Americans. Give me one thing that Pritzker, the governor has done to stop that.
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A
Nothing.
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D
No one can.
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A
Yeah, well, you know, it's funny.
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D
So I'm talking to Mark Rafalo, I'm talking to Emma Stone now.
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A
Yes, Rafalo, but yes, or Something, whatever it is.
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D
Buffalo Rafalo. Brilliant actor, by the way. Yes, but total progressive loon.
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A
Right.
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D
I'm talking to you. This is who I'm talking to. So you have a fact. 20 years a slaughter. African Americans gunned down in the street. The governor does nothing. He's offered a blanket of protection by President Trump to lessen the murders and the death. He rejects it, and he has nothing to put in its place. And he calls Trump a fascist. He calls Trump names, evil, whatever it may be. And Trump is offering to stop some. Most of the murders in Chicago. Does that make any sense to anybody? Mark? Emma? Hello.
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A
Well, in a way, it's no different than school choice. You know, you have folks on the right pushing for school choice, and that benefits the inner city black child the most. They're also the most motivated to get their kids involved and out of failing public schools. And then the Democratic politicians fight tooth and nail against school choice, vouchers, and any alternative to the public education system, which is failing these kids and they're suffering the most. So it's really the same question. One's in crime, one's in education. Do you care about these people? And if so, why are you fighting Trump who wants to put boots on the ground? And. Or why are you marching with the teachers unions and fighting Linda McMahon or anyone else who's pushing for an alternative to your failing system?
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D
Yeah, I mean, the difference is life and death. Death and maybe the wreckage of a life because you're ill educated. So there's a level of evil.
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A
I agree, but it's the same theme, which is you claim to care so much about these people, you do nothing for these people.
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D
Caroll, let me give you one word. Indefensible. You can't defend. You can't. Now, you've read Dante's Divine Comedy, right? Because a literate man like you, an educated man even, you have the dopey hat. You can't fool me.
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A
I forgot I'm wearing a camel hat.
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D
I know. I know that you're an educated man. In Dante's Divine Comedy, he has the nine circles of hell. Okay? So the worst are in circle number one, the evil people, not quite at the level of Mao Zedong, they go down. And that is the truth about the world. So that there are different levels of evil. But my thesis in confronting evil, my book is that we Americans who aren't evil, okay, have to start mobilizing against it.
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A
Yes.
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D
Or we're going to wind up, you know, look, Putin is there to kill innocent people in Ukraine, because the Russian people allow him to do it.
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A
Yes.
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D
In China.
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A
Can I just jump in and agree for one second? I say this all the time. You know, people, whenever they go, it's not the people of Palestine, it's Hamas, I'll say it all the time. They'll go, it's not the people, it's the leaders. It's the leaders. It's not the people. I go, okay, the people stand by and let the leaders do what they do and they vote them in and they facilitate it. The United States could not be run by the Klan. Not because there's no Klan. It's because we as a people wouldn't tolerate it. We wouldn't vote them in and we wouldn't let it happen. And so, so I hear this excuse all the time, like the leaders are evil, but the people, you take many countries in the Middle east, the aforementioned Palestine, yeah, the leaders are evil and the people basically agree with them, or at least they don't disagree to the point where they can do something or will do something about it. So I agree with you. It's on them to a lesser degree than the leaders, but. But it's still on them. Sorry, China.
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D
A better analogy would be Iran. The Persian people, because the Palestinian people, they are so shell shocked, they can't organize. They're not organized. They're fearful of their lives. There's nobody to protect them. There's no structure at all. I feel very sorry for anybody living in Gaza, the West Bank.
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A
I agree with you, but I'm saying it's origin stories. You know, I'm not talking about the.
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D
Last year and a half, but it comes from, but it comes from the head of the snake Ayatollah Khomeini. On the COVID of my book. Without Iran, you wouldn't have had 9, 11, you wouldn't have had Gaza, wouldn't have had any of this. Because an entire country, an educated country, largely the Persians are educated people, allowed a fanatical theocrat to take over and just say, if you're an infidel, you die. That's what Allah wants. And the Persian people go, okay, not okay, not okay. They could have done something and could to this day, even though the secret police is always in place. We understand that. But if the mass people like Gandhi, went on strike, refused to do anything, government collapses. Okay, so there are different situations. And I picked 15 of the worst situations for confronting evil. And in some of them, like Nazi Germany, Japan and World War II, the people are at fault. Who allowed what happened The Russian people today are at fault for Putin killing innocent women and children. They're at fault.
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A
I agree. I've always sort of. That is the macro on the micro when they do that thing where it's like the 13 year old boy was running the streets and he was firing a pistol and he was in the seventh grade and it was two in the morning, I'm like, I get that that kid is a juvenile delinquent, but I also want to know what the parents are doing.
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D
Yeah, there you go.
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A
Who is in charge of that kid and why are they letting him do this? You brought up something which was debating you and I wanted to bring this up because it just popped into my head the other day. Cuz I always hear every progressive politician talking about speaking truth to power. It's all Kamala Harris talked about. Karen Bass, they're always speaking truth to power, but they would never dream of debating you or coming on my podcast or sitting down with Joe Rogan. Kamala Harris wanted to speak truth to power but wouldn't do Joe Rogan's podcast. They only go to super friendly places and handle softball questions, which is the opposite of speaking truth to power. And then they complain about voices like yours or Tucker Carlson's or the list goes on and on. They don't like that. They're popular, they don't like the voice. Then they talk about truth to power and they never show up in debate. They won't even go on Bill Maher show and have a sit down with Bill because he might ask them a couple of tricky questions. So what is the whole truth to power nonsense they're speaking of?
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D
Well, number one, they don't have any truth. So if you have truth, you want to spread the word, right? Corolla?
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A
Yes.
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D
If you. I have truth. It's wrong to consciously hurt another human being. That's my truth. That's what evil is. You know, you're going to hurt somebody and you do it anyway. Not self defense because you like it. 15% of the world population falls into that psychopathic profile.
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A
15? That many?
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D
That's a lot, folks. Yeah, that's a lot of people. Okay, so that's who's in prison. But in America they're not all in prison because they won't put them in prison anymore. So that's my truth. It's a simple truth. It's a definition of evil. Now if Kamala Harris had a simple truth, she would go on a Carollo Show, O'Reilly Show, Rogan show, because she could spread it and defend what her truth is. I can defend my truth against anyone, any human being on this earth. I can defend it. And I'd be happy to talk to any responsible person. In fact, we just put in a request for your buddy Jimmy Kimmel, whoever very I had a good relationship with, who now won't book anybody who isn't in sync with his political point of view. But he's coming to Brooklyn. It's right around the corner from me. I said, hey, Jim, you'll get big ratings you put me on. He knows he will. Okay. We'll have a very lively discussion like I'm having with your buddy Carolla right now. So what's the downside? Okay. You know why they won't do it? Because they're afraid. Well, now, maybe Kimmel will rise to the occasion. I hope he does. Be a great, great show.
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A
No, I mean, most of them are terrified. Gutfeld went on Fallon and was a ratings bonanza a couple of weeks ago, so now there's some. Some precedent for it.