Charlie Sheen Talks Sex, Drugs & Partying + Kamala Teases Presidential Run

Summary

The Adam Carolla Show

Guest: Charlie Sheen

Episode Date: October 27, 2025
Episode Theme:
An extended, raw, and unfiltered deep-dive with Charlie Sheen, exploring his wild years, substance abuse, family dynamics, infamous scandals, his recent Netflix documentary (“aka Charlie Sheen”), and his current outlook on life, work, and recovery. The episode features Adam’s freewheeling style, candid banter, and a mutual sense of respect between the two, with plenty of humor, introspection, and classic Carolla tangents.

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Summary Structure

• Episode Overview
• In-Depth: The Sheen Doc & Family Legacy
• Charlie’s Substance Abuse: Mind & Body Effects
• Unfiltered Anecdotes: Flying with Stars and Dangerous Living
• Sex, Scandal, and Heidi Fleiss
• Sheens, Pens, and the Malibu “Brat Pack”
• Major Career What-Ifs (Karate Kid, Platoon, TV)
• Escalation, Addiction, and the “Other Side of the Menu”
• Notable Quotes
• Timestamps for Key Segments

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Episode Overview

Adam Carolla sits down with Charlie Sheen for an in-depth, no-bullshit interview covering Sheen’s notorious past—and present—with drugs, sex, fame, and family. They discuss the making of Charlie’s recent Netflix documentary and book, Sheen’s relationships with his family (especially Martin Sheen and Emilio Estevez), Hollywood’s dark backrooms, and “going to the other side of the menu” sexually. Charlie is forthcoming about his recovery and reflects on the wreckage left in his wake, but with signature wit and self-awareness. The episode is both brutally honest and filled with punchlines.

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The Sheen Doc & Family Legacy

• Early Discussion (02:30–14:00):
  • Adam credits the Netflix doc “aka Charlie Sheen” as “compelling, creative, not lazy.”
  • Charlie: Involved with director Andrew Renzi for over a year on archival, but not credited as a producer.
    • “We spent, I think, over a year preparing for it. And so much of that was archival.” (Charlie, 03:24)
  • Adam: “There are a lot of dumber people who go, I’m only gonna watch a doc that entertains me. Now, being informed is a byproduct for them. For me, it’s the product.” (Adam, 05:16)
• The doc is described as filmic, creative, and alternating between stripped-down interviews and stylized sequences.
• Family in the doc: Martin Sheen comes across as the “hero”—always worried about Charlie but supporting him no matter what.
  • “I can’t imagine being my dad.” (Charlie, 34:40)
  • Adam: “Every night you woke up, you know, at 3:30 in the morning to take a piss, you’d have to pause and go, I wonder where my son is right now.” (Adam, 34:47)
  • Charlie mentions being a “limo guy” early, which probably saved him from DUIs (a running joke).

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Charlie’s Substance Abuse: Mind & Body Effects

• Resistance to Alcohol/Drugs (08:04–12:52)
  • Adam & Charlie agree some people can “transcend” substances—brain keeps functioning even as body is hammered.
    • Charlie: “I… always felt more like fuel than it did like a sedative.” (09:41)
  • Adam tells a story about getting hammered with Mark Garagos and still doing a 90-minute standup set.
• Escalation / Tolerance:
  • Adam: “You had a brain that could take it?”
    • Charlie: “Absolutely, yeah. And it… always felt more like fuel than it did like a sedative… It would just activate things… more energy for stuff.” (09:41)
  • On taking increasingly high doses (“banging seven gram rocks”):
    • Charlie: “It’s not just about building tolerance. It’s just… levels I would need to continue whatever the moment was offering or I was demanding from it.” (13:11)
  • Dr. Drew once diagnosed Sheen from afar as bipolar, leading to some retroactive animosity.
• Hypervigilance & Sleep:
  • Adam brings up “hypervigilance”—the inability to shut off awareness—Charlie recognizes being a light sleeper but says apps and “colored noises” helped.

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Unfiltered Anecdotes: Flying With Stars & Dangerous Living

• Flying an Air France jet, loaded (19:26–23:59)
  • Charlie recounts, as a young star, being invited into the cockpit, loaded on “eight shots,” and actually handling the yoke for a minute.
    • “But what was such a trip is… [the pilot] just reaches up and flips a switch and says, ‘not anymore’ (for autopilot),” letting Sheen fly. (21:13)
• The Nicolas Cage Flight Incident (23:20–32:31)
  • Wild story: Sheen, Cage, lots of booze, Charlie smuggling 2 ounces of cocaine taped to his inner thigh, Cage impersonates the captain and causes panic over the intercom, federal agents awaiting them at the gate.
    • “He just… starts screaming… they’re like, ‘Not cool, mister.’” (29:01)
  • Charlie’s celebrity and luck keep him out of major trouble, but the story underlines the madness.

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Sex, Scandal, & Heidi Fleiss

• Losing Virginity to a Prostitute (43:05–47:46)
  • At 15 in Vegas, on his father’s credit card (“swipe took longer than the sex”), with a cousin, while dad’s in the next room.
  • Confronted afterward: Martin leaves a circled receipt with “What is this?”—they have a two-hour talk about love vs. sex.
• Heidi Fleiss / Hollywood Madam Era (37:08–42:43):
  • Adam’s connection: Heidi’s dad was his pediatrician.
  • Charlie: He’d do things differently now. Feels bad about “rolling over” in her case, describes the legal technicalities.
    • “If I had that part to do over again, I would have just taken my lumps.” (40:26)
• On escalating sexual adventures:
  • Adam asks about “the other side of the menu”—sex with men at the apex of Sheen’s addiction.
    • Charlie: “That’s kind of what happened.… let’s just flip that thing over and see what’s on the other side.” (110:09)
  • Doesn’t identify as gay or bisexual; attributes risk-taking to drugs and hypersexuality.

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Sheens, Pens, and the Malibu “Brat Pack”

• Reminiscent stories about growing up in Malibu among celebrity kids:
  • “Back then it was the Pens, it was the Lows, us, I guess. … People always want to connect Downey Junior to our crew, but that happened in high school.” (77:15)
  • On being temperamentally different from the rest of his family (“Dalmatian among Labs”):
    • Adam: “They seem like all the same breed of dog…. And then you got some Dalmatian in you.”
    • Charlie: “Yeah. And a little bit of pit bull, maybe.” (62:09–62:11)
  • Their talk includes lots of brotherly comparisons—Sheens and Pens have wide ranges in personalities.

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Major Career What-Ifs: Karate Kid, Platoon, TV

• Karate Kid near-miss (88:51–94:40)
  • Charlie nearly landed the role of the “Karate Kid,” but honored a previous (minor) commitment—at his dad’s advice—and missed out. No regrets.
    • Adam: “I don’t think you would have become that [typecast].” (93:16)
  • Discusses the importance of honoring a commitment over chasing a big break—a Sheen family value.
• Platoon and sibling rivalry:
  • Emilio was originally cast for the Platoon role, but time and circumstances led it to Charlie.
  • There’s no real family bitterness—just the luck of timing and shifting interests.
• Sitcoms & Unfinished Business:
  • Charlie talks openly about feeling “unfinished” with his sitcom work (esp. Two and a Half Men) and wants a proper “bookend” to that chapter.
    • “If the right sitcom… I would do that, because it just gnaws at me how… that chapter of my career was left.” (96:51)
  • Reconciliation with Chuck Lorre is confirmed:
    • “Is there any Chuck Lorre relationship now?”
      —“Oh yeah… Yes, we are [good].” (97:44–97:46)
  • He’s eager to act again, focus on creativity, and knows his reputation has (finally) stabilized.

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Escalation, Addiction, and “The Other Side of the Menu”

• Adam presses Charlie about his sexual experimentation in the context of his drug binges:
  • Adam: “There is a hypersexuality that can just sort of go into whatever, which is… I like sex so much that I don’t even draw a distinction between the sexes.” (109:07)
  • Charlie: “That’s kind of what happened… it just really opened stuff up in a way that whatever was going on suddenly wasn’t satisfying.” (110:09)
• On the resilience and consequences of his excess:
  • “Most people couldn’t [function]. Most people just be bedridden or institutionalized or something.” (99:37)
  • Adam marvels at Charlie's continued lucidity and lack of major cognitive/physical decline given the level of self-destruction (“You don’t seem to have residual, like… addled. You know what I mean?… It feels super lucid.” (105:37–105:44))

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On making docs:
  • “It’s a doc that if you have a girlfriend or a roommate who does not dig docs—they can watch this like a film.” (Adam, 05:45)
• On celebrity substance use:
  • Adam: “Show must go on, but I must get fucked up earlier.” (11:03)
• On escaping DUIs:
  • “The notion that you don’t have a DUI is insane.” (35:37)
• Recalling a wild story:
  • “He just… grabs the blower on the flight… says he’s the captain, not feeling well, losing control of the airplane—and it was right out of the movies, you hear people start screaming.” (Charlie, 26:48)
• On losing his virginity:
  • “There’s a line in the book—the MasterCard swipe took longer than the sex.” (Charlie, 47:11)
• On “going beyond the party”:
  • “He liked to party and you like to poison.” (Adam, 25:17)
• On hitting bottom:
  • “I only got one of those in this lifetime. That thing was exhausting.” (Charlie, 99:04)
• On reconciliation with Chuck Lorre:
  • “Oh, yeah [we’re good].” (Charlie, 97:46)
• On sexual boundaries, drugs, and escalation:
  • “Let’s just flip that thing over and see what’s on the other side.” (Charlie, 110:09)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 02:30 — Adam welcomes Charlie in-studio, discusses the Netflix doc, explores its making and style.
• 08:04 — In-depth discussion on substance tolerance and the mentality of those who can “transcend” intoxication.
• 13:35 — Adam and Charlie on hypervigilance, mental health, and Dr. Drew’s remote diagnosis.
• 19:26–23:59 — Air France cockpit story; Sheen flying the plane.
• 23:20–32:31 — The Nicolas Cage airplane incident/Coke-smuggling panic.
• 34:40 — Family talk; Martin Sheen’s heroism as a father.
• 43:05–47:46 — Losing virginity with a prostitute in Vegas; Martin Sheen’s response.
• 60:00s — Platoon, Emilio, and sibling dynamics.
• 88:51–94:40 — “Karate Kid” what-if and the Sheen family code of honoring commitments.
• 95:01–98:00 — What does Charlie want next? Bookending Two and a Half Men, acting ambitions.
• 99:04–107:20 — “Meltdown,” addiction, functioning through chaos, and recovery.
• 108:03–111:16 — Sexual experimentation; “ordering from the other side of the menu.”
• 112:12–114:49 — Adam reflects on Charlie’s astonishing survival and ongoing vitality.
• 114:49–115:25 — Episode wrap, mutual appreciation.

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Conclusion

This episode is a masterclass in candid, self-aware storytelling. Charlie Sheen is equal parts remorseful, sharp, and still darkly funny. Adam Carolla’s probing (and sometimes confrontational) questions get Charlie to reflect deeply while sharing outrageous anecdotes and hard-earned lessons.

Whether it’s dissecting the mechanics of addiction, the complexities of family, or the peculiarities of fame and Hollywood, the conversation always feels honest—and sometimes raw. Both men show surprising vulnerability, along with their trademark wit.

A must-listen (or, with this summary, a must-read) for anyone interested in the real stories behind celebrity headlines, the cost of excess, and one of Hollywood’s most infamous survivors.

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Recommended: Watch the Netflix doc “aka Charlie Sheen” and check out Charlie’s new book, The Book of Sheen, for more jaw-dropping stories and insight.

Transcript

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[Dawson]

Corolla 1 Studios in Glendale, California, this is the Adam Carolla Show. Today, Adam sits down one on one with Charlie Sheen. And now fellow Nepo baby Adam Carolla.

[Adam Carolla]

Get it on. Got to get on it. Judgment on a mandate. Get it on. Charlie Sheen in studio. I'm so excited to speak to you.

[Charlie Sheen]

Likewise. Thank you.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I've known you, known of you for quite some time. I've always felt like a little bit of a kindred spirit with you. Always felt like you had this fast twitch mind and it's an interesting, it's never been described as such and I watched the aka I should say the Doc 2 parter, aka Charlie Sheen on Netflix. It is really compelling.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you.

[Adam Carolla]

And it's well made. Like as a guy who's made quite a few docs.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sure.

[Adam Carolla]

Some docs are a little bit lazy. This is not it. This is interesting. Lots of creativity. Lots of archival. Really well put together.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. No, I'm not credited as a producer on it. Right. But I was heavily involved in. In all the. In all the prep work. The director, Andrew Renzi and myself, we. Gosh, we. We spent, I think, over a year preparing for it. And so much of that was archival.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, it. It is put together. So a lot of docs are put together in a kind of pedestrian way. Just sort of A, B, C, D. What happened? Let's go chronologically. Show footage, so on and so forth. Right now they're becoming like a little bit of an art form. They're using graphics and they're just taking creative leaps and doing things. Makes you think for a second.

[Dawson]

Sure.

[Adam Carolla]

And this is done from the standpoint of like a filmmaker, not a documentarian.

[Charlie Sheen]

Exactly, exactly. Yeah. No, he married those two worlds, I think, brilliantly.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. And it was really an interesting choice because it put Charlie in this sort of very sterile environment of a booth at a coffee house. A coffee.

[Charlie Sheen]

Shop.

[Adam Carolla]

Diner. Diner. Right. And so you would go from this very stripped down, sort of unplugged acoustic, you, cup of coffee sitting in a booth, no bells or whistles, to the really artistic, interesting, layered stuff, and then back to the unplugged acoustic.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, No, I think the contrast and the way it was juxtaposed was. I think it was almost like it created it. Those elements as their own character.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. It's compelling. It moves. And I would say for those of you. And I will watch any doc just because I'm interested in learning things, but there are a lot of people, a lot of dumber people who go, I'm only gonna watch a doc that entertains me. Now, being informed is a byproduct for them. For me, it's the product.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sure.

[Adam Carolla]

And then the entertainment is A plus.

[Charlie Sheen]

Got it. Ye.

[Adam Carolla]

So I'll watch any doc, but I'll take the gravy of the entertainment. But this is a doc that if you have a girlfriend or a roommate who does not dig docks. Right. They can watch this like a film.

[Charlie Sheen]

Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. No, that was his approach, that Andrew's. His. His. Because I'd seen a couple that he had done. He did Pepsi, Where's My Jet? Did you see that one? And I thought it was terrific. He did a. An episode with Jake Paul for Untold. I think it was Untold anyway, but it was. I just got to see enough of his filmic prowess to feel Like, I was in really good hands. But then after that, we had to develop a trust. And that's the kind of thing that either happens or it doesn't. And if it didn't happen, I don't think we could have gotten into a lot of the stuff that. That we did, you know.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, it's really entertaining. It's two parts. Thank you. It moves. I watched it once, right when it came out. Cause I love it. I watched a John Candy doc too. It's like, watch the docs good. You get a bouillon cube, a guy's life in a bouillon cube. And you get all the nutrients in 90 minutes. In this case, two segments, two episodes, 90 minutes. But each or somewhere thereabouts. Also, the book, the Book of Sheen is available now as well. But as I was watching you in this doc and kind of studying it, I was thinking about myself a little bit. And then I was realizing that a lot of people get into substance, or let's just say alcohol. They drink and then they get kind of sloppy and then they pass out. And then they, you know, they get drunk and they pass out. They knock something over. They go, where is he? He's in the hall. He's sleeping in the tub. And then there's a kind of a brain that can almost overcome the inebriation. Like, you drink as much as everyone else, but you can maintain. Like, it takes a lot to really get you to that place.

[Charlie Sheen]

It did, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And if you have a really, like, strong brain, you can. Like, I was with Mark Garagos, the attorney, once several years ago when we were in Florida and we're doing some shows or something, okay. And somebody kept sending up shots of Don Julio to the stage, you know, And Mark and I were just doing the shots. And Mark, who's a. I would call him a bit of a heavyweight, like, he can drink, right. At some point, was in the green room, yakking into the toilet, passed out on the green room sofa. Right?

[Charlie Sheen]

Damn.

[Adam Carolla]

And. And we were just up there shot for shot. And so Mark goes, jeez, I saw him the next day. He said, God, I don't even know where I was. I don't know how I got home or whatever. He goes, what happened to you? And I go, I did a 90 minute standup show. And he goes, what? I couldn't see my. I couldn't see straight. I go, I had to do a show, you know? And he goes, how the hell did you do a show? I couldn't walk. And I was like, I Drank a cup of coffee, I drank a few glass of water, I ate a bagel.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

I waited 45 minutes and then I did the show. And he's like, how'd you do it? I was like, well, I have to do the show.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

So there was an. And then I realized my brain can sort of transcend it.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sure, a little.

[Adam Carolla]

Everyone gets affected.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right, right, right.

[Adam Carolla]

But there are brains that can kind of. And then we know women have like, my mom, glass of champagne. Oh, somebody needs to drive me home. You know what I mean? So you had a brain that could take it?

[Charlie Sheen]

Absolutely, yeah. And it. I. It was more of a. It always felt more like fuel than it did like a sedative.

[Adam Carolla]

Right, right. And.

[Charlie Sheen]

And it would just activate things in a way that just created. Just desires and just more energy for stuff. But it's interesting because you mentioned, because Garagos is like, well, how did you do that? But you did it because you knew that you had to and you knew that that was. That was on your plate, that was part of your schedule. You'd committed to it, right?

[Adam Carolla]

Yes, I committed to it.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. So it was non negotiable.

[Adam Carolla]

No. But also when we were doing our show and people were handing us shots at Don Julio, I didn't turn down any of them saying, I had a late show. I had to work on it. You know, I said, no, we'll do this, and then I'll compartmentalize this somehow and we'll do the late show.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right. You had a plan that you stuck to.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, that's the other thing. It's not a possibility that I would go cancel the late show. I'm too fried. I can't do it. I'm tired.

[Charlie Sheen]

I totally get that.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

I totally get that.

[Adam Carolla]

So it's. The show must go on. The show must go on, but I must get fucked up earlier.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

So now we gotta weigh. I must get fucked up earlier with the show must go on.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right, right, right. Yeah. And then it's also. Did people then talk to you afterwards about anything, you know, that happened with that show? Was there any.

[Adam Carolla]

No, it was just a regular show.

[Charlie Sheen]

And they were just like, hey, great job tonight.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, it wasn't. I didn't get up there and throw up and take a piss on someone in the first row. Yeah, I just went and got my shit together and did the. Did the show. I mean, if you examine the tape, you might detect something. But I mean, I did the show. It was a good show, I'm sure. And it Was fine.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

But I remember talking to Mark the next day and he said, God damn. Because he was literally, I want to do a coffee table book. Just says guys eating when they're drunk.

[Charlie Sheen]

That's pretty good.

[Adam Carolla]

Because I watched him pick apart. He got something with pretzel bread and he was eating the bread skin the pretzel part.

[Charlie Sheen]

He wanted the salt.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, he did a low carb commitment. But then he got drunk and you know.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

All the plans right out the window. So you, you know, you have a mind that probably moves a little faster than is good for you. Like in a way, you go, oh, well. So it's good. You can do a late show and not throw up and fall asleep in the green room. And it's like. Yeah, but it also means it takes a lot of booze to feel the way Mark felt when he was in the bathroom.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, of course.

[Adam Carolla]

And so when you're talking about banging seven ounce rocks or Graham rocks. Sorry.

[Charlie Sheen]

Ounce would have been.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, that would have been a lot. Seven gram rocks. You meant it?

[Charlie Sheen]

I did.

[Adam Carolla]

Whereas everyone else, you know, couple of rails, good for the night, whatever. But, but that didn't work for you.

[Charlie Sheen]

It didn't. It didn't. No. And it's not just about building tolerance. It's just, it's, I think it was more about just kind of knowing, you know, the levels that I would need to continue, you know, whatever, you know, whatever the moment was offering or I was demanding from it, you know.

[Adam Carolla]

But do you have. So, so I, Dr. Drew said I have hypervigilance.

[Charlie Sheen]

Okay.

[Adam Carolla]

And I don't know if you have hypervigilance.

[Charlie Sheen]

I don't know. But it's interesting that you mention him because he was one of the guys, he was one of the medical voices in the mix trying to assess what was going on with me during the whole, during the meltdown, during the whole thing with the two and a half. And when that all went sideways and he just, he zeroed in on bipolar. I remember I got mad at him. I've never met the man.

[Adam Carolla]

Everyone gets mad at Drew, Right. At some point.

[Charlie Sheen]

At some point.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, he's like a tow truck driver. Like he didn't repossess your car. He's just showing up.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right, exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

And then you start screaming at him pretty much. But he just got to dispatched because you didn't make your payments.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right, right, right. But he, I'm not saying he was wrong, but I just, I, I, I felt just diagnosed from, from afar, you know, And I, I, I I just feel like he and I, at some point, you know, we're still on a. On a. On a collision course just to. No, not a bad one.

[Adam Carolla]

Right?

[Charlie Sheen]

Just to finally, like, meet and have a chat.

[Adam Carolla]

He's a good dude.

[Charlie Sheen]

I can tell he's a very good dude. I use some of his products from the wellness company.

[Adam Carolla]

He's great.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And you two would get along famously.

[Charlie Sheen]

Do you fork over the buck 25 for his toothpaste?

[Adam Carolla]

No, but he's giving me some stuff. Okay.

[Charlie Sheen]

Because he's charging $125 for toothpaste.

[Adam Carolla]

Really?

[Charlie Sheen]

I mean, it's really good. And my gums have never felt better, but that's a little pricey for toothpaste, isn't it?

[Adam Carolla]

I'll talk to him. I'll probably be able to get you a tube for 85.

[Charlie Sheen]

All right.

[Adam Carolla]

And I gotta wet my beak, obviously, but it's still gonna save you money.

[Charlie Sheen]

Appreciate that. Yeah. I think he wanted me on his show.

[Adam Carolla]

Listen, all I can tell you is most people in show business, and certainly in comedy, learn to despise their partners at a certain point. They all famously have some sort of Jerry Lewis, Dean Martin fallout. You know, the comedy duo and the showbiz duo rarely survives. Especially the comedy duos. Those always fall apart. They don't acrimony, they don't talk and everything else. I talk to Dr. Drew on a daily basis, and I talk to Jimmy Kimmel quite often. My proudest accomplishment is being very good friends with all my partners in show business, which is tough. And maybe you more than you can say for Crier. I don't know.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, I mean, I think it said a lot that John participated in.

[Adam Carolla]

I thought it was pretty magnanimous, pretty fair. Seemed pretty even handed for a guy who's probably sitting on some rage.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. But he did. But when he says, you know, I'm not here to. I'm not here to celebrate him. I'm not here to tear him down, you know, but then he's like, you know, I was a little, you know, reluctant to be a part of this because, you know, Charlie's pattern is to, you know, do cool shit and then flame out. And he was thinking that he's gonna be in this doc and it's never gonna make it onto television, you know?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I think for him, he was like a victim. Like, it was like a rape victim whose. Whose rapist was locked up for 100 years but still scared at night. You know what I mean? And you go, that's. He'll Never get to you again. He's not gonna be on. It's like. Yes, but we have this history and I'm still fearful. Yes, I notice he saying that at the onset of the doc. Not to compare you to a rapist.

[Charlie Sheen]

I appreciate that. Thank you. No, but it, yeah, it's so hypervigilance. Hyper vigilance.

[Adam Carolla]

Do you like, how do you sleep? Like, could someone walk minus any substance?

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

If someone walked in your room at four in the morning when Charlie would you answer? Would you roll over? Would you get up? Like, are you a light sleeper?

[Charlie Sheen]

Pretty light sleeper, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

That's one of those things.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. But I think I sleep the heaviest or the deepest. Like the last half hour of sleep. Isn't that when they say, like, that's when you get all of the good.

[Adam Carolla]

Sleep and you notice things all the time, like sort of lights and movement and stuff like that. Like peripheral.

[Charlie Sheen]

Just walking around. Just in life.

[Adam Carolla]

I just mean like there are, like, if you're just walking down the street and some bush moves or something off, but peripherally, like off the side, do you go like hup. Like, does it.

[Charlie Sheen]

I clock it. Yeah. It doesn't always, you know, it's not always jarring.

[Adam Carolla]

You use like an eye shade when you sleep and you do like white sound or any.

[Charlie Sheen]

No, I don't put anything over. But I do this app that I saw an ad for called Better Sleep and I've always poo pooed that stuff. I've never believed in any of that. And I was like, all right, fine, 30 bucks, 20 bucks, whatever it is, I'll give it a shot. And you can build your own. Your custom sound package, you know, and that turns out that sounds have colors.

[Adam Carolla]

It's like white noise, basically.

[Charlie Sheen]

But there's also brown noise and green noise and purple noise and all.

[Adam Carolla]

You sleep with that.

[Charlie Sheen]

Well, I just put this thing together, just haphazard and hit play and was out like a light. The first time I tried it, I couldn't. I don't work for this company. I don't. I'm not promoting them. I'm just saying that, like. Yeah, so that, that, that really helped.

[Adam Carolla]

So in the doc I got so much to get into. It starts, it gets right out of the gate like a, like an action movie. Getting out of the gate with a car chase scene or something with the whole, yeah, go ahead and just vape away.

[Charlie Sheen]

Nicotine is not.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah, I don't care.

[Charlie Sheen]

I don't smoke pot.

[Adam Carolla]

Flying the Air France jetliner right at the beginning. I mean, it just grabs you and pulls you in right at the beginning. Cause it's this great recreation. It's you and your fiance. You're flying to Europe or back to Europe.

[Charlie Sheen]

Well, actually, my wife, by that point.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

I come back from the honeymoon. Yeah, Donna.

[Adam Carolla]

And back in the day when there were rules, but not too many rules for celebrities and people sort of trusted people. And you were getting loaded on the plane.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sure.

[Adam Carolla]

And you get up to the galley there, and the navigator comes out of the cockpit, recognizes you. Next thing you know, you're in the.

[Charlie Sheen]

Cockpit, says the captain wants to meet you.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

And then they want to take photos.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

And then I'm like, let me. Let me put your jacket on so it looks cooler, you know.

[Adam Carolla]

The pilot.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. Then he hands me his pilot's cap.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

And then I. You know, he's standing, and I see his empty seat, and I'm like, do you mind? And he's like, the pilot, see? Yeah, but of course, Mr. Sheen. And I sit down, and then I'm kind of, you know, just. We're all just, you know, the first officer, pilots behind me, standing. I'm in the. I'm in. You know, I'm in his seat. I'm in the pilot's seat, and I just casually say, who's. Who's. Is George flying the plane? I knew enough about it to know that's the, you know, the autopilot thing for autopilot.

[Adam Carolla]

And how many drinks would you say.

[Charlie Sheen]

You'Ve had at that point in the flight?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Eight. Okay, eight shots, but over, like, three hours. Yeah, listen, they're kind of spaced out a little bit.

[Adam Carolla]

You're talking to me, you're not talking to Mark Carrago. It's like eight shots. You can do a show. You can fly a plane.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right. So. But what was such a trip is when I asked if George was flying the plane, he just reaches up and flips a switch and says, not anymore.

[Adam Carolla]

So you got the yoke and I. Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

And at first, I didn't do anything with it. I was just hands on it, you know? And then I looked at both of them, and I was just kind of, like, gave a shrug, like, is this. Will this next thing be okay? And they were. They gave me a thumbs up, you know, and the adjustments were so minute, microscopic. But you're flying the plane just for, like, a minute.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

It's like 68 seconds. But then what was a trip is when I pulled back on it, and I could feel us doing a, you know, rising.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

And it Was. And. But then they were seeing that this, you know, could. Could go other places.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

And. And he just reaches. Just reaches up and just.

[Adam Carolla]

Flick.

[Charlie Sheen]

Puts Autopilot George back on. Yeah. And then you could feel this thing just settle back into what it knew it was supposed to be doing, you know?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. It's right at the top of episode one, and it really just kind of pulls you in, I think so. And it's very. It's a great illustration of substance mixed with a kind of lifestyle, mixed with a. Kind of. Mixed with a kind of a privilege, you know, that you get to fly a plane. Mixed with, like, a little bit of a bygone era, even though it's not that long ago. But this is kind of stuff you got to do. There was a Nick Cage incident on the plane that I thought was pretty compelling as well.

[Charlie Sheen]

That was nuts. Yeah, that was nuts. And you know what's interesting is in the dock where you see Nick telling the story on Letterman, Right?

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Charlie Sheen]

And I had. And that was the first time I'd ever seen Nick telling the story on Letterman was in the dock.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, okay.

[Charlie Sheen]

I didn't know that he'd ever told it. And so when Renz puts us side by side with that quote, you know, this is your captain. I'm not feeling well. I'm losing control of the aircraft.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

It's identical. As though we planned it.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

And we didn't.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. So, you know it's true.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yes. Our stories match verbatim.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, you guys were flying to San Francisco.

[Charlie Sheen]

We were, yeah. It was. It was. No, it was. It was Frisco or Vegas. It was Frisco.

[Adam Carolla]

I think it was Frisco, according to the doc. And you in he now. I don't know what you guys were doing in Frisco.

[Charlie Sheen]

We were going up there. We wanted to watch Apocalypse in Francis Coppola, his uncle. One of his houses or his main house, because he had a screening room with a great sound set up.

[Adam Carolla]

So he's. Right. He's descendant of. Related to.

[Charlie Sheen]

Exactly. Yeah. Coppola, which is his real name.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, yeah. You guys sort of have that weird switcheroo sort of.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. With the last act.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. And so that was the plan. And somehow on the way there, it turned into that thing. But it wasn't that thing before the.

[Adam Carolla]

So just for people haven't seen it. Okay. He liked to party.

[Charlie Sheen]

I mean, not like me.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

But when the two of us came together the first time, it's almost like we were strangely, like, looking for each other. Or looking for the experience that the other could provide.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. And also, I mean, to be fair to him, I mean, I know it's a semantics thing, but he liked to party and you like to poison. Like there's a thing where, like, people want to party, but what you weren't doing is partying. You went beyond the party. Oh, yeah, I guess is what I'm saying.

[Charlie Sheen]

I was trying to get to a place and stay there.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. He wanted to party, but his partying.

[Charlie Sheen]

Was always just booze. So he never did. He never did drugs.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

Until the two of us wound up in the same boat one night.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, so he went and grabbed. Had had drinks and then went and grabbed the blower. The intercom.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

On the flight.

[Charlie Sheen]

Is that Seinfeld? Is it a blower? I love that. I like that. But it had already been established, like Eddie B. And Phil and Carrie, we'd already done a silly little act for the benefit of the passengers. So we were. Because they still had that curtain separating.

[Adam Carolla]

Right, right, right.

[Charlie Sheen]

So we'd pull the curtain back with the mic and say something really goofy and get a couple laughs.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

People were into it.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. Sort of like early Southwest, when they do a little shtick up there.

[Charlie Sheen]

Exactly, exactly. And so. And everybody thought it was harmless. And yeah, these guys are hammered, but they're. You know, it's completely. Right, you know, everything's under control.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

And then the blower winds up within Cage's grip.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

And he just somehow, I don't know why he. So he saw the tone that we had set.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

But. But chose to take it.

[Adam Carolla]

Take it where he did, which is saying he was the captain impersonating the.

[Charlie Sheen]

Captain, that he's not feeling well and he's losing control of the airplane. And it was right out of the movies, you hear people start screaming. Like there's always that high pitched female scream in the movies. Right. That happened.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

So, yeah. And we were in a panic. And he didn't know the amount of cocaine I had on me.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. 1.3 grams, maybe.

[Charlie Sheen]

No, it was like 2. 2 ounces.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, ounces. Yeah, I get my grams and my ounces.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, it's fine.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, 2 ounces is a lot.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. In a, in a, in a fat Ziploc.

[Adam Carolla]

How many grams are in an ounce?

[Charlie Sheen]

16, 14. No, no, 28. There's 28 grams in an ounce.

[Adam Carolla]

We'll look it up. But so if you're talking about 48 grams of. Yeah, 28.

[Charlie Sheen]

28.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay, so you're talking about almost 28.3 and change. But you're talking about 50 grams of cocaine.

[Charlie Sheen]

Pretty much about that.

[Adam Carolla]

That's a lot of cocaine.

[Charlie Sheen]

Well, I didn't know how long we were going to be up there. I didn't know how many times we were gonna watch Apocalypse. Come on.

[Adam Carolla]

So that's taped to your ankle?

[Charlie Sheen]

No, the inside of my inner thigh. Inner thigh, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Cause, by the way, that's enough to get intent to distribute. Perhaps that's enough to get in real trouble.

[Charlie Sheen]

Perhaps. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I'll put it to you this way. If that's a civilian, that's enough. If you can lawyer up, you can get Mark Garagos to sober up, come out of the bathroom, you'll probably be okay.

[Charlie Sheen]

That would suck if that was the day I needed him, but. Yeah, but wouldn't they just kind of mash up all of those charges together? There'd be FAA stuff, federal violations.

[Adam Carolla]

There'd be the RICO and some interstate commerce. There'd be all the. There'd be all of it.

[Charlie Sheen]

All of it.

[Adam Carolla]

So the cops, the feds, the marshals are waiting for you when you get off the plane?

[Charlie Sheen]

They are?

[Adam Carolla]

Because somebody radioed ahead.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And the steward. Are they called stewards?

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know what we call him. Attendant.

[Charlie Sheen]

Male flight attendant. And as exactly as Nick tells it on Letterman, like, walks right up to him, like this purposeful walk and stops right in front of him and points him right in the face and says, not cool, mister. Not cool.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

And. And so we. And that was about 10 minutes before landing. So we kind of knew that there might be. We might have company.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. You know, and the door of the plane opens. There's uniform guys.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, there's guys in. There's guys in suits and uniforms. And we're like, huh?

[Adam Carolla]

Right now, Nick's the one who was on the blowers, we like to call it. You had picked it up, but done a more innocent use of the intercom.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, I was.

[Adam Carolla]

So you're not necessarily in his boat, but you are in his crew.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right, but it would be like the. What do they call it? Felony murder, when the wheelman.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, you're the wheel man.

[Charlie Sheen]

You shoot the guard, and you're just as. Yeah, so. Yeah. And. But I was wearing a Dick Tracy hat that I bought at the airport before we. I was having a bad hair day, and I was like, I'll just hide under this thing. And it was like $12 with that yellow, really cheap material. And so my act to the cabin was speaking into my. The Dick Tracy communicator. I don't know. That doesn't come close to answering your question. But. So I still had a measure of goodwill with the passengers, right?

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Cause nobody knew at that point I was a drug mule. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. So you got this stuff taped your inner thigh, Right. You're detained.

[Charlie Sheen]

We are detained.

[Adam Carolla]

And now you're moments away from a situation where it's like you get pulled over and you're worried about a dui, but you got a body in the trunk.

[Charlie Sheen]

Exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

And this could get a lot worse.

[Charlie Sheen]

Could get a lot worse.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, right.

[Charlie Sheen]

It was that thing again where, you know, one of them was a. Two guys were cage fans, a couple guys were Sheen fans. And we could feel it start to turn.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

The worm in our favor, you know. And that's when the first wave of relief kind of. Okay, this is not going to be a life changing evening. At least not at their hands.

[Adam Carolla]

They'll ask you a question like, I know I've been pulled over a few times. And you'll go, oh shit, I'm getting a ticket. And then the guy will come up and I'll go, get any new cars? And I'm like, okay, we're good. All right, we're good. Yeah. They'll ask some little insider something and you'll go, okay, now we're gonna be. We'll be cool from this point on.

[Charlie Sheen]

I had a Porsche in 1987 and I used to live at county line. You know where that is, Neptune's Nest, right?

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

And there was one night I hadn't had a drink and there was nobody on the road. It was about 3am it was a. It was a. It was a. A hardtop. 911s, I think it was, right?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Beautiful car. And I wanted to see what the damn thing could do. And stupidly I got it up to about 161.

[Dawson]

Wow.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. I went for it and the broken yellow line turned solid.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. And that's when I. And I needed like five miles to slow down, right. Because I just started, you know, I didn't want to jam on the brakes, but the road was so smooth and just. It was this just perfect moon. And I passed a cop like, you know, probably between, you know, 110 and 1 30. So he takes a long time to get to me, right? And he pulls me over and platoon had come out. But. But that was. But I, you know, I didn't have the kind of recognition yet that that made its way into, you know? Yeah. Or, you know, getting in new cars, like those moments. And he says, what, you know, what's going on? And I, and I, I didn't have a cover story. And I said, you know, just got this empty road, nothing to drink. I just really wanted to see if, you know, what, what the car could do. And the guy takes a beat and he says, well, you may want to slow down before you ruin a perfectly good piece of machinery. Yeah, it wasn't about me, Right. It was about, don't destroy this car.

[Adam Carolla]

A lot of cops are car guys, which is a trip.

[Charlie Sheen]

And he, and he, and he let me go. But that's a, that's a trip to jail, that, those speeds.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah, yeah. It's exhibition of speed.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

It's something like more than 20 miles an hour over the posted. Whatever they could take you in. That's where it starts, theoretically, or reckless driving or something. So partying now. Emilio and your dad, Martin were not in the film. It was nice the way you sort of covered it and spoke about it. Your dad comes across as a hero, basically, of the doc, for sure. I mean, what that guy did in all hours of the morning, sort of.

[Charlie Sheen]

I know, and there's that line, I think, I say, I can't imagine being my dad.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, well, because every night you woke up, you know, at 3:30 in the morning to take a piss, you'd have to pause and go, I wonder where my son is right now. I wonder who he's with. I wonder what he's imbibing. I wonder what he's doing. I wonder if he's driving. I wonder if he's flatlining. Right. Like you'd have to have that thought.

[Charlie Sheen]

Well, the one thing they did know is that I was a limo guy, like from the jump. I was riding in them, you know, before they were fashionable and stayed in them, you know, long after they were considered cool.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. So the DUI part was probably never.

[Charlie Sheen]

Just never, never got one and just made that decision, like at 18.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, the notion that you don't have a DUI is insane.

[Charlie Sheen]

It's pretty crazy.

[Adam Carolla]

They made a Mount Rushmore of celebrities who should have DUIs.

[Charlie Sheen]

I'm in there, I'm in there. Where in the lineup though? Am I number two? Am I number three, you think? I mean, if we're going left to.

[Adam Carolla]

Right, I'd have to figure it out. And then I'd have to also figure out who doesn't have a DUI in that group. Although I don't Know what the rules are. But the fact that you don't have.

[Charlie Sheen]

A dui, it's bananas.

[Adam Carolla]

And there's dudes I work construction with who have two. You know what I mean? They haven't done 1/10 your parting. But they couldn't afford a limo. Yeah, that was their thing.

[Charlie Sheen]

But there was always. I just knew there was always. And you know, and the alternative option, you know, and sometimes we'd be on a, you know, I'd be on a two or three day run and. Do you remember this place called Carlos and Pepe's in Malibu?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Or was it Carlos and Charlie's?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, there was a Carlos and Pepe's like on Sunset, and then there's a Carlos and Charlie's. I can't remember which one's on Sunset, which one's on Malibu?

[Charlie Sheen]

I think that Carlson Charlie's.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

Was that Malibu?

[Adam Carolla]

I didn't.

[Charlie Sheen]

We're gonna get.

[Adam Carolla]

Unfortunately, I didn't letters get a chance to hang that much in Malibu.

[Charlie Sheen]

So I would, you know, have a fun, fun night there and leave my car and take a cab or like the one taxi in Malibu, you remember. And then the party would find its way all around Malibu. And during the day we would drive, you know, going to someone else's house. And I could just drive past and just see that my car was still there.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

I was like, all right, good.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay, keep going in the doc and I have a connection, a weird connection to Heidi Fleiss, which is her dad is a pediatrician.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right? Dr. Fleiss? Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And he was my pediatrician when I was real young.

[Charlie Sheen]

Seriously?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Wow.

[Charlie Sheen]

How old's your dad? Like 105.

[Adam Carolla]

Heidi Fleiss's dad. And I'm looking at you, Andrew or Dawson. Hast must have expired, I would argue, but he was Dr. Fleiss. Who's Heidi Fleiss's dad? It makes the whole thing a little more surreal that her dad was a kind of well known pediatrician. For some reason, it adds an extra. If her dad was a truck driver or something, it wouldn't be as fun.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, you're right.

[Adam Carolla]

But he was not only that, but he was a kind of early 70s, late 60s, kind of hippie pediatrician. Kind of free to be you and me. Like probably wouldn't have been. He would have been much more RFK Jr. Than Biden in terms of. He was like more down. He probably wouldn't have liked all the vaccinations. He's a little more holistic or something.

[Charlie Sheen]

I gotcha.

[Adam Carolla]

When did he says it say RIP 2014, I guess is when he passed away.

[Charlie Sheen]

But he was 33. Damn.

[Adam Carolla]

He was kind of hippie dippy pediatrician that. The sort of hippie dippies, like, got it out here.

[Charlie Sheen]

Got it.

[Adam Carolla]

But the Heidi Fleiss thing. But.

[Charlie Sheen]

But do you. Do you have memories of, like, being in his office as a child?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I remember, you know, Dr. Fleiss is, you know, see Dr. Fleiss, like.

[Charlie Sheen]

And he had a Beverly Hills office or Santa Monica or Beverly Hills probably.

[Adam Carolla]

Would have been too hoity toity for him. He was like, again, like a little more salt of the earth hippie kind of. I don't. I don't remember. Probably silver, like, he was probably more of a silver, like, dude, and my mom was like, more of a hippie and probably thought more about, you know, a guy who thought a little more in those terms than the, you know, get everyone vaccinated kind of kind of vibe. So the Heidi Fleiss thing is kind of weird. Now. She is still harboring a little animosity a little bit.

[Charlie Sheen]

And I was hoping to have a moment with her at the premiere here in la.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. But somehow that night our paths didn't.

[Adam Carolla]

Intersect and so she was. She attended.

[Charlie Sheen]

She was there.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Were you apprehensive about running into her?

[Charlie Sheen]

No, I was looking forward to it.

[Adam Carolla]

But it seems uncomfortable, for sure.

[Charlie Sheen]

But I figured it was. If that was the night to get that moment out of the way, then I was gonna lean into it.

[Adam Carolla]

Was that sort of from a perspective of a step in a 12 step program?

[Charlie Sheen]

No, just closing a circle, you know, which I guess is another definition of that. No, I just wanted to give her a hug and just say, hey, you know, And I do talk about it in the book. If I had that part to do over again, I would have just taken my lumps.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

You know, but the stuff they were threatening was pretty serious.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. And it was over traveler's checks.

[Charlie Sheen]

No, the stuff. But they. Well, yeah, no, if I didn't roll, I was facing all this other shit.

[Adam Carolla]

In a weird way, it was sort of a P. Diddy situation in the sense that they were like, well, yeah, but the porn star lived in Henderson and you flew him out to Beverly Hills and now we got a man act going on, and you're like, is that really a thing? Like going to Nevada, coming back from Nevada. But it's like. But they'll hang that over your head.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sure.

[Adam Carolla]

And I'll go. And that comes with mandatory 20 years or whatever it is. Right. So for you, it was you paying for a prostitute wasn't a big deal, but you paying for your buddies to get prostitutes was a big deal.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right. Which they had no proof of.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

You know, I'm not saying it didn't happen.

[Adam Carolla]

It would almost have to happen.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right, right. I mean, if three girls show up, it's chances are good. I mean, later on maybe not, but chances good that they're not all for me, you know?

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

But they, they told me they did have the proof, and I was like, show it to me.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

And they said, we'll get back to you. So there was a lot going on. But what Heidi didn't talk about in the DOC was the stuff that they were, the charges that they actually enforced, the ones that sent her up the river. And the whole thing was tax evasion.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

You know, because the other stuff would have just been misdemeanors.

[Adam Carolla]

Right, right. So the whole idea was the business was a cash business, and obviously she wasn't reporting this. And then at some point, a traveler's check got passed. And that's got a name on it. Cash doesn' have a name on it. But your rationale, for lack of a better term, and I don't mean that in a sort of negative way, but what you're saying is, is she did time because she, she did not pay her taxes, not because she was a madam, per se.

[Charlie Sheen]

That's how I see it. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

And I think that's because those are the facts.

[Adam Carolla]

Right, Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So. And that whole, that whole thing being on the rocks, the club above the Roxy, and running into the girl had. How much, how big a part had prostitution played in your life before that? And I know you lost your virginity to a prostitute.

[Charlie Sheen]

I did, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

In Vegas.

[Charlie Sheen]

In Vegas at 15? Yeah. How did that work in Vegas?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I know that. Prostitutes in Vegas. But I know you use your dad's credit card, right? Yeah, yeah, but walk us through that. Like, where was he?

[Charlie Sheen]

He was asleep in the next room. And we had a connecting. Connecting rooms.

[Adam Carolla]

Was he working out there?

[Charlie Sheen]

I don't know. I think he was attending a benefit or a charity or something. He wasn't just going there to gamble, you know.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

And then my cousin Joey from Ohio was in town and he got invited on the trip, and. And then it was, he went to bed early, and Joey and I were. It was like, you know, coming up on 1am and we just started going through the yellow Pages. And then we realized, all right, because I, I, I said, have you ever have you done this yet? And he was like, no, you. And I'm like, no, he was your age. Yeah, just about, maybe a couple months older. And so we didn't have any money.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

And it's so sneaky. I said to Joey, well, let me see if I can get to Dad's wallet. I think we can. I think tonight is. This could be the night. And I got to his wallet and found.

[Adam Carolla]

You, like, went into his room.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, I went in there quietly and found it in back pocket and pulled out a credit card, a MasterCard, you know. And then we called one of these places. We're kind of like whispering on the phone. Right. And gave him, you know, said, yes, we have a credit card. I don't know that I had to give his name over the phone again. This would have been what, 1980?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

So, yeah. And then we opened the door to this gorgeous redhead named Candy. And it was just like Joey and I had never been in the presence of.

[Adam Carolla]

So you got one girl.

[Charlie Sheen]

One girl, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And your dad's asleep in the next room.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

And do you remember how much the charge was?

[Charlie Sheen]

It was, it was 250.

[Adam Carolla]

250.

[Charlie Sheen]

250, that's.

[Adam Carolla]

That's pretty sizable. $1980, kind of.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Now what is it? When the credit card statement comes back, does it say like entertainment on it or what is it?

[Charlie Sheen]

Well, it didn't have anything on it, but it did have the city.

[Adam Carolla]

Uh huh.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

So your dad.

[Charlie Sheen]

And the time.

[Adam Carolla]

1:45.

[Charlie Sheen]

Exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

So I'm watching TV in the.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, wait a minute, we'll skip. Let's not fast forward too fast. Candy's at the door.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right?

[Adam Carolla]

Candy looks beautiful to you?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

It's worked out. She comes in.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

She knows what the job is. Yes. But you got your cousin with you. Yes. And there's only one room, correct?

[Charlie Sheen]

Well, there was a little sitting room so one of us could hang out on the couch, you know.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. And I'm guessing you don't have to play rock, paper, scissors to see who goes first because you're paying.

[Charlie Sheen]

That was. Yeah. I mean, that's baked in. Yeah, it was baked in. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So you go first.

[Charlie Sheen]

To Joey's credit, he knew that.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's understanding.

[Charlie Sheen]

He wasn't like, what do you mean? No, he. He got that.

[Adam Carolla]

It's like when someone takes you out to dinner and orders an appetizer, you don't really argue with them. Like, I don't like beef carpaccia because they're paying. They're paying, they're taking you to dinner, they're gonna get the beef carpaccia. So he waited in the resting area and you got to business. Now. This is your virginity.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So it's not like a woman losing her virginity where there's other elements sort of baked in there. But you want to get down to it, I'm guessing.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. I mean, I didn't really know what I was doing.

[Adam Carolla]

Is there a condom involved?

[Charlie Sheen]

There was, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And so she just sort of gets down to business.

[Charlie Sheen]

She just took me by the hand, just led me through it, you know.

[Adam Carolla]

And was it fast? Very.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. There's a line in the book that the MasterCard swipe took longer than the sex.

[Adam Carolla]

And does she go in and summon Joey or do you go in there?

[Charlie Sheen]

She stays in there. And. And then I said, hey, is it, you know, it's cool that, I mean, because we actually, we told her it's going to be both of us, you know, we'd both like to shed the V, you know. And so she just stayed in the room. And I was like, I came out and I was like, you're up, buddy. And he was like, how was it? I'm like, you're about to find out.

[Adam Carolla]

So.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. And then again, he had a similar experience time wise.

[Adam Carolla]

Fast. Right?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And then the whole thing, she's out the door, half an hour.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. 40 minutes tops. And then at the door, you know, she finally had seen the name on the card.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, right.

[Charlie Sheen]

She's like, oh, my God, Martin Sheen. Can I get his autograph? She literally asked me that. And I said, in any other circumstance. Right, Absolutely. Right now, impossible.

[Adam Carolla]

So did you maybe this is, I don't know, inappropriate or something. It doesn't seem like you had a natural or healthy fear of your dad because while you were horny. And I get it, this is still a bridge too far for like a lot of 15 year old dudes. Like, I'm not gonna go in there and steal his wallet, get his credit card. If he finds out, he's going to kill him. And there wasn't. You sort of had a. My dad will roll with this or.

[Charlie Sheen]

He'S not gonna, I mean, there was fear of dad, you know, he very pleasant. You know, 95% of the time. Growing up, very always led with humor, you know, still leads with humor. And, you know, we'll, we'll, you know, try to start a conversation before he starts a fight.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

Which is cool. You know, but it, I, maybe it had something to do with, you know, growing up on sets, watching him play roles, always, you know, him in fictional settings, and that maybe he would understand things in the real world that were a little bit kind of outside the realm of, you know, that he would just see things a little differently and that I was also hoping that he could possibly relate. If he was in my shoes at that age and had the same opportunity, would he have done it? Probably not.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. But it's interesting in that everyone else has one version of their dad because they only see their dad in a non fictional setting, like as the dad, living room school teacher, truck driver, whatever. But you would see your dad playing the Vietnam vet, your dad playing the lawyer, your dad playing the cop, you know, the guy playing the old western gunslinger or whatever. And you'd go, who my dad? Like, I don't have a complete bead on who my dad is because I've seen him in so many different outfits.

[Charlie Sheen]

30 people, right?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, Right. That's kind of interesting.

[Charlie Sheen]

It's kind of a trip. Right. I watched him one day. It was a shoot here in Malibu, like near Joffrey's. Right. On PC Restaurant. Yeah. And. And he was doing an episode of Ironside. And. And you know, Ironside's in the chair.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. Wheelchair.

[Charlie Sheen]

And pushes him into a swimming pool.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

And then they did it.

[Adam Carolla]

Your dad pushes him in there.

[Charlie Sheen]

No, no, that would have been weird. No, dad gets pushed into the.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, from. Yeah, Ironside.

[Charlie Sheen]

From Burr. Right. No, William Burr.

[Adam Carolla]

Raymond.

[Charlie Sheen]

Raymond Burr.

[Adam Carolla]

Raymond Burr. Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

And then they did it like four times. And I'm kind of. I mean, I knew what they were doing, but I. I remember thinking, okay, he's got to know it's. He's got to know it's coming by.

[Adam Carolla]

You were like eight or something.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, yeah, eight, maybe nine. And then just wondering if, if they were going to do a version where Burr gets pushed in, you know, But. Yeah, but just things like that that sort of exist in like, you know, Polaroids kind of floating through the mist, you know, just little snapshots of time.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. So your childhood is interesting in that, you know, when you take a nine year old kid and you take them to a horror movie, you don't want to take them to a horror movie because they believe there's a lot of. There's a part of their brain that believes this is happening. There's another part of their brain that knows they came to a movie theater.

[Dawson]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

Like when you're an adult, all of your brain knows you came to a movie theater.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

When you're a kid. 50% of your brain knows you came to a movie theater. And the other part of your brain says, linda Blair's head's spinning around and I'm freaked out. Right, so your childhood was sort of seeing your dad in these roles that you. 50% of you knew was on a set, but the other 50% was watching.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

Doing, acting this out. And so your vision, your composite of your dad growing up had to be like a little bit scattered, a little bit more than most folks. Dad was just. My dad's a school teacher.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right, right, right. Or come home in the same outfit every night before dinner. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So your dad found the receipt for the, for the American Express Card.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, the MasterCard.

[Adam Carolla]

MasterCard.

[Charlie Sheen]

It took about a week and it.

[Adam Carolla]

Came in the mail.

[Charlie Sheen]

And I was watching TV in the living room and I just. Doing a drive by. He didn't even stop. And I remember I was leaning on my, on my hands, laying on my stomach, and a piece of paper comes in. I can see it and it lands right in front of me. And I can tell it's been folded, like came out of an envelope. And there's a circle around that dollar amount from the Vegas thing and there's all these arrows and it just says, what is this? With a question mark.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

And then he kept walking and it's got the timestamp. Yeah. And he kept walking all the way back to his office. And basically like, this is like, that's where we're going to deal with this. And so he just back there waiting. And I thought, well, it has to happen. This, this moment has to happen. This is a, this is paying the fiddler, you know? So I took that long walk and it was about a two hour lecture.

[Adam Carolla]

Really.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. And it was, it was, it was, you know, it was, it was well intentioned by him. Yeah, it was, it was really focused on love versus sex.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay, so you were right out with it early.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, yeah, Yeah. I just said, well, did Joey get.

[Adam Carolla]

Tossed under the bus too?

[Charlie Sheen]

Um, I think yes. I think somehow. Cause he's Alice's, my mom's sister's kid. But somehow the information got back to Joey's house in Ohio and his. He was on the receiving end of the punishment, not really fitting the crime.

[Adam Carolla]

So you're. Yeah, because in a weird way, he is just a wheelman in this caper. He's outside smoking. He didn't ask for any of this.

[Charlie Sheen]

None of it. None of it.

[Adam Carolla]

And he's a guy who found a wallet. You're a guy who stole a Wallet, Pretty much. But you're both getting in trouble.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So that's kind of. I guess your dad or mom probably felt compelled to alert Joey's parents.

[Charlie Sheen]

I think so.

[Adam Carolla]

I gotta say, I don't know if I'm a good parent or bad parent, but I would've never done it.

[Charlie Sheen]

I would've left Joey out of it.

[Adam Carolla]

I would've left Joey completely out of it. I was like, why? Why harsh is Mel. He was there. Who amongst us wouldn't have participated in this? He wasn't stealing the wallet.

[Charlie Sheen]

None of it.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, I wish that just like, what's it gonna hurt for Joey to just never have to deal with this?

[Charlie Sheen]

Right. Yeah. And it was weird because that's the kind of thing, that's the kind of secret that you. That you want to really kind of re examine with the person you share it with.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

And he left town like, as soon as we got back.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

And so I couldn't, you know. Phone calls back then.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Long distance.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Cause you wanted to tell some war stories.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

With Joey. And he's the only guy on the planet that was there.

[Charlie Sheen]

Exactly. And compare notes or talk about the uncomfortable stuff or the fun stuff or whatever. And we never had a chance to. Joey reached out recently.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, he did?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. And so, yeah, he reached out to my mom and asked if he could have number, email. I'm like, all of it. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Your mom's not in the dock, right?

[Charlie Sheen]

She's represented in the dock a little bit. No. Isn't she? A couple photos at least, maybe.

[Adam Carolla]

A couple. Yeah. A couple photos. Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

She's in the book more than she's in the doc.

[Adam Carolla]

Did she decline to be in the doc?

[Charlie Sheen]

She was gonna do it with dad. They were gonna do it as a couple. And then dad, Ramsey brought a rough cut of the first episode over to my place and screened it for Ramon, for Emilio, myself, mom, dad. And dad watched it and loved it and told Ramsey. He said, I don't need to be. I don't need to sit for an interview. I'm brilliantly represented already.

[Adam Carolla]

You know.

[Charlie Sheen]

He said to the director, I feel like I'm already in this.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, he was.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. Yeah. He has a steady presence, you know? Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I mean, like I said, I made docs. You can take people that have been dead for 10 years and make them a big part of your doc. You know, archival, this and that, you know, and when you see it, it just. It felt like they were in it.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

It's an almost younger, more attractive version of them.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, he.

[Charlie Sheen]

He really liked the way he looked in the dock, and he didn't want to disrupt that.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, he's an actor.

[Charlie Sheen]

Exactly. I've said too much. But then Emilio really responded warmly to it as well. He was laughing his ass off and. And was gonna just. He made a decision where he didn't want to get in the way of my stories.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I.

[Charlie Sheen]

Plus, he just had one on. He had just been in a pretty popular one called Bratz.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, right, right, right, right.

[Dawson]

I saw that.

[Charlie Sheen]

You know, he's my best friend. He fully supports me, but he didn't want to suddenly, like, that year, become Doc guy.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

You know? Yeah. I can't blame him.

[Adam Carolla]

No, I. I can't. It didn't. It was unnecessary.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

I. I would say to have them in the dock.

[Charlie Sheen]

Okay, good.

[Adam Carolla]

So I'll.

[Charlie Sheen]

They'll be happy to hear that you said that.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know how much. Big a compliment, seriously. But, yeah, look, it was well done. You didn't miss them. There's plenty of archival footage of them and your dad. You know, like I said, the younger, more camera ready version of your dad was great. There was a part that I forgot about, which is Emilio was supposed to be in Platoon as your character. Right. And then Oliver Stone and that thing got shelved and pushed back. And then they came back, and when they came back, they wanted you right for it. And you kind of winked and smiled a little bit when you said a little competition with actors and brothers or whatever, but I don't know, you kind of glossed over it.

[Charlie Sheen]

I did, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I didn't really know what that situation was.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, that's the thing. There really wasn't a situation. And that was because of the time between it getting shelved and then being reignited, you know?

[Adam Carolla]

So Oliver Stone came on to your brother Emilio just through auditioning, or. How was he originally gonna play your part?

[Charlie Sheen]

They had a meeting because he'd had a couple big films come out right in that time frame, and Oliver gave him the script, and Emilio tells a story that he was jogging on the beach with Tom Cruise. I mean, there's an image.

[Dawson]

Right?

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

I'm seeing it in slow motion. Me too. Yeah. And Tom had read the script also, and they were comparing notes about the script, and neither of them liked it. And they thought there were things in there that were too jarring for an audience, that were too extreme, even though they were telling the story in those situations, how a lot of that stuff went down, but they just so I don't feel Emilio at the time didn't feel like he had lost out on this great opportunity because of what he was convinced it was going to become, you know?

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

And it's a different movie with him and a different movie with me.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. All right, let me give you an example.

[Charlie Sheen]

But we've never. Outside of that, I don't think he and I were ever up for the same roles.

[Adam Carolla]

Uh huh. Is it, what do you liken it to this? Like, let's say he had a girlfriend and then you started dating the girlfriend.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

But he used to tell Tom Cruise that he was thinking about breaking up with her and didn't really think they were gonna go the distance anyway.

[Dawson]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

But so then it's like, well, if you're saying I'm gonna marry her and then you swoop in, that's a little different than, nah, not too wild about Candy, my girlfriend. And then you start dating her. You know what I mean? Like, maybe they weren't meant to be.

[Charlie Sheen]

Interesting.

[Adam Carolla]

You can use that metaphor.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, I like it a lot. I like it a lot. Yeah. I mean, I'll be talking to him probably on the drive home from here.

[Adam Carolla]

So I've interviewed him once or twice and I found him to be a delight.

[Charlie Sheen]

He's terrific, isn't he?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. As a matter of fact, you know, it's kind of interesting that he, your dad and your other brother seem to all be sort of cut out of the same cloth, and then you seem to be cut out of some other kind of cloth.

[Charlie Sheen]

Other cloth.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. That doesn't seem to match their cloth, but I don't know, like a temperament. They seem like all the same breed of dog, which is sort of lovable. Lab. And then you got some Dalmatian in you or something.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. And a little bit of pit bull, maybe.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And I. I don't know what to count. How do you, how do you even account for that? Because you can't go nature or nurture the same place.

[Charlie Sheen]

It's the same environments, it's the same experiences, the same amount of travel.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

What the hell? Maybe Dr. Drew can weigh in on that.

[Adam Carolla]

As a guy who is a parent of twins who are now 19, I just go, they are who they are. They're so different. People want to go, would you feed them for breakfast? Or you didn't expose them to enough classical music. It's like, that's just who they are. They're so who they are. And I don't even know. It's almost narcissistic to think I was gonna rub my stink on them. They're just who they are.

[Dawson]

Interesting.

[Adam Carolla]

And always, by the way, from. From Jump Street. That's who they were.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And I think that is the explanation. Even though it's not an explanation. It's just Emilio's Emilia and you're you.

[Charlie Sheen]

I think it's just the one we have to surrender to.

[Adam Carolla]

Well. Cause it is. It's hard to argue with what what is.

[Charlie Sheen]

It just is. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

But growing up in Malibu, and I had a chance to talk to Sean Penn about this a little bit.

[Charlie Sheen]

Did he come here on the show?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. And I also have talked to his brother Chris over the years before he passed.

[Charlie Sheen]

That sucked, right?

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, man.

[Charlie Sheen]

I know.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, it was funny. Cause I was talking to Sean and he said, I liked your brother a lot. And he's like, all right. And I said, yeah. He did Loveline once. And after Loveline in Culver City, about midnight, he said, I know good cop bar nearby. You want to go out and get some drinks? And I was like, well, it's Tuesday and it's 12:07, but yeah, all right. And we just went to the cop bar, and he was like, oh, that's my brother. He knows a cop bar in Culver City.

[Charlie Sheen]

That's classic Chris.

[Adam Carolla]

Back when Culver City was a ghost town and a little bit dicey quiet and closed down. He knew a cop bar.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. And then those cop bars for Chris turned into blues lounges.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really?

[Charlie Sheen]

That he'd like. He'd know the one where, like, all the legit blues people would hang out at. And he became a singer.

[Adam Carolla]

I didn't know that. Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

One year at my birthday party would have been, like 89. Cause I was with Kelly Preston, and he couldn't afford to buy me a gift for some reason or just forgot or. That was his excuse. And as a birthday gift, he sang me a song.

[Adam Carolla]

The guy had a motor, had an energy.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, he did.

[Adam Carolla]

You can talk brothers. I mean, you can talk Sheens, you can talk. But you can talk pens.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

For sure, too. Because they're all over the road in the brother department as well.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. Including Michael, the eldest.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. The singer.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. Brilliant musician.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Great. Great albums.

[Charlie Sheen]

Composer. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Temperamentally nothing. Like zero. Like Chris Penn and Michael Penn. Are you kidding me?

[Charlie Sheen]

Like, adopted?

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

We're getting back into the breed of dogs now. Like, just nothing.

[Charlie Sheen]

So is Michael the Ramone of the pens or is Michael the Charlie of the pens?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, Ramone is your older, calmer brother.

[Charlie Sheen]

Correct.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yes. Older, calmer. I like that.

[Adam Carolla]

Who doesn't seem that interested in show business or that he was producing for a while, but not in front of the camera.

[Charlie Sheen]

Not in front of the camera. He did brief stints in front of the camera. He did a really good job in a film called Cadence that my dad directed that I was in back in the late 80s. He's in, like. Did you ever see the Dead Zone?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Okay.

[Adam Carolla]

Christopher Walken.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

It was a Cronenberg film. Dad plays Stilson.

[Adam Carolla]

It's a great movie.

[Charlie Sheen]

It's a great movie. Do you remember the photo on the COVID of Newsweek or Time that sinks Stilson and makes him blow his brains out? Ramone. He was going through his punk rock phase. He's the photographer that takes the shot of dad trying to shield himself from the assassin with the baby Mike.

[Adam Carolla]

That's really.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

And Michael Penn is the engineer in Boogie Night. Yeah, he is. When they're laying down their. Marky Marcus laying down this album.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right. When it's just. There's some awful crossover there. Yeah. Now, didn't Michael score Boogie Nights?

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, we're gonna have to look that one up. He had a great debut album with a bunch of really good hits on it. All the singer songwriters married to Amy, man, who's really great as well. And yes, he did score Boogie Nights as. As my. My booth tells me.

[Charlie Sheen]

Okay, good.

[Adam Carolla]

So one of the questions I was writing, so what I was doing is I never do this much prep, but I was very interested in talking to you, and I was watching the first part of the doc. Re watching it last night, and I was just making notes to myself, and I wrote down Kelly Preston shot. And you brought up Kelly Preston moments ago. So there was this part in the doc where it's a little nebulous, where it's like, did I think Jon Cryer was like, did he shoot his wife or.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, come on, John. Come on. I mean, John could have just, like, walked up and asked me one day, Right. He had eight years to get to the bottom of that.

[Adam Carolla]

Never asked.

[Charlie Sheen]

But he was leaning towards what really happened in the dock. Right. She.

[Adam Carolla]

First off, she was shot, like, in the leg or something.

[Charlie Sheen]

No, I mean, you want to tell you exactly what happened?

[Adam Carolla]

Sure. Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

I used to carry a little revolver in my back pocket. And. Are you a gun guy?

[Adam Carolla]

No. I know I'm not fired enough, but I know enough.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. Do you know rimfire versus center fire? Okay, so it's a little North American arms, 22 long. It's a five shot revolver. And my buddy Dave, his dad used to call it his get off me gun.

[Adam Carolla]

Right, Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

So I bought one and it lived in my back pocket for so long that, like a guy with a can of skull, the outline is formed.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

So we came home from, Kelly and I in a condo in Malibu.

[Adam Carolla]

Were you married?

[Charlie Sheen]

No, we were engaged. We were engaged. And so I left my pants on the scale in the bathroom. Didn't take the gun out of the back pocket. Kelly gets up. She gets up, goes to the bathroom. I go downstairs to make coffee. She is sitting on the toilet and sees the scale and decides she wants to weigh herself. Right. And lifts my pants off the scale, falls out of the back pocket. And because I was, you know, I didn't know that you. I did know, but I didn't do it. The hammer sits. Sits resting on the edge of the. Of the bullet casing. And so that's called a rim fire.

[Adam Carolla]

Right? It's on the primer.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So.

[Charlie Sheen]

Well, it doesn't have a primer.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, it doesn't have a primer.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, that's. Its primer is the whole outside.

[Dawson]

Oh, the whole thing.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. So it falls out, it hits the linoleum, hit the tile floor, and sends around through the toilet, but right next to her leg. So she gets hit with porcelain shrapnel at like, probably, you know, 600ft per second. Right. And then I'm downstairs, and nothing else sounds like a gunshot, especially indoors.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

And I knew exactly what it was. And I come around the corner from the kitchen, and she's coming down the stairs. And so she's on the top of the stairs holding her wrist stark naked with blood coming down her chest from her. From her wrist. And so I was like, holy shit. Holy shit. So I get her, you know, I start trying to apply pressure. I'm trying to, and. But she's completely. She's in shock, but not losing consciousness. Not fade in and out. So it didn't. There was nothing about it that felt immediately life threatening. But I'm on the phone with 911 and the ambulance comes. I ride with her, and she got four stitches in her calf and a couple in her wrist.

[Adam Carolla]

From the porcelain.

[Charlie Sheen]

From the porcelain shrapnel. Yes. And then the media turned that into Charlie Sheen shot Kelly Preston.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

It's just like, it's not what happened.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

You know, and it was really, you know, it's ultimately my fault, not, you know, not being responsible with the weapon and putting it in a drawer or under something, you know, Just leaving it in my pocket. But, you know, very lucky. Very lucky. Because if that barrel is, you know, a couple millimeters.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

In a different direction, who knows? Who knows what could have happened? So we were both. And she wasn't even, like, really mad, you know? And then the only thing in the dock is her at the door of that condo saying, it was an accident. It was an accident. As she closes the door.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. Yeah, right. Which played as her trying to protect you.

[Charlie Sheen]

Interesting.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, in the dock, I mean. So the thing about docs is you can. Well, you know what, Dawson? There is, because we brought up Mark Garrigos, my friend. There's a famous part of the Michael Jackson dock where they have Garrigos up there and they cooked it. So what it was is in the dock, in the body, there's an A and a B, I think. But in the body of the doc, it looks like he gets up there and takes the press conference and is shouting if anybody says anything about my. I'll take him down or whatever. But he's not saying if any kids come forward. He was referring to a recording device that was hidden in a private jet that him and Michael were on. Oh. And so in the dock, they cooked it. You know, they show some guy going, I was eight, but I was scared to come out. And then they cut to Mark Garrison. If anybody thinks it's all right to talk about this, they're gonna have to deal with. And it's like, he looks like the worst guy in the world, but he's talking about something else.

[Charlie Sheen]

But it's butted up against.

[Adam Carolla]

It's butted up against. It's edited that way. Yeah, of course.

[Charlie Sheen]

Intentionally.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. And within docs, you can do some editorializing and storytelling and a little cooking, Right?

[Charlie Sheen]

Manipulation. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Within a doc, you know, you can kind of make it. And that doc, your doc, between Jon Cryer going, I never did find out, and Kelly Preston going, no press. No, don't worry about it, and shut the door. You're like, oh, what did he do? Yeah, there's an element of. He must have done something with that guy. A little more than ambiguous. Well, also, your reputation precedes you. There was that part. Emilio probably could have got away with that one. Kind of knew who you were, probably.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Or Jon Cryer could have got away with it. Easily.

[Charlie Sheen]

Easily. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. So there's like a little. And again, I didn't walk away going, charlie shot his fiance. I went, well, what really happened? But your explanation. And by the way, when you hear really specific, detailed explanations. It's the truth.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, it is.

[Adam Carolla]

Especially when it's weird, like a toilet and porcelain.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

That kind of scale, like that kind of stuff.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. That's not the COVID story I'm gonna build.

[Adam Carolla]

No, you could never construct that.

[Charlie Sheen]

No. Too many things would have to align.

[Adam Carolla]

Also, there's a kind of a weird pedestrian thing that I always learned from doing Loveline because like when some guy, some 15 year old call in and you go, I'm having sex with my best friend's mom, you know? And I'd go, really? And I'd go, oh, yeah. And I'd go, really? And I'd go, oh, yeah. And I go, you had sex? Yeah, two nights ago. I'd go, what was she wearing? And if they go, she was wearing a negligee with stiletto heels. I go, all right, get out of here. Right. But they go, she had a Steelers jersey on. She was wearing. She's a Rocky Blyer fan. Anyway, I'd go, oh, he banged his.

[Charlie Sheen]

For sure.

[Adam Carolla]

For sure. He banged him off. Because this is specific.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And it's not helping his story. It's just specific. Right. The scale and the porcelain and the toilet, it just.

[Charlie Sheen]

And Blyer.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Mr. Wolf couldn't have come up with that story.

[Charlie Sheen]

No.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

And it's interesting. I've told the story over the years and not like, you know, told it so many times now it's committed to memory. No, it just. The story has never changed. Not one detail, you know? Oh, I left one thing out, and it was the strangest moment when I picked up the phone to get call for help. I looked at the phone and what felt like 10 seconds was probably less than a second. But for some reason, I didn't know whether to call 911 or 41 1.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

And really had to, like, struggle past that and then finally hit the right numbers. Isn't that strange? Yeah, just kind of.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Had a glitch. I had a glitch.

[Adam Carolla]

It's why if you ever do a game show and they'll go like, name the longtime storied Italian skipper for the Los Angeles Dodgers. And you go. And you're like, it's Tommy Lasorda any day of the week, except for when someone's pointing at you.

[Charlie Sheen]

And then there's that weird ticking clock.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. There's that weird human. And, you know, the Michael Jordans of the world are the ones who do better with the ticking clock. And everyone else is the people that start sweating with the ticking clock.

[Charlie Sheen]

It's not part of their day job.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. The Jordan story was interesting as part of the doc as well. But growing up in Malibu, I love. And like I said, I got a glimpse into it when I was talking to Sean Penn about old Malibu. And I think I talked to Rob Lowe about old rural, sort of middle class Malibu. Not David Geffen sort of elite Malibu, but just regular folk Malibu, which you grow up.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. Working class Malibu. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And the group serendipitously around you was. You had the pens.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. And then you got your brothers. And then there's the Rob Lows somewhere in the mix.

[Charlie Sheen]

He and his brother Chad, his younger brother. Right, Chad, Micah, they moved onto the same street that we lived on, like four houses down.

[Adam Carolla]

So who were.

[Charlie Sheen]

They came in a little bit later.

[Adam Carolla]

Uh huh. You know, so like, who was like the all star team of people we would know. That was in your lexicon growing up in Malibu.

[Charlie Sheen]

Back then it was the Pens, it was the Lows, us, I guess. And I'm trying to think if I'm leaving anybody out. People always want to connect Downey junior To our crew, but that, that happened in high school, so way later on. And then his first friend on the group was Ramon. Ramon and Downey were like tight, Right.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, from Santa Monica.

[Charlie Sheen]

From Santa Monica High School. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Which was the only high school around.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So that was a long haul every morning.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. And if the sophomore year on the bus.

[Adam Carolla]

Right?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

But you, you were a bad student.

[Charlie Sheen]

No, sophomore year I did pretty good, like a B average, made the baseball team. Things were just feeling like, you know, I could do this, you know, this wasn't too complicated. And then junior year, mom bought me a car. And then I realized that I didn't have to, you know, there wasn't a tractor beam connected to the BMW that pulled me only to Samohai.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

I had, I. The whole city was wide open to explore and I explored it. And that's when the grades and the baseball and just started to slip.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Because you had this sort of wonder. Lust.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Speaking of lust, after you lost your virginity to Candy in Vegas.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

How long until your next encounter?

[Charlie Sheen]

Encounter.

[Adam Carolla]

And was that with a civilian?

[Charlie Sheen]

It was with a civilian, yeah. It's a gal named Paula and who I have a child with early on. Yeah. My oldest daughter. Yeah. Cassandra. And so, yeah, Paula was my girlfriend for my entire senior year. And I don't know if it started towards the end of junior year or. But yeah. And then we, you know, I Told her, I said, look, I'm gonna pursue the acting thing, you know, my first summer of freedom in frickin 12 years. And I said, so I don't think we're gonna make it, you know, I don't think we're gonna last. And so then, you know, I would go, you know, did a few movies, was traveling, things are looking up. And then, you know, I would see her for the physical benefits mutually. And that's when she got pregnant.

[Adam Carolla]

Sean Penn and I got so many questions. I mean, this is a whole Karate Kid thing that I found interesting. There's basically Sean Penn explaining the doc is funny in that. And it's interesting in that smoking was considered cool and now it's not considered cool.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

And I always laugh that if you go to an old diner and they see all the old celebrities, you'll see Shirley Temple smoking. Like they literally just hand you a cigarette and go, we're taking a picture. And you go, I don't smoke. Yeah, but we're taking a picture, so we need you to smoke. And so now we went from everyone who didn't even smoke smoking to celebrities having to crouch behind a dumpster, like by the side of the club. Cause they didn't want people to see them smoke.

[Charlie Sheen]

Treated like heroin, right?

[Adam Carolla]

Sean Penn is the only guy left who goes, wait a minute. Oh, okay, let me grab my cigarette before we start shooting. He literally just made sure there was a burning cigarette in his hand for every moment he was on camera. Which most guys would go, like, give me a five minute break. They go to the porch, they grab a butt and they put it out. Do a shot of mouthwash and then sit back down again. All right, let's film. You know, not him.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sean's not most guys.

[Adam Carolla]

He's like the white Dave Chappelle when it comes to smoking. Dave Chappelle. Dave still walks on the stage, stops, and then goes, where's my cigarettes? And literally doesn't even smoke it. He just holds it.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, he doesn't light it?

[Adam Carolla]

No, he lights it, but he doesn't take a draw off it.

[Charlie Sheen]

Interesting.

[Adam Carolla]

He's really saying, I dare someone to come up here and tell me to put this cigarette out.

[Charlie Sheen]

Find me.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, like, here's what I'm doing. It was sort of during the. It was sort of you and the Tiger blood era, where you're like going, say something.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, do it.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, speak up. Lots of questions to go. You okay? You having a good time?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, no, this is fabulous. Sean years ago went out on Letterman and Sat down and, you know, they exchanged their pleasantries. And he just goes into his pocket like he's in his living room, right? You know, fires one up and Dave's like. And I don't know if you can find the clip, but Dave's like, you're not supposed to do that in here or something.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, Dave. Well, Dave was one of the guys. I've done a show a couple of times where you do Leno and they go, have fun. Oh, by the way, Leno just was in here telling the story about you saying your limousine they sent for you, got T boned.

[Charlie Sheen]

And I. Oh, he was just in here.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Yeah, we should cross check that.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. No, it's 100% true.

[Adam Carolla]

But Letterman is a guy. When you do his show, there's a lot of like. It's almost like they do. If you go to a wild animal park and they go, okay, we can put you in with the rhinos. But no eye contact. Don't make any sudden moves. Do not. If you're going to feed them, you put your hand down. You don't hold it. You get rules with Letterman. Don't touch him. Don't eyeball him. Like, don't whatever. So lighting a cigarette was probably on that list somewhere.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, that's so funny. Sean didn't care.

[Adam Carolla]

We have the Gargos, by the way, that I was referring to, just so you can see how they can and will cook docks. We will land on you like a ton of bricks. We will land on you like a hammer. If you do anything to besmirch this.

[Charlie Sheen]

Man'S reputation, any way to intrude on his privacy in any way that's actionable, we will unleash a legal point like you've never seen Michael called.

[Adam Carolla]

Right? So he's talking about bugging the airplane and they're basically cutting it. Like he said, if you're a victim of this guy and you speak up, will destroy you.

[Charlie Sheen]

Wow.

[Adam Carolla]

Which makes him sound like the world's worst guy. Right? But they edit it. That's how they edit it together.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. It's a people on both sides moment, isn't it?

[Adam Carolla]

There's good, good people, right? All right, we'll take.

[Charlie Sheen]

Can I hit the bathroom?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah. We'll take a quick break.

[Charlie Sheen]

Is that okay?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Hit the bathroom. We'll be back. More Charlie Sheen right after this.

[Charlie Sheen]

Awesome. Thank.

[Adam Carolla]

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[Dawson]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[Dawson]

It'S time for Nicaraguan Name that movie with Adam's buddy Oswaldo. See if you can guess which movie this famous line is from.

[Charlie Sheen]

Abeng Me. Avenge me.

[Dawson]

If you said Red dawn, avenge me.

[Charlie Sheen]

You'Re correct.

[Adam Carolla]

Now back to the show. Yeah, Red dawn, which I will never change. If that show, that movie comes on cable, I'll never. I'll never change that. I always watch it all.

[Charlie Sheen]

Seriously, thank you.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I've got It. There's got a few of those in my. My pantheon of movies. I will never. I will never switch now. You know, the thing about, like, Platoon. Platoon is a great movie, and of course it's a better movie than Red dawn, but it's a little more of a commitment, like, emotionally, and you have to kind of be in the mood to go there. Whereas Red Dunn is just on and you can watch it. You know what I mean?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, for sure.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

That was a difficult but really exciting shoot. Yeah, that was my second job.

[Adam Carolla]

That was after Ferris Bueller.

[Charlie Sheen]

No, that was before.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, it was before. Oh, that's where. The Gray. Jennifer Grey.

[Charlie Sheen]

That's where I met Jennifer. Yeah. On Red Dawn. No, I went from Budapest with the first thing. With the Grizzly 2. Grizzly 2, yes.

[Adam Carolla]

And it's funny, but Clooney was in that. And Clooney was Laura Dern. Laura Dern.

[Charlie Sheen]

So that's good trip. And then I had, like a month off or a couple weeks off and went right to Las Vegas, New Mexico, the other Las Vegas. And we started Red Dawn.

[Adam Carolla]

And that's where you struck up a friendship relationship, what have you, with Jennifer.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And then she called you in for Ferris Buell.

[Charlie Sheen]

That's what led to it. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. So in that part, because you're talking about shooting in Hungary, and then there was Karate Kid. And they wanted you as the Karate Kid, but they needed you immediately.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

And you had committed to a much lesser project.

[Charlie Sheen]

Grizzly.

[Adam Carolla]

Grizzly 2.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So you had a choice between Grizzly 2 and Karate Kid?

[Charlie Sheen]

The first one, essentially. Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

But they needed you now.

[Charlie Sheen]

They needed me, like, I think the audition was on a Friday. It was one of the final auditions of the summer for just, you know, in that first. That maiden stretch of mine. Yeah. And they wanted me, like, on Monday, Right. To put on a gi.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

And I felt like that was a little rushed. I was only going to Budapest for, like, two weeks, Right. Three, max. They were pressing, Right.

[Adam Carolla]

So they were like, we need you tomorrow. And then you talk to your dad about it. Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

I talked to my agent, Glennis, first, though, and I said, let's try to figure out a way to maneuver out of Budapest and go, you know, get into the training.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

And then. Yeah, and then I didn't feel great about that. I think I was also afraid of just the size of Karate Kid, you know, because that would have been my first job. And the only experience I'd had was the stuff you see in the dock, which doesn't really lend itself to, you.

[Adam Carolla]

Know, that was pre Red dawn or post Red Dawn.

[Charlie Sheen]

No, it would have been right about. Yeah, no, no, I'm mistaken with the, with the timeline. There would have been, I think there would have been enough time to do Karate Kid and then Red Dawn. I think that's the way that it, that it could have shaped up.

[Adam Carolla]

In the doc you're talking about having to go to Back to Budapest and your dad saying, look, you gave him your word.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, he did.

[Adam Carolla]

So you gotta honor that.

[Charlie Sheen]

He said, that's gonna carry you further than one hit movie.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

Of course, neither of us knowing just how big of a hit movie that thing would become. And then I didn't work after that. I didn't work after Red dawn for a long time.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, but what do you think? So let's talk about stereotypes for a while, for a moment.

[Charlie Sheen]

Okay.

[Adam Carolla]

In the doc you kind of alluded not in a mean spirited way, but you know, Macchio became the Karate Kid and now he's doing Cobra Kai and he sort of, he became the Karate Kid, you know, and there was a.

[Charlie Sheen]

Movie recently, like a month ago.

[Adam Carolla]

Right, right. But big picture, you think it's great to play little buddy on Gilligan's island, but 10 years later you're at the boat show in Long beach wearing the outfit, you know what I mean? So you're little buddy forever, you know what I mean? Or one of the Brady Kids or something. It's a double edged sword. But on the other hand, you know, Johnny Depp was on 21 Jump street, but he's not there anymore. Like there's plenty of stories about guys being on Disney and being on this movie or that movie Grizzly 2. Clooney landed on his feet, so did Dern, you know what I mean? So is it you being typecast or is it you not being really having the ability to pull out of that? Like there's a gravity of that. Like if you're in a schmaltzy sitcom, well then, yeah, right, right. But if you are really talented presence and a great actor, they figure out a way to kind of extricate themselves from the typecast. And so the typecast almost becomes an excuse. Like the Brady Kids were like, oh, we're always looked at as the Brady Kids. Yeah. But none of you can act, so that's why that's part of it too, you know?

[Charlie Sheen]

Sure. So you're saying that there was a chance that I would have done that and then only done like one sequel.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, you were sort of alluding that maybe I Dodged a bullet with Karate Kid, because I would have become that. But I don't think you would have become that.

[Charlie Sheen]

Okay, cool.

[Adam Carolla]

That's what I'm saying.

[Charlie Sheen]

I also don't want to. On Ralph's career.

[Adam Carolla]

No. He's a really nice guy, and he's had a really good career.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, he has. Yeah. And there's not a chance I could have pulled off what he did in Karate Kid.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, well, all movies are like, Tom Selleck is Indiana Jones, you know, but it's. It's ruined because you already have your mind.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

Of what that is.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right. And you even think about, you know, what's Apocalypse with Harvey Keitel.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

Who was originally filmed for a month.

[Adam Carolla]

And your dad's role. Yes, right.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And by the way, you know, it's one thing. I mean, Harvey's brilliant, but it's one thing. Like, you think about things like getting pulled in the first inning of a World Series as a pitcher or something like that, but getting pulled two months into a shoot, that's.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

There's no way to get around that in the sting department. Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

And that might have happened on Karate Kid because I might have just had that one golden moment in that audition where the director was like, that's the guy. And then a week later, he's like, we're not so sure anymore.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, I think I.

[Charlie Sheen]

Listen, you think? I would have figured it out.

[Adam Carolla]

I think because of you being a sort of Swiss army knife of performing.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you.

[Adam Carolla]

That we would say no. He's done slapstick stuff with Zucker and Abrams. He's done real heavy stuff in Platoon. He's done sitcom stuff. Like. I think the argument would have been made that this would have just been another thing he would have done.

[Charlie Sheen]

Okay, cool.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, cool.

[Charlie Sheen]

I'm gonna roll with that versatile ability. Thank you.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. And in a weird way, kind of Val Kilmery in a sense, that he could do real big slapsticky stuff and then real heavy stuff as well.

[Charlie Sheen]

You know, he worked with the ZAZ team, didn't he?

[Adam Carolla]

I think so, yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. Top secret. No. What the hell is it called?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, it was top secret. Yeah. So you. Lots of stuff. So Karate Kid. Interesting. And also, it's a weird business because there's so many what ifs, whereas other businesses don't have so much of the what if department.

[Charlie Sheen]

No.

[Adam Carolla]

So for you, do you want to be in another sitcom? Do you want to work regularly? Do you want to get back to features? Do you want to create? Or do you want to be an Author. Like, what is the third chapter? Third act or act, I should say. I was looking at your books. Chapter came flying out. But. Yeah. What's the third act feel like for you?

[Charlie Sheen]

All of that. All of that would be awesome if, you know, those opportunities remain available and on the table. And, you know, of course, with the right material, with the right people, that's the benefit of, you know, not having a cluttered mind, trying to make, you know, important creative decisions that, you know, I'm not in any rush, but, yeah, I would. If the right sitcom, you know, I would. I would. I would do. I would do that because it's just, you know, kind of gnaws at me how. How that chapter of my career was left. It's just. It's this.

[Adam Carolla]

The Two and a Half Man.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. It's this unfinished vibe with that, and I just. It. It needs a proper bookend.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

You know, and there is one that I really like, and it's the only one that I would do, but it's not. It's not, you know, set up enough to really talk about it, you know.

[Adam Carolla]

But is it currently. Does it currently exist?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, yeah, it's been written, and it's a gem.

[Adam Carolla]

As a sitcom.

[Charlie Sheen]

As a sitcom.

[Adam Carolla]

For camera or single cam?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. Four. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

For a network.

[Charlie Sheen]

Well, that. That's what we'd have to decide. Would it be a streamer? Would it be a network?

[Adam Carolla]

Would it be working with the people who created what?

[Charlie Sheen]

It's two alums from Two and a Half.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, okay.

[Charlie Sheen]

And it's not John Cryer. It's not Chuck Lorre.

[Adam Carolla]

Is there any Chuck Lorre relationship now?

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

You're good.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yes, we are.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay. Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

He asked me to do a cameo in the show we had on HBO called Bookie.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, right. That's right. That's right. Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

With Sebastian.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. You were gambling in Malibu. In rehab.

[Charlie Sheen]

In rehab.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Yeah, that's right. It's all coming back. That was a funny scene.

[Charlie Sheen]

He put together the original card game from the pilot of Two and a Half Men.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

That's so interesting.

[Charlie Sheen]

Angus was there.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

Don Foster was there. Eddie Gordatsky, like all the guys that were.

[Adam Carolla]

Eddie, the writer.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

People know.

[Charlie Sheen]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So that's interesting. And. And.

[Charlie Sheen]

But. But also, you know, if, you know, something really edgy and cool, you know, like a Bosch, the TV show, at some point I need to be knocking on doors with a badge. I mean, I've never done that.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

Such a fan.

[Adam Carolla]

Titus Welliver.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

Has been in here a few Times.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Very interesting dude.

[Charlie Sheen]

Good dude.

[Adam Carolla]

Good. Interesting.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. Great actor.

[Adam Carolla]

I agree. So you figure, I'm guessing the dust is settled on your reputation sufficiently that it's not an impediment to you going out?

[Charlie Sheen]

I wouldn't.

[Adam Carolla]

I would hope so, being on in any production. Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. No, I don't. I mean, people talk about, what if he melts down again. I only got one of those in this lifetime. That thing was exhausting.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. I could imagine.

[Charlie Sheen]

Really left a trail of wreckage that took a long time to police.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, also, it's kind of an interesting testament to the human spirit or drive or something that you were able to get as much stuff done in that condition, which is.

[Charlie Sheen]

What the hell, man?

[Adam Carolla]

Most people couldn't. Most people just be bedridden or institutionalized or something? Wouldn't be able to. I mean, it's that thing where it's like, I got shot, but I was able to walk two miles to the sheriff's station. It's like what humans can kind of do. Sure. You know what I mean?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

It turned out later I severed this artery and broken that bone. It's like. But you walked, you know, like. Like you had a motor and a sort of intestinal fortitude and a kind of a thing that was able to sort of transcend the condition you were in, which is not a thing. Most people don't have that constitution.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

Most people. There's an extreme where a person just goes, I can't think. I'm not going on. I can't go over nothing. Right. And then there's you, who's, you know, got horse tranquilizer in him and is showing up on set putting an ice cube up his ass, trying to wake up.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right, right. Yeah. That ice cube thing is. That's such an interesting story, isn't it?

[Adam Carolla]

It was on the set of a movie.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

The coke by that point had just been overwhelming.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Smoking.

[Adam Carolla]

Was it smoking at that point?

[Charlie Sheen]

I was under the pipe by then. Yeah. And I just been on too long of. But could never do dialogue. Like, I couldn't be like, you know, just right off the set hitting the pipe and then come in and do a scene. I couldn't do that. So if I'd had a night on the pipe, it was usually just some. Just some booze in the morning just to kind of. Just to settle it down and then work on that and getting through the day knowing that my reward back at the hotel was the pipe, you know.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

Jesus.

[Adam Carolla]

But you had a scene to do.

[Charlie Sheen]

I had A scene to do. And I think I made the mistake of eating because then all. Then all the blood is there and not here. And I kind of felt it, but I didn't know it was as obvious that I was falling asleep on camera. And the director pulled me aside and he said, hey, I don't know how to tell you. He was just trying to be, you know, he was trying to softball it and he says, you're. You're nodding off. And I was like, fuck. I vowed to never do that.

[Adam Carolla]

Right?

[Charlie Sheen]

I vowed. I don't know. But. And I. And I was. And I just. I don't know where the idea came from. And I just like went right. I went right to solution. I said, I need a cup with ice. And the one landed in front of me magically. And I picked it up and I said, where's the bathroom? And just beelined it and just said, I have a hunch this is going to work. And just keistered one.

[Adam Carolla]

But it wasn't an old acting trick that your coach gave you or some. No, I'd heard of Eastern Indian philosophy or something. You must have had that in your head from something.

[Charlie Sheen]

Something connected to sex. Stuff that I'd heard people had used ice cubes for some titillation or some enhancement. And I just, I could never figure out how that. How those would go together.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

But it did make sense in that moment that that could be enough of a shock to the system to suddenly, you know, And I wasn't looking for hours on it. I just needed 10 minutes. And it worked. Yeah, it did.

[Adam Carolla]

It's in the M.O. they show the actual scene, not the ice cube scene.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right, right, right. So, yeah, but no, you talk about that thing. You talk about that drive the guy that walks two miles with the. With the hole.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, but. So what I'm saying is, is it's a virtue if it's wartime, but if it's non wartime, then you just do a shitload of drugs and what are we doing? Yeah, like. And you do much more than other people would do. And. And the consequences get staved off because you're able to rally the next morning. Whereas someone else, they'd go, we gotta get him help because he cannot function anymore. So in a weird way, I had a dentist look in my mouth once and he looked at my tooth and he goes, when you've been in the dentist last, I was like, I don't know, it's been three years. He goes, you got a high tolerance for pain, don't you? Wow. Which I didn't take as a compliment. It meant my tooth was really fucked up. But the point is, I am that way too. I'm like. But all I get is a fucked up tooth over it. You know what I mean? Because other people would hurt enough for them to go in and get it taken care of. My tooth gets worse because I don't do anything for two years because it doesn't bother me.

[Charlie Sheen]

Got it.

[Adam Carolla]

Like other people would be bothered.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sure.

[Adam Carolla]

And so you get to take your addiction to incredible and new heights, whereas other people would have bottomed out at a lesser and earlier phase.

[Charlie Sheen]

For sure.

[Adam Carolla]

Right?

[Charlie Sheen]

For sure.

[Adam Carolla]

And so this kind of weird Viking kind of survivor, you know, Dr. Drew would say the guys that survived the wars were alcoholics. You know what I mean? Like from back in the day, they were just super hardy. You know what I mean? Sure, yeah. So on one hand it's kind of great to be hardy. On the other hand, it can just mean you do more damage, prolonging the inevitable. Right?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or staving off.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. Cause yeah. I mean, when you have Slash telling you to reel it in. Yeah. In the substance department, saying you, you.

[Charlie Sheen]

You, you go today or you're going to die.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

You know, and I'm sorry. You know, imagine the people he's seen.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Charlie Sheen]

In those conditions.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah, yeah. So you don't seem to be. Have adverse effects.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you.

[Adam Carolla]

You don't seem to have residual. Like a lot of people would be like addled. You know what I mean? Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you.

[Adam Carolla]

It doesn't feel, I mean, feel the opposite of that. It feels super lucid.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, thank you. Thank you. No, it doesn't feel. But then, but I, but the way I process that now, and it's not a fucking AA thing, it's just a life thing, is that, you know, you can only thumb your nose at the universe so many times before it just finally gives you the backhand of the gods, you know? And I just, it's, I'm just, I'm, I'm grateful to have got. Gotten through all of that. There's nothing left to prove over there. I think I kind of, not the, you know, not that I'm proud of this, but I kind of might have set the bar in, in some ways. Right.

[Adam Carolla]

In the, in the abuse department. Substance abuse department.

[Charlie Sheen]

I mean, for, for people still alive.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, for people.

[Charlie Sheen]

People still love and just to be excited again about re. Entering a high stakes creative environment with the tools and the passion that I had for so long, like when it started and when things were cooking and I was just like, right.

[Adam Carolla]

At the.

[Charlie Sheen]

Epicenter of that energy, you know, and that's what is exciting today. Not like, oh, shit, okay, I fooled him again. If I just do this just for this much longer, make a big bag of cash again, I can go back to that.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, also, you're playing with a bad need the whole time, which is substance. Oftentimes with substance now, you can get into the game now and be 100% fully healthy, absolutely rehabbed, strong.

[Charlie Sheen]

And that's how I saw it as a kid. That was the fantasy as a child, you know, to do something that the world loved or that, you know, name in lights, the whole package.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

And that as a child, I didn't. There was nothing missing from just that.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

I wasn't adding, you know, insane addiction and, you know, all of the. All of that stuff, all the chemical.

[Adam Carolla]

Shit, you know, I was sitting 60ft from here in a sort of man cave, watching football on a Sunday, as I do with the boys and comedy guys, fun guys and whatever. And somebody said, did you see the Shane doc? And everyone's like, yeah, yeah, it was great, great. And then someone said, we're going to order from the other side of the menu. And then someone else started yelling, I want to know what's on the other side of that menu. Wow. Which is a sort of homosexual reference, sexual thing that you were alluding to at the end of the doc. And then I was sort of thinking about it and I was like, well, he never struck me as bisexual.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

He struck me as a. Who is sort of hypersexual, but for women. But there is a hypersexuality that can just sort of go into whatever, which is. I like sex so much that I don't even draw a distinction between the sexes.

[Charlie Sheen]

That's kind of what happened.

[Adam Carolla]

Is that a description of you?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I mean, mixed with drugs, I'm guessing.

[Charlie Sheen]

Especially the pipe, something about the delivery system of cocaine at that intensity. It just really just opened stuff up in a way that whatever was going on just suddenly wasn't satisfying or wasn't unique enough anymore. And the other element is that the girls that I was keeping company with, sometimes living with, we're all, you know, adult actresses. So they're coming home, coming back to my place with stories of the stuff they just filmed that day. And I'm like, well, tell me more about that. Right, well, hold on. What was that scene about? And then you, you know, then just the more drugs and the more curiosity and Just the thing. And then like. Well, let's, you know, I think it was kind of framed interestingly. Like, let's just flip that thing over.

[Adam Carolla]

And see what's on the other side.

[Charlie Sheen]

See what's on the other side.

[Adam Carolla]

But you never think of yourself as bisexual?

[Charlie Sheen]

I didn't, no.

[Adam Carolla]

Or gay?

[Charlie Sheen]

No, no, no.

[Adam Carolla]

And is it. Here's what it sort of strikes for me or the way I think of it, it's like drugs make you want to sort of up the ante in sort of every department.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sure.

[Adam Carolla]

Or inebriation just makes you want to, you know, you don't want one slice of pizza. You want 11 slices of pizza. Cause you're high. You know what I mean? Like, it just. Everything is more. And you're basically topped off in the vagina department at this point. I mean, there's not a whole lot of room between you and the ceiling of the vagina room.

[Charlie Sheen]

Pretty much.

[Adam Carolla]

Because you're pretty much there.

[Charlie Sheen]

The ceiling of the vagina room.

[Adam Carolla]

You're already mashing your head up against the ceiling of the vagina room. And so where are we going from here?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Is that what's sort of explained, period?

[Charlie Sheen]

That's a really good way to frame it. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Is that where we assume the HIV came from or was it from the adult actress side? Or do we even know?

[Charlie Sheen]

I don't specifically know, but that would be my best guess. And in fact, in the book with the chronology of talking about a lot of that stuff and then contracting and then the thing with Matt Lauer, it's in the order that it's in for a reason. Because if it wasn't there, there's no blood transfusion. I can fucking blame it on, you know what I'm saying? So yeah, had to be somewhere in that. The experimental sort of, you know, that part of it.

[Adam Carolla]

It's amazing that you're alive, but it's also amazing that you're relatively unscathed. I mean, sort of physically and from a cognitive standpoint. I know I've said it before, but.

[Charlie Sheen]

I mean, I appreciate that.

[Adam Carolla]

Lucid and articulate and quick witted. Thank you. And a thing that is probably a little more just a core kind of into the fiber kind of thing. That same thing that sort of made you show up on set and do your job when you're high as a kite and in the throes of this insanity where most people be hospitalized, you're doing that well now that unencumbered with drugs and sober really gets a chance to shine.

[Charlie Sheen]

Absolutely.

[Adam Carolla]

And so I'm really happy.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, thank you.

[Adam Carolla]

You've ended up how you've ended up. And I've always just sort of watched you at a distance and went like, I feel like I know who this guy is.

[Charlie Sheen]

That's tr.

[Adam Carolla]

In a weird way.

[Charlie Sheen]

That's really cool. That's really cool. Did you always anticipate that once we did finally sit down that we would have a cool vibe together? Yeah, I have, because that's what I knew you did. That's what I insisted on, that it wouldn't be anything other than that. And it's really cool when that's the case.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, my thing is a kind of a low self esteem baseline where I'm like, hello? I go, well, I know who he is, but he doesn't give a fuck who I am. He probably doesn't know, but I think through watching you in film and on sitcoms, but in the doc, I go, okay, I know who this guy is. And I feel like we're gonna really get on.

[Charlie Sheen]

Well, right on.

[Adam Carolla]

Cause I think I know who he is and there's something authentic about him and he's not presumptuous. And also I think we can talk about stuff and he's not gonna be offended. You know, there are people who write tell all books and then you ask them about something that's in the book and then they get offended that you ask them what's in the book.

[Charlie Sheen]

You can't put it in a book and a doc that come out almost on the same day and then not fucking talk about it. What are we doing?

[Adam Carolla]

Right? Well, there is a part of my job which I always would describe as they'd go, look, we got Monica Lewinsky, but she only wants to talk about her line of handbags. And I go like, yeah, but that's why we're. Yeah, but what do we do? And then how do we get in this? Yeah. So thank you for being an open book. And speaking of the book, it's available now and it's the book of Sheen and also the doc, AKA Charlie Sheen. Two parter, Netflix. Super enjoyable. I can't say enough about it. And like I said, very well crafted, like, very well done, very entertaining. Show it to your friends that don't like docs. Charlie, it's been a treat and I'm really happy.

[Charlie Sheen]

Likewise. Thank you. Thank you.

[Adam Carolla]

I hope you come back. I would love whenever, whenever you'd like.

[Charlie Sheen]

To talk about the self esteem thing with this top. I, I, the story I roll in with is, you know, he's Done all these great shows with his amazing guests, and then I'm the guy that shows up and ruins.

[Adam Carolla]

I love it.

[Charlie Sheen]

So we're both writing the same story? Yes, from a different side of the desk. It's a trip. Isn't it sad that we're going to.

[Adam Carolla]

Take it to our grave? All right, Charlie Sheen, Fantastic. You're the best. And we'll be right back with Dawson in the news right after this. Simply safe. You ever wonder if your security system is really security? I mean, I just saw a video. An arsonist tries torching a family's house. Simplisafe. It stops the guy cold, right? Then powder before the flames start. And you can hear the monitoring agent on the phone with dispatch. Total pro. Not sleeping on the job. Most systems, well, they wait until someone's already inside and it's too late by then, right? SimpleLife's different. Their AI powered cameras catch threats before they cross the line. Real agents confront the intruder. Yelling over speakers, sounding sirens, making it clear they're being watched and the police are coming. That's security before the crime, not after the crime. I trust Simplisafe to protect my home and my family. I always have. And everything that matters. It's Simplisafe. Am I right, Dawson?

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[Adam Carolla]

All right, Dawson, what do you got in the news department?

[Dawson]

Kamala Harris. Not done yet.

[Adam Carolla]

Hold on. I made a note on my hand when I was driving.

[Dawson]

Okay. It looks like an M or a W or a 3.

[Adam Carolla]

It's an M and a W, depending on what side of it you're on. I was just driving and Macy Gray came on the radio. And I like Macy Gray. But I realized she's really strange, you know? And then I realized I think Macy Gray is the black Bjork.

[Dawson]

Black Bjork.

[Adam Carolla]

Likable, yeah. Writes a catchy tune. No one exactly knows who they are or like. Are they married? Are they heterosexual? Are they gay? Are they straight? Where do they live? They don't really pop up. They don't make the rounds. Like, you never. You never drive into Palm Springs and say, coming up, the Yamaha Theater, Bjork, Jonas Brothers. And then Bjork. You know what I mean? Or Macy Gray. They're both sort of equally as recognizable, but people don't really know their canon or their catalog. Like, people will go, oh, let me name my top 10 Bjork songs. They just like her. They respect her. She's weird.

[Dawson]

And there's enough about her that she's in our minds. Everyone knows who she is, but no one knows what she's.

[Adam Carolla]

I feel the same about Macy Gray. And by the way, neither one of them. Neither one of them presents danger. These are good folk, although I don't know who they are. And I kinda like to date them, but not really. And I'm just not sure. But I just realized, much like Steve Harvey is the black Dr. Phil, Macy Gray is the black Bjork.

[Dawson]

Okay, all right.

[Adam Carolla]

I just wanted to put that out there. Now we can move on.

[Dawson]

And this was your thought coming in this morning.

[Adam Carolla]

That's why I drew an M on my. On my hand. Because, you know, I started. I started to write M. I wrote M for Macy Gray, and then I started to write a B. And then I thought to myself, how much prompting do I need? Like, you think I'm just gonna have the M and space out on the Bjork, Right?

[Dawson]

You would have been in an accident.

[Adam Carolla]

I was 12 minutes away. I was like, even with my senior moments, I think I can retain my am. Yeah. I'm not gonna be confused as to am.

[Dawson]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, so I got that. Anyway, Kamala.

[Dawson]

Kamala says she's not done. Let's hear her interview here.

[Adam Carolla]

Not done with what?

[Dawson]

Not done. She's not done. It's unclear, but she's not done.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay. All right, let's do it.

[Charlie Sheen]

In terms then, of what is next for you, you write very powerfully about.

[Adam Carolla]

The differences that many women have made to your life.

[Charlie Sheen]

Whether that was your meeting with Angela.

[Adam Carolla]

Merkel or the experience of growing up.

[Charlie Sheen]

With your extraordinary mother, or the stories of your.

[Adam Carolla]

Wait, pause it for a second. Your extraordinary Indian mom, who you never talk about because you're black. That mom. The mom you ignore. That mom. My powerful.

[Dawson]

See, they care in BBC because they eat a lot of Indian food out there.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah, that's what they're going to. Yeah. She never says Indian or half Indian or anything.

[Dawson]

I bet if she's in London or in. In the uk, she probably speaks about her Indian Mother over there.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah. All right, Sorry. Continue.

[Charlie Sheen]

He says, amara and Leela, when are.

[Adam Carolla]

They going to see a woman in charge in the White House? In their lifetime for sure. Could it be you? Possibly. Yeah, could be.

[Charlie Sheen]

Have you made a decision yet?

[Adam Carolla]

No, I have not. But you say in your book, I'm not done. That is correct. I am not done. I have lived my entire life. Career, A life of service. I do love it in my bones. Talking about servicing Willie Brown.

[Dawson]

Right? That's the kind of service Montel.

[Adam Carolla]

Right, Montel and Willie Brown. But Willie Brown was the service. So you could get the gig.

[Dawson]

Right?

[Adam Carolla]

So I get that part. I wish I could. You know what? I wish there was some sort of reciprocity, you know, like Corolla, how that guy make all that money. You know, he ate the right pussy in the 90s and, you know, they just shot him right to the front of the line. What Adam did, well, he ate that district selectman's pussy and then she just sort of pushed him right to the front there. That's how he got the job.

[Dawson]

I heard you draw this connection before. We were talking about female groupies and that there's no equivalent on the other side. Nobody's going to, hey, I gotta go.

[Adam Carolla]

Lick Roberta Flack's pussy. I forgot about that. Yeah, yeah. I want the big one from Hart. That's how I roll.

[Dawson]

Anyway, Kamala's not done. I don't know what the hell she thinks she's going to do, but I.

[Adam Carolla]

Don'T know what she started. Like, she was just a horrible vice president who failed upwards. As far as I know, the only thing I'd ever heard her be in charge of was the border. And that was a tremendous failure. So I don't know what she's not done doing or was. She did spend, like, $125 billion, so maybe that's she's not done spending other people's money. I don't know. And this. Look, can we disavow or not disavow, but dispel of the notion of we need a woman in charge of X, Y or Z. We need a competent person, male or female. Los Angeles has women in charge left and right, and they fucking suck. And they don't know how to think clearly and they're dopes and they're ruining the city. So this notion of, like, we only got a few more vaginas in the room. No, no, no, no. We have a mayor and a predominant female city council, and none of those bitches know how to think. And they're ruining the city. So this notion of like, well, now we need someone. Now we need someone who's bright and has a plan. But that's not this one.

[Dawson]

That's not Kamala. It could be Gavin Newsom, though.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah. Oh.

[Dawson]

They're saying that he finally is confirming his 2028 presidential ambitions. He finally confirmed it. And he said he's still playing. They said he's still playing coy. Whether or not he'll actually run, he says, yeah, I'd be lying otherwise. He told CBS News Sunday morning in a pre taped interview. He said, I'd just be lying and I'm not. I can't do that. I don't know what that means. In recent months, Newsom has swung through early key states like South Carolina. He's got his great podcast. He turned his social media handles into troll accounts that consistently post bizarre and over the top responses to GOP critics.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, you know, the thing about him that you don't say about everyone is there's something wrong with him big time. And, and you can say, I disagree with this guy, I disagree with that guy, but there's not something wrong with them. There's something wrong with Gavin Newsom. There are other folks I just disagree with, but there's not something wrong with that.

[Dawson]

Gavin has a need to be loved.

[Adam Carolla]

He needs to be.

[Dawson]

He needs people to fondle over him and fond.

[Adam Carolla]

Fond over him.

[Dawson]

Yes. Yeah, there's something wrong with him.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, there is. And you know, it's funny, I was like, I was watching this clip from 2018, and he's talking about homeless and schizophrenia and drug and alcohol abuse and mental instability, and that's all he's talking about from 2018. And then I was like, well, you sat where you're satisfied sitting five years earlier and told me it was nothing to do with drugs and nothing to do with men. I mean, he said, what about the real picture of homelessness? And that was a mom who had a full time job, was getting minimum wage, who got divorced. So how did he change? I don't get how he changed so fast. I don't get what. He knew when he was sitting with me was in his 40s. There's a clip. Oh, Andrew, do you have the clip of him talking about drugs? So he's in his 40s. He's sitting here and I'm explaining to him these homeless people are on drugs and they have schizophrenia and they need to be taken off the streets and they need to be put somewhere and they need tending to like, these are crazy drug addicts who are expiring in the street, sleeping on the sidewalk. We need to gather them up and put them in some sort of facility. They need taking care of. They're human beings. You would do that for a dog who was in the street. The dog wouldn't be on drugs. The dog would just be in the street walking in circles with his fur falling out. And then you'd go, pick it up and you'd go, for Christ's sake, where's your humanity, man? Pick the dog up, take him somewhere and you take him to a shelter. All right, this is him, I guess. 2018. Let's see. If we don't address the homeless issue in a meaningful way, we'll have failed also on a moral framework because it.

[Charlie Sheen]

Is a tragedy to see so many.

[Adam Carolla]

People self medicating in drug or alcohol addictions.

[Charlie Sheen]

Bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, paranoia, out on the streets and sidewalks.

[Adam Carolla]

Cleaning sober is one of the biggest things. All right, pause it. He was sat here and told me I was wrong. When I told him, I just said all of the stuff he just said. I just said it a few years earlier and he shot it all down. So something is wrong with him Now, I know he didn't want to agree with me, but I don't know why. If an airplane crashes and you go, well, metallurgy was bad on the impeller and engine number two. If that was the case, why not just agree? You don't have to politicize it. I said, it's crazy people and drug addicts. And he said, no.

[Dawson]

And then he said, you're not in traffic, you are traffic.

[Adam Carolla]

You know the thing that scares me about and everyone, the thing that scares me about Newsom is the same thing that scares me about the ladies on the View. We are so fucking stupid now. We can't recognize stupid. We don't see stupid like you guys. Listen to what Whoopi Goldberg says. It's patently insane and she's fucking nuts and she's a dope. And then you listen to Karen Bass and she's a dope. And then you listen to Gavin Newsom and he's a dope. He doesn't track. He doesn't make sex. I am in the process. Dawson, you would like this of I decided the other day I need just transcribe my conversation with him and have it played out by actors. Wouldn't be my voice. It wouldn't be his voice. Just be actors playing it out. And that's when you realize how insane he sounds. But we are so fucking dumb that we don't recognize dumb. That's the scary part.

[Dawson]

Well, there's a prime example of this I want to show you. I got this video of Newsom appearing on a podcast recently where he tries to claim that he grew up with major hardship.

[Adam Carolla]

He tried to sell that shit here, too. Single mom, mean streets. Tough, tough upbringing.

[Dawson]

The thing is, is nobody ever pushes back. And that's why he thinks he can just keep changing his mind over and over again. But let's watch. This is. This is.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, before we do it, you should know his dad was lead counsel for Getty Oil. Getty's like the richest family in the country, maybe in the world. And that's where his dad. His dad was a judge and a lawyer, Right, too. And then the Gettys.

[Dawson]

Pregnant, a bunch of hot ladies.

[Adam Carolla]

The Gettys were close family friends. And when he started his winery at 25, he got the money from the Getty family, just like you and I did when we were 25. 25. All right, here we go. Tough. But also, you know, it was also.

[Charlie Sheen]

About paying the bills, man.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, man, it was just like hustling and.

[Dawson]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So I was out there kind of raising myself. No, you weren't turning on the tv.

[Charlie Sheen]

Started, you know, just getting obsessed, you.

[Adam Carolla]

Know, sitting there with the, you know, the Wonder Bread and five stacks of, like, the white stack. Five stories. Come on, macaroni and cheese.

[Dawson]

Oh, boy.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm sure all the guys from the hood with the Getty family up in the hisy. The Gettys.

[Dawson]

That's unbelievable.

[Adam Carolla]

Jay Paul Gettys probably coming up, like, what's up? Word up, my homies. Come on, my shizzle, shizzle, my nizzle. Where's your hot sauce, homies? Who's up here in the Mac and cheese? You think he was going into South Central? Hey, man, I'm just sipping on some gin and juice in my 64. Laid back with my mind and my money My money on my mind, baby. He had to be.

[Dawson]

He had to be that super annoying, stuck up, snobby rich kid in school.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, did you see the pictures of him in high school?

[Dawson]

Yeah, he looks like a douche. He's got his scarf on.

[Adam Carolla]

He looks like James Spader from Pretty in Pink. Yes. He's wearing Italian loafers with no socks. His hair is slicked back. He's calling everyone sports. He's got a scarf. He's a world class douchebag who has no personality other than the personality he perceives other people wanting him to have when he's in the room with them, Right? So when he's in a room with the brothers, he starts talking about Mac and cheese and sandwiches, and he goes, come on, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that guy. We're looking at a picture of him. He looks like the sixth Duran Duran member at this point. I'll go with James Spader and Pretty in Pink. I always like that character. He'd smoke in the hallway and he'd pull Ducky Boy aside.

[Dawson]

Or.

[Adam Carolla]

No, he'd pull a. Oh, God, what's his name?

[Dawson]

I know. Andrew.

[Adam Carolla]

Andrew, yeah. I'd pull him aside and go, you know the game is played, don't you, sport? And you go, why not? I like her. Yeah.

[Dawson]

No, you can't be seen with her.

[Adam Carolla]

She comes from the other side of the tracks, okay? You know, remember what high school is like, and you want to date a chick, and your rich friend would pull you aside and tell you you couldn't bang her. God, she lived off of Van Nuys and Sherman Way. You know how that went? Yeah, yeah, I remember that.

[Dawson]

Well, let's talk about, quote, rigging the election election. Newsom says Trump is rigging the election with federal poll monitors. Yeah, I mean, why not? California's voting rolls and mail in ballots, it's just.

[Adam Carolla]

It's.

[Dawson]

It's a fricking wreck. I'm. I'm grateful that there will be federal people helping with this vote, but Newsom says that it's because. Because he wants to rig the election. And.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, look, his thing is, they do this whole thing. They treat folk like they're animals, and then they're the game warden. So you go, you can't have a National Guard on the street that's gonna agitate these people. They speak agitate, upset, anger, and then they're gonna lash out. But it's basically like you're talking about an animal. Like, you would say, you can't do this because that. You know, like, animals are like, you can't wear red. The bull will charge at you. Or, you can't do this, and then try to intimidate the lions. The lions will come out and protect their turf or whatever it is. So his whole thing is, like, if you show up, you're gonna agitate the animals. And my thing is, like, if you're not. Not up to anything illegal, than what do you care?

[Dawson]

What do you care?

[Adam Carolla]

Every look, you go to Sofi Stadium. Security, security and more security. You go through security to get there. There's security outside of Sofi. You're going to see a Rams game, you put your bag through security. Once you go in, there's more security. Are you intimidated? Are you agitated? Not if you're not up to anything. You're not. If you're just there to bring your kids and watch a game, then you'll just sit down and as a matter of fact, you're probably happy the security's there because that means the terrorists are not gonna try to blow it up this weekend.

[Dawson]

I was not happy when we went to that Dodgers game. Security took a full unopened pack of cigarettes from me.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, that's right.

[Dawson]

And I said, you said there's no smoking inside. I'm an adult. I can follow the rules. I'm not gonna light a cigarette from the bleachers.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. Wow.

[Dawson]

They took it from me. I was not happy to see them. But check this out. So he told PBS that the move by Trump is to cast doubt on the potential victory of Proposition 50, the plan to redraw the state's congressional district lines to advantage Democrats. Have you seen this map? Have you looked at this map? You need to look at this.

[Adam Carolla]

So that they're proposing so very simply for. People don't understand how the gerrymandering works. It's basically, it's like California. So let's just say 40% Republican and 50 or 60% non Republican or Democrat. Right. So then I guess in a fair world, whether it was politics or anything, like, let's just say the California special election, you. You like. You like the. I don't want to call them the San Diego. You like the Bolts, right? Chargers. Yep. Chargers. You like the Chargers? I like the Rams. And so I think if there were, like, us, we had fans in the room, and we had six Rams fans and four Chargers fans, and then they're like, all right, we're going to go to the league office and make a case for wearing our home uniforms or whatever. Well, then all you would hope for is to have four of those people making your team's argument. And it would be. Six would be mine. Right. But the way gerrymandering works is there's four Chargers fans, there's six Rams fans, but when they get to the league office, there's going to be nine Rams fans and one Charger fan, and he's not going to stand a chance of getting the home uniforms thing to sway the Chargers way.

[Dawson]

You're right.

[Adam Carolla]

And that's basically the plan. It goes on everywhere. But that's what we're saying. We're saying, could we have some representation.

[Dawson]

And they want to give us less and less. Now what, what they are trying to do. Yeah. I don't think that what they have done is they basically drew Marin county up into Shasta county or Butte county where it's 90% Republican voters.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Dawson]

But now they're bleeding it out with in Marin. And that's a 300 mile drive.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. And they will be represented by Democrats, the Republicans.

[Dawson]

And it will, it will, it will essentially rig elections. So once again, Newsom is saying that the other side is doing something while he is doing it himself.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Dawson]

Like he says, he supports firefighters. I'm in support of firefighters. Well, then no, they don't get a raise. He vetoed it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Dawson]

You know, I don't we need more water? Of course we do. But I'm going to shut off all the water and let it run into the ocean because we need to save the smelt.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, the. And Dawson has sampled the delta smelt. I have. He, like Newsome, with his hard scrabble upbringing, had a smelt sandwich. Wouldn't you guys use smelt sandwiches?

[Dawson]

No, no, that. We just eat them almost like they were fish sticks.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really?

[Dawson]

Just the whole thing.

[Adam Carolla]

You grab the tail, deep fry or anything.

[Dawson]

They were deep fried. Yeah. My mom would put a little batter.

[Adam Carolla]

On, little batter on them.

[Dawson]

Little batter deep fried. One of the ways she did it was she'd season them and then put them in a baking pan and just broil them.

[Adam Carolla]

I know how you're doing on news, but I got a Mike August story.

[Dawson]

Please do. She told us they were french fries and that's how she got us to eat them.

[Adam Carolla]

They're not gutted or anything, Right. Just whatever's in them.

[Dawson]

I think they're clean. Well, you know, I have to ask my mom. I think she's too small, though. Yeah. Because we ate the tail and all.

[Adam Carolla]

So I was. Are you done with the news, by the way?

[Charlie Sheen]

Sure.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, you don't have to be. I mean, another story.

[Dawson]

I, I, I got through what I really wanted to get through, though. There is a funny thing about Chicago mayor spazzing out over the racist term illegal alien.

[Adam Carolla]

Let's do it. That guy's off the charts, just weird.

[Dawson]

He said he, he was asked about illegal aliens, which is the legal term for a person illegally. Johnson called the term racist and then also sarcastically suggested that we should call all black people slaves.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, it's always good. It always goes back there. They can't go 10 minutes without bringing up slavery or this.

[Dawson]

Well, listen, we are the only country who fought a war to end slavery.

[Adam Carolla]

There's something wrong with him. Although he's just dumb, he's not a sociopath. All right, keep going.

[Dawson]

You think he's. You think he's. No. I mean, he's definitely dumb.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. He's not as dumb as, like, Maxine Waters, but he's dumb. In a sense, yes. There's a kind of stupidity, which gives you a lot of bravado.

[Dawson]

And he's got it.

[Adam Carolla]

He's got that kind of stupidity, which is he doesn't care what he sounds.

[Charlie Sheen]

Like that I talk to, that I communicate with. Mostly black and brown, actually. Tell me that. You don't seem to know the difference between illegal aliens and real Chicago citizens. They feel that you are siding with the illegal aliens over them in their communities, and sadly. William, let's get to the question. Yeah, let's get to the question. The real question is simply this. I don't know how to make it any more direct. An illegal alien from Nicaragua grabbed a woman on the north side. That's a question. Bashed her head into the sidewalk, knocked her unconscious.

[Adam Carolla]

I hate it.

[Charlie Sheen]

If that had been your wife's status. All right, we're not gonna answer. Thanks. Would you want ICE to deport her?

[Adam Carolla]

Let's move on.

[Dawson]

Yeah, we're gonna move on.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, we're gonna move on. Yeah. It is like, illegal alien. Here's the thing. If you are right, I mean, like, here's what I'm saying. I've yelled this to Drew many times. Why are we constantly messing with the language? If we are correct in whatever, we're pushing forward? Do you know what I'm saying? So why do we go, like, for instance, in extreme, we call it donating your eggs, but it's selling your eggs. So why are we saying donating? By the way, you are selling your eggs, ladies. You're not donating your eggs. As a matter of fact, you are doing the opposite of donating your egg. You're selling your eggs, right? I mean, it's as insane as if I sit home and somebody said, oh, hey, you got a new truck? Yeah. Yeah. What'd you do with your last truck? I donated it. You donate? I saw it for sale for 17 grand. Yeah, I donated it. You donated it? Yeah. For $17,000? Yeah. Yeah. So what'd you do with the money? Oh, no, no. I kept the money. Yeah, well, you didn't give it to the March of Dimes. No, no, I donated my truck. Okay, you're lying. Now, I know you don't like the notion of selling your eggs. It doesn't sound good to you? It doesn't sound like a good idea. So you gave it a new name. So you gave it a new name.

[Dawson]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

Wildly inaccurate new name. Which is the opposite of the truth. But other than that, we're batting a thousand.

[Dawson]

There is a law against selling body parts. Like, you're not allowed to sell parts of your body.

[Adam Carolla]

So they haven't donated. All right? And then when it comes to getting rid of illegal aliens, that sounds like something most Americans would be for. But getting rid of our unhoused migrant worker neighbors are undocumented. Undocumented. Sounds like you're going to be documented or you forgot your documents. These are illegal aliens. But here's my bigger question. Whether it's that or whatever it is you're putting your spin on. Like, hey, we don't wanna provide the abortion pills because Hobby Lobby doesn't roll that way. That's not attacking women's reproductive rights. That is just not. Not giving them a free abortion pill. Right, so all of the euphemistic spin. Why do you need to put the euphemistic spin on everything if you're right? Well, the answer is you're not right. People. That. Yeah, okay, you're. You're gender assigned at birth. It's not. Your gender is not assigned at birth. You're a boy or a girl, you fucking retards. But why do you have to. Do you know. Oh, they're going to redo. They're going to. They're trying to deny gender affirming surgery. No, no, we're trying not to have retarded 13 year olds get their pecker cut off. But why do you guys have to twist all the verbiage all the time? And the answer is because you're wrong. Because the right doesn't mess around with the verbiage. They just say what it is. You guys twist everything all the time, which means you don't have a point or your point is wrong. All right, well, I have. Brandon, I think. Think we don't have illegal aliens. No, no. I don't know if that's from some sort of sci fi message that you would have had. Well, listen, the legal term for my people were slaves. You want me to use that term too? So look, let's just get the language right. We're talking about undocumented individuals that are human beings. The last thing that I'm going to.

[Charlie Sheen]

Do is accept the type of racist.

[Adam Carolla]

Nasty language to describe human beings. There we go.

[Dawson]

Shut everybody up by calling him racist.

[Adam Carolla]

He's a retarded person.

[Dawson]

It's not working anymore.

[Adam Carolla]

Agreed. All right, I'm gonna hear Mike Augustory. Oh, yeah, I'll do it real quick. All right. So I talked to Mike. Mike was out here last week on Friday, and then I spent the day with him on Saturday. And then he told me when he left on Friday, he goes, I couldn't make it back to Orange county, so I stopped and saw that Bruce Springsteen movie, which by all accounts is a snore fest. But I don't know. So far, Mike said it was boring. And I read a couple of reviews saying it was kind of boring. So I said, well, tell me about it. What did you say?

[Dawson]

1, 2, 3.

[Adam Carolla]

How boring was it? So he goes, hey, guys, it was all about him making that Born in the USA record. And I go, oh, now, he had seen the movie in the movie theater 14 hours earlier, okay. And I have not seen the movie, okay? So I go, born in the USA and he goes, yeah, yeah. And I go, it was about making Born in the USA and he goes, yeah, yeah. I go, I thought it was about Nebraska.

[Dawson]

The.

[Adam Carolla]

He goes, oh, you know, one of the songs on that album.

[Dawson]

Yeah, you probably think of Born to Run.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know.

[Dawson]

Okay.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know. So he goes. I go.

[Dawson]

Born to Run was his big breakthrough. Go on.

[Adam Carolla]

So I go, no, no, it wasn't on that album, Mike. And he goes, well, one of the. Born in the USA Nebraska. It was about one of the songs from the Born in the USA album.

[Dawson]

No.

[Adam Carolla]

I go, no, no, no. Nebraska was its own album. That was its album. Well, it was one of those songs. I go, no, no, Mike. Nebraska's album. They made the album before Born in the usa and it was, like, dark and moody and whatever. And then Born in the USA had a bunch of hits on it. And that was after. So it was different. And he's like, I don't know. You just sat in the theater. Nebraska was 1982, and born in the USA was 84. And then I started thinking I was taking crazy pills, so I had to go to Born in the USA And I was, like, looking at song cuts and stuff. Is Nebraska's song on board? I don't think. I mean, I'm not such a student of the Boss that I know everything. I just know. And I'd heard that the movie is a slice of his life while he was making the. The album Nebraska.

[Dawson]

Okay?

[Adam Carolla]

That's all I heard. But of course, Mike was in the theater 12 hours ago, so he might know better than me. Turns out somehow Bored in the USA came out of Mike's mouth.

[Dawson]

Doesn't that make you feel good, though? That Mike August is Mike August across the board is always. You can count on him. You can always count on him to be Mike.

[Adam Carolla]

Even with a 65 foot screen, it's not enough to penetrate. And then at some point he explained, and I like this, he got so bored that he pulled his phone out and some hipster came up from two rows back and walked around and told him to shut his phone off. I can picture that exchange with Mike being bored. He would tell him how much the movie sucks. Yeah, and yeah, that's great. All right, you can go to Flappers. That'll be Wednesday coming up. I'll be with you. Oh yeah, Dawson's gonna be there. We'll do it right here in Burbank. And then Boston, Mass, the Wilbur. It's a beautiful theater. That'll be on the 6th and that's November 6th and then the 7th. Buffalo Electric City. You can go to amcroll.com for all the live dates. Until next time, Amcroll for Charlie Sheen and Dawson saying mahalo.

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