Cheryl Hines Talks Defending Husband RFK Jr. + Palisades Firefighters Ordered to Leave Burn Site

Summary

The Adam Carolla Show – November 3, 2025: Guest: Cheryl Hines Talks Defending Husband RFK Jr. + Palisades Firefighters Ordered to Leave Burn Site

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Adam Carolla welcomes actress and comedian Cheryl Hines in studio. They discuss Cheryl’s new memoir, her career journey, and the challenges she’s faced in the public eye due to her husband, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. The conversation ranges from the unpredictability of Hollywood careers to the controversies surrounding RFK Jr.’s political activities and media treatment. The show’s signature irreverent humor and candid dialogue guide the exploration of deeper societal issues, cancel culture, and family loyalty. After the interview, Mike Dawson joins Adam for the news segment, including a critical look at the recent Palisades fire.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Cheryl’s Memoir and Her Comedy Roots

• Groundlings Improv & Early Hollywood Hustle (04:07–16:40)
  • Cheryl details her journey from humble beginnings in Florida to struggling in LA until her breakout role as Larry David’s wife on Curb Your Enthusiasm.
  • Quote (03:55): “At that moment in time, that was the best news I’d ever heard.” – Cheryl, on Larry David casting her.
  • Discusses the survival-of-the-fittest atmosphere of the Groundlings and how improv shaped her as an actress.
  • Adam relates with his own near-misses at the Groundlings and the tough-love teaching style he encountered.

2. The Curb Your Enthusiasm Casting Story

• The “Unknown Wife” Concept (05:57–08:16)
  • Cheryl explains how Curb purposely cast her as an unknown for realism.
  • Adam and Cheryl riff on the show’s unique format and longevity.
  • Cheryl shares how her improv background was essential for the audition, which was all improvised.

3. Navigating Hollywood & Personal Attacks Due to RFK Jr.

• Media Pressure and The View Appearance (02:46–03:23; 34:11–43:12; 47:03–54:43)

  • Cheryl reflects on being put in “the hot seat” by The View and handling aggressive, politicized questioning.
  • Quote (03:13): “They just have a lot of feelings they needed to express to someone. And I was in the hot seat.” – Cheryl
  • Adam and Cheryl critique the media’s tendency for ad hominem attacks and ascribing negative motives over policy disagreements.

• Hollywood Ostracism & Cancel Culture (32:37–43:12)

  • Adam posits: “You either want to be on the beach or out past the breakers, but you’re sort of in the middle, you just get pummeled by everything.” (32:17)
  • Cheryl shares how, despite being shunned by some, many in Hollywood still reach out quietly.
  • They discuss the performative nature of public disavowals (“Kennedys support Biden!”) versus the private complexity of families.

• Confronting Misinformation and The “Not a Doctor” Attack (43:39–54:43)

  • Explores repeated media lines about RFK Jr. not being a doctor and The View’s focus on credentials over track record.
  • Whoopi Goldberg’s oblique critique on The View is played and dissected.
  • Cheryl provides factual clarity: “90% of secretaries of HHS have not been doctors, but they’ve had a science background. Three. No, to be honest, one of Obama’s secretaries was an economist...” (54:26)
  • Adam: “If you just cared about kids’ health, shouldn’t you be happy about lead and arsenic being taken out of formula?” (46:47)

4. Life Changes, Family Dynamics & Staying Level-Headed

• Handling Political Fallout and Family Loyalty (27:18–31:05)

  • Adam laments public family dissent: “Is this really what you have to do? Disavow and disassociate?... Can’t other people have opinions?” (28:05)
  • Cheryl describes her disappointment with some Kennedy relatives publicly disavowing her husband: “It really made me angry.” (30:07)
  • They both criticize the constant need for celebrities and family to make proclamations after every move.

• Marriage, Divorce, and Amicable Partnerships (65:47–73:12)

  • Cheryl reveals her amicable working relationship with ex-husband Paul Young: “There’s no one in the world I’d rather have as my ex-wife than you.” (69:44)
  • She describes their divorce as an intentional, non-destructive process, contrasting it with most Hollywood divorces.
  • Her current husband, RFK Jr., and ex-husband are friends and even co-parent together.

5. Skeptical Media, Public Grievance, and Societal Trends

• On Media’s Disingenuous Outrage (43:32–46:47; 61:19–64:41)

  • Adam and Cheryl posit that outrage and grievance are sometimes theater, not genuine concern.
  • Quote (61:36): “Why do people get so angry at somebody asking that question?”– Cheryl, on health/environment topics
  • Adam: “What they cannot admit is they just hate Trump…” (59:40)
  • Discussion of the “grievance class”: people more invested in being perpetually outraged than solutions.

• Praise for Unwavering Honesty (75:47)

  • Adam: “Here’s what I like about Bobby [RFK Jr.]… he didn’t go ‘Oh, sorry’… he said, ‘I’m just saying what this is. You can interpret it any way you want.’” (75:47)

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The News Segment (Mike Dawson, Adam Carolla)

1. Palisades Firefighters Scandal (79:08–87:56)

• The LA Times exposes that firefighters allegedly left the site of the Lockman blaze too early, contributing to the Palisades fire.
• Adam is surprised the LA Times is finally holding local government to account.
• Critique of the lack of transparency and direct blame on city leaders for broader incompetence in handling basic civic duties.

2. Kim Kardashian’s Moon Landing Denial (88:21–94:00)

• Kim claims the moon landing was faked, prompting Adam’s sarcastic response.
• Adam humorously deconstructs conspiracy logic: “If you were faking it, wouldn’t you have fixed Neil Armstrong’s famous flubbed line?” (91:57)
• Commentary on how celebrity opinions can sway public perception, even when unfounded.

3. Nicki Minaj Praises Trump on Christian Persecution (95:43–102:01)

• Nicki Minaj thanks Trump for condemning Christian persecution in Nigeria.
• Adam and Dawson use this to revisit the “grievance class” theory – that for many, outrage persistence is more important than solutions.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Cheryl Hines on Criticism:
  “People have made up their mind and it’s not my place to try to move them off of who they think Bobby is, what they think his intentions are.” (45:22)

• Adam on Ad Hominem Culture:
  “It shows that people making the accusations don’t really have a good intellectual capacity… you would say ‘I think he’s misguided,’ but not just, ‘because he’s evil.’” (23:46)

• Cheryl on Family Loyalty:
  “Why are you speaking for the whole family? Are we all on board?” (30:06)

• Adam on The View:
  “She (Whoopi) struggles mightily, she has a mighty struggle with verbiage. She has a feeling but… nothing. Cheryl.” (52:13)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:55 – Introduction; Cheryl Hines and memoir announcement
• 04:07 – Cheryl’s early career & Groundlings days
• 05:57 – Curb Your Enthusiasm audition and legacy
• 16:40 – Hollywood’s comedy survival & improv culture
• 27:18 – Navigating friendships & public family dissent
• 32:37 – Hollywood ostracism & cancel culture
• 47:03 – The View confrontation; “Not a Doctor” attack
• 61:19 – Motives misunderstood: public outrage & partisanship
• 65:47 – Cheryl’s amicable divorce and co-parenting
• 79:08 – Palisades Fire firefighter scandal
• 88:21 – Kim Kardashian moon-landing denial
• 95:43 – Nicki Minaj, Trump, and the "grievance class"

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Tone & Style

The tone remains conversational, witty, and irreverent, with Adam’s characteristic directness and Cheryl’s candid, self-aware insights. Banter punctuates heavier subjects; sarcasm and skepticism run throughout.

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Closing Notes

• Cheryl’s memoir Unscripted releases on November 11th and is available for pre-order.
• She is producing a new comedy film with her ex-husband and continues to work actively in both DC and LA.

For listeners seeking an authentic, behind-the-scenes look at celebrity, politics, family, and cancel culture—with plenty of laughs and sharp commentary—this episode hits all the marks.

Transcript

[Adam Carolla]

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[Mike Dawson]

From Corolla One Studios in Glendale, California. This is the Adam Carolla Show. Adam's guest today, Cheryl Hines. Plus the news with me, Mike Dawson. And now, as the biggest baseball fan in the world, he'd like to say congratulations, Dodgers. Adam Carolla.

[Adam Carolla]

Cheryl Hines in studio, actress, comedian. Got a book out, Cheryl Hines Unscripted. It is available. That is coming up November 11th. It's a memoir and it's high time. Good to see you, my friend.

[Cheryl Hines]

Good to see you. Good to see you.

[Adam Carolla]

Been thinking about you a lot. Cause, well, cause you're on the View and you know, you're sort of thrown into the mix. I just got a text from Harmeet Dhillon like two days ago. Said like, I'm in Washington, the swamp, it's miserable. But I listen to the podcast so it's getting me through my morning walk. So. Thanks, Harmeet. So you, you know, you're an actress, you're in Hollywood, it's great. And then next thing you know, you're on the View and they're all sniping at you.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And it's kind of nuts, right?

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, it's pretty nice.

[Adam Carolla]

I mean, not something you'd anticipated. No.

[Cheryl Hines]

I could not have written this story.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. And it's not really that you did anything. I don't even think your husband has done anything. It's just somehow they picked a side and they went nuts. And you're part of the problem. And I don't even know what they're talking about. Really?

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. They just have a lot of feelings that they needed to express to someone. And I was in the hot seat.

[Adam Carolla]

I know. And you held your own and you did very well. And I don't know what they're talking about, but we'll get into them later. You. It's a memoir. So let's talk about the journey for you. Where do you start off?

[Cheryl Hines]

Well, I. You know, in the book, I start with the phone call from Larry David when he told me that Curb was gonna be a series and he wanted me to play his wife. And I said, wow, that is the best news I've ever heard.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Cheryl Hines]

And he said, don't say that. I said, why? He goes, that can't be true. I said, it is true.

[Adam Carolla]

It is. It's a great show.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. And at that moment in time, that was the best news I'd ever heard.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Cheryl Hines]

And then I go back to talk about from where I came. You know, I grew up in Florida and we. I come from humble means, and just going from Florida to la, didn't know anybody. And what that journey looked like, landing in LA and then nine years later, overnight getting Curb youb Enthusiasm.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, is it nine years later? I forget. Curb youb Enthusiasm has been around for 20 years.

[Cheryl Hines]

It is crazy. 24 years.

[Adam Carolla]

24.

[Cheryl Hines]

It took us 24 years to do.

[Adam Carolla]

Like nine seasons or so.

[Cheryl Hines]

12.

[Adam Carolla]

12 seasons. It's incredible because the span of time that show is run over. I can't. It's so unconventional. Yes, it's so unconventional. Cause we grew up and it's like MASH was a huge part of our childhood. And that was six seasons or seven seasons, you know, but they're all linear. It was all in the same one after the other, you know, 1973 to 1980.

[Cheryl Hines]

Done.

[Adam Carolla]

You not over 24 years. Yeah. So we're used to Mary Tyler Moore, whatever we grew up with being just sort of linear and.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right. And it runs for a while and then there's the finale and it's like, oh, I'm sad that show is over.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. But this spread out is nuts. So it starts in 01 02.

[Cheryl Hines]

I think. We shot the one hour special in 1999.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow. But you worked a lot before that, right?

[Cheryl Hines]

Not really.

[Adam Carolla]

No.

[Cheryl Hines]

You were around her and there.

[Adam Carolla]

You didn't show up on that show. And people go, who's that?

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, I did.

[Adam Carolla]

You did. I felt like I knew you.

[Cheryl Hines]

Well, that was one of the things that they were Looking for an unknown actress to play Larry's wife. So it was very intentional because Larry had Richard Lewis on and Jerry Seinfeld, and so you have these people who are, you know, these people. So then when I showed up as his wife, people just thought, oh, that must be his wife. I know that's Richard Lewis. So it was. Yeah, it was intentional.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, he wanted people to think you were his wife in real life. Yeah. Because everything else was sort of in real life.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, it was like a mockumentary.

[Adam Carolla]

So was he in love with you in real life? Yeah.

[Cheryl Hines]

No.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, if that's what you're going for, I mean. Well, what's outlandish about that? It's a possibility, right?

[Cheryl Hines]

I don't know. It's a TV show.

[Adam Carolla]

I know, but if you are doing a TV show where it's sort of art imitating life and you have your friends in it and you're sort of fudging the lines of reality because these guys are your friends or is your. Whatever.

[Cheryl Hines]

But I didn't know Larry at all. You didn't know him at all Before I met him for the audition.

[Adam Carolla]

And how'd the audition work?

[Cheryl Hines]

You know, it was all improvised. They said I was going in to audition for Larry's wife, and I thought, oh, I think I'm too young for this. But then, you know, I was told not to touch him, and if it seemed fake, the audition would be over, you know, and they opened the door, and then Larry said. And then I really liked Larry the moment I met him. You know, I really connected with him, and we had fun. And he. And he said, let's just imagine we have kids and I don't eat chicken anymore. That's all you need to know. I said, okay. And then we started talking, and he asked me what was for dinner. And I said, potatoes and green beans and chicken cacciatore. And he said, I just told you, I'm not eating chicken.

[Adam Carolla]

Right?

[Cheryl Hines]

He said, yeah, you don't have to eat the chicken.

[Assistant/Researcher]

Right.

[Cheryl Hines]

And that was basically. The audition was going back and forth about that.

[Adam Carolla]

But you had your sort of made your bones with the Groundlings.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

Right, yes. And so you have that improvised ground base. Yes, yes.

[Cheryl Hines]

I would not have been able to. It would be a completely different audition if I didn't have a improv background. I think it would be very intimidating.

[Adam Carolla]

What years were you at the Groundlings?

[Cheryl Hines]

Oh, boy. I think it is so weird to talk about 19 something, you know?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah.

[Cheryl Hines]

I think probably 1995 to 2000.

[Adam Carolla]

So like, when did you take. So did you take basic in 1995?

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So I did the Groundlings and probably did basic in probably, like, 85, as I think about now. Started pretty young.

[Cheryl Hines]

85. How old were you? You were young.

[Adam Carolla]

I had, like, Cynthia Sagetti as my teacher.

[Cheryl Hines]

She was a great teacher, right? Tough. Tough, Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I mean, I didn't really care because I had football coaches and construction foremen, you know, before that. So it's like, you could yell at me. You could yell at me all you wanted. I didn't really care. Cynthia did a lot of that. It didn't bother me. I was already getting my sort of ass kicked by life. So one more ass kicking in some air conditioning really helped. It didn't hurt me. And I was kind of used to it, and I mostly internalized. I was like, well, you had it coming. Like, you did whatever you did. Well, you fucked up however you fucked up. So you get yelled at.

[Cheryl Hines]

Improv. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

No. Or anywhere. I mean, on a construction site or on a football field, you fucked up. You get yelled at. Like, I got it. The only time it. The only time she got me is when my girlfriend Stephanie dumped me. And I was, like, 21. And I was really 22. I don't know. I was in a bad way. I was in a real bad way. And as you can only be when you're, like, young and just heartbroken, you got nothing going on. You know, you're poor and everything. And during the break of the class, I tried to, like, call my girlfriend on, like, you know, payphone on Melrose. And I don't know if she hung up or just yelled something like, get it through your head, we're over, or something. Whatever it was, hung up the phone. I went back in, and I said to Cynthia during the break, I said, I can't get my head. I cannot get my head together. I just have to leave. I'm just leaving. And I can't. My girlfriend, I'm a mess. I'm just gonna go home and just start drinking or something. But I gotta leave. I'm leaving now. Cause I can't get. I can't handle it. And everyone showed up. Someone came back from break, and then she yelled, oh, everybody, Mr. Carolla's gotta leave now. Cause he's having problem with his girlfriend, everybody. And I was like, oh, really?

[Cheryl Hines]

Wow.

[Adam Carolla]

Really?

[Cheryl Hines]

That's brutal.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. But I figured. Well, I told her, and she's a ball buster.

[Cheryl Hines]

Wow.

[Adam Carolla]

So what else?

[Cheryl Hines]

That's pretty brutal.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I got over it.

[Cheryl Hines]

But comedy's tough.

[Adam Carolla]

It was. I mean, that was back. So you went through intermediate. Sorry, beginner, intermediate, writer's lab, advanced Sunday Company. And then into an actual groundling position. That's defying the odds.

[Cheryl Hines]

That is the hard to do. It is almost impossible.

[Adam Carolla]

It is.

[Cheryl Hines]

But clearly possible. Cause I did it. But yeah, the odds are definitely against you.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah, yeah. That's Navy SEALS type attrition there. Like hundred men start off and three wear the SEAL badge, you know.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. Because after every level, as you know, you get cut. They cut people from the program.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Cheryl Hines]

Or you get moved up. But at every level, even after your first improv class, they might say, this isn't for you.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. They will tell you, keep your money and believe. Yeah.

[Cheryl Hines]

Wait, so how far did you get?

[Adam Carolla]

I got to advanced.

[Cheryl Hines]

Okay.

[Adam Carolla]

I was pretty good. I had a problem with advance, which was in advance. You do two shows and they're supposed to be weighted equally. But you do one show and then you do another show like six weeks later, and then they vote the next day. So I had a really good first show. And then my second show, they said now you gotta do all against type stuff. Like stuff that's not anything like your first show. Which I did good on. Cause I did stuff I was good at. And then I went and did the second show, which is a bunch of stuff I wasn't good at because they were like, we wanna see what you can do. And I sorta sucked. And then they voted the next morning. And it was bad timing. Cause they didn't really factor in the first show where I was good. Cause that was like six weeks earlier.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So I got voted out and then I didn't make it into the Sunday Company. And then I was just kind of hang dogging it around town.

[Cheryl Hines]

That's hard to go through it that far.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, my God.

[Cheryl Hines]

And you know you really want it and you worked really hard.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I wanted it and I worked hard. And I was out. And they're like, we can take advanced again in a year or something. Cause there's a long waiting list back then. And I was like, in a year. And I was just sitting around my apartment, I was working as a carpenter. And then my girlfriend found something.

[Cheryl Hines]

It's not the same one.

[Adam Carolla]

No, A new one.

[Cheryl Hines]

A better one.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, a better one. Found something in the back of the dramalog that said Acme Theater was forming.

[Cheryl Hines]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And I went down there and just formed up with them. There's just a bunch of Groundling rejects mainly.

[Cheryl Hines]

But that's good. I mean, they are trained and know what they're doing. And there's only so much space at the Groundlings, you know, in. Even to get into the Sunday show and to get into the main show. So there are a lot. So many. I mean, so many people that get cut that, of course, go on and do amazing things and are very successful. You know, when I did the advanced, I think I had to repeat advanced. I think so.

[Adam Carolla]

And who were your instructors?

[Cheryl Hines]

One was Mindy Sterling.

[Adam Carolla]

Mindy Sterling, sure.

[Cheryl Hines]

Who I really love. And she was great. Kathy Shambley was also great.

[Adam Carolla]

Kathy Shambley was one of my instructors.

[Cheryl Hines]

And then Tony Sepulveda, you know, was my director in the Sunday show.

[Adam Carolla]

I remember him being there, but he was never my teacher.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, but for one of those.

[Adam Carolla]

Karen Mariama.

[Cheryl Hines]

Karen, I never had. I don't think I ever had her as a teacher, but definitely for improv stuff. But, yeah, when they, you know, you would write these sketches, and then at rehearsal, everybody would watch the sketches, and then the teacher director would then, you know, print out, this is gonna be the program. I remember looking at the program and I said, I do not have one writing credit in this for the Sunday.

[Adam Carolla]

Show or for the advance show.

[Cheryl Hines]

For the advance show. Right, the ones where they're voting on you. And she said, oh, that's okay. Well, let me take a look. I was like, yeah, if you could take a look, that would be great. So, yeah, you have to. You know, it's brutal. You have to fight. Fight for your stuff.

[Adam Carolla]

And if that's not your wiring, it's kind of tough, too, because that's not really my wiring.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, it's not really mine either.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, but you made it into the company.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And so you come out here from Florida.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

The idea is to act, perform.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yes, yes.

[Adam Carolla]

Always with an eye toward comedy.

[Cheryl Hines]

Well, I always liked comedy. I love stand up. I love to watch stand up. I don't love to do it, but in all of my acting classes, I just felt like, whoa, everybody's very dramatic. You know, it's really. They. They're always trying to get you to cry. And then when I came to LA and I went to my first Groundlings, you know, I went to watch a show there, and I. And I said, oh, yeah, this is where I need to be. Everybody is funny and so silly.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Cheryl Hines]

But also really good actors.

[Adam Carolla]

I agree. That's the way I felt. I was like, oh, man, this is home.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I mean, I want to be around these people, is what I thought.

[Cheryl Hines]

So I Felt like I found my place.

[Adam Carolla]

I have a sidebar question about Robert, which is I interviewed him several years ago and then people were like, how was he? And I was like, he is one of the most serious people I've ever met. And I just said he's a very serious guy. A little bit intimidating in that he's very smart, he has a lot of knowledge, but, but that he was so serious and I don't know, I'm kind of used to fucking around a little bit. And he seemed like, well, don't just keep it on the straight and narrow with him because he's a real serious guy. And then he came back some years later, not that long, not that long, a couple years later, to be interviewed again. And I was like, okay, he's a real serious guy. And then he came back and he was sort of jovial and had a sense of humor about himself and didn't come across that way at all. And then went and did the fundraiser, the benefit or the laughs comedy show with him and you and everyone else there. And then later on went to birthday party and I found him to be completely different. And then I thought, was I just way off on that first encounter or was he a more serious guy?

[Cheryl Hines]

No, he has that side.

[Adam Carolla]

And did he like not let his guard down or something? What was I missing? How did I misread it?

[Cheryl Hines]

Well, it's, it's funny because when I, I love watching him in interviews because he is stone faced and I think he's in, he's in a mode of, you know, facts, figures, studies. He is like clicking and people say to me all the time, they're like, wow, he is the most serious person. And I, I'm always like, he's actually not. But I think he has to, he probably has to maybe trust you a little bit to know that. I mean, some people in interviews, they're just trying to get him.

[Adam Carolla]

Sure, yeah.

[Cheryl Hines]

So I guess it just depends on probably by the time that you saw him again, he knew you and knew you weren't just trying to trap him.

[Adam Carolla]

I guess so. Because every interview he goes into, everyone's always looking for some sort of weird gotcha moment. I don't, I'm kind of disappointed that that's how we turned out to be, because I see him as sort of the gestalt of him, which is he wants people to be healthy and he wants to follow the science and he wants to clean up the rivers and clean up the groundwater and clean up the soil. And when people go into this Ad hominem attack about he's against this or he wants that, or he's cruel. It rings untrue to me. But it's also like, look, he can be against something that may have some benefit, but it's only because he cares and he's trying to figure this thing out. And, you know, when you look at rates of autism from 1965 to now, or something, something is going on. So somebody's asking questions and he's basically on the good side for me. And the good side are gonna be well intentioned people who are trying to make a positive difference, who occasionally have a misstep or incorrect, but they're not part of the problem by any stretch of the imagination. And it bothers me that we have to attack these people in this new America when they're like literally asking questions, right? Or Bill Maher saying, hey, during COVID maybe now would be a good time to talk about people losing a couple pounds and getting into better shape and being a little healthier and eating. And then we're going after Bill. It's like he's just saying what your doctor would say and what your grandfather said 50 years ago. Why is he the problem?

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, that is what's hard about Bobby, because, I mean, his track record is. It speaks for itself. He's always been suing corporations because of environmental toxins, because an oil company is letting oil into the water or whatever that looks like. And it just doesn't make sense that for decades and decades that's what he's been doing. And then all of a sudden he wants to kill everybody. Like, how did you go from there to there? That doesn't track at all.

[Adam Carolla]

There's a strange enzyme that we're missing now, which is a kind of motivational thing where people don't understand what people are up to. Like, you know, well, they don't want.

[Cheryl Hines]

To either, I guess.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Cheryl Hines]

It feels like camps, right? It's like one side against the other. And instead of, you know, it's just everybody pointing a finger saying, you're wrong instead of saying, okay, let's talk about this.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I get the camp part. But the camp also has like, a motivation that's ascribed to it, you know, and like, sometimes you'll talk to people and you go, well, why do you think he doesn't want people to get 2,600 vaccinations? Cause he's cruel. It's like, okay, it's not because he's cruel. It's not because he hates kids. There's A motivation. Now, what do you think that motivation is? And we're so far off. It's so weird. And it's sort of. It shows that the people that are making the accusations don't really have a good intellectual capacity. Because you wouldn't just say because it's a bad. Because the person is bad.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right?

[Adam Carolla]

You would say, I think he's misguided, or maybe the data's wrong or he's not interpreting the data or something. But not just cause he's Cruella De Vil's stepbrother and is evil. And by the way, you see life through like a comic book lens, if that's what you do. He's trying to do. And maybe you disagree with it, but it's not because he's cruel.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right? That is what's really hard. You know, it's hard when people are, you know, coming at him. And he clearly has shown through the years that he is not motivated by money. He's not gonna be bought off by big Pharma, whatever it is, right? Big Tobacco, whatever. That looks like Monsanto, you know, because he sued Monsanto. So it's not because he's trying to make money, which some might say pharmaceutical companies are driven by money. They're driven by other things too. But, you know, if there's a drug on the market that is approved, and then you find out, oh, it's really causing cancer, right? Something's happening. And maybe a company will look the other way because they're making so much money until the lawsuits come at them too. It's too much for them to financially bear, so they pull it. So, yeah, there's money involved there, but what Bobby's doing, there's not money involved.

[Adam Carolla]

I agree. And you can sort of follow the money. And if the person's like, sometimes it's funny, every once in a while I'll get a tweet or something going, I'm going on Fox to get paid to echo talking points. It's like, that's not how you make money in Hollywood by going on Fox. Who doesn't pay you. You make less money in Hollywood by going on Fox. So this thing, like, here's what I'm saying, at least, you know, my opinions are my opinions. Cause I'm not getting paid. I'm removing money from my account by saying, whatever I said about COVID it wasn't to get paid. I made less money saying the things I said. Now you can still think I'm a dickhead, and you can still think I'm Incorrect. But my motivation was not to get.

[Cheryl Hines]

Paid or to kill people or harm people.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I did not say the things I was saying because I was trying to get money from anybody.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

I said it because I believed it to be true.

[Cheryl Hines]

That's how you're receiving information and you're saying, wow, is anybody else seeing this? Because this is. This is what's happening.

[Adam Carolla]

You are not trying, you know, Bobby's not winning popularity contests, and you are not the toast of Hollywood because you then get thrown under the bus with him and attacked by the ladies of the View. But the bigger. The question I had, I wanted to ask you is the aforementioned Larry David. Now, Larry is very progressive guy and takes a strong stand on this stuff. Stories, famously, of him confronting Alan Dershowitz.

[Cheryl Hines]

At the grocery store.

[Adam Carolla]

At the grocery store and stuff like that. So he's outspoken.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And Alan Dershowitz is getting attacked because he's associated with Trump. And Bobby's getting attacked because he's associated with Trump. And you're getting attacked because you're associated with someone who's associated with Trump. So it would stand to reason that Larry might have some thoughts about you and your association.

[Cheryl Hines]

He probably does. I mean, that would be a question for Larry. We haven't talked about it. I mean, recently.

[Adam Carolla]

Are you cordial with Larry?

[Cheryl Hines]

Of course. I mean, I love Larry.

[Adam Carolla]

No. So I say, is he cordial with you?

[Cheryl Hines]

You know, I haven't seen Larry. I haven't seen him. I haven't talked to him since probably since the election.

[Adam Carolla]

And I know that there's a part that sort of, I don't know, disappoints me. Like when Bobby's family comes out against him, it's like, plunk, please. Jesus Christ. Ladies and certain gentlemen, like, really? Is this really what you have to do? You have to disavow and disassociate and all? It's like, can't other people have opinions? They're not allowed to have thoughts or opinions that go against yours. And what's your batting average on your opinions, by the way? How often have you been Right. In the last decade? Should we Covid or Hunter Biden's laptop or Biden's in tip top shape? Let's look at some of your opinions and see if we might poke some holes in some of those. But he doesn't judge you because of your opinions. Why do you have to judge him because of his opinions? And by the way, his opinions is a earnest attempt to help.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yes. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Whether you agree or disagree with where he ends up. It's hard to disagree with the motivation, which is trying to help.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right. Well, I do talk about that in my book Unscripted. Thank you. But I do talk about his family because I think I also was beyond disappointed when a handful. I mean, and he does have a very big family. And I mean, a lot of them are really great, supportive people. And then so a handful come out and, you know, step up to the microphone and say, I'm here to tell you the Kennedys support President Biden. And it's like, why are you speaking for the whole family? There are five of you, four of you, however many. But I didn't get a group email saying this person's gonna speak for the Kennedy family. Are we all on board?

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Cheryl Hines]

So it seemed like a self appointed. I'm the voice of the family. And I thought that was. Yeah, it really made me angry.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, also, who are you? Like, why does everyone have to make a proclamation? You know what I mean? You do one thing, he does another, she does something else. Do you have to run to a camera and announce everything all the time? In a weird way, I feel that way about famous people who die. Like, you don't know them, you didn't work with them, you weren't friends, you don't. You don't need to make a proclamation. I mean, I'm not angry at you for saying whatever it is you're saying, but you don't. Things can happen without you rushing to finding a camera and making a proclamation.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And that's. You can have your own discussions and your own private matters and your own family members.

[Cheryl Hines]

You can talk about, oh, that person sucks, or whatever, or that, you know, but yes, especially. Well, that feels especially true here, I.

[Adam Carolla]

Think, in Los Angeles or Hollywood. Yeah. So then that. Then the question is, here's the analogy that I painted. But you tell me, I said where you don't. Where you get pummeled as sort of in the middle, where you're trying to kind of keep everyone happy sort of thing. Which is to say, I would say you either want to be on the beach or you want to be out past the breakers, but you're sort of in the middle. You just get pummeled by everything, you know, And I kind of realized that in Hollywood, there's no kind of making good with Hollywood going, listen, my husband's this, and Trump appointed him that, but I'm not that. I'm. And we can. They're shunners. They just shun. They just shun. And you're trying to, like, get reentry into a club that is never gonna accept you again. And they're shunning, so they're not gonna make nice and you're not coming back. In a weird way, you're better off just going to mar a lago and having a drink and going, well, fuck these idiots. I'll just go. I'll just go over here and hang out with these guys.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Which seems. Which sounded sort of unthinkable a number of years ago, but the more you think about it, you go, well, look, if they don't want me, well, right. What am I just sort of sitting in the middle for? Why don't I go play a round of golf with Trump?

[Cheryl Hines]

Right? But here's the thing, too, you know, like, the idea of being shunned. It's like there are a few. It's sort of like a few of Bobby's siblings who stepped up to the microphone and said, that's right. Here's how the Kennedys feel. Well, I feel like that is true in this business. I feel like there are a few people that, you know, have that feeling or you're never going to work in this town again.

[Mike Dawson]

And.

[Cheryl Hines]

And the truth is, I am working. And I have a lot of people that reach out to me that I have worked with before, and people that I didn't even know that are in the business that want to work with me, but they're not the loud ones. You know, they're not. They're not political. They're not concerned about it. But there are people that are very concerned about politics and how they will look. How it will look to people if they are friends with me, which is.

[Adam Carolla]

Sad, because they shouldn't feel that way about Bobby, but they should not feel that way at all about you because you're basically along for the ride.

[Cheryl Hines]

They can't help it. I don't know. There's something about it that they seemingly. They can't help.

[Adam Carolla]

It's a kind of an immaturity mixed in with a little bit of cruelty, which I don't respect at all. I did respect Bobby when he was on, I think, CNN or something, and they were trying to frame him for some sort of Nazi reference about satellites and whatever. And the anchor at CNN went, your own wife says she doesn't agree with her something, something. And he just went, well, she's wrong. Which I was like, finally, somebody's fucking stepped up.

[Cheryl Hines]

Cause he's like, that's not. I wasn't saying that about that. And I Said, well, what exactly were you saying? And he said, I was talking about 5G. I was talking about surveillance. So what you're mad at me for? I didn't even say. And it's like, okay, a lot of people are mad at you for the thing that you weren' saying.

[Adam Carolla]

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[Adam Carolla]

I am. Maybe I'm old fashioned here, but I believe you're allowed to. You don't have to apologize for shit other people are getting wrong. People will be like, just apologize. And it's like, no, because you're editing the tape and you're turning this into something that wasn't. And when you look at the full tape. He's making a good point. That, and also you're allowed to make Holocaust or Hitler or Nazi Germany references, as long as you're not endorsing their behavior or Anne Frank or whatever he was. But he was basically saying the eye in the sky is at the point where no one's gonna be free anymore. And was likening it to. Even in Nazi Germany, you had a chance to escape and get to a neighboring country where you could survive with a new identity or something. You're not gonna have that in today's technology, in today's world. And of course, CNN pounced.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Which is. I don't know if they're into accuracy or what they're doing over there. It seems detrimental to be. It seems weird to be a news outlet and to constantly fool yourself into being wrong about stuff. Constantly would seem to fly in the face of being a news outlet. And if you have to doctor footage and whack it together. So it follows your theme that, again, kind of flies in the face of being a news outlet, but that's what they do.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. I mean, there are a lot of politicians that are quick to not only make a comparison. Right. But to call somebody Hitler.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Cheryl Hines]

Outright say this person, which is, you know, you're clearly just trying to get people angry, excited, or to turn on each other or it's not helpful. It's not. But. But they do it all the time. But I'm never going to like it. I mean, I don't like it. And yeah, there are times when. Yeah. Would I get mad at Bobby? Because, like, in that case. And I just feel like, why would you even say something that could be misconstrued? He's like, what, am I supposed to never say anything? So, yeah, sometimes we have these arguments also.

[Adam Carolla]

I feel like that. I don't know, that was three years ago or something. And you were trying to kind of straddle some sort of posture, some sort of Hollywood versus a Trumpian Washington. Like, I think it just felt to me like you were trying to go, look, I gotta work with these people. I live in this town. Could you please reel it in? I'm trying to walk a very fine line here.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, that's accurate. Because I was working, right. And I was, you know, I was doing something that I had worked my entire life to do. So all of the decisions I had made in my life had led to, you know, what I was doing. I was acting, which is also, you know, to. To get an acting job is against all odds. Right. So, yeah, I think there I was, I was like, well, this. It's too loud. Coming at me. It's too much. So. And it was very, you know, it's a life change, because it wasn't. There was not a gradual. I'm gonna run for mayor, you know, 20 years ago, and then you move up to governor. Then you move. There was no. It just seemed like a big, huge life shift all at once. So. Yeah, I was trying to navigate. Yeah, I mean, I still am trying to navigate.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah, I know, but I. I think you've probably made your piece a little more. Because I think there's a realization, and maybe this is just becoming cathartic. But there's a part where you go, look, if people just understood who Bobby is or who I am. Or there's a part at the beginning where you go, no, no, I'm not racist, I'm not a racist, I'm not a Nazi. You try to. Like there's a part where you try to talk people out of, no, no, I'm a dad. I love my kids. You know, I love this. And then at some point you go, oh, these assholes are batshit crazy, so fuck em. And then you just go, fuck it. I'll just go do what I wanna do.

[Cheryl Hines]

Well, yeah, I mean, that was.

[Adam Carolla]

Cause you can't really satisfy them. But you don't know that at the beginning. You think, oh, they're reasonable. They love this country, they love their family. I love this country. I love my family. We love the Dodgers. Couldn't we just figure this out? Yeah, let's talk the menu for them. But you thought it was.

[Cheryl Hines]

I did think it was.

[Adam Carolla]

And they present it that way.

[Cheryl Hines]

They do. That's the other thing. It's like, we love everybody. I see you for who you are.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Cheryl Hines]

You know, don't change. I love people the way they are. But one of the things that, you know, I think about, because when Bobby was going through his Senate hearing to become secretary of hhs, I mean, I remember, you know, those senators coming at him saying, you're not a doctor.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Cheryl Hines]

Why should we listen to you? You're not a doctor. And I thought, oh, well, yeah, he's not a doctor. And then the more I, you know, learned that only three have been doctors, that almost all of them are not doctors.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Cheryl Hines]

And that there have been zero Democratic secretaries that were doctors. Zero. So all of the Democratic presidents never appointed a doctor.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Cheryl Hines]

But that's what they were yelling at Bobby about. So at the beginning, I'm seeing senators yelling at him for not being a doctor. And then, you know, when I learned more, I Learned, of course he doesn't need to be a medical doctor. That's not his job. And then. But that. But it's just like cnn, right? Doesn't matter. If they keep saying he's not a doctor, then it sounds like, oh, my God, he's not a doctor. How did this happen? It's like, that's how it's always been. But that's the narrative that you want people to be mad about him for not being a doctor, which is strange. It's. But that's what you. But that's what. That's the message that you're getting out. So you're right. Like the people that are mad about Bobby being secretary of HHS because he's not a doctor, you would think you could say, oh, it's actually, that's the usual. It's usually not a doctor. And they would say, oh, I didn't realize that. I didn't really know anything about secretaries of HHS until this year.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, they didn't know anything about Ivermectin or they didn't know anything about anything until they all became experts.

[Cheryl Hines]

But nobody says that. Nobody listens and says, oh, oh, so then what? Exactly. I thought we were supposed to be getting medical advice from the secretary, even though Bobby said, I'm not a doctor. I have a lot of doctors in HHS that you should listen to. And here's one. And they step up to the podium and they say, here's what we found. This is what we recommend. But there's no, you know. Yeah. So I think it was a gradual lesson for me to learn, like, oh, I don't need to try to convince people they. People have made up their mind and it's not my place to try to move them off of who they think Bobby is, what they think his intentions are. But it's nice that, you know, now he has a. Now he has a track record at HHS for getting really amazing things done. You know, taking out the petroleum based food dye and taking the lead and arsenic out of baby formula, which you think that, that you think that people in this town would be happy about. But.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, here's what I suspect. And actually, Dawson, you can probably find that View clip where Whoopi yells, he's not a doctor. I think when you were on the View a few weeks ago, because they brought the doctor thing, reminded me of her yelling that Dr. Fauci's a doctor. Yeah. Who fucked up Covid and got everything wrong. Or he's probably lying. I don't know. Either way, he's a doctor, but he lied and got everything wrong about COVID But, okay, he's a doctor now. So here's the thing. I went to junior college and got put on academic probation. I had a much higher batting average vis a vis Covid than Fauci did in terms of my prognostications and what I said would work and what wouldn't work and what we should do and what not do. So nobody's further away from a doctor than me. But, yeah, you probably should have listened to me during COVID But he's a doctor, but he got everything wrong, but he was probably lying, to be fair to him. Now, the ladies from the View trotted that one out there. But here's my thought, and I'm curious what your thought is. They don't really believe what they're saying, so they don't really care that much. And that's why they just say whatever, and then they move on to whatever. And then you go, you were so concerned about this, and now he fixed this. How come you're not thanking us? Okay, great. The answer is because we didn't give a shit in the first place. We're just talking. We're complaining about everything. But we care. You know, you care about the kids, you care about the environment. You care about. And he did this for the kids, and he did this for the environment. So where's our fruit basket? And they're like, oh, yeah, we don't even know what we said. We don't even mean any of that. They just talk and talk and talk. So it's not like, oh, you'll never break through to them, or they'll never fully understand. They don't care in the first place, which is the weird part. So you have to have the understanding that they don't know and they don't care. And so they'll talk about anything with wild passion, by the way, and then two days later, be right on to the next thing that they don't care about. But here's you with Whoopi chiming in as the doctor.

[Whoopi Goldberg]

Go ahead now.

[Cheryl Hines]

All right, I am.

[Whoopi Goldberg]

This is not your fight, really, to be fighting. This is your husband's fight.

[Cheryl Hines]

Thank you for acknowledging that, but go ahead.

[Whoopi Goldberg]

I just. I do want to say, you know, he's not a doctor, and he's not a professional.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yes.

[Whoopi Goldberg]

And often he's not professional.

[Adam Carolla]

Hold on a second. What do you mean, not a professional?

[Cheryl Hines]

Like, I mean, he is getting paid to do a job, so that is.

[Adam Carolla]

He's a Professional, Right, you guys, he gets paid. We don't have to live off your residuals. Right.

[Cheryl Hines]

He is getting paid to do a job. Okay, so he is a professional.

[Adam Carolla]

He is a professional, but he's not. Okay.

[Whoopi Goldberg]

Times when he's speaking, they clap. He is speaking not with the best information that we can get because, you know.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, hold on. You pause it there. Listen. Everybody is not anything. That's what the heads. You know, guys who do commercial building don't hang drywall all day. They subcontract good drywall, subcontractors and H Vac guys and tile guys. And part of what they're good at is getting a really good crew around them of people who do this, who.

[Cheryl Hines]

Are great at that, by the way.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, the tile guy's not an H vac guy, and he's not a drywall guy. You get the whole group together, then you get experts, then you listen to them, then you weigh in, and after a number of years, you sort of de facto become an expert a little bit in all these different fields.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, it would be weird if the secretary of HHS knew and did all of those things. Knew how to approve drugs, had done that, knows exactly what to look for. Infectious disease has done that. If somebody was a number one, top of their field in all of those categories, they wouldn't. I don't know how you could be an expert.

[Adam Carolla]

Pete Buttigieg was the transportation secretary, but he wasn't an air traffic controller and he wasn't a commercial airline pilot. He's an idiot. But the point is, you put people in charge of stuff, but they're not.

[Cheryl Hines]

Who were experts at what they do.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, but part of it is being an organizer almost. It's like getting really good subscribers to work with you who you trust, you have a relationship with, who have a high batting average, and then listen to their counsel. All right, rewind it like 10 seconds because it's super insulting with the best.

[Whoopi Goldberg]

Information that we can get because, you know, yeah, we could do a lot better with health stuff. And there's a lot of stuff he can do and some of the things he's suggested. Take it out of the hands of my doctor and me.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, pause it for a second. Do you get the feeling that the other women from the View are thinking, what the fuck is this bitch talking about when she talks? Cause she struggles mightily, like she has a mighty struggle with verbiage. Like you can see her and almost smell her thinking, but she has difficulty articulating what she's saying. But she has a feeling. But everyone else has to just be sitting there going, oh, Jesus Christ, Whoopi.

[Cheryl Hines]

I don't know.

[Adam Carolla]

Go to the top. Let's just listen to her one more time. Cause listen to her struggle.

[Cheryl Hines]

She's passionate, though.

[Adam Carolla]

I know she's struggling.

[Cheryl Hines]

She's got something very important to say.

[Adam Carolla]

Important, but nothing. But it's nothing. But it's nothing. Cheryl.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, go ahead now. All right, I am.

[Whoopi Goldberg]

This is not your fight, really, to be fighting. This is your husband's fight.

[Cheryl Hines]

Thank you for acknowledging that.

[Whoopi Goldberg]

But go ahead, but hear what we're talking about. I just. I do want to say, you know, he's not a doctor and he's not a professional.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yes.

[Whoopi Goldberg]

And oftentimes when he's talking, it's not time. Oftentimes, sometimes when he's speaking, he is speaking not with the best information that we can get. Because, you know, yeah, we could do a lot better with health stuff. And there's a lot of stuff he can do. And some of the things he suggested. Take it out of the hands of my doctor and me and my OBGYN and me and I. It does.

[Adam Carolla]

She doesn't know what the fuck she's talking about.

[Whoopi Goldberg]

Does it give you pause? And are you able to say, you know, that might not actually be so? Because I've got my experience and I've done lived with this, and I'm still here. So are you able to have those conversations with her?

[Cheryl Hines]

I am able to have those conversations. And just to be clear, I have.

[Adam Carolla]

No idea what she said, but I don't think she does. I mean, to be fair to her, she doesn't know. She doesn't. She doesn't know what she's saying, which is weird because she does a talk show. But if I just saw this for the first time, I'd go, would you get this poor lady off camera? She's obviously doing something with craft service, but this is really uncomfortable, pushing her in front of the camera this way. She's not trained to do this well. She's a dope or she's ideological or she can't think straight or she's addled or whatever she is. She's an idiot, and she doesn't articulate herself and. And only the unemployable audience members would ever clap for someone saying something as nonsensical as she. But it wasn't this one. It was the.

[Cheryl Hines]

Can we hear the response?

[Adam Carolla]

Let's hear it.

[Cheryl Hines]

Because that's important. No, because if anybody gets to see it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, it's more fun for me to make fun of her.

[Cheryl Hines]

I am able to have those conversations. And just to be clear, 90% of secretaries of HHS have not been doctors, but they've had a science background. Three.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Cheryl Hines]

No, to be honest, one of Obama's background.

[Adam Carolla]

Look at her. Look.

[Cheryl Hines]

Secretaries of HHS was an economist. So most. The majority of them that haven't had.

[Whoopi Goldberg]

Medical backgrounds have science backgrounds. Wait, don't do anything else. Don't say anything else yet. Cause you have to take a break.

[Adam Carolla]

From what? I don't know what that was. Was there information being exchanged?

[Cheryl Hines]

It was so crazy.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, she's the. Well, Whoopi I just look at as. She's a poor dear. She's adult. She doesn't know what the fuck she's talking about. She is. She's a dope. I mean, she is a dope. She's a dope. We've all been on stage at the Groundlings. We have to do improv. As someone who's dumb and slow and you're like, oh, no, she's not a smart person. Okay. Or maybe she's a smart person, but when she talks, she doesn't dissuade anyone from thinking. She isn't a dumb person. But maybe she has private thoughts that are really articulate and interesting, but she doesn't say them into a microphone. So I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. But it was really the clip where I think what's her name, Sunny Hostin was going at you. And then Whoopi yelled Dr. Like from across the thing. And Sunny, like, for an attorney should be a little better. And her thinking process. But maybe I'm just here to be disappointed by adults because I just thought they would do smarter than this. But Sonny was getting into you about. She was more doctor stuff or more putting kind of words saying he wasn't qualified to do this and it's just.

[Cheryl Hines]

And that they were all. They all had science backgrounds. Oh, yeah. That Bobby was the least qualified person. And I said, you know, more than an economist.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Cheryl Hines]

So, I mean, when you look at the list of what. And a lot of them have just been career politicians. Yeah, but no, but nobody. Secretaries, but nobody. I don't remember anybody coming out on the View and saying, I can't believe there's a governor that is now the secretary of hhs. I don't think it ever bothered anybody an economist was the secretary.

[Adam Carolla]

But they don't care about this either. They're just fighting with Trump. But I would tell people all the time. I'm pretty much a master carpenter, but I never read a book. I just went to work. I just worked. You work, you go on a job site, you work all day, and then you become a carpenter at some point, you know, you sort of show up.

[Cheryl Hines]

You learn the job.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, you learn. Like, you learn and, I don't know, you don't want to. A guy who has a degree in building or a master's in building or studied all day, you want on the job training. And obviously Bobby's been there and done that, like in terms of on the job training with these people for 30 some odd years. That's what he does. I would much rather have that than someone who's like fresh from Princeton with a. Whatever degree.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, well, that's what I was saying too, on the View. I was saying that Bobby has a lot of experience in the health world and suing Monsanto because they didn't inform people that Roundup causes cancer. So Bobby spent years studying, learning about Monsanto and about the chemicals that go into Roundup. And just like Exxon and oil spills, you know, it's complicated. And you also have to learn what those environmental toxins are doing to someone's health, because that's why they're suing. So, yeah, he has a lot of that experience. So like you're saying, would you rather have an economist who's great with numbers or the guy who's been spending decades studying the science of what environmental toxins are doing to people's health?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I'll tell you, I'll do one better. I'll take a sharecropper from the 1800s with a fourth grade education who just goes, we never had anybody who had down syndrome back in the day, and now everyone's got down syndrome and everyone's allergic to peanuts. So what? What in tarnation's going on around here?

[Cheryl Hines]

Let's take a look at it.

[Adam Carolla]

I want to know what's going on. I will take that guy. He doesn't have to have a master's degree. Just looking around going, why has everybody got this syndrome and no one ever had this syndrome? How come everybody's allergic to peanuts now? No one I went to junior high with was allergic to peanuts. And that wasn't that long ago. So what's happened? What's going on and shouldn't we look into it?

[Cheryl Hines]

Why is that? Why do people get so angry at somebody asking that question?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, what they cannot admit is they just hate Trump. And the person who is asking that question is seen Shaking hands with Trump in a photo op. And so they can't parse that out. And they're really not. I think they're not being honest with themselves ultimately. It's sort of like when your girlfriend or boyfriend leaves and then they end up with somebody else, and the person is nice and attractive and accomplished, and you go, look at her. I think she's fat. Do you think she's fat? It's like, she's not fat. She's so dumb. She's not dumb. She runs Nabisco. She's not dumb. She's fat and she's dumb. It's like, okay, this is you. This is you. Just go, I'm hurt. I feel bad. I feel ashamed that he left me, and now he's with someone who seems to be better than I was, and I can't just be a bigger man and go, I wish them good luck. I have to snipe and attack. And all of a sudden we're back on the schoolyard and we're in the seventh grade, and that's really where their mentality is. And they can't be intellectually honest enough just with themselves to go, look, I have a blind rage for Trump. Trump said he wants to appoint this person or he likes that guy, or he wants to make the border stout and stop illegal immigration. And for some reason, we have to attack everything he said versus be intellectually honest, to just parse out the stuff you like and the stuff you don't like.

[Cheryl Hines]

Sorry, I don't mean to interrupt you.

[Adam Carolla]

No, what you should say is you go, trump, he likes Pete Hegseth. And you should go, fuck that guy. Fuck that guy, the Minister of War. Get the fuck out of here with his tattoos. I hate that guy. And then they go, want Bobby Jr. And you should go, yeah, okay, he's not a bad guy. He's a good guy. He's done some stuff. He's a good guy. He loves the environment. He's an outdoorsman. He likes kids.

[Cheryl Hines]

All right. He likes clean water.

[Adam Carolla]

He likes clean water. Okay. Leave that guy alone. You can't do it.

[Cheryl Hines]

No, they can't.

[Adam Carolla]

They can't. And that's the part that makes him intellectually dishonest.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. Because it's even.

[Adam Carolla]

And I like Pete Hag's death. But the whole point is, I get it. They can't.

[Cheryl Hines]

They can't separate. No.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Cheryl Hines]

It's even like, you know, some of the accomplishments that Bobby has made with the president about favored nation drug prices.

[Adam Carolla]

Right?

[Cheryl Hines]

So you would think that everybody in this country would be cheering in the streets saying, well, we no longer are going to pay 1000 times more for a drug that they're getting in Europe.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Cheryl Hines]

We're not doing it anymore. You would think even if you hated Trump, you would be like, I mean, I hate Trump, but that's pretty great, because I don't really want to pay $2,000 for my eczema cream or whatever it is. But they don't. Doesn't show up on their radar. Cannot give credit. I mean, listen, when the. When the hostages were released, I kept calling my sister that day because the night before, I couldn't sleep because I thought, oh, I really hope this goes. I really hope this goes well. And I really hope that both sides release the hostages. And I thought that I was so anxious about it, I could barely sleep. I woke up, I saw that they were being released, but I didn't see any, you know, in my feed, I didn't see any celebrating. I called my sister, I said, am I crazy or did both sides just release all of the hostages? And she said, yeah, that is what happened. I said, isn't that what people have been like fighting for, protesting and free the hostages? And it's been two years of that. And then when it happened, that's when I really. I felt like, wow. I mean, true colors. You see people's true colors. Because was it not about. Really about the hostages being released and the lives that now they get to go back to their families or whatever that looks like? They're not. They're not being held captive anymore. And I think thought that's. I really thought that's what people were, what they really wanted.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, well, there's a. What I've discovered is there's kind of a grievance class, and what they want is grievance. So they say, we want this or we want equality, we want gay rights, or we want the hostages freed or whatever it is. And then it happens. And you go, oh, good, now you're happy, right?

[Cheryl Hines]

So thrilled.

[Adam Carolla]

No, still pissed.

[Cheryl Hines]

And it's like the whole day, I was so shocked.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, because you're approaching it from a logical standpoint, which is this is what they want. But if you want grievance, then it makes sense. And what you have to realize is there's no appeasing and they want grievance. And it's kind of sad, but that's where we're living. And speaking of living, are you in D.C. full time or are you out here?

[Cheryl Hines]

I mean, I'm in D.C. a lot. I come out here if I have something to work on or, you know, I'll come out here for a week every now and then. But so I have a place out here and I have a, you know, definitely a place in D.C. in D.C. a lot.

[Adam Carolla]

Are you writing a lot?

[Cheryl Hines]

Writing? Well, I just. I. I mean.

[Adam Carolla]

You wrote a book.

[Cheryl Hines]

I honestly just finished this.

[Adam Carolla]

Are you writing TV stuff?

[Cheryl Hines]

No, no, but I'm producing a film.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, you are?

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, that's exciting.

[Cheryl Hines]

I know. And you're gonna really like it. I can't tell you what it's about on Air Kids. We haven't announced it yet, but it's really. It's gonna be really fun. It's really a cool comedy. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Well.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. And as a producer.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

So you came across the material?

[Cheryl Hines]

I'm actually working with my ex husband, Paul Young. Hey, Paul. Who had this material. And he said, do you want to produce this with me? And I read the script and I loved it. And then we started putting all these pieces together that are huge pieces. A huge. You know, this thing had to happen for this thing to happen. And it's all happening, and it's pretty great.

[Adam Carolla]

How's Bobby with you working with your ex husband?

[Cheryl Hines]

Bobby loves Paul.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really?

[Cheryl Hines]

They've been really good friends since the beginning. Yeah, it's pretty amazing. I mean, Paul's a great guy. Bobby's a great guy. And Bobby. When I started dating Bobby, you know, it was just second nature. This is my ex husband, and we do a lot of stuff together. And he's like, great, let's all have Thanksgiving. Let's all have one time. When we were dating Paul, Bobby and I were gonna take our kids skiing for spring break. And I got a pilot. And I said, you guys, I don't know how to tell you this, but I, you know, this isn't gonna be able to happen because I have to work. And Paul and Bobby said, that's fine, we'll take the kids. So it's Bobby and Paul and the kids on spring break.

[Adam Carolla]

So you and Paul had a very amicable divorce.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, we did.

[Adam Carolla]

And it was just kind of both your decisions.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. I mean, it was clear that it wasn't working. It wasn't working. We. It was just. It was not. It got to a place where it's like, okay, this isn't working. And before it got.

[Adam Carolla]

But it's interesting. Cause you like working together.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Which a lot of people, when they go, it's not working, meaning I just can't talk. We can't agree on anything or we argue over everything. But business, film and stuff. There's lots of opportunities for disagreements.

[Cheryl Hines]

Well, yeah, Paul and I can disagree.

[Adam Carolla]

Paul and I, but just you guys both arrived at a point. How long were you married?

[Cheryl Hines]

Seven years.

[Adam Carolla]

Seven years. And it just both arrived at this space, at this place where he went.

[Cheryl Hines]

It's not really, I mean, basically, you know, I mean, we realized at some point like this there's a problem and then we were trying to fix it and then it got to a point where it's like, this isn't working. And we actually took our wedding rings.

[Adam Carolla]

Off at the same time without announcing it to one another?

[Cheryl Hines]

No, we filed for divorce and we were still, we were still living together until we figured out what to do with the house and all that. But neither one of us wanted to take our ring off because we didn't want to hurt the other person's feelings. Plus, if you take your ring off, then you're announcing to the world not married anymore. So we talked about it and I said, yeah, I didn't want to take mine off. I don't want to hurt your feelings. He said, I feel the same way. So. So we took our rings off at the same time.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow. We had like a ceremony.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Like a conscious decoupling of ringing.

[Cheryl Hines]

We did.

[Adam Carolla]

So California.

[Cheryl Hines]

I know it was. And Paul said, he said, don't take this the wrong way, but there's no one in the world I'd rather have as my ex wife than you.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow.

[Cheryl Hines]

I said, that's so nice.

[Adam Carolla]

This is very different. You've defied the odds.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. You know, because we didn't let it get to a place where you start calling names or it gets to that point where it's so bad where you're like, I never want to see your face again. And I understand how that could happen, but that was not the case with us.

[Adam Carolla]

It's interesting because I can't speak for him, but you know, you seem to real level headed and he seems sort of responsible that like you're at this place where you can intellectualize going, hey, I don't think this is going to work. But also just by virtue of the fact that you guys arrived at that at the same place at the same time sort of means like, well, why, why is it insurmountable? You're both talking, you both seem really rational and sort of level headed. And what would be the thing that would not let it work? Like some people go, well, she's this religion and I'm that religion so could just never really. We can't get over this obstacle. But that didn't seem like that was the case for you guys.

[Cheryl Hines]

No, that wasn't the case for us. I mean, you know, we have. Fundamentally, we're kind of different. I mean, and this is back. You know, this was a long time ago, but he's sort of driven by. What's the word? Like, if something makes him mad or he's driven by that, whereas I'm driven by happiness.

[Adam Carolla]

Sounds like what you'd say in the council. He's driven by evil, and I'm driven by happiness. Well, because you decide who's got the problem here, counselor.

[Cheryl Hines]

No, because, you know, if something would make.

[Adam Carolla]

Every woman I know thinks she's driven by happiness and I'm driven by evil.

[Cheryl Hines]

Well, something would make him.

[Adam Carolla]

He's like Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan would have somebody say something to him, like a nothing burger, and he'd be like, I'm Gonna put up 50 the next time I see. Like, he'd make it his own thing. It motivated him.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

It drove him.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Even though the thing wasn't really a thing.

[Cheryl Hines]

You know, I mean, I think Paul has changed a lot. But even, you know, he negotiates a lot of contracts and stuff, and he's like, you know, hard. Hardball. And I'm always like, just. Let's call it. I'm fine with that.

[Assistant/Researcher]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So he's more intense. He's more intense and you're more laid back.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Cheryl Hines]

I don't think he. And I don't. And at the time, it's not what we really appreciated about each other. Like, I do not need to see. You don't have to tell me. Sunny side up. Okay. Cause I'm in this, you know, I'm in this fight. It's like. Well, but there's also this other side. It's like. So we would do that to each other, where it's like, yeah, you don't. Maybe you're not taking this seriously enough. Well, I am, but this is how I do it. I hate the way you're doing it. So, you know, after a little while of that, you're like, oh, I think we're better off friends.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I mean, you arrived at it.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Nobody has real hard feelings. He's moved on, perhaps.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yes. He got married. He has.

[Adam Carolla]

You're married. He's married. Okay. And now you can work together.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. I mean, we've been working together through it all. Yeah. We worked together while we were married. And then even after we were married.

[Adam Carolla]

And Bobby can go skiing with him. God knows what they're talking about.

[Cheryl Hines]

God knows.

[Adam Carolla]

It's not good. It can't be flattering. It just can't. But that's okay.

[Cheryl Hines]

Good. Oh, my God. I gotta take a sip.

[Adam Carolla]

The book is called Unscripted Cheryl Hines, A Memoir. It's available November 11th.

[Cheryl Hines]

You can pre order now.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, and you can pre order. Yes, pre order it now. I understand that world. You pre order it. It's great for when the New York Times makes their list. And at least back in the day, if you pre ordered it, like, on Amazon, it would show up the day the book came out.

[Cheryl Hines]

I feel like that's what's happening.

[Adam Carolla]

That's what's happening.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay.

[Cheryl Hines]

That's what I told my mom.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Cheryl, come back anytime.

[Cheryl Hines]

Thank you.

[Adam Carolla]

Always great catching up. I love talking to you, with you. Give my love to Bobby. I'm such a fan.

[Cheryl Hines]

And I will.

[Adam Carolla]

I love the whole stiff upper lip part of it. No, you know what I like? Here's what I like about Bobby, and I like it about anybody he was having. He's in front of Congress and they're doing all their shit. They always do. And at some point he's talking, and I'll screw it up a little bit, but he's talking to, like, some black senator. And he goes, we found out with young black infants, they don't need this vaccine because they don't seem to get this disease, so we're not gonna inoculate them. And then the black senator is like, that sounds pretty racist to me. You know, whatever. And he's like, no, no, this is what we know. And they keep trying to do this racist thing. And he's like, no, I'm saying, don't get vaccinated because you don't need it if you're African American because you don't have this enzyme or whatever. And he didn't go like, oh, oh, okay, sorry. He was just like, I'm just saying what this is. And you can interpret it any way you want. And I know you're gonna interpret it this way, but I don't care, because that's what the facts is.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yes, that is definitely him.

[Adam Carolla]

And I just think we need more of that. Yeah, so tell him more.

[Cheryl Hines]

I will.

[Adam Carolla]

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[Mike Dawson]

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[Adam Carolla]

All right, Dawson's Got News. What do you got?

[Mike Dawson]

Well, big article in the LA Times recently pointing some dangerous fingers at the Los Angeles Fire Chiefs. The Palisades fire, it appears, was reignited from the earlier fire, the Lackland Fire. On the morning of January 2, the day after the eight acre blaze was declared contained, rather than stay and make sure there were no hidden embers that could spark a new fire, the battalion chief ordered them to roll up their hoses and pull out of the area.

[Adam Carolla]

It is an interesting first off, I must say, as a longtime Los Angeleno, when you hear the LA Times actually doing their job, it's weird. Something's weird. But by the way, that's a bad sign. Like if you have a wife or roommate or something and we've all had this and you come home one day and they're cleaning and you just go, what are you doing? Clean. You're happy, they're cleaning. But that thought you have, which, what the fuck? Since when do you clean? You never clean. That's a bad sign.

[Mike Dawson]

What's going on here?

[Adam Carolla]

It's a bad sign because it means you never fucking do anything. But now you're doing something. So when the LA Times does something that actually flies in the face of LA City Council or Karen Bass or Gavin Newsom or something, it's shocking and surprising. Now that's their job. Their job is to do this stuff. But they've been so corrupted over the last decade plus that we don't expect them to do. Is a weird reaction when you see CNN sort of do their job a little once in a while or LA Times do their job once in a while, you go, what are they doing so good? That they're doing does beg a few questions, which is the guy who set the fire, who's like a crazy Uber driver guy. And now in his defense, well, not in his defense, but I don't know, 12 or 13 people died. Elderly folk couldn't get out of their house or whatever, but there's a body count. There's also $10 billion worth of damage done.

[Mike Dawson]

Thousands of structures, right?

[Adam Carolla]

And it's all gonna land on the lap of the Uber guy right now. If I'm defending the Uber guy, I'm going, yeah, this guy's an asshole and he's nuts and he's an arsonist and he's disgruntled and he's an Uber driver and whatever else. But he set a small fire. And you guys, the professionals, showed up and did not put the fire out and then left. And then I have these texts from these firemen saying, I don't think we should leave. I think the fire may still be smoldering under there. And then we have one from the battalion chief saying, come back. Don't worry about it. So is my guy responsible for the deaths that came after your negligence?

[Mike Dawson]

There's some shared culpability here, obviously, right?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, he started the fire and then you guys didn't put the fire out professionally or properly. And then a bunch of people died. So how are we going to break this one up? But either way, it's an issue. We have here with competence. We don't have a lot of competence in Los Angeles. We have an incompetent mayor. We have an incompetent governor in California, and then the city council. Women. Those cows are wildly incompetent as well. But it was fine. Cause we just ran. We just ran as a city. Our city, Los Angeles, is sort of like buying a Toyota Camry, brand new and giving it to your dumbo teenage daughter who just drives. She doesn't change oil, doesn't check, doesn't rotate tires, doesn't inflate anything, doesn't top off fluids, doesn't anything. That Toyota Camry will go for 120,000 miles on the same oil it left the dealership with without ever doing all the scheduled maintenance and all the stuff. The check engine light's been on for 32,000 miles. You don't even pull over. It will, but eventually it'll start breaking even.

[Mike Dawson]

That.

[Cheryl Hines]

That.

[Adam Carolla]

Because we're sort of in L. A.

[Cheryl Hines]

Just.

[Adam Carolla]

We just run ourselves.

[Mike Dawson]

We're at the breaking point.

[Adam Carolla]

But now, yeah, we're the Camry with the dumb teenage girl driver who never maintained it. And shit is starting to break.

[Mike Dawson]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

That's where.

[Mike Dawson]

Well, there are three firefighters whose names won't be released because, you know, they don't want to be.

[Adam Carolla]

Hurt. Whatever retaliated against.

[Mike Dawson]

So they're not releasing their names, but the interim police chief has said in a statement. This I don't get.

[Adam Carolla]

Wait, police chief.

[Mike Dawson]

I mean, sorry. The fire chief. The interim fire chief.

[Adam Carolla]

That's why I'm here, Dawson.

[Mike Dawson]

Chief Ronnie Villanueva said in a statement that the Palisades inferno was not due to failed suppression of the Lockman blaze and said he said it was the result of an undetectable holdover fire that lived deep within the roots. Now, semantics are.

[Adam Carolla]

What does that mean? What's a holdover fire?

[Mike Dawson]

It's another way of saying they didn't put it out, but hold over sounds better and releases them from some responsibility.

[Adam Carolla]

They think, yeah, but not climate change. Gavin Newsom. I wanted to blame everything on climate change. My thing is, my whole thing with the climate change retardation is all right, There is climate change. It's fine. There's more wind or it's hotter, there's more fuel or there are higher seas or whatever storm season lasts longer, whatever that thing is. Now go do something about it. I don't know what you want me to say. Okay. Climate change. Okay. Climate change. Good. Clear the brush. Okay.

[Mike Dawson]

Clear the brush.

[Adam Carolla]

Fill the reservoir.

[Mike Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Hire more firemen, do more alerts, put more. Dispatch more units, like, whatever. Okay, now let's do something about it. The fact, by the way, the fact that you're using climate change as an excuse says to me you're feckless and you don't know what the fuck you're doing. Because if it is climate change again, climate change in New Orleans. All right, Seawalls, okay? That's your job. I mean, we blame the Army Corps of Engineers, right? Spike Lee thought they dynamited the levees, which it shows, A, he's a dope, but B, he just hates white people, essentially. But he thought the Army Corps of Engineers blew up the levees.

[Mike Dawson]

Well, everyone who was asked for comment, everyone who was in a position of authority has not returned comments.

[Adam Carolla]

This is the beauty of the transparency of these people, which is zero transparency. Like, hey, how much is the new capital in Sacramento? It's $1.3 billion. It's overrun by 500 million. How about a little transparency there? Now we sign non disclosure agreements. We're not gonna do that. I do love the fact that the truth is for all. The truth to power people. The transparency people will never be transparent about it. I don't know, where's the map? How about a presser? Let's hear it. Get up there on the podium, take questions, give answers. It's the biggest story of the last 20 years. How about a press conference? How about we discuss this?

[Mike Dawson]

Well, you know, there's gotta be some kind of email chain. There has got to be communication between these people because there's no way a battalion chief did not listen to his firefighters on the ground who said, you know, it's a good. It's really a bad idea to leave the. Nope Nope. Get out of there, roll up your hoses, leave. We're done. That doesn't make any sense. So if the LA Times is really doing their job, we should hopefully find out sometime who gave this order. I don't know if we'll ever find out why, but there's certainly a very sinister angle to it, isn't there?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, it's a lot of circle the wagons and protect their own kind of thing. And it's like, hey, man, lots of structures lost, lots of lives lost. So how about some answers?

[Mike Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, well, like I said, look, I interviewed Rick Caruso, who could have been mayor. He just said, I had my people in place three days before the fire. We knew the winds were coming. We put the fire retardant material on the roof two days before, and everything was set. I was like, all right, that's what a guy does who's competent.

[Mike Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Karen Bass goes to Ghana.

[Mike Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

But they can't say anything because it's a crime. All right, what else you got, Mel?

[Mike Dawson]

Kim Kardashian is now jumping on board, saying that the moon landing never happened. I believe we have some video of this from. From her TV show. She said the 69 moon landing was faked.

[Adam Carolla]

Mm.

[Cheryl Hines]

Sending you, like, so far, a million article interviews with both Buzz Aldrin and. Yes, the other one. Do it.

[Mike Dawson]

The other one. Neil Armstrong.

[Cheryl Hines]

Scariest moment. And he goes, there was no scary moment because it didn't happen. It could have been scary, but it wasn't because it didn't happen. So he's gotten old and now he, like, slurs on his thing, dude. Yeah. So I think it didn't happen. I'm gonna go on a massive deep dive is what's gonna. Okay. I was going to seriously into a.

[Adam Carolla]

Bottle of vodka and forget we ever had this conversation. That's tough. See, when Kim Kardashian tells you dumb shit, you have to listen because she's hot and she's a billionaire and she's Kim Kardashian. So you have to go. Like, you can't go. Get the fuck out of here. Dumb shit. You have to go. Okay. All right, well, I know what I'll be doing this weekend. I'll be taking a deep dive into Buzz Aldrin. Yeah.

[Mike Dawson]

And the other guy. I love how she says Buzz Aldrin and the other guy. You mean the first guy to walk on the moon, Neil Armstrong. What you learned in first grade.

[Adam Carolla]

I would argue. Here's my argument. My. I never thought of this argument, but I'm going With this argument. I've said it said all the time, you can kind of reverse engineer stuff, right? So like when there's a document and the document says, hey, here's how we're gonna break down the profits from Hunter Biden's take in Ukraine, right? And you go 10% to Gary Wallbanger over here and 10% to Guy Newcomb over here, and then 10% to Hunter Biden and then he's got 10% for the big guy.

[Mike Dawson]

Guy, right?

[Adam Carolla]

Okay? That's what it says. And then we go, well, the big guy, who's the big guy? I'm sure the Los Angeles Times will figure out who the big guy is as soon as they're done with this whole fire investigation. Now, zero interest from any publication. New York Times, L.A. times, doesn't matter. CNN, no one wants to know who the big guy is. I'm curious who the big guy is. Now. The big guy, Bob Alinsky said who.

[Mike Dawson]

The big guy is.

[Adam Carolla]

He's Joe Biden. Yeah, he's Joe Biden. But nobody wants to know the answer to that, including the FBI, CIA, nobody. Okay? So the big guy's Joe Biden. Now somebody says, well, this document is just there to basically frame Joe Biden. It doesn't exist. Or I can't prove it exists, or it doesn't really exist or whatever it is. If you're there to frame Joe Biden, it says 10% for Joe Biden or it says JB. It doesn't say the big guy. YB why leave it open to interpretation if you're going to create something that's going to frame somebody? If I'm trying to frame Mike Dawson, I go, and you know who likes 10 year old girls? Not the big guy. Not the big Guy, Mike Dawson, Right? Cause I'm trying to fuck you up, right? And I would say it if I was trying to frame you in an email or a paper. All right, so you would say, now here's where I'm going. You're going, where are you going, Adam?

[Assistant/Researcher]

Him.

[Adam Carolla]

I'll tell you where I'm going. Neil Armstrong says. Neil Armstrong says, one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.

[Mike Dawson]

Correct.

[Adam Carolla]

He fucked that up. He would say it should be one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind. Now because. Because one small step for man is the same as mankind unless you say for a man.

[Mike Dawson]

Correct. That makes sense. That makes perfect sense.

[Adam Carolla]

If I was shooting this on a soundstage like as depicted in Capricorn 1.

[Mike Dawson]

Let's do it again. The film with O.J.

[Adam Carolla]

I'D be like, all right, Neil, that's a good one. Now let's try it again. And this time, remember, mind the cue card guy over there. It is one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind. That's what it is. So just say it. And we're going again. And I'd ring the bell and I'd tell the audience, warm up guy to clear out. And I'd go, we're going again because I want to get it clean. That's what I would do. So that's how you know they didn't fake it.

[Mike Dawson]

You messed up that line.

[Adam Carolla]

We're going to take it again. Look, I love.

[Mike Dawson]

I love the way you stepped on the fake moon, Earth and everything. It's just that line. We just got to clean it up.

[Adam Carolla]

Let's just do it again and bring in the golf club. Stroke of genius. Pun intended. Nice job.

[Mike Dawson]

So anyway, the government says, kardashian, you're an idiot. And, yeah, we landed on the moon. I think they said six times. Five times. Six times.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, for me, as a faking landing on the moon, while I wouldn't be happy about, falls way underneath all the other shit our government just sort of wastes taxpayer money on. It doesn't impact me directly if you said, I'd much rather them handle the homeless crisis or something better and fake the moon, which the moon is fine. Also, it's kind of prudent if you fake the moon landing. Cause it probably means you saved a few bucks.

[Mike Dawson]

Yeah, right.

[Adam Carolla]

I would think.

[Mike Dawson]

But speaking of the LA times, I wonder when they're gonna find out where all that money for homeless men homelessness went.

[Adam Carolla]

Never gonna find out.

[Mike Dawson]

They're not gonna do it.

[Adam Carolla]

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[Mike Dawson]

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[Mike Dawson]

All right, we got one more story here with Nicki. Nicki Minaj. She sent her lefty fans into a meltdown after she praised Trump for addressing the persecution of Christians in Nigeria. And I don't know if you've seen some of these awful, awful videos, but Christians in Nigeria are just being eliminated. Buried alive.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I've seen some of it. And yes, the same people that are, you know, the Gays for Palestine crew and stuff like that, they don't give a fuck. No one cares. They don't listen to me. There is the grievance class. The grievance class has a grievance. The grievance class has a grievance, and they don't really care. And so you saying a. Well, now there's peace in Palestine. Aren't you happy? No, because it's called a grievance class. And then. And what about what's going on in Africa and what they're doing? Like, yeah, yeah, those are black people. Yeah, you're Black Lives Matter. Yeah, yeah, we're grievance people. We're not really solve the problem people. But we can't announce we're grievance people. Anyone who's had a wife, a roommate, a daughter, a son, who's a grievance person, they don't announce they're grievance people. No one goes, I'm a fucking grievance person. I got a beef with everything. They just have a constant, ongoing running beef with everything all the time. And then you go, I made you your favorite omelet. Why aren't you? You didn't. Where are the hash browns? They're grievance people. So all the people, all the BLM people or the Free Palestine people or the march on the Campus people are all the people that want everything freed up or whoever those assholes are, they're grievance people. So don't try to make sense out of them. They have a problem with this. And then other things they don't care about. Because, by the way, where would the grievance lead to if that was their issue? Like, where would they go? With this, to Trump, to a white guy, to a white Republican, to a white Christian guy. No, these are Muslims. These are black Muslims. They don't have a grievance because they're the aggrieved. They're the people with the grievance. You understand? They're the underclass. They're the ones who are being taken advantage. They can't be doing things to other people. They're being discriminated against. So fucks up our whole grievance hierarchy. So we can't say shit, right? That's how it works.

[Mike Dawson]

Well, Trump had posted on Truth Social that Christianity is facing an existential threat threat in Nigeria. The United States cannot stand by while such atrocities are happening. Minaj simply said, reading this made me feel a deep sense of gratitude. We live in a country where we can freely worship God. No group should ever be persecuted for practicing their religion. We don't have to share the same beliefs in order for us to respect each other. And then the part that got everybody mad was, thank you to the President and his team for taking this seriously. And people are very upset. Someone went as far as to say, sometimes her choices and the way she acts is just insane. Supporting Donald Trump is crazy.

[Adam Carolla]

Look, everybody, if somebody is going to say something sensible, you're allowed to agree with that person without necessarily voting for them or supporting them. And it shows your derangement. Like, we got a governor. Governor Newsom has a capital that we're building that's 1.3 billion. That's taxpayers money that he's not transparent about. And they literally won't tell anyone where the money's going or how much it costs or anything. And he's worried about the ballroom, which is 300 million, which is a quarter of the price, and will be, I'm sure, come in less than a quarter of the price because 1.3. Paid for by donors and paid for by donors. So what do you care about? Well, the answer is you got Trump derangement syndrome. Because if it was really about expenditures or building, then you would be much more focused on either your bullet train that's 25 billion and never gonna be completed, or your capital that's over a billion and probably never gonna be completed. Probably never gonna be completed. You'd be worried about those things if it was really about fiscal responsibility and practicality. But you are not. You are worried about this, which means you have a syndrome, which also means I don't need to listen to you when you talk about these subjects, because you are not a practical person. You're not a rational person. And I know what you're saying. It's basically when you talk. When anyone who knows a chick who hates another chick, you can never talk to her about the other chick because they'll just go, she's fucking horrible. She's a bitch. She's dumb. You know, whatever. You go, well, how did she do? How was she made ambrosia salad for the party? How was it fucking puked. Puked as fucking putrid. And then you go, well, everyone seemed to eat it all. Yeah, well, they're stupid. That's why. Cause they don't know, because it tasted like swill. It was horrible. I wouldn't let my dog eat. It's like, I guess I shouldn't talk to you about how her ambrosia salad was because you were fucked up. And you have this derangement syndrome with this person. Women get it more than men, but weak guys get it, too. So what I need to do is go talk to someone else at the party and find out how the ambrosia sounds, because I can't get it from you. Now, what you could do, if you're an intelligent person not stricken with this Tammy derangement syndrome. Td.

[Mike Dawson]

Tds.

[Adam Carolla]

Tds. Ooh. It's also a mechanical thing. Means top dead center. It's when you get that number one piston up to the top of its throat. They call it get to TDS when you setting the timing for a car. But anyway, top dead center. Tds. If you didn't have this, you could.

[Mike Dawson]

Center, center.

[Adam Carolla]

Tdc. Sorry, tdc. You're right. Just checking you. Tdc. Top dead center. Thank you. Took a second. If you didn't have this syndrome, then I could say to you, how was Tammy's ambrosia salad? And you could say, that bitch fucks up everything she touches except ambrosia salad. It was pretty good.

[Mike Dawson]

You can be honest.

[Adam Carolla]

And then I'd go, well, now I would tend to believe you if you told me about her, because you're saying, I don't like this person, but she knows her way around a gelatin mold. But if you're just going to go nuts on everything all the time, even stuff like, again, you got a $1.3 billion that's not done, that the taxpayers are paying for that you won't be transparent about, and you're doing a thing with Trump for 300,000. That's not even something that he's gonna be around to use much longer, and donations are paying for it, then, no, I don't Believe you for anything on this subject.

[Mike Dawson]

So. And when you do it like that, when you have the derangement, you can say things like, I didn't even eat the ambrosia salad because Tammy poisons people.

[Adam Carolla]

With that stuff, right? Yeah, yeah. She put aquarium cleaner in it. Or bleach. She injected bleach into her ambrosia salad. Andrew, how do you make ambrosia salad? Is it gelatin, mini marshmallows, and, like, fruit pieces?

[Mike Dawson]

Sounds right.

[Adam Carolla]

People used to have jello molds. What a time. What a time.

[Mike Dawson]

People used to bring that to, like, a potluck when we were kids.

[Adam Carolla]

Moms made casseroles.

[Mike Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And gelatin. They had molds for jello. That's right. Special molds.

[Mike Dawson]

That's right.

[Adam Carolla]

That's a simple. It was a great. It was a better America.

[Mike Dawson]

But the people who made the ambrosia salad and they brought that jello mold, I think my mom always looked down on them.

[Assistant/Researcher]

Ambrosia salad is made by mixing a creamy dressing, often a combination of sour cream and whipped topping, or whipped cream with a variety of canned and fresh fruits like pineapple and mandarin oranges, along with mini marshmallows, coconut, and sometimes nuts.

[Mike Dawson]

Gross.

[Assistant/Researcher]

Or cherries.

[Adam Carolla]

And there's no. But it's put in a mold. Right.

[Mike Dawson]

Like, it's.

[Adam Carolla]

It's. It. It. It's solidified.

[Mike Dawson]

Yeah, it's like on a bundt cake.

[Adam Carolla]

Does it have jelly? Yeah, it's got jelly Jell O in it.

[Assistant/Researcher]

The ingredients are gently folded together to avoid crushing the fruit, and the salad is then chilled for at least a couple of hours.

[Mike Dawson]

Well, it's gotta be chilled because it's Jell O, though, right?

[Adam Carolla]

But how does it get its firmness? I guess if it's just cream and what's holding it together?

[Assistant/Researcher]

I think that's what the chilling is for. That's how it congeals.

[Adam Carolla]

It's cream.

[Assistant/Researcher]

And what a creamy dressing. A creamy dressing, Sour cream, or like a. Like a ranch or something like that. Often a combination, a whipped topping, a.

[Adam Carolla]

Whipped cream, ranch would be a shit show. But they're no gelatin, I guess. I don't know.

[Mike Dawson]

I'll go for the band. Ambrosia. I'll take a mellow ballad over a jello salad any day.

[Adam Carolla]

That's how much I feel Feel for you, baby, yeah how much I need you I like I need your touch.

[Assistant/Researcher]

Yeah Traditional ambrosia salad recipes generally do not include added gelatin as a primary ingredient.

[Adam Carolla]

God damn.

[Mike Dawson]

I've been living a lie I know I always Thought that was the jello salad. Well, maybe salad's a different thing.

[Adam Carolla]

Maybe we. We. Maybe we bastardized it out here in. In la, we do tend to put our own stink on.

[Mike Dawson]

That's a pretty lofty name for something, too. Isn't ambrosia like a sense of ecstasy or something? Never before has the name of food been so far away from what it actually is.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, like ambrosia salad. You would probably be disappointed. And actually, in terms of calories, with the word salad, I feel like, move over. Taco salad. Oh, yeah, there's a new caloric champ of something that has the word salad in it that actually will make you fatter than taco salad. All right, let's see. The congealing thickness and setting of ambrosia salad is primarily caused by the interaction of the creamy base ingredients and the chilling process.

[Assistant/Researcher]

But that is Google AI overview. So maybe they have an anti gelatin slant.

[Adam Carolla]

Aha. The whole Cosby thing is pulled gelatin off.

[Assistant/Researcher]

We gotta go to Grok.

[Adam Carolla]

We gotta go to Grok to get to the truth about ambrosia salad.

[Mike Dawson]

I'd like to see a picture of what they're calling ambrosia salad, too. Cause I always thought it was green jello.

[Adam Carolla]

It's in a mold. And it is. It does have the stuff. I don't know. I think. Can we say this? There was a time when ambrosia salad and fruitcake dominated. And then at some point, people went, does anyone like this shit? And someone went, no. And then someone went, why have they been eating it at parties for 37 years if no one likes it? And the answer is, I don't know. And by the way, as long as we're having this conversation, what's going on with the parsley by the side of the plate? Did anyone ever eat it? And the answer is no. And then, like, then get rid of it. And we grew up as a nation, and thank God we did. All right, Dawson, let me tell you this. Thursday, Boston, the Wilbur Theater. That's a beautiful, beautiful theater. Come on out, say hi. Be doing some stand up there. And then off to Buffalo Electric City. That'll be the day after. And then off to Duluth, Georgia. Do an arena with Megyn Kelly. Megyn Kelly, Everybody. Go to AdamCroll.com for all the. The live shows.

[Mike Dawson]

Hey, by the way, I got a big show Friday night in Concord, California. I'm doing 40 minutes at Garringer Garden. Big standup show in Concord. You can follow me at dosangelas for the information.

[Adam Carolla]

All right. And Cheryl Hines unscripted the book and until next time, Z for Dawson Cheryl Hines saying mahalo.

[Mike Dawson]

Pick up your phone and leave us a voicemail at 888-634-41744 and be sure and get tickets to see the ace [e-mail].

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