Chris Hansen on Epstein, Predators & Woke Culture + Mamdani Appoints Transgender Rabbi

Summary

Adam Carolla Show: Chris Hansen on Epstein, Predators & Woke Culture + Mamdani Appoints Transgender Rabbi

Date: December 2, 2025
Guests: Chris Hansen (True Blue), Alicia Krause (Washington Examiner)

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Episode Overview

Adam Carolla welcomes renowned crime investigator Chris Hansen for a wide-ranging conversation touching on the enduring allure of true crime, the psychology of predators, the Jeffrey Epstein saga, high-profile criminal justice failures, and the dangers lurking in kid-centric platforms like Roblox. Later, news anchor Alicia Krause joins for a satirical and critical rundown of "woke" developments in current events, including the appointment of a transgender rabbi to NYC’s transition team and the culture wars around public celebrations. As always, the conversation is candid, irreverent, and punctuated by Adam’s signature humor and rants.

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True Crime’s Popularity and the Psychology of Fear

[02:16–07:29]

• Adam introduces Chris Hansen and dives right into the odd popularity of true crime, especially among suburban, comfortable, predominantly white women.
  • Adam: "Who are the consumers? ... I'm picturing white, middle-aged women."
  • Chris: "This is true... I’m not sure why."
• Adam’s Theory: As modern comforts removed everyday danger, people seek “artificial” peril via crime dramas and horror.
  • “[People] have an appetite for that [jeopardy].” (Adam Carolla, 04:39)
• Chris expands: “These stories... are as old as the Bible. There’s always a fascination… good vs. evil... ultimate mystery to solve.”
• Discussion about why some demographics obsess over threats they likely won’t face—paralleling crime-obsessed women with high-powered men who visit dominatrixes.

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The Mindset of Predators and the Unthinkable

[07:29–10:28]

• Adam and Chris analyze why laypeople often can’t fathom the behaviors of evil-doers.
  • Adam: “It’s so unthinkable to normally-wired people... it almost gets swept under the rug.” (08:11)
• Chris describes recent stings—including a kidney specialist showing up to meet an underage decoy, despite knowing about Chris Hansen’s stings.
  • “He’s wearing his fleece that has the medical center where he practices medicine as a kidney specialist...” (Chris Hansen, 09:23)

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Epstein, Abuse, and the Power Structure in Elite Circles

[10:28–21:29]

• Barely Legal:
  • Adam and Chris discuss how societal standards have shifted—magazines like “Barely Legal” were once on shelves, now unthinkable.
  • “People of age posing as children… to me, that’s like AI child porn.” (Chris Hansen, 11:14)
• Epstein’s Modus Operandi:
  • Chris: “Jeffrey Epstein... had a propensity for young girls... would find them in vulnerable situations... [then] incrementally kept going younger.”
  • Details about Ghislaine Maxwell’s role, and the power dynamics silencing victims.
• Adam: “He was connected as well.”
  • Chris: “Look at all the Prince Andrew stuff... he thought he was gonna get away with it... talk about the height of arrogance.” (14:00–14:06)
• Flight Logs & Guilt by Association:
  • Both warn against assuming every passenger was complicit:
    • "Nobody says no to a free private flight..." (Adam Carolla, 15:34)
• Sting Attempts:
  • Chris attempted but couldn’t set up undercover stings targeting Epstein, instead praising journalism that chipped away at the case.
• Politicization:
  • Names have largely been revealed already, but both parties use the case for political leverage.
  • “Both sides are politicizing it.” (Chris Hansen, 17:58)
• Is it a compulsion?
  • "You don’t dabble in this. It’s kind of a thing, right?" (Adam Carolla, 18:06)
  • Chris: Details about individuals’ “types,” comparing predator behavior to other personal preferences.

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High-Profile Criminals, Prisons, and Justice

[25:11–34:54]

• Why Risk it All?
  • Adam: “People risk everything for their compulsion… the sexual compulsion part of life transcends all that.”
• Collateral Damage:
  • Chris: "What really rocks me and disturbs me the most... [is] the collateral damage. The wife. The girlfriend. The children."
• Prison Realities:
  • Adam asks if inmates ever manage to hide their crime from others.
  • Chris: “First thing these guys do is, 'where’s your papers? What are you in for?'” He recounts a story of a rabbi from his stings recognized in prison via TV airing his bust.
• Cell Phones in Prison:
  • The ease of smuggling contraband like phones discussed.
• Conjugal Visits as a Behavior Management Tool:
  • Adam: “It keeps them [inmates] from boiling over. You get to use it as leverage.”

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Child Predator Stings – Security and Realities

[32:06–34:54]

• Chris tells a harrowing vignette of catching a young man with a loaded gun in his backpack—showcasing the real-life dangers in these operations.
  • “The point... there was a gun in that backpack. The police have a right to look if there’s potential danger.” (Chris Hansen, 32:50)
• Security measures for the stings are discussed, albeit vaguely for obvious reasons.

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Roblox: Child Exploitation on Kids’ Gaming Platforms

[43:12–47:44]

• Roblox's explosive popularity is flagged as a hunting ground for predators.
  • “Roblox... marketed to children as young as five... what we’ve uncovered is shocking.” (Chris Hansen, 43:22)
  • Predators exploit children by offering the in-game currency “Robux” to create or coerce child pornography.
• Corporate Response:
  • Roblox is accused of stonewalling scrutiny and banning whistleblowers/content creators trying to help clean things up.
  • Chris: “The company claimed they’re making security advances... I’m trying to get them to talk to me, but they’ve refused.”

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CrimeCon, Fan Culture, and the Power of Community

[50:17–53:50]

• Adam and Chris discuss CrimeCon, its growth, and the devoted, supportive fans in the true crime world.
  • Chris: “The connection you make with the people who consume your content is so organic... it got me in a way that almost makes me tear up.”
  • “Without those people... how do you have the number one podcast?” (Chris Hansen, 52:50)

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Solvability of Crime in the Age of Tech & The JonBenet Ramsey Case

[53:57–59:17]

• Adam: “It seems almost impossible to pull off a crime these days with science, DNA... just Ring doorbell everywhere.”
• Chris is hopeful the JonBenet case will be solved:
  • "That case was so poorly investigated in the beginning... there are two or three suspects, but I’m convinced it was an outsider.” (Chris Hansen, 56:13 & 57:58)

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Classic True Crime Cases: Chandra Levy, Duke Lacrosse, and Media Fiascos

[59:17–63:42]

• Chandra Levy:
  • DA’s tunnel vision on a high-profile congressman, ignoring a known predator whose MO fit—“The criminal math seems to add up. And in fact, ultimately, that was the guy.” (Chris Hansen, 61:41)
• Duke Lacrosse:
  • Media and prosecutorial overreach—Ed Bradley covered the truth: “It was an exceptional piece of journalism... they didn’t commit a crime.” (Chris Hansen, 40:12)

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News & Culture Segment with Alicia Krause

[74:13–109:44]

1. NYC Appoints Transgender Rabbi to Transition Team

[79:10–81:49]

• News that incoming NYC mayor Mamdani appointed transgender Rabbi Abby Stein to the health committee.
  • Adam: “400 people... doesn’t that seem like a lot?”
  • Satirical takedown of government bloat and “woke” appointments:
    • “Government just begats government... it’s one big money laundering operation.”
    • “Turns out everyone is corruptible. As long as you’re throwing money at it.”

2. Portland’s “Woke” Christmas Tree Lighting

[86:50–93:43]

• A holiday tree lighting ceremony replaced its “Christmas” language and led with land acknowledgments, anti-Israel, and pro-Palestine activist speeches.
  • Adam: “Can we have one fucking day that we can enjoy without you and your shit all the time?” (88:26)
  • The segment lampoons these virtue-signaling rituals and compares them to the infamous bummer Christmas story from Gremlins (Phoebe Cates' speech).

3. True Crime Fan Culture Run Amok

[96:40–98:28]

• Alleged murderer Luigi Mangione attracts groupies online; people buy merch featuring his image.
  • Adam: “Maybe we’ve hit our bottom... in the department of not being able to think in a sane manner.”
  • “You’re not supposed to be worshiping at the altar of his executioner.”

4. Paramore Singer Bans ‘Racists’ and 'Anti-Trans' Fans from Concerts

[100:31–103:22]

• Frontwoman Hayley Williams declares Trump supporters and “anti-trans” fans are unwelcome, despite living in Tennessee.
  • Adam: “Go do whatever you want to do, but please shut the fuck up about it. I don’t want it invading every tree lighting.”
  • “They need to victimize themselves because it’s all part of this weird narcissistic spiral.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the True Crime Allure:

  • “I think for women, that demographic... who don’t really have predators in the wild, that seems so enthusiastic about it.” (Adam Carolla, 06:27)

• On the Epstein Case:

  • “This is a guy... who had a propensity for youngish girls who would find them in vulnerable situations... incrementally, he kept going younger, younger, younger.” (Chris Hansen, 12:29)

• On Institutional Corruption:

  • “Turns out women are just as corruptible. Turns out blacks are just as corruptible... as long as you’re throwing money at it, everyone’s taking it.” (Adam Carolla, 82:46)

• On Woke Rituals at Public Events:

  • “Can we have one fucking day that we can enjoy without you and your shit all the time?” (Adam Carolla, 88:26)

• On Generational Comedy:

  • “Your daughter will think Christmas Vacation is the funniest movie ever written because she's gonna watch it at 12, and then she's gonna annoy some guy when she's 27 and they're dating and she's making him watch Ladybugs...” (Adam Carolla, 78:32)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• True crime & pop psychology: 02:16–07:29
• Predator mindset & recent stings: 07:29–10:28
• Epstein case deep dive: 10:28–21:29
• Prison, predator compulsion & justice: 25:11–34:54
• Roblox and child exploitation: 43:12–47:44
• CrimeCon, fan engagement: 50:17–53:50
• JonBenet Ramsey, DNA & crime solvability: 53:57–59:17
• Chandra Levy & media failures: 59:17–63:42
• NYC transgender rabbi appointment: 79:10–81:49
• Portland ‘woke’ holiday celebration: 86:50–93:43
• True crime groupies (Luigi Mangione): 96:40–98:28
• Paramore’s concert ban policy: 100:31–103:22

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Tone & Style

The episode is marked by Adam Carolla’s unfiltered, sarcastic observations, Chris Hansen’s seasoned insights into the dark realities of crime and criminal psychology, and Alicia Krause’s dry wit and conservative skew. Discussions are equal parts candid, irreverent, and humorous despite the gravity of many topics.

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Summary

• Chris Hansen brings a behind-the-scenes perspective on crime obsession and predator psychology.
• Epstein’s saga, ongoing coverups, and societal denial receive a careful, insider's dissection.
• Real stories from predator stings, the danger faced by law enforcement and crews, and dark “collateral” consequences for families of criminals provide a chilling window into modern policing and prosecution.
• Large-scale platforms (Roblox) exploit a lack of oversight; kids are at serious risk despite corporate PR claims.
• Satirical news breaks ridicule the growing absurdity of “woke” governance, public ceremonies, and the collapse of traditional standards.
• The underlying message: society is both obsessed with and blind to real peril, while virtue signaling and bureaucracy obscure accountability and dilute merit.

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For listeners who missed the episode:
You'll come away with sharp, sometimes uncomfortable insights into crime, the fragile psychology behind public crises, and the farce often underlying virtue-driven culture wars—all delivered with biting humor and real (if off-color) wisdom.

Transcript

[Adam Carolla]

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[Dawson]

From Corolla One studios in Glendale, California, this is the Adam Carolla Show. Adam's guest today, Chris Hansen. Plus the news with the Washington Examiner's Alicia Krause. And now reminding Mayor Karen Vass to fill the reservoir underneath her tree, Adam carolla, yeah, get it on.

[Adam Carolla]

Got to get on the choice we're gonna mandate. You get it on. Chris Hansen, back in studio.

[Chris Hansen]

Good to be here.

[Adam Carolla]

Always a welcome guest. So much crime, so many hours in the day and it's an obsession with it. Chris was telling me off the air about CrimeCon, which would be like Comic Con. Well, there's every con now, but 10,000 people show up.

[Chris Hansen]

Well, close to that. And these are people who are rabid consumers of the kinds of content I produce as well as many others. The DATELINE guys are there, I'm there. People who investigate crime, you know, detectives, everybody from the crime world shows up at this thing.

[Adam Carolla]

Who are the consumers of the crime? Related material. Like I'm sort of picturing white middle aged women.

[Chris Hansen]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

Is the predominant. Correct.

[Chris Hansen]

This is true. And I'm not sure exactly why that is the predominant audience because personally with the predator investigations, the takedown investigations on True Blue, I have a lot of guys watching that, you know, from age 13 to age 73, women are consumers of it too.

[Adam Carolla]

I think there's this here's my belief. I think we need to have some sense of fear and some sense of jeopardy as an animal, like sort of as a species. And nature used to provide that there were wolves around and to keep at bay. And there was food that would kill everything, would kill you and everything else. And there was no antibiotics. And so you step on something rusty, you could die. Right, right.

[Chris Hansen]

Life was edgy.

[Adam Carolla]

We started pumping in a lot of air conditioning and temperature comforts, Triple glazed windows and patio doors and things like that. And I think people sort of went, well, I'm gonna have to go outside of this to satiate that. And so lots of horror movies and things like that. And I think for women, that demographic is sort of, well, not rich, but comfortable. People who don't really have. They're not staring street crime down the barrel, you know, they're not running serpentine to the mailbox because some gang banger shooting at them or whatever try to.

[Chris Hansen]

Get their check out of the mail.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. They're kind of. They have an appetite for that.

[Chris Hansen]

I think they do. And I think you hit it on the head. It's that. It's the fact that everybody wants to be a detective. Everybody wants to solve the crime. So if you can take people along on this journey of discovery, take them inside the commission of the crime, you know, like we do with the predator investigations, they watch it happen. And then in our case, you see justice meted out and the guy get arrested. You see that in the other crime shows too. And I also think that these stories at the end of the day are a battle between good and evil. Right. These stories are as old as the Bible. And there's always been a fascination from the beginning of humanity with these types of stories. Who wins? Does somebody get away with it? How long does it take to track them down? What went into it? And what don't I know about this case? It's the ultimate mystery to solve.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, I bring this up periodically, but many, many years ago I was interviewing a dominatrix or a mistress, ma', am, whatever, wherever she ran. A place that took guys and beat them and they put a bit in their mouth. They pulled their women around like a cart because they were like a little pony.

[Chris Hansen]

Right? That I don't get.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I know. But I surmise that all the blue collar guys I ever worked with, they would go out and maybe they wanted a prostitute, but they basically wanted the best looking and the cheapest they could find and they'd be happy, but they didn't Want to be beat with a cat of nine tails or put in a diaper.

[Chris Hansen]

They were very focused on their mission. And I worked with those guys too, hauling drywall. They knew where to go, they knew what to do.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. It struck me, I was like, I said to the mistress, I was like, who is your demographic? And it's not poor guys, and it's not longshoremen, it's captains of industry. It's guys that didn't have these problems and now all of a sudden they wanted to be put down and called dumb and dirty and stuff. It's guys who ran whole departments. Because in real life, when you work blue collar jobs, that is your life. You're being put down and your idea of a vacation is going to a casino with a buffet and getting a prostitute. So it strikes me much like the crime solving women, it's not the ones that are in crime ridden areas. It's the ones that don't really have predators in the wild that seem so enthusiastic about it.

[Chris Hansen]

It's intriguing, right? Because you're right, it's not a part of their normal environment. Yes, anybody could be the victim of a crime. And I guess that's what makes some of this so relatable. But it's not a part of their life.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Chris Hansen]

They're not getting their home broken into, generally, their kids are not getting kidnapped. But it could happen online. And so you want to know everything about when it does happen for a couple of different reasons. One, to protect your own household. And two, it's fascinating to go live in that world for a little bit.

[Adam Carolla]

I think the reason this stuff is able to fester is that it's so unthinkable to sort of normally wired people that it's why we got screwed in 9, 11. I've said this all the time. You go, well, what happened? Well, these guys flew an airplane. Who would do that?

[Chris Hansen]

Exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

They would do it in the imagination and go, yeah, but they're in the airplane. They're not gonna fly the airplane into the thing if they're in the airplane. Yes, they are like, no, come on, who would do that? These guys have families.

[Chris Hansen]

These guys would do that.

[Adam Carolla]

You know what I mean? So to lay people, we sit around and go, who would do this? I don't know who would do this? I would never do it. So it seems so exot that it almost gets swept under the rugs.

[Chris Hansen]

Well, I also think when you see somebody committing a crime like this recent sting, we had a doctor, 41 years old, a kidney specialist, he's chatting about.

[Adam Carolla]

Is that the one from the pool party?

[Chris Hansen]

Yes, exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Chris Hansen]

Those were other guys and the pool party guys, right? The whole way. The one of them is saying, is this a Chris Hansen sting? Is this a Chris Hansen sting? Sends the decoy an article from the newspaper saying, you know, the local sheriff works with Chris Hansen sometimes down here and still shows up and there are like two bears in a pool thinking that they just, you know, hit a home run here until I walk out and then the whole party changes.

[Adam Carolla]

God, I would find that so marvelously uncomfortable. I wouldn't know what to do. I'd have weird.

[Chris Hansen]

Jerry Lee.

[Adam Carolla]

Jerry Lee.

[Chris Hansen]

Jerry Lee and Lyric were the two.

[Adam Carolla]

Guys who showed up to the pool party.

[Chris Hansen]

Who showed up to the pool party. Now, the doctor was another strange thing because the guy says he's a doctor. Is he really a doctor? We do the background on him. Maybe he is. He's driving. Is he actually gonna show up? It's the last guy on a three day sting. He would be the 12th or 13th guy to show up over three days. And it's taking forever. And he's lost in traffic. If he's a doctor, how can he be so dense as to not to find the place? Well, just as we're about to give up and he's wearing his fleece that has the medical center where he practices medicine as a kidney specialist on his fleece walks in, he sees the undercover sheriff's employee posing as the girl. Big hug, you know, and sits down on the couch and tries to explain to this alleged 15 year old what he does for a living. Which goes on and on and on until I decide to interrupt the conversation and bring him to the kitchen table.

[Adam Carolla]

I was bringing it. I was speaking about on this show because how things have changed. It reminded me with the Megyn Kelly stuff. And Megyn Kelly was trying to do this sort of inelegantly worded Weinstein thing. She said Barely Legal. Epstein. Sorry. She said Barely Legal. And I was sort of saying, I think she's talking about that magazine, Barely Legal. And then I realized there was a magazine that was popular cold Barely Legal from. I looked it up. 1993 was its inception. But we have. That would not fly today. You could not go to a 711 and buy a version of a magazine called Barely Legal Today.

[Chris Hansen]

People of age posing as children.

[Adam Carolla]

Right?

[Chris Hansen]

I mean, to me that's like AI child porn.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Chris Hansen]

And there's a reason why that's illegal. But the Epstein case, I mean, we are still my wife and I went to an awards dinner for a group called Child usa, and their job is to lobby in different states to make sure that the statute of limitations doesn't run out on victims like the victims of the Epstein case. And we're gonna have some of these survivors and some of the people who represent them on my podcast. Have a seat with Chris Hansen. Coming up. But there is still a lot we don't know about the Epstein case.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, what's your head on it? As someone who knows the territory pretty well, I happily know nothing about this subject. And I know that when somebody gets sexually molested or abused or something, they end up taking it out sexually. Oftentimes, you oftentimes create another piece, another generation of bees. That's the insidious part of this. But I don't know. The whole Epstein thing, I have no thoughts about. I really don't know anything.

[Chris Hansen]

This is a guy based upon what I've seen and I've followed it. I'm not by any means the Epstein expert. That's up to Julie K. Brown and the team at the Miami Herald who broke all this stuff and got these survivors to speak out, which allowed the federal government, the U.S. attorney's office in the Southern District of New York to prosecute these cases. The fact that they were able to get these people to speak out, they thought that they would never get their say because this guy was so wealthy and so powerful and was so on the inside with all these people. I remember the 2008 case. He basically got a slap on the wrist. He had to do weekends in the county jail. And then he gets out and he's accepted by all these people. But this is a guy who had a propensity for youngish girls who would find them in vulnerable situations. Ghislaine Maxwell, recruiting in some cases, in others, and get them in and say, okay, you're just going to be a massage therapist, Right? And then incrementally, in order to get excited, he kept going younger, younger, younger, younger. So the first rap on him was, okay, these girls were right on the edge of being legal and they're being paid for their services. It's grotesque. But maybe it wasn't a classic predator case, but it was. And it built to that because he had underage girls in there who were abused who were not believed, because a wealthy, powerful guy would say, she's lying. Didn't happen.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, he was connected as well.

[Chris Hansen]

He was connected. Well, look at all the Prince Andrew stuff.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Chris Hansen]

I mean, he's toast now. He thought he was Gonna get away with it. And that interview he did with the.

[Adam Carolla]

BBC several years ago, you talking about.

[Chris Hansen]

A couple years ago was disastrous. Yeah, well, talk about the height of arrogance.

[Adam Carolla]

He made one point. One point in that. I don't know her in the.

[Chris Hansen]

How about that picture over there?

[Adam Carolla]

Falklands island campaign or whatever he was in. He did explain that he lost his ability to produce sweat. He couldn't sweat, which is an interesting thing, but I just thought the one chance he had was, look, if I could sweat, don't you think I'd be sweating right now? Because you got a light and a camera in my face and we're sitting there talking about me being a pedophile, essentially. But that was years ago. I mean, that was eight or 10 years ago or something. Now then he sort of hung around and now he's gone.

[Chris Hansen]

Well, he's not in the Tower of London or something. He's not in the Tower of London, but he's living, you know, in the in laws quarters, you know, off property.

[Adam Carolla]

It is funny when you have a job where essentially you just have to move quarters. Yeah, I lived in my dad's garage in North Hollywood, but that wasn't me shifting quarters per se. But so who do you think? You know, you look, first off, you look at the flight logs, and as a guy who's flown on Mark Garrigus plane two dozen times, sometimes with him and sometimes without him, I can tell you, nobody says no to a free private flight.

[Chris Hansen]

Well, I think that's why I will not lured some of these people.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I'm not gonna judge Tom Hanks or whomever for being on a flight, a free flight, because I've done it a million times. You don't vet the person's scruples and morals. There's plain. I need to go. Thanks for the wreck.

[Chris Hansen]

I'm sure, you know, had people known about it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, but going to the island is different than catching a ride somewhere else.

[Chris Hansen]

Well, that's exactly right. Or if you're going to an AIDS conference in Africa, there's some good reason to be going there. And again, that first case, you know, the case where he did the, you know, the country club county jail sentence, where he got the sweetheart deal. That was not highly publicized. No, I mean, it was around there. I remember in 2015, 2016, some guys and former law enforcement guys who were working for lawyers in this case, I had several meetings with them and I tried to figure out a way to formulate a sting to see if we could do something and expose this guy, if in fact he was continuing this activity, which they suggested he was. But the layers of security and to get in and to figure it out, it just, it wasn't feasible to do. I was thinking too big about it, as opposed to doing what the Miami Herald did was just chipping away, chipping away, chipping away and getting these interviews and getting these people to go on the record, that was the way to go about that particular story. There wasn't an element, at least that I could come up with at the time 10 years ago where we could do a hidden camera type investigation.

[Adam Carolla]

And what's your take on the sort of politicizing of it? Like there's all kinds of talk about the Democrats don't want it to come out, the Republicans don't want it to come out. Well, why didn't Biden release it when he was in charge then if they wanted to come out? Like, are there names on there and are there names that are going to be eye opening to people or have we already sort of thrown the names around?

[Chris Hansen]

I think the names have been thrown around. Now, I could be surprised on this. And as I mentioned, we're digging around in it to see if there's anything more that's shocking, surprising or that people need to know about. And if I come across it, you'll be among the first to hear about it. But I think a lot of it has been out there, at least talked about and already been in the press. You know, it's not every investigation, not every investigation conducted by the FBI. Do they at some point release all the files.

[Adam Carolla]

Right, right.

[Chris Hansen]

There's been this hue and cry in this particular case because there are suspicions on both sides. And yes, both sides are politicizing it.

[Adam Carolla]

Do they in your experience? One doesn't dabble in this. It's kind of a thing, right? Like it's your thing or it's not your thing?

[Chris Hansen]

Well, it's a thing for Jeffrey Epstein and it's a thing for some of the others involved in it. But if you're on the periphery in the Palm beach world and all you know is that there's a multimillionaire close to a billionaire who's a bachelor and he's got a private jet, he's got an island, if you're another single guy who's wealthy, you might nose around and see what this guy's got going on. Now, once you find out that it's evil and it involves the exploitation of underage girls, then you have some duty to blow the whistle at the Very least to disassociate yourself, which is what Donald Trump has always said that he did. Once he figured out this was creepy stuff, he got out of it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I mean, it's a thing. You'll notice guys have a preference. Like I was thinking about John Derek. John Derek. I don't know exactly what it was. A film director married Bo Derek. Bo Derek's name's Bo Derek because she was a 10. She was a 10. A funny movie back in the day. But the point is, when you look at Linda Evans and all the people he dated, they look like carbon copies of each other. And they would age out and then he'd kick out the 38 year old and get the 18 year old. Right, Right. But you go, I know what that guy's into. And that's what it is. And it didn't shift that much. It's not like, well, in between he dated Whoopi Goldberg and then he went back to Linda Evans. Type. He just had a type, you know, and guys are gay guys are straight guys are boob guys and ass guys.

[Chris Hansen]

Guys like blondes, guys like redheads. They have a type.

[Adam Carolla]

And I would say Trump's type are great looking model women. Blonde usually. But usually if you've been in the public eye for a long time, you kind of declare a major and your type starts to. Robert De Niro dates African American women.

[Chris Hansen]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

So that's his type. Okay, fine, he's type. But I don't know if you can hang out in the public eye for 40 years and be into underage chicks and have it not form a theme at some point.

[Chris Hansen]

It's criminal activity.

[Adam Carolla]

Right, Right. So we knew what Epstein was up to, but I'm looking for a theme with the other guys. And Trump's theme is just sort of Euro hot.

[Chris Hansen]

Right. And look, no one has said to me or no one has said to anyone who's in my business who's reported on it, that Trump engaged in this, this sort of thing. I think he just, you know what happens sometimes is these guys say, we're gonna, once we get into power, we're gonna release it all, we're gonna do it all and gets. Everybody gets the base all wound up and then they get there and they're expecting all this stuff, you know, almost like a pizza gate type thing.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Chris Hansen]

And when they get there, there's no more there than what we already knew about.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Chris Hansen]

And then there's this disappointment and allegations of a cover up and what are they hiding and. And now they've said go ahead and release all this stuff and we'll see if that happens.

[Adam Carolla]

Do you think he killed himself in his prison cell?

[Chris Hansen]

I do.

[Adam Carolla]

You do?

[Chris Hansen]

I do.

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[Adam Carolla]

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[Chris Hansen]

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[Chris Hansen]

Yeah, sure, I've met him. Michael Bowden.

[Adam Carolla]

The best. It was a series. Maybe it was on HBO back in the day. I'm trying to think all the macabre, crazy stories. But the best was the sort of professor with the young bride. And she died young. And he exhumed her and brought her back.

[Chris Hansen]

I remember that.

[Adam Carolla]

And was like reanimating her as best he could, turned into a sex doll, essentially. And some point they found out what he was doing and they went and buried her again. And he went and got her again and they were just sort of matter of factly discussing what he was doing, but something with a silk sleeve in the vaginal tube or something like that. Like, it was as creepy.

[Chris Hansen]

How do you even think that up? You know, I mean, that's a broken, dark, twisted human being. And by the way, I've seen that scenario before in local news and afterwards reporting. People have exhumed on their own dead bodies and used them in ritualistic sexual ways.

[Adam Carolla]

It's kind of a thing, it's unimaginable.

[Chris Hansen]

To most of us, but it's happened.

[Adam Carolla]

It's kind of the Aaron Hernandez thing, which is like, you go, that guy is a young, hot NFL star, good looking, rich, big contract. What's he doing with these gang bangers and do. And it's like, that's who he is, man.

[Chris Hansen]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

That's the answer. That's who he is. And this guy's, you know, he'll throw it all away to be. He's got a career, he's a physician, he's noted in the community. Why would you. It's always, why would you risk. And it's like, that's what it is.

[Chris Hansen]

You can't help it. No, I think at some level you're right.

[Adam Carolla]

No, that's what. But also, I feel like the sexual compunction part of life transcends all that. I mean, people don't take, you know, they go, I'm not going to drive without auto insurance. Like, I'm not doing it. I can't take that. What if somebody got hurt and I got, I got my home taken away or something. They'll, they'll be pretty responsible. Many facets of life, like the doctor may have been.

[Chris Hansen]

Well, I.

[Adam Carolla]

But when it comes to this.

[Chris Hansen]

Yeah. These guys compartmentalize too.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Chris Hansen]

I mean, they have their freak. You know, they do this and they operate in a, you know, regular part of life. I mean, look at this coach in Virginia.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. What is that story?

[Chris Hansen]

Well, the story is that he's a high school. It's a high school in Virginia. And he had an undefeated season. He's been in the football program for many years. His son came through the system. I think his dad was a coach, sports coach, in the same, in the same jurisdiction. And as they're wrapping up this undefeated season, suddenly law enforcement wants to talk to him about allegations of having child pornography and Solicitation of a minor online. So they're going over there to interview the guy, and he disappears. We now hear that he went off into the woods with a gun. So I'm doing the criminal math here. I suspect they're gonna find a body someplace.

[Adam Carolla]

Travis Turner's his name.

[Chris Hansen]

Yes, Travis Turner, exactly. And so the worried, grief stricken wife is trying to figure out what the hell is going on. The school district's trying to figure out what the heck's going on. And his poor kids are trying to figure out and come to terms with.

[Adam Carolla]

His players or his kids.

[Chris Hansen]

He has children of his own. He's been happily married for 25 years. So imagine that poor woman. This is what I always talk about, the collateral damage. What happens to the wife, the girlfriend, the children of these guys that get caught up in my investigations. And that's what really rocks me and disturbs me the most. These people are left to pick up this mess that this guy was able to create and leave them in the wake of.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, here's a weird, philosophical hypothetical question. Would you have more respect for a guy just went off to the woods and killed himself, leaving his kids behind, versus a guy who just brought it to trial, thus putting his kids through the trial, essentially, and having to deal with that situation?

[Chris Hansen]

I have mixed emotions about that. I understand that it might be a noble thing to say, look, I'm a horrible human being. I'm gonna end my life and save my family. The grief of going through this process, I think the criminal justice system and the victims, the survivors, are left without justice because he was not held accountable and forced to go to prison and deal with the scenario that these guys often deal with, which is the true punishment and the true measure of justice, I think, for these guys who commit these crimes, I mean, you know, they're treated in a more efficient way in prison.

[Adam Carolla]

Is there any such thing as a guy entering the penal system and not having everybody in the prison know what he was in for?

[Chris Hansen]

I don't think that happens.

[Adam Carolla]

It doesn't. But why can't. Why isn't it doable?

[Chris Hansen]

Because everybody wants to know. You talk to JD Delay, right? He's a content creator. I've had him on my shows. He's great. Guy spent a decade and a half in crime and cleaned up his life, got it together. He'll tell you stories about prison. The first thing these guys do is, where's your papers? What are you in for? And they want to know. We had a guy, remember the rabbi, got caught in one of the Early Predator investigations. He goes to federal prison for six and a half years. Bench, trial. They find him guilty, and nobody really knows what he did. Well, all the inmates are in the cafeteria watching Predator Raw, the extended versions that show on msnbc. And his episode comes up.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, boy.

[Chris Hansen]

So he had a rough go after they figured that out.

[Adam Carolla]

I just. It's.

[Chris Hansen]

It.

[Adam Carolla]

I find it interesting that in prisons, you know, they got cell phones, they get drugs. Everyone knows your rap sheet. Like, it's. It's. It's insane what Will Will do, you know, like, you cannot. You go, wait a minute. Why do these guys have cell phones? Like, well, they bribe the guard, the guard brings them in.

[Chris Hansen]

Mark Garagos about this. I had him on my show, and we talked about the Menendez brothers and the infraction that, you know, is perhaps slowing down that process. And I was shocked, Right. It takes a lot to shock me, but I was shocked at how prevalent the cell phones are in the prison system. Apparently, it's sort of like a winking, an odd secret that these. You know, if these inmates aren't causing problems in other ways, they will be able to sneak in a cell phone, and they'll be able to communicate or text or do whatever with the outside.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, somebody made sense of something once when I was talking to somebody, prison guard or something, and I just said, conjugal visits. Like, Tex Watson had four kids from inside the joint. I think he sired four kids. He's a Manson killer, right? And he has four kids. I go, I don't like that conjugal visit. I don't want this guy having kids inside. And the one. Only time anyone ever made sense of it, they go, the guard or whatever went, I know you don't like it, but it keeps them. Right? Because if a, you know, keeps them from boiling over, but B, we get to use it. Like, you get out of. We're gonna cancel your conjugal visit.

[Chris Hansen]

Yeah. It's like having the death penalty for certain crimes. The prosecutor has a tool say, look, you can plead guilty to this. I do this, or we're gonna go to trial with the death penalty up to you. It's a hammer over a criminal's head.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. The Luigi Mangioni things going on out there right now. And the latest is they went through his backpack. They didn't get a warrant. But then the rule for those who want to know is anything within your reach, that can kind of go through. And it makes sense because he could add explosives in his backpack.

[Chris Hansen]

Exactly. Well, let me give you an Example, the same sting that we did in Louisiana where the doctor showed up and the pool party guy showed up, a young Guy walked in, 20 years old, who's going to exploit a child? Came in, did the huggy, huggy thing, had the conversation. And you're sitting there talking to him as the father to young men who are older than him. You could start to, God, did this kid make a one off mistake? Am I being too hard on the kid? And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, back and forth. And we go through the whole interview, he gets taken away. He brought a backpack with him. And guess what was in the bottom of that backpack when they searched it after they arrested him. Sitting on the table the whole time I was talking to him. A loaded.38 pistol.

[Adam Carolla]

Right?

[Chris Hansen]

Right. So what does he do with that? Number one to anybody on the set. Right. He wouldn't have got a shot off because we have designed this for security reasons. But I think about, you know, what would he have done had he been alone with a child and he wanted to make a porn video with her and it didn't go his way and he's got this gun, does he force her, does he shoot her, does he kidnap her? What does he do? But the point of the story was there was a gun in that backpack. There was a gun in this backpack. And the police have a right to take a look if they think there's potential danger there. I don't think. Look, he's got a stellar defense team and they're gonna give him everything they've got reputationally. And I get the sense that they're being paid a whole lot of money to do it. So they're gonna fight the prosecution at every turn. But at the end of the day, and I've covered a lot of trials, I don't think there's anything there that gets overturned or any significant evidence that gets suppressed.

[Adam Carolla]

In this case, you said you guys have security at your things and that guy wouldn't have gotten a shot off. How does that work?

[Chris Hansen]

Well, the first rule of securities, you don't discuss security. But suffice it to say that, you know, barriers are set up, people are in places that would protect both me and everybody else on the set. And it's designed to have as much control as you can have. Now, look, the edgy nature of this obviously is part of what makes it so insanely popular. You're watching the commission of a felony. You're watching the confrontation of somebody who's just committed the felony. You watch their, their body and listen to the things they say and, you know, we go back and forth. There's a dark sense of humor to it and I will be a smart ass with these guys sometimes if they try to get that way with me. But the danger, you know, the inherent danger to it is part of what makes it popular. But we've, you know, as best as we can, made it as safe as it can possibly be.

[Adam Carolla]

What's your take on P. Diddy? I don't know if we talked since the sentencing.

[Chris Hansen]

We were sitting here the day they raided his houses in Los Angeles. I remember because I got a text and we started talking about it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I mean, he's got a couple more years. It looks like he got into trouble as well inside the joint for. I'm trying to think what, having some material or something like that.

[Chris Hansen]

I think he had a cell phone.

[Adam Carolla]

And more cell phone stuff, but what's your head on that?

[Chris Hansen]

Well, I think he was a really bad guy doing bad stuff. Right. That video came out, him beating Cassie, and obviously that encouraged law enforcement to step it up. In many of these cases, whether it's R. Kelly or any of these other high profile cases. Bill Cosby, the civil suits are a template for a criminal investigation. So in this case, Homeland Security and the other investigators were, you know, they were handed a great criminal case because of all the information that was in the. In the civil cases. So they went out and they took what they took. And I think they, you know, did they overcharge him? Is it difficult for a jury to come to grips on a racketeering charge when there's only one person charged, when the essence of racketeering is conspiring with others?

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Chris Hansen]

Yeah, I think that was a hard thing for this jury to digest. Man act and other things. Now, you know, look, they convicted him on what they thought they could convict him of those crimes and that's it. But those crimes carry, you know, pretty light sentences for somebody who's not been convicted of a crime before. So if you look at, if you take the horrible beating video out of it and all the talk of, you know, forced sex and hiring prostitutes to do things to people that would physically harm them for his prurient satisfaction and interest, yeah, it's horrible, it's gross, and he's a bad human being. But at the end of the day, there are crimes for which he was committed and there are penalties that are structured into the law. And I think what we saw was a reasonable sentence from a reasonable judge based upon the convictions that were rendered against Him?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. He got into trouble for being on a three way phone call. And I knew it was something with a phone, but I was like, it's not cell phone. He somehow was talking to his lawyer and his lawyer patched somebody else in or something, which I thought it was.

[Chris Hansen]

Involved with a cell phone, but. But I couldn't.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, you had the phone call part, right. It was somehow. It's illegal to have a three way phone call.

[Chris Hansen]

Well, because all prison calls are monitored. And so if you circumvent that monitoring, which is why they. At least the law, the rules are they can't monitor it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, it seemed like they got over their skis in terms of prosecuting him. And then it was sort of like, it's always a weird position. Like if you ever find yourself in court and your attorney stands up and goes, look, Chris Hansen may be a world class ass wife, but there's no law against being a bad dude. You know, you have to sort of sit there and go like, yeah, you.

[Chris Hansen]

Gotta listen to all the stuff. But it's, you know, the jury that.

[Adam Carolla]

Was sort of the case. There's no law against just being a horrible person. And we'd like to put him in there for that. But the man act stuff, I mean, from a guy who lives in LA and has been to Vegas 200,000 times in an amount. There used to be a Southwest flight just called the stripper flight. Fridays at noon or whatever, all the strippers would fly out of LA and go to Vegas. And if you took one of them back to Sherman Oaks or something, now there's a man act going on. It seemed a little. He seemed like a bad guy, but it also just seemed a little crazy to me.

[Chris Hansen]

Overcharging.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. And it also seemed like they were trying. They want to get some pelts and they want to make a name for themselves. Right.

[Chris Hansen]

Look, if they want to indict you, they can go to a grand jury and indict you. You can get a grand jury to do just about whatever you want. You got to get it to trial.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, it worked. What worries me is the Mike Naifung Duke lacrosse thing where they just go, look, I'm running for election. This would look good.

[Chris Hansen]

Well, that was an extreme case.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes, it was an extreme case.

[Chris Hansen]

I remember when Ed Bradley of 60 Minutes did the seminal story on that. And arguably he was the only guy who had the credibility for a lot of reasons to really do it.

[Adam Carolla]

Ed Bradley.

[Chris Hansen]

Ed Bradley is 60 Minutes.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, black. So it made sense.

[Chris Hansen]

So anyway, he took on the da. And he interviewed the kids. And the kids and their lawyers took a risk by talking to any reporter, but they did, and he laid this thing bare. And I remember asking one of my producers who used to work at 60 Minutes for his email because I wanted to send him a note because it was an exceptional piece of journalism and it was gutsy at a time when people are like, oh, well, these guys are jocks and they're over. They're doing stuff they shouldn't be doing, and this fat boy thing has to be punished. And all that's true. And they shouldn't have been doing what they're doing. But they didn't rape a girl.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Chris Hansen]

You know, they shouldn't have a stripper at a house off campus. That's, you know, that's bad judgment. But they didn't commit a crime.

[Adam Carolla]

Right?

[Chris Hansen]

And Ed Bradley laid that out and he graciously wrote me right back. And it was not long before he passed away and, you know, said, thank you, and we chit. Chatted back and forth, but it was. It was. That was outrageous.

[Adam Carolla]

Ed Bradley. Now I gotta figure it out. But in the pantheon of old guys who decided to get a ear piercing late in life, and then Harrison Ford was probably watching that interview with Mike Nifong going like, hey, man, that old timer looks pretty good with an earring. Because most guys don't make that move in their 60s. It's something you do when you're 19 or 20 or something.

[Chris Hansen]

But, you know, it never bothered me that Ed Bradley did it. When Ed Bradley did it, it was cool. If I was going to do it, it looked douchey.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, I'm trying to think who you trump. I'm trying to think like, who would be the worst with an earring?

[Chris Hansen]

It'd just look goofy.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Chris Hansen]

Now, once in college, 100 years ago, I forget what we were doing, but people would involve vodka and probably some other stuff. And the next thing I knew, a girlfriend had a. On a bet, it pierced my ear, which I wore a earring for 10 minutes and a bet. And yeah, it was on a bet.

[Adam Carolla]

She did the one where she iced it up.

[Chris Hansen]

And I think it was iced in a potato or an apple on the other end. Just put some alcohol, probably vodka on it. Just boom, right through it.

[Adam Carolla]

Nice.

[Chris Hansen]

I had it for a minute and I decided it was silly, and it all healed up, and that was the end of that.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, let's try to think who's one of the best. Jimi Hendrix. Good earring wearer. Yes.

[Chris Hansen]

Good earring.

[Adam Carolla]

I believe I'm looking at you, Dawson. Lead singer from Thin Lizzy.

[Dawson]

Phil Lynett.

[Adam Carolla]

Phil Lynett probably wore good earrings.

[Chris Hansen]

Well, Keith Richards occasionally.

[Adam Carolla]

Keith Richards.

[Dawson]

Where?

[Adam Carolla]

Anybody. Anyone who can pass as a pirate. Looks pretty good. Phil line.

[Dawson]

It looks a lot like Johnny Depp in that kind of scene.

[Chris Hansen]

Johnny Depp pulls it off. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. Chris Hansen. No. Bill Belichick.

[Chris Hansen]

No.

[Adam Carolla]

No.

[Chris Hansen]

Unless the gal wanted him to do it.

[Adam Carolla]

He'll share later. Ah, yeah. You should pay a visit to his house. Yeah, Yeah. I mean, there's Phil now. You wore it well. That's a good. That's a good earring call right there. Yeah. Then there's a band called Golden Earring, but I bet their lead singer didn't have a golden earring. How could you know Lizzie had an earring?

[Chris Hansen]

Golden Earring. I remember that band.

[Adam Carolla]

So I'm trying to think, like, who. Who would be Jed Clampett? Would be. Would be bad. We can't just. We can't just keep picking white guys, though. We gotta spread it around a little bit. I don't. You know, I think Obama could pull off a small stud, but just. It would have to be tasteful. Couldn't be a big hoot.

[Chris Hansen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know.

[Chris Hansen]

Not with an Oxford suit. He wears such nice clothes.

[Adam Carolla]

It would be weird to have the.

[Chris Hansen]

Earring with him, I think.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. All right. Are you familiar with this new thing that's going on, this Roblox?

[Chris Hansen]

Roblox. Roblox, which is an insanely popular gaming platform specifically marketed to children as young as five years old. The characters in these different games look like LEGO characters. And it's a platform where you can go to play games. It's a platform where you can create a game and put it on there. And it's been around about 15 years. We've been working on an investigation for about six, eight months now at True Blue, my streaming crime network. And what we've uncovered is shocking. There's been a lot of reporting about this, too. And the company has claimed that they're making security advances. But what was going on historically is that predators knew and know all these children are there. And they can go to different games and rooms and meet children, and they can give them Roblox currency Robux and induce them into doing all kinds of things, creating, annoyingly creating child pornography, getting them to do stuff to their children. And it's so rampant. In one county in Florida, in Marion County, Florida, there was a case where a Young man was arrested for exploiting at least a dozen children on Roblox. And in the Same county, a 10 year old girl was victimized by a predator on Roblox who was operating from the uk. So this is just in one little county in Florida and it's going on everywhere. I interviewed a guy who's 30 years old and he was exploited on Roblox 15 years ago. And he's a former Marine. This guy can deadlift 200 or 607 pounds, excuse me, 716 pounds. And he was brought to tears talking about how he was groomed and exploited by somebody on Roblox. And so you know Roblox, which has been on a PR offensive. They did a in 2000 times podcast the other day and it was disastrous. And I'm trying to get them to sit down and talk to me. So far they've refused. They don't want to answer my questions.

[Adam Carolla]

In 2024 they made $3.6 billion in revenue. How do they make their money?

[Chris Hansen]

They make their money through a lot of different ways. But they, you know, people go on there. There's obviously advertising and there's licensing fees and all kinds of different things that people have access to there. And when you use Robux and there's a transaction, they take 35%. So there is a scenario where if somebody paid a child for child porn or paid something for child porn and they did it with Robux, Roblox would get a 35% vig on that transaction.

[Adam Carolla]

Robux, which is the currency.

[Chris Hansen]

Correct.

[Adam Carolla]

And Roblox is the company. Where are they out of?

[Chris Hansen]

San Mateo, California.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, so they're local boys. And you said they did a sit.

[Chris Hansen]

Down with, with the New York Times podcast and they. In other words, I've been in discussions with them for months now and I had a Roblox press person tell me, I'm not going to put my guy out there with you because you've obviously interviewed this young guy named Michael Schlepp who's been a advocate.

[Adam Carolla]

The Marine.

[Chris Hansen]

No, no, no, this is someone else. This is a young man, 22 year old and he's wildly popular on social media. In fact, we did a roblox panel at CrimeCon earlier this year in Denver and the Schlepkid went to Roblox and said, look, this is going on. Let me be a part of the solution. He ended up catching a bunch of predators. What did Roblox do? They banned him from the site. As opposed to saying, you could be our emissary and help us do this. So they told me because I interviewed Michael Schlepp and because I interviewed the attorney general for the state of Louisiana, which has sued Roblox, along with three other attorneys general, including the one in Florida, which has launched a criminal probe. So this is getting very serious now. They said, well, no, it's a hit piece. We're not going to do it. So now I'm in the position where I've got to consider a spontaneous interview with a representative of the company.

[Adam Carolla]

Is that sort of waiting in the parking lot?

[Chris Hansen]

Maybe.

[Adam Carolla]

Would you like some sweet tea and toll house cookies?

[Chris Hansen]

Yeah.

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[Adam Carolla]

I was just thinking of Crime Con and I realized it's a great event.

[Chris Hansen]

I'm exhausted.

[Adam Carolla]

But I'm also picturing all these cons. Comic Con. You have to dress up in an outfit. So they got a bunch of Lizzie Bordens running around.

[Chris Hansen]

What are they dress regular clothes, street clothes.

[Adam Carolla]

Nobody does. They're gonna start theming out. That's where it goes.

[Chris Hansen]

Well, you know, there's a crime Con cruise.

[Adam Carolla]

You're getting the Menendez twins in there. You're em all right.

[Chris Hansen]

The only cruise I've ever gone on was the Crimecon cruise last year.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, wow.

[Chris Hansen]

So they do a cruise and the guys who red seat and the guys who run it, they're not only genius businessmen, but they're really good guys. They know what they're doing. That's the platform where my podcasts are. Fox bought it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Chris Hansen]

Megyn Kelly's there, all that. And so when they ask you to do something, because they've done so much for me, you tend to do it. Now, I'm not a big cruise guy, but I'll tell you, you can make fun of it, but the connection that you make with the people who consume your content is so organic and so close. My wife and I were on this cruise, right? We stopped for coffee someplace, and you see two people come up who are obviously physically challenged, husband and challenge husband and wife on their scooters. And they said hello. And we took some time. We were chatting with them. These people left their home in Alabama in their van, had to load up their scooters, go to the thing, go through all the stuff that somebody who's physically challenged has to go through to get on a cruise to hear guys like me talk. Well, then you better be on your best behavior and you better do your job, because these are the kind of people who are supporting you.

[Adam Carolla]

I've done fan curses. I like it.

[Chris Hansen]

I don't do that stuff.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I never.

[Chris Hansen]

But it hit me in a way. I've always been very thankful to the people who follow me from local news. 50, 45 years. But this particular moment got me in a way that almost makes me tear up. I mean, these people are just salt of the earth, wonderful people. You know, money people could do whatever they want. They didn't have to go to Crimecon crews. They did it because they appreciated the work that we do for them.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. I never really get the celebrity. And it could be a musician, but it could be a comedian or whomever who has some sort of, I don't know, mild disdain for their fans. I don't get it at all.

[Chris Hansen]

I'm appreciative without those people.

[Adam Carolla]

No, I agree. I think the way.

[Chris Hansen]

How did you have the number one podcast? Because everybody wants to. All those people want to listen to you.

[Adam Carolla]

I agree. And people do that. Oh, I know. It's such a hassle after the show. Pictures and stuff. I got taking pictures. That's awesome.

[Chris Hansen]

That's the worst thing you have to do. I mean, live in the moment. Make them feel special. Thank them for their support.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. And then they'll usually. It's weird because they'll tell you what big fans they are and they'll actually make you feel better. And so you're not really doing them a favor. They're doing you a favor. Cause they're telling you how much they love you.

[Chris Hansen]

Also, people are watching you when you don't know they're watching you. And it reminds you to be a good human in general. Even when you're not at crimecon talking to fans, even when you're going to the Michigan State football game and you're supposed to be next in line, but you let the people go instead. All that adds up.

[Adam Carolla]

I agree.

[Chris Hansen]

Into the soup of support that feeds us in this business.

[Adam Carolla]

It seems almost impossible to pull off a crime these days with science, DNA. Not to mention just ring doorbell everywhere.

[Chris Hansen]

How about you being surveilled? I mean, how many times do you think you were on a camera on your way to the student?

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know that you could make it nine feet without being filmed. Like, they literally show the only person they can't find is the guy put the bomb at the DNC headquarters. That's the only person we can't find. And the Unabomber. But that was pre. All of this technology. So you just. You're not gonna get away with it these days. It doesn't mean they're not gonna try. But I'm trying to think of, like, what crimes or would have been pretty easily solvable. Like the famous one with the Navy surgeon doctor killed. Accused of killing his wife and family. Whatever.

[Chris Hansen]

Yeah. Army surgeon.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. Army surgeon.

[Chris Hansen]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

That thing always perplexed everybody all the time. Give me the name of that case. Right.

[Chris Hansen]

Twice, I think. Then they convicted him the second time around.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. But that the neighbor would have the ring doorbell. And would see the hippies coming in with the knives and it'd be done. Right. What was that story, Doctor? Famous. Super famous murder.

[Chris Hansen]

Movies on it?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, movies on it. Everything on it but those. Let's see. Let's see. He was accused of murder of his, Jeffrey McDonald. Jeffrey McDonald, former USA army captain, physician, convicted 1970 murders pregnant wife, Colette, and their two young daughters. And he. I think he is Fort Bragg. He claims some, like, marauding bikers came in and broke his. I think that's kind of where the fugitive started.

[Chris Hansen]

Well, exactly. But even in more modern cases, I mean, you know, JonBenet Ramsey, well, I mean, that's 95, 96. And, you know, Boulder's a modern town, but, you know, maybe had there been the surveillance in place on that Christmas Eve, that we'd have 30 years later.

[Adam Carolla]

Shit, that seems like almost the last of the ones that'll just never be solved.

[Chris Hansen]

I think that that will be solved.

[Adam Carolla]

You do?

[Chris Hansen]

John Ramsey has appeared at CrimeCon. And I've gotten to know him. And as a father and as a guy who covers this sort of thing, my heart breaks for him because he and his wife and even his son were under such a microscope, and there was such. So poorly investigated, that case was. And poorly prosecuted in the beginning. And there was a delay in testing this DNA that's been in existence for all these years. And he's said, look, I'll pay for it. But can you imagine being under that shadow as a parent who's grieving and can't get justice? Now, there are two or three suspects that people have always talked about in that case.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, one of them is a son, right?

[Chris Hansen]

No, no. He came under scrutiny, but I'm convinced that no one in that family had anything to do.

[Adam Carolla]

No, I'm saying as a parent, I have boy, girl, twins. Right. If somebody murdered my daughter, then it would be horrific, but. But if somebody murdered my daughter and then accused my son or me of it, then it would go even further. The horrific happened here.

[Chris Hansen]

The son had nothing to do with it, nor did the father, nor the mother. This was an outside. I'm convinced it was an outside deal. And I think ultimately, I mean, he's out there beating the drum on this thing. You know, he's close to 80 years old, I think.

[Adam Carolla]

I mean, it's been 30 years, right? Right. Yeah. Well.

[Chris Hansen]

You talk about a miscarriage of justice.

[Adam Carolla]

So your theory, somebody broke in.

[Chris Hansen]

I think there were two or three possible suspects in the area who were predators, who had the criminal profile of somebody who could do this. And again, I'm not an expert on this case, but I reviewed enough of it and talked to enough people and have spent enough time with John to believe with some sense of certainty that it was an outsider who came in. It might have been stalking her, might have been somebody who was following her, somebody who was infatuated with this child, but who committed this crime. And the DNA has gone untested or not properly tested for three decades now.

[Adam Carolla]

Why is that?

[Chris Hansen]

They claim that it's because there was such a, a small amount left to test that if they didn't have the proper technology or anything went wrong, they'd lose the opportunity. So they want to save it until technology caught up with it. That's my understanding. John Ramsey has said, look, the technology is there now and you're worried that you're going to be that the culprit was here all along and you muffed this case and so you're slow walking me. And there's been a change in leadership and the state and local law enforcement. Now's the time to do it.

[Adam Carolla]

The crazy case, I think it's the Chandra Levy case.

[Chris Hansen]

I remember that case well, I'll tell.

[Adam Carolla]

You the part, the congressman that I remember. Yeah, that was Gary Condit, I think.

[Chris Hansen]

Gary Condit.

[Adam Carolla]

The part that I remember most is speaking of DAs, I think there was a female or somebody. It could have been the mayor, could have been the DA, could have been whatever in D.C. but so Chandra Levy is an intern for the Congressman. For the congressman and they're having a romantically linked liaison and she goes jogging in the park and is never seen again. And then some point they find her body. Meanwhile, all attention turns toward the congressman saying, well, this guy had her taken out because he was married, family, career, blah, blah, blah, lot to lose. They at some point found out that there was a guy who was in jail for pulling somebody off a jogging trail at the same park and raping them and trying to kill them by the side of the jogging trail. So that seemed like possibly that guy could have done it, cuz that was his mo. And then at some point there's a press conference and I've seen it, but I can't find it again. Right. I don't know if it's the DA or the mayor or something, but they came out and they went, don't even think about this guy that's in prison.

[Chris Hansen]

Well, that was the guy who did it though.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I know.

[Chris Hansen]

He was convicted of the crime, ultimately.

[Adam Carolla]

I know. But the point is the DA And. Or the mayor had a presser to say, yes, there's a guy incarcerated currently who did the exact same thing to another female jogger, but don't even look that direction. We're going after Gary Connit. And I was like, are you guys.

[Chris Hansen]

Interested in law justice here?

[Adam Carolla]

And yes, it was a. And I think the guy may have been illegal too, which probably didn't help them in whatever theme they're trying to do.

[Chris Hansen]

I don't know if that was the same issue then that it is now.

[Adam Carolla]

No, it was.

[Chris Hansen]

The Chandra Levy case was 97, 98.

[Adam Carolla]

It was nearly not what it is now, but it still wasn't. Whatever their theme was, it wasn't good. It wasn't good for them. So they just sort of said, stay away and focus on this other thing. And it was a funny thing. I remember watching the presser in real time and they're going, don't even think about this guy. I'm thinking about him because it seems like.

[Chris Hansen]

Well, the criminal math seems to add up. And in fact, ultimately, that was the guy, right?

[Adam Carolla]

Yep, that was the guy. And I don't know what happened to Condit, but I do know that when this all went down was also right around 9 11.

[Chris Hansen]

And he just got. Just before.

[Adam Carolla]

He just got. Yeah, but they made a big. Whatever. He got swept right off the front page. He just went. Everything went away.

[Chris Hansen]

I was at Dateline at the time and it was.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, him.

[Chris Hansen]

And every night.

[Adam Carolla]

Paula Poundstone.

[Chris Hansen]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

Remember that one?

[Chris Hansen]

Yeah, I do.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. They both had 9 11. 9 11. Like, blew them off the front page. She had a thing and I don't know exactly what her thing was, but child endangerment something. Slumber parties. You gave me a look. I gave you the look, Chris, because this is a. That's right. That's your bailiwag. She had like. It was like she got drunk and drove and the kids were in the car.

[Chris Hansen]

That's right.

[Adam Carolla]

And so there was a predatory thing.

[Chris Hansen]

I think was in child endangerment.

[Adam Carolla]

There was that, but there was also a kind of a slumber party part of the discussion as well. Like, it wasn't just she had a couple of pops at the Christmas party and they drove home. There was a sort of sexual component to it. What was Ingemar Guana? Let's see. Yeah, he's the killer El Salvadorian. But anyway, what was the Paula Poundstone thing? Like, I know there was some reckless endangerment thing. Basically, again, you get drunk and you drive and the kid's in the car, which is like, all right, that doesn't have to be a career ender. But there was an other element to adopted kids and had sleepovers. There was kind of an element.

[Chris Hansen]

I never covered that, but I remember what you're talking about. The drunk driving thing led to some other speculation about some other things. I remember that.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Let's just see if we can figure that. I'm sure that's one out. June 2001, comedian Paula Poundstone was arrested for driving under the influence DUI with foster children in the car. The charges led to a high profile legal case. Her temporary loss of custody to her children, I guess adopted, period in rehab and significant disruption of a career. Yeah, that'll do that. Details of the indictment. Sorry. The incident and the legal outcome. So was it just about driving?

[Chris Hansen]

I remember just the driving stuff in terms of the reporting I remember seeing on it, but there was some speculation about some other stuff and again, I never reported, so I can't be sure.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. Charges she was initially charged with with driving under the influence and lewd acts upon a child. That's the part that I seem to remember. The lewd acts charges with Poundstones she vehemently denied were eventually dropped due to lack of evidence as part of a plea bargain. Yeah, the lewd act part, that was the part that seemed. That part seemed weird because if I got pulled over after drinking a few beers with my son in the car, I could see that part, but I wouldn't know where. The lewd act part.

[Chris Hansen]

Well, I assume at some point the children who are in the car on the way to get ice cream after she had been drinking were interviewed without her present, as would be the normal procedure. And maybe something came up during that interview that raised suspicions about her relationship with those kids or some others, I would believe. And obviously whatever was said was never able to be proved.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I just remember literally the day her case or she was sentenced or you know, the day the News Day was 9 11.

[Chris Hansen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And therefore scrubbed from everyone's memory.

[Chris Hansen]

I mean, we didn't do any story but 911 for four months. No, I mean, that's all I did.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah. Where were you on 9 11?

[Chris Hansen]

I was in Toronto. Talk about a story that got buried for a while. I was on a story in Toronto. There was a Canadian airliner that had a fuel leak and unbeknownst to the crew, they just saw a weight imbalance in the fuel tanks and they turned the valve to put some fuel in the other tank and it ended up bleeding the whole Plane of any fuel. It was a Canadian airline. And there they are.

[Adam Carolla]

Because they bled it into the leaking tank.

[Chris Hansen]

They bled it into the leaking tank. So they're flying from Toronto to Lisbon, Portugal.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow.

[Chris Hansen]

And they're 30,000ft in the air with no power. So they pop the rat, which is the generator, and he circles it around and around and around and makes a dead stick landing at the Joint Use Air Force base on the island of Trocera.

[Adam Carolla]

Dead stick is no power, right.

[Chris Hansen]

And nary is scratch, really. But it was this amazing story that we're doing for daylight. So we're in Toronto and we got one more.

[Adam Carolla]

So they're gliding at 30,000ft for 30 minutes before. What size is an A320? I think so big commercial craft. All right. Or decent size. People are.

[Chris Hansen]

People are praying. People are. And I interviewed a lot of the passengers on there and this, this pilot, this captain did a phenomenal job. I mean, he saved all these people. And we interviewed all the people who were involved in it. But that day was 9 11, and everybody, the rest of the crew had gone out on the town and for whatever reason, I said, nah, you guys go ahead. So I'm up early, I go for a run and I'm drinking my coffee in the hotel room and I'm watching the Today show and I see the video of the smoke pouring out of the World Trade center. And Matt Lauer says, hey, something's happened here and we're gonna figure it out. And we'll get right back to you. Go to commercial break. I called the office. What the hell's going on? I said, well, we think a pilot had a heart attack or something and crashed into the World Trade Center. Keep doing what you're doing. I was supposed to go from there to Denver on another story, and then I see the other tower get hit. I said, this is not. I said, this is an act of terror. I said, start heading towards New York. So go to the airport. They shut down airspace over Canada. I said to the producer, get a rental car and we're just going to start driving. And we got to the point whether we were. We were equidistant between Boston and New York. And I called in, I said, where do you want us? They said, go to Boston. Two of the planes came out of Boston. We don't have anybody there to report. We've got plenty of people in New York, as overwhelming as it is. So we went to Boston for the first two days, reported from there, then took the train from Boston to New York. And just went to work every day covering it.

[Adam Carolla]

Do you know Seth MacFarlane was supposed to be on that flight? Right. Did you hear that story?

[Chris Hansen]

I remember it now because you just said it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, he went to the airport. It wasn't. He'd canceled it a week earlier.

[Chris Hansen]

Every air crash I've ever covered, there's always somebody who changes, either to get on the fateful flight or miss the fateful flight.

[Adam Carolla]

He's sitting at the bar watching it after not making the flight and trying to get on the flight.

[Chris Hansen]

Wow.

[Adam Carolla]

Crazy, right?

[Chris Hansen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

We wouldn't have the Family Guy. Chris Hansen, everybody. True Blue is the network. And there's Takedown with Chris Hansen on True Blue. And then there's the podcast as well. And you can go have a seat with Chris Hansen. You can also just go to YouTube and Twitter hishanson.

[Chris Hansen]

Absolutely.

[Adam Carolla]

Always. Always a pleasure.

[Chris Hansen]

Always a pleasure to be here. I appreciate it.

[Adam Carolla]

We'll take a quick break. We'll do the news with Alicia Crack right after this. Bubs Naturals getting older. Well, hit me harder than I thought. Stiff joints in the morning, longer gym recovery, Hair thinning out a little bit, nails breaking. Actually, my nails are okay, but losing a little of the skin glow. That's because collagen production takes a nosedive starting in your mid-20s. I know. So early, so young. Welcome to reality. That's where Bubs naturals, collagen peptides step in. And I use it every day since taking bubs, I'm feeling like I'm younger, maybe even in my 20s. Joints are stronger, hair's thicker, nails stronger, skin smoother. I just. I put it in my smoothie every single morning. Just a. Just a scoop. Shake it up, man. Put a few things in there as well. I don't know where this stuff was when I was young, but I didn't need it then. And now I do stuff. It's the glue holding everything together. What sets Bubs apart. No junk, zero sugars, sweeteners, no fillers. Just the collagen. Just the good stuff. Am I right, Dawson?

[Dawson]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[Dawson]

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[Adam Carolla]

Happy holy, holy Christmas. And the best type of the year.

[Dawson]

And six, Santa Barbara, Friday night at the Santa Barbara Comedy Club. Adam Corolla, live Chess.

[Adam Carolla]

No Roasting in the open fire.

[Dawson]

Saturday, December 6th in Corona, California.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Dawson]

At Dos Lagos Amphitheater.

[Adam Carolla]

Write it down.

[Dawson]

Celebrate the season with Jay Moore.

[Chris Hansen]

Don't say I didn't warn you.

[Adam Carolla]

Thank you for that, jay.

[Dawson]

And Thursday, December 18, a special Adam Carolla show. Christmas.

[Adam Carolla]

It's wonderful. And oh.

[Dawson]

Breaking news with Brad Williams. I'm Ted Kappel at the sagebrush cantina on December 18th.

[Adam Carolla]

And if we daily Christmas. My true love came to me. I partisan repair. I'm free.

[Dawson]

Join us for the brightest season of the year.

[Chris Hansen]

You are gonna get aroused.

[Dawson]

Get your tickets [e-mail].

[Adam Carolla]

Oh yeah, I was at the Lakers game with Jay Moore and my son and he was doing Joe Pesci for my son. My son was laughing his ass off because he watches all the Goodfellas and all the Raging Bulls and all the, all the stuff. But it's nice when your kids come online and they get a little sense of humor.

[Alicia Krause]

Oh, yeah. Like when you can. Our oldest is 12 and like now she gets Christmas vacation and she asks to watch it because she's like, well, every scene is funny.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm sorry, Christmas vacation's also a thing.

[Alicia Krause]

A good thing or.

[Adam Carolla]

No, it's like if.

[Chris Hansen]

No.

[Adam Carolla]

If there's a movie called Hanukkah and I said my son finally gets Hanukkah, you'd go, okay. But you mean the movie.

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah, but you're talking about movies.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, no.

[Alicia Krause]

Are you talking about, like their sense.

[Adam Carolla]

Of humor in movies? No, I was, I was. When you said Christmas vacation, I was like, she's appreciating Christmas vacation. Well, it's also because we're at Christmas vacation or something like that.

[Alicia Krause]

It's around the corner.

[Adam Carolla]

You're right. I should have known what you were talking about. But she gets the Chevy Chase movie.

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah. The humor of that Christmas.

[Adam Carolla]

Like she can get it. Yes, that's true.

[Alicia Krause]

She chuckles at every scene.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Alicia Krause]

And I actually was wondering. Cause my husband and I like to watch comedy and I'm wondering, and actually you'd be the best person to help me with this. Like, what is a good somewhat clean intro into stand up comedy for her? Maybe?

[Adam Carolla]

Stand up comedy?

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah. Well, I mean, comedy like your Nate.

[Adam Carolla]

Bargazzi's of the world.

[Alicia Krause]

That's true. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I've done three dry bar specials now.

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So those are clean.

[Alicia Krause]

Definitely get those.

[Adam Carolla]

Everything under in the dry bar galaxy is pretty clean. Is clean. And yeah, there's a few guys, but I mean, Nate Bargazzi comes to mind.

[Alicia Krause]

That'd be fun.

[Adam Carolla]

I Leno to watch for a Christmas vacation. Do anything. Yeah, he doesn't do specials.

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah.

[Dawson]

I think you should start at the beginning. Go to Bill Cosby himself, Bill Cosdrek.

[Alicia Krause]

About the rest of it and like, you know.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Do some dry. Watch my dry bar special. That's a good idea. There you go.

[Alicia Krause]

We do that over Christmas vacation.

[Adam Carolla]

Over Christmas.

[Alicia Krause]

Did the Lakers win when you went. Are you their good luck charm?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Well, no, I'm not because they lose every time. But they were playing the, I don't know, 2 and 16 Pelicans or something like that.

[Alicia Krause]

My husband's going to the sun. They're playing like the Suns. The Lakers. And the Suns. Is it the Phoenix Suns?

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Alicia Krause]

This is why I don't talk sportsball.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. You know, I'm never. I've never been a big live guy, game guy, sports guy, that is. But I got connections and it's nice. I took my daughter last time she was here and I took my son. It's just, yeah, it's just, just nice.

[Alicia Krause]

I think live games are fun no matter what it is.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I, I, I agree, I agree. And I always have a good time. I just frankly, I'm lazy or something.

[Alicia Krause]

It is the drive downtown. You gotta deal with parking.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. It just feels like a lot.

[Alicia Krause]

Are you eating down there? Are you gonna eat at the game? Are you gonna eat after the game? Are you gonna be hangry like, yes. Who you gonna deal with all that stuff?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Now here's the thing about movies and your daughter that I have experienced with women. They get older, right? And then you end up dating them. And then at some point they tell you, you go, well, what's your cause when you're getting to know someone, you gotta go, well, what comedies do you like? You know? And you know, for me, I would go, Crimes and Misdemeanors from Woody Allen. It's not really full out comedy, but like a Woody Alle comedy. Love and Death is a good one. Defending youg Life by Albert Brooks. Like there's lots of comedies I like. But at some point the lady will say to me, oh, I like Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. Or they'll go, I had Dirty Rotten. I dated a girl who was Dirty Rotten Scoundrels and Ladybugs. And then I go, those aren't that funny. And they go, oh, they're the funniest. And then I go, no, they're not. And they go, they're super funny. And then I go, when did you see it? And they go, when I was 12. And I go, have you seen it since? And they go, nope. And I go, you gotta see it. You cannot lock off your 12 year old brain where you go. Because your daughter will think Christmas Vacation was the funniest movie ever written. Because she's gonna watch it at 12 and some point she's gonna annoy some guy when she's 27 and they're dating and she's making him watch. I had to watch Ladybug.

[Alicia Krause]

So I'll be sure by the time she's 25, I'll show her the hangover.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes, I had to watch Ladybugs because.

[Alicia Krause]

I was like, you wanted to prove a point. And that's exactly what it was.

[Adam Carolla]

Funny. It is funny. And then at the end they get about 20 minutes in and they look at you and they go, this isn't funny. And I go, I know it's your 11 year old brain that saw it, processed it that way.

[Alicia Krause]

Is Ladybug's the soccer one with Rodney Dangerfield?

[Chris Hansen]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

Not funny.

[Alicia Krause]

It is not funny at all.

[Adam Carolla]

I know, but if you were 11.

[Alicia Krause]

My 12 year old didn't think it was funny either.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, she's single. All right, let's have a look.

[Alicia Krause]

Hey, get Chris Hansen back in here.

[Adam Carolla]

Get Hansen. All right, what do you got?

[Alicia Krause]

We got some interesting stuff. So, Mom, Donnie, the socialist mayor himself, the incoming mayor, is starting to appoint people to serve on his transition team.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, let's get the ladies out there. Come on now.

[Alicia Krause]

Well, this is a pretend lady, pun intended. Rabbi Abby Stein, who is a transgender gal, is a part of the. But I'm transition team for the. Wait for it. Health committee.

[Adam Carolla]

Perfect.

[Alicia Krause]

So man who's trying to become a woman, which is not scientifically possible, is now a part of the health committee for Mamdani's team. There's over 400 appointees, by the way. Like, I get that New York City is a large town, But I mean, 400 people, doesn't that seem like a lot to be on all these different committees? This is. This is the rabbi. The rabbi now and then Stein's real name is Shirley. And we have a picture of what he looked like a decade ago.

[Adam Carolla]

That's him.

[Alicia Krause]

Yes. So he claims that he was raised in an ultra Orthodox Jewish home and didn't have access to the Internet until 2012, and then decided then that he was going to become a female. Oh, he. He's an author. Abby is an author of a book called Becoming.

[Adam Carolla]

Where'd My Dick Go?

[Alicia Krause]

Becoming Eve.

[Adam Carolla]

I thought it was the children's classic Where'd My Dick Go? This is a different one. What's the name of it?

[Alicia Krause]

Becoming Eve.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, perfect.

[Alicia Krause]

Little on the nose. Yeah, little on the nose. And we do need to give a credit to our friends over at the Babylon Bee. This comes from their sister website, not the Bee, like, where they actually cover news things. But it seems like it's so ridiculous. It seems like it could be satire, but it is not.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, so here's the thing. First off, government just begats government. Like the bigger, the bigger, the more planet, the more positions and more whatever. I. You know, I'm starting to hear, you know, it's like Minnesota Somali Relief and all this stuff. It's like US homeless NGOs, Concert to Raise money for the fire victim. It's just one big money laundering operation. It's just money.

[Alicia Krause]

It's all the COVID laundering that happened.

[Adam Carolla]

It's Just money pours in and nothing ever comes out. It's like you get Gavin Newsom two years ago going, you know, we're going to build these tiny homes for the homeless community. They're going to be $689,000 a unit. We're going to get going and it's not going to be formal and there's.

[Alicia Krause]

More than the studio and there's nothing.

[Adam Carolla]

Nothing ever gets built. Yeah, nothing ever happens. It just goes in and it never comes out the other side. You just keep creating positions and deputy.

[Alicia Krause]

And giving them to all your friends.

[Adam Carolla]

There's a district selectman and I need someone in charge of the deputy district selectman. And it's like it just keeps going and going. And by the way, it turns out that almost everyone is corruptible. I grew up with this sort of white guy with the red hair and the pinky ring, you know, explaining. You know how we do it New Orleans, don't you? My daddy owns a bunch of oil wells. It turns out women of color end up doing just as much of this shit as guys did, maybe even more. It feels like now. Turns out women are just as corruptible. Turns out blacks are just as corruptible. It was always like Armenians, Middle Eastern people. If we could just get these white guys out of here, we could have a nice government. And it's like we got a lot of white guys out there and it turns out the Somalis are doing the same shit. So everyone's fucking corruptible. As long as you're throwing money at it, everyone's taking it.

[Alicia Krause]

I agree, I agree 100%. But also now we have the. Well, you can't investigate it. It's like the horrific Islamic rape gangs in that neighborhood or in that, in that town in the uk.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Alicia Krause]

And that we know that both sides of the aisle, the liberals and the conservatives were covering it up because oh, that's an important voting bloc. We can't piss em off, we can't offend them. Meanwhile they're grooming minors. And for generations, like in some cases mothers then had their daughters that were abused and noticed the signs and were ringing the alarm. And I think you have that with this horrific shooting of these National Guardsmen. It's like that guy was radicalized here. And when you allow that to happen, there's so much different corruption and it can be financial corruption to actually creation of terrorist corruption.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, it does so funny. Look, when I think back on the Biden administration and I picture Admiral Levine and that he, she big pile of garbage up there and Wearing his Salvation army skirt stuffed into his blouse. You know what I mean? Just going like, oh, Jesus Christ. But they never stop. They just.

[Alicia Krause]

That person was just as qualified to have that position as this person is to be on the committee for health.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, what I'm trying to say is if you say, look, I am going, look, I've been on many a job site like I was on, and it's no different than this. I was on a job site in the Palisades recently for one of my fire vlogs. And I walked onto the job site and there must have been 20 Hispanic dudes working. Okay, only Hispanic dudes. There were no women, there were no blacks, and there were no Asians and there were no Jews and nothing. Like this guy with the fur hat and the peas. It's just literally 38 year old Hispanic dudes all wearing bags, all building a house. And by the way, they built this house. I was like, how long? When did you start this house? And they're like, four months ago. And it was built out fast.

[Alicia Krause]

Good for them.

[Adam Carolla]

And I said, when's it going to be done? So two months. I said, done two months. They're hauling ass and they're throwing their tools around. Everyone knows what they're doing. If I said to the guy who I interviewed, I think his name was Guy, by the way. If I said to that guy, and I said, look, what do you got here? 18, 20 Hispanic guys. Male. Yeah. Between the ages of 28 and 40. Yeah. I said, listen, here's the new deal.

[Alicia Krause]

You need to hire Alicia Crowe.

[Adam Carolla]

I need some transitioning folk here. Like, I need some he shes, I need some trannies. I'm working this job.

[Alicia Krause]

Or women or black people.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah, let me finish. I'd like to see about 20%. Well, I'd like them to reflect the community. So I'm gonna need to get. Get rid of four or five of these Hispanic guys and give me four or five black guys. Also need some gay representation, some LGBT type stuff in here. So I need a couple lesbians, a couple people who identify as female but are male. And then I need something going the other direction too. And listen, I'll let you keep four of the Hispanic guys that are doing, but I need to round it out. I need Asians, I need females, I need gays. That fucking job would grind to a halt. It would just stop.

[Alicia Krause]

It wouldn't even get finished in 20 years.

[Adam Carolla]

It would just stop because it couldn't move forward because you wouldn't have had qualified people doing It. So I don't know why you want to treat government any different than that, but apparently you do. And this is the trouble we're getting into.

[Alicia Krause]

And this is why government should be smaller.

[Adam Carolla]

That's right.

[Alicia Krause]

100%.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, so Mamdami and Luigi Mangione and I gotta remember everyone's name now. Everything's in New York.

[Alicia Krause]

All the big stories are in New York except this one that we have. Next is out of Portland. So Portland did a woke Christmas tree lighting, but they didn't even say the word Christmas tree. The best part is that we have some video that we'll get to in just a second. Cause I feel like I have to intro this. Thousands of people still went out to do the Christmas tree lighting on Friday night. This was over the Thanksgiving weekend. The festive occasion was kicked off with a woman from the Confederated Tribes of Warm Springs thanking everyone for in the crowd for coming out on Native American.

[Adam Carolla]

Heritage Day land acknowledgement parties.

[Alicia Krause]

They did do a land acknowledgement. And then another woman draped in a Palestinian flag used the stage time to lead the crowd in a Free, Free Palestine chant. Yeah, here we go.

[Chris Hansen]

I could get a Free, free Palestine. Free, free Palestine.

[Adam Carolla]

This is the. That's the Christmas tree. Where's the speech? I want the land acknowledgement speech. Like the most depressing bummer speech not since Gremlins. Has your daughter seen Gremlins?

[Phoebe Cates]

No.

[Adam Carolla]

Phoebe Cates giving this speech about why she doesn't like Christmas is now second in the bummer Christmas ceremony story department.

[Alicia Krause]

After a land acknowledgement.

[Adam Carolla]

After the land acknowledgement and whatever. It's literally. We gotta find Dawson. We need to find Phoebe Cates. But we need the land acknowledgment at the beginning of this thing too. Cause that's the one. I saw it online.

[Alicia Krause]

That's what it reminds you of.

[Adam Carolla]

I saw it on. I think I saw it on the news. It's like, I just want to say something to these nutty bitches. Can we have one fucking day that we can enjoy without you and your shit all the time?

[Alicia Krause]

But then how would you feel if they responded by singing the Strong Woman song? Because that also was done at this Portland tree lighting. I guess I'm not a strong woman because I don't know the lyrics to this song.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I'll tell you who had it right all those years ago. I am. Woman hearing.

[Alicia Krause]

Oh, my God. Sean used to play that all the time.

[Adam Carolla]

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[Chris Hansen]

Never.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, we're gonna play. I'll play. Phoebe.

[Phoebe Cates]

I was nine years old.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, hold on. I think I would rather hear this in Portland at the tree dedication than one of those whiny bitches up there beating her muscle drum. Here it is. This is why in the middle of this romp of a comedy, right in the middle of this comedy, we find out that one of the lead characters doesn't like Christmas.

[Phoebe Cates]

It was Christmas Eve. I was nine years old. Me and mom were decorating the tree, waiting for dad to come home from work. Couple hours went by. Dad wasn't home. His mom called the office. No answer. Christmas Day came and went, and still nothing. The police began a search. Four or five days went by. Neither one of us could eat or sleep. Everything was falling apart. It was snowing outside. The house was freezing. So I went to try to light up the fire. And that's when I noticed the smell. Firemen came and broke through the chimney top. And me and mom were expecting them to pull out a dead cat or a bird. And instead they pulled out my father.

[Adam Carolla]

I like the gizmo gizmos. Got the Lay the land in a.

[Phoebe Cates]

Santa Claus suit, huh? He'd been climbing down the chimney on Christmas Eve, his arms loaded with presents. He was gonna surprise us. He slipped and broke his neck. Died instantly.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Phoebe Cates]

And that's how I found out there was no Santa Claus.

[Adam Carolla]

She couldn't just go. I was a Jew and we didn't really do it. But anyway.

[Alicia Krause]

Is it weird that I find that funny?

[Adam Carolla]

No. I've screamed about this since it was in the theater in 1983 and it took America many years to catch up to me. First off, as a guy who's rebuilt many a chimney and fireplace, it's not just one big hatch. You go down, there's a fucking flue in the middle of it. It's about 8 inches wide. And then when you get to the firebox, there's a fire shelf you don't get to load up with presents.

[Alicia Krause]

There's literally a reason why every single Christmas movie has to create some magical way that Santa gets down the chimney, because the logical brain, including a child's, knows that's not possible.

[Adam Carolla]

Also, you want to lose your cleaning deposit on a Santa suit Creosote. You know how much shit's in that chimney? You will never get your cleaning deposit back.

[Alicia Krause]

Oh, Lord have mercy.

[Adam Carolla]

We gotta bring your daughter to watch that movie.

[Alicia Krause]

I don't know if I want her to after that.

[Adam Carolla]

That's the only tough scene.

[Alicia Krause]

I feel like if she doesn't laugh at that scene, I'll judge her. But then if she does laugh at that scene, I'll be like, wait, how am I 39 and you're 12 and we're laughing at the same scene?

[Adam Carolla]

You know who did the voice of Gizmo? Mm. Mm. Howie Mandel.

[Alicia Krause]

No way.

[Adam Carolla]

I swear to God. Howie Mandel did Gizmo.

[Alicia Krause]

I had a Brussels Griffin that looked like a mix of Gizmo and an Ewok. That's what that clip reminded me of too.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, I think we have this. And make confirm me with the Howie Mandel. Thanks. All right. I would rather watch Phoebe Cates. I got a thumb up. I would rather watch Phoebe Cates, Christ in the Christmas tree than these bitches.

[Alicia Krause]

On this Native American Heritage Day, I hold both gratitude and truth.

[Adam Carolla]

Truth.

[Alicia Krause]

The tree that we stand beside was once rooted in its own home. There is a full blown genocide house.

[Adam Carolla]

Happening live streaming in 4K. You know, I feel like this is.

[Alicia Krause]

The perfect time to bring this up.

[Chris Hansen]

Feel like this is a perfect time.

[Adam Carolla]

To put them up there. And for your guys, prayers for every single one of the Palestinians and all the oppressed peoples. Christ, we got to get women back into the kitchen barefoot and pregnant. They're taking over everything up.

[Alicia Krause]

But it would she be. She said she wants my prayers for the Palestinian people that are being genocided. But like Is she okay with my prayers if I pray in Jesus's name? Or is it only.

[Adam Carolla]

All she wants is what you don't want. That's all she wants? I just really want to look up.

[Alicia Krause]

The words of the Strong Woman song.

[Adam Carolla]

I want Phoebe Cates delivering the Christmas speech to Gizmo.

[Alicia Krause]

You gonna play that at your Christmas party?

[Adam Carolla]

Yes, on a loop.

[Alicia Krause]

Bring in the Christmas cheers.

[Adam Carolla]

Guess why Phoebe Cates doesn't like Christmas? She was gonna get Malibu Barbie, but instead she got Encino Barbie. One year.

[Chris Hansen]

Yep.

[Adam Carolla]

Want to keep going? Ask her where her dad is? She knows a smell coming from the.

[Alicia Krause]

Chimney for a 90 second scene. Like there's a lot packed in there. What is happening in the writer's room?

[Adam Carolla]

Also, what fucking movie is this? A Quentin Tarantino movie or is it Gizmo? Jesus Christ. All right.

[Alicia Krause]

I don't know why I find that so funny.

[Adam Carolla]

It's funny now. It may be what drove her from acting.

[Alicia Krause]

Oh, interesting.

[Adam Carolla]

She doesn't act.

[Alicia Krause]

I mean, that scene wasn't that great.

[Adam Carolla]

I know, but maybe she just went. If this is what it is, I don't want anything.

[Alicia Krause]

If I have to read these idiotic words on a page that memorize them like this, I don't want any of it. All right, well, I'm old enough to remember. Remember after the horrible Boston Marathon bombing, there was the chase for those brothers and then Rolling Stone decided to put the living one on the COVID And all these middle aged women were like, oh, my God, he's so hot.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, Rolling Stone's the worst. But.

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah, well, turns out just maybe Americans on TikTok are the worst. So now Luigi Mangione, of course, he is the Ivy League assassin accused of murdering, you know, that healthcare CEO, health insurance CEO. He's appearing in court. There are fans showing up for him. People are like, selling shirts with his face on them on Etsy and singing his praises and I mean, this is insane. We have some video from it right.

[Adam Carolla]

Here taking out billboards and stuff.

[Alicia Krause]

Billboards and all that stuff. Some people are even wondering what he wore to the courthouse. And there are some websites that sell like, replicas of the suit or similarities of like, what he was wearing. And they're now sold out.

[Adam Carolla]

There's. I don't know, maybe we've hit our bottom. I don't.

[Alicia Krause]

The bourgeois tourism fanboy club.

[Adam Carolla]

I just mean in the weird. In the department of not being able to think in a sane manner.

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Like, we're just all, you know, it kind of started. I'll tell you where it Started. It started with people caring more about pets than human beings.

[Alicia Krause]

Oh, I can see that. I agree with that.

[Adam Carolla]

And I started to notice, like, especially, sorry, but when I would talk to women, I'd go, oh, this boat sunk and there were 28 people on it. And they'd go, mm. I'd go, and a puppy. And they'd go, oh. And it was something. It just. And I started being like. I started realizing you're having trouble calibrating things. Like, you got a dad who was innocent and was executed in the streets of Manhattan. You're not supposed to be worshiping at the altar of his executioner.

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah, especially.

[Adam Carolla]

Someone should know this and you should think better.

[Alicia Krause]

The dad that worked his way up the ladder to become the CEO of a publicly traded company versus the accused killer who's the scion of a wealthy Maryland family and went to Ivy League schools all of his life. Like, if your problem is the rich dude, that right there is the rich dude.

[Adam Carolla]

Right, right.

[Alicia Krause]

Who actually murdered somebody.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes, I agree. It's always backwards. They always screw it up. Like, look, you worship at the altar of George Floyd, but you do not know the workings of. Oh, God. I'm trying to think of his.

[Alicia Krause]

The police officer.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, first off, that. No, it's all that. No, I'm. I'm. Who was the 95 year old black man who has all the great teachings? I'm trying to think of it. I'm screwing. I didn't get enough sleep last night.

[Alicia Krause]

Thomas Sowell.

[Adam Carolla]

Sowell, yeah, right. You've turned George Floyd into a hero, but you don't like Thomas Sowell. That's fucked up. It's backwards. It's dumb. You know what I mean? Or you don't even know who Thomas Sowell is, but you worship George Floyd, so get your priorities.

[Alicia Krause]

It was actually kind of cool. So I had to train for the El Camino Santiago over the summer, and I hiked all over Los Angeles.

[Adam Carolla]

And what's the El Camino Santiago?

[Alicia Krause]

It's like a Catholic pilgrimage in Spain. And so I had to walk a lot, and a lot of it I was by myself, which apparently there's like stalkers now on some of the hikes I was going on, which is creepy. That's why women should have guns. But that's another conversation for another day. And randomly, all over Los Angeles, there's like this kind of like street art that's pro. Thomas Soule, really, that I was seeing around like Griffith Park, West Hollywood, Santa Monica, Malibu, and I just want to know, like, hit me up whoever is doing that, because it was pretty clever and really catchy. And I was like, oh, hey, creative person that likes Thomas Sowell.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, that's nice.

[Alicia Krause]

I thought that was cool.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, what else we got?

[Alicia Krause]

Final story is Hayley Williams. You know who that is? She's a front lady for Paramore.

[Adam Carolla]

Says it's now banned.

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah, the band Paramore. It's now a hard line for her that she will not be allowing anti trans fans or Trump supporters and racists at her tour her concerts anymore.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I wasn't going anyway.

[Alicia Krause]

Well, I actually, after reading her direct quote, I think maybe I'm still included because she said, quote, I don't want racists around. I'm not a racist. She said, I don't want sexist people around. I also don't think I'm sexist. And she said, I don't want people here who think trans people are a burden. I don't think that we think trans people are a burden. We just think that they shouldn't be reading to our children and saying that they can become women.

[Adam Carolla]

It's all a weird, narcissistic endeavor, which is to say, I don't care about trans people. I don't care about gay people. I don't care about anybody. Go do whatever you want to do, but please shut the fuck up about it. I don't want to know about it. I do not want it invading every ceremony, every graduation, every tree lighting. I don't want any of that.

[Alicia Krause]

It can be just normal, right?

[Adam Carolla]

But they won't do that because they can do it. And they're like kids, and they're having a fit and they're having a tantrum. And the worst thing you can say to them is, look, I don't care. Do whatever you want. I'm not interested in you. Don't tell me about it. But then they tell you about it because they need to victimize themselves because it's all part of this weird narcissistic spiral they're in, including this dumb bitch who cares. And how do you even know who's racist, who shows when they buy a ticket?

[Alicia Krause]

Like, are you gonna be doing a background check on everybody?

[Adam Carolla]

No.

[Alicia Krause]

So apparently the first thought that popped into my head was, oh, are they struggling to sell tickets? And she's just doing this for the small minority of people that are the loudest voices on this to get the news. And then my second one was, she's kind of hypocritical because she literally lives in one of the reddest States in the union that is Tennessee. So it's like, okay, do as I say, not as I do. If you're this hardcore blue, move to LA or New York City and live under the regime in which you are telling everybody else is good.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Or if you're queers for Palestine, go.

[Alicia Krause]

On over to Gaza.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, go on over to Gaza and preach, baby, good luck. Yeah. They never do because they like the protections, they like the rules, they like the safety, they like all that is provided by the sane states and governing. But then they want to complain about it. Sort of reminds me of what is that politician from Tennessee who's saying she hate the bridal showers and the.

[Alicia Krause]

Oh, she's running. The lady, the blonde chick that looks kind of like a normal middle aged mom, but she's really radical. I think she's running. Is she running for mayor?

[Adam Carolla]

She's running. No, not mayor, but like congress or something and you know, wants to defund the police and burn the city to the ground and stuff. It's like, first off, when did you normal people get into this stuff? Like, I guess it's an out of problem.

[Alicia Krause]

It's a white woman guilt.

[Adam Carolla]

It's a white woman guilt.

[Alicia Krause]

I think it's. We've been told that we are systemically racist just because of the color of our skin and our privilege that we have as cisgender white women. And so there, therefore we have to do the race to dinner and the BLM riots and support Planned Parenthood and all these things that the radical leftist version of feminism says is okay.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I mean, I guess in a weird way it's like when you grow up with a silver spoon in your mouth and then you have to adopt all these sort of radical thoughts.

[Alicia Krause]

Like the Luigi Mangione.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes, yes. I think there's a lot of that. Also there's a devil makes work for. For idle hands situation, which is when you're busy just working. I mean when people are just working to eat and to shelter, like, you.

[Alicia Krause]

Know, get their kids to school.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, just real basic nuts and bolts. Like when I used to work, I just worked, man. And it was like a struggle just to work. And I didn't really. All these marches and, you know, I'm gonna knit a pink hat and put it on and go on the Million Woman March or something. Like, you know, somebody said, I said, you know, where's the march? It's in Portland on Friday. I gotta work, I gotta go to work.

[Alicia Krause]

My mom used to tell me that all the time. Like we would pass Some liberal protesters on Someday. And I'd be like, how are all those people there? And she's like, cause they don't have jobs.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Alicia Krause]

Meanwhile, national day of prayer, like around the flagpole in the morning. It's like a small group of really dedicated retirees because everybody else has a job.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. So I, I assume it's a lot of people that don't have a lot of problems. Because when you have actual problems, you don't create problems. You don't create problems. And this stuff, things like climate change, they're very first world kind of problems. They're very rich person problems. I mean, not that it exists anyway. But the point is, is if that's something that it does. You know when you're in Africa and you're burning dung to keep your hut warm, you just. Sorry. Not into the entire world.

[Alicia Krause]

You don't even know about Greta Thunberg, like dying. The Venice canals.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Alicia Krause]

Like you're just trying to make it through the day.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, boy. What's she gonna do next?

[Alicia Krause]

I don't know, I'm afraid. Maybe she's behind the Louvre. You know those environmentists like to just destroy art. Maybe they just decided to steal it.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, they just want to get you.

[Alicia Krause]

Cross conspiracy corner for the day.

[Adam Carolla]

They caught the louvers, right?

[Alicia Krause]

Yes, they did. I think they caught like four and then they just arrested another four. That's back to the Luigi Mangioni thing. People were like, oh my God, these guys are so hot. Like who's gonna be cast as them in the movie?

[Adam Carolla]

Uh huh.

[Alicia Krause]

Like a couple of them were pretty good looking dudes in their mug shots that were released. Well, like I would say that to you or my husband. I wouldn't go online advocating for them to be released from jail. Cause I thought they were good looking.

[Adam Carolla]

If you're a second story man, you gotta be in decent shape. You can't be a lard ass and get up that.

[Alicia Krause]

They had the thingy.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, but they have a 300 pound capacity.

[Alicia Krause]

I remember seeing jewels don't weigh that much.

[Adam Carolla]

Those buckets. I know, but the guy's a fat ass. You won't be able to get over the top and bust. You gotta be nimble. I remember when I was a kid, I'd see those buckets that they lifted. The telephone pole guy I'd see on the side say 300 pound capacity. And I'd be like, who's 300 pounds? No, now I'm like, oh, we got plenty of Americans who isn't 300 pounds. I heard for the first time today, I had to write it down. I heard that we have an obesity epidemic and we're simultaneously. We've now created a society where we have food insecurity and an obesity epidemic at the same time.

[Alicia Krause]

Oh, interesting.

[Adam Carolla]

We have no food and too much food living together at the same time.

[Alicia Krause]

Or is it possible that we just have, have unhealthy food and people with like self control issues, like the people that can get the unhealthy food are not food insecure and they have no self control, which I just ate some ruffles out there before I came in here.

[Adam Carolla]

But nobody, you know, they do this thing like, you know, we shut the government for another week, we're going to lose snap benefits to 100 million. It's like, does anyone ever go hungry? Show me the bottom, I say show me the hungry kids in America. Bodies. Show me the bodies. Show me the January 6th bodies. Show me the bodies, everyone. You talk about it and talk about it and talk about it, but nothing ever comes out the other end. The government's gonna close down. SNAP recipients are gonna be thrown out in the streets. Kids were going to bed hungry. It never happens. It just doesn't. And also people are resourceful. They find a way. Take away the food, they'll figure it, they'll fall.

[Alicia Krause]

The things that the leftists didn't want to address is that when those 42 million people didn't have their SNAP benefits, actually religious institutions that stepped up and did a better job of feeding those people than the government ever does. And like there's no pathway out of that for them.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Alicia Krause]

Like that star Parker, you know, talks about this a lot. Like, you need a path. Mia Love, like God bless her, like, would talk about. You have to. It should be a temporary thing when the government provides that solution. Not a long term thing.

[Adam Carolla]

No. Who wants to get married to the government? It's horrible.

[Alicia Krause]

Maybe this trans rabbi in New York.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, a good note to go out on. I'm in Santa Barbara. That'll be at Santa Barbara Comedy Club. That'll be this Friday. And then me and Jay Moore and Corona coming up at the Dos Lagos Amphitheater. And then hitting Florida, man. Fort Lauderdale. Miami, Fort Lauderdale again. Not sure why, but that's how it works. You can go to amcroll.com for all the live shows. What do we got for you, Alicia Kraus? We got the op ed for the Washington Examiner. We can check that out. Website. Aliciacrause.com no more speeches this year.

[Alicia Krause]

My fall tour is wrapped so you'll have to wait for the spring, guys.

[Adam Carolla]

We will wait with bated breath. Also True Blue for Chris Hansen. Until next time, Sam Kroll for Alicia Krause and Chris Hansen saying mahalo.

[Dawson]

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[Adam Carolla]

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