Classic #1694 He Was Nothing

Summary

Adam Carolla Show: Classic #1694 "He Was Nothing"

Date: June 23, 2026 (originally recorded March 16, 2023)
Hosts: Adam Carolla & Dr. Drew Pinsky

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Episode Theme:

A mix of irreverent pop culture commentary and incisive social critique, this episode revisits 70s TV, evolving social norms, and the psychological dangers of victimhood culture—all through Adam and Dr. Drew’s candid banter and signature skepticism.

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1. Revisiting The Love Boat and 70s Pop Culture

[01:40 – 09:30]

Key Points:

• Adam and Dr. Drew riff on a recent Love Boat episode, marveling at its problematic sexual dynamics and how such storylines were normalized in the era.
• They discuss the lack of "script approval" in those days, allowing big brands like Princess Cruises to be depicted amid questionable plotlines about workplace sexual advances.

Notable Moments:

• Adam on 70s TV Sexual Dynamics:
  “At the beginning, it's Doc and Gopher and Isaac… Julie the cruise director's like, ‘There's a new trainee on board’… they're all arguing over who gets to bang her… It was basically…ubiquitous, just so baked into the culture.” [03:09]
• Dr. Drew notes the massive age difference:
  "35 years younger than Doc… and he's senior officer over her." [03:15]
• Adam draws a modern comparison:
  “It's like if you took somebody from the 50s and you just parked them at the United Lounge… they just pulled out a cigarette and lit it up—people would run at him.” [03:26]
• Discussion on age and appearance, using Steve Allen’s 1980s guest appearance:
  “In what world does that smoking piece of ass [Loni Anderson] find this dumpy middle-aged guy and is literally attempting to rape him in his cabin?” [08:06]

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2. Victimhood Culture & Modern Movements

[09:34 – 16:10]

Key Points:

• Dr. Drew introduces a viral TikTok psychoanalyst (Sam Vaknin) discussing the dangers of "victimhood movements" and the psychological mechanisms behind them.
• Vaknin describes victimhood as an identity, the infiltration of movements by narcissists, and how cycles of grievance have historically led to violence—even drawing parallels with major historical movements.

Notable Clip:

• TikTok Analyst (Sam Vaknin) on Victimhood:
  “Certain people are prone to adopt victimhood as an identity. Their victimhood endows their life with meaning… Even if they’re not victimized, they push you to victimize them… victimhood movements such as MeToo, Black Lives Matter… get hijacked by narcissists and psychopaths.” [10:33–13:45]
• Adam concurs:
  “I’ve been screaming that this victimhood thing is the most dangerous thing. It’s the worst thing you can do for an individual or a group… politicians and the news outlets have figured it out and just went, 'Oh good, we’ll get some votes and hammer some checks.'” [14:17]
• Dr. Drew adds:
  "They’ve made a business model out of gratifying this.” [14:36]

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3. Adam’s Take on Pattern Recognition and Social Clarity

[16:10 – 23:29]

Key Points:

• Dr. Drew probes Adam about his intuition for bad ideas, pattern recognition, and skepticism toward popular narratives.
• Adam traces it to being “neutral”—lacking strong biases, letting him see things as they are. He shares his tendency to think deeply about people's motives, using homelessness as an example.

Notable Quotes:

• Adam:
  “I have a mind that is not filled with tons of preconceived notions or biases. I’m just sort of buoyant and I can go in any direction. I’m not tethered.” [17:13]
• Describing family history as evidence of differing responses to hard times:
  “My dad went and slept in the closet… but he didn’t go outside [on the curb]… So it’s easy to kind of go, why would this person do that unless X, Y, or Z…?” [21:31]

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4. The Dangers of Identity Politics and Affirmative Action

[23:29 – 23:45]

Key Points:

• Adam extends the critique of victimhood to institutional policies, linking them to “macro” disaster.
• Emphasizes that “really shit movements” thrive on people's reluctance to criticize for fear of social reprisal.

Notable Quote:

• Adam:
  “Really shit movements rely heavily on the fact that you don’t want to get involved with them.” [23:16]

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5. January 6th, Media Narratives, and "Cherry Picking"

[23:45 – 29:34]

Key Points:

• Dr. Drew expresses “narrative fatigue,” tired of one-sided media portrayals of political events.
• Adam critiques the various shifting stories about the death of an officer on January 6th, highlighting how facts are often molded to fit preferred narratives.
• Both criticize both sides in the media for “cherry picking” evidence to reinforce their own biases.

Memorable Exchanges:

• Adam on Media Evolution: “Here’s what I’m saying. This guy was killed with blunt force with a fire extinguisher. Okay, a week later—no, he wasn’t. Oh, yeah, he was killed with bear spray… it just keeps shifting.” [26:09]
• Dr. Drew on Language Manipulation:
  “We’ve changed the language so much. That used to just be called evidence… misinformation used to just be called interesting opinions. We’ve gone insane. Don’t people see this?” [28:15]
• Adam’s Sarcasm:
  “It’s a world upside down order.” [29:28]

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Most Notable Quotes (with Attribution & Timestamps)

• "It was so ubiquitous and so baked into the culture that even though you're running Princess Cruise Lines, you're like, 'Oh, it's a funny storyline. Everyone's trying to fuck the young trainee.'" — Adam Carolla [04:04]
• “Victimhood movements... get hijacked by narcissists and psychopaths. So the infiltration... is universal in all these victimhood movements. And they become the public face of the movement.” — TikTok Psychoanalyst (Sam Vaknin) [13:02]
• “I think you're cutting yourself short a little bit... there's something about human behavior that you instinctively get, and morality and sort of right and wrong too.” — Dr. Drew Pinsky [17:32]
• “Really shit movements rely heavily on the fact that you don’t want to get involved with them.” — Adam Carolla [23:16]
• “We’ve changed the language so much. That used to just be called evidence.” — Dr. Drew Pinsky [28:15]

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Summary Flow

• Nostalgia turns to critique: Adam and Dr. Drew dissect 70s television, drawing out the embedded sexism and odd social mores, and naturally segue into a wider conversation on shifting social standards.
• Psychoanalysis of culture: Dr. Drew introduces a modern take on the psychology of victimhood, providing academic backing for what Adam’s been ranting about for years.
• Adam's worldview: Adam explains his self-claimed ability to recognize societal pitfalls early, attributing it to neutrality and lack of ideological tethering.
• Society and media skepticism deepen: The hosts drill into how identity politics and narrative manipulation have created a toxic, “upside-down order” that discourages dissent.
• Episode closes with their classic tone: frustrated by current affairs, sarcastic, but urging listeners to think critically and look beyond the manufactured narratives.

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Major Timestamps

• 01:40 – Launching into Love Boat critique
• 09:34 – Introducing the “victimhood movement” psychoanalysis
• 14:17 – Adam’s “I’ve been screaming about this for 20 years” rant
• 16:10 – Discussion on Adam’s pattern recognition
• 23:16 – Critique of silence around “bad” social movements
• 26:09 – Adam deconstructs January 6th narratives
• 29:28 – Closing thoughts: “It’s a world upside down order.”

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For listeners seeking both laughs and a challenging critique of modern culture, this episode delivers classic Carolla-Drew candor—unfiltered, introspective, and unwilling to simply go along with the prevailing winds.

Transcript

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[Adam Carolla]

episode 1694 entitled He Was Nothing from March 16, 2023. Enjoy. Recorded live at Carolla 1 Studios with Adam Carolla and board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to the Adam and Dr. Drew Show. Yeah, get it on. Got to get on a trip again. I'm addicted by Dr. Drew for fizz Flop Flop Fizz Fizz. Oh, what a relief it is. Oh boy.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Oh yeah. Speaking of ancient commercials, I think I watched the Love Boat episode yesterday that you were watching when I called you where Julie McCoy is getting into some weird situations. It was so uncomfortable, that whole episode. Is it the one where the girl's trying to get Julie's job by seducing the captain?

[Adam Carolla]

Seducing?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Sword of the captain. I don't know what the hell is.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, well, they had. God, I was trying to remember again. Princess Cruises and I don't know, maybe Gary can look this up but. And maybe it didn't even exist back then. But there is something called script approval. And you can do a fictitious basketball team or fictitious baseball team, but if you want to do a story and you want the New York Yankees logo to be on it, the New York Yankees are going to go, well, what's going on in this episode? I don't want you making us look bad. You. You know, and the thing that was crazy about that time is at the beginning it's Doc and Gopher and Isaac like standing around and they're like. And Julie the cruise director's like, well, There's a new trainee on board and we gotta show her the ropes. And they're like, oh, wait a minute. Her. Let me add her. And they're all like jockeying. Yes.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Fighting each other.

[Adam Carolla]

Fighting like, I'm gonna bed her before you. She's a trainee. I know. For the cruise line.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

And by the way, 35 years younger than Doc.

[Adam Carolla]

40 years younger than the beautiful nubile young woman is coming onto the ship to train and they're all arguing over who gets to bang her. Now what it says is because this is ubiquitous. And just went on. It was basically. It's like this. It's like if you took somebody from the 50s and you just parked them at the United Lounge at the airport and they just pulled out a cigarette and like lit it up and people run at him go, what are you doing? You know, he'd be like, what are you doing? I'm smoking a cigarette. What's your. What's. I don't know why everyone's not smoking, but what's your thing? And they go, sir, that's illegal. He'd be like, what?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

No, it's not. You want a cigarette? No. We're gonna arrest you. Smoking a cigarette. This insane. Right? They couldn't even process their mind around it, you know, so this kind of stuff was just so ubiquitous and so baked into the culture that even though you're running Princess Cruise Lines, you're like, oh, it's a funny storyline. Everyone's trying to fuck the young trainee

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

and there's even an undercurrent.

[Adam Carolla]

And the doctor, he's like, come on over to my cabin, I'll examine your body. And they're like, doc, you know what,

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

what am I supposed to do?

[Adam Carolla]

That's a doctor for your cruise line.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah. With a 20 year old, something female.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. Who's an employee of your.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

And you're the senior officer over her.

[Adam Carolla]

She's responsible. Now we're talking about stubing, but I'm.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

But I think these guys have stuff on their shoulders. I mean, they're.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh yeah. Much higher rank than she is.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

But Doc apparently played it. Bernie Copple, who plays Doc, played a different character in the film Love Boat 2. It was a film. Well, there were three films before the series. Oh, dude.

[Adam Carolla]

Feature films made for tv. Oh, okay.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

We have to find these and look at them because this should be like a treasure trove of culture. But do you remember when Bill Cosby was. They had pulled out an old interview with him talking about a. What was the aphrodisiac men used to

[Adam Carolla]

be preoccupied with Spanish fly.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Spanish fly. And I think baked into the Love Boat story is this sort of. It's a magical love boat where women lose themselves and can't control themselves and they're expressing their natural sexuality that is repressed by the man. And the real. Remember all that bullshit. And I think baked into the story was some of that. That these were. These were enlightened individuals who are allowed to express themselves. You know what I mean? It was so fucked and upside down and stuff because men were being encouraged to be aggressive with women to help them because they were being repressed by the man.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah. That's a crazy.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

You wonder why Adam and I hated the 70s and think about it now that everybody's sort of thinking about these topics.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was also they did this goofy skit where Gopher was impersonating Captain Stubing's voice. They just laid his voice over him.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah, I know. It's just so cartoon. Yeah, it's just a cartoon. You can't even look at it with any seriousness.

[Adam Carolla]

I'll tell you the best part though of that episode and you may have missed it.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

I'm thinking about the different stories that were going. Steve Allen was a pretty crazy story.

[Adam Carolla]

Steve Allen at the time. And now it's hard to tell in Love Boat Years because people looked older, they dressed, you know, they dressed appropriately. The hairstyles were of that. But Steve Allen, I mean. Gary, what year was Steve Allen born? That episode's from 1980. Steve Allen looked like he was 63. Oh, right. Well, according to the year 63, I mean, he looked like he was 75.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Correct. Steve Allen was born the day after Christmas, 1921.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. So he was only 59 or something when he did that. But he looked like he was 60 something years old.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

What struck me was not just that he looked so much older, but he looked so deconditioned. Like his arms were the size of my fingers and he was sort of dumpy looking.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Just kind of conchy.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah. Like he never run or lifted a

[Adam Carolla]

weight in his life and he had like kind of weird comb over and stuff like that. And glasses.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

He runs into 22 year old Lonnie Anderson.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

She can't control herself.

[Adam Carolla]

She can't control herself with him physically. They would always do that. And then so what it would happen is they'd be alone in the cabin and the guy'd be like, I'm thinking about my wife, you know, and she'd be like, come on, take that Kerchief off and let me, let me pour you a drink. And she's like rubbing him and stuff and he's like, ah, let's just slow down, let's to know each other a little bit. Loni Anderson wasn't even Loni Anderson back then because she had not established herself. In what world does that smoking piece of ass find this dumpy middle aged guy and is literally attempting to rape him in his cabin?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

That picture is from this particular episode, Gary we're talking about.

[Adam Carolla]

That was the conceit as well, what would happen.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

But that's that Spanish fly thing the males were preoccupied with.

[Adam Carolla]

The guys would get into a little dust up with their wife and go like, well, I'm gonna go sit on this side of the ship. And then some piping hot 22 year old would come by in a bikini and go, is this lounge chair taken? And he'd go, I guess not. Well, he looks shot. I ordered drinks for both of us and. And at some point they'd be back in the cabin and she'd be physically attacking him, assaulting him and he'd be like pushing her off.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah, in one of every four episodes that happens at least.

[Adam Carolla]

All right. That tape that you wanted to play

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

that you sent me, the narcissism tape. Speaking of all this stuff, you want to do that little business first and then we'll.

[Adam Carolla]

No, I want to hear that.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

All right, so I asked Gary to put it up, but we're probably going to. It's a four minute tape. You're probably going to want to hear the first three minutes. One minute rather. I was messing around on TikTok and I came upon this guy. His TikTok handles Arcicism with Vakinin V A K N I n and I'm always interested. There's a lot of information on TikTok. I listen to physics things and I listen to some of the financial stuff and I listen to some of the psychologists that get in there, the interpersonal psychologist, whole lane of that too. But this guy looks to me like an old school sort of psychoanalyst. And he starts out and I thought, oh, this guy is spot on and does it in a really concise way. And it's stuff you and I talk about all the time, Adam. And it's important for people to understand this.

[Adam Carolla]

I've been screaming about this for years and years now, but here we are.

[TikTok Psychoanalyst]

What are your views on such things as cancel culture and the whole woke movement and trying to keep all narratives politically correct? What's Your view on this, where is this leading us? It's not my view. It's the view of clinical psychology. In the past few years, we have begun to study victimhood movements and the psychology of victimhood movements. So we have, for example, studies by Gabay, G, A B A Y and Allies four Massifs, conducted mainly in Israel. We have studies in British Columbia and so forth. And I'll summarize them for you. What we're beginning to find is that certain people are prone to adopt victimhood as an identity. Their victimhood is their identity. Their victimhood endows their life with meaning, makes sense of the world. So it's an organizing principle. They would seek to be victims even in situations where they would not have been victimized otherwise. When they are not victimized, they push you to victimize them. This is called projective identification. And so there is something called tiv. TIV is a new psychological describing these kind of people. You can see these people online, for example, in the empaths movement and other nonsensical labels, where these people are actually very narcissistic, very grandiose, extremely aggressive, lacking in of any kind. And yet they claim that they have been victimized all their lives because they are super empathic and they are sensitive and so forth. And they are proud of their victimhood. They compete with each other. My abuser was much worse than your abuser. No, my abuse was unprecedented. I understand that you were abused. I'm sorry for you. But my abuse was much. It's identity politics becomes identity politics. A separate set of studies in Canada and elsewhere has shown that very fast, very soon, within usually two to three years maximum, victimhood movements such as MeToo, Black Lives Matter and so on get hijacked by narcissists and psychopaths. So the infiltration of narcissists and psychopaths is universal in all these victimhood movements. And they become the public face of the movement. Victim of movements are one of the most threatening and pernicious developments. There is a sociologist by the name of Campbell, and he said that we have transitioned from the age of dignity to the age of victimhood. It's very dangerous because if you are a perennial victim, if this is your identity, you are determined by your victim, you would tend to develop attendant behaviors. For example, you would tend to feel entitled to special treatment. And if you don't get this special treatment, you will become aggressive. And this is the irony. This was first described by Kaupman. There's a guy called Kaupman, and he described what he Called the drama triangle. And he said abusers. The drama triangle includes abuser, victim and rescuer or savior. But he said these roles are not fixed. When the victim is not gratified by the rescuer, she becomes an abuser. And when the abuser witnesses the behavior of the rescuer, he tries to be the rescuer. So everyone cycles. What I'm trying to say is that the potential for aggression and even violence in victimhood movements is much larger than in the general population. And even I would go as far as saying that it's equal to psychopathic movements. For example, the Nazi movement. Equal, of course. The Nazi CISM was a victimhood movement. Presented themselves as victims of the Versailles agreement of the world order. Germany was discriminated against us and look where it led. Similarly, communism was a victimhood movement. The ponytailliat was exploited by the landowners and by the industrialists and so on. We need to redress grievances. Anything that is grievance based leads to violence and death. End of story. All death cults started as victimhood movements. ISIS is no exception. So it's dangerous.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

There you go.

[Adam Carolla]

I've been screaming that this victimhood thing is the most dangerous thing. It's the worst thing you can do for an individual or a group. I've been screaming about this for 20 years. And we're now there. And the scariest part is the politicians and the news outlets have figured it out and just went, oh good, we'll get some votes and hammer some checks.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Right? They made a business model out of gratifying this.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. Like the Obamas. That's now the business model. That's sad, dangerous, pernicious. I agree. There's not anything he said that's not 100% correct.

[TikTok Psychoanalyst]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't. And every third speech Joe Biden gives, he talks about white supremacies being the biggest problem. And I mean, he gave a speech a week ago where he's like, people were lynched. A lot of people would like to do that now. Like, it's like, shut up, would you already? It's not helping. And what do you mean a lot of people or some people would still like to lynch People in 2023. He can't stop. He can't stop himself at every turn, just stoking this fire. And Oprah, Michelle Obama, everyone in Hollywood, they never stop. Well, it's crazy dangerous, mostly disgusting and sort of despicable. Just sort of like, oh, please, yuck.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Well, but he pointed out they've become violent. Very, very careful. And number two, that the psychopaths and the narcissist take over and become the forward facing image of these things. And the other thing is that he left out one little piece, which was that because of the lack of empathy and the narcissism, envy becomes the ruling feeling. And so they're not trying to build anybody up, they're trying to tear people down. That is an extremely destructive feeling.

[Adam Carolla]

Here's my unique ability, Drew. My unique ability is to look at things and go, this is not right. This is bad. And this is going to have long term negative effects. And then everyone else looks at me and goes, what are you talking about? What's wrong with you?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Well, let's drill into it. Let's drill into it. Why are you able to see that, do you think, with such clarity? Because you've been right on so many things and you usually don't have a dynamic explanation, right? No, you're not going into the kind of detail this guy. You just know it to be problematic, that it goes to a bad place.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

And what's informing you? Where do you think you get that?

[Adam Carolla]

I'm not informed. I'm so neutral that I'm able to make decisions that are not clouded.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah, I know that, but that's clouds. So you're able to see something with clarity. And so what I'm asking is, what is that something?

[Adam Carolla]

I don't see anything. I have a mind that is not filled with tons of preconceived notions or biases. I'm just sort of buoyant and I can go in any direction. I'm not tethered.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

So many people. I think you're cutting yourself short a little bit. But there's something about human behavior that you instinctively get, and morality and sort of right and wrong too. Both simultaneously are sort of feeding into these impressions. And what's the other thing you always say? Measuring or pattern? Pattern recognition. But the pattern recognition you're bringing in is from previous experience about people and morality.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know. I just know that I've always been sort of inclined to. To think about motivation and patterns and people and that kind of stuff. And I'm also very keen to pick out bad ideas early. And this is never gonna work. You know what I mean?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Because you understand people

[Adam Carolla]

motivation. Well, yeah, I understand. I understand that if you really just think about it, I mean, circling back to my 10 year old argument with Gavin Newsom, I don't know, at the time, 10 years ago, I don't know anything about the homeless population. I don't know anything about homeless statistics. I don't. I was fed, you know, steady diet of, you know, the person. The factory closed down and they got their, their house foreclosed and they got divorced and now they're sleeping on the street. I was sort of agnostic about those narratives. It was like, okay, factory, I guess, fell on hard times. But then what I do is I don't really deconstruct something from that position. It's more like, what would it take for a normal, gainfully employed person who is stripped of all of their belongings. You no longer have income. You no longer have use of an automobile or a credit card. Let's say, what would it take for that person to go lie down on a concrete sidewalk in a box and go to bed on Ventura Boulevard underneath a sign that's flashing all night? What would it, what would it take to get that person to do that? And do I know any of those people? And I've known drug addicts and people have fallen on hard times and had their issues with substances and everything else. You know, what would it take? My dad, when my parents got divorced, moved into a closet in his in

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

laws house in the middle of their living room or something, right?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, there was a small. I mean, not small, it was a walk in. It'd be the kind of room where you'd go, is this a room or is it a closet? Look, I don't know. It's not really big enough to be a room. But no one had a walk in closet in our world. Closets, you know, had the wooden dowel and you slid the door open. There was no such thing as a walk in closet. So it was like, well, how could it be a closet if you could

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

be the accordion doors or the actual pocket doors?

[Adam Carolla]

Mostly it was just a door. You just open a door and there was three foot by three foot. That was a closet with a pine shelf on top and a pine pole down below that was like sagging because, you know, but it's not. No one in fanny had any clothes either. So it wasn't a. Wasn't a thing. I don't even. My mom's house had a closet inside of my stepdad's room and she had a closet in her room. That was it. But anyway, my dad went and slept in the closet. And now at his in laws house, the woman he was leaving parents.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Okay, ex in laws.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, ex in laws. Well, they weren't divorced for several years, but yes. Okay, so what would it have taken for him to sleep physically on the curb. You know, physically lay his head down on the cement. Well, he was sober. I mean, he's not sober. He didn't drink. He was just nothing. And he wasn't stealing. He wasn't doing drugs or stealing or anything, so.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

And he would. To be fair, he was probably pretty depressed too. So there was a mental health piece in there.

[Adam Carolla]

The people he didn't have enough money for an apartment, so the people who didn't really like him that much. Yeah, the people who didn't like him that much and who lived in a one bedroom, one bathroom, he'd have to walk through their bedroom to use the bathroom.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

He was Gavin Newsom's real face of homelessness. Two kids, no job.

[Adam Carolla]

He went to a closet and he laid down, but he didn't go outside.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

So it's easy to kind of go, why would this person do that? Unless X, Y or Z or like, what would it do? Do you just gave these people the drugs? Do you think it would clear up? It's a kind of a clarity, but it's also as it pertains to what the TikTok person was speaking about. The identity politics and the victimhood stuff, micro macro, it's a shit show. It's gonna end in disaster. It's the worst thing you can do to someone. And it's just something I've always known and always spoke out about. People are starting to catch on. I mean, it's sort of like all the affirmative action hires and everything. People, they don't like the subject, they don't want to get into. Like the way it feels to say, I'm against affirmative action, you know what I mean? And you'll be called names and possibly racist and stuff like that. So there's a lot of. And by the way, really shit movements rely heavily on the fact that you don't want to get involved with them. You know what I mean?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yes. I mean, look at history again. People that didn't take action. I mean, that's. That is our present moment, to be fair.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. I've just always been able to see when something was a bad idea and not gonna work in advance to that point.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

So there's all this new footage of January 6th. People seem to be pushing back on that. I have something I would call narrative fatigue. Like all this pushing of fucking narratives, by the way, both side does it. But this, I find it. Well, I don't know if I'm at disgust yet, but I'm just, ugh, just enough already. And for some reason, if I were to put a book cover together about. A book about narratives, the front cover of the book would be Jill and Joe Biden laying a flag in the rotunda for the killed officer in January.

[Adam Carolla]

Slain.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Slain officer.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

That was such weird drama. Like, weird guy had a heart attack in his office. And then we have the footage of him leading the guy around in the Viking outfit. Seemed to be, like, joking and having a nice time.

[Adam Carolla]

And I don't think that was him leading the guy around.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

I think there is some footage of that I heard. I don't know that.

[Adam Carolla]

The point is that maybe fake news.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

There is footage of him apparently not in any distress, certainly. No, but the point is that. The point I'm making is that it's what I said Wednesday. You have to really just stop and just sort of really look at the facts of what happened and what's going on and stop with these extreme opinions and narratives and calling people names who don't adhere to your narrative.

[TikTok Psychoanalyst]

It's just.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Fuck. Stop.

[Adam Carolla]

I am. Drew. You are the wrong person to ask or. I am the wrong person to ask. This stuff. This stuff. I could never do it. Yes. We're gonna go in the rotunda. We're gonna hang our heads. This man was fallen in the line of duty. They know everything. They know all the facts. You think January 6th, commission doesn't know what happened or Joe Biden doesn't know what happened? I would be. I would be the worst president ever, because he would say, you know, Sunday, sir, we have to go down to the rotunda. No, it's just. It's not happening. It's not right. It's not what happened, by the way. Watch. Be weary of stories here.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Weary. That's the word. I'm weary.

[Adam Carolla]

Be weary of stories. Here's what I'm saying. This guy was killed with blunt force with a fire extinguisher. Okay? Yeah, a week later. No, he wasn't. Oh, yeah. No, he was killed with bear spray. Bear spray. Okay. Well, what happened to the fire extinguisher? How'd you get onto bear spray so fast? You know what I'm saying? Like, I never talked to my son ever about any of his business dealings ever. Hey, we got a bunch of emails with you and your son stuff. Hey, America's ready to move on. We'll move forward. It's like, well, what happened to the Never spoke to him ever about stuff? The January 6th committee's insane. The news is insane with this stuff. And then so what people do is

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

they go, I'm so weary I'm starting to wonder if the Weaponization Committee is also insane.

[Adam Carolla]

I worry about all of it. No, no.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Well, look, what people do is. I'm sorry.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, you know. Okay, now Tucker Carlson's cherry picking this stuff. Yes, that's what he's doing. That's exactly what he's doing. There's 40,000 hours of tape. He cannot just stream it for 40,000 hours.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah, he's trying to make a point.

[Adam Carolla]

He's trying to make a point. Well, he's cherry picking. Yeah. You know what else would be cherry? It's cherry picking if your wife accuses you of cheating and texting with Pat, your new girlfriend, and then you explain that Pat is a male who's a colleague, and then you pulling out the text and showing them that. You can call that cherry picking if you want. But the other part would be. No, no, I'm proving a point that goes against your allegation. You said this guy was murdered, essentially slain. Slain the fallen. He was not. Here's footage of him walking around with a helmet on. Vigorously. So, yes, it is cherry picking. Just like going through my text and showing you the specific one that means I'm not cheating, but I wouldn't do it if you didn't say if you weren't lying.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

We've changed the language so much. That used to just be called evidence. Here's evidence of my opinion, much the way misinformation used to just be called interesting opinions. We've gone insane. Look, don't people see this?

[Adam Carolla]

Dave added the outside guard who got rammed by the Muslim guy in his car and killed months later to the tally of people that died that day. I mean, it's. I don't.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

It's hysteria, right?

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know how you do it with a straight face. I don't get it. I mean, you're counting people that died of suicide, which is far more prevalent in the law community months later as people that were taken down by. Remember the argument. It was all the psychological grief of. Do you see the footage of the cops walking the Chewbacca guy through there? Did they seem psychologically like they were coming undone? Yeah, it's a new world order. It's crazy.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

It is through the fucking looking glass, dude. It's not a world order. It's a world upside down order.

[Adam Carolla]

Right? And I'm saying right, left, cherry pick here, cherry pick there. Yeah, it's true. But stop accusing people of doing things they didn't do or to the degree they did them, and it would stop, Stop this of the Defense of the. Stop. You don't want to be yelled at. LA Unified School District. Stop locking kids out of school for two years. You did that. And now there's this idiots. So till next time, adam Kroll for Dr. Saiyan. Mahalo.