Comedian Dustin Ybarra + Actor/Musician Gary Sinise

Summary

The Adam Carolla Show – Episode: Comedian Dustin Ybarra & Actor/Musician Gary Sinise
Release Date: December 2, 2024
Guests: Dustin Ybarra (Comedian), Gary Sinise (Actor/Musician)
Host: Adam Carolla
Platform: PodcastOne / Carolla Digital

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of The Adam Carolla Show, host Adam Carolla welcomes comedian Dustin Ybarra and esteemed actor/musician Gary Sinise. The trio navigates a blend of humor, personal anecdotes, and incisive commentary on contemporary societal issues, all while maintaining their signature candidness and wit.

Main Discussions

1. Navigating Personal Relationships and Humor

The conversation kicks off with lighthearted banter about personal habits and relationships. Gary Sinise humorously critiques the notion of maintaining personal power within relationships, leading to a series of comedic exchanges about interventions and quirky parenting techniques.

• Gary Sinise [04:05]: "I saw you chugging. Dustin does with seed oils what they do in the NFL..."
• Adam Carolla [04:39]: "They can get milk out of anything... I just wanna eat the almonds."

2. Critique of Celebrity Press Junkets and Emotional Authenticity

The guests delve into celebrity culture, specifically mocking the emotional displays observed during Ariana Grande's press junket. Gary Sinise expresses skepticism about the authenticity of such emotional expressions, highlighting a perceived disparity in genuine versus performative emotions in the entertainment industry.

• Gary Sinise [06:00]: "Women are going fucking insane. Men are going nuts, too, because men are becoming women."
• Adam Carolla [06:31]: "I've been seeing it because I've been watching the press junket things..."

3. Experiences with TSA and Racial Tensions

Gary Sinise shares his frustrating encounters with TSA agents, linking them to broader discussions on racial tensions and DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) programs. The conversation underscores how systemic issues can manifest in everyday interactions, exacerbating misunderstandings and hostilities.

• Gary Sinise [24:58]: "I've been in Oxnard Saturday. Do you think your mom. That's why you hate women so much as your mom."
• Adam Carolla [69:03]: "That's a nice way to say, well."

4. The Tragic Story of Liam Payne and Media Accountability

The episode shifts to a somber tone as the hosts discuss the controversial circumstances surrounding Liam Payne's death. They critique the media's handling of the situation, questioning accountability and transparency within law enforcement and journalistic practices.

• Gary Sinise [29:28]: "We have the worst. The worst TSA agents. Oh, with their power..."
• Adam Carolla [32:07]: "They say, ask or act?"

5. AI Girlfriends and Loneliness Among Young Men

A significant portion of the discussion centers on the potential psychological impacts of AI-powered girlfriends. Eric Schmidt's warnings about exacerbating loneliness among young men are examined, with the guests pondering the societal ramifications of such technological advancements.

• Dustin Ibarra [82:38]: "Parents are gonna have to be more involved for obvious reasons."
• Gary Sinise [86:44]: "I think partially, yeah, I think you might have hit something there."

6. DEI Programs and Escalating Hostility

The hosts provide a critical analysis of DEI programs, arguing that instead of fostering inclusivity, they may inadvertently heighten racial tensions and hostility. The conversation emphasizes the need for genuine understanding and effective communication to bridge societal divides.

• Dustin Ibarra [68:38]: "It doesn't fit their narrative."
• Gary Sinise [69:02]: "But she's going to tell it to you. It all ties in."

Personal Stories

Gary Sinise on Loss and Legacy

Gary Sinise shares a heart-wrenching account of losing his son, Mac, to cancer. He delves into how music became a pivotal medium for preserving his son's legacy, illustrating the profound role of art in coping with grief and honoring loved ones.

• Jason Mayhem Miller [97:53]: "He was a musician who put music on the back burner for years because he was trying to fight cancer..."
• Gary Sinise [106:13]: "History's not gonna be kind to him. There's gonna be a bunch more shit about Fauci."

Conclusion

This episode of The Adam Carolla Show seamlessly intertwines humor with deep, reflective conversations on personal loss, societal issues, and the complexities of modern relationships. Through the candid exchanges between Adam Carolla, Dustin Ybarra, and Gary Sinise, listeners are offered both laughter and thoughtful insights, making it a compelling listen for a diverse audience.

Notable Quotes

• Gary Sinise [06:00]: "Women are going fucking insane. Men are going nuts, too, because men are becoming women."
• Adam Carolla [04:39]: "They can get milk out of anything... I just wanna eat the almonds."
• Gary Sinise [24:58]: "I've been in Oxnard Saturday. Do you think your mom. That's why you hate women so much as your mom."
• Dustin Ibarra [68:38]: "It doesn't fit their narrative."
• Jason Mayhem Miller [97:53]: "He was a musician who put music on the back burner for years because he was trying to fight cancer..."

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Transcript

[Adam Carolla]

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[Dustin Ibarra]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[Gary Sinise]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[Gary Sinise]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[Gary Sinise]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[Gary Sinise]

Well, very funny. Comedian Dustin Ybarro is going to join us. We roll on this show and I'm going to dust off the six Mijos for him. That's right, I added one. Gary Sinise, great actor, great musician and philanthropist, is going to join us as well. And also we'll do the news with mayhem right after this.

[Adam Carolla]

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[Gary Sinise]

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[Jason Mayhem Miller]

This is the Adam Corolla Show.

[Gary Sinise]

Adam's guest today, comedian Dustin Ibarra and actor Gary Sinise. Plus the news and trending topics with Jason Mayhem Miller. And now a man who blew the be thankful thing before the food even came out of the oven, Adam Corolla. Yeah, get it on. Got to get on. A choice. Making a mandate. Get it on. Destiny Barra, one of my favorites. Comedian back in studio.

[Adam Carolla]

Hello, sir.

[Gary Sinise]

Dates all over the place.

[Adam Carolla]

Yep.

[Gary Sinise]

Also podcasts. Good things are happening.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, buddy.

[Gary Sinise]

Watched Dustin at the Kennedy fundraiser night of comedy. Was very impressed.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, that was fun. And now he's going to take my seed oils, which I cherish so much.

[Gary Sinise]

I know. I saw you chugging. Dustin does with seed oils what they do in the NFL and the. On the sideline when the quarterback, you know, during the timeout, just takes that bottle, just sprays it all over his face.

[Adam Carolla]

I do. I bring it on stage with me. You know, some people have drinks. I just have some olive oil right there.

[Gary Sinise]

No, not olive. Olive.

[Adam Carolla]

Olive's good.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Olive, peanut oil. Corn oil. What is it?

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah, it's seed oil, they call it. So any. Any canola or anything like that. But olive is good. Yeah. Avocado is good. I think grape seed is good. Evidently, they can get oil out of anything.

[Adam Carolla]

They can.

[Gary Sinise]

I don't know that I could get, like, they can get milk out of anything. Like, if someone gave me an almond and was like, milk it, I'd be like, this is a dried weird nut. Like, where's the milk? We make milk.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

I'm like, I can't milk an almond.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, you can make milk out of anything. I was watching this guy on Instagram. He's like, make your own almond milk. But it takes like a ton of almonds just to make a little bit of milk, man. It's like, I don't know if that's worth it. I would rather just eat the almonds and then won't I get the benefits of the milk.

[Gary Sinise]

If you really think about the fact there's a math that you're doing, which is totally correct. Yeah. If the milk, in fact, lays within the almond.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Gary Sinise]

And then I just. Instead of trying to milk. Going out to the almond barn and trying to milk the almond, if. With my pail.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

And my little bonnet on. Yeah. My maids are milking. What if I just instead take a handful of almonds, throw them into my mouth and pulverize them with my teeth, thus extracting the milk and enjoying my almonds.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, simple, simple, simpler time.

[Gary Sinise]

I got. I got a question for you. Oh, I don't know if you saw this wicked press junket with Ariana Grande and the chick. There's something going on.

[Adam Carolla]

I've been watching that.

[Gary Sinise]

Women are going fucking insane. Men are going nuts, too, because men are becoming women. But women are so. Women have always been nuts. Men are becoming women and men are about where women were in the nut job department about 15 years ago. But women have gone 15 years ahead. They're going completely insane. There's a weird feelings thing that is washed over our nation, and I don't even know what it is.

[Adam Carolla]

I've been seeing it because I've been watching the press junket things, and they're always, like, touching each other. You know what I'm saying? Like, they touch each other a lot.

[Gary Sinise]

You made a movie out of a musical that already existed. Yeah. Why are you crying and calling this person a hero and saying they inspire you? You do the least difficult job in the world in that once you provided you can do it. Here's what I'm saying.

[Adam Carolla]

What do you mean? If you can act, you can act.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah. Like, if for me, singing would be a very difficult job, but if you could sing, then it's pretty easy because that's what you can do. I don't think Mariah Carey struggles. No, I think it's pretty easy.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. If you're good at something. Well, they've been practicing their whole lives, too, so it's like, yeah, you're gonna do good. You're gonna sing.

[Gary Sinise]

Well, I can ride a unicycle.

[Adam Carolla]

No, you can't.

[Gary Sinise]

Oh, yes, I can.

[Adam Carolla]

Why aren't you bringing that on stage, man?

[Gary Sinise]

You're right.

[Adam Carolla]

You got Oxnard on set Friday.

[Gary Sinise]

Dancing with the Stars.

[Adam Carolla]

Did you really?

[Gary Sinise]

They made a law. Dancing with the Stars. No more prop, no more props. Because I rode a unicycle on Dance with Stars.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, you badass.

[Gary Sinise]

But the point is this. I'm not here to talk about myself. I can ride a unicycle. You. And I'm gauging this by how impressed you were about me riding unicycle. Cannot ride a unicycle.

[Adam Carolla]

I mean, I've never tried, but.

[Gary Sinise]

All right, so maybe.

[Adam Carolla]

Do you have it in the studio?

[Gary Sinise]

There's probably one somewhere here.

[Adam Carolla]

I'll try it out.

[Gary Sinise]

We'll film that.

[Adam Carolla]

Is it a wide tire? I can do that.

[Gary Sinise]

No, there's only one. And you gotta stay on It. All right, but here's my point, okay? Not difficult for me to ride a unicycle because I can do it. And I don't think it's difficult for Ariana Granda to sing, because she can. Yeah. So these two have one of the easier jobs in the nation, and yet they have to sit there and talk about what heroes they are now, look like, to me, a tough job are the guys who put up the giant windmills in the wind farms. They're like, 35 stories tall. They got to stand on top of them and wrench that just seems. Sometimes they catch on fire and they're trapped up there. That's a tough job.

[Adam Carolla]

That's a scary job.

[Gary Sinise]

And the guys who built Elon Musk rocket, Chopstick cradle collector. That's a tough job. But hanging around on a set doing a musical, you didn't write the music, you didn't write the lyrics. You didn't do anything. Someone just tells you where to stand and what to say. All right, let's watch the clip, and you tell me what you think. Also. You can pause for a second. The septum piercing. The nose septum piercing. Ladies, it's enough. Stop. Stop it. Stop it. Black women. Black women are up to, like, 86% in the septic, Pierce. White women are in the mid-70s. Knock it the fuck off. Nobody likes it.

[Adam Carolla]

You don't like the septum, Piers?

[Gary Sinise]

I do. As a way to move you around like I do with my prized bowl. You know what I mean? Like, I like that I could get you into the bedroom with just that little thing. One little pinch of the forefinger, and th. Like, come on, we're going. We're going to bed. No, we're not. We're going. Here we go. Here we go. I want to finish watching the view. No, no, no. Here we go. Here we go.

[Adam Carolla]

Interesting look.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah, I do like it in terms of physically moving them. Okay, but aesthetically? Is that what you're asking aesthetically or asking aesthetically not about the practical application?

[Adam Carolla]

You could put, like, some kind of rope in there. I could string.

[Gary Sinise]

I could string some lamp cord through that. Like, let's just say she took a nap on her back.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay.

[Gary Sinise]

Right. And then I come in there, and I either string some lamp cord through there, or I take a simple dog leash with a clip, and I just clip it while she's asleep.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

And then she wakes up, and then she goes, what do you want to do for dinner? And I go, I'm kind of have hankering for Hungarian food. And she goes, I'm not eating Hungarian. And I go, you're not. Here we go. I just tug it. Walk her out to the car. Yeah, sit down.

[Adam Carolla]

You wouldn't even have to walk. Once they get the tug.

[Gary Sinise]

Once they get the tug, they know.

[Adam Carolla]

Which way doggy is like, yeah, here we go. Here we go.

[Gary Sinise]

And then she sits in the car and she's like, I'm not eating Hungarian food. I'm like, oh, yes, we are. Tug into the restaurant.

[Adam Carolla]

Boom.

[Gary Sinise]

You know what I mean?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

And then at some point, when the check shows up, she's like, I'm not paying you.

[Adam Carolla]

Not.

[Gary Sinise]

Oh, oh. And then she's like, are you sure you should have your third scotch and soda? And I'm like, what? What? Hold on.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, that one I feel like, is more of a kind of.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah, that's a little. Come on now.

[Adam Carolla]

That's pulling the paracord, right? Yeah. Boom.

[Gary Sinise]

Don't like it. Don't know what it achieves. It feels a little antisocial to me.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, it feels very punk looking, but like, they're older, so I don't know if it really works, but, like, they are the establishment kind of.

[Gary Sinise]

You're forcing me to check you for boogers.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

You know what I mean?

[Adam Carolla]

You know, there's some boogers, like, right in the back of that thing, man.

[Gary Sinise]

Either way, I must. I am drawn to it. Like a bass is to allure. You know what I mean? Like, I need. And now I'm looking up your nose and I don't know. Mm.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, it's very bad guy, Ninja Turtle type of look, you know?

[Gary Sinise]

All right, so we have the one minute clip of them discussing the process.

[Adam Carolla]

And I feel. And I have feelings and I can share them. And if you need to cry right now, you cry.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah. Hold on. You know, to make our eyes well up. A little tug on that. If I need you to cry, I give it a little tug on my leash.

[Adam Carolla]

I get one of those lines that magicians use too, so you can't see it.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So people won't make you feel bad in public. You would just have that invisible David Blaine.

[Gary Sinise]

I wouldn't be bad. Like, I would take her out for a walk, get her some exercise. You know what I mean? If I was gonna be out of town for a little bit, I'd hire a wife walker. Okay. Show up, take the leash.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Maybe if you can't get over, then you just could wrap it around a tree or something.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah. While I'm going into the store.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, exactly.

[Gary Sinise]

If I had to go into a dick sporting good, I would just kind of tie her up at the fire hydrant or something outside that would be. And then I could go in because I don't know if they let you walk them in there.

[Adam Carolla]

No, some stories don't allow you.

[Gary Sinise]

Right, right. All right. Ariana Grande is holding her hand while she's talking about her feelings. So here we go.

[Adam Carolla]

And I can share them.

[Gary Sinise]

And if you need to cry right now, you cry. She's waving it. I don't know why.

[Adam Carolla]

Someone said to me once that the green was the thing that I would love the most about Upper Bird, that I would want to stay green, but actually being green.

[Gary Sinise]

Yes, I loved playing this character, but.

[Adam Carolla]

Every time I took the makeup off, I loved who I was even more.

[Gary Sinise]

Oh, even more. Hold on.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, man.

[Gary Sinise]

So is that possible?

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know. I just.

[Gary Sinise]

I don't feel like she could love who she was even more. I feel like she's at her saturation level with self love. Like, she's maxed out. Like, Dustin, you could do it.

[Adam Carolla]

I could love myself more, but, like, I just hope this interview is like Dallas local news. Some old man reporter. All right. Hey, can you speak up?

[Gary Sinise]

Yes. Stu Abraham here, like, in a sport coat from the 70s.

[Adam Carolla]

We got the wicked cast here. Dude, it looks like those nails, too. Look at that.

[Gary Sinise]

Man, That's a lot of nails are hard.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, I would love to get a back scratch from that right there.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah, well, that's why I need the leash. She's dangerous.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, you should have got. You should have got her clipped.

[Gary Sinise]

Oh, all right, so. So she's got. She's gonna talk about. All right. She's talking about loving herself more now that she took the. Took the makeup off.

[Adam Carolla]

But every time I took the makeup.

[Gary Sinise]

Off, I loved who I was even more.

[Adam Carolla]

So I've come away like. Oh, my God. Feeling really beautiful. You are.

[Gary Sinise]

You are.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

Holy. Come on, look at her. She's not fat. What you've brought to this film, I love this part for good. Thank you. Thank you very much.

[Adam Carolla]

Thank you.

[Gary Sinise]

This is also my first time ever doing a jump. Well, you have been such a gift.

[Adam Carolla]

You brought such light into it.

[Gary Sinise]

Oh, my God.

[Adam Carolla]

Thank you very much.

[Gary Sinise]

We appreciate coming into this room. Thank you. We need.

[Adam Carolla]

We needed to come.

[Gary Sinise]

Dustin.

[Adam Carolla]

I can smell the estrogen from here.

[Gary Sinise]

Is this your first podcast?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[Adam Carolla]

Adam. Whenever I'm on set, I wear makeup sometimes, and when I take it off, I look at myself and I hate Myself?

[Gary Sinise]

Oh, no, no, no.

[Adam Carolla]

I just like. I don't like you. I like. You had better. You had bags without it. No, no. You're so beautiful. Can I cry? Okay, hang on. I'm lactating, by the way.

[Gary Sinise]

Would you guys look at Dustin over here? Look at him.

[Adam Carolla]

Look at me.

[Gary Sinise]

Look at him. Look at him. Are you right? This is his first podcast. He's doing an amazing job.

[Adam Carolla]

Thank you.

[Gary Sinise]

Oh, my God. Don't you ever say that about yourself.

[Adam Carolla]

I get scared sometimes.

[Gary Sinise]

No. Don't you ever give up your power. You can't give up your power.

[Adam Carolla]

I took your power.

[Gary Sinise]

It's hard, I know. Maybe you need a septum piercing. Septum piercing. Septum piercing. Yeah, I think it is. Hang on, hang on, hang on. That's your power. That's my power. Don't give up your power. I was watching Kamala Harris explaining that no one should ever give up their power, which he had, I bet. Okay, well, we'll show it. But then there's a couple of questions, which is she is talking to the people who voted for her and telling them not to give up their power, but how much power do they wield When Hitler got elected, I would argue not as much power as they thought because they don't have enough power to get this crazy bitch elected. So how much power are we really talking about?

[Adam Carolla]

It's not as much as it was, that's for sure.

[Gary Sinise]

But she's going to tell it to you. It all tie in.

[Adam Carolla]

Let's see what she says.

[Gary Sinise]

I just have to remind you, don't you ever let anybody take your power from you. You have the same power that you.

[Adam Carolla]

Did before November 5th, and you have.

[Gary Sinise]

The same purpose that you did, and.

[Adam Carolla]

You have the same ability to engage and inspire.

[Gary Sinise]

Inspire.

[Adam Carolla]

So don't ever let anybody or any.

[Gary Sinise]

Circumstance take your power from you. Okay? Done and done.

[Adam Carolla]

What if the. What if I haven't paid my electric bill and they're like, we want to take your power?

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

No, you can't take my power. Kamala.

[Gary Sinise]

Let's say it's been three months since you cut your utility company a check.

[Adam Carolla]

You're not going to take my power.

[Gary Sinise]

No, it's my power.

[Adam Carolla]

You can't take my power.

[Gary Sinise]

Can't take it.

[Adam Carolla]

You have more power now than November 5th.

[Gary Sinise]

That's right.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

You know, here's my thing about all the ladies and especially the ladies of color who may be watching. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

You have a big fan base there.

[Gary Sinise]

Well, I'm talking about Kamala, not me. I assume women in the 90 percentile voted for Kamala of color, so, like, 92% of black women. Okay, so basically everybody who works security at LAX voted for her. Look, if you did a. If you just went around lax, every single person at work security at LAX voted for Kamala Harris.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, I can see that.

[Gary Sinise]

Okay. Okay. And I don't want you to give up your power.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay?

[Gary Sinise]

But leave it at home for when I'm traveling, because I don't like you and all. I don't like all the power you have. When I'm trying to fucking get through security, that's an issue, lady.

[Adam Carolla]

They got power.

[Gary Sinise]

They got a lot of power.

[Adam Carolla]

Yell, bro. I was in power. I was in Dallas. I saw them yell at it. This person was, like, asking another pastor, like, hey, do you know which line I go to? She's, ma'am, quit asking questions. It was an old lady, too.

[Gary Sinise]

Why? They say, ask or act?

[Adam Carolla]

There might have been an X in.

[Gary Sinise]

There may have been an X in there. Was it a body spray or a question mark? All right, I'm saying there is a direct correlation between these nutty bitches telling all these people to never give up your power and never let anyone. To them being super shitty to me at the airport. I'm just asking a question. Or I'm making a comment. Like, you're saying, I gotta take this bag and check it back at the counter. And I'm saying, I walked through the airport 10,000 times with this bag and never had to go, no, you're trying.

[Adam Carolla]

To take their power.

[Gary Sinise]

I'm trying to take.

[Adam Carolla]

You look like a power taker, too.

[Gary Sinise]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. If I were to see you, I'd be like, oh, this.

[Gary Sinise]

He wants my power. Yeah. So we've weaponized these people because we think they think we're trying to take their power, but we're really just trying to get to Fresno.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

Without any incident.

[Adam Carolla]

No, no.

[Gary Sinise]

But it becomes a power struggle.

[Adam Carolla]

Power taker, right? Yeah. You're tall. You know, you're white. Dude. I even. Right now, I'm like, is Adam gonna try to take my power?

[Gary Sinise]

I did steal some of it before the show started, bro.

[Adam Carolla]

You did. I was like, I'm in Oxnard Saturday.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah, you're doing a show. That's right.

[Adam Carolla]

But you're doing the one before me. But I thought that you were doing my day, and I thought. I thought they just canceled me to put you in. I was like, okay, that kind of makes sense. I can see that.

[Gary Sinise]

No, no, no. You're. You're. You're Muy caliente. You're on fire. Moving up the charts.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

I don't know.

[Gary Sinise]

The power.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, I figured out, too. Speaking of Kamala, Okay. I figured out, okay, I'm Mexican, like, how Kamala Harris is black, you know, because I'm half Mexican, she's half black. But I only use my Mexicanness whenever. Like, I kind of need something, you know?

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Like, if I'm at. Like, hey, if I'm trying to get a car or something, and the salesman is like, Mexican, he's like, oh, ibara. I'm like, yeah, what's up, fool? What's up? I'm gonna, you know, get a cattle, you know, check out some chica. And then. But then I'll switch it. He'll be like, okay, well, yeah, let's go back and check your credit. And I'm like, well, actually, we've all made mistakes in the past, but I get what she does whenever she starts, because I'll do that, like, around other Mexican people. If I'm starting to feel like, not enough. Yeah, I'll start doing a little bit of.

[Gary Sinise]

Everybody. Actually, it's weird. Trump doesn't do it at all in front of any group he's on, which is weird. He also doesn't dress any differently. Do a lot of people do? Like, if you're going in front of the factory workers, that's where you put the hunting vest on.

[Adam Carolla]

He did wear a McDonald's out there.

[Gary Sinise]

He did dress up.

[Adam Carolla]

He did have a headset on. So that's kind of. Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

He was running for mayor, McGee. I don't know if you know that. All right, so you can't give up your power, and you shouldn't let anyone ever take it away.

[Adam Carolla]

No.

[Gary Sinise]

That's what we've learned. And I do think everyone thinks everything I talk about is sort of a joke, but it's really not. I think taking every person of color and trying to explain to them that someone is trying to take away their power is why they're the rudest to me at the fucking airport. There is a connection.

[Adam Carolla]

You must have had something recently. It's because you're flying today too.

[Gary Sinise]

Yes, it's many. There are many. I have many incidents of that. Many. And it's normally they're just kind of basic and rude, which you don't really get in other settings. Like, you don't get that at the Starbucks, and you don't get that at Chipotle, or the tire wheel and balancing center, the Jiffy Lube or something. You don't really get shit attitude, you know? I'm telling you, it is something about.

[Adam Carolla]

The TSA that's like a. It's like they're purposely mean. Like, they gotta tell them that at training, right?

[Gary Sinise]

Oh, yeah. No, we LAX especially. I think they head hunt. Like, I think they go to Portland and Seattle and they go to Nevada, and they go, who are your meanest TSA agents? And they go, well, we have some definite. Some issues with some of these people. All right. We're gonna give them a bonus and see if we can attract them like they'll do with nurses. You know what I mean? Like, you go, I don't want to live in Oklahoma. What if we give you $50,000 to move to Oklahoma and assign. And a bump and we'll pay for your expenses to move.

[Adam Carolla]

Like, I think.

[Gary Sinise]

I think LAX recruits the biggest.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

From all tsm, and they kind of.

[Adam Carolla]

Look at it like a. Like a football lineup, you know?

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Like a fantasy league. I got this person from Dallas, you know.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Like Carla from Ohio.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah. Carla. Working the X ray machine is kind of a bitch, but I think we could do bitch here.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

I caught her the other day saying, have a safe flight.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, no, she's not cut from white cloth.

[Gary Sinise]

No. The greatest one I had, and I've mentioned it a few times, but I can't get over it, was actually, I think, in Seattle, where the woman, sort of Maxine Waters Aunt Esther, crazy old black lady. But I think she thought I was trying to steal her power, you know, and she was a. She was checking at the kiosk. The first thing you run into, not the line, not the X ray, but just way off over there.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

And she. She looked at my, you know, my ticket, my license and everything. And then she saw I was holding a Starbucks cup because I devil I just bought. I just spent $9 on a latte, you know, and the line had 40 people in it, but she thought I was trying to steal her power.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh.

[Gary Sinise]

So she goes. She goes, okay, and you can throw that coffee way right here. There's a trash can. I go, well, I'm gonna hang on to it till I get to the end of the line there, and then I'll throw it away. And she goes, oh, or you can throw it away here.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow. I can't believe that. You might as well.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Power.

[Adam Carolla]

You might as well sprayed a civil rights fire hose right there.

[Gary Sinise]

That's right. Right. Had my German shepherd attacker. So I said, I'll just. I think I can just hang on to it. Until I go through. I get in line. Right. I don't have to throw it away, though. Right. I just bought it. And she goes, or you can throw it away right now. And I go, I'm just gonna hang onto it, and then I'll throw it away when I get to the X ray machine. And she goes, well, then, go on, get. She yelled, get, Get.

[Adam Carolla]

Go on, get. She'll get like, you're some, like, dog attacking chickens or something.

[Gary Sinise]

Oh, I heard a shotgun pump in my head. That's right there. Get.

[Adam Carolla]

I wish I could have seen what she sees you as. You know what I'm saying?

[Gary Sinise]

The person that's trying to steal her power.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah, totally.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

It's almost like in that movie. What was that movie where the dude put on the glasses and he could see the alien people?

[Gary Sinise]

Them. No, not them. They live.

[Adam Carolla]

They live. If she had the glasses, Rowdy Roddy Piper, she would look at you and it would just be a clan.

[Gary Sinise]

She sees a landsman said with a.

[Adam Carolla]

Starbucks cup, like, get.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah. Up on a horse.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

Burning cross.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, my God.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah. No. We basically told black women, nobody wants them, everyone hates them, and we're trying to steal their power. And the people that hate them the most are white guys like me.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

And then. Which is fine if they worked in the back room of an H and R block, but then we put them at the opening of every security line and interact. Now we have to interact with them, and they think we're there to steal their power. I was there to drink my coffee and get on a fucking Southwest flight, not steal her power. And also then you can't really fire them because now we got an issue. And as Mike August always points out, whoever it is, whoever's their supervisor was doing that job six months ago.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

And they're just as bad as they are.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

But here we are.

[Adam Carolla]

And he didn't get his power stolen, so he gets it. He's like, ah, he's trying to steal your power.

[Gary Sinise]

He may bequeath his power to her.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

Well, you love comedy. You're comedy fans. That's why you're listening to this podcast. And the funniest comedians in the world are on tour right now, and you can get tickets to see them live near you. So they're traveling, and you're bringing the mountain to Mohammed. They're coming to your town. You don't have to go to their town to see them. And they got huge names in comedy. Otsuko Okotsuka is coming out. Maybe not A household name. But I bet if you're listening, you know, comedy, you love Otsuko, Bill Burr. Well, there's a guy, you know, Sebastian Maniscalco is coming to town near you. And so many more. All kinds of shows, all kinds of venues, all kinds of funny. So head to livenation.comcomedy to get your tickets today. That's live nation.com comedy. And get caught up on all the comedy. All right, there's that. And as a. As a former imbiber of drugs and alcohol, Dustin, I feel like you would. You're uniquely qualified to answer this question. I was watching TMZ and Liam Payne, the singer from One Direction, he's a.

[Adam Carolla]

Dude that died, right?

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah. We have the worst. The worst.

[Adam Carolla]

TSA agents.

[Gary Sinise]

Oh, with their power. No, I was gonna say, like, our police work is shabby. And this is in Spain. They're police workshop. For the first two months, it was like he jumped off the balcony. And then at some point, they discovered a suitcase packed with his stuff in it on the balcony directly below his. Which is not what you do when you kill yourself. You don't pack a bag. And then. And also they discovered he had his stuff on him. He took his wallet and his stuff. Like, he took his stuff.

[Adam Carolla]

Wait, it was like. So he would land on it?

[Gary Sinise]

No, he was trying to escape. Although I do. I do like your suitcase slash airbag idea.

[Adam Carolla]

That's what I thought.

[Gary Sinise]

Oh, my God.

[Adam Carolla]

Break the fall.

[Gary Sinise]

You know, every one of those people in those twin towers during 911 would still be here if they had the suitcase. Airbag.

[Adam Carolla]

Boom, boom.

[Gary Sinise]

You're right.

[Adam Carolla]

It's Argentina. Those cops. I don't know.

[Gary Sinise]

I don't know.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know how they're. I've never seen CSI Argentina, but you're right. I don't know what they have.

[Gary Sinise]

They're like, he committed suicide by jumping off this balcony. It's like, it didn't. It took you two months to spot his suitcase on the balcony beneath.

[Adam Carolla]

Dude. And in the video.

[Gary Sinise]

And he had all his stuff on him.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Did you see the video? Because I saw it on Twitter and it was like he was. It looked like he was. He could have been being like, chase. Like, not chase, but someone could have been in the. Because it looked like.

[Gary Sinise]

I think it might.

[Adam Carolla]

He wasn't like a jump off.

[Gary Sinise]

He was high as a kite. And they tried to lock him in his room. And he said, I'm blowing this tacos down. But as a former user of drugs, I would like you to sort of weigh in on his recipe here.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh. I mean, what kind of drugs do you think was right there? Because, I mean, that's got to be like a hallucinogen. I don't know.

[Gary Sinise]

This thing. Or we're just not.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, are we playing some?

[Gary Sinise]

I think so.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh.

[Gary Sinise]

Federal prosecutors in Argentina claim that Liam Payne's friend Roger abandoned him during his final hours as the singer was on a bender ordering booze, coke, and hookers. But Roger says Liam seemed fine. One of the three people charged in Liam Payne's death is a guy named Roger Norris for abandonment. Prosecutors say he left Liam Payne around 4:00. Hold on. And that Liam was. We cannot prosecute the dude maintain guy. No, think about all the people. Dude maintain. And then left.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, Bro, are they telling him he's being charged for abandoning him?

[Gary Sinise]

There's a job. The job is called dude maintain guy. Okay, you yell, dude, maintain.

[Adam Carolla]

Dude maintain.

[Gary Sinise]

And then at some point after the third dude maintain is ignored, then I leave.

[Adam Carolla]

Then it's all I've had.

[Gary Sinise]

The whole relationship I have with my friends when I was like, 22, I would yell, dude, maintain.

[Adam Carolla]

My real dad must have said that to me. Me when I was a baby. I did not maintain. He did maintain, dude. He, like, maintained me. Yeah, Maintain.

[Gary Sinise]

I'll give you my five mijos in a minute.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, okay.

[Gary Sinise]

I'm writing that down.

[Adam Carolla]

Five mijos.

[Gary Sinise]

Oh, I have many mijos.

[Adam Carolla]

Really?

[Gary Sinise]

You don't know about all? You know my 5M you.

[Adam Carolla]

I thought there was just one mijo, dude. What?

[Gary Sinise]

Keep my power with my five. There's five or six. I have five or six mijos.

[Adam Carolla]

That's very powerful mijos.

[Gary Sinise]

Wait till you hear it.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay.

[Gary Sinise]

All right, Sorry. Rest of the story. Okay, Say he left Liam Payne around 4:00, and that Liam was off the rails at that point. That was about an hour before he hid.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Gary Sinise]

People close to Roger say that when Roger left him at 4 o'clock, there was no sign of intoxication. But prosecutors laid out a timeline detailing why they didn't believe that to be true, saying Liam Spender started the night before his death at 10pm when he ordered four bottles of whiskey. And then at 6:36am on the morning of his death, ordered five more. And then at 7am all right. Deposit. Okay, that's.

[Adam Carolla]

Wasn't that a Kenny Rogers song? Yeah. Four bottles of whiskey. Order five more bottles of whiskey.

[Gary Sinise]

Five more. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

That's a lot of whiskey. That's a lot like it.

[Gary Sinise]

Four bottles at 10pm and then at 6:30?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Oh, you gotta have the hair of the dog. Yeah, I get that part.

[Gary Sinise]

I know, but that's the whole dog. That's not just the hair.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

That's a dog eating a shih Tzu at that point.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

All right, so we'll keep it going. So 10:10pm night before or bottles of whiskey. Four bottles of whiskey. And then at 6:30, 6am on the morning of his death, ordered five more. And then at 7am he texted Roger saying he's gonna have sex with a hooker that day. And then at 9:30, he texts Roger again and says, can you get me six grams of cocaine? Wow. Two prostitutes show up. They claim they had sex with Liam. He asked them for more cocaine and then freaked out when they asked to be paid. Smashing the TV. 2:00pm hold on, can I say this? Way too many guys freak out over paying prostitutes. You know what, It's a weird thing. A lot of celebrities and people like getting in trouble when they ask for payment, which I feel it's like, it's like what happened to Corolla? He's locked up. He ordered Chinese food. The guy showed up and he wanted payment. He fucking freaked out on him. I don't know, isn't that part that's baked in right? Like you're going to come over and drop some pussy off or some Indian food off or some Chinese food off. Why do you get to freak out? And by the way, you just got fucked. I didn't even get to the delivery guy. I just got kung Fu Chicken.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, yeah, but you don't know what were the prostitutes, what you ordered? What if, you know, like, what if your broccoli and beef had a little too much beef, you know what I'm saying? Could have been one of those situations. Yeah, show up, they got some danglies.

[Gary Sinise]

Out there, a little too much hair in the fortune cookie.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know if I would pay for that.

[Gary Sinise]

They always get angry. They do two things. They don't pay the prostitute and then they smash the TV set. Like the fucking tv?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, there's always a TV getting smashed.

[Gary Sinise]

That TV set, that's my fucking power, bro. Yeah, Joy, a TV set has brought.

[Adam Carolla]

Me way more than two hookers.

[Gary Sinise]

I was raised by TV set. Are you kidding me? I spend every night worshiping the TV God.

[Adam Carolla]

And I like how they.

[Gary Sinise]

And who's the joke on when you break your hotel room?

[Adam Carolla]

Tv, tv.

[Gary Sinise]

Well, not only that. Okay, no sports center for you tonight.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

Okay.

[Adam Carolla]

What am I going to do? Jump on the balcony? Yeah. Yeah, no sports and habit.

[Gary Sinise]

Okay. Yeah, all right, sorry. We'll keep it going because he got more. He got hookers, he got coke.

[Adam Carolla]

If he didn't die, it would seem like kind of a National Lampoon type of movie.

[Gary Sinise]

6 grams of coke is a fair bit of coke.

[Adam Carolla]

That is a lot of coke.

[Gary Sinise]

Pm he goes to a hotel employee and says, I'm going to need another 7 grams today at 3:45. All right, so hold on a second. This guy gets four bottles of whiskey, and then at 6:30 the next morning, he goes, I'm going to need five. And then he gets the six grams of Coke at 9:30am and at 2, he needs seven more grams of coke, bro.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm telling you, it sounds like such a good country song, bro.

[Gary Sinise]

It sounds like a George Thorogood song. You can. He's got one whiskey, one scotch, and one beer, right?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. So four bottles, six grams and two hookers also.

[Gary Sinise]

Look, I don't want to appear to be naive. I've been around coke. I've been around booze and hookers, skin hookers, busted tv. Can you do that much coke alone?

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know.

[Gary Sinise]

You can do.

[Adam Carolla]

I mean, you could do a lot.

[Gary Sinise]

You can do a lot.

[Adam Carolla]

But it's kind of like you always order. Whenever it's coke, you always order more than you think you can, you know? Cause you don't want to run out. Because then if you run out, you know, you're. You're done. It's so sad.

[Gary Sinise]

Is he alone doing 13 grams of coke?

[Adam Carolla]

He could. Dude, I had a buddy who would go hard, like, and I was a big, big coke guy too, but I never went like, what do you think.

[Gary Sinise]

The most coke you ever did in one sitting?

[Adam Carolla]

I did a good amount. Probably like, I don't know, like an eight ball, maybe more like, I would.

[Gary Sinise]

Two and a half grams.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. But then. But the thing is, with coke and whiskey, you could make sense because you got to have the coke, you got to have the whiskey because you do the coke. It sobers you up. You need more whiskey and then you need more coke. You know, it's kind of like whenever you, like, eat something sweet and then you need something salty.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah. So eight ball is 2.3 grams or.

[Adam Carolla]

What is never good at.

[Gary Sinise]

Not good. Someone will figure out what an eight ball is. But you could do an eight ball, probably 3.5 grams. Oh, 3.5. That's a lot. Eighth of an ounce. Eighth of an ounce.

[Adam Carolla]

I couldn't do an eight ball anymore.

[Gary Sinise]

No. But in Your prime?

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, in my prime, I was here.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah. You could do an eight ball, especially.

[Adam Carolla]

This is over, like, two days. You know what I'm saying?

[Gary Sinise]

Well, no, it's only from 9.

[Adam Carolla]

In 1pm the night before, though.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah. Yeah, but he. He gets the Coke at 9 in the morning, 9:30 in the morning, then he gets Coke at 2. Well, actually just said he's going to need another. I don't know what hotel this is, but I'd like to stay there. I've been down to the lobby of a hotel and been like, can I get a Miller Light? The cooler's closed. Yeah, okay. I'll go back to my room.

[Adam Carolla]

55, sir. You lush.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah, I. This guy just goes down the lobby. He's like, I need seven grams of coke. The guy's working the floor buffers, like, all right.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, hotel employee. I just caught that. It was. Yeah, some dude just works there.

[Gary Sinise]

The next time I'm at the Red Roof Inn by the airport, I'm gonna try that shit.

[Adam Carolla]

At Red Roof, you might be able to score something. Actually, Motel 6, you can get some meth, I'm pretty sure. But Red Roof might be a little classier.

[Gary Sinise]

All right, so we'll continue the play this.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay.

[Gary Sinise]

Hotel. According to the prosecutors, to pay the prostitutes. And a hotel employee noticed the word.

[Dustin Ibarra]

They used was visibly drunk.

[Gary Sinise]

Now, Roger says, not true. Roger says he was fine. And this is when Roger leaves. And prosecutors say Liam becomes really erratic and hotel employees have to carry him to his room. And they're called, calling Roger, according to these documents, saying, come take care of him.

[Adam Carolla]

How do they have his number?

[Gary Sinise]

According to the prosecutors, when he got to the hotel, let them know I'm here with him. Liam's dad said that essentially Roger was responsible for caring for him. They're trying to put responsibility on Roger, but there's no, like, form guy. He would be Liam's caretaker.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

He was a friend.

[Gary Sinise]

His dad said he voluntarily undertook responsibility for Liam on this trip and knew that Liam could not be alone. As sad as it is to say, the only one responsible is Liam. Yeah. So what happens next?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, see, I'm with that, too, because it's like, you can't. You can't expect someone else to, like, save you. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you're a guy. I remember when I was out and I was going hard and stuff. That would have sucked if, like, somewhere to happen to me. And then my friend gets blamed for it. You know, it's my fault.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Like, I shouldn't have been partying like that. And it's not. You're no one else. Unless he's like a sober companion or something where it's like, you're getting paid to watch this guy. Then I don't know, I feel like.

[Gary Sinise]

I would be the guy in the next room.

[Adam Carolla]

They would be in trouble. The guy being like, no, I'd just.

[Gary Sinise]

Be staying at the hotel. I'd be at the hotel. I would have saved and planned this trip to Argentina for years. And at some point going, I've been saying to my woman, look, you spend a little extra, but you stay at a world class hotel. You should a world. I'd just be in the next room here in queefing and TV sprinkles, fighting with a pillow over my head. Guys yell, making crack pipes out of foil and busting stuff up. And then I'd hear some shit on my balcony, you know, like guy crawling around on a balcony. And then it's like rolling and trying to fluff my pillow up.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, God. You would, yeah. Would you be able to get a refund at the hotel after that? I feel like you'd be able to get some. I feel like couple of Comptonites, they.

[Gary Sinise]

Had to throw you at least a voucher for like a continental breakfast or something.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

Like these guys there were whores fighting. I could smell cocaine burning. I've heard at some point a guy threw a whiskey bottle in a TV set. This is going till 7am like this never ended. I got the worst night's sleep of my life. And then they would go, here's a voucher for one continental breakfast.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah. And then you get a divorce after that. It's the reason. It's like, we should have went to my mom's.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, had to go to Argentina.

[Adam Carolla]

Argentina.

[Gary Sinise]

Why couldn't we have gone to Maui? Oh, Mr. Gaucho over here. Oh, my mijos.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah, your mijos.

[Gary Sinise]

I haven't done my five or six mijos in a while.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't even know what this is. This is crazy.

[Gary Sinise]

Well, you know, mijo, mijo.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay, okay, mijo number one.

[Gary Sinise]

I'll go one through six, okay? But I'm gonna act them out for you.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay?

[Gary Sinise]

Okay. Yeah. I'm the mother. A proud Hispanic mother who has her power. I've got my power and I have my young 13 year old son. I'm a single mom.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, okay.

[Gary Sinise]

He's the light of my life. He's what I live for.

[Adam Carolla]

He's Mexican single mom.

[Gary Sinise]

Mexican single mom.

[Adam Carolla]

So you're like 15.

[Gary Sinise]

I'm a little older for Mexican single mom. And I have my 13 year old son who I refer to lovingly as mijo.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay, Right.

[Gary Sinise]

And I'm going to make him his favorite dish. Arroz con pollo.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, that's red chicken.

[Gary Sinise]

Chicken with rice.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, okay, never mind. That was way off.

[Gary Sinise]

Rojo is red. Do I gotta fucking teach you basic Spanish?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, you do.

[Gary Sinise]

Okay. Arroz.

[Adam Carolla]

Arroz. Fries. Frijoles is beans.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah. I can't try to save it with the beans. Everyone knows Taco Bell, knows what fucking friolis are. Okay, okay, okay what, you're half Mexican?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

Okay, let's focus then.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay.

[Gary Sinise]

All right. So arroz con pollo. Chicken and rice.

[Adam Carolla]

Chicken, yeah, rice. Rice and chicken.

[Gary Sinise]

Rice and chicken is what I'm making my. My son. And so it's getting dark. It's like 5, 5:30 in the afternoon. The sun, you know, shadows.

[Adam Carolla]

No cha.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah. It's getting to the point where you come home and the lights aren't necessarily on.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay.

[Gary Sinise]

Because it's just starting to get dark, you know.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay.

[Gary Sinise]

And I walk in and I'm excited with my grocery bag and I yell mih. Because I love my son.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

And remember, I'm a. I'm a middle aged Mexican woman.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, you love his son. You still have your power.

[Gary Sinise]

I got my power. I got my groceries, I got my rice.

[Adam Carolla]

Are you ready for some red chicken?

[Gary Sinise]

Well, yeah. Rice.

[Adam Carolla]

Chicken.

[Gary Sinise]

So I hear nothing.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay.

[Gary Sinise]

There's no response. Okay. So now I walk up to the top of the stairs and I stop. And this is where the second miho comes in. Mija, I don't know. Where is he?

[Adam Carolla]

Curious.

[Gary Sinise]

He was home when I left. He wouldn't go anywhere without telling me.

[Adam Carolla]

Dondes, mijo?

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah, where's mijo? And I go, Huh. I struck me a little worried, you know, where is he? That's the third mijo push the door open to his room. Remember the POV now just shows his feet dangling. He's hung himself. And me dropping the groceries in slow motion.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh my God.

[Gary Sinise]

And that's where the third Miho comes in. That's a third mijo.

[Adam Carolla]

Broken hearted.

[Gary Sinise]

Broken, devastated.

[Adam Carolla]

It's over.

[Gary Sinise]

Slow motion. Chicken and rice hitting the ground. A half gallon of horchata explodes.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh my God.

[Gary Sinise]

On the ground. Hopefully motion.

[Adam Carolla]

Hopefully the TV isn't broken.

[Gary Sinise]

No, no. He made. He was heavy set and made fun of at school for too long. He was bullied.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh wow.

[Gary Sinise]

I made him too much chicken and rice. Okay, so we're three mijos in.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay, okay.

[Gary Sinise]

But there's still more. There's more than one. You're like, oh, there's more than one. I know.

[Adam Carolla]

There's five mijos.

[Gary Sinise]

There's five. At least five. All right. The fourth mijo comes at the funeral.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, God.

[Gary Sinise]

Open casket. He's there.

[Adam Carolla]

You had to pay for that extra big casket.

[Gary Sinise]

Pay for the plus size casket.

[Adam Carolla]

Piano casket.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah, Piano sized casket. And that's when I take a knee and I do the cross. I'm catholic on the thing, and I do the meal. That's the whisper. That's the fourth meal. But there's still one more.

[Adam Carolla]

This is like the stages of grief.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

There's stages of meal.

[Gary Sinise]

There's one more mijo.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay.

[Gary Sinise]

It's one year later.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay.

[Gary Sinise]

I've never really gotten on with my life.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay.

[Gary Sinise]

You know what I mean? They show me sitting alone, still with the plate and the fork set out for mijo on the other side of.

[Adam Carolla]

The table, devastating eating.

[Gary Sinise]

Arroz campoyo.

[Adam Carolla]

Still cooking with him. Just cooking for.

[Gary Sinise]

Just eating alone. Just staring at his plate. At some point the following morning, I'm walking in my car. You know, I work at the post office.

[Adam Carolla]

Tortilla fact.

[Gary Sinise]

Come on now, let's not make a mockery. I work at the post office.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay.

[Gary Sinise]

Making tortillas. They have a division little talked about. You got to seal. Yeah, yeah. All right. I'm walking my car in the morning. I'm looking down. You know, I've never been the same.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

You know, since. Since that. At some point, fat kid goes by on a scooter. And just out of the corner of my eye for one moment.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, God.

[Gary Sinise]

You know what I mean? Just out. Just wishful thinking. Nothing.

[Adam Carolla]

That's not.

[Gary Sinise]

It's not gonna.

[Adam Carolla]

That's not her mijo.

[Gary Sinise]

No.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, wow.

[Gary Sinise]

Just another fat Mexican on a scooter.

[Adam Carolla]

Just another fat Mexican on a bird.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Geez.

[Gary Sinise]

Those are the five.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow. I felt like you took me on a journey.

[Gary Sinise]

Just listen. I've been perfecting that since the writers room at the man show.

[Adam Carolla]

When are you gonna make that into a movie?

[Gary Sinise]

The mijos.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Let me play the mijo.

[Gary Sinise]

Okay.

[Adam Carolla]

I can play the mijo or the single mom, but I think the mijo.

[Gary Sinise]

No, you could. Yeah. We're looking at, you know, we're looking at Fluffy right now, but he's gonna get it.

[Adam Carolla]

No, he's more Mexican.

[Gary Sinise]

He priced himself out of the running here.

[Adam Carolla]

So, you know, the five meals. I like it. And she only had one kid Just the one. Okay.

[Gary Sinise]

She had, well, two that died in rollover accidents. Not. Not the SUV rolling over, but mom.

[Adam Carolla]

Rolling over on them saying, the fat brother.

[Gary Sinise]

No, the moms roll over on the. In the infants when they sleep with them.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

There's moms that have done that to more than one of their kids.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, my God.

[Gary Sinise]

Do you know that at what point.

[Adam Carolla]

Are you going to put a pillow between you? Some kind of barrier?

[Gary Sinise]

At some point, you think you'd learn your lesson. On the other hand, what are the chances are you rolling over? Swipes.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

How hard do you have to sleep to not notice an infant underneath you?

[Adam Carolla]

That's kind of like when you roll. It's got to be a devastating feeling.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah. I mean, the next, not only you're.

[Adam Carolla]

Like, I'm a kid killer, but also, I'm fat, man.

[Gary Sinise]

You may be fat and drunk. Yeah. You know, I don't think that's just completely sober.

[Adam Carolla]

That's why you gotta have a crib. You gotta put your baby in a crib, man.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

If you're listening, put your baby in a crib.

[Gary Sinise]

Or you could take your fat, drunken ass and sleep in a crib and let the baby take the bed. Either way, that's a good idea. You gotta keep your gunt off that kid.

[Adam Carolla]

My mom dropped me on a sewing machine, bro.

[Gary Sinise]

Really?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Because I was on the bed and she was off somewhere else, apparently. Rolled off, fell onto a sewing machine.

[Gary Sinise]

Wow.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

Your mom did a lot of bedroom floor sewing.

[Adam Carolla]

I guess so. I don't know.

[Gary Sinise]

What a weird place to sew.

[Adam Carolla]

I've never seen pictures of the place, but I fell onto a sewing machine that was right by the bed.

[Gary Sinise]

That explains a lot.

[Adam Carolla]

It does.

[Gary Sinise]

Now I don't accept my rice and red. I want to apologize for thinking some of the things I thought about.

[Adam Carolla]

See, now my power is explained. You can see it was taken away at birth. Sewing machine.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah. Yeah. I watched like a 2020 with a fat mom who have an infant sleeping with her.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, my God.

[Gary Sinise]

And she did it to two of her kids.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, dude. I feel sorry I had a fat mom, dude. And having a fat mom whenever I see other fat people.

[Gary Sinise]

I had a fat mom, too, dude.

[Adam Carolla]

Did you ever see what's Eating Gilbert Grape?

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

You remember that scene when the fat mom is like. She's. She's at the table and she's like, pounding on it. And the kids are in the basement. They're like, this isn't going to hold up. And it's. And then the mom, dude, I was. That movie made me cry, so. Because I didn't have.

[Gary Sinise]

That's my mom. My mom wasn't fat fat. She was just unkempt and like. Like when a lady decide she doesn't care anymore.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, see, my mom was pretty. She was big.

[Gary Sinise]

She was big.

[Adam Carolla]

She was big.

[Gary Sinise]

How big would you say?

[Adam Carolla]

Ah, she was a. Oh, man, she was a big woman. She got her stomach stapled.

[Gary Sinise]

Oh, really?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, back when it was like, when it was like, new too.

[Gary Sinise]

When they actually used stapler.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, he's the swing line in gastric bypass.

[Gary Sinise]

Well, she get her fat ass down to the sewing machine on the floor. The bedroom probably fell out of her.

[Adam Carolla]

One of her creases or some shit.

[Gary Sinise]

Was she like 300 pounds fat?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, she was. There was 300 pounds, maybe more.

[Gary Sinise]

That's a weird quiet abuse for the kid.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, it was weird because then obviously our kids, you know, we were all pretty chubby.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Chunksters running around. And then she got the stomach stapled. And then she started doing like. Like not being fat and just leaving us on the fat.

[Gary Sinise]

Like, she making the rose, bro.

[Adam Carolla]

She would be like, it's. It's. It's too cold in here. And she put the thermostat up and it's like, mom, there's still fat people here, you know?

[Gary Sinise]

Sweat. Fat people sweating in this igloo, bitch. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Come on, man.

[Gary Sinise]

She was doing non fat person stuff.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, I hated it, man. It caused a big divide in the family when one goes.

[Gary Sinise]

Did she get down really crimp, dude.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. And today she's like, super skinny, man.

[Gary Sinise]

Really?

[Adam Carolla]

I remember when she was fat, my.

[Gary Sinise]

Mom was fat and that she just kind of let herself go. Yeah. You know, she wasn't like novelty fat. She was just like 175 pound fat, you know, but not 300 pound fat.

[Adam Carolla]

Did you try to tell her, like, give her some hints, like, leave like, I don't know, some workout materials around?

[Gary Sinise]

My mom let herself go in the fat department and also stop dying her hair and stuff.

[Adam Carolla]

So she had that weird.

[Gary Sinise]

She looked like a gray Mo Howard with the, like, from the Three Stooges. The first six inches of her hair was gray, and then there was a stripe where it turned red. And she didn't shave her armpits or anything.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, my God. I think I dated your mom.

[Gary Sinise]

And she would like to be standing on the porch, like, going like she was an extra. And Billy Jack, you know, just like, oh, it's so bad. Everything's so bad. And my buddy Ray, who called My house, the barn. Because it had, like, a dirt lawn and it was always broken down and everything. He was also one of these guys who just said anything. He just, like, showed up one day and he went, what's wrong with your mom? And I'm like, I don't know. Where do we start? Her? She's got hair growing out of her armpits. Her hair's like, three different colors. She's 190 pounds. I'm like, yeah, she's a mess.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

What's wrong with her?

[Adam Carolla]

You don't want to.

[Gary Sinise]

Why'd she get a job or comb her hair or something? I was like, I don't fucking know.

[Adam Carolla]

Because you don't want a hot mom, but you don't want some. Like, you don't want your buddy Rago.

[Gary Sinise]

What the happened to your mom?

[Adam Carolla]

He doesn't even make fat jokes about it because he knows.

[Gary Sinise]

Well, he didn't know where to start. It was such an overall mess that he couldn't focus in one area.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, man. Would your mom pick you up from school?

[Gary Sinise]

No, she didn't. I didn't have to. I just walked. I walked everywhere. She didn't pick me up anywhere, which was hat. I was happy. She didn't. I didn't want her. Yeah, you exposed to the rest of the country. She locked herself in a room and yelled freak out.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, man.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Do you think your mom. That's why. That's why you hate women so much as your mom.

[Gary Sinise]

Only black women at the airport. And my mom never had an airport job.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay.

[Gary Sinise]

She didn't have any job.

[Adam Carolla]

I bet your mom would kill it as a TSA agent, though.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah, she could do that.

[Adam Carolla]

Whenever you were painting the picture, I pictured the little TSA outfit on her, too. I'm like, wow, she's h. She wouldn't.

[Gary Sinise]

Be in a little outfit. She'd need a bigger outfit. And I don't think she'd be good at, like, yelling at people like they are at lax. But she could definitely bum them out.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

Like, people be like. She'd be like, where are you going? And they'd go, Maui. And she'd go, wow, a lot of people can't afford to travel. And then she would go, well, I'm going to Maui. A lot of kids going to bed with food insecurity. They don't know where the next meals come from. Like, that's what. She would bum them out.

[Adam Carolla]

My mom would bum me out. My mom being raised by a single mom. It's like, because she was Always, like, talking bad about men, too. Like, hardcore, like. But it was. She would, like, go talk shit about this dude or my dad or stepdad or something. And then she turned to me and be like, like. But you're never gonna be like that, right? I'm like, no, mom, I'm gonna be a good man. And, you know, I'm a piece of.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah, I'm just gonna be a chunky comedian.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, exactly.

[Gary Sinise]

All right, we gotta do some news.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

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[Gary Sinise]

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[Gary Sinise]

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[Adam Carolla]

The other day I was at a bar and this lady came up to me. She was like, are you Jack Black? And I'm like, no, I'm not. And she's like, if you were, I would have slept with you. And I was like, well, well, well, maybe. Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

Dustin Ibarra is on the Adam Carolla show. Oh, I just discovered a sixth mijo.

[Adam Carolla]

What?

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah, there's another one.

[Adam Carolla]

What?

[Gary Sinise]

There's one last mijo.

[Adam Carolla]

An unreleased mijo.

[Gary Sinise]

There's a previously unreleased mijo. Okay, I forgot about this one. Yeah. So there's not just five mijos, there's six mi.

[Adam Carolla]

What is it?

[Gary Sinise]

Sixth miho.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay.

[Gary Sinise]

Takes place. I'm in the grips of depression. The boy was all I had. You know what I mean? And I really cannot hold it together anymore. And I finally Decide to commit suicide.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow.

[Gary Sinise]

And I sit there with a glass of wine and a candle burning, holding a picture of Miho from the. From the sixth grade handshaking as I put the pistol to my head. And as we draw in tight on a picture of Miho, we just hear me whisper and boom. And then we hear. We hear the shot. And then we go to black. Credits. Credits roll on Miho.

[Adam Carolla]

That's intense.

[Gary Sinise]

That's the sixth Mi. Huh?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

No one said it was going to be a simple or easy journey.

[Adam Carolla]

You know what's tripping me out? Because I was pict with the wine. The picture and the gun not in the same hand. Oh, okay.

[Gary Sinise]

No, that's on the. That's on the end table.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, the wine is down.

[Gary Sinise]

Let the set dresser deal with the wine.

[Adam Carolla]

It was tripping me out. I'm like, is she holding the gun and the wine?

[Gary Sinise]

No, but you're. You're not. Let the set dresser with that.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm all about the details.

[Gary Sinise]

No, I know. Holding the pistol.

[Adam Carolla]

Holding the pistol with the picture. Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

You know, in the frame.

[Dustin Ibarra]

We all agree it's one of those Jesus candles, right?

[Gary Sinise]

Oh, yeah, yeah. That's. Yeah. Saying somebody. Yeah. Or maybe Fauci. I don't know. All right, what do we got?

[Dustin Ibarra]

Got some news, guys. Both the West Wing and Chicken Wings eluded the Harris campaign. The popular YouTube show Hot Ones turned down Kamala Harris pre election interview request.

[Adam Carolla]

They turned her down.

[Dustin Ibarra]

They turned her down. Which is a little bit of twisting the knife, it seems like, post election. Yeah, Hot Ones, which is great show. They didn't want to do any politics, so they weren't going to take us. Cutter added, which is part of the Harris team spilling all the beans right now.

[Gary Sinise]

I did ones.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Yeah, you did. Right.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah.

[Dustin Ibarra]

How was it? Did you get through to like the third, fourth level?

[Adam Carolla]

He didn't win the White House, unfortunately. I don't think you're.

[Gary Sinise]

I mowed right through him without any incident at all because I realized that most. That kind of stuff was sort of in your head. What?

[Dustin Ibarra]

But it's hot ass food. You ever been pepper sprayed? Yeah. That's not all in your head.

[Gary Sinise]

Oh, yeah.

[Dustin Ibarra]

It's like Caspian powder or something.

[Adam Carolla]

But I can see how it's like, you know, you're on the side.

[Gary Sinise]

No, not all. It's not all in your head. But here's what I'm saying. I can compartmentalize stuff and I can deal with discomfort in a big way and compartmentalize.

[Adam Carolla]

Your mom helped you with that.

[Gary Sinise]

My mom Helped me deal with major discomfort. So I am not a big hot food guy. I'll put a little Tabasco on eggs or something, but I'm not into hot food. And I would have the same effect that anyone had with hot food. And then when you get to the Scoville level of like 4 million or something, at the end, I was like, give me those wings. I'm putting them all in my mouth. My tongue may be on fire, but that's it. Nothing else. I will not be affected in any way.

[Dustin Ibarra]

You just man carted right through that show.

[Gary Sinise]

Fucking carted right the fuck through it. And this is why I tell everyone when they're like, I'm not feeling it today. I don't think I should come into work. I just go, fucking go to work. Just get up and get dressed and go to work. And they go, I don't think I should. I go, just go to work. Just go to work.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I do whatever you want. I'm a hot wing. So, yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah, I went right through it. No problem.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

And if. And as I've said many times, you would ask me 10 minutes later on the ride home, what did I just do? If I didn't know it, I wouldn't have known it. There was no after effects. There was no prom on the toilet the next day. There's no nothing for dinner. There's no. There's no reflux, nothing. I just mowed right through it and went home.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Really, I should have watched your episode for this because I feel like at some point your body, physiologically, you can.

[Gary Sinise]

Watch probably the last wing. It's up somewhere.

[Dustin Ibarra]

No sweating.

[Gary Sinise]

No. It's funny. I brought a towel because when I eat hot food normally, my forehead gets all. If I eat something really zesty or peppery or something off the mop. My forehead. Yeah. Thought I'd do it. Nothing. Yeah. Da bomb. The spiciest sauce of all is da bomb. My guess.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Here we go.

[Gary Sinise]

I don't know what the Scoville scale.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Is, but it's 135. 600.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah, 100,000. Yeah, yeah, we get it. It's hot sauce. It's getting real over here. Ominous music so, Adam, I know that.

[Adam Carolla]

You'Re a connoisseur of the good bad movie genre, the 80s era movies that are so over the top, so corny, that they're actually kind of good. So what I want to do is bounce some titles off of you. I'm just curious about your thoughts.

[Gary Sinise]

All right.

[Adam Carolla]

Why do you think Sylvester Stallone's Cobra.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Is a must watch movie.

[Gary Sinise]

Well, everyone knows, you know Rambo and everyone knows Rocky and everyone knows even over the top, but like they nothing sleep on Cobra. Cobra is Stallone at his stonious. You know, it's an insane. My glasses are starting to remembered it a little wrong. I up my glasses here just yelling about pepperoni pizza rules. It has everything you need in a movie and no one's ever seen it. And it makes no sense at all. And for that reason, you gotta watch Cobra.

[Adam Carolla]

Point Break or Roadhouse.

[Gary Sinise]

Point Break is actually kind of a goodish movie. All right, so is this me eating the hottest one? So Roadhouse. That's the hottest one.

[Adam Carolla]

That looked easy. I know.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Yeah, you really did handle it.

[Gary Sinise]

Where? Any movie where somebody said they were retired. I don't know what Kamala's doing. And look, whatever. She's horrible. She's horrible person. She's horrible at her job.

[Dustin Ibarra]

I didn't mention that. They reached out to hot ones. And on contrast, Trump did this past weekend with The Ovon Break 50, the Undertaker's six feet under, Barstool sports busting with the boys, the Joe Rogan experience. Like he went on everything and it paid off for him.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Next up, DEI programs can actually escalate hostility and racial tensions. New study claims and the New York Times.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah, no shit. Go to lax.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

Listen, I've said it one billion times. I have no idea why no one understands this. Convincing black people that they're not wanted here is going to cause downstream problems. They're not gonna be happy.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

And it's gonna lead to something. It's gon lead to a lot of wrestling with cops and a lot of mean people wrestling with cops.

[Adam Carolla]

That's a nice way to say, well.

[Gary Sinise]

If you think the cops there to kill you, then why not?

[Adam Carolla]

You're going to wrestle.

[Gary Sinise]

Wrestle with it. That's all I'm saying.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay. Were you into NASCAR at all?

[Gary Sinise]

No, but I like cars. I like race cars. I've not been into nascar.

[Adam Carolla]

I was a big NASCAR guy. Remember when I saw it? Dei, That's Dale Earnhardt. I think it was Dale Earnhardt Incorporated. He was the owner of the team, his son's team, and Michael Waltrip's team. So every time I see dei, I think Dale Earnhardt and I think that Trenton paint. Yeah, exactly.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Yeah. What they call it is a hostile attribution bias. So what happens is people get fired up that there's exactly what you've been talking about. They separate us.

[Gary Sinise]

Well, here, okay.

[Adam Carolla]

Segregation.

[Gary Sinise]

Okay. Here's the problem. It's baked in. It's an issue. It's a big issue. No one wants to talk about because it's not popular and everyone's white. People have been basically like, I'm just gonna shut up and stand on the sidelines and pretend I agree with all this bullshit. But here's the deal. Black people constantly talk about, you don't know what it's like to be black and be in our society. If you listen to Sunny Hostin, she's like, you don't know what it's like. It's like you're a hot rich chick. Don't fucking hand me that shit. You don't know what it's like to be poor. Poor is where you get the shit kicked out of you. It's not, you know, Jay Z is fine. Yeah, it's when you're fucking poor is when society really beats the shit out of you. And all facets of it, you know, I used to get my car towed, my motor, I got three motorcycles towed because I was poor. As soon as I got rich, I never got another parking ticket. I never got towed. I never had any more issues. I parked in my garage at night. I didn't fucking park on the street. And the sweet street cleaners coming at 6am and fuck, I forgot. And now I got another being poor that's really discriminated against. But what they don't really understand, like Michelle Obama does this all the time. All the leftist politicians, they're all fucking race hustlers. What they do is they go, you don't know what it's like being a black woman. I'm invisible. I remember this one time I went to go get frozen yogurt with my kids and some woman just cut in front of us in line. It's like, hey, bitch, that happens to everyone. All fucking day, every day. It's not because you're black.

[Adam Carolla]

In fact, if I see a black person, I'm like, I'm not gonna cut in front of you.

[Gary Sinise]

I'm gonna have to cut in front of you.

[Adam Carolla]

You can go ahead of me. Actually, I don't know what I'm getting.

[Gary Sinise]

I remember you from the airport.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah, okay. What they do not realize is life is a never ending avalanche of like frustrating bullshit. That guy flicked me off in his car. Even though he cut me off.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Or microaggression.

[Gary Sinise]

Yes. And macro. Like what the fuck? Or why? Lots of shitty neighbors who call the cops. Just fucking tons of it. And then you're a Black person and you go, oh, it's because I'm black? No, no, it's cause everyone's a dick. That's what it is. And then we convince them that everyone hates them because they're black, and then we release them out into the wild and then they take their pound of flesh as they should if they were convinced. If someone convinced me that society hated me, then I would be a douche to other members of society who didn't look like me.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Yeah. The study kind of concludes when people are supposed to see anti racist material in the ideology, it looks like what happens is they become more likely to punish for any evidence of wrongdoing. That includes protesting, people calling for dismissal, demanding public apologies, receiving people calling or, yeah, calling for their relocation.

[Gary Sinise]

Also, isn't it just. Isn't everyone just ideology? I mean, like Trump's cabinets appointments so far are tons of chicks who we don't think of as chicks. The left doesn't think of that. Like, oh, good, we got a woman in charge. No, we don't. We have a woman who disagrees with you. They don't like Pam Bondi from fucking Florida. They don't want that bitch in charge of anything. You know what I mean? It's the same where if you take a black guy, but he's a Republican, he's fucking done. It's not like black people like him or include him into the group. Trump picks Indian guys. He's got Indian guys, chicks, gay guy running the Fed. He's got tons of different people that no one cares about. No one thinks of diverse. No one anything. And by the way, I don't think of him as an Indian guy or a chick. I just go, fucking Vivek Ramaswamy. Yes. Get in there and fucking dismantle this fucking behemoth government that's spending all my money. Go do it, Vivek.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Smart guy.

[Gary Sinise]

I don't go, hey, Indian guy. They just did.

[Adam Carolla]

Trump probably does Indian guy.

[Gary Sinise]

Indian guy. He calls him Indian guy.

[Adam Carolla]

Definitely.

[Gary Sinise]

Well, actually he says hachi. Hachi. Size of a camel.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Yeah, that's right.

[Gary Sinise]

All right, good enough. Do away with it. It doesn't work. Nothing works. None of the, none of these ideas are.

[Dustin Ibarra]

The real hook to this story though, is that the New York Times potentially buried this and the Times spoke person said that the story was pulled in the 11th hour because then this is a great quote. Our journalists are always considering potential topics for news coverage, evaluating them for news words, worthiness, and often choose not to pursue further reporting for a variety of reasons.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah, they don't like listen.

[Dustin Ibarra]

It doesn't fit their narrative.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah, New York Times is DEI all the time. All the people with the bad ideas, all the people with the defund the police, all the people with the. Let's raise the minimum to $850 for larceny so we don't arrest all these poor people of color. All the six foot distance for Covid. Fucking paper mask. Take the vax for your 14 year old healthy son. Dei. They're wrong about everything. About everything and all that. Instead of just fucking bathing in a tub of incorrectness, which is where they should reside, they just try to squash stories that do not comport with their version of reality, which is wrong.

[Adam Carolla]

I know I'm fired up right now.

[Gary Sinise]

Christ, you are wrong about everything. So just suck it up. Or by the way, get into a different business. Yeah, you're. You're in the prognostication department and you haven't picked a winner in 18 years. What do you. What are you doing? Do you know what I mean? You're bad. You're really bad at your job. You got everything. Covid wrong. Los Angeles Times. Every single thing to do with COVID was wrong. And now the guy, Jay Bhattacharya or whoever, who he tried to get blackballed and pulled off a Twitter and you guys attacked as a quack is now running.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Yeah, I'll go right into that. I'll go right into that. Because Trump picks a COVID lockdown critic to lead a top health agency. Yes, Jay Bhattachara.

[Gary Sinise]

He's not a COVID lockdown critic. He's a guy who was right about everything. Covid. So we decided to destroy his life.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, now he's back, you know, he's gonna lead this top health agency. Trump has selected the Stanford University trained physician and economist to lead the National Health Institute or National Institutes of Health, the biggest government funded biomedical research entity.

[Gary Sinise]

You do understand this guy just dared to go, hey, I'm trained. And me and my colleagues who are trained don't think what you guys are doing with COVID is correct.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. And they're like, shut up.

[Gary Sinise]

And they're like, oh, we gotta destroy this guy's credibility. Fauci was like, we gotta destroy this guy guy so they'll listen to me and do the wrong. And by the way, people don't have an issue with this. You were instructed to do the wrong thing about COVID for three years. And you don't, you don't want to take a look and Examine it just a little bit and go, what the Were these people up to? And then why they blackball this guy?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, it's kind of a good. It's a cool story, though, because now he's. He got everything back, Right. He's at a higher level.

[Dustin Ibarra]

He's gonna be the guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Looking back at it does seem like, you know, that they could have just let the healthy people get it and go through it and separated the weaker people.

[Gary Sinise]

Why did they need to destroy the guy who thought differently than them?

[Dustin Ibarra]

I think that's the times that we live in, because you have to crush somebody down to raise your way up. I. At least that's what it seems like. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I mean, I was out there banging my pots and pans, doing everything I.

[Gary Sinise]

Could for the nurses.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. I thought it killed Covid, right?

[Dustin Ibarra]

Yeah, it does.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah. Good.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Good job.

[Gary Sinise]

You did your part.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay.

[Gary Sinise]

See, there's a clip of him. I think I liked it. Byron or Joe. There's a clip of Bhattachary in front of. I don't even know how to say his last name, but Jay in front of Congress, basically sort of laying it out. I think I liked it from the day. I love this guy. And everyone should be asking, you know, what the fuck was the government doing during COVID And what was CNN and MSNBC and all the other fucking liars doing? What were they doing? What was Sanjay Gupta from CNN doing during COVID He was lying to you. Why the fuck is that okay with you? And then why would you listen to Sanjay Gupta about anything ever again if that's all he did was lie during COVID And why did all the liars try to destroy the people who are telling the truth? That's right.

[Adam Carolla]

Something fishy was going on.

[Gary Sinise]

Yes.

[Dustin Ibarra]

I have no idea. I don't understand what they got out of the whole Covid experience. Like, what, did they have stock in hand sanitizer or.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, it could have been, like, Pfizer.

[Gary Sinise]

What happened was, is Fauci was doing gain of function work in China that we funded because we couldn't do it here in the United States.

[Dustin Ibarra]

When you say gain of function, what exactly does that mean?

[Gary Sinise]

We're taking viruses from the animal world and seeing how they could be transferred to the. To the human world. Okay, but why? For war, biological warfare. And for. And if somebody ostensibly unleashed it on us. Us as well. You know, I don't know that it's all offensive. Some of it is defensive, I think. And the world is sort of like, going, well, we don't condone that here in the United States. Take it over there, but take it over to China and then, and then Fauci will backdoor it over there, and then we can fund it through, you know, shell corporations and shit. We'll figure out a way to get you some funding. And then you experiment on this, this, this disease in China and then it escapes the lab and it comes over here. And then Fauci goes, well, I can't. I don't want anyone going to the lab in China. So what I'll do is I'll say it came from a wet market and then I'll get a bunch of other like minded stooges to say that as well. And then we'll take it a step further. If you say it came from the lab, then that makes you racist. And then we'll get our stooge useful idiots over at CNN and MSNBC to join us in this. And then they'll come out with like, oh, a study came out, said it couldn't have come from the lab. Okay, good. And then anyone who said it did come from the lab will attack them.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I didn't believe that wet market thing, you know, I said, you ever been to Golden Corral? You know?

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I look at that, I'm like, okay, how is this not making diseases?

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Macaroni that close to pork. That doesn't make sense. Yeah. Fish and that's right. Red chicken.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Yeah. Cross contaminating the pudding.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Well, I know what you found.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah. The Ambrose salad snuggling up to the Caesar.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Come on, come on. If that hasn't made a disease. And what will?

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah. So then that's what happened. And then people on the right started saying it. So then people on the left just said, fuck you, we love Fauci. Because all they did was politicize it. So anyone who had questions about the vaccine or about the efficacy of masks or. Or where Covid even emanated from, like where it began, they were considered Trump guys. So then they all battled any of those people.

[Adam Carolla]

People had such a boner over Fauci too. I was thinking about that the other day, how when he like opened Saturday Night Live and stuff, and I'm like, what's the guy? This is.

[Gary Sinise]

History's not gonna be kind to him. There's gonna be a bunch more shit about Fauci. There's already a bunch of emails and shit. He's fucking horrible and corrupt.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Yeah. Not my proudest jerk.

[Adam Carolla]

Whenever someone, whenever the media really gets behind someone I'm always like, all right, what's going on? What are these guys?

[Gary Sinise]

The guy they love 10 minutes before they loved Fauci was Michael Avenatti.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Right.

[Gary Sinise]

The ladies from the View loved Michael Avenatti, who's in prison right now.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

And first. And then they moved on to Fauci. So let's not trust them.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Yeah. Trump also picked Marty Makari.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah.

[Dustin Ibarra]

John Hopkins, surgeon who opposed the COVID 19 vaccine mandate to run the Food and Drug Administration. Where do you know RFK is in there? And then Trump nominated TV personality Dr. Mehmet Oz to be the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services administrator.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah. He's another ethnic.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

That doesn't get. That doesn't count.

[Dustin Ibarra]

The Trump guy.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. He is getting a lot of. In that. Good. Yeah. There you go. Dei.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Next story is the ex Google CEO Eric Schmidt warns perfect AI girlfriends could worsen loneliness for young men.

[Adam Carolla]

Here we go.

[Dustin Ibarra]

This is what's happening. Yeah. Parents are gonna have to be more involved for obvious reasons. But at the end of the day, parents can only control what their son's daughters are doing within reason. Yeah. AI powered chat bots are talking to young men and. Yeah. Kind of twisting their brain.

[Gary Sinise]

Wait, maybe we could. I had a thought. First off, we scoff at, like, robot AI girlfriends, but I was staring at a hustler when I was 17. Like, what's the big difference?

[Adam Carolla]

Cause a hustler wouldn't, like, talk to you and stuff. That'd be trippy, right?

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Get in your head. Ask you, adam, how's your day? Like, ah, my mom's let herself go. I'll never let myself go.

[Gary Sinise]

I'll always shave my armpits for you, sailor. Yeah, it's gonna be weird, dude, but how about this? All right. But anyway, I. Look, how can we judge? I jerked off to a chick on a raft box once. You know what I mean? She looked good. She was advertising the raft. But they need good. They need. Some of the hottest models are raft models. I don't know if you guys know that.

[Adam Carolla]

That's true.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Yeah, I know.

[Gary Sinise]

You know why? Because first off, you gotta be in a bikini.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

You gotta look good on that raft.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

But you have to have a certain sort of homespun authenticity.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. She could be my girlf.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah. I could get her. I bet her name is Monica or something. You know what I mean? And she's in a pool. And plus, I like the pool, too, because I don't have a pool. I wonder if Monica's folks Would let me hang out in their pool.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, probably. Monica's a down home girl.

[Gary Sinise]

They look good, but they're not like Victoria's Secret or spokesmodel or over the top.

[Dustin Ibarra]

They look attainable.

[Gary Sinise]

Attainable. And you could show them off to your friends and people would think there was a real relationship.

[Adam Carolla]

So you jacked it to this. Was it a big box?

[Gary Sinise]

Well, I couldn't afford the raft.

[Adam Carolla]

But when I took a picture in.

[Gary Sinise]

Your Snapchat spank bank, when I go into the big five and van eyes, I'd go, oh, yeah, I'm gonna do that later. So hot. Yeah, I like that.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Part of the reason that you masturbated to her is that she had a backstory that you definitely could. She's like an only fans model for your era.

[Adam Carolla]

See, that was your AI. You were already creating, like this. Imagine if you could create that.

[Gary Sinise]

I could see myself coming over there on hot July days, you know, just kind of kicking it by the pool.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, her dad's cool and lets you.

[Gary Sinise]

Drink, you know, she's like, adam, you need another Tecati. I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay.

[Gary Sinise]

I could do another Ducati. And just sitting there on the shallow end with my feet in there, maybe my pants rolled up.

[Adam Carolla]

You don't have to take your shirt off, babe.

[Gary Sinise]

She's sunning herself on that raft. Yeah, Yeah. I had a whole backstory for that raft girl.

[Adam Carolla]

I wonder what she's up to these days. Adam.

[Gary Sinise]

She may have moved in. Moved up to, like, sea kayaks.

[Adam Carolla]

No. Hey, maybe sea news, perhaps.

[Gary Sinise]

She may be modeling.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I had things like that. Mine was the. My brother had that ZZ Top cd. Remember that CD with chicks on? Oh, bro. Yeah. And there were, I think it was like three smoking chicks. But then they also had. ZZ Top was on there too.

[Dustin Ibarra]

So you're looking at around the beard.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, you gotta put your thumb over what's his name.

[Gary Sinise]

You don't want to stare.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

You.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Right.

[Gary Sinise]

Well, that's why you always go with the raft box.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

There's not bearded guy floating on a raft next to them. Just the one chick. You know what I mean? But the girlfriend, though, I don't know.

[Dustin Ibarra]

The AI just unlocked him right now.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Wow.

[Gary Sinise]

The AI girlfriend that we think is pathetic could probably be used as a training tool. Like, I probably could have used one when I was 26 because I was bad.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

That would be cool.

[Gary Sinise]

You know, like the AI girlfriend. Like, I would say stuff like, come on, get in the car. Let's go eat. And they'd be like a gentleman would open the door.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, thanks.

[Gary Sinise]

Okay. Yeah, you're right. You're right. And just sort of now it's time to hold my hand. And, like, I would do stuff. Like, if we're in a mall, I would walk 10ft ahead of them, like, looking for stuff, you know, instead of slowing down and doing the hand holding, we could have one. Is it like a tutorial? Yeah, that would have helped.

[Adam Carolla]

So because you won't practice, people don't listen. You don't practice on real things.

[Dustin Ibarra]

I would failed algebra twice if I had AI thing. Oh, you know, you can do that, but after you do algebra homework.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, that's why they have CPR dummies. They don't give them a real person.

[Gary Sinise]

Not a real person. In Mexico, it's a real person, but here it's not. No, you're right. I'd be in there. Like, AI be outside the bathroom. Adam, what are you doing in there with your raft box? Oh, yeah, No, I was just coming out. Yeah, yeah. Here I go. Yeah. What do you want to do? Yeah, pull the chair out before she sits down at the restaurant. Learn a little etiquette, some manners. You know, I used to chew with my mouth wide open.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah. She'd be like, hey.

[Gary Sinise]

People would say like, good morning. And I'd go, that's good. You know, you should say good morning back to them. You know what I mean? Like, I didn't learn which fork was the salad fork.

[Adam Carolla]

I still.

[Gary Sinise]

I don't know. Well, you don't have an AI girlfriend.

[Adam Carolla]

I know I need to get one. I have a fiance. But maybe. Maybe I could get an AI girlfriend, and then that would help our relationship.

[Dustin Ibarra]

See, the fact that we've been talking about this so long, this story takes a left turn. Instead of just talking about the AI girlfriend friends, it goes into the fact that there's been way more college enrollments for women. And it's like, guys are just hanging back and beating.

[Gary Sinise]

They don't care.

[Adam Carolla]

Hanging out and eating.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Why should you go get a college level job when I can just beat.

[Adam Carolla]

Off.

[Gary Sinise]

And watching raft boxes?

[Dustin Ibarra]

Yeah, exactly right.

[Adam Carolla]

American dream.

[Gary Sinise]

I would name my AI girlfriend. I think you gotta look this name up.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Aisha.

[Gary Sinise]

Hello.

[Adam Carolla]

That's what I was hoping.

[Gary Sinise]

Hello. Does that reference mean anything? No.

[Adam Carolla]

What is that, man?

[Dustin Ibarra]

Is this, a 70s movie?

[Gary Sinise]

Heloise, I believe, was a woman. Sort of like Dear Abby, but for etiquette.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Oh, you're right.

[Gary Sinise]

Like in the 60s or something. Hello. She was a renowned woman of letters and philosopher. Of love and friendship, as well as eventual high ranking abbess in the Catholic church. Heloise would say would teach you how to be well mannered and show etiquette.

[Dustin Ibarra]

And be kind, Pygmalion style.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah.

[Dustin Ibarra]

So you're getting out of AI Chatbot. Like Pygmalion style teach you how to speak correctly, all the while tickling your paper.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I like it.

[Dustin Ibarra]

I know. I think that that's the way to get some couth.

[Adam Carolla]

I hope you could switch it up skins too, Like Fortnite.

[Gary Sinise]

We name her Heloise and she teaches your boy manners and gives a hell of a blowjob.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

There we go.

[Gary Sinise]

There we go.

[Dustin Ibarra]

Technology.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Mm.

[Gary Sinise]

With Halloween. All right. Gary says Denise is going to join me in a moment. Dustin, always good talking to you, bro.

[Adam Carolla]

Thanks for having me, man.

[Gary Sinise]

You got the six mijos locked.

[Adam Carolla]

I got the six mijos. I'm going to have dreams about it. I'll start working on a script. Maybe I could pitch it to you, you know, start pinning it out. Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

Now remember, arose is rice is beans and rojo is red. Red. Yeah, but there is such a thing as red beans and rice.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, whoa. Come on.

[Gary Sinise]

Your entire world and make a peanut butter cup out of it.

[Adam Carolla]

That's a lot. That's a lot.

[Gary Sinise]

Live shows coming up.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Sinise]

Dustin, where? Where she funny bone? Columbus, Ohio, December 4th. And then we should just go to your website, right?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. I'm all around. I don't think I'm at the funny. I might be. I'm everywhere.

[Gary Sinise]

Weenietips.com weenietips.com all right, quick break back. Gary S right after this.

[Adam Carolla]

Thanks, brother.

[Gary Sinise]

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[Jason Mayhem Miller]

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[Gary Sinise]

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[Jason Mayhem Miller]

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[Gary Sinise]

Stupid does, you're correct. Now back to the show. Gary Sise is joining us. Just in case you need a refresher, Paula 13 aforementioned Forrest Gump ransom Green Mile, a movie that I think that came up with the title title for before they made the movie Reindeer Games. I think someone just thought of that and said we gotta make a movie. Mission to Mars, Snake Eyes. Remember that one? So many awards, prime time Emmys and Golden Globes and Tony's, which I didn't know about. So I'm gonna ask you about that. Gary Sinise also doing all the work for the veterans and just the Lord's work. Good to see you, Gary.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

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[Gary Sinise]

I was by chance listening to Ben Shapiro last week, I believe it was and was able to hear your story on Ben's podcast and talking about Mac, your son. It was a very moving story and it was sad, but it was also sort of inspirational and uplifting as well. And I think that's part of what you're here to talk about today. So I think you should tell the story.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Well, thanks for inviting me on, Adam. It's Good to see you. My son Mac, he was a musician and drummer and composer and songwriter. Went to USC music school, Thornton School of Music. He was in the pop program there. He was, he was a drummer from the time he was 9 years old. Old. When he was about 27 years old, he was having a lot of pain in his. In his tailbone, like sitting down was starting to get uncomfortable for him and difficult. And this went on for quite some time. We sent him his primary care doctor. They did an X ray on him. They didn't see anything. He had had somewhat of a bicycle accident. He was riding. He was on tour with a band over in Europe and they were riding bikes or around and he slammed on the brakes and kind of jammed his tailbone into the seat and. And he was in a lot of pain. We thought it was some kind of bruised tailbone or fracture or something like that, but it just kept going on and on and on. And finally we sent him to. My wife had had a bunch of spine surgeries and we sent Mac to her spine surgeon. And he called me up and he said, Mac has a tumor, tumor wrapped around his sacrum. And he had put him in the CT scanner. And I went down to the office. In the meantime, I got in the car, drove down there. In the meantime, he had sent Mac to the MRI machine. And when I got there, the MRI had come back and there was a orange sized tumor like this wrapped around his sacrum. And the surgeon said he thought it was a tumor called chordoma, which is a very, very rare and very slow growing tumor. I mean, it could have been growing there since birth and we wouldn't known it. I mean, unless you do an MRI or a CT or something. We had done an X ray, but it didn't show anything. And this giant monster tumor was there and. And the surgeon said, well, I haven't had very much experience with this. In fact, many doctors don't even know about it. It's so rare that maybe only 300 people per year in the US are diagnosed with this tumor. Quite often, if you have the right surgeon, they can go in and they can remove it from the spine. It starts in the spine, either at the base or the top of the spine. They can remove it and they get it all and it's cured. About 30% of the time, though, Adam, it will come back and spread and turn into metastatic chordoma. And that's what happened to Mac. And he had the tumor removed. In September 2018 and 2019, we found out that the Cancer had come back and was starting to spread throughout his body. And that began radiation treatments, additional surgeries to remove additional tumors that were growing on the spine. Chemotherapies, 25 different drugs over a four and a half year period. Nothing was working. And he got progressively worse. Physically disabled him. He couldn't play drums anymore. He couldn't. He couldn't walk anymore. He was paralyzed from the chest down.

[Gary Sinise]

He was howled at this time.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

So Mack was 27 when he was diagnosed, and for the Next. He turned 33 last November, and then he died in January. The cancer got. It disabled him, but it did not squash his spirit. He faced it with grace and courage. He was a musician who put music on the back burner for years because he was trying to fight cancer. And then last year, he said, dad, there's a piece of music I wrote at USC that I never finished. I think I'd like to finish it. And he went to work on it with a buddy of his from college who was a fellow composer. And they finished this piece called Arctic Circles, which is on Maxinese YouTube. There's a beautiful video of Mac in the studio with the orchestra playing this piece that he'd written in college.

[Gary Sinise]

Is he playing the harmonica on that vid?

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Well, that was. Arctic Circles was actually the piece that got him into the studio. And then he had taken up harmonica at him. He couldn't play drums anymore. He was confined to a hospital bed at home. We'd have to hoist him out with a hoyer lift to get him out of the bed and into his wheelchair. He was blind in one eye from a tumor in the back of his head. He had lost a lot of physical physicality, but he was creating. And he went into the studio to record this beautiful piece to Arctic Circles. And I said to him, you know, he had picked up a harmonica just sitting in his hospital bed. His mother recommended he get a harmonica because he couldn't play much of anything anymore and he loved music. So he started playing, and I gave him a tape of a medal of Honor recipient pal of mine, Sammy Davis, who plays Shenandoah on harmonica.

[Gary Sinise]

Wow.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

And I said, Mac, you should learn this beautiful American song. And so we learned it on harmonica. And I said to him, as long as you're going to have the string section in there playing Arctic Circles, why don't you have Oliver do an arrangement to back you up on Shenandoah? And so if you go to max and East YouTube, you'll see not only Arctic Circles, but you'll see Mac playing Harmonica with the orchestra behind him playing Shenandoah. It's absolutely stunning. And I was just blown away that day, Adam. I hadn't heard. I hadn't heard Arctic Circles at all until the day I walked into the studio. And that really set the. At that set Mac up to want to create an entire album of music, which he did, called Resurrection and Revival. And he wanted the proceeds from the vinyl to go to the Gary Sinise Foundation. He worked for my foundation until he got too sick to continue. And so the vinyl is out there. People have been buying the vinyl. The proceeds go to help our veterans.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah. As I was listening to you tell this story on Ben Shapiro's podcast a week or so ago, I was moved by how sort of graceful you were with it and how you held yourself. I feel like, first off, it's the worst thing that can happen really, to a person is to lose a child. It just is. We all deal with parents going, and at some point you're going to go, and your children can be there and say some nice words. But losing a child is at the top of the list of things that can break somebody. And you were eloquent and you were composed like you are today. And you had a lot of dignity and you spoke with reverence. And I was thinking, I don't think a lot of people would keep it together. They would break down in the middle of the discussion of their son or discussion of the tumor and the composing of the music and stuff. And I was thinking, does Gary Sinise have this because of his proximity with the military, which is basically nothing but young people dying or being very injured? I mean, it's something you're gonna have to be. You're gonna have to get used to the notion of a young man dying and a young woman dying. If you wanna be that close to the military for that period of time and do what you've done over the years, was it partially that. That I think, gave you a. A strength and a sort of quiet dignity to deal with this horrible situation?

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

I. I think partially, yeah, I think you might have hit something there. I mean, for, for, for decades now, I've been going in and out of the hospitals and I've been seeing a lot of badly banged up folks and watching their families go through it day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year. Some of these folks can be in the hospital for multiple years just dealing with rehabilitation and surgeries. And then I've seen a lot of grieving families who have lost a loved one. We Support thousands of families of the Gary Sinise foundation who are. Are families of our fallen heroes. And I've seen them go through it. So I've learned a lot, you know, from the resilience of some of our folks who have been out there who have been really challenged by what they've faced. Maybe God was protecting me and preparing me in a certain way to deal with our own family challenge. And believe me, I mean, I'm not. I'm. I'm not super, super strong. I'm. I could break down at any. Any moment in talking about our son and what. What happened. But I also know and have seen so many other families who have dealt with this kind of loss, parents who have lost, you know, children who served in the military. Just. Just hundreds of them, you know, so many of them, I can't tell you. And I've watched how they persevere and go through it. And I know that we're one of a gazillion families who have gone through this kind of thing. Cancer touches every single human being on the planet. It's something we should all be universal in our fight against. So we know so many families personally, you know, and it touches every.

[Gary Sinise]

Everybody.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

So I wrote a story after Mac died, about six weeks after he died, and I finally composed myself and thought, you know, we have a lot of people that have supported us, family members who have supported us. I didn't talk about this at all publicly when we were going through it, but family members and friends knew about it and we had started a campaign to raise money at the Cordoma Foundation. There's, thankfully, a foundation that's out there trying to battle this cancer. And we started a fundraising campaign to help them and to guide friends and family, you know, who were asking us how they could help to do something, so we would send them to the Cordoma Foundation. And so I felt obligated to inform those people what had happened, that we had lost Mac. And so when I decided to do that and knew I had to do that, I decided that we have so many do of the Gary Sinise foundation, so many people who I've known over the years who didn't know what we were going through while we were, you know, serving the mission and everything, that I should just go ahead and tell people. So I wrote a story that's on the homepage of the Gary Sinise foundation website. And we got so much love and support pouring in after that. The media picked it up and it was all over the place. And people wrote into the foundation. There are thousands and thousands of messages. And. And so that helped us through, you know, that. That helped me through. I'm crying through every day and trying to figure out how to deal with it, yet at the same time, people are writing in and telling me that they understood because they'd been through the same thing and they, you know, their heart was open to us and supportive of what we were going through. So all of that really, really helped. And then the next thing that helped Adam to keep me going through this was that I started combing through Max iPhone and his iPad and his laptop and his Dropbox files, just searching, you know, for messages and stuff. And I found. I found video messages that Mac made that he wanted us to find later on.

[Gary Sinise]

Oh, really?

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

He never told us about. And they were clearly things that he was thinking about that he wanted to leave for us and written letters that he left for us to find.

[Gary Sinise]

Wow.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

He knew his struggle was uphill and the enemy was at the top and they were firing down on him and he was not. He was not going to. He was not going to get there. It's a no cure cancer. So he was very aware of what he was facing, but he left us all that. And then I found music, additional music that Matt Mack had written over the years, tucked away on his iPad into his files. Beautiful stuff going all the way back to college and things that he wrote last year in his hospital bed. And I started to listen to them on my headphones and these gorgeous orchestral pieces. I found jazz charts, I found rock tunes, I found things that he'd recorded in college.

[Gary Sinise]

He wanted to score for movies and film. Right?

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

He did, Adam, and he did some scoring for a documentary that my video guys made that's on our Gary Sinise foundation website called Always Do A Little More. It kind of tracks a lot of my history with going back to the 80s and supporting veterans and all of that. And I. When Mac came to work for the foundation in 2017, I said, Mac, why don't you write some music for. For our video stuff? So there's about 75% of the music in this documentary that he wrote, and he wrote it all on his computer. He got all his samples, you know, the strings and the horns and the drums and the piano and everything like that. And he created all this music on his laptop and. And that went into the Gary S. Foundation documentary and. And he wrote some things for other videos that we were doing, but it wasn't recorded by live musicians. And so after that, I. I connected with his buddy who helped him with the first record. And I said, I think we have. We have a whole bunch of music here and I want to do another record for Mac. So we produced part two of his album called Resurrection and Revival Rival. It's at max, YouTube some videos of the music. The vinyl is being sold at the Gary Sinise foundation [e-mail] all the proceeds going to help the veterans at the. At the foundation. Proceeds of the vinyl. And there's so much good music on it going. Going back to his college days. I mean, things he wrote in his early 20s. And it's just beautiful stuff. Album Adam and I appreciate you having me on so I could let people know about this music. It's a legacy and kind of a treasure box of beauty that Mac left to us. And I'm grateful that he did because it's given me a real project to kind of pour myself into during the first year of losing him.

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah, I think the devil will make work for idle hands and brains. You know, if you just sitting home thinking about thinking a little too much versus on your feet with a project and a direction especially this is like. Has to be so therapeutic and cathartic because it's your son and you're now realizing bringing his music with full orchestra to life. And I was kind of thinking about. About music in terms of connection, in legacy, in terms of when people lose somebody, you might want to look at a picture of that person in better days. And maybe then there's people who may go and there's video of them or somebody could watch you in one of your many films or TV shows and remember, you think about family member or not. I was watching the Elvis 68 comeback special on Netflix the other day, and for the time I was watching it, Elvis was alive. That was him. It was Elvis. It wasn't Elvis gone. That's Elvis. And I realized music might even be a more powerful connection to. To somebody you're trying to stay connected to because that is really them speaking on a very visceral level. You know, when you write music, that's who you are. That's what you are, you know, versus a videotape or a letter or a picture or something like that. Did you must have really felt the connection through the music?

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Oh, my God. God, I. I can't tell you when I listen to this music. Well, of course I'm. I'm bowled over by it because there's so much beauty and so much of it. I. I didn't even. I don't Think I even realized just how gifted Mac was in terms of composing and composition. He started. He went into USC music school as a drummer, and. And he was an excellent drummer. He. He was my number two guy in my band. Band. If my drummer couldn't be there, I'd ask Mac to do it. He was so good as a drummer. But when he got into USC music school, his musical horizon just became gigantic. And he wanted to do everything. He wanted to compose, he wanted to songwrite, he wanted to sing, he wanted to learn how to play piano and guitar and all these other instruments. And he started. And he wanted to write for movies, and he loved, loved movies, and he writes about that in some of the things that I found online, how much he loved movies. So he started composing. And when you go. When you go to watch Arctic Circles, watch the video of Arctic Circles. That's the one that started everything. It's about a 5 1/2 minutes minute piece. It's. It's so emotionally powerful the way it. The way it breathes. It started with a piano. Piano piece that Mac wrote in college, and then they orchestrated it, him and his friend Oliver from college. And it turned into this magnificently emotional journey. And it's so good. And that's the one that started. And then you listen to all the other orchestral compositions that are on the first record and the second record. And he was. He was a gifted guy. And every time I listen to this stuff, I feel like Max just. Yeah, I feel like he's talking to us. The music, of course, is a universal language. It's something that we all understand. Any corner of the earth understands music and is emotionally moved by music. And we remember things from our childhood when we hear a song. And, you know, there's a power in music. Like, take music out of the equation. What if we didn't have music in this world? Just imagine how empty the world would be. Just the power that music has to stir us. And when I listen to this music, knowing it was written by my son, I feel like he's right here in the room with me, and I know he's smiling, that he left me with a project that could keep me busy throughout this difficult time.

[Gary Sinise]

When did music start for you? Did acting start before music, or does music predate acting?

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

No, I got my first guitar in fourth grade. Played my. My mom and dad got me a guitar when I was, you know, whatever that is, 10 years old or something. And I remember there were some other kids in the neighborhood who had guitars. None of us knew how to Play. So we. Now I go back to the 60s and one of my first albums, the first album that I bought was a Beach Boys live record. Playing. I think they were in somewhere in California. Playing, playing. And it was a live Beach Boys record with all their old classics, Fun, fun, Fun, and I Get around and all, you know, Help Me Rhonda, all these things. And we would just set up in a living room and put a record on and we would just limp sync to it. And that's how I started lip syncing to Beach Boy Records. And then I eventually learned how to play. Then I ended up playing bass. Then I had different bands all the way through high school. School. And when I was in high school, it was actually because I was in the band that I ended up falling into acting. I was standing in a hallway with my band members and we were. I don't know, we might have been skipping class or whatever, but we looked pretty scruffy. You know, that sort of early 70s, scruffy hippie look. And the drama teacher walked down the hall and she turned to me and she said she was directing west side Story. And we all looked perfect for the gang members, so we should come and audition for the play. And so I did, and that started acting. And I played music and was doing acting all the way through high school and afterwards.

[Gary Sinise]

You don't strike me as a guy who needs to be seen on stage or attention. You strike me as a guy who has a passion for a craft, whether it be music or acting. And wannabe want to execute that passion or that mission. If I'm being clear, there's some people that just want to be on stage, but they don't really bring anything. And then there are people that actually have a craft, a gift, you know, and they want to be on stage, but it's only to use their craft or their gift. Do you know what I'm saying?

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

They're a little reluctant, sort of reluctant performers. A lot of comedians are like that, kind of, right?

[Gary Sinise]

Yeah. No, there are comedians who just want to be on stage and hold the microphone while everyone else listens. But then there are others who are truly funny and gifted and they just want to get the words out and get paid. It's nice to get paid on occasion. But you don't strike me as a ham, I guess, is what I would say. But maybe you world.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Yeah, there was some ham back. Way back when. Yeah, you gotta have a little ham, you know. I started a theater company with my pal Steppenwolf Theater in Chicago. And that's 50 years old now, this year. We started in 1974. I was about 18 years old. There was a lot of ham going on back then and I just. I loved performing. But I'll tell you about the music, you know, and I wouldn't really have the Gary Sinise Foundation, I don't think, without the career in the movie and television business, because it gave me a platform to really launch and to talk about things that were important to me in terms of helping our service members out and helping their families out and everything. The music kind of evolved because I used to do it all the way into my early 20s. Then I got so busy with acting, I didn't do it for a long time. And I picked it up again in the late 90s. And then September 11th happened and we started deploying to Iraq and Afghanistan and I just wanted to go on tours. I wanted to go, I wanted to go. I have Vietnam veterans in my family. I remember what it was like for them to come home and the country, return it back on them. I didn't want that to happen to our Iraq and Afghanistan veterans. So I raised my hand for the USO and started visiting them. And in the meantime, I had some players I played with. So I talked to USO and let me take them on a. On a tour. And so USO set up a tour and I took the musicians and I went back again, did it again and again and again. And then I created the Gary S Foundation. And we folded my band. Band Gary Sinise and the Lieutenant Dan Band. We folded. Folded it into the foundation as a program. And now I've played over 575 concerts for the troops in the last 25 years, just going here, there and everywhere, trying to do it. So I don't play for money, I don't play professionally. I played all those concerts as a volunteer and I have to pay my band. And so people that donate to the Gary Sinise foundation help me take the band at military bases and military hospitals. And I donate my time because it's part of my mission. And the music has become just a great. You know, I love doing it. I love playing. We play nothing but hits. It's a big cover band. We play nothing but great hits. So it's a lot of fun, but the most fun is seeing the people out there and how they're enjoying it and how, you know, I've been on. I've been in the war zones, playing in Afghanistan here and there, and, you know, just seeing.

[Gary Sinise]

I was doing a vintage race In Coronado at the military base. And Lieutenant Dan and his band was playing. That's right. I remember going, oh, he's here. I was with. I was in the pits or the paddock or whatever with my race car. And I remember going over. The band was great, great. I said, hi, was awesome. Coronado is a great base right outside of San Diego. I'm curious what your set list is. It probably changes a little from year to year, but what are. What are you. When you say playing the hits, what are they?

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Oh, gosh, you know, there's a big variety. You know, it's a variety show. I wanted to play something for everybody, so we started playing and, you know, classic Stevie Wonders, Springsteen. I mean, you name it. We're just playing a lot of hits, plus we play, you know, current stuff. We, you know, Bruno Mars and we play Taylor Swift and, you know, I mean, it's. It's really kind of all over the map. Plus, recently, there's a. There's a couple of songs that are on Max new album. There's one that he wrote in college called Angels Them, and it's such a beautiful melody. It features a violin solo. And I got a violin player, great violin player into my band, so I played the song for everybody. Everybody loved it. So we do that song, you know, it's called Angel's Theme. It's on the new record, Part two. And then Mac wrote the last song he wrote, which is on max and East YouTube right now. It's called Quasi Love. And Mac wrote it in his hospital bed last year. And it's a rock and sort of pop tune. And we went into the studio last summer with my band, and I brought out guys that Mac played with in college, his drummer roommates, and two guitar players that he played in bands with back in high school and college. I brought them all out and said, I want you to be on this record. So that one's. That one's at max and East YouTube as well. So we're. We're kind of all over the map, but it's really beautiful to see people kind of listen to Mac's stuff and kind of really enjoy it. That makes me feel really great.

[Gary Sinise]

It is. For something so tragic to salvage some rays of positivity and hope and pride, it's pretty miraculous. But I think you've done that. And I think Mack was pretty lucky to have a guy like yourself create and now maintain basically his legacy. So I hope you're proud of that. I knew I could get you to cry.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Is that what you're trying to do.

[Gary Sinise]

With you actors, I never know.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Oh, yeah, I'm faking it.

[Gary Sinise]

You could just put a tack in your shoe. I don't know with you actors.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

That's his record back there. Those are the two albums, part one and part two.

[Gary Sinise]

Well, let's make sure people know where to go because I was watching some of his work on YouTube yesterday and it's really impressive stuff. And I know you're not gonna compliment yourself, but you do more than I think most dads would do and most Americans would do beyond your son Max. Tragic situation, helping the troops. Just one of the good ones, Gary Sinise. That's what I would say. So always great to talk to you, my friend. People should look for Max Sinise's resurrection and revival part two. And you can also order it at the Gary Sinise Foundation. A good cause, good dad for the vets, for the legacy. Do the right thing and go to Gary Sinise foundation and contribute and enjoy as well.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Adam, thank you very much. You can see those videos on max and East YouTube. And I will say that part one, the first part, is on Spotify and itunes and all the digital platforms right now. Now. And we'll eventually put out part two. We're letting the vinyl do its thing right [e-mail] thank you so much, Gary.

[Gary Sinise]

Keep up the good work.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Thanks for having me, Adam. Take care.

[Gary Sinise]

My pleasure. All right, I will say that you can go to AdamCarolla.com for our live shows coming up in Houston with Kayvon and Craig Shoemaker. That'll be Friday and then Saturday. Saturday, heading off to Phoenix, the Hilton Phoenix, Tapatio Cliffs Resort. Doing stamp there with Shoemaker. They'll be Saturday. Go down kroll.com for all the live shows. Until next time, Sam Kroll for Gary Sinise and Dustin Ybarra and Mihaw and Mayhem Miller saying Mahala, you can leave us a voicemail at 888-634-1744 and you can always get tickets to see adam [e-mail].

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