Comedian TJ Miller + The Jayhawks Gary Louris with Stephanie Stevenson

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Adam Carolla Show Episode: Comedian TJ Miller + The Jayhawks Gary Louris with Stephanie Stevenson
Release Date: February 24, 2025

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of The Adam Carolla Show, host Adam Carolla welcomes back comedian TJ Miller and introduces Gary Louris of the renowned band The Jayhawks, alongside his wife Stephanie Stevenson. The episode delves into a blend of humor, personal anecdotes, musical insights, and candid discussions on various topics ranging from stand-up comedy to the intricacies of the music industry.

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Conversation with TJ Miller (00:00 - 35:00)

Stand-Up Comedy and Personal Journeys Adam kicks off the conversation by highlighting TJ Miller's prowess not just as a comedic actor but as a formidable stand-up comedian. TJ shares his passion for stand-up, reminiscing about his performances and the challenges of being recognized solely for his acting roles.

Notable Quote:

"Have you ever run into that? Do you ever find yourself saying, I'm not just a radio personality, but I'm also a stand-up comic." – TJ Miller [02:20]

Family and Flattery Dynamics A humorous exchange unfolds when TJ flattens Adam in front of Adam’s sister, leading to an amusing backstory about family perceptions and the nature of genuine compliments.

Notable Quote:

"He comes off as just. I love him." – TJ Miller on Tucker Carlson [46:07]

Opinions on Media Personalities The duo discusses various media figures, including Tucker Carlson and Ryan Reynolds. Adam expresses his nuanced appreciation for Tucker's sharpness while also acknowledging the complexities of public personas.

Notable Quote:

"Death is the longest, greatest sleep, and you don't have to work tomorrow." – TJ Miller [27:12]

Philosophical Musings on Death and Life Both Adam and TJ delve into their personal reflections on mortality, drawing humorous parallels between dealing with death and enduring long flights.

Notable Quote:

"Once you get on that stage, it feels, this is so stupid, but it kind of feels like home." – TJ Miller [75:06]

Therapy and Self-Improvement The conversation takes a turn towards mental health, with Adam discussing his sporadic experiences with therapy and emphasizing practical self-improvement methods over traditional therapeutic settings.

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Conversation with Gary Louris and Stephanie Stevenson (35:00 - 117:27)

Musical Insights and Career Longevity Gary Louris shares his experiences with The Jayhawks, discussing the band's longevity and the challenges of maintaining relevance in the ever-evolving music industry. He highlights the importance of consistency and adapting to changing musical landscapes.

Notable Quote:

"I'm giving my art to people. I'm helping people." – Gary Louris [117:12]

Collaborations and Songwriting The discussion touches upon Gary's collaboration with the Dixie Chicks, detailing how songwriting transcends band boundaries and the impact of such collaborations on an artist's career.

Notable Quote:

"Population has been helped us succeed in a certain way because we have longevity." – Gary Louris [85:17]

Touring Realities and Personal Sacrifices Gary and Stephanie talk about the demands of touring, the balance between personal life and career, and the sacrifices artists often make to pursue their passions.

Notable Quote:

"Sometimes the excitement of getting on a plane is gone." – Gary Louris [80:49]

Audience Engagement and Setlist Curation They discuss the art of curating a setlist that satisfies both long-time fans and newcomers, emphasizing the challenge of balancing popular hits with deeper, less-known tracks.

Notable Quote:

"It's a bit of a game. And I'm certainly not someone to pick 30 most obscure songs to play live." – Gary Louris [92:36]

The Struggle of Mid-Level Artists The conversation delves into the difficulties faced by mid-level artists in the digital age, where streaming has altered the financial dynamics of music production and distribution.

Notable Quote:

"Because they don't pay for music anymore... the middle people, the people who are just making music out of their basement, they're fine." – Gary Louris [87:02]

Personal Relationships and Industry Dynamics Adam shares a personal story about escorting Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks to the Grammys, illustrating the complexities of professional relationships within the industry.

Notable Quote:

"But Jimmy is just filming me on a video camera. And I was like, oh my God." – Adam Carolla [106:58]

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Conclusion

The episode wraps up with a light-hearted exchange about tour dates, upcoming performances, and the enduring friendship between the guests and Adam. Gary and Stephanie express their gratitude and excitement for future collaborations, while Adam humorously navigates lingering conversations about personal anecdotes and industry experiences. The camaraderie among the guests underscores the show's blend of humor, honesty, and insightful dialogue.

Final Thoughts:

"Jeff will have you play my warehouse." – Adam Carolla [113:40]

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This summary captures the essence of the episode, highlighting the dynamic interactions between Adam Carolla, TJ Miller, and Gary Louris, while emphasizing their unique perspectives and shared experiences in comedy and music.

Transcript

[Adam Carolla]

Hey, in this episode, TJ Miller's back and we get into a lot of interesting discussions with tj. Also one of my favorite from the Jayhawks, Gary Lauris joins us with his wife Stephanie Stevenson as well. We'll talk music with them. We'll do all that right after this. From Corolla One Studios in Glendale, California, this is the Adam Carolla Show. Adam's guest today, comedian T.J. miller. And from the Jayhawks, Gary Lauris with his wife, Stephanie C. Stevenson. And now, just wondering when the Department of Government Efficiency is going to take a look at this scourge of unrinsed coffee mugs. Adam Carolla. Yeah. Get it on. Got to get on the chair. Look at my neck. Get it on. So excited to welcome TJ Miller back to the studio.

[TJ Miller]

It's such a great radio voice. I mean, it's awesome. And your, your sort of music intro so good that you got guys in the booth just dancing and air drumming.

[Adam Carolla]

A lot of enthusiasm around here, but it's because of you, not from you.

[TJ Miller]

I love that. A lot of enthusiasm.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm low key. You know me, tj.

[TJ Miller]

I do know you, tj. We're gonna ask a lot of the hard hitting questions.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm buckled up. I will tell people that. Crowd sorcerer. There's a tour with TJ Miller, who's a very funny stand up comedian who maybe people don't think of as a stand up comedian per se because he's such a fine comedic actor. But I'm here to tell you, he's a very good standup comedian. I've seen him do stand up in the flesh way more than once. And there's shows coming up all over the place. And, and what you can do is go to T.J. miller does. Oh my God.

[TJ Miller]

I know.

[Adam Carolla]

How do I write this?

[TJ Miller]

I don't know.

[Adam Carolla]

Full dates and available at. Oh, and there's a comedy album as well.

[TJ Miller]

Smooth Peanut Butter.

[Adam Carolla]

There's peanut butter and there's hot sauce.

[TJ Miller]

But the name of the album is Smooth Peanut Butter.

[Adam Carolla]

Right? Oh, sorry. But there is smooth and there's real peanut butter. Chunky. Yeah.

[TJ Miller]

And chunk it.

[Adam Carolla]

All right. So you want to ask me a question? I got a funny story for you.

[TJ Miller]

I want to hear it. I want to say, have you ever run into that? Do you ever find yourself saying, I'm not just a radio personality, huge radio personality, but I'm also a stand up. You know me from television.

[Adam Carolla]

Uh huh, Right.

[TJ Miller]

But I'm, I'm a stand up comic. That's construction worker and stand up comic. That's where my passion lies.

[Adam Carolla]

I have found that there's really no way to convince people of anything. So I rarely say anything. I just sort of hope.

[TJ Miller]

I thought we weren't going to talk about politics, Adam.

[Adam Carolla]

So I can't tell people I do stand up. I do tell people I do stand up, but I expect them to kind of go like, okay, because you are.

[TJ Miller]

Not only a powerful stand up comic, but a very unique one.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't Every.

[TJ Miller]

Every time I've seen you and you graciously invited me onto your show, which was largely improvised, but every time I see you do stand up, it is just very unique. There's no one out there doing this. You're an excellent improviser. And so I was interested. Do you have people going, adam, you do stand up.

[Adam Carolla]

Everybody wants to put you in whatever category they know you from. So that's just kind of how it works.

[TJ Miller]

Mine is a homosexual club promoter.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, you do kind of cultivate that. Look, you're not helping your cause.

[TJ Miller]

No, certainly not.

[Adam Carolla]

But I do want to tell you a funny story in the Corolla lore, in the self esteem. The low self esteem Corolla lore department, which sadly started with my grandma and got passed down to my mom. And maybe my sister got a dusting of it too.

[TJ Miller]

Genetics. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So my sister's never seen me do stand up, to the best of my knowledge. Really?

[TJ Miller]

Never ever?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, not previously. Before that show we did at the.

[TJ Miller]

Kookaburra Lounge, she came and she said, oh, that was so. And great Adam Kroll story. I'll tell it after yours.

[Adam Carolla]

So she said. So she's never seen me do stand up before or I don't know what. I don't think she's seen me do a lot of performing on TV or not. So then she came to the show.

[TJ Miller]

Is that because of. Is she gonna watch this or no or listen to this?

[Adam Carolla]

I have no idea.

[TJ Miller]

Does that have to do with envy or jealousy that you're a celebrity and she's not?

[Adam Carolla]

I. No.

[TJ Miller]

You don't think so? Really?

[Adam Carolla]

I never think that way.

[TJ Miller]

So what's the impetus behind her not having ever seen you?

[Adam Carolla]

My family's very do your own thing. And my mom and dad never had cable the whole time I was on cable, and they just didn't know what I did, per se. And that's how we grew up.

[TJ Miller]

They didn't get cable to see their son on television?

[Adam Carolla]

No, I.

[TJ Miller]

Actually, that explains a lot.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, at some point I had two shows. I was with a few People, maybe, who had. I had a nightly show on MTV for an hour, and then I had another hour long weekly show on Comedy Central simultaneously, at the same time.

[TJ Miller]

And they wouldn't really spring. The $6.99, to be fair to my.

[Adam Carolla]

Mom was more like $9.99 at the time. But no, she would not. She told me she has no reason why she should get cable.

[TJ Miller]

I got a bachelor's in psychology. My mother is a psychologist. And this really might explain a lot.

[Adam Carolla]

My sister's funny. So my sister comes to the show. I think it's the first time she's seen me stand up. And we're backstage in the green room bar area, and she's standing there and God bless TJ Miller. He comes up to us, and I introduce my sister to tj and then TJ proceeds to flatter me, really? Like, I've never been flattered before, you know, that this guy's an inspiration. And we all watched him growing up.

[TJ Miller]

Is it flattery if it's genuine?

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know, but it was. It felt good, but it was a lot of flattery, a lot of laying it on thick in front of my sister, which is difficult because she's a Corolla, and it's tough for us to hear good things about others in the.

[TJ Miller]

Family, which I think you mentioned as you walked away.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, so. So TJ lace it on strong. I mean, this stuff you dream of hearing the inspiration, and the reason I'm doing it is because of you, and so on and so forth. Then about a week later, I'm just talking to my sister on the phone, and she goes, and we're talking about something else, you know, and she goes, what's up with that, T.J. miller? And I go, I don't know. It's a nice guy. I like tj. Yeah, but what was that about backstage? I go, he was. You know, I had a drink. I wasn't thinking about it. I go, when you met him? Yeah. I mean, what was that about? The whole big slathering it all.

[TJ Miller]

That's what she said.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. And I go, I don't know. I think he's a fan. And she goes, come on, what did he want? And I go, I don't think he want. Yeah, but, you know, it's like Hollywood thing with, like, something, you know. And I go, no, I don't really run in his circles. I don't produce films. Like, I can't really do anything for tj, But I think he's a fan. I think he Just meant it. And she's like, okay, but what really, really? What was he talking about?

[TJ Miller]

I don't mean to be rude, but my first reaction was, what can you get me?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, that was her.

[TJ Miller]

I mean, I can't imagine.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, her thing is obviously he doesn't feel that way. So what was going on back there? And I was like, oh, I think he feels that way. And he was just expressing himself. And she was like, oh, give me a break. And I was like, oh, this is interesting because it's being processed through the Corolla weird low self esteem filter that she was like, look, that guy's a big star. There's no way he thinks that way about you. So what's the angle Was her thing. And I was like, as I was thinking, I was like, oh, this keeps getting a little less flattering because she's diminishing it. She's making it like that guy wouldn't really feel that way. But then I realized that's just where we come from.

[TJ Miller]

Well, I'm trying to license your opening music, so that's sort of where I'm at.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, talk to my friend Dickie from the Boss Stones.

[TJ Miller]

You know what's interesting is that. So that night, here's my story. It was a new club. I really never performed there.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[TJ Miller]

I did not know where the light came from.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, you were on for a while.

[TJ Miller]

For a while. And I mean, I was on for so long. Cause I just didn't know they turn on a neon sign and that's the light.

[Adam Carolla]

I did not know that there is no universal light.

[TJ Miller]

There is no universal light.

[Adam Carolla]

And it's weird. It'd be like, what if there was no universal stoplight and we're just like rolling in intersections like trying to interpret.

[TJ Miller]

What was going on sign on a house.

[Adam Carolla]

Some of them are like chick in the back with the iPhone, flashlight.

[TJ Miller]

It should all be that or all be something.

[Adam Carolla]

But either way it's got to be uniform. So you recognize on stage.

[TJ Miller]

Right. It could all be neon, you know, bird. That's what it is. It's a neon sign that's depicting a bird. So I went on long enough. This is actually. It's one of the most embarrassing things that's happened to me in stand up because not only did I go on too long, you mentioned it on stage in a funny way. And not insulting. You said that I must have a sunburn from how long the light was on. I'm definitely not going to forget that you have. But I'm not going to my Sister.

[Adam Carolla]

Asked me who wrote that joke because it was funny.

[TJ Miller]

It was me. And. Right. She said, well, obviously you didn't write that, but I was just so embarrassed. And I don't get embarrassed. So then we saw each other backstage, and your sister introduced herself, and she might have said, hey, this is my first time seeing my brother. Actually, I don't think she did, but she said, oh, it's so funny. And then you came over, and I thought, this is the moment to tell someone close to Adam about how I feel about Adam Carolla. And so it was dual purpose, because I knew that flattering you in front of your sister would embarrass you to the point where you walked away, which you did.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay, good.

[TJ Miller]

But, you know, and I told Kate, I told my wife. I told Kate, I said, I think I smoothed it out because I just told his sister, you know, how important he is in my life.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, you ended up confusing her because she wanted to know what the angle was.

[TJ Miller]

But there was no angle.

[Adam Carolla]

I knew he.

[TJ Miller]

Yeah, I knew that. But the thing is, is that. And this is a very strange, singular, you know, friendship, working relationship that we have, which is that my buddy C.J. sullivan, who's a hilarious comic, so funny, and a professional sportsbook gambler, he told me after one of our interviews, he goes, well, you know, Corolla is your stern. That's what he said.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow.

[TJ Miller]

And I thought. I took a beat. I thought that was one of the nicest compliments to you, for sure. But it defined our relationship. Because I will come in here and sort of bear my soul. Talk about what? I got in a lot of trouble for a story that I told about Ryan Reynolds.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Which is now. Seems like history is catching up to some of the things you said.

[TJ Miller]

I want to say this first and foremost before it gets picked up in India daily. Ryan Reynolds and I are friends now, and he and I had a phone conversation, and I think he's a really good friend to me. And so that's where I land there. The Internet as a whole feels differently. The entirety of the Internet feels differently than.

[Adam Carolla]

About Ryan, than you do. But let's put it this way. I met Ryan once when I worked on two guys, a girl in a pizza place as myself. I used to do sitcoms as Adam Carolla, which was funny.

[TJ Miller]

I love it.

[Adam Carolla]

But I got along with him swimmingly. But also, you do have to realize that that was Ryan Reynolds before. Ryan Reynolds was Ryan Reynolds before Deadpool. Yes. But he came across as a genuine guy down to earth. And so on and so forth. But he was 25 and a half or something. Who knows? But I would say I appreciate him.

[TJ Miller]

Saying and a half as if he was a toddler.

[Adam Carolla]

He's a very nice guy. To me, I do not know.

[TJ Miller]

There's 32 and a half.

[Adam Carolla]

I know at some point we drop that. And we also dropped the going on. Like sometimes people go like, well, my daughter's 15 going on 16. And then we get the confusing one. My daughter's 15 going on 45. That's the one that's pissed off. Dad.

[TJ Miller]

My favorite joke is, I mean, it's early. He's in his early 70s, late 60s. Yeah, late 60s, early 50s.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm always confused by the do the madness.

[TJ Miller]

Ma'am, has your work ethic got in the way of your personal relationships, both sort of platonic and romantic?

[Adam Carolla]

I would say no, but everyone else would probably say yes.

[TJ Miller]

I asked Mark Wahlberg once, I said, what drives your work ethic? Right? And he kind of gave me an answer, but it wasn't really what was underlying. I said, yeah, yeah, but what drives that? Right?

[Adam Carolla]

I'll give the same answer Mark gives. Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.

[TJ Miller]

He said, God.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, sorry. How you doing?

[TJ Miller]

No, he's. He said, I want to. This is really admirable. I want to show people that someone with my background can make it to this point. So it's really to inspire people from a similar background or with similar challenges. What drives your work ethic? Because you are fucking crazy. I mean, you have 10 radio shows. You've brought everybody in to do this. When you knew that you were getting pushed out of CBS radio, right? You said, well, next week I'm going to have my own. I'm going to have my own thing called a podcast. And then you exploded that into a network. What drives that?

[Adam Carolla]

Okay, well, let me give you like a kind of multi part answer.

[TJ Miller]

Really?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. I mean, not everything is spiritual. Some of it's like financial. Like you may have things you enjoy. I enjoy cars. I like race cars. You know, race cars are expensive. It's expensive to race those race cars.

[TJ Miller]

I bought a better car than you could ever get.

[Adam Carolla]

What do you got?

[TJ Miller]

Ford GT 2017, 38 off the line.

[Adam Carolla]

What's the color combo?

[TJ Miller]

My father, so brilliant, he also has a 2005 and he did white with blue racing stripes. And then the 2017 was blue with white racing stripes.

[Adam Carolla]

So it's the Ford racing colors.

[TJ Miller]

Yeah, exactly. But inverse, you know.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, both. But not the Golf light blue. The Ford darker blue with the White.

[TJ Miller]

But I think that's a better American.

[Adam Carolla]

That's American race color.

[TJ Miller]

I really. I feel so strongly that once they did that car, it really proved that Ferrari and BMW, like America, can make the best race car because we can do everything that Ferrari does in terms of the handling. You know, you want to have a smooth, but we do cars with more power. And that's what Ford is for me, is just not muscle car, but power.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Well, the 05 has a supercharged V8, and the 17 has a twin turbocharged V6 and maybe a 3.5 and maybe like a 5 liter, I can't remember.

[TJ Miller]

Yeah, it's a completely different car.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Yeah. But you have both, which is good. And your dad. Now, how did your dad.

[TJ Miller]

Who get that car?

[Adam Carolla]

Sort of an inventor, tinkerer, teacher, lawyer. Wait, lawyer.

[TJ Miller]

Literally the same thing?

[Adam Carolla]

No. Did he go in his garage and mess around with stuff or just lawyer? Straight out lawyer.

[TJ Miller]

Might be obsessed with cars. Obsessed with cars. And he would. He would. I wouldn't say he was a mechanic, but he knows everything about not only the car, but the history of the car. When this changed, the tail lights, all the things that you know everything about, but.

[Adam Carolla]

So he ordered those cars for you?

[TJ Miller]

No. So he. These are. I got the 2017 for him, but the 05 is his. And he actually came to me recently and said, we're gonna, you know, get. We're gonna sell the cars. But the 05 we'd like to bequeath to you and Kate because it's the only car that's increased. You know, it's appreciating.

[Adam Carolla]

The 2017's appreciating as well.

[TJ Miller]

Well, we sold it.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay. Well, now it's appreciating someone else's garage.

[TJ Miller]

Well, it's. But they're probably not driving it because every mile you put on that car, you. You lose money.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[TJ Miller]

And it's too expensive to own with the insurance. I mean, you.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, it's not a pragmatic endeavor. I'll give it that.

[TJ Miller]

And it's only meant to be on a track. It's not. You drive that around during. You could drive it to a car show or something. But that's not a. I know it's.

[Adam Carolla]

So 17 is gone, but the original.

[TJ Miller]

05 is there, which is a better car.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. I'm not an expert shifter. Yeah, that's true.

[TJ Miller]

It's there. And I think if you're good at racing. Right. Even if you're good at driving a car, but if you're good at Racing, which I am a. I went to Bondurant School of Driving.

[Adam Carolla]

You did?

[TJ Miller]

I did.

[Adam Carolla]

Bob Bondurant.

[TJ Miller]

Bob Bondurant. If you're good at racing, then a stick shift is always gonna put you in the lead compared to paddle shifters is what I think.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, you're not technically right in that paddle shifting is just faster and more.

[TJ Miller]

Efficient, but you're not as connected to the car.

[Adam Carolla]

No, I'm saying if you're out for spirited driving, and you're certainly old school, you want a stick shift. I mean, that's just how it goes. The interesting. I did a race with a car that had a sequential shift where it just went bing, bing, bing.

[TJ Miller]

And that was fun. Do you race cars?

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. Yes. All right, so circling back to Mark.

[TJ Miller]

Wahlberg, you moved on quickly from that.

[Adam Carolla]

No, you moved on. I said I like cars and I like to race cars. And that's an expensive endeavor. That's number one. Number one is just kind of pragmatic expenses, number one. Number two is I worked so many real jobs and shit jobs and labor jobs and grunt jobs for so long that being on stage, holding a light beer, telling jokes, cracking wise, it just doesn't really feel like comedy to me. Or work, I should say to me. And then the third is a sort of wasted potential. I spent a lot of time in my younger days just sort of hanging around, walking in a circle, kind of going, I don't know what to do. And it was like it was wasted time. And then later on, when I got into the business, I was like, okay, now I gotta make some docs and write some books. Like, I need to prove that I was alive. And I spent from 0 to 30 just sort of hanging out. So there's all the above is what it is.

[TJ Miller]

Is there anything that you're afraid of talking about on your show or are you, like, self professed? I'll talk about all of it.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't talk about certain things, but it's not that I'm afraid to talk about them. I guess that would be how I would answer it.

[TJ Miller]

Is it about reverence for those subjects, or you just don't want the backlash that.

[Adam Carolla]

I tend to like? I'm trying to think. I mean, some stuff is just sort of personal stuff. Some stuff is sort of like, I just don't want to pile on somebody that everyone's already sort of making fun of kind of thing. But in general, no, I don't have things. I don't. I don't have a no fly list, per se.

[TJ Miller]

So it's not. You don't have a roster of things that you don't talk about.

[Adam Carolla]

I've never liked people that like, I don't think you should sidle up to a microphone and then go, I'm not gonna answer that question. It's like, well, then why are you in front of a microphone? There are ways to answer questions that are, like, more delicate, which I am.

[TJ Miller]

Not an expert in.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. But also, it's only my head on. It is. It has to be accurate. You cannot make stuff up, and you can't make up stuff that makes people look. That's right. It has to be as it was, or at least your experience.

[TJ Miller]

Is there anything that you are afraid of that you explicitly say, I'm afraid of that? Because you don't strike me as a guy who's really fearful of anything, to tell you the truth.

[Adam Carolla]

No, but it's not out of bravery. It's just kind of medium to low self esteem. I just do stuff and I don't really think about it. But I don't have anxiety and I don't have things that I'm afraid of. But there are things I won't do. For instance, when I lived in Malibu, back when I was allowed to live in Malibu, I would see guys on 10 speeds just motoring down PCH all the time. And I would see them swing out into the lane because there's a Winnebago and a guy cooking meth there on PCH and swing back in and cars going by 50 miles an hour. And then you'd see all these white tires planted in the dirt. And These are the 60 people that were killed on PCH in the last.

[TJ Miller]

10 minutes, the dead flowers.

[Adam Carolla]

And I was like, I will happily climb into a race car and I'll put a fire suit on and a helmet and a neck restraint system or whatever. I'll climb into that cage and I'll do a race. I'm not getting on a 10 speed and going down PCH.

[TJ Miller]

So that leads me, and I would.

[Adam Carolla]

If you said, adam, come on, let's just go. Let's go to. Let's go to Moon Shadows. If it wasn't burned to the ground and I'm bringing my mountain bike, I would do it. But, like, I wouldn't do it every day because I would assume I was going to get hit by a car at some point.

[TJ Miller]

So that leads me actually perfectly to, are you afraid of death? Are you a guy that thinks about death? Are you a guy that doesn't really care? Are you A guy that when you do think about it, it sort of swallows your time.

[Adam Carolla]

I've never articulated this, but I now realize that I think about death. Like I now think about long cross country flights, which is, I used to hate long cross country flights. Like, I'd go, jesus Christ, what are we doing up here?

[TJ Miller]

That is my favorite answer I've ever heard in my life.

[Adam Carolla]

And now I'm like, I am looking so forward to this fucking six hours of just being left alone and drinking miniature bottles of vodka and not thinking about anything. I'm so. I love the idea of being out of communication and not being hassled, not dealing with it. So what used to be a bur burden is now sweet relief. And now I'm starting to realize. I think I'm putting death in the same category as the flight to Newark.

[TJ Miller]

So two things on that. One, I did a flight, a long flight, and the WI fi was broken. And it was the greatest gift. I was exactly like you said. I love it. Out of touch, just can watch a movie, not feel like I'm copping out on work.

[Adam Carolla]

If I was a flight attendant, TJ Miller, I would do it. I would look at it as like a fiduciary duty, like a cosmic fiduciary duty. If I work for Qantas and we're flying to Australia and all these fucking beat up business people, like, I can get a lot done in 13 hours. I just go. I just get up there and I go, sorry, the WI fi is out.

[TJ Miller]

Yeah. And everyone, Qantas is a really weird reference in terms of airlines.

[Adam Carolla]

I was thinking of a long flight.

[TJ Miller]

Yeah, you're right about that.

[Adam Carolla]

So I went with Qantas and then my co worker would go, they'd go, but the WI fi's not out. And I'd go, let him fucking relax.

[TJ Miller]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Doing them a favor.

[TJ Miller]

And I don't think they could come back with anything. I had a joke. I still consider it my, maybe my best joke. But I said that, I said, you know, you can have a great night out. Just have a great night. You go to the party, everything works out. You're, you know, this girl, she likes it all. But the best part of the night is always when you put your head to the pillow and you're going to sleep. That's the best. And I say, no, there's only one thing better than that. It's if right as you're going to sleep, right as you're going to sleep, you realize, oh, my God, I don't have to work Tomorrow, right. I don't have to work tomorrow. That's the best, isn't it?

[Adam Carolla]

The best.

[TJ Miller]

That's what death is. Death is the longest, greatest sleep, and you don't have to work tomorrow. So same, I think same deal, maybe different perspectives, but that's how I sort of see it, is instead of loss of life, you don't have to deal with all of the. Everything that you're talking about, all the stuff that makes you go, here we go again.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. It's kind of interesting because the antithesis of that was my mom and my dad, who had no material possessions, so that when they left, they didn't miss anything. Because there is a thing where I would think, oh, man, I'm never going to go to Laguna Seca ever again and do that corkscrew. I would have that thought. It's quite a contrast, your dad and my dad. My dad passed and he left me a Tony Bennett CD.

[TJ Miller]

It's a great CD, though. You just need to buy a CD player.

[Adam Carolla]

I will happily trade that for your 05.4 GT if you like.

[TJ Miller]

Oh, my God. Yeah, it's a great cd. I don't know if it's that great. What do you think is more. What do you like more, and what do you think is more meaningful? Sex or entertaining?

[Adam Carolla]

Entertaining as in being up on stage with your microphone or having people come over. I listen.

[TJ Miller]

I love comedy. I could say comedy or, you know, whatever. This is considered for me.

[Adam Carolla]

My greatest moments are when I will run into people after the show, taking pictures or whatever. And there's two stories I just love. I love the. I used to work driving a bakery truck, and I'd work graveyard. And I used to listen to you and Dr. Drew, and I just. You kept me company, and I loved it. I love that story because I relate because I used to be alone on a construction site, and all I have is the radio, like, as my friend. And the other story I love is when people go like, you know, I got divorced during COVID and I was going through, like, a really tough part, a really tough time. And I listened to you and you brought a smile on my face. And, like, you put things in perspective. Like, I'm like, that's the best. Making people laugh. Or like, hey, man, show guy. That's great, but that's the best. Like, that's when. When you can penetrate. Speaking of sex.

[TJ Miller]

Double on top.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. And really get. Really create a memory and have someone go, God, you really got me through this tough time. Or, I didn't have to Be tough time. They can just go, I used to be bored as shit working this job in the middle of the night. And you guys made me laugh.

[TJ Miller]

First of all, that's very altruistic of you. Second of all, I never care. Second of all, who does that for you? When have you been in a tough time in your life? Because that's my favorite thing is when somebody says, I was the lowest point. These are dark days. And I got to tell you, I threw on this movie or your standup and I just, I was howling, I was cracking up and it really took me out of it. Who is that for you?

[Adam Carolla]

I. Well, Mark Wahlberg said, Jesus Christ. So I'm going to just. I, well, first off, it's a lot of different people. Like when I was young and I worked construction, it was morning radio. I would listen to Mark and Brian on K Los, and then I would listen to Kevin and Bean on kroc. And then I ended up on KROC on Kevin and Bean show.

[TJ Miller]

Yeah, I would say that must have been something that drew you to doing that.

[Adam Carolla]

I would listen and I would kind of think to myself, I think I could do this. I think I could do this. Like, that's what I would think. And then I would think, you're never going to do this. But then I would think, but I could, but you're never going to was kind of my dueling thoughts while I was sitting on my pickup truck in traffic going to Chatsworth to swing a hammer. But I loved listen to any talk radio, like a voice just. And by the way, I would listen to the Bible answer man. And I'm an atheist. And I would listen to Dennis Prager doing religion on the line and stuff like that. And people go like, what do you care? You're not into the Bible or into religion. Not into any of that. I go, well, maybe I'm not, but maybe I could be. I want to hear what they have to say. I don't want to hear what I have to say or what people that just agree with me have to say. I want to hear what other people have to say.

[TJ Miller]

That's very nihilistic of you. No, really. And then. Okay, so this is a two parter.

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[TJ Miller]

Do you talk to yourself when you're alone? Do you sort of say, oh, hey, do you think out loud? Do you admonish yourself or think through things? And then second part, which I'm sure you've been asked is do you see a therapist?

[Adam Carolla]

I have, I'm not currently seeing a therapist, but I have seen therapists over the years. But I'm starting, as I get older, I'm starting to really realize that you could go to therapy. And then sometimes people go to therapy to say they're going to therapy and not a lot changes. I also come from a family that has a lot of therapy and zero changes in their life. Like talked a good therapy story. Sort of like the equivalent of saying, yeah, I got a personal trainer. Yeah, but you never work out. Yeah, but I got a trainer. And matter of fact, I gotta meet Jeff Tuesday at 9:00am it's always a.

[TJ Miller]

Jeff with a chef. E O F F. That's right.

[Adam Carolla]

And it's like, yeah, but if you don't work out, then what are you doing? I have a trainer. You know, some of it can become that like it satiates. As I get older, I kind of realize that hikes in nature, classical music, you know, I just went to. It's interesting. So I just. This morning, I went to Mark Garagas, house attorney. Mark, I left Dr. Drew's house, and I sort of said to Drew, I know you're magnanimous and generous, but I'm overstaying my welcome at your house. Once we get to the three week Mark, I think I got to move on. I'm a rambling guy. So I talked to Mark Garrigas, and I said, I got nowhere to go. And he said, well, I got a guest house, and it's nice, and it's on my property, and I'd be happy if you came in and stayed here. And I said, okay, so I'll come stay in your guest house, because Drew. I'm staying in his house, and there's enough square footage. And Drew likes me, and that's why I like him. But it's just at a certain point, you just feel like, I've been in your house for, like, three weeks now. I should move on. So I went to Garrigus house this morning, and he showed me the guest house, and he said, stay as long as you want. I'm out of town all the time, whatever. And I said, thanks. And he gave me the code and the thing and the that. And then at some point, he walked me over across his palatial estate, and he showed me the swimming pool, and he said, it's freezing. And he said, you can get in every morning. And I said, I will. And then he left. And I thought, I'm getting in that goddamn pool. Now, what I realized is I probably one forget about me. One would get a lot more if one committed to doing that cold plunge every morning. If one committed to going on a hike in nature and listening to classical music, if one committed to sort of eating right, if one committed to shutting their phone off when they got. When they went to bed, or not bringing it into the workplace or whatever that thing is. You could probably get more done than you could in a therapeutic setting if, in fact, you weren't, you know, brutally molested repeatedly as a youngster, which, for.

[TJ Miller]

Some people, that is therapy. I wonder what is a habit that you have that would be the hardest to break? It doesn't have to be a negative smoking or something. What is a habit that you have looking at Instagram right before you go to bed? Something like that.

[Adam Carolla]

My habit is probably profiling everybody relentlessly and just kind of knowing who they are and where they are.

[TJ Miller]

How would you do that? How would you do that?

[Adam Carolla]

Like, I'll come in here and we'll be doing a show, and the show will be with this guy, and he's like, he's a conservative who's on Daily Wire. He works with Ben Shapiro, and he's got a doc out about some conservative thing or something. And I'll think, all right, don't check on him. He'll be here half hour early. And then at some point they'll go, Mr. Mix, the white rapper supposed to be coming on. And I'll go find that guy, make sure he's coming in. And they'll go, he's coming in. I'll go, check, check, check. And then at some point, someone will come back to me, and I'll go, he says he's sick, so he's not coming in. And I go, okay. Cuz I figured out that white rappers need to be checked on and conservative documentarians don't need to be checked on in terms of whether they're gonna be here on time.

[TJ Miller]

So you're trying to.

[Adam Carolla]

And I profile everybo.

[TJ Miller]

So you're trying to build categories and say this. Well, actually, what you're talking about really is stereotyping.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah. Stereotyping and profiling are the same thing, except for profiling is a more accurate way to do it because it happens to be correct.

[TJ Miller]

But listen, it's what police use also.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. Every time I pull up to a red light and I have a choice between can I go in the right lane or left lane, I profile the car in front of me. If I see a bunch of stuffed animals in the back window, I go into the next lane. If I can't see the person's head over their headrest, I go into the next lane. I profile everyone's car and them.

[TJ Miller]

I mean, it's okay to just say that if they're Asian or a woman, it's hard to tell is that okay or no? Do you.

[Adam Carolla]

It's hard to tell Asian from behind. It really is.

[TJ Miller]

Well, gender. And I really mean this. Do you find that your sort of worldview. Let's call it that. Do you feel that there's a lot of opposition against your beliefs? Your paradigm, for lack of a less pretentious word?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I don't really have beliefs. I just have sort of pragmatic thoughts. And then there is a lot of pushback against pragmatic thoughts that I have. Do you think that they're not really unfair to me? Yeah, people are stupid and they're kind of angry and they don't generally know what the fuck they're talking about. And they just push back because there.

[TJ Miller]

He goes, profiling again.

[Adam Carolla]

So they just push back. So, you know, during COVID everyone, you know, I was pummeled relentlessly during COVID but I didn't care because I just knew what was going on. So it's kind of a weird. So I knew what was going on. They didn't know what was going on. They wanted to cudgel me into thinking like them. That's an impossibility. And I don't have any problem with not being popular and. Or being attacked, but I have a problem with not being accurate.

[TJ Miller]

Yeah. And you mentioned that before. Yeah. This has really been on my mind, like on the way here, which is, are there any media personalities, let's call them, that you feel like you're grouped with? Right. That you think that's totally unfair? I am nothing like Alex Jones. Whatever. It can be anybody. I am not. People are saying, I'm like this Fox News anchor or I am the Rachel Maddow of the Corolla podcast.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, her hair shorter than mine. But yeah, I get what you say.

[TJ Miller]

Not very much, but yeah. Is there anybody that you kind of go, mmm, I can't believe I'm. I can't believe I'm in the same sentence as this person.

[Adam Carolla]

You will get lumped into groups sort of depending on your stances on basic.

[TJ Miller]

Yeah, that's what I mean.

[Adam Carolla]

Issues, you know? So if you're gonna take a stance during COVID then you're gonna be lumped into all groups. But forget about Coh. Yeah, I mean, generally, I don't. First off, I'm ignorant. Like, I really don't know what's going on that much. I just sort of go about my business. I don't really have strong opinions on other people's opinions and what they think of me. And I would assume they don't think of me.

[TJ Miller]

Is there anybody that you watch or pay attention to with regards to you saying, I don't really. I go about my own business. Is there any particular person or individual that you do sort of go, I should check in and see what this person is talking about? Their opinion is interesting to me.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah, there's smart people out there.

[TJ Miller]

So who would that be?

[Adam Carolla]

Such as guys like Ben Shapiro, and Ben Shapiro's kind of even handed he supports Trump. But like the other day when Trump was blaming Ukraine for the Russian war, Ben Shapiro was like, trump's wrong. That's not Zelensky's fault. So on and so forth. So, like, I will listen to smart people and figure out what it is they're saying about a subject. Now, keep in mind, I decide who the smart people are, but those smart people are pretty accurate with most subjects.

[TJ Miller]

You're the only person that would say, I follow a couple that are. I think, are pretty smart. But I determined that they were smart.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, because the people who are listening may determine that Joy Reid is smart. You know what I mean? Or somebody who's or AOC is smart, they may decide that buffoons are smart. In their world, it's basically a dog eating a can of cocktail weenies. Like, I can't tell that dog. It's not the greatest thing ever.

[TJ Miller]

Well, and I think that as a positive nihilist, I feel like if that's the meaning they want to create, then that's fantastic. I'm going to say something, and I just want to hear your opinion on it. Okay. And I'm only saying this because I know that my wife Kate will not listen to this podcast. Okay, Tucker Carlson for President. Where do you land on that?

[Adam Carolla]

I was talking to Ben Shapiro a couple of weeks ago. I was out in Boca Raton. I did his show, he did my show, and Tucker's name came up, and Ben had some choice words about Tucker, not all positive. And I realized I like Tucker personally, and he's wise and he's sharp, and.

[TJ Miller]

I don't know him. So there's no.

[Adam Carolla]

I do know him.

[TJ Miller]

There's no angle, as your sister would say.

[Adam Carolla]

I brought him to the Comedy Store once. If you could picture Tucker Carlson at the Comedy Store in the sunset, that's.

[TJ Miller]

What he would have worn.

[Adam Carolla]

He wore a hat down low and collar popped. He did not want to be recognized if Marc Maron probably would have stabbed him with a butter knife or something. But.

[TJ Miller]

All right, if he has a butter.

[Adam Carolla]

Knife, I was assuming it'd be on the table at the comedy. Yeah, a lot of roles. Packing his own butternut. All right, but hold on. I like Tucker and I find him interesting. And I have had great dialogues with him on his show, on my show, and so on and so forth. And he's also funny. He's got a good sense of humor.

[TJ Miller]

I think he is funny.

[Adam Carolla]

He is. I do realize that some of his thoughts don't stop with where mine stops. In a sort of pragmatic world that they keep going into conspiracy and further, you know, and I don't know all of them. Like, when I was talking to Ben, Ben was like, you know, I Think Tucker's mooring has come loose a little bit and he's drifting further away.

[TJ Miller]

Come loose is something that I don't hear very often outside of the bedroom.

[Adam Carolla]

But I like him and I would say like anything but Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are just constant talkers and race baiters, like somebody with some thoughts. And I haven't talked to Tucker in a little bit, but I would say he's probably a little more extreme than a lot of folks on the right would be. But it also doesn't mean he's wrong. Cuz a lot of the stuff that we thought was wild conspiracy shit has kind of turned out that to come to fruition.

[TJ Miller]

Well, I feel like I've only brought this up to Kate a couple of times, but I feel like when I bring it up to her, I see the most exacting example of the bullshit that is I've subscribed to the left and I've been told these people are not okay. And so I'm not even discussing them. The way that I bring it up is if it's between Trump and Tucker Carlson. I feel like Tucker Carlson, as you said, has some points. I think he speaks for a portion of the population that not a lot of people are speaking to. But more interesting to me is he does. Yes. He'll go a little bit further. Not Alex Jones, but he'll go a little bit further because he wants the clickbait. He wants the whatever.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, he, you.

[TJ Miller]

He is a little bit of Carolla.

[Adam Carolla]

He's a provocateur, but he's a provocative.

[TJ Miller]

Are you that you never push to get just a little bit more reaction? Never.

[Adam Carolla]

No, I wish.

[TJ Miller]

Is that true?

[Adam Carolla]

I did. Honestly, no one will shake their head.

[TJ Miller]

Yes or no.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, no. You can ask them. Okay, well, let's do the ground rules.

[TJ Miller]

Okay.

[Adam Carolla]

I have strong opinions about this stuff. I have strong opinions about. But I never weighed into Barack Obama's gay. There's a guy says he got a blowjob from Barack. I don't do that. I go, I hated his policy when he said, you didn't earn that if you own a business. You didn't do that yourself. I go, fuck that guy. He's destructive and he's a race hustler. But I never get into the Michelle Obama's a dude world. I also don't really like it in general. Getting into deep cut, salacious firestarter stuff. I mean, you came in here, got some downloads and some traction because you said something about Ryan Reynolds, but that's not something I loaded you up with or brought up or anything like that.

[TJ Miller]

I don't recall to that, though. Continue on your ground rules.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't have. I don't have any. You know, if I wanted to join that bandwagon, I would probably say some shit about Kimmel that made some noise, for instance, and I never do because he's a good friend. And I. And I don't care about. I wouldn't trade that for the noise or the hit or the. Or trending or whatever that is. And I don't really do it with people, but I do give my honest.

[TJ Miller]

Opinion about things off of that. You describe yourself as a provocateur, is that right?

[Adam Carolla]

No, Tucker Carlson's a provocateur. I am not. But I'll talk about anything like Kevin Smith's a douche.

[TJ Miller]

But the question is, it sounds like you say, I'm not gonna make something up or go into a place just to get the clicks, right? But I'm asking, do you hit a point with an opinion? And you go, I'm just gonna push this a little bit further to get people sort of riled up. And then what I think is interesting is C.J. sullivan told me, he said, Adam Kroll is your stern, I think, because you won't go and do that. Like you said about Kimmel. Right? But you did straightforward say to me, and I'm not. I mean, I'm here. I love, love being on all of the shows that you do, any and all. But you did say, who's a real douchebag? Tell me who the worst person is that you've talked, that you've worked with in Hollywood. Now, some people said that's just a blatant trap. He's trying to get you to say something that's going to come back around. And Kate even said this. How is that going to be helpful to anybody except for Adam Crow? It's not going to be helpful. But that's sort of what I'm asking is if you won't do it, do you sort of seek it out? No, I will not giving somebody enough rope to hang themself. I'm not saying that I will do it.

[Adam Carolla]

I mean, I've done it. I told people when I met Dane Cook, he was a douchebag. And when I met Jay Moore, he was a douchebag. And now they worked it out and humbled it up, and they're nice.

[TJ Miller]

That's how you feel about Ryan, guys.

[Adam Carolla]

Now.

[TJ Miller]

Now that he's a douchebag.

[Adam Carolla]

But like, yeah, And Kevin Smith is a douchebag who completely fucked me out of $500,000. Like, I'll. But by the way, they had to have done it. And then people go, right?

[TJ Miller]

It's accurate.

[Adam Carolla]

Look, if I was telling you the story at the top of the show about my sister, but it never happened, that would make me kind of a dick. And if I embellished it, it would still make me kind of a dick.

[TJ Miller]

So you.

[Adam Carolla]

But I actually had that. Well, you were there for part A of the conversation, which is heaping praise on me, and then I was there for part B, which is, as I discussed it. No, I will not embellish. But on the other hand, if somebody said, where's your dog? And one of my friends got drunk and ran it over on purpose, I wouldn't go, diet of natural causes. I'd go, jeff with a G, my former personal trainer got drunk and ran it over on purpose. And then they'd go. And then at some point, Jeff with a G would come up to me and go, what the fuck? And I'd go, I'm just reporting what happened. I've had this discussion a million times. You shouldn't have got drunk and tried to run over my dog and kill my dog. That's on you. Me reporting it doesn't mean I'm talking shit. Right.

[TJ Miller]

Accuracy is important enough that you'll sort of divulge. So you tell little white lies.

[Adam Carolla]

No, no, do not.

[TJ Miller]

Never.

[Adam Carolla]

No, it's just sort of. No, it's sort of like my. My.

[TJ Miller]

Never.

[Adam Carolla]

I've said this.

[TJ Miller]

You. Hold on.

[Adam Carolla]

No, no.

[TJ Miller]

You're headed to a restaurant.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, two women all day, you're headed to a restaurant. Yeah.

[TJ Miller]

They. You're gonna be late. You call. You wouldn't be open to saying, ah, you know, the traffic is crazy. But it's really just. You're late. Yeah, I mean, I'm talking about those white lies.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay, so there is a kind of professional white lie, right? There's a professional.

[TJ Miller]

That's a good way of putting it.

[Adam Carolla]

Which is. You've been drinking tonight, son. Had one beer, officer. Okay, that's a white. That could very well be a white lie. So there's those kinds of lies. The professional white lie is like a thing where you're supposed to do such and such a show, and then you realize the day before, the whole day just got misbooked or whatever. And then so you say to the person, Adam, it turns out, is traveling that day. Can we rebook? You know, I'm not traveling that Day you tell them something other than we screwed up or Adam's doing something else. You know, there's a professional white lie, which, by the way, I appreciate. I remember one time, many, many years ago, I'm looking at you, Dawson, because you gotta find out the cast member of Baywatch, the sensible one, the one with the short haircut, every bit as pretty and vivacious and everything else as everyone else, as Pam Anderson and the rest, she just had short brown hair. And so she was considered the sensible one. And years, God, I can't think of her name. She runs marathons. Okay, we'll figure her out. Very attractive. And years ago she was doing Loveline. Original cast member. Someone wrote Alexandra Paul. Yes, that's her. Stephanie Holden is. I'm not sure who, but Alexandra Paul is Alexandra Paul.

[TJ Miller]

She looks very sensible.

[Adam Carolla]

She's very sensible, very pragmatic. Part of the original cast, right? I bet she. If you look her up, she was amazingly fit. She ran marathons and by the way, kept her hair short. She went long hair, she'd be out of this world. But anyway, Alexander, I got in a big argument with her once and you tell me what you think of this. She was slated to do Loveliness on KROC or syndicated radio show, right? And I was like, oh good, we could talk to the Baywatch check. And then maybe an hour before the show or shortly before the show started at 10, we got a call from her representation. And the message from her representation was, alexandra Paul cannot make it in tonight. She's training for a marathon and she's got to get up early. And I'm like, well, that's not sick or blew your knee out. That's just, I got to get up, I'm doing something.

[TJ Miller]

There's something more important. And it's waking up early.

[Adam Carolla]

And by the way, not training for the Olympics, just, you know, she wants to run a marathon. Now you can see if she's ran multiple marathons, but she had a personal goal to run a marathon. And maybe that's fine, but it wasn't for Team America or because Al Qaeda had abducted her daughter and she wasn't going to get her back unless she could break four hours or anything. It was just, she was doing this. So she just basically called in and went, I'm not coming in cuz I got shit to do tomorrow. Now hold on. You tell me. She came in, I don't know, a year later and her and I got into a big argument and I said, listen, I've been there, you've been There, I get it. Professional courtesy is she's got the flu. She's sorry she can't make it. They're gonna reschedule. You gave us. I got other shit to do the next day, and I wanna sleep. And her thing was, I told you the truth. And my thing is, it's like you saying to a chick, I'm sorry, I don't want to date you again because you're too fat. And you go, and I told you the truth. And it's like, just say I'm gay or I'm seeing somebody else.

[TJ Miller]

Accuracy is important, but sometimes you need a white lie.

[Adam Carolla]

She ran the Boston Marathon. Oh, she did the Hawaiian Iron Man.

[TJ Miller]

I do not have to go to the bathroom, but my. My wife is very sick.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay, all right, I'll cover number one or number two?

[TJ Miller]

Number one.

[Adam Carolla]

One. Okay, number one wife. What is he talking about now? Alexandra Paul ran the 2000 Boston Marathon. Okay, that makes sense. Did the Hawaiian Ironman in 97. Iron Woman. She did. She did the Fiji swimming. So she's in. She's in great shape and it tracks. She was training. She was training. But I don't know. I don't know if you guys feel like I feel, which is I gotta get up early the next day because I got to do other stuff. All right, make less noise, would you, please? I gotta do get the door, please. Which I'm gonna fix the pneumatic clutch. Don't push on it, but when it closes, don't let it ka. Chunk. Remind me. I'll. Oh, well, you did let it ka. Chunk. Even though you're standing holding the door, and I was telling you not to do it. Okay, I don't know if we're gonna be able to fix that one. We'll edit that. We'll dig that out. We'll edit it in post. But when you're standing by the door and I'm going, don't let it Kachunk. And you got your hand on the handle. That's your golden. That's your window. Later on when you're at home. Uh, oh, here goes the door again. Can Byron get it? Can he get it before the Kachunk. I gotta work that pneumatic closer out because it's been a while.

[TJ Miller]

My wife does have an seems. An autoimmune.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah, yeah, no, I got it. So Alexander Paul told me she had better things to do next day, and she's not coming in. I argue a professional courtesy lie at that point is rather.

[TJ Miller]

She lied.

[Adam Carolla]

I told her that to her face. When she came in a year later and she argued, she told me the truth. And what's wrong with the truth?

[TJ Miller]

Well, what's wrong with the truth is that in this instance specifically, is that it was sort of hurtful. She sort of was saying, and a white lie. I think the most acceptable times for a little white lie is so that you protect the person from feeling like they don't matter. Right. That's the restaurant.

[Adam Carolla]

So there's lots of lying in that department. Can I give my way my world view?

[TJ Miller]

I love it.

[Adam Carolla]

All right. Worldview.

[TJ Miller]

This is all. I fucking came. I just want to ask you questions.

[Adam Carolla]

Worldview. If you're a beautiful woman with long hair and you show me a picture of Dorothy Hamill from 1976 and say, I think I'm going to get this haircut, I would say, don't do it. You're much more attractive with your long hair that goes past your shoulders.

[TJ Miller]

You don't like short hair.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm just saying, if you ask me, I would say, do not get that Dorothy Hamill haircut from 1976. Do not get a bob. You're much better with the long hair. If you got your hair cut and you got the Dorothy Hamill and then I saw you and you said, I just got the Dorothy Hamill, what do you think? I'd say, most women can't pull off that short hair, but you, my dear, look fantastic. Yeah.

[TJ Miller]

Again, sort of saying, you do matter, instead of saying, that was a mistake.

[Adam Carolla]

That is bullshit. But you already got the haircut. Pre haircut. I would not be as kind. I would say, don't do it. Wow.

[TJ Miller]

So you'll switch it up. But is that to protect the person's feelings? Kind of.

[Adam Carolla]

Right? Yeah. I'm always trying to figure out what people are gonna. Whatever. Like, I'll give you an example that people run into a lot. I do this all the time. But you tell me, how are you? Some people. Women especially, but, like, some people will show up and they'll be wearing a new jacket or a new sweater or new whatever. And then let's just say it's a jacket. And you go, hey, man, that's a nice jacket. And they go, it's brand new, and guess how much I paid for it. Now, what I think to myself is, I want to say. I want to say $59, but if you say, no, it's $102. You're going to feel real bad. So I go, $500. And they go, nope, 189. And I go, okay, now you feel good. But I don't think it was. If the price is right and that was a showcase, I would have guessed another guess. But I went high because I knew what you were getting at.

[TJ Miller]

I love this.

[Adam Carolla]

And you wanted to feel good about yourself, but if we're just talking about accuracy, I would have gone a lot lower, but I don't care. So I just went, a million dollars and you want 2.7.

[TJ Miller]

I love that you brought this up, because what I'll do is I'll do that according to how I feel about the person.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[TJ Miller]

And sometimes it pisses me off. They go, how much do you think I pay for this jacket?

[Gary Louris]

Yeah.

[TJ Miller]

What do you think? Can you imagine? Guess. Yes, guess. Come on, guess how much I paid for this, Jack. Guess. And if I don't like the person, I'll say, I don't know, $29? No, it was $120. But if I like the person, I'll do the same as you. I don't know. It's a great jacket. Was that a $1200 jacket they got? No, I got it for $580. In my mind, I'm like, you're a fucking idiot.

[Adam Carolla]

That's what I'm thinking.

[TJ Miller]

But. But, you know, you do that because. Yeah, and also sometimes I'll do it because I don't think you should ever do that. There are a couple things I don't think people should ever do. One, guess how much I paid for this.

[Adam Carolla]

Shouldn't do that.

[TJ Miller]

And the other one that I really hate is, you don't remember my name.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, coming out of my mouth. Coming out of my mouth.

[TJ Miller]

I will say to people who clearly probably know my name, I will say, hey, I'm T.J. you know, I don't know if we met before or I think we met. I do this all the time. You know, I think we've ran into each other before. Anyway, I'm T.J. that's what you do. We're famous. We don't have to do that. But I learned that Paul Rudd did that. He goes, hey, I'm Paul. I was like, well, he doesn't have to. And I just cannot stand when somebody. What, you don't remember two years ago, we passed each other in the hall? You don't. What's my name? They'll do that sometimes. What's my name?

[Adam Carolla]

It's drunken chick shit. I've had it happen a million times.

[TJ Miller]

I don't want to tell you.

[Adam Carolla]

I get violently angry. It drives me nuts. I go, you remember me. I go, I meet so many people. You don't remember me. I meet so many people. You don't. I go, I don't fucking know who you are. Just get the fuck out of my face or tell me your name. And I don't know why this is good for you.

[TJ Miller]

It's not good.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm the one who you don't. I don't know who you are. So that's on you.

[TJ Miller]

If I don't really feel like I'm gonna like this person, I'll just say, I guess you're not really that memorable. Right? Which is just a really rude thing to say, but it's more rude to say, you don't remember name. Tell me my name. Okay, how about this? You introduce yourself, I'll introduce myself. It's fine. I constantly go up to people and I go, I'm sorry. Like on the plane especially. I'm so sorry. Give me your name one more time. That's fine to say, you know, but lately I have. And this is not bs, but lately I've been telling people I have a brain injury. So I don't remember your name. Which is true. I don't remember the time that we. You know, I thought this was my first appearance.

[Adam Carolla]

Mmm. Well, welcome.

[TJ Miller]

How'd that do in the booth? Zero. Nothing.

[Adam Carolla]

All right.

[TJ Miller]

Thumbs up is not a laugh.

[Adam Carolla]

We.

[TJ Miller]

You know, again, this is the name of my podcast.

[Adam Carolla]

Not a provocateur, but, you know, SNL 50th.

[TJ Miller]

I bring it up, you didn't say Tucker Carlson for President. Where do you stand on it?

[Adam Carolla]

I like Tucker, and I would vote for him over many, many people. But then if you said, well, what about J.D. vance? I'd go, oh. And if someone said, well, what about Meghan Kelly or something? I'd go, oh, kind of like Megyn Kelly. Yeah. I mean, kind of.

[TJ Miller]

It's short hair.

[Adam Carolla]

Who are yum, yum, yum. But a lot of people made a big deal about Ryan and Blake Lively. I thought it was funny, by the way.

[TJ Miller]

I didn't see it. How about that?

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, you didn't see it?

[TJ Miller]

No.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, well, now what? You can watch it. That's how.

[TJ Miller]

Oh, he's already got it queued up. Of course. Say I. I'll say again and again, funny.

[Adam Carolla]

Hold on. Wish.

[TJ Miller]

Watch. All right, I think.

[Adam Carolla]

Question. Oh, hey, Ryan Reynolds.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

Hey, hey.

[Adam Carolla]

Ryan Reynolds.

[TJ Miller]

He is so funny.

[Adam Carolla]

Great. Bye. What have you heard? Funny, Subtle funny. Now, he took a lot of shit for it, but I was like, it's kind of Funny and self deprecating to me.

[TJ Miller]

So I don't think that was the whole clip, but it was the gist.

[Adam Carolla]

The gist of it, yes.

[TJ Miller]

Gist with a G, Jeff with a G. I will say over and over again. And I've always said this, Ryan Reynolds is so fucking funny. He is so funny. He's one of the best improvisers I've ever come across in my entire life. And he's especially as of late, been a really, really good friend to me. But I think you look at that and it's like, that's really kind of putting yourself out there. And they obviously had a conversation where they go, well, is there a funny way to kind of deal with this? And I think there is. And we've only met Kate and I met Blake once. She was nothing but sweet to Kate. And I just. I hate the media. And there's a period after that and I don't think anybody should be dragged by the media. I don't think it's fair. I think it's not true for the fucking almost more than most part. And I just, I don't think it's healthy. I think it's weird to watch America just pile onto this thing. But I think Ryan is somebody who is so funny that I want to watch him. He's so watchable. I feel the same way about Anna Faris.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[TJ Miller]

And I think that's a. That was a good way of them handling it. But when I see something like that, I'm more like, why do they have to fucking do that? Why is the Twitter mob coming after them in such a crazy way? But, you know, I mean, they kind of engaged in it a little bit, as we know. And so I don't know, you know, what is better to. Well, what do you think? Is it better to do that SNL appearance and what have you heard? And he's funny and I love. Yeah, he's really understated. I think that's what's crazy about him, is he can do super broad stuff or he can do super understated stuff. What is better to do that, to sort of address it head on or just to ignore it?

[Adam Carolla]

You have to know that when you do that stuff, people are gonna talk about it. But anytime you can be self deprecating, I'm in. I love self deprecating and I'm a fan of that. Now, if I was his publicist, I may have said, let sleeping dogs lie. But as a viewer, I just go, good for you. Just get out there.

[TJ Miller]

Are you self deprecating. Do you consider that one of your strengths comedically?

[Adam Carolla]

I would consider myself self deprecating, but I don't.

[TJ Miller]

In the case of your sister, she is deprecating.

[Adam Carolla]

She's just deprecating.

[TJ Miller]

Deprecating to others.

[Adam Carolla]

She's shotgun deprecating. Yeah, I. I don't try to do it one way or the other. There's stuff I'm good at, and I'll tell you I'm good at it, and then there's stuff I'm bad at, and I'll tell you I'm bad at it. So I don't. I don't. And I don't need. By the way, I don't like undue self deprecation. Like, like, I'll give you an example. Like, remember when. Remember there'd be like. Remember Letterman back in the day?

[TJ Miller]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And Letterman's up there and he's got some guests and the guest has a line of handbags or something. And then Letterman be like, how much would that handbag set you back? And the chick would go, It's $950. And he'd go, whoo hoo. It's a little rich for my Dave. You made $31 million last year on your contract. It's not too rich for your fucking blood. You have a $30 million contract contract. So stop pretending like you couldn't afford a handbag that's under $1,000. I don't like that shit at all.

[TJ Miller]

Yeah. And I think. But it's his responsibility to be relatable a little bit, especially in that he's.

[Adam Carolla]

Not relatable because he's on TV and there's a theater with his name on it. So he's not relatable.

[TJ Miller]

I liked Ellen DeGeneres, did the special. Relatable. And I thought she did a great thing by saying, I can't relate to any of you. I have a watch that's worth more than your house.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. That's what I want people to do. Like, when people go, this politician doesn't know how much a gallon of milk costs, they go, yeah, you're right, I don't. Because I'm in fucking at the Hague talking to lawyers all day about war crimes and shit. And I got a bitch who picks up the milk for me. So, no. And by the way, you don't want me knowing how much a carton of milk cost. I'm fucking making big money moves up here.

[TJ Miller]

You don't want me to live in the suburbs in Tulsa. You want me to be A person who knows who live in D.C. why can't O.J.

[Adam Carolla]

Move back to the hood?

[TJ Miller]

Do you, Adam Carolla, ever feel like you can't get away from yourself? Do you ever go, ugh, I wish I could live outside of this prison that is me?

[Adam Carolla]

No. But I'll consider that after this show. No. I don't have the same horrible thoughts that everyone has about themselves. I'm fine being alone. I'm fine on stage in front of people, or I'm fine doing a podcast. I don't.

[TJ Miller]

Do you think that you could do almost a monastic life? Like, you could just be on your own and entertain yourself and feel good? So I'm saying none of this. No podcast, no speaking to anybody. Not really around many people. Maybe there is a little bit of this right now because you're famous enough that I would assume that there is some solitude.

[Adam Carolla]

I like. Listen, my greatest joy in life is five or six dudes. I really enjoy coming over here and watching football and drinking beers on a Sunday when the NFL season's in full swing. That's what I. That's what I enjoy.

[TJ Miller]

Why is that? Do you like to check out. Do you like sort of the simple things in life? Because you mentioned construction a lot.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I like basic, simple stuff. You know, my. My idea of a good time is going to a steakhouse, not going to a dining experience where they set the menu for you and everything. Oh, my God.

[TJ Miller]

I agree.

[Adam Carolla]

All right.

[TJ Miller]

This is just a steak and potatoes thing.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[TJ Miller]

Do you consider yourself an intellectual?

[Adam Carolla]

No.

[TJ Miller]

Really?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I consider myself smarter than everybody and a better thinker than everybody, but not an intellectual by any distinct end.

[TJ Miller]

On, oh, my God, the tour. By the way, that is the dichotomy that is Adam Carolla, crowd sorcerer.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, until I'm proven wrong, dates all over the place. And where should we go to find all your dates?

[TJ Miller]

TJ Miller does not have a website.com available. There is my hot sauce. Hot sauce. Delicious hot sauce.

[Adam Carolla]

I've had it all.

[TJ Miller]

Incredible. Peanut butter.

[Adam Carolla]

Do the peanut butter and cherry.

[TJ Miller]

Yeah, we got it.

[Adam Carolla]

Unbelievable.

[TJ Miller]

Cherry chocolate with real dried cherries, milk chocolate and honey roasted peanuts. Dark chocolate, coconut. That's for the ladies. And then my favorite, toffee crispy with toffee, milk chocolate and Rice Krispies. Yeah, I'm all over the country. I love it. I said to my wife recently, I said if I could tour more, I would. If I could do every single weekend, I would. And she didn't really give much of any resistance.

[Adam Carolla]

I know she probably should have stepped up.

[TJ Miller]

She said, all right, let's figure out how to do that. But I love touring. I love the whole thing. And yeah, really excited to continue doing stand up. I think like you, it's like once you get on that stage, it feels, this is so stupid, but it kind of feels like home. You feel it's okay. Here I go.

[Adam Carolla]

All right. And we'll be right back with Gary Lewis, you know, from the Jayhawks, and I believe his wife Stephanie's joining us as well. And we'll do that right after this. Oh, oh, oh. O'Reilly Auto Parts, bam. You know the song, right? They're in the business of keeping your car on the road. O'Reilly Auto Parts offers friendly, helpful service and all the parts and knowledge you need to maintain and repair your automobile. Always been an O'Reilly guy. Used to go the one out in North Hollywood when I was over there. Then I moved to La Crescenta and went to the one up on Free Foothill. Still swing by there every once in a while because I'm a hands on guy. So whether you're a car aficionado or an auto novice, you'll find the employees at O'Reilly Auto Parts are knowledgeable, helpful and best off, they're friendly because some of those auto parts guys can be a little tough around the edges. Stop by O'Reilly Auto Parts today or you can visit us@o'reillyauto.com Adam that's o'reillyauto.com.

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[Gary Louris]

Standing down an open road, small town static playing on the radio. I got nothing up my sleeve. Tell me what is real and what is made. Tell me now who's keeping score.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, our old friend Gary Larison is newish Pride, Stephanie Stevens are joining us. The album, it's a solo album, Dark Country. It's available to buy and to stream everywhere right now. Dates are coming up. Gary, of course, you probably know best from the Jayhawks, one of my favorite bands. Good to see you guys.

[Gary Louris]

Hey, Adam.

[Adam Carolla]

Hey, Adam.

[Gary Louris]

Yeah. This is Stephanie.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

Yeah, we met before.

[Adam Carolla]

We met on an airplane, I believe.

[Gary Louris]

I think so. How are you?

[Adam Carolla]

I'm well. How are you doing?

[Gary Louris]

Good. We're in the snowy mountains of Quebec.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really? Do you live there?

[Gary Louris]

Yes. Steph is a Canadian.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

Yeah, I'm Canadian.

[Gary Louris]

I'm a permanent resident at this point.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, wow.

[Gary Louris]

Yes.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

We were on the podcast with you a few years back during COVID I believe, a little thing called Covid 21.

[Adam Carolla]

I remember that. But I also have a recollection of running into you guys on an airplane for some reason shortly before you got married. And I'm guessing that could have been six or seven years ago, but I don't know. How long have you guys been married?

[Stephanie Stevenson]

Almost.

[Gary Louris]

It'll be five.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

Five years.

[Gary Louris]

Five years.

[Adam Carolla]

So maybe I ran into you right before. I think I ran into you before you were getting married on an airplane. For. For some reason.

[Gary Louris]

But I'm afraid of airplanes.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

I could have been drinking heavily then because I'm not a big fan of flying. So.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, well, I could have been drinking and made this whole thing up as well. So it sounds like pretty good country for writing songs. Snowy Quebec.

[Gary Louris]

Well, for some reason I keep moving from one snowy place to another. I grew up in Ohio, then I moved to Minnesota and spent 40 something years there and then moved here. So I think the next move we make is somewhere warm. So if you have any suggestions, let us know because we're thinking about it.

[Adam Carolla]

We are, yeah. I think the plan is to get two places. You get the warm place, you get the cold place, and then you figure out when to go from one to the next. But I mean, you do a lot of touring, right, Gary? I mean, you're not constantly touring, but you're. You've been on the road a lot over the last 30, 40 years, right?

[Gary Louris]

Oh, yeah. Back in the 90s, you know, there was at least 150 dates. Probably now we do about 60 or so between the band and my solo stuff. So. Yeah. So too much, really. Sometimes the. The excitement of getting on a plane is gone. So as they say, we're touring. Like the stones, remember 25 by 5. They asked Charlie Watts, like, what's it like? He said, it's five years of playing and 20 years of waiting around, which is basically a lot of short.

[Adam Carolla]

Have you. Who have, you know, the Jayhawks. I came on to probably 93, 94, I think, when Tomorrow the Green Grass I think came out. 93, 94, I'm trying to think.

[Gary Louris]

Yeah, tomorrow. The Green Grass just had its 30 year anniversary this past February, 14th. So that's 1995.

[Adam Carolla]

95.

[Gary Louris]

It was recorded in 90. Yeah, February of 95.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I was gonna say early 95. Cause I kind of remember where I was living. If you moved around enough back in the day and you listened to the radio back in the day, you could sort of chart your movement with what songs were on the radio. I kind of go, oh, I remember I was in that house in La Crescenta with my two roommates when I caught on to the Jayhawks. And I've always been a huge, huge fan, as you've known.

[Gary Louris]

Thank you.

[Adam Carolla]

And I've always sort of neutral. Thank you. I've spread the gospel as much as I could. And I've always kind of found that people that know music and like music were always fans of yours and the Jayhawks. But it doesn't really guarantee any other success beyond working, you know, like being really good. Like people say to me, who's the funniest guy you know? And I just go, you don't know his name. So. And I realized that's kind of the nature of the business. And at some point you have to be content with making a living and being good. Or you tell me.

[Gary Louris]

Yeah, well, you know, in the early days it was. We were going to, I felt like we were going to conquer the world and look out, you know, and then you adjust your, your image of yourself, I guess. And then. And people tell you, because I'm competitive and you know, I want to, but I, you know, people try to tell you, you know, relatively speaking, you're so lucky. You get to do what you love to do for a living. And I was talking to Steph the other day when she was trying to talk about what it was like to go work in an officers. I'm like, yeah, I don't really know what that was like, what it was like to get up. Right.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

He'll get up and commute and have to answer to somebody. And I mean, it's, it's not for everyone, but he gets to answer to his self, which sometimes like you, Adam, as, you know, a comedian and an artist and it, it's in, it's within you to push yourself. And sometimes that's the hardest thing to do, I think.

[Gary Louris]

Yeah, I'm pretty self critical and it's nice to, to. I, I don't know. Yeah, I, I certainly have a different place. I found a different place in life than maybe I thought originally I would have. But yeah, I don't know. I try to. I can be a very, very much a half glass Half empty guy.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gary Louris]

Well, look, most positive guy in the world.

[Adam Carolla]

I'll. I'll tell you the good part of the glass and the bad part of the glass, the good part of the glass is you have defied the odds by making a living doing your art. And 97% of society cannot. Or 99.9% of society can't say. 99% of actors, comedians, musicians, artists, fine artists, sculptors, can't say they make a living full time doing that thing. So you have defied those odds and you have not had what we would call a daytime job for 40 years, 35 years or whatever.

[Gary Louris]

Exactly right.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay. That's the good part, the bad part, the half full.

[Gary Louris]

Maybe just stop now while I'm feeling good about myself.

[Adam Carolla]

No, no, because I'm including myself in this glass. Half full are half empty. And the half empty part is there are many people who, you know, you are more talented than, who are selling more tickets and moving more product. And it's not because you're a narcissist or you're sort of delusional. You know, you're better singer, songwriter, musician, what have you. The sound is superior to this. Just like I know there's comedians who are playing Madison Square Garden who I would be funnier than, but I'm heading to the whatever club this weekend. And so you have to kind of deal with that. It comes with the territory and you're not the first person to experience it. It's happened since time immemorial. This is how this works. But you're still amongst the 99.9% who wakes up on Monday morning and does not have to get sit in traffic. But when you hear about crap bola band playing the Megadome, you do have to sit there and go, better than they are.

[Gary Louris]

Yeah. Or when you want to book that trip to Turks and Caicos and you want to, you don't want to fly coach and you don't want to say it's some shitty all inclusive thing. And you're like, yeah, but I'm an artist, you know, I got to do what I love. Yeah. It depends on the day. But my wife here is always good at propping me up, which I need sometimes. But. Yeah, well, I mean, I think, you.

[Adam Carolla]

Know, and it's also, it's not really a pure talent competition because people aren't sophisticated enough to kind of hear the difference between what is that? And what is something lesser than that. You know, they respond to stuff that to me, I always feel sort of like Jesus. Right? You like that song and like, oh yeah, I like this song. I'm like, wow, it's a bad. But it's sort of like watching a dog eat a hot dog that fell off a table. It's just like they like it. You know what I mean? Like that's. Go and have that they're happy. Meaning they're actually happier with the hot dog than they would be with filet mignon. And that's something you kind of have to deal with. But at the beginning when you get out of the gate, you go, okay, people are ready for this. Like, oh, this is going to be good. And then you realize they're not really sophisticated enough to totally appreciate what it is you're doing on a mass level.

[Gary Louris]

Yeah, I'm basically. We're too good to each other. We're too talented and that's our problem. Yeah. That is maddening. When you see people who. I mean, I'll hear songs on the.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

Radio station or something like how the hell does she get 5 million hits on some song that no one really. There's probably zero thought to it. And then I see him creating a love song for me and I'm completely blown out of the water that he can pull all of that together to create something so beautiful.

[Adam Carolla]

So yeah, listen, but I mean, I don't know. Should we have it any other way? You know, people all appreciate what you appreciate and understand everything.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

That's why there's chocolate and vanilla.

[Gary Louris]

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I think about other, you know, all these people who win an Oscar, an Academy Award and then all the. The great actors who never won it or, or in my business, people like Nick Drake or the Velvet Underground or big star bands like that in their day could not get arrested if they. I think what's sad for me is just because. And I don't want to get on a rant but because so many people, because they don't pay for music anymore. I. I have friends who are really good musicians who are now taking, you know, classes to be a realtor or don't do business any. Can't make music anymore. And it kind of squeezes out the middle guys. The. The people who are mega star ours will continue to be able to make music and do. To succeed in whatever they want to do. And then there's the people who are just making music out of their basement. They're fine. But it's the middle people who. I. I've heard David Byrne talk about this too. They get a bit sque that I can get a little bitter about. But I was just starting to feel good about myself. And then.

[Adam Carolla]

99.9.

[Gary Louris]

99.9. Damn it.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, here's something I was thinking about when I was thinking about you and I was thinking about the Jayhawks, and I wonder if this is true, because I've never really thought about it, but I realized my relationship with certain artists. Jayhawk's one of them. Maybe John Hyatt is another one of them. Where I go, oh, I like this song. I like this song. And I listened to it for a while, and then some of their other songs come creeping on, and I go, oh, yeah, no, I like this song, not that song. And then at some point, I shift. I go, oh, I like this song now. And I think. And I don't know, but. But I think if you like the Beastie Boys, you just have, like, four songs that you like, and that was in high school, and now you're 50, and it's still the same four songs. When I listen to the Jayhawks, I move around. Like, I had songs that were my favorite Jayhawk songs three years ago, but there's new ones, and now I like those because there's so many, and the radio isn't really interfering, telling me which ones I need to like. I find them myself. But then also, I think it's a mark of a good artist, because I do feel that way with other artists I like, not just the hit or the couple of hits. And then I also think about, how do you put together a set list if all you have is good songs with a handful of radio play songs, you know, hits. But what about the rest of the set list? Like, if I go see Gary or the Jayhawks, I'm like, I don't know what songs they're gonna play. I know the songs I want them to play. But you have 150 songs, and three of them got a bunch of radio play.

[Gary Louris]

Well, that's kind of like. I love crossword puzzles. It's kind of like putting together a set list is a little bit like that. It's a bit of a game. And I'm certainly not someone to pick 30 most obscure songs to play live just to please that uber fan who's been waiting here. Something I haven't played. And so I kind of give the people what I want. But it's also because I still like the songs.

[Adam Carolla]

It's.

[Gary Louris]

I'm not playing anything we don't like, but it is a challenge. As you know, when we first started playing, we. We didn't have many songs. You'd have to repeat songs, you know, to fill out a 45 minute set. Now if I really wanted to touch on every record and, and represent everything, it's like a two or three hour show which is. Is kind of long. I remember Rick Rubin telling me leave, leave him hungry Gary. Leave him wanting more for those, those set list, those shows. But you know, we're, we didn't have those radio hits. In certain ways we are. I used to say our lack of success has been helped us succeed in a certain way because we have longevity. I have so many friends, people I know who've had radio hits. We never had a radio hit and that' to find them and was kind of what was played in the office that year. And that was like you said that the radio chose what song to listen to and they got known for those three songs or two songs and, and then they get on the oldies circuit then and their bands a lot of times who sold many more records than we did. But they would warm us up now. So, but so we have this kind of. Because we didn't have one or two songs define us. We have this longevity kind of the slow build and yeah, we're going on 40. Been 40 years we've been a band. Next year there's a book coming. There'll be a book coming out finally. And no movie yet, but so we have the longevity. We didn't have the big rise up in the but we didn't have the plummeting doubt either.

[Adam Carolla]

No, I feel you it. Everyone wants that mega hit. But it does become sort of sad when people are in their 60s and 70s doing the hit you remember from 1969. And there's something about it that feels a little sad. It's always also funny or sort of sad when people get known for doing like Chubby Checker Got the Twist and then there's the Peppermint Twist and then there's let's Twist during Christmas and there's the Hanukkah Twist and the Arbor Day twist. It's like you kind of just go, oh, so sad. Yeah, like when you'd see I know Gilligan, I used to feel sick. Yeah, Gilligan at age 75 wearing the outfit at the boat show. You know, you go, right, I heard.

[Gary Louris]

Some story how Christopher Cross would, he would play his, his hit first just to screw over all those people. Like, oh, I don't need to show up till like halfway through the show because he's not going to play. Because mostly you put your hits towards the end. Right. You don't play it at the.

[Adam Carolla]

Let's give Chris lacrosse's due. We got Ride like the Wind too. Just saying.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

He's had a couple. Didn't he have the one from Arthur?

[Adam Carolla]

Which was Arthur?

[Stephanie Stevenson]

Yeah, yeah, he had a few, but I guess he just. He just hits people right away with them. They're late for the show. That's tough.

[Gary Louris]

I'm not really a fan, but I thought. I was impressed with that.

[Adam Carolla]

I have a. I don't know why, but I told Dawson to find a song of yours, which is a good example. We put the title on the screen at some point, but it's a very good example of. I would just listen to the Jayhawks and I was like. The first 11 times I heard this song, I was like, that's a shanty or something. It's some sort of drinking song or something. But then I started really getting. I started really getting into it and now it's in my top rotation. But if people want to know a good. A good representation of the Jayhawk sound, I think this is a pretty good example of that.

[Gary Louris]

Although, you know, it's. It's a song I wrote. It was on a Dixie Chicks record, right? Or the Chicks.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, is this a chick song?

[Gary Louris]

It's a song I wrote with them. It was on their album Taking the Long Way, which had a few of my songs on it. I co wrote with them.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, did we? We talked about this before, but I think it was another Dixie or another Chicks.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

Everybody knows. Everybody knows.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, so this was another one that was on it and I didn't even know that. That's weird.

[Gary Louris]

Yeah.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

That was me back here on the wall.

[Gary Louris]

Yeah. Am I blocking my Grammy? I'm sorry.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Am I blocking my Tony? Let me check. Oh, yeah. I gotta move my seat once in a while. Oh, so this is that. Well, that is. All right, let me enjoy this. Let me enjoy this for 20 seconds.

[Gary Louris]

I'll shut.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, where'd you go?

[Gary Louris]

It's now, right? I can't sleep tonight knowing you should have played on. On and on and on the abandoned roads. You never listen to that TikTok's record the way.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, well, now this is. This is mind numbing because again, this isn't in my Jayhawks rotation, but lately I've been really appreciating this song. But then last time we talked about the other Dixie Chick song which you wrote or co wrote. Let me try it. Which was which song? Sorry.

[Gary Louris]

Everybody knows. I think I co wrote like four of Them, but it was that. That's another one of those songs about the backlash they got when they. They complained about Bush.

[Adam Carolla]

But I love that there was an album I love so Everybody Knows was inspired by that.

[Gary Louris]

Yeah. I think at that time, that was on their minds. And. But then my friend John Jackson at Sony that said, you know, why don't you record kind of a bridge record in between your next new record. Why don't you record songs you had co written with other people and have the Jayhawks do them? So that's kind of what it's called. Back Roads and Abandoned Motels. That's what that song is from. That's our version of the song, but it's called Bitter End. And it was on that Taking the Long Way record, the Dixie Chicks record.

[Adam Carolla]

That's so weird. But maybe, sonically, there's some. I was tuning into where I was, like, last time we talked, I was like, everybody knows I love that song. And you're like, yeah, the Dixie.

[Gary Louris]

Dixie.

[Adam Carolla]

And this time I was like, bitter End.

[Gary Louris]

Weird.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

That's funny.

[Adam Carolla]

By the way, this is out of 200 songs that I know of the Jayhawks. So this is rando stuff. And this is not their. You know, when you go. You know when I would tell people, oh, listen to Jax, they go, who the. I go. I'll play Blue. And then I'll go. And then we'll go, oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. All right. This is not blue. This is a way deeper cut. But yet I tapped into something weird here. And then also, Bad Times is great, one of the few Jayhawks covers, but I think we've talked about that in the past, which is a great cover of that. But now I'm trying to think, what are the other two Jayhawk songs that I know, because I like the Dixie Chicks and that Natalie Maines took me as her date to the Grammys the first year they won Album of the Year, or whatever it is. It was a crazy story, but I was there and I. I forgot about that. I escorted her. And then there's a whole story after that that Kimmel manufactured to my detriment, which is insane.

[Gary Louris]

We love Jimmy.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

We love Jimmy. He's got to go on Jimmy.

[Gary Louris]

Oh, yeah, we gotta.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

I wonder if he would like Jimmy.

[Gary Louris]

Put a call in.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

Would you like Jimmy and Howard, who I. You know, he's my God, but I think he's so savage. I think Howard would love the J Hut. Like, all the right reasons. Like, he's a teenage girl.

[Adam Carolla]

He likes good music. Yeah.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

You know, he gets it. Mostly he gets it.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, Dawson, find out what other two Jayhawk songs are on the Dixie or Sorry, Chicks. But anyway, Natalie asked me to take her to the. Escort her to the. To the Grammys. I think their first year.

[Gary Louris]

What, Rick, the first year they won.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

What year would have that been?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, that's way before I'm going back to the house I lived in and trying to think when I was there.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

Exactly what address were you at?

[Adam Carolla]

I will. I would reckon about 98. Could have been 98, 99.

[Gary Louris]

What was the hit?

[Stephanie Stevenson]

Was there backlash from you taking her?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, it was her first. It was their first record with all the hits on it, and they won either Artist of the Year or New Artist of the Year or Country Artists of the Year. I can't remember what category they went in, but it was probably 99 or 2000. It was 99, probably. Cause I was, like, sitting at my desk and we were doing the man show, and the phone rang, and it was my manager's gay assistant. And he said, natalie Mains from the Dixie Chicks wants you to escort her to the Grammys. And I said, oh, wow, I like the Dixie Chicks. That's kind of flattering. Why? She want me to take her to the Grammys?

[TJ Miller]

Yeah.

[Gary Louris]

Did she know you before?

[Adam Carolla]

I didn't know Howard Stern, superfan. I never met her. She watched Loveline on MTV when I was on mtv. So then I said to my gay assistant guy, I said, well, I said, I have a girlfriend, so I don't know. How would that work? What would be the optics of that? Before anyone used the word optics. And he went. He went, it's Hollywood. People do this all the time. This is how it works. And I was like, are you sure? That's something that's done a lot, like somebody escorting somebody to the show, but they have a girlfriend, but they're not going. And he goes, oh, yeah, that's how they do it. That's what we do. And I knew I had to do Loveline that night, so I had to be out of there, out of the Grammys at 9:15 or 9:30. Probably start at like 5 or something. So I was like, okay. So then I went home and I told my girlfriend, and she was pissed. And I was like, you know, I don't know. I'm just going to go. And then as soon as it's done, I'm just going home. I'm going to work. Because I worked at night. And so I went and they won. And I don't know. Now we Got to look that up. Dawson must have been 99. Well, I got the songs for you. I got the songs. The other two are I Like it and Baby hold on, in addition to Everybody Knows and Bitter End. Did.

[Gary Louris]

And there are a couple of B.

[Adam Carolla]

Sides, I think did Jayhawks off of your works. Gary Lauris. Okay. Did the Jayhawks cover those songs?

[Gary Louris]

No.

[Adam Carolla]

That's why I don't know.

[Gary Louris]

Yeah, they weren't as good as the other two.

[Adam Carolla]

You can't do better than those two. So I go to the Grammys. It all goes good. They win 1998. Yeah, I guess it would have been toward the end of 98. Right. And they win what? Best country or Best New. Whatever. We'll figure that out. But anyway, they win. Everything's good. And then my girlfriend's still kind of pissed off. Best country album. And then I go to work. I go to work the next day, and I get a big bouquet of roses from Natalie. And then giant cookies start showing up. And I talked to her on the phone, and she was watching Loveline, and it turned a whole thing. And I won't bore everyone with the details, but it was Jimmy who was sending all the stuff to the office, not her. And at some point, he'd sent panties in a box. And he explained that this was getting out of control and that I needed to call her and I needed to confront her. And I said, yeah. I said, jimmy, I'll call her. Cause I did call her before, and I said, thanks for the flowers. And she went like, yeah, okay, no problem. But she never sent flowers. But she did what I would do if someone thanked me for flowers. I'd just go, yeah, okay, no problem. You're worth it. And so Jimmy, this during work hours. He just went, you better call her right now and straighten her out, because you got a girlfriend, and this is getting out of control, and she's nuts. And I said, I'll call her later. And he goes, call her now. I said, all right, I'll call her. And I called her, and she was at a Pottery Barn with her mom, and she was like, oh, hey, Adam. What's going on? I was like, yeah, listen, look.

[TJ Miller]

I.

[Adam Carolla]

Told you I have a girlfriend, and you're attractive, and it's great and it's flattering, but I can't do this. I can't do this. I have a girlfriend. And listen, if I didn't have a girlfriend, Jesus Christ, we're going out tonight. But you can't keep sending over this panties and cookies and stuff. And she's like, huh? I'm like, what? She's like, what are you talking about? And I'm like, what am I talking about? I got it all piled up on my desk. What are you talking about? She's like, I didn't send you anything. And I was like, you sent flowers. I called you about the flowers. I thanked you. You said, fine. She goes, I just thought my agent sent those. I didn't send any flowers. And I looked up and Jimmy was standing on his desk and he was filming me on a video camera. And I was like, oh, my God. And I didn't even know what to do anymore. I just said, you know what? Tell your mom I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I can't even explain this. I'll call you at some point and like. Like, explain it. I can't do it now. I just hung up the phone. But he. Jimmy. Jimmy did all this stuff. That was all him.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

Brilliant.

[Gary Louris]

Genius.

[Adam Carolla]

It was genius. Yeah, it was genius.

[Gary Louris]

Does he have good taste? Does he have good taste in music? I don't know.

[Adam Carolla]

No. He loves Huey Lewis in the news.

[Gary Louris]

Okay, good to know. I don't hate Huey.

[Adam Carolla]

Rift. I love backstage Listen.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

Want a new drug?

[Adam Carolla]

I love it. First off, Huey is the greatest guy in the world. I love Huey Lewis. I love that.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

Well, that documentary.

[Gary Louris]

That documentary. Did you see that one about We Are the World?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Awesome.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

He's a star.

[Gary Louris]

He comes off as just. I love him.

[Adam Carolla]

Greatest guy in the world. But Stuck with youh is just a embarrassment of a nursery rhyme of a song that should have never got played on the radio. So that's all I have to say. But Huey knows my feelings. He knows my feelings. But no, I'm trying to think. Now, don't get me wrong. I probably tried to make Jimmy listen to the Jayhawks more than once. So don't get me wrong. I do what I could. If anyone.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

We're not getting you wrong. But I like it.

[Adam Carolla]

Anyone who.

[Gary Louris]

I gotta get Howard.

[Adam Carolla]

Anyone I share. Everyone I share an office with gets exposed to Jayhawks at some point.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

Whether they like it or not.

[Adam Carolla]

Whether they like it or not. No. Everybody. Everybody who gets continuously exposed to the Jayhawks loves the Jayhawks. As a matter of fact, I have a girlfriend, younger girlfriend, who I have a younger wife who loves Paula Abdul and the Jayhawks.

[Gary Louris]

Interesting.

[Adam Carolla]

Eclectic.

[Gary Louris]

I never would have thought those two musicians.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

I straight up now tell me.

[Adam Carolla]

I have told her the dance for you. Yes. I said, you are the only human being on the planet that likes Paul Abdul and the Jayhawks. There's no other creature. There's nobody who roams this planet. Who says, I like Paul Abdul and the Jayhawks. I don't. Is there anybody else?

[Gary Louris]

I think you could sit in that order.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

I feel like we could have wine together. Because I don't mind. I don't mind the straight up, Nell. Tell me. I remember dancing to that in grade eight, whenever it was out. I mean, I was born in 1970. I think that was 80, 83, maybe, but it wasn't. I wasn't a pop girl. I was really underground music.

[Adam Carolla]

But I wouldn't. I wouldn't call Paula. I wouldn't call Paula sound timeless. I'll just say that.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

No, it's not. No, it's not.

[Adam Carolla]

But I would also argue that there's no human being. And I'll expand it to the planet, not just the United States or parts of Canada. Who likes the Jayhawks and Paul Abdul? I don't think it's possible. I think. I think she gets a surprise because the reason is she liked Paul Abdul from high school, and then I forced the Jayhawks on her. And once you get exposed. You know what I'm talking about. Let me give you guys a plug. We got tour dates coming up, right?

[Gary Louris]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

We got Woodstock, we got New York, we got. I'll put it out. And let me spell it, Gary. L O U r I s music.com is where you can go for dates, right?

[Gary Louris]

Right. You see it on the jayhawksofficial.com, too. Yeah, I have a Patreon page that I'll plug that gives you content, but otherwise. Yeah, I played in Minneapolis, playing in Chicago, playing in Duluth and. Duluth. Yeah. And then Jax will be. We don't have an LA date yet, but I think if we come. You've got to come. Yes, You've got to come.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, listen, I have to go.

[Gary Louris]

Have you seen us play live or.

[Adam Carolla]

Have you seen us. Oh, yes.

[Gary Louris]

Back in the 90s.

[Adam Carolla]

No, no, no, no, no. I don't think I had enough money in the 90s to buy a ticket to a live show. I saw you guys last time you were here, and I'm going to say that was about nine years ago, maybe eight and a half. I think it was at the Fonda.

[Gary Louris]

You were there.

[Adam Carolla]

Dawson came with me. Yes. As the Fonda. It was pre Covid, and it was probably a couple years before COVID So I'm going 18 or 19 or something. I'm sorry. It's been eight years plus is what my guess is.

[Gary Louris]

Yeah, I don't think we played there since 2015 or 2016. Paging was to prove.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

Well, the talk is where Jayhawks are gonna maybe play an LA date, hopefully.

[Gary Louris]

Yeah, so we'll expect you there.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I can get you.

[Gary Louris]

I can get you.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

Probably get you a ticket on the.

[Gary Louris]

Pay list if we need to.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

Listen, just maybe we'll get Paula Abdul to warm us up.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, give me your. Just give me your corporate rate and I'll have you play my warehouse.

[Gary Louris]

Yeah, right, right.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

Yeah, that'd be fun. Let's do it.

[Adam Carolla]

I'd do it. Listen, I got a whole man cave back here. Gary's been around.

[Gary Louris]

I've been there.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

I know. Well, I have some really dear friends in la.

[TJ Miller]

We.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

And Gary's sister has a place in Palm Desert, and so we're often out for little visits, so.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, listen, I'll pony up some cash. I know some rich guys. Yeah, we'll do it.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

Get the pot. Get the pot overflowing.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, we'll get it. We'll get it. We'll pass the hat. You guys come in, I got some room.

[Gary Louris]

LA is a tough market for us and it's tough for a lot of.

[Adam Carolla]

It's tough for everybody. It's. It's tough.

[Gary Louris]

Nashville and LA are really, really tough because it's kind of jaded every. There. Seen it all and of course I'm lumping everybody together, but.

[Adam Carolla]

No, but it's tough for comedians too. You know, it's just, it's not a good live venue kind of market. And also they don't get an appetite going, you know, like when you go to Appleton, Wisconsin, they're excited that you're coming to Appleton, Wisconsin.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

I had the best wax there.

[Gary Louris]

Excuse me.

[Adam Carolla]

No, I have a great time too. But, you know, it's not this here. It's just, you know, it's a sort of, you know, oh, who's next? You know what I mean? It's nothing. It's nothing but names coming to town or living in town, you know. All right, guys, always a pleasure. Please. Look, I'll go look for your tour dates anyway because I travel around a lot. But certainly if you come to la.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

I have a question. Can you tell me who your Go to News comic is? Because lately, again, I get all my comic information from listening to Howard, but I haven't heard, like, the, you know, the young guys coming up and who's. Who's amazing. And there's a lot. We love it.

[Adam Carolla]

There's tons. I. I mean, half the stuff on Netflix is funny. You Know Hulu, Hulu's coming on strong now. There's a lot of comedians that come through here that are doing their stuff on Hulu, you know, don't sleep on YouTube. There's a lot of kind of independent guys that aren't mainstream that just go ahead and release their stuff on YouTube. But I would say if you want some new voices and some new jokes, check out Hulu. Got quite a few people come through here plugging their Hulu specials and just it's kind of a taste thing. So it's kind of weird. I mean, maybe I'm a comic experiment expert, but you still have your taste, you know, and we have different tastes. So I would say go to Hulu and find out who's who. Who sort of melds with you taste wise.

[Gary Louris]

Well, I know that for a musician, we envy a comic. Even though I can't imagine being up there that naked with a microphone, but that, you know, you go to see a comic and comedian and they're just, they don't have to have gear. They don't, you know, it's not that long.

[Adam Carolla]

Sound channel. No, listen. I can't imagine how you listen. First off, all comics envy musicians. So it's a two way street.

[Gary Louris]

I know the grass is always greener.

[Adam Carolla]

But I will tell you, I'm gonna be in Monterey at the Golden State Theater March 1. And last time I was at the Monterey, the Golden State Theater, I sit in the green room and I see like posters signed of like Santana and there's like 26 dudes in that band, you know, And I'm like, I'm coming out, I'm doing one show, I'm doing okay, but I'm not getting rich off the one show. How's the math work with Santana and the sound checks and the band and the equipment and the roadie? I mean, what the hell is Carl.

[Stephanie Stevenson]

Walking out in the hotel rooms?

[Gary Louris]

Yeah. Flights. Yeah, everything. It's not easy.

[Adam Carolla]

You do it.

[Gary Louris]

I just keep looking and saying I'm doing it for the people. I'm giving my art to people. I'm helping people.

[Adam Carolla]

You do it because you love it.

[Gary Louris]

I'm such a good person, I can't get over it.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, guys.

[Gary Louris]

All right. Thank you.

[Adam Carolla]

Always great seeing you guys. Touch. We'll talk soon. Yeah, hopefully when you come to la. All right.

[TJ Miller]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

San Luis coming up on Friday and then I guess it's Saturday would be Monterey. We changed one to Friday and then Sunday, Napa, Uptown Theater. Lots of live shows. Phoenix coming up as well. And of course, Dark Country. Everything Gary does is great. Check that out. And until next time, this is Adam Crowfer at TJ Miller and Gary, Laura and his wife Stephanie saying mahalo. Leave us a voicemail at 888-634-1744 and get tickets to see the Aceman at AdamCorola.com.

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