Crispin Glover + Stephen Mitchell (Carolla Classics)

Summary

Adam Carolla Show – “Crispin Glover + Stephen Mitchell” (Carolla Classics)

Date: May 1, 2026
Podcast: Adam Carolla Show (Carolla Digital)

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Episode Overview

This "Carolla Classics" episode features two standout interviews from the Adam Carolla Show archives: an eccentric, revealing conversation with actor/filmmaker Crispin Glover (originally from 2016), and a deep dive into documentary filmmaking and football with Stephen Mitchell (from 2011). The episode embodies the signature Adam Carolla Show style: irreverent humor, candid banter, and insightful, left-field discussions on pop culture, showbiz, and masculinity.

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PART I: CRISPIN GLOVER (Ep. 1741, 2016)

Opening Banter & Vegas Tales

(03:20–43:47)

• The team (Adam, Brian “Bald Bryan” Bishop, Gina Grad) sets the stage, mocking travel mishaps, spelling errors, and road show chaos.
• They recount a chaotic Vegas trip for a home improvement convention, with anecdotes about delayed flights, misspelled signs, and Ray the unpredictable sidekick.
• Adam launches into an extended riff about the human tendency to avoid improving and how small failures in professionalism (valet drivers, airport signs, etc.) reveal larger truths about human character.

Adam Carolla (05:25):
“It’s a Slinky with no end and no beginning. ...We can rule out the knowledge that you know how to spell my name, so where do you then ...get from there to here?”

Notable Quotes & Moments

• On people not using microphones properly:
  • Adam (18:06): “I’d say, okay, listen, you’re jerking your right hand down to your hip every time you throw your left jab… just do what I’m telling you to do. ...And then at a certain point, I’d go, all right, now you need to take your right hand, you need to touch it to your right cheek. ...And the hand would go down to the side. ...You’re an adult. I’ve said this 11 times in a row. Like, where the fuck are we? It’s weird.”
• On “passive aggressive losers”:
  • Brian Bishop (20:08): “All the unsuccessful people I know have this one thing in common, which is… 'You will be pissed off in the exchange and that’s a win.' I’ll put that in the win column for me. ...If you are satiated by that, then that’s what makes you a loser.”

Landlord Grievances & Home Improvement

(22:17–24:56)

• Gina shares a landlord dispute over a rushed move-in and property problems. The panel offers advice on tenants' rights, the cleaning deposit myth, and California’s tenant-friendly laws.

Adam (24:26): “The laws in California really favor the renter. So if you wanted to make a stink... you’d probably have the longer side.”

Travel Woes: Southwest Airlines, Delays, and “Hold Music”

(25:45–33:53)

• Brian and Adam vent about airport and airline frustrations—delayed flights, “we’ll call you back” customer service, and the suffering inflicted by bar hold music.
• Adam’s mix of cynicism and gratitude for modern air travel surfaces.

Adam (41:00): “You can fly anywhere for $69... you really have to be philosophical. ...Let’s not take everything for granted.”

Special Guest: Jeff Abraham (“the dick spray guy”)

(43:47–64:38)

• Jeff Abraham joins to discuss his product Promescent, an FDA-approved delay spray for premature ejaculation.
• Candid male sex talk ensues, including industry rumors, why refractory periods matter, and the reality that even porn stars use sexual health products.
• The conversation veers into adolescent humor but lands on practical advice and word-of-mouth as the most powerful influencer.

Jeff Abraham (56:16): “In your 20s, the refractory period is generally 10–15 minutes. ...But in your 40s and 50s, you’re good for one shot an evening—maybe.”

Notable Moments

• Ron Jeremy story: Avoiding “the Hedgehog” on a Southwest flight, artful dodging, and the perils of huggy, long-haired acquaintances.
  • Adam (49:35): “We just sat in our seats, and everybody on the plane de-planed except for Ron Jeremy.”
• “How many showers have you taken this year?”
  • Brian Bishop (61:51): “How many Heisman trophies have you won, Adam?”
  • Adam: “…so far, none.”

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Crispin Glover – In Studio

(64:49–96:18)

Early Life, Family, and Career

• Crispin discusses his creative upbringing—actor father, dancer mother, no siblings—and his distinctive path in Hollywood.
• He describes his unique live show (dramatic book readings, independent films, and Q&As), his passion for eccentric projects, and the advantages of today’s indie distribution landscape.

Crispin Glover (68:19): “I’ve never come out and said, ‘I am eccentric.’ ...It means not following the straight line. ...I like to go into areas of unusual elements in my films.”

The Economics and Philosophy of Indie Film

• Glover explains he’s been able to make a living for decades solely as an actor and filmmaker—rare in Hollywood.
• They discuss the “luck versus work” debate, privilege, and the importance of acknowledging fortune when pursuing creative careers.

On Taboo & Propaganda in Corporate Cinema

(77:39–82:48)

• Crispin’s first film, What Is It?, was built to challenge taboos (most of the cast had Down Syndrome, but the film is not “about” Down Syndrome).
• He critiques how corporate funding removes discomfort and limits genuine art, turning movies into propaganda.
• The power of the internet to break through corporate “lassos” and allow more authentic voices emerges as a hope.

Crispin (79:39): “That moment when an audience member sits back… ‘Is this right what I’m watching? …What is it that’s taboo in the culture?’ …If you remove the possibility of people genuinely asking questions, it removes true education. ...The opposite… is propaganda.”

Religion, Relationships, and Parenting

• Crispin and Brian bond over non-religious childhoods and a skeptical view of organized religion’s power to control.
• A candid exchange about marriage, kids, financial risk, and evolving social norms:
  • Glover (89:32): “Never [been married]. Never even close.”
  • (91:39): “If I was going to be a parent, I’d want to be a good parent. ...Because I don’t have corporate distribution, I have to go out and do it myself.”
  • The team discusses the legal/cultural risks of marriage, alimony, and property loss.

“Back to the Future,” “Willard,” and Showbiz Memories

• Adam recalls iconic Glover roles, especially a scene from Willard—“Start over? I’m almost done.”
• Glover explains his approach to character acting and the lasting impact of well-written roles.

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Gina’s News: Palin, Oscars, BET, and More

(96:34–118:26)

Hot Topics

• Sarah Palin’s escalating rhetoric and her son’s legal woes
• Oscar diversity controversies—Will Smith’s boycott, race and industry bias
• Crispin introduces a theory: all corporate-funded and distributed films are propaganda serving business interests, sometimes at the cost of art or fairness.

Crispin (108:00): “Everything that is corporately funded… has a specific message. ...It would not be funded unless it’s approved by corporate interest.”

• BET Awards, historically black colleges, and whether “identity” institutions are relics or useful responses to past exclusion.

Standout, Funny Exchanges

• Adam (120:28): “I like your theory of people being out of it… but for, you know, someone who wants to make it their vocation [news anchor]… can’t name more than like three [Supreme Court Justices].”

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PART II: STEPHEN MITCHELL (Ep. 630, 2011)

The Kings of Leon Documentary: Talihina Sky

(127:57–186:00)

• Stephen Mitchell—filmmaker, former music publisher—joins Adam for a deeply engaging conversation about Kings of Leon and the making of his acclaimed doc Talihina Sky.
• He recounts the unlikely, rough rural upbringing of the Followill boys: poverty, traveling Pentecostal preachers, strictness, and the chaos/revelation of family reunions in rural Oklahoma.

Stephen Mitchell (128:55): “It’s as if they went back to the 30s, but they had color film… playing cider jugs barefoot, catching crawdads…”

• Adam and Stephen marvel at the “realness” of the family, noting both the comedic and tragic elements of their rougher relatives (“central casting for sort of hillbilly uncles”).

  • Stories of Uncle Cleo, rusted cabins, and catching snakes by hand alternate with reflections on loss and mortality.

• The duo explores the band's culture clash—rural, religious poverty to sudden global stardom.

• Discussion about the perils of excess in rock life, the persistent impact of early religious strictness, and the classic preacher's-kid narrative (“preachers’ kids are notorious hellraisers”).

Football, Masculinity, and Coaching

(155:43–184:52)

• Adam and Stephen shift to a nostalgic, passionate discussion of American football, with vivid memories of Pop Warner, concussions, “getting your bell rung,” gear, rituals, glory, and pain.
• The power of team, discipline, and coach-as-father-figure is explored, drawing connections to athlete biographies and the impact of luck, grit, and guidance in success stories.
• Adam reveals how he channeled a lack of parental motivation into sporting ambition (“I rebelled against the lethargy of my parents”).

Takeaways on Success, Luck, and The Myth of the “Big Break”

• Both showbiz and sports frame success as the product of “breaks,” but Adam and Stephen argue that hard work, sacrifice, and seizing opportunity drive real achievement—and society resists acknowledging this because it’s uncomfortable.

Adam (184:52): “It’s the part that shames society… if you did recognize how hard all these guys work, you then would have to look in the mirror and go, maybe I’m not working as hard as I should be.”

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Notable Quotes by Timestamp

• 18:06 (Adam Carolla): “I’ve said this 11 times in a row. Like, where the fuck are we? It’s weird.”
• 20:08 (Brian Bishop): “All the unsuccessful people I know have this… ‘You will be pissed off in the exchange and that’s a win.’”
• 41:00 (Adam Carolla): “You can fly anywhere for $69... you really have to be philosophical. ...Let’s not take everything for granted.”
• 68:19 (Crispin Glover): “I’ve never come out and said, ‘I am eccentric.’ ...It means not following the straight line.”
• 79:39 (Crispin Glover): “If you remove the possibility of people genuinely asking questions, it removes true education. ...The opposite… is propaganda.”
• 108:00 (Crispin Glover): “Everything that is corporately funded… has a specific message.”
• 184:52 (Adam Carolla): “It’s the part that shames society… if you did recognize how hard all these guys work… maybe I’m not working as hard as I should be.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:20 – Show opens, Vegas stories and human folly
• 18:06 – The inability to follow instructions/microphone rant
• 20:08 – The psychology of passive-aggressive losers
• 22:17 – Gina’s landlord grievance and rental discussion
• 25:45 – Travel nightmares: Southwest, airport etiquette, flight delays
• 43:47 – Jeff Abraham (“dick spray guy”): sex, aging, industry talk
• 64:49 – Crispin Glover interview starts: art, indie film, family
• 77:39 – Corporate film, taboo, and propaganda
• 89:32 – Crispin Glover on marriage/children philosophy
• 96:34 – Gina’s News: Palin, Oscars, BET, race and identity in Hollywood
• 127:57 – Stephen Mitchell: Kings of Leon documentary, rural America
• 155:43 – Nostalgia for football, masculinity, coaching, life lessons
• 184:52 – The myth of the “lucky break,” hard work & personal reflection

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Episode Tone & Style

Fast, witty, irreverent, sometimes raucous but incisive. Carolla and team blend blue-collar insight with a “life is absurd” philosophy, alternating hilarious vulgarity with occasional moments of subtle wisdom and vulnerability. Guests—especially Crispin Glover—bring an eccentric, philosophical energy that mixes well with the show’s affable banter.

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Useful for…

• Fans seeking a window into the offbeat minds of Carolla’s guests
• Those interested in indie film, showbiz economics, and the “taboo”
• People who appreciate insider reflections on “making it” in tough industries
• Anyone nostalgic for football, frustrated by modern customer service, or who loves rants about life’s small annoyances

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For More

• Crispin Glover: crispinglover.com, Crispin Hellion Glover social media accounts.
• Stephen Mitchell’s documentary: Talihina Sky – The Story of Kings of Leon
• Carolla archive and bonus shows: adamcarolla.substack.com

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Transcript

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[Brian Bishop]

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[Brian Bishop]

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[Gina Grad]

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[Giovanni]

Welcome to Cruella Classics. I'm your host superfan Giovanni. This is the podcast we play the best moments, highlights and fan selected clips from all 17 years of the Adam Carolla Show. If you'd like to hear any of the full episodes played today, make sure to check out Adam Corolla substack adamcarolla.substack.com There you'll gain access to the full archives of the Adam Carolla show, the Adam Dr. Drew show, as well as the podcast Beat It Out. And if you'd like to request a clip, please email us classicsdamcorla.com now we can play everything this feed from the Adam Carolla show, all almost 4200 episodes original episodes. We can't play anything from the Loveland days or from the KLSX Adam Carolla show which ran from January of 2006 through February of 2009715 episodes. So if you're writing in to request those clips, we can't play them. I have been restoring both of those archives for decades now. If you want to check out my work patreon.com Giovanni now onto the clips go back to 2016 for the first episode. Today it's Adam Caroller show 1741 with the great and bizarre eccentric Crispin Glover. Jeff Abraham. Yeah, the dick spray guy. Gina Grad and Brian Bishop. This is Gina's second year as news girl on the show. Adam first had Crispin on air in 2006 on a KLSX morning show in December of 2006, and they came back on the show again in December of 2007. He works with different communities and different types of projects, allowing people to act who normally might not have the ability to be in productions. He's done all these different things over the years, including his own acting career. Those interviews from Adam Pearl's morning show were kind of the most fascinating and perhaps earliest glimpses into the eccentricities of Crispin Glover that I think a general audience was more aware of. Right when he started talking about, you know, being in Back to the future 2, despite him not actually being in the movie and them using his likeness. I don't think they get Into Friday the 13th Part 4 in this one, which Brian should feel shame for. Hope you guys enjoy.

[Brian Bishop]

Good day. Gina Grad.

[Gina Grad]

You said good day to you. A little bit. I'll be. I'll pull through.

[Brian Bishop]

You sure?

[Gina Grad]

Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

Gary, get out the Vicks just to play it safe. No problem. And I'll tell you what, get out the Vix and get me my muff. Okay. All right. Okay. All right. Let's play it safe.

[Gina Grad]

It's better to be safe.

[Brian Bishop]

We need you here.

[Gina Grad]

Thank you.

[Brian Bishop]

Good day. Bald Bryan. That's my Nick.

[Crispin Glover]

My friend.

[Adam Carolla]

You said it, Russ.

[Brian Bishop]

All right. That was. By the way, I keep wanting to say Russell Wilson.

[Adam Carolla]

I do, too. It's a weird danger, Russ.

[Brian Bishop]

It's a weird. It's a weird thing. All right, so Crispin Glover's coming in and a few. Jeff Abraham as well. Crispin. I've not.

[Adam Carolla]

I said to Gary, he's had. Crispin Glover's in today. I'm like, have you ever met. Crispin said, no. I'm like, you're in for a treat.

[Brian Bishop]

Yes.

[Gina Grad]

I am so excited.

[Adam Carolla]

Have you ever met him either?

[Gina Grad]

No, dude.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, he's delight. He's a sweet, sweet man.

[Brian Bishop]

Yes.

[Gina Grad]

So exciting.

[Brian Bishop]

Until he stops being sweet.

[Adam Carolla]

Until he dissects you.

[Brian Bishop]

That's right. Oh, shit.

[Adam Carolla]

No, he really is a nice guy.

[Brian Bishop]

All right, so we were in Vegas yesterday, and there's a couple of. It's a phenom that I'm interested in and that I can't wrap my head around it comes up a lot and it's a weird thing. But Gary will speak to this. We do the live shows and we were doing. Not us doing a live show, but it was me.

[Adam Carolla]

What were you doing out there?

[Brian Bishop]

They had a big convention over there and we went out there, the ADNs. We went to the. You can see that, the McCarran Airport. The guy was waiting for me and the driver.

[Gina Grad]

Here's the thing, attention to detail.

[Brian Bishop]

Technology is great, but it still can't fight stupid. He's got a tablet and it says Adam Carolla, C O L. Says Corolla, R R O L, L A. And it's like, again, it's all over the Internet. And I literally won't write someone's name down without checking it because there's three different ways to spell it.

[Adam Carolla]

But I didn't notice the double misspelling. The C o R R. 2 I's 1.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, but why not? Why not just go the Internet?

[Adam Carolla]

You got the idea, buddy. Come on, you made your way there, didn't you?

[Brian Bishop]

I'm not offended, I'm just. It's a kind of how casual is your approach to life?

[Adam Carolla]

So a very customer service oriented business driving people to and from the airport.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, I would also argue that I don't give a shit, but I know celebrities that might. And if that's your world, why upset those who might? Either way, we just took a picture of the guy holding the tablet waiting at the bottom of the escalator. He was very confused when I tried to take that picture, by the way. Well, the thing that I find miraculously amazing, and it's a Slinky with no end and no beginning. For me, it's a never ending joy, which is we can rule out the knowledge that you know how to spell my name. Like, we can rule that out. We can rule out the part where, hey, listen, I played high school football with this guy to read the back of his jersey. I was a running back, he was a lineman. I used to see it every day. Like, that's been eliminated. We do know you don't know how to spell my name. So leading then into with that as a sort of springboard into the proceedings. Now you almost have to go to the Internet to figure it out. And seeing as how it doesn't exist in your form on the Internet, where do you then? How do you get from there to here?

[Adam Carolla]

I'm of the right age where I remember thinking, oh, the Internet. This will solve all of these problems. This will solve everything. You don't Know this will solve misspellings, spelling and writing.

[Gina Grad]

You need a horse to water, Brian.

[Adam Carolla]

It won't be a thing anymore.

[Gina Grad]

Can't make them spell.

[Adam Carolla]

Turns out it's still a thing.

[Brian Bishop]

No, as a matter of fact, I wonder if people are. I wonder if people are dialing down their brain and just getting. Losing that muscle. The muscle it took to go to the library and look things up.

[Gina Grad]

Curiosity muscle.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, just the. Just the legwork muscle. Right? Just the actual, like, remember Adam? You might not, but Gina remember microfiche. Of course you had to, like, look up for.

[Gina Grad]

Why would Adam remember microfiche?

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know if Adam did a lot of research.

[Brian Bishop]

You know what I would know? I'll tell you how I would know. When you'd go to. I think it's the same thing when you go to the parts counter at the Nissan dealership and they'd go find your alternator and they'd go find that little explode model of it with all the different bearings and gaskets and things. They'd have a thousand. They'd run it that way.

[Adam Carolla]

There's a car nerd version of this.

[Brian Bishop]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

Not just a bookish nerd version.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, imagine your car and how many gaskets, bearings and seals it has and how just in your transmission alone there's 800 pieces and you got to order those pieces and. Anyway, couple things. So on the way into the airport, I'm always glad when Fondelier or Gary gets to be the fly on the wall. The conversations I have with Mike August, which is I was explaining to him because last time we went through an airport and I was asked to dump my coffee out before I went through, Mike explained to me it's different from airport to airport's different. And I explained to him, no, it's not. It's never happened. It's only this one time in Newark. And he said, you never know. And I said, I always know. And then he said, well, let's find. Today we're heading to the airport. When you walk through Burbank Airport with your bottle of water, let's see if they make you dump it out. And I said, mike, we don't need to see at the kiosk if I need to dump it out when I walk in and they check the paper because I've done it 400,000 times and they've never asked me or anybody else to do it. So. Okay, well, we'll find out.

[Adam Carolla]

Sorry, I'm fired. Oh, I regret before I asking the question, but what does he Try. What would make him think he's right? Like, what would have to happen? Yeah, what would have to happen in this scenario to be like, told you so.

[Brian Bishop]

What would have to happen is we would walk in, there'd be the person who sits at the front at that little podium to let you into the line, to let you into the line. And as I was walking in holding my sparklets bottle, they would go, sir, I need you to go ahead and throw that away now before you get into line. Which I know with my crystal brain will never happen because of the 5,000 times I've done it where it's never happened. But Mike was holding the line, right? He was very, very insistent. It was kind of hilarious and upsetting. Very upsetting too. Matt was, well, imagine traveling the country with that. Matt went with us. What trip was this? The thing that was funny. Amazing trip. It was a fun exchange, which was later I said, when we were standing in front of the conveyor belt, I said, mike, here's how you know it's not a rule at the airport that you have to dump out your liquids at the front of the serpentine line before you eventually get to the metal detector. Because when Aunt Esther, the super angry 61 year old woman of color with the crazy hair asked me or told me to throw it out and I just told her, hey, buzz off, I'm not doing it. And walk through. You can't do that. In TSA there is a rule.

[Gina Grad]

Nobody tackled it.

[Brian Bishop]

No one says we have to pull you out for additional screening. And you go, not feeling it today. Just gonna keep walking. That meets with being tackled. And he said, well, maybe it does, maybe it does. You never know. And I said, no, Mike, you do know. You do know. There is no do this. Take your belt off and you go not feeling it. So the reason, you know, it's not a rule is it was a request that I just walked past. I stood there and went, I heard what you had to say. Now I'm not going to do it and I'm leaving. And she didn't do anything.

[Adam Carolla]

There's nothing to do.

[Brian Bishop]

There's no phone calls, there's no anything to do. Radio dispatch, there was no law. There's no rule. That's how you know. But that was.

[Adam Carolla]

So what happened? We're on the edge of our seats.

[Brian Bishop]

What happened is what always happens, whatever I said, but never. It never gets any traction.

[Gina Grad]

What are you gonna do? You win some, you lose some.

[Adam Carolla]

August was conciliatory. It was like, well, you know, when I'M wrong.

[Stephen Mitchell]

I'm wrong.

[Gina Grad]

Yeah, right.

[Brian Bishop]

It's as if Brian was there too. That's exactly how it went down. So we went over there to Las Vegas and we were. I was a pig in shit. I was walking around looking at all the new drill bits and Pex Flex tubing and all the home improvement. All the home improvement stuff. I was going.

[Adam Carolla]

I was serious. I have no idea what you went for.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, I was going nuts. It was a live ace on the house.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, okay. Gotcha.

[Gina Grad]

It's all coming together.

[Brian Bishop]

It was at a home improvement convention. It was a lot of fun. Yeah. Can you guys riddle me this and tell me why and how and if this is a marker of harbinger or marker of doom and failure, or if it's just the way we are or how it works. There's a new world order, which is when I do these live shows, meaning I'm up on a little stage and there's a group that's gathered around us and we're holding microphones. It doesn't really matter who I'm up there with. They usually start off by not speaking into the microphone, which is weird because they've been handed a microphone.

[Adam Carolla]

These are not broadcasters.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, some, yes. They're not stand up comedians. They're not game show hosts, but they're still guys like Ray. We've been doing the show for four years and we've done quite a few live shows. And every time we do a live one, I have to grab his arm and go. You have to. You're sitting on a stage where your voice is not being projected. Are you not seeing that these people don't hear what you're saying because you're not talking into the end of the device we gave you to talk into?

[Gina Grad]

I often wonder this as well, and I wonder if it just. Aside from a couple of morons, if it comes down to shyness, like, psychologically, they don't want to be that loud. They're not familiar with what they're doing.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, I'm gonna consider that argument, but I'm then going to nullify that by fast forwarding to us at the southwest terminal where Ray was played. Marry, Kill, Fuck was playing with a bunch of strange women in the terminal.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, wait. Asking them the question or pointing at them?

[Brian Bishop]

I was trying to tune at them.

[Gina Grad]

They knew they were playing.

[Brian Bishop]

They were not pretending to marry, Fuck, kill. Sorry, I was way up. It was a little bit of everything. It was RA asking us to comment on the women around us and then also asking the Women to choose between Adam and August and myself, you know, the same. Shouted at a guy who was reading a Wall Street Journal. Don't pretend you're not listening. Like in a three piece suit, you know. You know how they sit you where you're looking at the guy in front of you and he's probably nine feet in front of you. And there's a poor guy, dapperly dressed, you know, early 70s, late 60s guy, just trying to keep his head buried in his paper as hard as he possibly. As hard as he possibly can. And Ray just looks up and goes, don't pretend they can't hear us. And the guy, like, the guy literally didn't move. And he was like, you start shaking with the newspaper and the guy was just at his head. Like, the guy wouldn't. He didn't look up, did he? No, he definitely did not. And I don't know if you know this, but going into the airport, Ray got pulled aside because he still had a bottle of beer in his backpack and he did not get through screening.

[Gina Grad]

By the way, there's nothing that TSA likes more than you saying, you're gonna kill somebody in an airport.

[Brian Bishop]

Screaming it. So he was screaming at that guy. He was yelling at the guy at the southwest counter. He was yelling at all the women around us, right? Literally sitting next to me, asking me which of the two women next to me I would rather fuck, kill or marry. I'm like, I'm not going to kill either of you ladies. You're both very nice.

[Jeff Abraham]

Like, what are you doing?

[Adam Carolla]

You're talking to the person we were addressing, the stranger who you don't know. It might be perfectly nice person.

[Gina Grad]

It's a game best played behind someone's back.

[Brian Bishop]

I think Ray did eventually just reach over me and then pointed at one of the girls and said, I would kill you. I would fuck you and I would marry her. Like, wow. So the.

[Adam Carolla]

What a lothario?

[Brian Bishop]

You know, the part where he's a wallflower, has agoraphobic or something like that? Probably not playing heavily into the part where he wouldn't speak into the fucking

[Adam Carolla]

microphone in this instance, Gina, your theory does not hold up, Right? In this specific instance, he did speak

[Brian Bishop]

into the microphone at this conference of people from across America, only to swear every time Adam would chastise him for not speaking into the microphone, he would put it right up to his mouth and scream obscenities, right? So that was good. And then you'd see the mic being held sort of sideways and him talking into it. And it was like, right. Only 11 times did I have to grab his hand and correct it and put it under his mouth and tell him to talk into the microphone. And here's what I said to Lynette, but it's kind of where I'm at in general. We did this last year, and I had to go through the hold the mic up and talk into the mic discussion with him last year. I feel like in days of yore, there would be a one year span between conversations, or possibly even a two day or two hour span between conversations. The span between hold the mic up and talk into the mic in front of the group of people. Last 31 seconds. The mic then starts to wilt. The hand turns his side. But I realize, like, I remember one time gravity takes effect when I used to teach boxing. And I'd say, you know, put those hands up, put that right hand back and hold. Put that right hand by your cheek and throw that jab. Shoot that jab out. And the right hand would just go right down to the right hip. Shoot that jab out right down to the right hip. And I'd say, okay, listen, you're jerking your right hand down to your hip. Every time you throw your left jab, just keep it up on your cheek. Okay, here we go. Boom. Right down to the hip. And then I go, okay, listen, just do what I'm telling you to do. Just take your right hand, just keep it up and throw that jab out there right down the hip. And then at a certain point, I'd go, all right, now you need to take your right hand, you need to touch it to your right cheek. And you can't break it. It's like an electrical current is being passed through there. So touch your right cheek and throw that left jab. And the hand would go down to the side. And I'd go, hey, what are you doing? And they'd go, hey, whoa. What are you yelling at? It's like, because you're an adult. I've said this 11 times in a row. Like, where the fuck are we? It's weird.

[Adam Carolla]

Don't some boxing trainers, like, give you the bap on the side of the

[Gina Grad]

head that's gonna say at that point, you gotta hit?

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, but I've seen that in movies. These guys aren't guys I found at the police rec league. These are attorneys and doctors from Pasadena.

[Adam Carolla]

Don't appreciate being smacked by their.

[Brian Bishop]

Take the punctured eardrums, something that they look forward to if they were troubled youth. Yes, it's A weird. It's just a weird. It's a weird thing. I find it very weird. I understand it's universal. I understand it's human. I still find it's weird. Like when we went out, when me and Nate went out and we were in Indianapolis and we're doing Q and A for the Newman doc, Nate's hand would start drifting down and I'd hit his elbow and bring it back up, and then it'd come drifting down again and he'd be answering questions, but nobody could hear him. And then I'd grab. What is that? Here's all I'm saying. When somebody. When you're on a stage and there's a large crowd and everyone's watching you and somebody grabs your arm and literally moves the mic toward your mouth, do you not go into embarrassment mode? And then second embarrassment is, that will never happen again. Like, I'm never gonna.

[Adam Carolla]

You'd think. Now that I'm thinking about it, I think. I think you're. We are blessed of having talked into a microphone for some number of years, and we're used to it. But now I'm thinking about. You may remember, you may not. At my wedding, Christy's dad gave the speech and he gave the mic. Kept drifting away. Oh, yeah, Don, Don, pick them up. Oh, yeah. I'm so sorry about that. And he's a well spoken guy.

[Brian Bishop]

Smart guy, but. No but. Ray and I have done 500 episodes and we've also done five live shows. And I also started the show by telling him, you can't have your. He was holding his mic like he was holding his dick. Like. Like, put your hand up and talk into your mic.

[Adam Carolla]

He's putting the mic in your ear.

[Brian Bishop]

He's like holding it sideways. It's like just anything.

[Gina Grad]

Well, to Brian's point, but I agree. At what point do you consider that he's fucking with you just to make you mad?

[Adam Carolla]

That's a real possibility.

[Brian Bishop]

All losers are a little bit passive aggressive. Well, I mean, they're willing. Like, here's their conceit. I'm gonna look here.

[Adam Carolla]

I missed that.

[Brian Bishop]

All the unsuccessful people I know have this one thing in common, which is, yes, I'm not really gonna get paid, and yes, I'm not gonna look very good. But you will be pissed off in the exchange, and that's a win. I'll put that in the win column for me. Yeah, Like, I know what you're asking me to do. Right.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm cutting my losses.

[Brian Bishop]

So let's. Let me weigh this out. Benefit to me versus you being pissed off and frustrated. I think I'm better off with you being pissed off and frustrated. That seems if you look at the mark of the loser, it's. There are a lot of people that are fine. Like half of life for them is what can I get? But the other half is how much can I, how can I trip you up? How can I fuck you up? How can I passive aggressively throw this

[Adam Carolla]

back without you towards me as opposed to drag myself up?

[Brian Bishop]

Yes. Yeah, yeah. It's an interesting concept. It's that. No, it's like why? It's why Ray likes to yell at the guy with the newspaper. I know you're listening now. Wake up. Listen, look over here. Why does he get to do it? Well, the guy with the newspaper is clearly more successful than Ray, but he has a newspaper. Well, and it was from that day, which is very rare for Ray. No, he's wearing it, he's looking dapper. Ray's not. But the Ray for that little exchange gets to be the boss. Yeah, that guy's the boss when he flies back to LA because he has a company with 500 employees. One little interaction, guess who's in charge. And there's not a fucking thing that guy can do about it.

[Adam Carolla]

Right?

[Brian Bishop]

And so feels good. My point is, is if you are satiated by that, then that's what makes you a loser. Because everyone else, that guy goes home and goes, I got to figure out a way to grow this company 10% this time next year. Ray goes home and goes, shows that guy. That's right. By hitting that all fucked, by the way. If you want to hear all that arguing firsthand, tune in to Ace on the house this Saturday. Aceontheroof.com so much.

[Jeff Abraham]

Yeah, it's good, really good.

[Gina Grad]

Speaking of home improvement, can I ask a question slash era grievance? I just moved to the South Bay and beautiful place, beautiful view. The view is the whole reason to do it. It's a lovely way of life down there. However, the management company forced us to move in before we were ready. They said that the policy is you've got to move in two weeks from this start date. So we've been paying double rent and it's been a whole thing. In their rush to force us to move in, they didn't do shit to make sure the place was move in ready. I used the garbage disposal last night and the whole kitchen flooded. There's paint chips everywhere. At what point does that responsibility fall back on them? And do you think I should say Something, or should I be afraid of them?

[Brian Bishop]

These guys manage the building.

[Gina Grad]

Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

Thank you. I think you can.

[Gina Grad]

As long as we've asked several times.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, here's the thing, which is, you know, they do the might makes right, but as long as you got a check and it's supposed to be going to them, that gives you a certain degree of power. Now, on the other hand, they have a cleaning deposit or whatever, and that gives them a certain degree, you never see that. Of power.

[Adam Carolla]

Have you ever gotten a cleaning deposit back?

[Gina Grad]

Not the whole time.

[Adam Carolla]

I never have. In all my years of renting and leaving places and never gotten a cleaning

[Brian Bishop]

closet back, I used to have this. I'd always have horrible, irresponsible, piece of shit roommates. And when the day came to walk the place with the realtor or with the landlord, they'd all be gone and I'd have to sit there and kind of take it for the team. I had.

[Adam Carolla]

And my first apartment door jam.

[Crispin Glover]

There.

[Brian Bishop]

I had my first apartment. The guy, Jim, who owned the place. Not saying he was gay, I'm just saying he was 51 and had a full set of braces. Just what I like to call people. He just looked. He walked the place, he looked around, he looked at me, he looked at the carpet, and he said, I've been doing this for 27 years. I own 11 buildings. I've never seen one this bad.

[Gina Grad]

Oh, God.

[Brian Bishop]

I thought, I'm guessing that doesn't mean I get the full amount at that point.

[Adam Carolla]

Money well spent, right?

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, I would also.

[Adam Carolla]

Sorry to interrupt, but you know, as a landlord yourself, formerly or maybe currently, the laws in California really favor the renter. So if you wanted to make a stink, like overly favor. So if you wanted to, depending how big a stink you wanted to raise, you'd probably have the longer side.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, I would say, look, here's how much the disposal costs, and here's how much the paint job costs, and here's how much the whatever costs. And so we'll give you the receipts and we'll just back that out of the next rent.

[Gina Grad]

That's a good idea.

[Brian Bishop]

That's the way I would do it.

[Adam Carolla]

I think that's legally how it works, too.

[Brian Bishop]

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[Adam Carolla]

Come on.

[Brian Bishop]

So we ran into some trouble with Southwest. Oh yeah, Lots of switching around, equipment and planes. That's why Ray had so much time in the airport to. I do, by the way, have all the times that these emails were sent and all the different variations if you got timestamps to go through. And I could definitely do that with you.

[Gina Grad]

Gary's already.

[Brian Bishop]

I know. But I'll tell you the thing that, that did, it really fucked us up because we're getting out of there at 8:30 at night. Then at 6, Matt got an email, said the plane's been delayed a half hour. And as I always say, that's only the beginning. How do you eat a Buick? You grind it up and you feed it to the suckers 1 teaspoon at a time, right over the cereal every morning. And eventually you can eat a Buick. Four and a half years later, you'll eat a Buick. Whenever the flight's delayed. If they tell you it's three hours, everyone fucking spins out. So they'll give you a half hour,

[Adam Carolla]

20 minutes of time, then they'll give

[Brian Bishop]

you an update, and then they'll give you an update. Well, we went at 6 o', clock, we went to a half hour delay and at seven the plane wasn't leaving until 10:50. So now we're getting, ooh, three and a half, about two and a half hours at that point. SUVs to be had and they were trying to rent cars. And we're also thinking we're flying into Burbank at midnight. When's that ever happen? They got restrictions, Blah, blah, blah. I don't know, we don't know. And Southwest, pretty good airline. I mean, you get what you pay for, but they do a nice job for what you pay for. And they did do something that pissed me off though. So we're at a club and everyone's half in the bag and we're having drinks, we're having a good time. And now everyone has to scramble into this, sober up, find an suv, find. How we getting home tonight? We might not be getting home. We just got the thing that says we're leaving at 11 o' clock for McCarran. That doesn't sound like we're getting home tonight.

[Adam Carolla]

So the option is now possibly to rent a car and I'll drive home.

[Brian Bishop]

Can't rent any. There's six people. We can't rent any SUVs or vans or anything. And I then say to Matt, call Southwest. So he calls Southwest. And Southwest does something which is considerate. They pick up the phone, automated, I'm guessing, and they go, look, we're pretty slammed right now, but when we get unslammed, instead of you being on hold for half an hour, we'll then call you back.

[Gina Grad]

I like that.

[Brian Bishop]

Feels good, right? Makes sense.

[Adam Carolla]

You have to sit on hold, hear the horrible music and all that stuff, hold the phone up your ear for

[Brian Bishop]

half an hour or whatever. And we're in a club, the fucking Prince. Pulsating. And what do you play? What was the. Was the two songs? I feel this is a true question. I do not recognize any Prince music. I've never heard of this artist. It was two Red Hot Chili Pepper songs. Yeah, they did a Prince one too. Four songs. They played two fucking Red Hot Chili Pepper songs, which they suck. Adam literally threw a napkin at me and Matt, who were having a conversation three seats over from Adam. We looked at him and he just started screaming about the Red Hot Chili Pepper.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, is Gary's mic on? It sounds like he's echoing muffled. It's extremely quiet.

[Brian Bishop]

I'll turn up a little bit here. Do we need two out of four? Maximum five songs? Do we need two Red Hot Chili Pepper songs? I. I'm just saying with it, I was like, we don't have eight songs to select from. We have 800 million songs to select from.

[Adam Carolla]

Almost an infinite number.

[Brian Bishop]

Why are we hearing two from a mediocre to bad band in the first four songs?

[Adam Carolla]

Is this in the bar or just the hold music? I missed that.

[Brian Bishop]

This is hold music. Fuck it.

[Gina Grad]

That'd be great.

[Brian Bishop]

Are you seriously asking that question? Good. Okay now because they're calling you back. No, they're pumping the jams. We can't hear anything. And so they say, well, we'll call you back when things free up. Which I like. But now poor Matt has to just stand where you just hear the thumping pulsating down the hall next to the bathroom thing with the thump and the pulsate and they're pumping in the sound with the speakers and it's. They're doing fucking mix ups. They're taking like Eagle songs and mixing them and stuff. And it's just. It's all shit. It's all horrible. It's all Fucking annoying. And he's got his one hand mashed in his ear so he can hear what the fuck's going on. But at a certain point, I don't know, was it 20 minutes later, Southwest calls back. They called me back. Yeah, 15, 20 minutes later. And put him on hold for half an hour, completely fucking nullifying whatever this plan was for you guys in this very convenient plan of. We'll call you back so you'll. When we're ready.

[Gina Grad]

That's a power move.

[Brian Bishop]

That was a good 20 minutes. That was brutal. That was brutal. Or Matt had to just stand by the bathroom door at the hall.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, he was in heaven being told

[Gina Grad]

how important your call is to us.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

To a Vegas bathroom.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. And then we found out that the flight was going to leave at 10:10. And we're getting new equipment and blah, blah, blah. And then something was coming in from Oakland and something was coming in from Burbank. But anyway, so what time did you get home? We flew out a little after 11. Right. If I may, the other part of this is once we were at the airport, they did, at a certain part, start loading the plane that we were gonna get on. But we were kind of toward the end of the boarding group. And then they just made an announcement. They took that plane out. So they made everyone get off the plane. And then we all had to wait for, essentially, another plane to land to take us home. Finally, I didn't get home till after one. I have this conversation every single time I'm on a Southwest flight, but almost every single time I'm on any flight, which is this, we sit there on those airport lounge chairs across from the dapper guy reading. Reading the Wall Street Journal. We just sit there and we. We watched 80 people just stand in line. And they stood in line for an hour and 20 minutes, just. They stood there just standing there. Because the one plane they loaded, the A group, and we're like, B35 through B41. So the whole A group got on the plane, and then we had, like, 35B groupers. And they're all just lined up. They're all just standing there. And I do what I do every single time, which is. I go, we have a piece of paper. Yes. It has a number on it, right? Yes. I can walk up at any time and just say to anyone, what do you got? And they go, B36. I go, I got B35. And I'll just walk right in front of you and get on the plane. Why are we standing, lining up there's a. There's a sea of comfortable lounge chairs that are just sitting there. And then everyone is just literally standing. Like, why are we this stupid? I know it's a superstitious, like, hey, I'm getting this plane faster if I go do this thing that has nothing to do with getting on this plane

[Adam Carolla]

faster, but feels like you're getting on faster.

[Brian Bishop]

I know they'll say like a group lineup or whatever, and the first 20 people should. But people stood in line forever. I mean, it was well over an hour. Eventually they started dropping off, but all we did was sit and watch Ray make fun of women around us. That did make the wait not so bad, actually. It was kind of funny. And then we watched everyone get off of one plane and then walk over to the other plane. And then they stood in line for another half hour waiting to get on that plane. And I'm. And I said for maybe the third time, you guys all got a piece of paper with a number on it. Yep. It's got a letter in front of it. Yep.

[Adam Carolla]

Your exact space in line.

[Brian Bishop]

Let's all just sit here until that number comes up. Here's a worst case scenario. You got B36 and you don't get on until B38. Oh, the horror, the humanity. That's about. That's my worst case scenario.

[Gina Grad]

Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, that's it. And what actually ended up happening is I ended up walking up and like B22, and the guy went, oh, you're 36. And then he went, oh, you're Adam Corolla. And I said, yep. And then he said, oh. And I said, no, listen, you go, I'm not better than you are. And then I paused and I said, well, actually I am. And then I got on and he had a laugh. And I got on the plane.

[Adam Carolla]

Using that rapier wit to get on the plane early.

[Brian Bishop]

That's right. Yeah. Speaking of rape ear, did Ray put his dick in anyone's ear while we were.

[Crispin Glover]

No.

[Brian Bishop]

But he did show us all a picture of his dick in the limo. Oh, he refused to look at it.

[Adam Carolla]

I like that he had it handy.

[Gina Grad]

He's a gentleman. And that he didn't show you live.

[Brian Bishop]

He was angry. He was screaming at Adam. Come on, look at it. Adam had his hands up, blocking his eyes.

[Adam Carolla]

Adam could draw it from memory.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. No, I closed my. Forget it. Closed my eyes. I can taste it.

[Gina Grad]

He knows what it sounds like.

[Brian Bishop]

The picture he was showing us was of somebody else's toothbrush, which apparently he had gone to someone's house. Used the bathroom, then taken a picture of himself imitating pissing on the toothbrush with his dick in the picture and texted it to them the next day to fuck with them. Yeah, well, there goes the political career. By the way, just in case he was thinking about it.

[Adam Carolla]

Good luck now.

[Brian Bishop]

All right. Stamps.com. all right. Did we have a phone call there or was I making that up? He dropped off. He dropped off. All right, one quick observation. And Matt. See, am I missing anything? Gary, am I missing anything? That pretty much covers it.

[Gina Grad]

Tales of Rey.

[Brian Bishop]

It was a very, very short trip, but as you could tell, a lot happened in a very short period of time. It was very eventful. There was a bit of confusion as to where we were dropped off by the limo and where we were met, but that's right on schedule. There is always.

[Gina Grad]

That happens every time.

[Brian Bishop]

There's always again in the. I can't figure out human beings, even when they seem to want something, how they don't really want it. Like, I'm always insanely moved in a very negative way by every single time we play a theater. I play a theater, do stand up or what have you. And the show starts at 8 and it's 7:58. And Mike has to call the guy. And then the guy's like, oh, yeah, I'm upstairs. Where are you? I'm like, we're standing by the side door in the back parking lot. Oh, okay. So you're here. The show starts in 81 seconds. You own the theater. It's sold out. Why are you not pacing around in the parking lot? Why is there not. Why is there not a cone where our car should go? And as I always say, not you peon, just send the $9. And by the way, that guy, you go 7:30, you stand there.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, hang out. He'll be here in the next 20 minutes.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, bring some sunflower seeds with you because it could be half an hour. But just stand there. And then the second they pull up, call me. Like, oh, it's like this weird, like, huh? And when you get dropped off at the convention center with the limo, the guys who are supposed to let you in are like, oh, no, we're at the front of this 2 million square foot footprint. Oh, you guys come around the back like, well, first off, we're not going anywhere other than where you told the guy to drop us off. But he has a cell phone. You have a cell phone. Oh, well, we're all. It takes about 20 minutes, but give us 20. We're walking across. It's a long walk. You do want us to show up, do you not?

[Adam Carolla]

The goal is the same for everyone.

[Brian Bishop]

There's an airport, there's a landing time. There's a phone call that can be made by the guy who's driving. The thing with the ostrich skin, which is the limo, which ostrich skin is the most uncomfortable thing to put your ass on. I don't know.

[Gina Grad]

I don't know that I've ever experienced things.

[Adam Carolla]

Or do I just undo.

[Brian Bishop]

Picture ostrich skin boots, like cowboy boots. You ever seen that with you?

[Adam Carolla]

I guess so. Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

They're dimply y. They're like almost cactusy. They're not. It's classy, but it's not fun. It's not nice to see luxurious. Well, it's supple, it's expensive and that.

[Adam Carolla]

It's.

[Brian Bishop]

It's exotic, but it's not comfortable when you're sitting. It's not. You wouldn't want to ostrich.

[Adam Carolla]

It's for show, not for.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, I guess what I'm saying is no one would want a sofa in their den made of ostrich skin. But limos, because they're classy, have super uncomfortable things to sit on. But I don't know why when the guy picks us up at the airport with the misspelled name that he doesn't call the guy he works for and goes, I'm heading for the convention center and I'm planning on dropping him off at loading dock C. Or like, how does he even know? And then how come they don't know? And again, the insane sort of casualness

[Adam Carolla]

that and the promise of the cell phone. You know, 20 years ago, this would have been would have all.

[Brian Bishop]

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[Gina Grad]

If the listing says heated pool, but

[Brian Bishop]

there's actually no pool to heat. Definitely a verbo care thing.

[Gina Grad]

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[Brian Bishop]

instead of mom, that's a family thing, Leslie.

[Gina Grad]

That makes sense. Sorry.

[Brian Bishop]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[Brian Bishop]

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[Brian Bishop]

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[Brian Bishop]

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[Crispin Glover]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[Brian Bishop]

I feel like our lethargy has overtaken the promise. Overtaken.

[Gina Grad]

I feel like the name being misspelled was a nice tip off that things weren't going to go super smooth.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, as I've said many times, people, whether it's pool cleaners, whether it's gardeners, landscape guys, for the most part, whether it's guys who hang drywall or guys who do anything with cars, valet cars, drive cars, do anything with cars, it's not because they have an interest in this as a profession. It's that they don't have any money. They have to do something. They're dumb as a fucking stump and this is where they land. That's usually how they got there. Where? You do know why? Yeah, I almost withheld my tip from the guy at the Burbank airport. I had my seat jacked all the way up, but he told me he wasn't the guy who picked up my car.

[Adam Carolla]

Ah, the seat. Yeah, the guy, the driver in.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. They pull the seat all the way up, then they see the six two dude walking at it. They don't even think, why don't I just put it back to where it was?

[Adam Carolla]

You know what you could do? And this is not you, so I don't think you would do it. But because it's for the business, maybe you consider it. You know, it's. It's not weather that rounded your flight for two hours. It's kind of Southwest's fault. It's equipment failure. So you could. Matt could call up Southwest. Okay, we were inconvenienced, we need some refund, blah, blah, blah. And they'll give you a credit towards a new flight. And again, this is not something you would do. But because it's for the business, they could go towards future flights for staff or crew or whatever. They're pretty good about that. If it is their fault, and it

[Brian Bishop]

sounds like it was, I am philosophical in that. And we never want to get to this place in life. This place where you go in your bathroom, you turn on the hot water, you put your hand there and you're like, ugh. Takes so long for the hot water. It's like, you know, you don't get it. You get endless clean hot water pouring over Your body. And yes, you have to wait a 25 Mississippi until it gets to. You could fly anywhere for $69. They have 500 flights a day. We're in and out. We're back and forth. You can't just go, here's the negative part. And I want to focus on it. And here's the. And I'll completely forget about the positive. Like, you really have to be philosophical. Six guys can get to Vegas and back on the Same day for 80 bucks. And these things are also. Let's not take everything for granted. These are complicated machines. We're asked to go 500 miles in an hour and make it across the desert in 43 minutes. This shit can go wrong. Like, I'm all right with that as long as it's not volitional.

[Gina Grad]

Right? That makes sense. And I think the phrase that I'm so sick of hearing that I hope 2016 we can get rid of is the indignant. You gotta make this right. You have to make this. Yeah, exactly. Like, shut up.

[Brian Bishop]

No, it falls under the heading of, if somebody said to anybody in any point in history, could you imagine going back and forth and back and forth in 45 minutes or an hour to the Bay Area, whatever. And then one out of every 27 of those trips would be delayed two hours. When people are used to dying along those trails, I think they take that deal.

[Adam Carolla]

Father Juniper O. Serra would have been down with that.

[Brian Bishop]

That's right. Anybody in the downer part.

[Adam Carolla]

Can I tell you that I actually had a plumber in my house today, and I was explaining to him how it takes too long for my water to get hot. And can we do, like, a recirculating pump or an inline water heater? But you remember the layout of my house. I don't know if you do or not, but the water heaters. I brought this up before to, like, you and Ray when he was in here. The water heater's in the garage and the showers on this side of the house. And it does take about two or three minutes for the water to get on. It's wasting. And we're like, can we do something about this? But it was funny that you brought that up and had the exact conversation today.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, if they have a device, it's a recirculating.

[Adam Carolla]

Can the water be softer?

[Brian Bishop]

They have a recirculating pump and they can do it.

[Adam Carolla]

That's what we're going to do.

[Brian Bishop]

And it makes sense because it saves your money and it saves the environment. And the technology exists. All right, we'll bring. Get Jeff up there and I'll tell you guys about blue apron. Mmm. Learning to cook at home. Blue apron. I was supposed to do this when Russell Simmons was here. I didn't have to always talk about shrimp scampi and three cheese calzones and seared cod over date vinaigrette. It sounds so yummy to me, but I didn't think he'd be happy with it.

[Adam Carolla]

They do have vegetarian options. Like, if you're a vegetarian, you sign up, you can absolutely go for the vegetarian menu. I know it's vegan and everything, but they have a full they common to almost everyone.

[Brian Bishop]

Less than 10 bucks per meal and 500 to 700 calories per portion per serving. We do them all the time over at my house. Prepared in 40 minutes or less. No trips to the grocery store and just much better than it needs to be. That's what I would say. Surprisingly. How good? You'd think they'd skimp a little on the quality. Right now. Get the first two meals [e-mail] Adam that's blueapron.com Adam. I do mean when you try this in the pantheon of things you're disappointed by versus pleasantly surprised, this will fall under pleasantly expectations. Yes. Blueapron.com Adam. Jeff Abraham in studio. Promescent is his product. Is our product. How are you doing, Jeff?

[Jeff Abraham]

Excellent. How about you?

[Brian Bishop]

You just fly in from McCarran last night? Okay, Last night. Wait a minute.

[Gina Grad]

Hey, quick question. Did you take Southwest?

[Jeff Abraham]

Yes, I did. Oh, I was listening to your story. It rings so true.

[Brian Bishop]

What flight were you on?

[Jeff Abraham]

I was on the 5 o'. Clock, I think 4 o'. Clock. 5 o' clock flight?

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. I doomed us because I called Matt earlier in the day and went, is there a flight ahead of our flight that we could hop on, get us out a little bit earlier? And it was just too early and it was just our last flight. So you were on time and everything.

[Jeff Abraham]

I was on time. And you know when you said about people jump up and they get in line and they wait for an hour? I observed that, and it never fails to just amaze me. But how about when the plane lands and it's not even completely stopped and everybody jumps up and there's 15 minutes until you get to get off of the plane, but everyone has to jump up, get their stuff off the overhead container and be standing there poised to go absolutely nowhere for 15 minutes?

[Brian Bishop]

Well, I had the opposite of that experience getting off the plane in Vegas. Gary will back me up on this. Speaking of cocktalk, Ron Jeremy. Ron Jeremy's a guy, veteran porn star. I consider him a friend. But Ron has a couple things working against him. Ron is one of these guys and it's not fair for guys to do this to other guys. They grow their hair out real long. Sometimes they put a lot of product and things in it. Sometimes they put a lot of dye and product and things. Possibly a spoonful of semen. It helps the medicine go down.

[Adam Carolla]

Sure, like the old song.

[Brian Bishop]

Then they insist on like hugging it out all the time. And I can't tell you, like after shows, when the long haired guys, hey, arms around each other, it's like your inner forearm is all over the back of their greasy long. And you're probably old enough to have a shorter haircut. But anyway, Ron's got a little musk, the kind you'd imagine a man.

[Adam Carolla]

A manly musk.

[Brian Bishop]

A manly musk.

[Adam Carolla]

Lets you know he's there. Lets you know he's coming.

[Brian Bishop]

And also, Jeff, this will ring true for you. Ron's a Jewish fella and thus he's chatty. Oh, yeah, he'll talk for a while.

[Adam Carolla]

Does some jokes, Chambers.

[Brian Bishop]

Yes, he does. And when we were getting on, getting into the airport in Vegas, sorry, in Burbank, I saw Ron ahead of us and I thought, now you guys tell me, I like Ron, so I'm speaking openly. But you guys know this thing where it's like your phone rings and it's somebody you like, but you're just not in the mood right now.

[Gina Grad]

Absolutely.

[Brian Bishop]

I've had that happen. There's guys I like, they call and I go, I'll call them back. But right now it's not that I'm personal, I'm not in the shower. Although we've eliminated that. Yeah, it's not that I'm doing something, it's just, I'm just not in it. I don't feel like I'm not feeling it right now. So we see Ron going, getting into the airport at Burbank, and I tell Mike, like, slow your roll a little, like, let him get ahead of us. And then he turns left and we turn right. So I'm like, all right, he's over. And then at a certain point, we get onto the Southwest flight and we're just sitting there and Mike looks at me and goes, well, guess we dodge that bull. And I don't know where he's going. And I'm going, well, he's got to be going to Vegas, right? And it's like, well, I don't know. He's not going to Salt Lake City, is he? He's fucking burned as a heretic over there.

[Jeff Abraham]

Right.

[Brian Bishop]

And he said, I guess not. And then at a certain point after we landed at McCarran, I looked up four rows and I said, oh, oh, my God. Ron's sitting there. And now I done what I've done. Tell me if you guys have done this. I've made a commitment to something I shouldn't have made a commitment to.

[Adam Carolla]

Avoiding Ron.

[Brian Bishop]

Yes. Like, I just went, oh, this is my plan now. And I can't have my caper. I'm, like, in the middle of my caper. Even though it shouldn't have been a caper at that point. It should have just been like, oh, well, he's here. I'll say hi to him.

[Adam Carolla]

You're in too deep.

[Brian Bishop]

I'm in too deep. And I made some weird commitment to not say hi to Ron Jeremy that day. And, Gary, you tell me if there's any hyperbole. Haven't heard any so far. So I say, okay, good. This is the beauty of the cell phone. You can literally just stare at you. Put it in your lap and just stare at your balls and just pretend like you're doing something. You used to have to do it with a newspaper, kind of rattle it a little bit. Yeah. But now you can literally can just stare. And we. Mike August and I just sat in our seats, and everybody on the plane. D plane, except for Ron Jeremy.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, is he flying through?

[Brian Bishop]

He was five rows ahead of you, and he got up, but he wasn't going anywhere. The hedgehog was sitting right behind Matt the whole flight, which I was getting a laugh out of, and he wasn't. He just wasn't going anywhere. And at a certain point, they got on the blower and said, look, it's time to get off the plane. And I was like, I'm committed to sitting here. You want to know how intently Adam was staring at his cell phone? This is probably the first time this has ever happened. I texted Adam, which Adam receives texts. And I told him, me and Matt are headed down to baggage claim. We're gonna find the guy with your misspelled name. Adam texted me back. That's probably never happened. Immediately, he said, okay, good. Do that. Ron won't get off the plane.

[Adam Carolla]

How are things in your world? What's new? How are you feeling these days?

[Brian Bishop]

No, Ron did not turn around.

[Jeff Abraham]

He hasn't turned around.

[Stephen Mitchell]

He's just.

[Brian Bishop]

He's just literally staying there until everybody gets off the plane. Then at a certain point, he got up. He walked about 10ft down to the middle of the airplane, stopped, and turned around like back dirt, in which case I had to bury my head. Part of still me and Mike August were the lone. I told Mike, like, stand up, get busy. So it doesn't look suspicious, but I'll just keep sitting here. And then they got on the squawk box again and said, we need to get off of the plane. All right.

[Adam Carolla]

How did this resolve itself?

[Brian Bishop]

I literally just sat there and waited.

[Adam Carolla]

That's a messed up sandwich.

[Brian Bishop]

And Ron ran out of things to do now that he was standing up.

[Gina Grad]

But why did he do that?

[Brian Bishop]

Well, there's a lot of theories that were bandied about in the ostrich cover,

[Adam Carolla]

the Rowan Gundam theory. There's all sorts of.

[Brian Bishop]

In the limo, but the popular one seems to be that the super hedgehog fan who was standing and facing him from the aisle in front of him looking back at me, may have said, oh, hey, looks like Corolla's behind you a few aisles. And maybe he was just sort of being casual about it. That weird slow move that you do when you want to run into, like. You ever do that thing with a hot chick?

[Adam Carolla]

I mean, no.

[Brian Bishop]

I mean, she's walking one way. You're walking, you start slowing your walk a little bit so you can kind of dovetail.

[Stephen Mitchell]

That is a good idea.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, that's.

[Jeff Abraham]

I've met him, and he has a sense of humor. When you first start telling us. I was gonna say he could have been fuck with you, just waiting for you to have to go up there. He's clever.

[Brian Bishop]

He's. Look, it's a weird. It's a weird thing, but he's like the only Jew in porn. And he's the gregarious, funny, talkative, but

[Adam Carolla]

again, he's the clown prince of porn.

[Brian Bishop]

It's one of these things where you have to be in the right mood. It was like, I was tired. I just want to get to this convention thing. I want to. And again, look, sorry, but if you're gonna do the super long hair and you. Last time I met him, he was back here, and I said, oh, hey, Ron. And he said, hey, doin. I reached out to shake his hand. He goes, we don't shake. We hug. And he brought it in, and my hands had to go around the weird.

[Jeff Abraham]

You know, where he's been.

[Brian Bishop]

Long hair. Yeah, Yeah. I. I argue with guys. If you're gonna wear the hair, you know, mid waist, then you don't get the hugs.

[Adam Carolla]

No.

[Gina Grad]

Oh, yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

And it's like if you're gonna get, if you're gonna do the sweaty palms, you're gonna get the sweaty odds. Like it's, it's. Yeah.

[Gina Grad]

Well, speaking of Ron for the casual greeting, does he kiss your neck as well?

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, he kissed your neck.

[Gina Grad]

He's, I think three times we met. That doesn't happen to you?

[Brian Bishop]

No, not so much.

[Gina Grad]

All right, well, my theory, because I think he was sleeping. I think he might have fallen asleep for a few minutes when he was here last time. Maybe he fell asleep. Was he conscious on the plane?

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, yeah, no, there's. There's a guy standing there talking the whole thing, talking his ear off. But even the super fan got bored at a certain point and had to deplane because they were pushing everyone off the plane. And then I had to do this thing where I was like, I'm so engrossed with my Angry Birds app that I can't.

[Adam Carolla]

Can't give you that.

[Brian Bishop]

Or I'm so comfortable on this Southwest flight that I never. When it's like being held in my mother's arms, I never went.

[Jeff Abraham]

I met him at 3 o' clock in the morning at the Green Valley Ranch, having, I don't call it breakfast in a Chinese restaurant.

[Brian Bishop]

Where is it? Oh, it's at a.

[Jeff Abraham]

It's one of the neighborhood casinos. It's about 10 miles off the strip. And he was sitting there with a friend. This was about three, four years ago.

[Adam Carolla]

It's like a five diamond place. And it's a nice place.

[Jeff Abraham]

Yeah, the Station Casino owns that and the Red Rock, those kind of places. And I don't know how, but we start talking about sports and the guy's really engaging, really comfortable. I made some comment about that after I met him. There was a God and he looks at me and goes, what do you mean? I said, because, you know, no offense, but I said, looking at your lack of height and, you know, your physical attributes. I said, there's a God because he gave you that 10 inch cock. He started dying, laughing, and it was like. He was a really engaging, fun guy.

[Brian Bishop]

I am. Look, this is not an indictment of Ron Jeremy by any stretch of the imagination.

[Adam Carolla]

Really nice guy, he seems friendly, likes you.

[Brian Bishop]

He's great. I just, it was one of those. I was coming to a Ron Jeremy fork in the road. I turned right and now I was committed to going down that trail. And for some reason, and I'm sure a million people, I'm sure that Peter north has done that with me many times, many Times.

[Jeff Abraham]

Have you been out in public with him?

[Brian Bishop]

Well, that's a weird thing because you're sort of saying if you go, hey man, you're basically going, I beat off a ton in front of my computer.

[Jeff Abraham]

When we walked out of this restaurant in Green Valley, it was crowded. He was like a rock star. People were flocking to him. I mean, 18, 20, 25 year old people, older, 60, 70 year old people. I was shocked.

[Adam Carolla]

His life outside of porn must be surreally awesome. Like, people just come up. I imagine most people that come up to him are super friendly and like, hey man, can I get a picture and all that stuff.

[Crispin Glover]

Absolutely.

[Adam Carolla]

I have to imagine that's how 90% of his interactions are offset.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. Well then. And then also then how does the personal relationships work? Like when he gets a.

[Adam Carolla]

You have to ask him.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, yeah, next time you see him on an airplane, he has a girlfriend and he bangs her and he's like, like, look, I'm in a good mood. That's $80. Well, I am a professional. And by the way, as you asked Mike August, once, your quote goes down too much, you know, I hope he's using promescent. That's all I want to say, because couldn't hurt. Now, guys, they had a very short refractory period. In your 20s. What is it when you're in your 20s, Jeff?

[Jeff Abraham]

In your 20s, the refractory period is generally 10 minutes, 15 minutes. Men literally don't really worry about PE as much because they're like, Hey, I can go three, four times in an evening. So it's really not that big of a deal. And there's a lot of men, you know, you saw the movie what About Mary? Where you know, Ben Stiller decides to jerk off prior to his date just in case he gets some action. He wants to last longer. That's where the hair gel thing comes from. And so the refractory period, as you get older and, you know, being 58 years old, I can speak from experience, is there's a lot of times where you're good for one shot an evening, and then you have to have dinner, you know, go to bed, sleep, and wake up the next day before you're good to go again. Yeah. So you're literally going, I get one time an evening, and I gotta make it memorable. So that's the refractory period as you get older. And most men, and some men, even when they're younger, don't have the ability to do it, you know, multiple times. But there's very few people that when they're in their 40s or 50s, they can go two, three times in an evening.

[Brian Bishop]

It's a weird wiring for dudes and for chicks in the sense that we don't normally have this kind of range for other facets of our anatomy and wiring. Well, what I'm saying is if a guy is 6 foot 2, he's probably going to have 84 inch arm span or something. And that'll hold true for 90% of guys. Every once in a while you run into jon Jones, the UFC fighters. I mean, six, five, it has a 95 inch, you know, but for the most part it's like this.

[Adam Carolla]

It's related.

[Jeff Abraham]

Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

I know guys who would go to strip clubs and come in their pants three times on a lap dance wearing like sweatpants. And I would like go, how's that possible? Like, hey, man. You know? And it's like it's blessed sounds hashtag blessed sounds basically impossible for everybody else. But then there's three dudes I know and that.

[Gina Grad]

Is that the guy we're aspiring to be. The guy who comes in his pants three times at a strip club.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, I would argue that he's probably getting, pardon the pun, more bang for his strip club buck.

[Gina Grad]

Got it.

[Brian Bishop]

The rest of us aren't enjoying ourselves.

[Adam Carolla]

Suckers.

[Jeff Abraham]

He's pretty cost effective in his orgasms.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. As much as. Yeah, he. He's handled that cover charge. I'll take your two drink minimum and make it a three jizz minimum. How about that?

[Adam Carolla]

$10 coverage.

[Crispin Glover]

I know what it is.

[Adam Carolla]

Happy to pay it.

[Brian Bishop]

The website is promescent.com and it's basically, you know, you can get it over the counter and you can get it on Amazon and yes.

[Adam Carolla]

Brian, do you ever hear from any. Do any porn stars ever use Promescent? I imagine that would be valuable in their line of work.

[Jeff Abraham]

We do some couple porn stars, we have some musicians, we have a couple actors, a medical product. You can't really, you know, publicly lay

[Brian Bishop]

their name out somebody. No, no, no, no.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm just saying, is this something that porn stars will find valuable?

[Brian Bishop]

Absolutely.

[Gina Grad]

Well, you can't. But if you write it down and

[Jeff Abraham]

tell me, I can tell you. Yeah, but it's amazing because every once in a while you'll see a name and you go, well, that must just be the same name. So then you click the address and you go, wait a second, that's the same address. And then you look and you go, oh, that is exactly who that is. But there are professional athletes, there are musicians, there are Porn stars. It's a pretty wide range of people who use the product.

[Brian Bishop]

It's the first FDA approved medication for premature ejaculation, which is a lot bigger. And I'm part of this company as well. And it's all for a good cause because it's based on the early demise. You guys know the story of Jeff's old partner and that tragedy and all that kind of stuff, but it's actually a real product, a real good product. And if you go to Amazon, read the reviews, I mean, look, whether you're putting it in your mouth or rubbing it on your dick, or rubbing it on your dick and then putting it in your mouth. And what I'm saying is we were just traveling and we were like, trying to find Polish food. And I was like, they got a Polish place and it's in Queens and we have no idea what this is. But read the reviews. Just read the reviews. And if it's getting four out of five stars, then we're on the road to the Polish joint. And so we were. So. So what you should do is go to Amazon and go read the permeescent reviews.

[Jeff Abraham]

We are starting to grow rapidly right now, Exponentially. And it is because it's word of mouth. We don't have a big advertising budget. We're not Pfizer with a $200 million advertising budget. I joke and tell people we're 199,900,000 short of that $200 million advertising budget. But we're in play now. We're in discussions with some very large companies about acquisition, and it's because the efficacy of the product works. And the amazing part is, even now, even though we've been focused on the PE market, only about 30, 35% of people that use it would have PE. It's a recreational drug, just like Viagra, Salis, Levitra. You know, when they sell $8 billion a year. To think that that's all to people with ED is absurd. It's a social phenomenon. It's a recreational drug for better intimacy.

[Brian Bishop]

You don't eat it. That's the good news.

[Jeff Abraham]

Yeah, exactly.

[Brian Bishop]

Hey, Mark.

[Adam Carolla]

Sorry, I was trying to wave you.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, I saw you wave it, but

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know because the light just went away right before you pressed it.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

[Gina Grad]

I am curious, though, to the answer to Mark's question.

[Adam Carolla]

We should bring up this question on the air. You want to know how many showers you've taken this year after your pledge to. I don't know, is it Eliminate showers or minimize showering?

[Brian Bishop]

Well, I'll just put it to you in a form of question. How many Heisman trophies have you won?

[Adam Carolla]

Me, personally?

[Brian Bishop]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

So far, None.

[Brian Bishop]

Okay.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, that's the same answer so far.

[Jeff Abraham]

Like, there's still a possibility.

[Adam Carolla]

It's not impossible.

[Jeff Abraham]

That's true.

[Adam Carolla]

Is it impossible?

[Jeff Abraham]

Do you have college eligibility?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I have three years. I redshirted one year.

[Gina Grad]

Where are we with the whores bath, or are you just like.

[Brian Bishop]

No, I do. I do the sort of whores. I do the. I do the sink, clean the special parts, and run the water through my hair.

[Gina Grad]

But as far as sitting in that stall and doing the whole vibe, no,

[Brian Bishop]

I haven't been in a shower for a week before.

[Adam Carolla]

There's a tumbleweed going around. A shower just circles.

[Brian Bishop]

It was a week before the first, and I say a week could have been nine days before. So it's. It's been a while. And by the way, I'm proud to have taken a steam bath in that time period.

[Adam Carolla]

That's quite sweaty.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, it's pretty sweaty. It's one of these things.

[Adam Carolla]

It does get the impurities out, though. Steam bath is awesome. Like in the steam room, like in the sauna or whatever.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, yes and no. But, Gary, maybe you can figure this out. We were staying at the very first steam room. The very first steam room? Yeah. The very first venue we were staying at when we were on the road last weekend and up upstate New York, and. Well, this was in Long Island, I think. And they said, we got a whole spa downstairs, and the first thing out of mouth is always, you got steam room. Because the sauna's fine. A whirlpool's a little weird, but the steam room's good.

[Adam Carolla]

It's pretty. Have you ever been to steam rooms?

[Brian Bishop]

You know?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, it's pretty great.

[Gina Grad]

It doesn't freak you out that you're breathing in germs and shit? Is that not a thing?

[Brian Bishop]

No.

[Gina Grad]

Okay, great, then. Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

I look at it as clean. Whatever superheated.

[Adam Carolla]

It smells like cleaning.

[Jeff Abraham]

They have menthol in a lot of it.

[Brian Bishop]

Does it?

[Jeff Abraham]

Yeah, it does smells Menthol.

[Brian Bishop]

Place is called the Vienna Hotel and Spa. Oh. So I said. I called Mike. Oh. I said, we got up the next morning. Where are you? He's like, I'm down in the gym, down in the spa. And I go, good, I got a steam room. And he's like, yeah, they got a steam room. And I'm like, I'm going down there and taking the steam. He said, good. Came down there, sort of looked around like, where's the locker room? So like, well, it's just, I guess you just change in the bathroom. Come walking out, my towel, come into the, come into the steam room, open the steam door, and I come out and I'm looking through a big glass wall of a bunch of people just standing around. It's like a swim trunk. It's not a walk around in your. There's no place to go. There's no place to change. They should kind of give you a little heads up. But I don't go in a steam room wearing my bib overalls. I go in naked with a hell. But I'm opening the door, there's a big glass wall. There's a bunch of tourists, like, standing around. And now I've got to figure out change and how to get upstairs. And. Oh, boy, Promescent is the name of the product again. Go to Amazon and just read the reviews. That's all. That's all you have to do. And support our friend Jeff Abraham. Thanks, Jeff.

[Jeff Abraham]

I appreciate it. Thank you very much.

[Brian Bishop]

We'll take a quick break. Crispin Glover in studio.

[Jeff Abraham]

Next,

[Brian Bishop]

It's time to check Adam's voice. Voicemail. Hey, Adam, this is Quentin from Kansas City, the land of Gina grad.

[Crispin Glover]

You know those little baby on board

[Adam Carolla]

stickers people put on their windows?

[Brian Bishop]

I just passed a lady in a

[Crispin Glover]

red SUV with a therapy dog on board sticker.

[Brian Bishop]

You can leave us a message at 888-634-1744. Crispin Glover in studio. I was just looking at some of his credits.

[Adam Carolla]

Of course.

[Brian Bishop]

Remember Back to the Future and Charlie's Angels? I forgot about the Doors.

[Crispin Glover]

Yeah, I played Anti Warhol.

[Brian Bishop]

Forgot how much I enjoyed you. And that Crispin's got a new movie, Amy in a Cage, and it's available. Well, you can get it on Amazon and itunes and Video on Demand. But also he's gonna be doing a couple of screenings, right?

[Crispin Glover]

Well, that's. That's a different film. What you're talking about is a new movie that I acted in.

[Brian Bishop]

Right.

[Crispin Glover]

The things you're saying were accurate. And then March 18th and 19th, I believe I'll be at the Egyptian Theater with two different feature films I've been touring with for many years. When I was on your radio show, I think I was probably. I think that I was probably talking about that years ago. I've been. It's my 10th anniversary going back to the Egyptian theater with my, my first film. I'll be showing one night of my first Film Another night of my second film. And I performed live shows before them, which consists of eight different books. They're two different shows.

[Brian Bishop]

He's brought some books with him, and

[Crispin Glover]

they're profusely illustrated, and they are projected behind me as I dramatically narrate the books. Then I show the feature film, and then I have a Q and A after that, and then I have a book signing. I'll also be showing a preview of my new feature. It's my third feature film, which I just completed principal photography last year. I'm still editing, but I'm going to be sharing that it's a film that I was in development for many years for. My father's an actor, and he and I had never acted together before. And so it's a movie that. It's the first time he and I ever acted was in this movie.

[Brian Bishop]

How so? Where do you grow up?

[Crispin Glover]

I grew up pretty much in Los Angeles. I was born in New York and then we moved here because my father was getting more work as an actor here in Los Angeles than in New York City.

[Brian Bishop]

And your mother and father, did they get divorced at some point?

[Crispin Glover]

No, no, they're married. They live in west la. I know it's unusual in Los Angeles.

[Brian Bishop]

And the dad's an actor.

[Crispin Glover]

Yeah, and my mother retired as an actor and dancer. She was primarily a dancer when I was born, but. Yeah. So actors that stayed married for a

[Brian Bishop]

long time, it's unusual coming from all this artistry. But would you blow our minds and tell us you have a brother named Todd Glover who drives a Greyhound bus and has nothing to do with you?

[Crispin Glover]

No, I was raised as an only child, so.

[Brian Bishop]

Ah. Aha.

[Adam Carolla]

And I knew it.

[Brian Bishop]

And now you've always been, you know, eccentric, I guess, is what you'd say, but in a. Not. What I appreciate is it doesn't feel macabre or trumped up or bizarre for the sake of being bizarre.

[Crispin Glover]

Well, also, you know, I've never come out and said, I am eccentric. This is things that, you know, in media, they need a convenient way of describing something. And so that's. I don't mind that term because it's a mathematical term that's poetically used, but, you know, it means not following the straight line. Eccentric is to be on that straight line. So that.

[Brian Bishop]

That's.

[Crispin Glover]

That's fine. I like to go into areas of unusual elements in. In my own films. The way I distribute my films is an unusual way of distributing. It's eccentric.

[Brian Bishop]

Is it easier to do it now than it was when we saw you some years back.

[Crispin Glover]

Well, it had already started being good at that point. But there's no question the social media, the way Internet is working, it's. It is a different paradigm and a very positive paradigm. I look, I. I look. I like to look at, like, the kind of interviews that you do, and I look at things like Orson Welles being interviewed in the 70s, and, you know, had he been around right now, I think he would have had an easier time with the kind of things that he was doing because, you know, he needed to get funding and he needed to get distribution. And now you can kind of do that on your own. I mean, it's better if you can get other people to do those things, probably, but. But I've recouped on my movies. And I mean, the main way that I've recouped, though, really is by the live show. It's a big part of why I do the live show. I've not really recouped strictly by the box office, but that didn't matter. All I cared about was to make it so I could justify making more movies.

[Brian Bishop]

How is it working in the mainstream? Not with these projects, but do you go out and audition on a daily, weekly process?

[Crispin Glover]

It's very rare that I audition. And that's. I mean, I will. I have nothing against, but I like audition. I've actually always been. Had very good batting average with auditioning. It diminished severely when Back to the Future came out. Which sounds strange, but, you know, a long time ago when I was like 18, 19, I would go on auditions all the time. And it's very rare that I'd like to audition more. But no, usually films come in, like the movie that I'm in, Amy in a Cage, that was an offer and the guy just. He funded himself. We were talking about these unusual ways with money he made from bitcoin, and he'd never directed a movie before. And so like, you could tell on the set, it was like the first time. But he did something interesting. He won Best Director at the Portland Film Festival last year. So it's interesting how these things are coming about.

[Brian Bishop]

The trailer looks really interesting, and I've got to apologize. I got the advance vimeo of this a couple of days ago, but then we got into some Russell Simmons scheduling issues. And then I thought Crispin was coming in next week. And then we went to Vegas and our flight got delayed, so I ended up saying, well, I'll just watch it over the weekend. And then turns out Crispin got rescheduled, so. But the Trailer looked really interesting, and you looked really good. Eric did a wonderful job in it. And I'm sure if anyone is interested in something that's a little off the beaten path, yeah, they should go check out Amy in a cage. And again, it's available Amazon, itunes, and wherever else. So is the. Well, I shouldn't say what the goal is. Would you like to be doing a mixture of your own sort of boutique stuff and then mainstream stuff that was a little more, I don't know, commercial?

[Crispin Glover]

Well, you know, I started young as an actor. I got an agent when I was 13. I was not pushed into it by my parents, but I'd seen how the business worked. And I made the decision at a young age. As a business decision, I thought, oh, this is a good. I could see how the business basically seemed like a good business to be a part of. So I've actually always looked at it that way as just something to have a nice time making a living. So I feel successful. If I'm making a living doing that, it doesn't. I don't have to. I don't feel like I have to be making millions of dollars every year. As long as I'm making a living and doing things that I'm enjoying doing, which I have been, my biggest passion is making my own films.

[Brian Bishop]

Have you ever had a real job, so to speak? You know what I mean? I mean, not when you're 14, but I'm saying since you were 18.

[Crispin Glover]

I've been lucky. I've always made a living as an actor. I mowed lawns next door when I was a teenager.

[Brian Bishop]

But otherwise, literally, I don't know. How old are you now?

[Crispin Glover]

I can't believe how old. I mean, 50. I think I'll be 52 in April.

[Brian Bishop]

You look brand new. And you've strung together 33 years, essentially, of not being employed. I mean, in a conventional sense, being

[Crispin Glover]

employed in, you know, where does it

[Brian Bishop]

sit in the circus. I mean, in a way that's almost impossible.

[Crispin Glover]

You follow your bliss, you know, so you do something that you love to do, and then you don't feel like you're working, which is a great thing. I know you do.

[Brian Bishop]

It's a pretty good. I don't know statistically, but it's way less than 1% of folks that come out from the east coast of California decide to hang their shingle up as an actor and never have to have a bartending job or a waiting job.

[Crispin Glover]

Yeah, yeah. I definitely consider myself lucky. I mean, but I would assume anybody here making their Living, doing something like talking and entertaining would consider themselves lucky.

[Brian Bishop]

We do consider you lucky. I'm pretty pissed. My career, we don't do a lot of entertaining here.

[Crispin Glover]

Yeah, you've got to consider yourself lucky.

[Brian Bishop]

I do. But, you know, there's something about having. You know, the thing is, is the problem with the luck part is you want to wake up and discover it that day instead of do all the work that takes to get there, which you were present for. So then you kind of don't feel lucky.

[Crispin Glover]

I mean, no, I know, but if you, if you don't acknowledge that and, and then, and you feel like, no, no, it's been hard. I mean, of course it's work and all of that, but it's, I think, pretty clear that there are other jobs that would be much more difficult in terms of waking up and going, I've got to go do that. I'd much rather go and like, try to figure out how to make my film.

[Brian Bishop]

I'll tell you how you can feel lucky. Well, you already feel lucky. Here's how I can feel lucky.

[Adam Carolla]

Talk to you.

[Brian Bishop]

You're lucky to be here, brother.

[Adam Carolla]

Get down on a knee and talk to yourself.

[Brian Bishop]

I'll take a knee and say this. Look, if I was born 100 years ago or even 50 years before I was born, then there would not be any of this technology. It wouldn't exist. And then we could, thus couldn't even utilize it because it wasn't there. I mean, in a way, we're all lucky to be able to utilize whatever we're utilizing, whether it's vaccinations or clean water or podcast. You're lucky just to be here. I've always kind of philosophically said, although no one has ever given a shit, which is considering the sort of Earth's calendar and the amount of humanity that has come before us and has gone, and some of them are famous and some of them, most of them, we'll never heard of. And then the amount of people that are going to come after us, God willing. It is weird that the few that are on this planet at the very sort of blink of the eye, Earth's calendar time, that we are here on this planet together, are usually hell bent on either killing or raping each other because it's kind of a thing where you should be kind of passing people in the street going, it's crazy. It's kind of nice that we're here at the same time.

[Adam Carolla]

Kind of crazy, isn't it?

[Brian Bishop]

Because really, 100 years this way, or 40 years that way and we'd never cross paths ever. And that's cosmically sort of how it should be. So. So I know we're getting into this ethnic cleansing thing, but maybe we should sort of just take a moment. I don't wanna go all freak out and I don't wanna go all Burning man on your ass, but I'm sort of saying it is a very bizarre cosmic coincidence that we're just physically here now. Why do we have to hate the guy who lives across the street when it's just this incredible coincidence?

[Adam Carolla]

This is an incredible cosmic accident that

[Brian Bishop]

we're all here now. Yeah, now. Mind blown, Crispin.

[Crispin Glover]

No, I agree with you. It's good to be enjoying what's going on and not getting. I mean. And of course I get into arguments and things like that. I always regret it.

[Brian Bishop]

But it happens for you when it comes to the live shows. Are you looking to. When I do a live show, it's pretty easy. You gotta make people laugh. But when you do a live show, it's not a stand up show.

[Crispin Glover]

Well, the books. There is humor to it.

[Brian Bishop]

Right, but what is the goal in the sense that make people think, entertain them, make them laugh?

[Crispin Glover]

Well, definitely my first film. What is it? Most of the actors in the film have down syndrome. But the film is not about down syndrome at all. What it really is is my psychological reaction to the corporate constraints that have happened in the last 30 or more years of. Of corporately funded and distributed filmmaking, wherein anything that can possibly make an audience uncomfortable is necessarily excised or that film will not be corporately funded or distributed. This is a very damaging thing because it's that moment when an audience member sits back in their chair, looks up at the screen and thinks to themselves, is this right what I'm watching? Is this wrong, what I'm watching? Should I be here? Should the filmmaker have done this? What is it? That's the title of the film. What is it that's taboo in the culture? What does it mean when the taboo has been ubiquitously excised? I again think it's very damaging to remove the taboo because in the etymological term, meaning of the word education, meaning to learn from within, if you remove the possibility of people genuinely asking questions, it removes true education. What is the opposite of true education or the lack of true education? It's propaganda. And I do think that's what's happening in our corporately funded and distributed distributed film world right now. Although I see positive things happening

[Brian Bishop]

dealing

[Crispin Glover]

with what we were talking about. There Is something about the Internet that really is helping things, and I can feel it in the past 10 years. I started touring in 2005, and when I first started touring, particularly in the United States, people. I've had very strong reactions to the first film in particular. What is the it? People get angry, cry, scream, et cetera. It's a film that genuinely can cause people to get upset. But I see a difference in the way that people are dealing with it now. And I can tell it has a lot to do with the Internet also. When I would cross over borders, like even Canada, but. Or Europe, there was a differentiation in the way that people would deal with it. But I see that differentiation lessening now, which I think of as a very good thing. But it was specifically designed to be dealing with taboo. That is not being dealt with in corporately funded and distributed funds.

[Brian Bishop]

But you used to see a difference if you went to another country, and now there's less.

[Crispin Glover]

No, specific. I saw the difference more in the United States.

[Brian Bishop]

It was designed well, yeah, the difference between here and there, wherever there is.

[Crispin Glover]

But there was more reaction in the United States than, say, in Canada. I found the United States. States to be more controlled in propaganda than other. Or the specific kind of propaganda that I was reacting to.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, I think there's. I know you're a car guy, so here goes. Mostly deloreans.

[Crispin Glover]

But no, I have some old Bentleys.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, really?

[Crispin Glover]

Yeah, yeah. I have a 1956 Bentley R type that I got on. It's a convertible. I got it on eBay about 10 years ago. I was the only person to bid on it. I bought it for 25,000 doll. I saw, you know, Rolls Royce and Bentley are the same car manufacturer, or they were from the 30s to the 80s. I saw the Rolls Royce version of the car not just go up for auction, but actually sell for $250,000. I'm not saying my car's worth quite that much, but I bought it for $25,000, so it's a beautiful car, too. I'm not looking to sell it, but I do like old cars.

[Brian Bishop]

But if you got 300 grand laying around.

[Crispin Glover]

But I bought it for 25,000.

[Brian Bishop]

No, I know you guys are kind

[Adam Carolla]

of selling price European luxury imports on ebay.

[Brian Bishop]

No, what I was sort of gonna allude to is that they used to make cars, even Ford, they make cars for Europe, and then they make cars for the United States, and they'd have, like, different bumpers and different emission standards and different whatever. And now they're just kind of making world cars. Like, you could drive this car in Germany or you could drive it in the United States. It used to be like, oh, BMW makes the European version, and then they make our version and everyone makes. And at some point they figured out, like, look, the world doesn't really have. It's not confined like it used to be. So let's just make the one with the one catalytic converter, whatever. It'll adhere to the world standards now. And that's kind of what I think the Internet's doing for everything. It's just sort of opening it up to sort of one standard. Like, we can see that there's probably going to be less of a difference 10 years from now in Canada and the United States than there was 10 years ago.

[Crispin Glover]

Specifically. What I've noticed is that it's harder for corporations to be. To be lassoing people into a certain kind of idea. It's much easier for things to be pierced through now because there's more review. There are people that go on with podcasts and. And say, this is ridiculous. And then they can show reasons why. And 25 years ago, it was much more difficult to do something like that. This is a very positive thing.

[Brian Bishop]

Do you have a religion?

[Crispin Glover]

I was raised with no religion, and I'm glad I was raised with no religion. I mean, yeah, no, I wouldn't call myself to have a religion.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, I'm with you. I didn't get raised with a religion either. And you don't have to have to. There's nothing to cling to.

[Crispin Glover]

Yeah, it's sort of. Well, and it becomes apparent that there are things that the organized religions. You know, there's a difference between an organized religion and then having a belief in something that's individualized. And the organized religions tend toward being something that will be utilized to control people into a certain kind of thought process, which often is not necessarily really good for those people that are being controlled by it, even though they. They believe in it.

[Gina Grad]

Were you guys separated at birth?

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, I am. I'm certainly in the religion department. Was born. I was out of laziness with my parents, I'm sure, and having to be together somewhere on a Sunday.

[Crispin Glover]

Well, my father was raised Swedish Methodist, and in the 1930s, they preached hell a lot. So, like, if you're going to. If you want to go to a dance or you like girls or whatever, they said you're going to go to hell. So he believed he was going to go to hell as a kid and didn't want to raise me that way.

[Brian Bishop]

Was your dad in a bunch of. You know, I was thinking, now it's weird. Everything's scattered. And when people used to act in the past, they'd go, oh, yeah, this guy was in Heart to Heart. He was in Barnaby Jones. He did an arc. And Quincy, you know, like, all these just. Oh, he was in Dukes of Hazzard. He'd just play those a little earlier. He was in Gunsmoke for a couple episodes. Like, they just had these shows.

[Crispin Glover]

My father was in Gunsmoke in. In fact, I was on the set of Gunsmoke when I was five years old.

[Brian Bishop]

Right now we're gonna remember being on. It's gonna be a weird thing 20 years from now. I did an arc in It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia and it's gonna be. Or Children's Hospital. Like, weird. There's so many weird shows that are. Archer. Like, they're all over the place. Isn't transparent. Yeah, just gun smoke. Like. Yeah. He was in Gunsmoke.

[Crispin Glover]

He was. He was. I remember specifically looking at the sets, being on the backlot set of Gunsmoke and finding bullets on the ground that. They're supposed to be blanks, but I found one that was live still. I don't know why I remember that, but it's pretty traumatizing. No, no, it was fun. I just. I showed it to somebody. But I've always liked sets. I own property in the Czech Republic now. This is where I shot the film with my father. The larger credits that my father has. He was in Chinatown. He was in Diamonds Are Forever as one of the assassins for James Bond. But I was developing this film for many years, and we just finished principal photography last year. I'll be showing a preview of it at the American Cinematic the Egyptian Theater. And I built sets on what were the former horse stables.

[Gina Grad]

There was a picture of you.

[Crispin Glover]

Oh, okay.

[Brian Bishop]

I couldn't tell if that was you or.

[Crispin Glover]

Oh, that is me and my father. But that's not from the new film. But he's in my second film, which I'll also be showing at the Egyptian. But I'm not in the second film. Second film was written by a man who had a severe case of cerebral palsy. And when his mother died when he was in his early 20s, he was very difficult to understand. And he was placed into a nursing home. And the people that were taking care of him there would derisively call him an Mr. Mental Retirement heard. Which isn't a nice thing to say

[Brian Bishop]

to anybody calling him mister,

[Crispin Glover]

but he couldn't get out. He finally got out 10 years after. And he was of normal intelligence. So this emotional turmoil that he must have gone through for the decade he was in there, I can't even begin to imagine. But he wrote it in the style of a 1970s TV murder mystery movie of the week week, wherein he's the bad guy. And because he. He wrote it not as a standard autobiography, but in this genre style, there are certain truths that come out in his life that are really quite beautiful. When the whole. This is part one and two of what will be a trilogy and when the whole trilogy is done that it'll be the best film of the trilogy. Not only that, though, I feel like that film in particular will probably be the best film I'll have anything to do with in my whole career. There's just something about the cathartic emotional element that happens with his character that I feel very strongly. I don't want to downplay my next film, though, because I'm excited about that. And it's not part of the trilogy. It's not part.

[Brian Bishop]

I've got a question. I gotta do a little spot here, but I'm gonna ask you about marriage and relationships in one second. First, Tommy John. Gonna keep that New Year's resolution. Gonna try Tommy John. Tommy John. They have the lightest men's underwear and undershirts ever created. Just 2 ounces. Sad when you get on the scale and you deduct eight pounds because you're wearing your underpants.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, these are pretty. These are pretty thick.

[Gina Grad]

Hefty.

[Brian Bishop]

They did drop a deuce in them, so you gotta figure a couple of pounds there. Anyway, Roundup Anti odor. Ooh, I like that. Anti moisture Wicks a wicked. The moisture. It's really good stuff. We use it. As a matter of fact, once you get it, that's it. I was thinking about Tommy John. I was. I don't know why. I was playing catch with my son in the living room with a Nerf ball last night, night before. And I was somehow picturing my dad in his just white, like, dude underpants from the 60s. 50s. 60s. And then I realized I wore the same underpants. Like, God damn.

[Adam Carolla]

I had the exact same thought literally days ago about your dad right now. About my dad. I wore the underwear. My dad.

[Brian Bishop]

It was just like a 50 year stretch of just the exact same underpants. Like the same thought. It's like cars, architecture, furniture. Like everything changed. Everything, music, everything. It was the exact same tighty whities my dad wore.

[Adam Carolla]

Your dad, you wore the underwear your dad wore. Not literally but the same style.

[Brian Bishop]

And then now we got Tommy John. So Tommy John. No adjustments necessary. It's Tommy John. Dawson. Check out [e-mail] now use promo code ADAM and save 20% on your first order. That's promo code ADAM for 20% [e-mail] tommyjohn.com CRISPIN Ever married?

[Crispin Glover]

Never. Never even close.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, not even close. That's on gauge. Long term. Girlfriends, Boyfriends? I don't know what's going on.

[Crispin Glover]

Girlfriends, girlfriend. Yeah, I've had a number of a couple of your relationships but one time a three year relationship. But I don't know that I'll ever get married. I tend, It's kind of like a long, it kind of opens a can of worms. But it's like I, I, I kind of feel like if I were, I would contemplate it if I was going to have a kid maybe. But even, even then I don't know that that's necessarily of the prescription. I, I was raised that way with married parents. So I feel like, okay, well that's seems like my norm but I, I don't even know that I believe that that is the, the norm of how things need to be.

[Brian Bishop]

It's strange but I'm seeing more and more of it. People whose parents are together, who raised lovingly by their parents, who love their parents, who just decided, no, I'm not going to have any kids, I'm not going to get married. It's a new, I don't know, maybe we're getting back to the Internet here. But it's like this new thing where it's like in the past, well, your parents were together. Now I get married, now I have kids.

[Crispin Glover]

Well, for me specifically it's a conscious decision. I, I spend a lot of time making my films and I tour and if I was going to be a parent, I'd want to be a good parent. I'd want to be a present parent. And I don't think I. Right. Because I don't have corporate distribution, I have to go out and do it myself. So it's actually I can see the pleasure of having a child. So there's, but I'm also not paternal enough to feel like if that didn't happen in my life I would be devoid of something. But I mean there's a part of me that understands that there would be a positivity to it but I would want to do it properly. So I'm careful about that.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, I would argue that you'll never get to that place where you think it's proper, where you've got all your ducks in line. And I'm never going to go out on the road, and I'm going to give my full attention to this little creature and so on and so forth. It's never really a good time. So if you're thinking about it, you know, shit went out. But remember, whoever you're shitting it out with gets half the Bentley.

[Crispin Glover]

Yeah, I know.

[Brian Bishop]

That's another. That ain't 125 either. That's whatever market rate is.

[Crispin Glover]

That's something I genuinely think about. It's something about the way the laws are written. And especially being in California, it's like. Like it's an unfortunate problem because if you've attained anything, I've worked for, you know, decades, so I have. I have the property in Los Angeles. I have a house in Los Angeles. I have the property in the Czech Republic. So it would mean that, you know, you could be totally in love with somebody and you have this great relationship, and, you know, after a number of years or whatever, generally people wake up, you know, and they kind of get sick of somebody. I mean, it doesn't mean they hate them, but. But maybe they wake up and say, oh, I don't feel like being married, and I will get half of this. And so there's kind of. Even if. Even if it's somebody that totally is in love with you, the way that the laws are written now, you become a target. Unless you're at the exact same economic place as the other person.

[Brian Bishop]

It's a whole. Then you want to talk about corporate and industry. The whole whole divorce attorney thing, it's total insanity most of the time. From every ugly story I've ever heard, they get cleaned out. The lawyers get all the money.

[Adam Carolla]

It always starts with, let's not involve the lawyers.

[Brian Bishop]

And at the very end, there's nothing left to even whack up Victory. Don't worry, Crispin. She won't get half your Bentley. They'll sell it and you'll get half the money. Look at it that way. Right?

[Crispin Glover]

No, I mean. And it's not the main thing I think about, but I'm aware of it. And the fact that most of my relationships that are long term are two or three years. So it's like, what is the average?

[Brian Bishop]

I don't have an average that says I gotcha. Do you? Your mom, your parents, Your dad's. A little untraditional. Sounds like your mom. But my mom, does she ever Push for grandkids.

[Crispin Glover]

No, actually, my father was the one that.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, really?

[Crispin Glover]

My father said to me, I'll give you $50,000 if you have. He really wanted a grandkid. $50,000 is a terrible. That doesn't pay for a grandkid. No, but my mother, My mother.

[Brian Bishop]

Dad offered me zero, by the way. Two of them. I'm the idiot. I could have had 100 grand if I was born into your family.

[Crispin Glover]

No, my mother. I talked to my mother about it. She said no. She was actually much more what I would consider correct about it. You've got to fall in love and then be passionate about it. And she can tell that that's not what my thought process is. I mean, my father, it wasn't any horrible thing. He did say that to me once, though.

[Brian Bishop]

I need half up front and then half in an escrow account. I'm not pulling out exactly off chance, you know, because then what happens when you have a kid and he just goes, yeah, I'm moving to Florida. I'm sorry. I'm not giving you that 50 grand.

[Adam Carolla]

Good luck getting it.

[Brian Bishop]

What are you going to do? All right, kid, you put back. Back in the. The wicker basket. You're going in the river. Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

Crispin being offered a large sum of money reminds me of one of my all time favorite movie lines. I. I imagine you get tons and tons of, you know, back to the future questions. One of my all time favorite movie lines was from you in Willard. How did you guys see Willard?

[Jeff Abraham]

The.

[Brian Bishop]

The. The rat remake? No, I saw the first one.

[Adam Carolla]

So Crispin plays a guy who is. Is on the. He's on the edge of sanity. He might be on the wrong edge, but he's on the edge of sanity. And of course, he has all these rats living in his family home. Right. For many, many decades. And his sanity, his temperament is bubbling under the surface the entire time. He's on the edge the entire time. And at one point, you're getting screwed by the bank. They're trying to buy out your home for like $10,000 or something like that. And he doesn't want to move. And the guy says, hey, this money is a good thing. This could help you start over. And Crispin loses it, and he says, start over. I'm almost done. It was the one time you allowed yourself to go into insane, which was perfect for the character.

[Crispin Glover]

Yeah, that was a good script. It was, it was, it. There was an emotional quality to the character. It felt incredibly bad for him. Yeah, yeah, I. I enjoyed playing that part. It was, it was well written.

[Adam Carolla]

I realized I did the line. I had the guy right here.

[Crispin Glover]

No, but that. You've said it correctly. That's the right line.

[Adam Carolla]

It's very funny.

[Brian Bishop]

Should we do a little news? Crispin and Baldwin. Let's do. Showbiz, Congress, tech news, sports news, world news. Give me News with Gina Grad with

[Stephen Mitchell]

shit out of Florida Sex Servants Obama

[Brian Bishop]

meet News with Gina. Gina the News with Gina Grad.

[Gina Grad]

Well, USA Today reports that Sarah Palin appeared to suggest Wednesday that her son's arrest this week on domestic violence charges stemmed from the effects of PTSD as a soldier and blamed President Obama for not providing access to care for veterans. Track Palin, who's 26, he's an Iraq veteran. He was arraigned Tuesday on charges of domestic violence, interfering with a report of domestic violence crime and possession of a firearm while intoxicated. I believe that firearm was an AR15. Palin alluded to her son's legal troubles at a rally at Oral Roberts University in Oklahoma after she failed to show up at a morning event. After riling up the crowd by saying that America needs a leader that cares about US Soldiers, she went on to talk about how she can relate to other families. I can certainly relate with other families who kind of feel these ramifications of some PTSD and some, some of the woundedness that our soldiers do return with. Nice.

[Brian Bishop]

She's. She's upped her sort of game.

[Adam Carolla]

She's upped her Sarah Palin ness.

[Brian Bishop]

Yes. She was Sarah Palin and then Tina Fey turned her into sort of a cartoon character Sarah Palin. And now she's past Tina Fey. And it's a weird thing. It's, I don't know, sort of a Don King syndrome where you start off as just a brother from St. Louis. At a certain point you become. And then she's doing more of her.

[Gina Grad]

Absolutely.

[Brian Bishop]

Than she was. Was it eight years old?

[Adam Carolla]

It was. Yeah. It was the first Obama election.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. She's really, I mean, when she was doing that whole Trump thing, it was sound like a crazed person.

[Gina Grad]

I swear to God. The first thing I said was she's either having holding it together before a nervous breakdown or she is somehow she's on some sort of drug.

[Brian Bishop]

Let's not forget to factor in hormones. She could be things could be kicking in because I feel like there's like her voice is changing.

[Gina Grad]

It's gone up.

[Brian Bishop]

She's getting, she's more agitated and whatever, like whatever it is, there's more of

[Adam Carolla]

it there in that first election in 2008, when we first became aware of her, it was reported pretty widely. And in that movie Game Change, she wasn't like, eating like she. She would, like, you know, have kind of these low blood sugar moments. And they attributed a lot of her kind of wackiness, quote unquote, to that. Like, she. She wasn't taking care of herself.

[Gina Grad]

Well, in this particular example, she had a rough day.

[Adam Carolla]

That's what I'm saying. Like, there's external factors that are, you know, prompting or escalating.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. All right, well, this could be getting good.

[Adam Carolla]

Hell, yes.

[Brian Bishop]

We got her. And then we get Trump and then we get Bernie Sanders. This is going to be. It's going to be good.

[Gina Grad]

What are the. That they would run together. Bernie and Trump? No, Palin and Trump.

[Brian Bishop]

I don't. I think somebody. Look, if that'd be a pay cut

[Adam Carolla]

for Sarah, I don't think she would do it.

[Gina Grad]

Really.

[Adam Carolla]

It's a big pay cut.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, invite.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. She's probably making millions of dollars a year doing Fox News and doing books and speaking to hers and that kind of stuff.

[Gina Grad]

But it's a power thing.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, two things. I'm not sure. I'd be curious, and I'm not saying she's not. I'd just be curious. They don't pay you for Fox News, but they pay you for whatever you can do. The gig, the rally. But I don't know if it's millions, but we could be interesting to figure out 230k but just for Fox News, huh? Vice president's salary.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, the vice president's salary.

[Brian Bishop]

Thanks. Yeah, well, no, I know Obama's taking a pay cut, too, but Obama's gonna get a kajillion. His first book advance is gonna be $27 million, so he'll be fine. And then it'll be 300 a pop every speaking engagement. 300,000 a pop after that. So what I'm saying is pay cut, but then for payday, sure.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Escalate down the road.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. Everybody takes the pay cut and then they go on. Then they go on the banquet circuit and then look out world. But I don't think Trump would want hers. No.

[Gina Grad]

What about Ted Canada, Cruz?

[Brian Bishop]

I think she's. I'm assuming that Trump has somebody advising him and I'm assuming that she's looked at as a liability.

[Adam Carolla]

I was just thinking the same word. I think she looked at wild card,

[Brian Bishop]

loose cannon because she feels to the

[Adam Carolla]

base, but I imagine she's so divisive amongst independent or undecided voters. I have to imagine that she'd be too divisive to alienate a large portion of the population. That's my guess.

[Brian Bishop]

So Gary's writing in that she's making 250 a k at 250k a year at Fox. And she's getting a big. Taking a cut from where she started. I think she's, she's turning into a weird poison, third rail, weird thing of politics.

[Adam Carolla]

I remember when she first started over there, they're like, they set up the remote cameras, like in her house. Like she was a big part of. They went out of their way to make her a big part of the network.

[Brian Bishop]

I was gonna say the bloom is off the Sarah Palin race. That's just me. And I don't feel like Trump feels like she's bringing a lot to the table. Yeah, she feels she's sounding nutty.

[Gina Grad]

Yeah. But I, but she went to Oral Roberts University. She wanted to say Trump's the man. So I don't think he's going to let her. He's. He's not going to discourage her from complimenting him anytime soon.

[Brian Bishop]

No, no. I wonder, I wonder if there's going to be conversations about reeling it in. All right. She seems all right.

[Gina Grad]

Well. Will Smith will spend Oscar night at home with his wife, Jada Pinkett. Smith, the Concussion star, appeared on Good Morning America Thursday to discuss diversity in Hollywood and the controversy surrounding the lack of black Oscar nominees this year. Many believe that Smith himself was snubbed and should have been nominated for Concussion. Smith added that he will be joining his wife in skipping the Oscars, but also explained the irony of his situation having been nominated in the past. Past.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, it's, it's really interesting. I've been, I've been nominated twice for Academy Awards and, and I've never lost to a white person. The first time I lost to Denzel. The second time I lost to Forest Whitaker. So for me, that was huge. So when, when I see this list and series of nominations that come out and everybody is fantastic and that's the complexity of this issue. Everyone is beautiful and deserving and it's fantastic. But it feels like it's going the wrong direction. Not going any direction is the direction we're shooting for. Right. Like, this notion of, I mean, like, I literally had this situation where we were at this convention in Vegas and there was one black guy in the entire place. I mean, there was 500 woodworking, you know, just dudes. And the black guy came. Mike August was like behind the booth we're standing sort of behind this little booth, had some waters and some stuff set up. And the guy walked up and he said, can I have a water, please? And Mike, he thought kind of Mike August worked there or something. And Mike was like, oh, let me look. And I was sort of trying to open cupboards and looking around, and I was like standing there going, mike, please find a water for that. Please, please, please. So it doesn't seem like he's gonna go, no, while we're all drinking our water. So this guy can walk away and think that the guy who works at

[Adam Carolla]

this booth, there's a special fountain for you.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, right. And Mike's like going up like, please find a water. That I thought, that's not progress. Progress is whoever walks up wants a water. We either have one or we don't. There's nothing else attached to it.

[Adam Carolla]

A non issue, a non story is the ultimate goal, right?

[Brian Bishop]

Some years there are going to be black folk nominated, and some years there's not gonna be any. There's not gonna be any Asians or Hispanics for the most part. But I mean, this going in the wrong direction. It's not going in the wrong direction. It's the way life works.

[Crispin Glover]

But the thing about the Academy Awards is that it was started specifically by the studios to advertise films in 1926 or 1927. So it is a propaganda organization. And studio films, or I always broaden it to corporately funded and distributed films are always a reflection of what corporate interests are wanting people to be thinking about. So. So that's really more the issue than a specific under element of it. I mean, side effects.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, my argument for everybody is always like, if this was something that was volitional, like if they were like, oh, boy, let's get the blacks out of it, Some would have to go, look, we gotta nominate one black guy. Otherwise it's going to seem like we're doing what we're doing. I don't think it's that. I mean, I agree with Crispin that everyone's trying to make money.

[Adam Carolla]

Money.

[Crispin Glover]

At the end of the day, I'm writing a book about it right now. I'm on page 300 youW in a book. What? Not these kinds of books, Just a text. A book that's of text. And it's something that I have a lot of passion about is the topic of propaganda. And, you know, I hear that a lot where they say films are about making money, but I would disagree with that. Films are about getting a specific message across that corporate interests want people to think, and I would argue that they would be willing to lose money because the corporate interests will make more money. As long as the message comes across that's going to be good for their interests.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, how does that work with Concussion versus Star Wars?

[Crispin Glover]

Versus, I don't know. Concussion.

[Gina Grad]

That's the Will Smith movie.

[Brian Bishop]

Perhaps you've been hit in the head too many times. Well, I mean it's versus whatever else is nominated.

[Crispin Glover]

It's complicated. But ultimately it has to do with what kinds of films get funded and distributed.

[Brian Bishop]

But do you think, as Will Smith said, we're moving the wrong direction or do you think as I think, which is things are just random or not race based?

[Crispin Glover]

I don't think it's random. I do think there's a specific interest that corporations are after.

[Brian Bishop]

Race based.

[Crispin Glover]

It's quite possible. It's obviously it's not what I think about, but I do very specifically think about the corporate interest as a property.

[Brian Bishop]

You're busy driving around that Bentley to think about the brothers.

[Crispin Glover]

Well, I know, I mean they like Bentley, but I would totally. I mean, look, there's no question there was a slave trade. There's something that. That's still a reverberation from that. That's not a good thing. There's no question about that. So there would be a sub element of what I'm talking about that probably relates to what Will Smith is talking about. But I think more importantly that people need to be extremely aware of is that everything that is corporately funded, everything that is corporately distributed has a specific message, meaning that it would not be funded and it would not be distributed unless it specifically is approved by corporate interest. Corporate interest will not approve anything that could be not in their own interest.

[Adam Carolla]

I get it, Crispin. This is the worst Oscar acceptance.

[Brian Bishop]

What's next?

[Gina Grad]

Well, you might, you might enjoy this

[Brian Bishop]

because Fox, Will's gotta go home to Jada and deal with that shit every fuckin night.

[Gina Grad]

By the way, that video she put up did look like she was doing like a Shakespearean soliloquy when she said yes know, let's. Let's let them do their thing with the grace and the love.

[Adam Carolla]

And also, this is gonna reek of some of my best friends, Herb. But it was just last year that 12 Years a Slave cleaned up at the Oscars. I'm not saying that all that makes it all right, but I'm saying there is some randomness in that these movies fell in this 12 month period. And maybe next year there will Be more reflective of racial diversity. Just so happens that these are the movies that are honored this year. I don't think it's worth getting it started. There is a long recent history of white.

[Brian Bishop]

Seem like that's. Yeah, seemed like he agreed with you.

[Gina Grad]

You know? Who agrees with you? To Stacey Dash. Fox contributor and actress Stacey Dash.

[Brian Bishop]

Like her mom's seasoning.

[Gina Grad]

Most people ever heard from clueless brother

[Adam Carolla]

Jules, a hell of a director went

[Gina Grad]

on Fox and Friends this week to comment on the Oscar boycott to say that this country is living a double standard. Here's the clip.

[Brian Bishop]

There's a whole new gig out there which is black celebrity who ain't working much now can go on Fox and say shit as a black person that the old redhead guys can't say.

[Adam Carolla]

Like a weird curiosity.

[Brian Bishop]

That's its own new pundit gig. All right, all right.

[Gina Grad]

You want to have segregation or integration.

[Brian Bishop]

And if we don't want segregation, then

[Gina Grad]

we need to get rid of channels like BET and the BET Awards and the Image Awards, where you're only awarded if you're black. If it were the other way around,

[Brian Bishop]

we would be up in arms.

[Gina Grad]

It's a double standard. Just like there shouldn't be a Black History Month.

[Brian Bishop]

You know, we're Americans. Yeah, I'm with her on all that shit. I can certainly say this. I think we've done an experiment in it. It's not really worked. That's my take. I don't like any of the. But, you know, look, I don't even really like the Irish guy parade or any. I just. I don't mind the pride in the culture, but I do feel it's weird. Like, here's an award show for black people, and here's a college for black people. I'm not, you know, I'm not gonna set myself on fire. I just feel like it is. I think it'd be a weird thing to talk to an alien about. Like, if we're going, look, no, what we're trying to do is knock down barriers and walls and show that there is no color and there is no difference. And we're all just humans and we're all just living here on this planet. We're all brothers. And it's really the content of the character, but not the color of the skin. Oh, that's a black college. Or that's a black football team or that's black. That's a black parade or black award show. And then someone else would argue, well, yeah, but they need it. But then, I don't know do you need any award show? I mean, you can say same with Hispanic and anything else.

[Gina Grad]

Right. First of all, there have been white people who've received BET awards, but overall, like, I know, oh yeah, there's a handful and I could look it up for you. But Sam Smith, was it Daft Punk,

[Adam Carolla]

A bunch of random Rick Astley.

[Gina Grad]

I get it, but do you think that it's. It's a relic from another time? Because there was obviously a time where this was necessary because they weren't allowed

[Brian Bishop]

to do anything else. I do, I, I'm not. I mean, I'm just saying it's a, It's a weird thing. And you know, this is going back a few years, but Damien John was in here from Shark Tank and fubu and it's like, it's Damon John. Sorry, I said Damien, Damon John. It's a hard balancing act to go, we're all just together and we don't judge and then go, this is for us, by us, like, this is our thing. Or we can say this, but you can't say that. And you don't know because you're not us. And we got a black church and we got a white church and it's good to have a black church and a black campus. We can't have a white campus. It's just a weird. It's two things that are being said simultaneously that I think conflict to some degree, at least in 2016. I personally agree. I mean, I tell everybody, drop whatever. I mean, drop whatever you got. Like, don't do the, you know, hey, man, I'm from Brooklyn, so don't mess with me, don't. I don't give a fuck where you're from or I'm Italian or I'm anything. Like, it's all right. I'm half Italian and I see a Ferrari and I think, oh, nice. And I think that's fine, that's fine to have a little bit of that, but don't get steeped in it. Make your family, your team, your race, your whatever.

[Adam Carolla]

Don't start a three day festival based around food and drink and everything outside of San Tobacco.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. Also don't do that with your gender. Like, hey, I'm a woman, so I need, like, you're half the population. I'm not saying that there's not work to be done, but you hanging this title on yourself is not going to get it done. That's not really productive or, I don't know, has it been? I mean, how we doing? What's going on? I'll tell you who I mean. I think the groups that do it the least get the most out of life. That's what I'll say. And I'll say the same about teams like Don't Live and Die with the Raiders and Don't Live and Die with the Chargers. Like don't have a Team.

[Crispin Glover]

Did you read that book by any chance?

[Brian Bishop]

No, I'm gonna go with no, but go ahead.

[Crispin Glover]

Three years ago called Sex at the Prehistory of Human Sexuality. You've read it?

[Gina Grad]

Yeah, I have it.

[Crispin Glover]

I thought that was a really great book because it was written by a husband, wife, team. And they were essentially arguing that humans in pre agricultural tribal situations raised children in a tribal way. And it was once people started owning land in agriculture that men had to

[Brian Bishop]

own,

[Crispin Glover]

prove that the child was their own child. So ownership of the wife, ownership of a woman to prove that that was their gene, their child, to pass down the land.

[Brian Bishop]

Right.

[Crispin Glover]

So, I mean, you were starting to talk about women point of view. But I think what was interesting about the book, not only about the women's point of view, but just looking at things from the point of view of humans as ultimately coming from a tribal situation of 12 to 20 people. And cooperation in those groups was the most important thing. So you would rarely have somebody that wouldn't cooperate in a 12 to 20 person group because that could lead to death of the entire tribe. Or that would be the only time they would essentially excommunicate somebody which would be certain death, as if they weren't cooperating. So it's a very primal element in human beings is to cooperate. And then what starts to happen in terms of the way propaganda can utilize it is both as a positive and a negative. It can be pointed to where somebody is pointed out and said, that person is not cooperating, therefore they need to be excommunicated. But one has to be very careful as to what the person that's pointing at them is trying to get out of it. Because if it's a corporate interest, it feels like they're going to have trouble. Because somebody's pointing out that corporate interest, then that person's actually doing something good for the group, but they're doing something bad for corporate interest. But the corporate interest may have media control.

[Brian Bishop]

You want the BET Awards or not?

[Crispin Glover]

This is a black awards show.

[Brian Bishop]

I hope so.

[Crispin Glover]

I think if people want to start an award show, it's fine. Award shows are somebody's individual or group's element of wanting to celebrate something. So if somebody wants to do that that's fine. I don't have anything against giving awards to people. That's okay.

[Brian Bishop]

Okay. All black colleges.

[Crispin Glover]

Well, I mean, it's complicated because there's. There's positive reasons why people want to do things.

[Brian Bishop]

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[Adam Carolla]

All right, Crispin, you're wearing a wool suit.

[Crispin Glover]

Of course.

[Brian Bishop]

It's a little hot. Yeah. And you're speaking with passion.

[Gina Grad]

You're very dapper.

[Brian Bishop]

Black colleges. Good.

[Crispin Glover]

You know, it's not something I know enough about. I accept. Sounds okay. I don't. But I don't know. It's not something that I'm educated enough in to speak properly about.

[Brian Bishop]

All right, next story.

[Adam Carolla]

Can I make a quick correction? I told you, Slave, two years ago, nine Oscar nominees.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, but we're moving the wrong direction.

[Gina Grad]

Well, CNN reports that 10% of college graduates think Judge Judy is on the Supreme Court. Sheindlin is an American lawyer made popular as the judge on a court show by the name of Judge Judy. The show features Sheindlin handling small disputes in a courtroom, but she does not serve on the Supreme Court of the United States. The poll conducted by the American Council of Trustees and alumni in August 2015 released this. This was actually released in January, concluded that the from the 1,000 surveyed that the college graduates, quote, are alarmingly ignorant

[Brian Bishop]

of America's history and heritage to fair to them. It's not that people are stupid, although we are stupid. We're not listening. So like we're like answering a text and then somebody comes up and goes, do you think Judge Judy's on the Supreme Court? And we go, yeah, why not? And then they write it down. Also, this is one of those things where it'll be a self fulfilling. It's like the one where they go, what do you think has more bacteria on it the average pillow on the average hotel or the average subway toilet seat. We already know where this one is going to be, do we not? We already know. I think this is one of those I already know, but I do think people are dumb. I don't think they have the information, but I also think they're distracted and don't give a shit. People used, like if you really stopped that person and went, okay, hold on, you just said that Judge Judy, I'm sure they'll have Judy Scheindler on the Supreme Judge Judy. You think you've seen commercials for Judge Judy?

[Adam Carolla]

Now that you mention it, now that

[Brian Bishop]

you mentioned, they probably just used her whole name and you know, they probably couched it and phrased it in a way that got people to roll along with it.

[Gina Grad]

And glass is half full. 90% don't think she's on the Supreme Court.

[Brian Bishop]

Right. That being said, everyone's stupid, but again, it's narcissism more than stupidity.

[Adam Carolla]

I like your theory of people being out of it because I used to work for a news organization and when people would come in to audition to be like an anchor or a reporter or something, they would give him a test. And one of the test was like named the Supreme Court justices. And you'd be shocked how many of the aspiring people wanted to make it their vocation to be a reporter or an anchor or something. Couldn't name more than like three. But for the average person, you know, whatever. But for, you know, somebody who wants to make it their vocation, I understand,

[Brian Bishop]

but how many guys in the NFL even know half the guys in the hall of Fame that came before him? Like their thing is like, I'm going to catch balls today. And that's what I'll read the teleprompter now. But these guys are, as we found out in the past, it's insane when you're explaining them that Mike Ditka actually played. It wasn't just a coach, you know, like they don't. And it usually, usually when you look good and you're Good at reading the teleprompter. You're not so good at that.

[Adam Carolla]

And usually another Collinsworth is in the league.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm guessing the half. Probably don't know Chris Collinsworth.

[Brian Bishop]

No, no, no. And didn't know that. I think he has an interesting stat. I think he has the longest throw from scrimmage.

[Adam Carolla]

Chris Collinsworth.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. Playing for Florida. I think he was a Gator.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh. In college.

[Brian Bishop]

In college.

[Adam Carolla]

I know it.

[Brian Bishop]

He put him in a quarterback, like on the one yard line and he completed like a 99 and a half yard pass or something. He also had like the state 100 meter. Oh, he's a great championship, too. Like, record, like, it was just crazy. But because he's gawky and weird white, he just looks like. You know what you did?

[Adam Carolla]

What?

[Gina Grad]

If you would have just let Crispin jump in, he could have told you all this.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, I know. I know. 99 yards. Do we have that play? You know that ball.

[Adam Carolla]

I didn't know that. Yeah, but trivia.

[Brian Bishop]

I was tied for the longest.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, sure. You can only go 99 yards, right?

[Brian Bishop]

All right, let's bring it home.

[Gina Grad]

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[Crispin Glover]

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[Brian Bishop]

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[Crispin Glover]

H E, L, L, I, O, N Instant Crispin. Helen Glover Instagram and Crispin Glover, Twitter. So these, they have different variations of information, but crispenglover.com there's a newsletter people can sign up for, which is helpful.

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Yeah, get it on. Got to get it on. No choice but to get it on, man date. Get it on. Stephen Mitchell is here. Who's Stephen Mitchell? Well, he makes documentaries and he made one on the Kings of Leon called Talihina Sky. Did I get that right?

[Stephen Mitchell]

You got that exactly right.

[Brian Bishop]

I watched it last night. I was blown away. And just in the news, obviously, the Kings of Leon have canceled a bunch of tour dates and we're talking about this on the news. Yeah, there's exhaustion, which always seems like drugs and all that stuff. Stuff. But I don't know what's going on with the Kings of Leon this second. I can tell you that the making of the Kings of Leon is really compelling. And who the hell knew where these people came from? First off, Talhena, how does that, what does that mean?

[Stephen Mitchell]

Well, Talahina is in Oklahoma. That's a small town in Oklahoma. It's where the Followell family has their reunion each summer. So the boys have been going there since obviously they can remember.

[Brian Bishop]

Kings of Leon are three brothers and a cousin. Right, Right.

[Stephen Mitchell]

And so, and then they have another cousin, Nacho, who's their infamous Roadie.

[Brian Bishop]

Sure.

[Stephen Mitchell]

And so it's a family affair, to say the least.

[Brian Bishop]

How much success? Just because I'm a little out of the loop, and I just figure if you've heard of a band these days, they're huge.

[Stephen Mitchell]

It seems that way, right?

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. How much success have the Kings of Leon had over, like, the last three years?

[Stephen Mitchell]

Well, that's been in the United States. That's where the success really kicked in was in the last three years. That's right about when in 2008, the album only by the Night hit. And that's when America discovered the band. Now, prior to that, they've had many albums and tours and where they're huge overseas. So they. They've. It's been a weird. The Chili Peppers, I hear, had a similar story like this. But my point being is they exploded

[Brian Bishop]

overseas first, but they've sold how many million records?

[Stephen Mitchell]

Oh, man, I'd be out of line quoting. But it's got to be in the 20 or 30 million worldwide for all their.

[Brian Bishop]

They have five albums, so they're as big a band as there's been over the last couple of years.

[Stephen Mitchell]

I feel like they're probably as big an American band as we've seen in quite a while. Maybe the Foo Fighters were before, and

[Brian Bishop]

everyone is set for life, basically.

[Stephen Mitchell]

I mean, if they're not, they need a new accountant.

[Brian Bishop]

Right? Right. So you used to be on record label side of this whole thing, right?

[Stephen Mitchell]

Personally?

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Well, I started in music publishing about 10 years ago, and that's actually how I met the boys in the family. I signed Nathan and Caleb to their initial songwriting deals. They were just two brothers singing acapella gospel stuff. Yeah, I think they were just, you know, trying not to be a country act, which is what everyone in Nashville wanted to turn them into. The Everly Brothers or whatever. So that's kind of when they started really sticking their foot out into the world. More or less was during that year, 2001, when I met them and signed them.

[Brian Bishop]

At that point, the documentary sort of chronicles their lives and the forming of the band, but also under sort of the backdrop of the reunion that they have. And I mean, this reunion is something from a different time. I mean, sort of Hatfield's and McCoy. I mean, I don't mean in the feuding part. I just mean guys playing cider jugs barefoot, catching crawdads. I mean, the kind of shit that you didn't think existed in modern times.

[Stephen Mitchell]

It's the real deal. I mean.

[Brian Bishop]

I mean, like. I mean, first off, you didn't think there were any white people that engage in this behavior anymore. Oh, there are plenty of them. And it is as rural as it gets. So they go to some spot in Oklahoma, and there's a creek and a tire swing and a bus up on blocks, and they're having a crawdad cookout.

[Stephen Mitchell]

It's a blast. I mean, the first year they. The boys took me with them was in 2002. And so this was before the band. Well, during that summer when the band was finding, you know, basically bringing Jared not going back to the 11th grade, telling his mother he was, you know, not honor student, not going back to school at that point. Matt, Matthew coming out of, you know, not going to a senior year of high school. But they took me to the reunion that first year, which I'm glad I got to go before the band formed, you know, but to get out there and to see blew my mind. I just couldn't believe it.

[Brian Bishop]

What were you. Were you, like, eating, like, possum jello and stuff like that? Like, I mean, did you eat crawdads?

[Stephen Mitchell]

Crawdads? I've eaten plenty of those, and I can't say I love them.

[Brian Bishop]

I don't.

[Stephen Mitchell]

They're not. They're not. They're not. They're not super tasty.

[Brian Bishop]

Most stuff you get from the bottom of a creek is not delightful.

[Stephen Mitchell]

No.

[Brian Bishop]

But, I mean, they're playing horseshoes. The whole family's, like, musical, but it was more of a religious thing. Right.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Well, back to that. On musical. They're very musical family. They're early in the film, if you hear some of the bluegrass music that's playing. That's Grandpa. Their Leon, actually, who was. He sounded like Vern Gosden when he sang.

[Brian Bishop]

They're named after.

[Stephen Mitchell]

They're named after him.

[Brian Bishop]

Right. But I mean, oh, my God, when you see these people, I mean, it is. It's like. It's as if they went back to the 30s, but they had color film.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Yep.

[Brian Bishop]

So the family. The dad was a preacher, right? Still is.

[Stephen Mitchell]

No, not. I would be surprised if he. He decides to go into some sort of ministry or maybe something in the future where maybe ministry is the wrong word, but being a positive support for young people that are struggling. But he.

[Brian Bishop]

He.

[Stephen Mitchell]

He doesn't preach in the Pentecostal Church. They don't. They don't give you much grace, let's put it that way, for making mistakes in the Pentecostal Church.

[Brian Bishop]

He's divorced now, and he was sort of traveling and preaching and doing a sort of God Will provide. But God really didn't provide so well.

[Stephen Mitchell]

God was not providing so well.

[Brian Bishop]

Right. And he wasn't asking for money like a lot of these other preachers were,

[Stephen Mitchell]

which you can't kind of blame him because I really feel like since I've gotten to know him, that his ministry, meaning he really did care about what he was doing. And it was a pure intention. So it wasn't like, oh, I want to have my family struggle just so we look like we're godly or something. I really don't think he wanted to ask for. For the money his.

[Brian Bishop]

And so they grew up in a kind of a poverty that people don't really understand. There's. There's two kinds of poverty. There's. Well, we got two TVs, but we only have basic cable and we have one car. And, you know, we're eating a lot of canned beans. But there's a certain. But we're living in a shitty apartment, but at least the apartment has heat kind of poverty. And then there's things made out of plywood up on cinder blocks. Living with snakes coming through your house like they were old school poverty. Right?

[Stephen Mitchell]

Yeah. I mean, really, when I've talked to the boys about that, being young and being poor, it frustrated them. It's embarrassing. Like Caleb talks about what kid wants to go through that? And, you know, they love their dad and they enjoyed traveling and the ministry, from what I understand, from what they told me. But sure, who wants to be hungry and poor and can't. You got to borrow clothes from your brother. You're swapping them out and it sucks.

[Brian Bishop]

And they're living in plywood. By the way, the siding on those plywood things is T111. I happen to know that for being a welder.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Well, Uncle Cleo's cabin, he told me it cost him like 48 cents in screws is the most money he spent on it. Other than that he probably stole and borrowed or whatever.

[Brian Bishop]

Couple of uncle. Couple of family members going through that place with just, I mean, eye patches and missing teeth and catching snakes by their hands and barefoot and, you know, that sort of coveralls with no shirt on underneath or you can't make it up.

[Stephen Mitchell]

No, no, no, you can't script this stuff.

[Brian Bishop]

You could write it. You can cast it. Central casting for sort of hillbilly uncles. And as a matter of fact, if you were making a movie where that guy was supposed to be playing the white trash hillbilly uncle, you would have told him to reel it in a little. Little Bit because it's not believable.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Well, and you know what's awesome about him, Uncle Cleo? We actually lost him about two months ago. He, that patch you're talking about on his eye, he had melanoma, I believe it was. And so in the film, you see that he has to have surgery and so forth. But, you know, he is, was one of the most amazing people I've ever met.

[Brian Bishop]

Really.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Just a real guy. Just. That's an overused term, but it's just,

[Brian Bishop]

no, just like sort of in tune with nature, I guess. Like, you don't find these dudes anymore that are just sort of, they just sort of walk around and they go, hey, there's a snake. And everyone else runs and they go, let's go get him. And they, and then not get them with a stick, they just go down, reach down and get them. Hey, fella. And they look at him and they set him on a tree and walk away.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Or at the end of the film, you see Uncle Bud, his brother, Cleo's brother, who happens to that deer.

[Brian Bishop]

Right.

[Stephen Mitchell]

If you remember, kid and all that. And when I'd first gone to the property in 2002, I went into his house, which is at the corner of the property. And even though I'm known there, I still go check in, let's put it that way, when I check in with Uncle Bud.

[Brian Bishop]

Because you don't want any rock salt in your ass. No.

[Stephen Mitchell]

You know, so anyways, first time I went to his house in 2002, I walked in, went in to greet him and say hi, and there was a pit bull, a puppy pit bull and a baby deer. I, I, you know, I don't know how Fawn, Okay, a fawn just sitting there.

[Brian Bishop]

Because at the end of the movie, that's, that's what he was playing with. It was still a small deer, wasn't it?

[Stephen Mitchell]

Yeah, it came. That particular fawn would come in from the woods in the morning and to see him and.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, I guess he'd be a baby fawn. Is a fawn just a female deer?

[Stephen Mitchell]

What's it, what's a doe, A deer

[Brian Bishop]

or a female deer. Right, Ray?

[Stephen Mitchell]

I've never gotten this right. Yeah, neither one of us are going to graduate with our biology degrees here either way.

[Brian Bishop]

You have no idea where these guys come from. I had no idea. You hear the music. There you go. And then you go, oh, the guys are brothers. And you go, eh, there you go. But you don't have any idea where the Kings of Leon came from. And how just insane. Not in a bad way, but just in a way that would surprise the shit out of you. And then of course, as far as the guys in the band, going from that. Just going from that to Manhattan for a weekend would be culture shock enough. But flying in private jets, having drugs and booze thrown at you, women thrown at you, money thrown at you, completely ill equipped to deal with that. I imagine growing up the way they grew up. So they grow. They grow up with religion and they grow up in this poverty and they grow up in this sort of rural environment which is like, again, they probably hadn't seen an airplane the first 15 years of life.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Well, that's a little bit of a. That property that they go to, it's a family owned property and they go there for like a month in the summer. So the boys spend a lot of their time sort of literally in the back of a car. Car, traveling between most of their family, their fathers, and they all are based in Oklahoma City for the most part now. But my point being is they travel between Memphis, where their mom was from Milton. She was 17 years old when she married their father.

[Brian Bishop]

Perfect, right?

[Stephen Mitchell]

And then they hit the road and next thing you know, Nathan and Caleb come along. Jared eventually, obviously, too, but they're ministering all along that I40 Bible belt, basically.

[Brian Bishop]

Do they seem ill equipped to cope with all of the success and all the money and all the trappings that society will then just immediately throw in your lap and not one piece at a time, but in a dump truck?

[Stephen Mitchell]

I think that's. I mean, listen, I think that'd be hard for any of us, period, no matter our background. You all of a sudden get the spoils of life thrown at you out of nowhere. But sure, I think it was maybe a little more confusing. Confusing for them. And it was such a rapid ascension once they put that band together in the garage and their world is flipped upside down with them. I mean, I tell people all the time, 2008, we're at the reunion one week, the next week we're at Glastonbury where they're headlining to 125,000 people. And your. Your. My brain was just like, right.

[Brian Bishop]

Crazy is. How old are the guys?

[Stephen Mitchell]

The oldest. Let's see, Nathan is the oldest, the drummer, he's 30, 32. Caleb's 29. I think he just turned 29. Then Matthew is 26 or 7. And Jared's the baby at 25 years old. Think about that. 25 years old and he has five albums out, right.

[Brian Bishop]

And so I Guess. And again, the band has canceled their tour and there's some sort of rehab, substance, whatever, somebody. I mean, it's a story that you've heard before in rock and roll, I'm sure, And somebody needs to sort of dry up, clean up, whatever. But how is the band?

[Crispin Glover]

Like, how are the guys?

[Brian Bishop]

I couldn't really tell from the doc. Pardon me for calling it a doc.

[Stephen Mitchell]

No, I know, because it's not a standard doc.

[Brian Bishop]

I couldn't tell because it was so much about the family as, you know, normally. Like, if you think, okay, I'm going to see a documentary on the who, you think, all right, I'm going to see the whole. Right. 247 here. But you don't think you're gonna see the who's family for half the doc. They just turned out to be such compelling characters, you couldn't look away. And I'm sure you felt as a filmmaker, like he needed to get them in. They're just stars on camera. They're stars, right? Yeah. But I couldn't tell, as far as the guys went, who were in the band, what their intelligence level was. And I don't mean that like, hey, they're dumb, but mean. Like, were they educated? Are they sort of equipped? Do they seem like there's going to be a bright future for the Kings of Leon, or is there trouble?

[Stephen Mitchell]

Well, I mean, listen, first of all, if you're in a rock band, you're not supposed to be politically correct. So all the people that want them to be politicians and politically correct at this time, they're just out of their fucking minds. I mean, come on, it's a rock band. They don't work for the un. They're not right. You know, so that's first. First off on that side of things, you know, a couple of the guys. Jared was an honors student. I mean, he was going to. He was supposed to be going into the 11th grade, straight A honor student. His mother cried her eyes out, obviously, when they started the band, because here's her one son, right? You know, could go off to a college scholarship or whatever.

[Brian Bishop]

Nathan. Taxidermy school, which is where everyone else went, right?

[Stephen Mitchell]

Well, and Nathan. Nathan, he did graduate from high school. Their mother home schooled them quite a bit. And then he was able to go away to college on a academic scholarship. But Caleb did not graduate high school, was working in construction. And so when he really decides to take that leap of faith and say, hey, I want to take a run at the music business, Nathan dropped out of school to join him and kind of help get that along the way.

[Brian Bishop]

Are they still relating as religious as they were brought up or did they turn their backs on that? I know they're wearing crosses and they seem somewhat religious, but also there's a part of them that feels like they're trying to get away from their past.

[Stephen Mitchell]

I think you're nailing all of it, honestly, because it's when you grow up in that niche of a world, in my opinion. Meaning Pentecostalism is very strict. A lot of man made regulation, regulations that go into it. Meaning the women can't cut their hair, they can't wear earrings or makeup. Nathan and Caleb had to play basketball with long sleeve shirts on a lot of times.

[Brian Bishop]

Really?

[Stephen Mitchell]

Yeah. So it's a weird white teen wolf. Totally.

[Brian Bishop]

So you can't wear the, you can't wear the jersey. You wear it over the long sleeve shirt.

[Stephen Mitchell]

You had to wear sweatpants and long sleeve.

[Brian Bishop]

I mean, literally couldn't show flesh.

[Stephen Mitchell]

No.

[Brian Bishop]

Even a dude can't show his knee.

[Stephen Mitchell]

You definitely can't show his knee.

[Brian Bishop]

Like someone's gonna start beating off.

[Stephen Mitchell]

They probably did stand. Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

Jesus Christ.

[Stephen Mitchell]

And girls liked him anyways in church as it was. So I think their mom was happy they were covering it up. You know, it is.

[Brian Bishop]

See first off, raising your kid this way, you know, raising your kid to have some sense of spirituality and to be religious or morals. Or morals or whatever is all fine. The part where, where you turn everything into a sin is going. That's a recipe for disaster because the kid is going to get a boner at some point.

[Stephen Mitchell]

And preachers kids are notorious hellraisers.

[Brian Bishop]

The only thing worse than preachers kids are cops kids. Right? I mean, I would love somebody to really just go down a list of worst kids. Preachers kids got to be the top cops kids got to be second. Politicians kids got to be third.

[Stephen Mitchell]

You know what it is, it sense makes, makes it, it makes sin so attractive because here your dad is the pinnacle or the epitome of, you know, the symbol of righteousness and you've got all the spoil. You know, it's all in your head.

[Brian Bishop]

Jenna Jameson's dad was a cop from Nevada.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Was she really?

[Brian Bishop]

It's always. That's, that's, that's how, that's how, that's how it always works. You know, it's just that thing where you are going to rebel and you're going to rebel against, against. For me, I rebelled against the lethargy of my parents. Like, I was like, here's super, here's super unmotivated, super poor, super boring people that aren't out doing whatever they should be doing with their life. And thus I'm getting in a vintage race car and hitting a track.

[Stephen Mitchell]

That's what that was your inspiration?

[Brian Bishop]

My inspiration was to not be whatever it was. I'm sure if my dad was into it, I'd probably be either gay or working on a crossword puzzle. Or possibly both.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Maybe both at the same time.

[Brian Bishop]

You can do.

[Stephen Mitchell]

I don't know.

[Brian Bishop]

But it's insulting to your partner to work on the CrossFit puzzle.

[Stephen Mitchell]

It's like having sex and watching football.

[Brian Bishop]

I'd say worse, probably depending on.

[Stephen Mitchell]

You've tried that.

[Brian Bishop]

Depending on what position you're in. I've tried to do. I've tried to do. I tried to do everything at once. So sex is not off the table in terms of, like, when I drive, I do three things at once. When, when I talk, I do three things at once. Wherever I am, I'm doing three things at once. So what's wrong with doing multitaskers?

[Stephen Mitchell]

They don't ever really buy into that. But I'm with you.

[Brian Bishop]

You're with me on that.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Men are multitaskers. Even though we are accused of not being so.

[Brian Bishop]

Cannot shut the brain and. Or the penis off. So anyway, the documentary is riveting and it's something you'd never expect. I mean, that was our goal.

[Stephen Mitchell]

I mean, yes. You know, meeting those, meeting these guys 10 years ago, Adam was like, my life changed on the shot. You know, you start getting told these stories and you meet these people and it was a no brainer for me. I mean, it was like, this is a really. This. And this is, you know, there's a lot about this story that's very unique and different, but there's a lot that's very much grounded in the history of rock. Meaning you look at Elvis, his story or Jerry Lee or. That's not that far from what these kids went through growing up and then their world kind of turning upside down and then stepping out. And that's not an easy process to step out.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, the thing that's. It's, you know, when you hear about Elvis Presley and you hear about Mississippi and you hear about his, you know, dad was a sharecropper or whatever it is, and mama and living in, you know, government housing and blah, blah, blah, and a two room shack and everything, you just see the black and white pictures of it and it just seems like so much weird history. It's like Civil War or something. You don't see blood, you just see guys, you know, old pictures. The thing about this documentary is you actually see color pictures of like somebody had a high def camera and was filming Elvis in 1951.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Well, I, you know, listen, I hope one day it's a goal of mine that I've sort of, you know, this is my first film that I've made and I really very proud of the opportunity to get to tell their story. As you can imagine, that's quite a privilege and trust that the boys and their family put into me. But I hope that 20, 30 years, maybe more down the road people watch this and think exactly that, you know, that it fits right in there with the classics of all.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, the thing that's great about documentaries and about this kind of stuff, and I've been involved with some of this to some degree in my life and my career, is you have a time capsule of whatever it is you were doing during the period, period that that thing was happening. You know, whatever you looked like, however much you weighed, whatever house you lived in, whatever car you're driving, whatever girlfriend you had or whatever it is or did not have. Obviously you already had one person die between the time you shot it.

[Stephen Mitchell]

And now the grandparents are getting, you know, much older from even the time that we filmed it.

[Brian Bishop]

Right.

[Stephen Mitchell]

So we kind of immortalized the family

[Brian Bishop]

in a lot of ways. Oh, absolutely. I mean, in a weird way, it's sort of your job. I mean, it is getting back to Elvis. Elvis has been dead for 30 years now, right? 30, yeah, they say 76. They say.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Although, no, it was 77.

[Brian Bishop]

Or 77.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Cause it was. Yeah, 77.

[Brian Bishop]

August.

[Stephen Mitchell]

August of 77.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, he will, he shall be dead in 30 years. So they say. They showed up at a Steelers game, I know that much. A few last season.

[Stephen Mitchell]

He might have even been out at Talahina recently too.

[Brian Bishop]

They say he's been dead for 30 years. But how many people have been exposed to Elvis Presley over the last 30 years? Well, millions and billions of people through footage, through archival footage, through movies, through sort of documentary stuff, through his music, through recordings basically of Elvis. I mean, every time you hear Heartbreak Hotel, he's alive, right? At least for that moment. Because while, and you know, if any of you are high on mushrooms, I freak out, but. And I don't want to sound, I don't want to get too heavy handed here, but he was alive when he recorded this thing that you're listening to in your car 40 years later. And thus he's alive in your brain. Right now.

[Stephen Mitchell]

And you're hitting on a point that dawned on me. I live in New York, but I landed here yesterday and was driving down to see some friends at the beach. And I was thinking the same exact thing. I was sort of like, wow, I've maybe done the same thing to some degree. Made a piece of art, a film that. Now that's gonna be here when I'm gone one day, or. It's an odd feeling a little bit. I mean, I'm sure you've, you know, you've done a lot of work already, like the, you know, entertainment work where you've been able to put your name on something. But I'm proud of that. I know it's.

[Brian Bishop]

It's interesting. And also, so I don't. You know, I have. When it comes to my family, they weren't shutterbugs, so no one had cameras or anything. They really could have fit in over there with the king.

[Stephen Mitchell]

You should bring them over for reunion sometime.

[Brian Bishop]

But, you know, I got a couple pictures. You know, back in the day, when my dad grew up in the south side of Philly, they would go up to the roof to take pictures. That's where they went. They'd have weddings on the roof. Everything took place on a roof, by the way. Not a good sign. That's a sort of. That is the creek version of the poor people. That was their city. Their creek was on the roof. But they go up to the roof and they take a picture. So it's like I see a picture of my dad, old black and white picture, wearing old sailor outfit when he was 9, you know, on the roof. But that was it. You know, I got three pictures of my dad when he was, you know, so my kids can enjoy a box set of the man show. I'm sure they'll never stop vomiting. But either way. Either way, they can have hundreds of hours of footage of their papa.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Sure.

[Brian Bishop]

Talking, whatever. And they'll have that, right? And I'm sure they'll never look at it. But if they ever want to know what pops look like at age 32, go ahead. You know what?

[Stephen Mitchell]

I think there's something to that. I think a lot of kids go through this, and maybe the boys did, too. And it was a great process for us in making the film, is that you do get to look back on all those old photos and footage and put it all together. And so for them, I think it was the similar kind of some discovery or maybe at the minimum, some reflection, like you're saying, of actually putting all those Things together and being, wow, look at dad when he was 17. Or mom when she's 19.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, they'll have that forever. And not only whatever is on the DVD, but the other 698 and a half hours of footage.

[Stephen Mitchell]

You should see some of our deleted

[Brian Bishop]

scenes that did not make it on. On there. To go ahead and go. Here's a couple of disks on a hard drive.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Don't watch, don't watch disc three and four until you're over 21.

[Brian Bishop]

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[Stephen Mitchell]

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[Brian Bishop]

When you.

[Stephen Mitchell]

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[Brian Bishop]

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[Stephen Mitchell]

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[Brian Bishop]

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[Stephen Mitchell]

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[Brian Bishop]

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[Stephen Mitchell]

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[Brian Bishop]

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[Stephen Mitchell]

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[Brian Bishop]

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[Stephen Mitchell]

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[Brian Bishop]

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[Stephen Mitchell]

Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

What's next? I mean, is it back to the music? You want to go, you want to do more documentaries? Do you have other ideas?

[Stephen Mitchell]

No, I don't want to. You know, you should never say never, as they say. But I don't see myself doing more music documentaries at this point and partly because I feel like maybe this is the best one I'm gonna be able to do. I know the boys, their family, the story really well, so I'm going to move on. I love sports. Football is my favorite sport. I don't have anything concrete lined up yet, but I would like to make a few more docs, maybe get into news journalism and so forth.

[Brian Bishop]

But you want to do something on football? Yeah. What would you. You have an angle?

[Stephen Mitchell]

I do.

[Brian Bishop]

I love me some football too.

[Stephen Mitchell]

I love football. It's. Honest to God. It's my. One of my favorite. Besides our previously aforementioned sex conversation, you know, it's my favorite thing in life.

[Brian Bishop]

Did you, did you play football?

[Stephen Mitchell]

I was very bad at it, but I. Well, I shouldn't say I was bad at it. I went to a medium, just like a prep school down in Florida and played. I think you played high school football too, right?

[Brian Bishop]

Yes.

[Stephen Mitchell]

You have to play offense, defense, special. You have to do everything. You don't come off the field if you're half any athletic ability.

[Brian Bishop]

So that if you're, if you're, if you go to a really big time high school program, there'll be an offense and a defense. If you go to a school that has a shitty program like North Hollywood High. Right. I played offense and I played defense and then I did the long snapping on the punts, the kickoff.

[Stephen Mitchell]

That's the job to have in the

[Brian Bishop]

NFL right there, points and all that. So only time I ever left was for kickoff and kick return. And we didn't do a lot of kicking off because we didn't do a whole lot of scoring. Yeah.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Right.

[Brian Bishop]

So it was really pretty much kick return is the only time I walked off the field. So I would just walk back and forth and just turn around. I liked it that way.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Yeah. Because you just, you don't ever cool down. You just keep going.

[Brian Bishop]

No. And it's like you want to be on the field. You know what I mean?

[Stephen Mitchell]

Who doesn't want to play at that age?

[Brian Bishop]

I was pissed that I wasn't on the kickoff and kick return team. But I figured out, you know what

[Stephen Mitchell]

though, that's d. That's the most dangerous thing in football. Those return. And I mean, that's how you get. That's how you get injured bad.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. Because you got a full head of steam. No, here's. Well, every Papa Warner coach ever told me this. Here's me. Get injured when you're going half speed. Yeah. And I was always like, how would you apply that to the road?

[Stephen Mitchell]

What was the other thing they used to say if you, if you think about getting hurt, you're gonna get hurt. It's like, what the hell are you talking about?

[Brian Bishop]

So you're saying if, if two cars were traveling 30 miles an hour and had a head on collision, that would be more dangerous than them going six. Two cars going 65 and having head on collision because that's full speed.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

There's.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Is that you there?

[Brian Bishop]

There's a picture. Me getting yelled at by Coach Burr. What grade is that? What is that now? See, it always. It goes.

[Adam Carolla]

Look at your coach's pants.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Those are rad white.

[Brian Bishop]

White bell bottoms. Yeah. We're in the blue Sun Valley Falcons jersey with the white slacks.

[Stephen Mitchell]

70. Your numbers.

[Crispin Glover]

What?

[Stephen Mitchell]

70.

[Brian Bishop]

I think it was 73. I was playing. I was the defensive captain back then. And I guess we were talking about running the six one versus the gap eight or the five, three, four, or, or whatever the fuck we were talking about. But see what that was is that was Pop Warner football. And out here you'd play Pop Warner football from. You could start at seven. I started at seven, went through the ninth grade. And then when you got to high school in the 10th grade, you would start playing high school football. They didn't have junior high tackle football.

[Stephen Mitchell]

See, we did down in Florida, which was great because I didn't start playing until I was in the seventh grade. I switched private schools, went to the school that had football. I wanted to play. And it was great because you were on a 7, 8, 9th grade team at that point. So it gives you a minute to, you know, get going and get acclimated. However, we were down so many guys that by the time I got bumped to the 10th grade team, you know, I was having to start in the 10th grade.

[Brian Bishop]

Right.

[Stephen Mitchell]

And you're not. Not ready.

[Brian Bishop]

No, no. I. I see was. I played seven years of Pop Warner before I got to high school, so I was like a grizzled veteran.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Yeah, you're like the old. The old man on the team.

[Brian Bishop]

I was like. I'd already sustained many injuries and concussions before I got to high school.

[Stephen Mitchell]

But don't you look back, though, and think about the concussions or the minor. You know, you had five minor concussions that no one. They said, oh, you're fine, you'll get paid back in there. And you're seeing stars and you just, you know, you've been ripped so many times.

[Brian Bishop]

I had regular concussions. Like, I had. I mean, this is back. I remember. Well, because I remember my mom freaking out because she hated football. But, I mean, I remember being taken out of a game and like, even. Even when they didn't know anything back in. This would have been in probably 1970,

[Stephen Mitchell]

and the helmets were of extreme high technology.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. Yeah. This is like 1978. Being pulled out of a game going, he got knocked out. Yeah. Like he's. And he should go to the hospital and get his. Checked out right back. Back in the day. Yeah. And. And don't let him fall asleep kind of thing. Like, I. I had a bunch of those because they tell you to hit with your head and. And then it was just sort of. But a lot of times it was just funny. Like, I got his bell rung.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Right. Don't you love that term? Got your bell rung. Got your bell rung means you got knocked the fuck out.

[Brian Bishop]

And when a guy stood up after getting his bell rung and started walking to the other team's huddle, everyone would laugh at him. Like, the guy literally got up, would stagger around and start walking the wrong direction. And people go, look at Johnson. He got his power Johnson.

[Crispin Glover]

Look at him.

[Brian Bishop]

He doesn't know where he is.

[Stephen Mitchell]

It was like a badge of honor or something.

[Brian Bishop]

But it was also like we were making fun of the guy for being concussed.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Meanwhile, he's, He's. His brain doesn't even work to this.

[Brian Bishop]

Fucking sad. I loved football. All I wanted to do was play football. That's all I thought about was football. That was the greatest thing in the world was football.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Isn't it still, though?

[Brian Bishop]

It's just. It is. It is in soccer socks. It sucks. I'll give you. I'll give you.

[Stephen Mitchell]

I mean, World cup was great this year.

[Brian Bishop]

That was.

[Stephen Mitchell]

I live in New York, so the bars were going bonkers and everybody's partying and what have you, but it's still not football. It's not American football.

[Brian Bishop]

Here's the thing about football. The first for me at least, and I'm guessing you could say it's for Stephen, too, the first time you put on the shoulder pads. Shoulder pads are the greatest invention ever. Oh, yeah. You could hit shoulder pads with a baseball bat and you don't even feel it. No, I mean, it is one of those things. There's a lot of things in life that don't really work that well. Shoulder pads aren't one of them.

[Stephen Mitchell]

No, they work.

[Brian Bishop]

They're called pads for your shoulders. And if I took a baseball bat and hit you in the shoulder, you'd go down.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Although I had to have surgery on this shoulder because the shoulder pads didn't work so well, Adam. So I don't know.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, that was probably not from. That was probably. I had a shoulder. I had my right shoulder dislocated, too. What. What happened to your shoulder?

[Stephen Mitchell]

I tore my labrum, actually. Not playing football. They think I had to get it fixed last year, and they think maybe I was. That you?

[Brian Bishop]

Wow. That's me. My shoulder pads from 1970.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Yours even had the kind. Look at that. Where you shoot the shoestring. Tying them together ordeal.

[Brian Bishop]

And. And I probably provided that. Yeah.

[Stephen Mitchell]

No neck brace for you, huh?

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, fuck. That's 1972.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Well, I was so scrawny playing. I played running back, and so I had to put elbow pads and neck brace, the whole thing to make myself look a little beefier.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, you had stuff. How old are you?

[Stephen Mitchell]

39 in December, so 38.

[Brian Bishop]

He had a little more equipment available. But you tore your shit. Not because someone hit your shoulder pad. You tore your shoulder doing something, right?

[Stephen Mitchell]

I think so. The doctor asked me, he said, did you play football? Yes. So he blames it on that. Oh, you had it all these years. I think I did it filming the band, to be honest with you.

[Brian Bishop]

The thing is with football, the first time you put your shoulder pad, the first time you put your helmet on, later on the neck roll and. Or toilet seat, as you used to call it, you put that on the first time for me. Now this is the greatest feeling in the world and something. It's funny because I talked to my dad a few months ago and I said, dad, you've never owned a pair of cleats, have you? And he said, no. And I said, you've never experienced the feeling of running on grass with cleats and cutting. It is a feeling that you can't really describe because you never get that feeling anywhere else. The greatest feeling in the world is putting on a Paris screw on spikes. Like, serious.

[Stephen Mitchell]

You had the old school serious, the steel where you can break people's.

[Brian Bishop]

It literally could change your spikes. And then getting taped up, spat style.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Oh, man.

[Brian Bishop]

Where they tape outside the cleats, you

[Stephen Mitchell]

have the black cleats like Walter Payton. Yeah, you look awesome.

[Brian Bishop]

Then you feel like your ankle and your foot and your shin are one piece at that point. They are, they are one piece. So you get the full spatted up. And what you do, I have a torn meniscus. It's a long story. What you do is you sit on the trainer's table and they hook a rope, a shoestring around your top cleat, just the one at the top. And you pull your top toe back toward you holding the string. And while you hold the string, the guy does the full spats outside of the sock out on top of the cleat. And then you hit the field and you start running and you feel like you could run up a wall if it was made of grass.

[Stephen Mitchell]

It's awesome, right?

[Brian Bishop]

You stop on a dime, you cut on a dime. It's like you do everything on a dime and it's like, it feels awesome. And then you get into that, you get into that you're playing linebacker and you've just called a blitz and it's third and seven and you know they're passing and you start creeping up between the, the gap between the guard and the center and you know you're going to take the quarterback head off and you've got your wrist tape and you got your cleats taped and you're all fucking padded up and your elbow pads are on and you're like, I'm just going to launch myself at this quarterback. And then you, and then somebody says, hey, how about you get these shiny shorts on and kick this ball around this never ending field and you're like, fuck that.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Well, yeah, that's the difference in the sport is there when you play football, like you say, you go out there, you feel like a gladiator or something, a warrior. And there's so much camaraderie with your teammates because it's physically dangerous, and it's scary.

[Brian Bishop]

You're in it together. Yeah. You're in the. The game I was concussed and knocked out of was a game. And. And by the way, you. You get life lessons that you. You don't get. Listen, I played baseball. Baseball was fun, but you don't get life lessons.

[Stephen Mitchell]

You do learn life lessons playing football.

[Brian Bishop]

We were. I played seven years of Pop Warner football. This was my last year. My first year, we stunk. My second year, we were undefeated all year and lost the championship game, which I was devastated by. I didn't think we could lose. I was eight years old.

[Stephen Mitchell]

You felt like your life ended.

[Brian Bishop]

I was chasing the ring ever since, and now I was. It was my bantam year, my final year of Pop Warner football, and we were good. And then there was a team called the North Valley Bears, and they were better. And we squared off in the middle of the season when we were both seven and. Oh, and they beat us up. And North Valley Bears were so good that they had a North Valley Bears gold team and a North Valley Bears, like, B team. Like, they had so many guys, which

[Stephen Mitchell]

was probably a good team, too.

[Brian Bishop]

They were good, too, but they had so many guys go out for the team that. That they actually started a second team. Yeah. And they were all black dudes and Hispanic dudes, and they were doing their doing. They're clapping. And when you're a white kid and

[Stephen Mitchell]

dudes, black dudes start clapping.

[Brian Bishop]

They're wearing their crazy corduroy slippers out there before they put their cleats on. And we were freaked out, and they were doing, we don't want no Black Eyed Peas. Hell no. And they're doing the whole thing, and we're like, holy, these guys are scary. And we played them the first game, and they just beat us up. Like, they won. They won, like, 21 to 6. But we got.

[Stephen Mitchell]

It was demoralizing loss.

[Brian Bishop]

Like, you play those teams where you go, these guys are fast off the ball. They hit. They keep hitting after the whistle. Even when the. Even when the play goes to the opposite. Opposite side of the field. Your guy still locked up with you, and he's trying to drive you in the ground. You're like, God, this guy's your coach.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Somebody's looking to blindside you.

[Brian Bishop]

And it's like. It's like I was playing middle linebacker, and they kept running this play where it was like. It was just basically like a draw, but the fullback would lead, and I have to come in and meet this guy. And he just ran me over and I was all fucked up. My back was fucked up. And I was like, oh, these guys are such badasses. So we had a playoff game, which is now we were going to meet the undefeated, like, 12 and oh. North Valley bears against us at 11 and 1.

[Stephen Mitchell]

It was. With your only loss being north, right,

[Brian Bishop]

to see who was going to play the Chatsworth Chiefs for the championship. Now, we'd already beaten the Chatsworth Chiefs fairly handily during the season. So it was one of these things where this is our Super Bowl.

[Stephen Mitchell]

This is the game.

[Brian Bishop]

If we get past the Bears, these are the two best teams in the. The Sun Valley Falcons, the North Valley Bears, they're undefeated. Between the two of us were 24 and one or something. And. And we've both teams have beaten the Chiefs already. The Chatsworth Chiefs. So we went out onto some rainy day on some shitty, like, field somewhere in the valley, and we just beat the shit out of you.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Did you really?

[Brian Bishop]

And I remember walking back to the huddle, like, every time, going just 2 yards, 2 yards. Just move the sticks, move the chains. Everyone fire off, fire off. Everyone take your man. Everyone, everyone. It's like this crazy team thing. Eventually I got knocked. Knocked out. And we ended up winning like, 13 to nothing.

[Stephen Mitchell]

So you were able on a. On a wet turf to slow them down.

[Brian Bishop]

And the whole team, it was just like we all came together. Like, everyone, look, look, they're bigger than us, they're faster than us, they're stronger than us, but we're going to outwork them and we're going to fucking hustle. And everybody do your job. And everyone like being the huddle. And it's like during the kickoff, you'd be on the sideline and you'd be yelling like, espinosa, I'm looking at you, man. You go down and hit somebody. Go down and I want to see you hit somebody. Like, everyone's up on their feet. It's this crazy thing. And we won. And then the Chiefs kicked the out of us in the super bowl two weeks later.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Emotional let down. Nobody gave a.

[Brian Bishop]

At that point, you know, it was total emotional letdown.

[Stephen Mitchell]

There we go. Yeah, there's a.

[Brian Bishop]

That. That's us losing your coach's patch, too.

[Stephen Mitchell]

I like that on the coach ste.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, that's us losing money.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Kind of have like the USC look there a little.

[Brian Bishop]

We're the Trojans back then. So. Yeah, the. The Chatsworth Chiefs had a dude who was a ringer running back who didn't make weight.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Wow.

[Brian Bishop]

For the first time we played him, but the second time in the super bowl, he was there.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Wow.

[Brian Bishop]

And he ran right and kicked the out of us. And we left it all on the field with the North Valley Golden Bears.

[Stephen Mitchell]

But you know what? At least you did kick their ass.

[Brian Bishop]

And we kicked their ass and we all came together. And that's what you get in football, that camaraderie.

[Stephen Mitchell]

It's camaraderie. It's like your own little bat Italian or something or your, your coaches, your. Your general, you know, are you right. Like I got a chance to meet the. The boys. Follow up boys are big Sooner fans, right? So I got a chance Oklahoma.

[Gina Grad]

Yeah.

[Stephen Mitchell]

So I've gotten a chance to meet like Bosworth and coach Switzer. And when you go to coach Switzer's house, you know, I got a chance to sit with him. You know, you want a beer? Of course you want a beer. But you're like, is he going to make me drop and give him 50? I'll do it if he wants me. Sure. It's still good. Got that, you know, coach thing going.

[Brian Bishop]

And there's the bond that you had with those guys that never go away. Just like the veterans have with the guys during the platinum.

[Stephen Mitchell]

I think it's my 20th year high school reunion or whatever that is is coming up this summer. And the only reason I'm going is because of the guys on the team I want to see. Other than that I don't give a

[Brian Bishop]

and schle and do a settle score on some missed out on.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Yeah, no kidding.

[Brian Bishop]

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[Stephen Mitchell]

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[Brian Bishop]

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[Stephen Mitchell]

Yeah, yeah, I really would like to.

[Brian Bishop]

But what do you want to do that hasn't been done well, meaning as

[Stephen Mitchell]

far as, like, why everybody would want

[Crispin Glover]

to do a football.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, it's like, you see, you see Hard Knocks training camp and you go

[Stephen Mitchell]

like, and that's, you know, I know exactly. And see, what I would like to really do is there's, I think that player coach relationship is something that I'd like to explore because as you know, your coach is almost, he is almost like a father figure out there or a general. For a lot of guys growing up, that's the guy they look up to.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, for me, I didn't have much of a relationship with my dad and instead I had my coaches. And they were the ones you wanted to make them proud. You didn't want to disappoint them. And they became this voice. For me, it was discipline instability in a chaotic family environment.

[Stephen Mitchell]

And on top of it, you're a teenager and going through so much or growing up, so you've got all that in a melting pot. And maybe your coach and I don't know if it changes when you go to college or even the, maybe the pros are different now, but I think it's still in college. There's some of this. But that, that guy, the coach can oftentimes be the difference of not only you having a great career playing, but if you develop skills outside of football and become a grown man and able to successfully move on in your life.

[Brian Bishop]

Sure. You know, well, the thing that is funny because you brought up Switzer and I saw the 30 for 30 mark Marcus Dupre story and you know, Marcus Dupree was a high school phenom and was recruited by every, every school in the country and ended up at Oklahoma and good guy, but not, you know, these guys aren't, they're not prepared for what's coming at them. And Switzer basically said in the 30 for 30 that he made a mistake with Dupree.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Right.

[Brian Bishop]

He, he, that Dupree was a phenom, right? And he was trying to do that tough love thing with him, but sometimes you can go a little too tough with your love.

[Stephen Mitchell]

It didn't work for Dupree, obviously, but the other guy that I mentioned, who I've gotten to know through all this, Bosworth, he's a good example of the other side of that, you know, here. Coach Switzer went down to Texas, down in Dallas, recruited him, went into his high school with a fur coat on and sunglasses and waving his championship rings and kind of tagged him and said, man, you're. I'm going to make you the captain of my team as a freshman, and let's go. And really empowered that. The tough love in his case saying, I'm picking you. Let's go, and you're the man to do the job. And he responded, obviously.

[Brian Bishop]

So, yeah, I think the problem with Dupree is they kind of were trying to keep him grounded a little bit, right? And there's this thing. It happens in a lot of relationships, and I don't recommend it. Where you. You go, okay, this guy's a big star, but don't treat him like a big star, because it'll get to his head.

[Stephen Mitchell]

He was a fucking big star.

[Brian Bishop]

But you know what? If you are a big star and you're getting treated like the equipment manager, you're not gonna be happy.

[Stephen Mitchell]

No, I mean, I think there are certain people. David Bowie calls him like, the light people or something like that, but they're just people that are not normal people. They're special individuals. They're unique beings. You can tell when they walk in the room. You know it.

[Brian Bishop]

Right? And Dupree, was that on the football field?

[Stephen Mitchell]

That's bad, man.

[Brian Bishop]

And. And Switzer probably. And probably will admit this, probably should

[Stephen Mitchell]

have treated him differently, maybe coddled him a little bit.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, the thing about football is you go, hey, man, it's a team, and everyone has to follow the same rules, and everyone has to same code of conduct and the same whatever. And the sad part is, that's not totally true. If you have Lawrence Taylor on your team, then he gets to go out and fuck hookers and do blow the night before the Super Bowl.

[Stephen Mitchell]

And he gets to start and parcel says, you ready to go?

[Brian Bishop]

Right, Right.

[Stephen Mitchell]

I know it's kind of. Oh, there we go. There's. There's Dupree right there. Look at those glasses in the fro, man. See that game right there? That Fiesta bowl, if you remember from the doc and the history about it, I think he Played half the game, had like 11, 13 carries, something like that, for outrageous 250 or 300 yards.

[Brian Bishop]

He basically set the Fiesta bowl record, I think, with like 242 yards or something like that, playing essentially a half of football.

[Stephen Mitchell]

And that's a large man right there.

[Brian Bishop]

And he was a little bit larger, too, because he put on a little bit of weight over the. Over the holidays. But the point is, is he could have run for 350 yards during the Fiesta bowl and had one of those records that would never be beaten.

[Stephen Mitchell]

And he would have been on the same teams with Troy Aikman, who was starting at quarterback at that time.

[Brian Bishop]

For ucla.

[Stephen Mitchell]

No, at Oklahoma first.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, that's right.

[Stephen Mitchell]

See, Troy started at Oklahoma and Dupree would have been.

[Brian Bishop]

And then went to ucla.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Aikman gets hurt during the Miami game their sophomore year and breaks his leg or whatever it is. Jamel Holloway comes in, that's the end of that, and he transfers over to ucla.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. Great stories. And it is one of these things where, you know, there's Marcus Dupree, who's more gifted probably even than Troy Aikman.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Right.

[Brian Bishop]

And the only reason I say that is because nobody was more gifted than Marcus Dupree. Right. And he, you know, signs a USFL thing and ends up making a little bit of money that's all gone, that they take from him almost immediately and is now living in a shitty shack in Mississippi.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Well, supposedly he's back doing, like, car commercials in Oklahoma now. And, you know, the whole. Whatever. It's made him a star again, obviously,

[Brian Bishop]

the 30 for 30. But the point is, is Troy Aikman was able to cash quite a few more checks in the NFL than Marcus Dupree ever, ever did.

[Stephen Mitchell]

I think. You know what it is, Adam? I think it comes down to your. That what you're hitting on is the same thing with bands. Or you can have talent and you. But it's the. The work ethic, the desire, and then a little bit of luck and timing, too.

[Brian Bishop]

Sure. You're going to get a couple freakish knee injury when you're 19 and a half. What are you gonna do? Is the game right? And you want to keep going with that. Any one of us could be cleaned out by a drunk driver any time. So to say that there's not a little dash of luck involved with just seeing your 40th birthday. Yeah. Is. You'd be.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Or maybe you could get a little deeper and it might be too little too deep, but maybe there's some destiny in there. Too. And some people, like I said, are just meant to take those paths in life. I think there's a little bit of, there's a little rhyme to the reason.

[Brian Bishop]

I think, I think my sort of philosophy is you make your own luck. The part about the drunk driver or the brain tumor that you cannot control, and for things you can't control, you should just go ahead and remove them from your desk blotter. Like, look, brain tumors and drunk drivers, you can't control that. You can't control being hit by lightning or not. You can leave the golf course once the storm blows in, but if you're just gonna get hit, you're gonna get hit.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Like the dude that got hit seven times in American history.

[Adam Carolla]

You heard about this?

[Brian Bishop]

Yes. What's his deal? He must have raped a child.

[Stephen Mitchell]

He did something.

[Brian Bishop]

Some point. The point, the point is, is go ahead and get rid of the part where you're either blessed or cursed. I mean, go ahead and get rid of the lottery part of life where you win the lottery because you ain't going to do that. And go ahead and get rid of the part where you get the massive brain tumor for no reason because it's probably neither one of them's a likelihood.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Right?

[Brian Bishop]

And then now focus on the hard work that's in the middle.

[Stephen Mitchell]

And Caleb talks about that, if you remember at the end of the film saying basic, in, in essence, in a, in a nutshell, more or less. It doesn't matter where you came from or what your backstory was.

[Brian Bishop]

Certainly not with them.

[Stephen Mitchell]

No, but I mean, you got to go out and make your way.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, if you take music and you take football, I mean, whether you take Dupree or you take Michael Irvin or whoever you're talking about, I mean, you're talking about 11 Michael Irvin. You're talking about 11 brothers and sisters and a mama working five jobs and all that kind of shit. So, I mean, every boxer that's ever strapped on, laced up some gloves has not come from Beverly Hills or the Palisades area or the, you know, or Manhattan. I mean, these guys come from.

[Stephen Mitchell]

So they want, they want it more obviously when you're down a little bit, like, you know, you want to get

[Brian Bishop]

out there and go make something, you're not going to go through what Mike Tyson went through if you come from a rich family in an air conditioned house. But I'm just saying, whether it be rock and roll or sports, there's never been two greater examples of who cares where you started, right? Because that has nothing to do with no successful band. Had a dad who was the president of Geffen Records or nobody who made it in the NFL. Had a dad who owned a team franchise, you know, owned the Giants or the Jerry Jones.

[Stephen Mitchell]

You still have to go earn your way.

[Brian Bishop]

Absolutely.

[Stephen Mitchell]

I mean, that's the misconception, I think to a lot of people that have success in life, probably you run into this as well, or I know the boys do, or a lot of athletes. People have a misnomer that these things. Oh, it just happened. I got news for you. Tom Brady's up at 6am heading over there, lifting weights and watching film when he could be in bed with Gisele.

[Brian Bishop]

Absolutely.

[Stephen Mitchell]

I mean, I would probably.

[Brian Bishop]

What an asshole.

[Stephen Mitchell]

What a dick.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. No, it's true. They do it. There's a showbiz version of it of Lucky Break.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

It's who, you know, timing right place at the right time. They even say in show business constantly, what was your big break? What was your big break? Where'd you get your big break? Who's your big break? Like they're essentially saying, you didn't have a whole lot to do with this. You got a break. Right, A break. The definition of getting a break is a cop going, you know what? You're legally drunk, but I'm gonna let you drive home anyway.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Even though you have an 8 8th bag in the glove compartment.

[Gina Grad]

Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

You got an 8 ball in the glove compartment and I'm letting you drive home. That's a break.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Right.

[Brian Bishop]

This is not a break. And people should stop saying it that way. And when it comes to sports, they do it with. Well, it's God given ability. God given ability. God given ability. You know, how many guys have God given ability and never make it to the show? Yeah. And by the way, how much God given abilities. Tom Brady have? A lot less than a lot of other dudes who never made it to the show.

[Stephen Mitchell]

But he wants it worse than.

[Brian Bishop]

Maybe that's. Maybe that's his God.

[Stephen Mitchell]

I think that is. That is a great way to put it, Adam, because anybody. I mean, Caleb's got a huge voice, but he also wants it bad, you know, and you got to step out and go. You got to step out. You got to go, get out there and play. Put yourself out. Make mistakes.

[Brian Bishop]

Every story. And this is the, you know, I don't know. Here's, you know, your next documentary is every one of these guys busted their ass. And it's the part that society is not interested in because it's the part that shames Society, you see, it's easy to go, oh, that guy's got God given ability, or, oh, that guy's just funny, or, oh, that guy can just sing like an angel. And what they don't want to do is admit how hard these guys work. Because if you did recognize how hard all these guys work to get where they were, you then would have to look in the mirror and go, maybe I'm not working as hard as I should be working.

[Stephen Mitchell]

There's a reason, like, we just keep circling around. There's the people that do really well in life. It's not an accident. Sure, there's that break part of it, but I think a better way to term what was your break? What was your, you know, what was your first opportunity to take advantage of is probably a better way to say it. Meaning, sure, everybody's got to get some moment so they can say, step out and do it. But you know, you got then what, you have to go do it.

[Brian Bishop]

I know. And it's just like that. Years from now, maybe months from now, when you're a massive director writer, I would say months, months from now, hours from now, people are going to go, oh, well, you knew the Kings of Leon, so. Oh, so you had an in. Oh, so your break was your first

[Stephen Mitchell]

film you got to do because you

[Brian Bishop]

knew, because you were at the company and you were doing this when those guys, so they'll treat it like it was dropped in your lap when the reality is you said, no, I'm going to do this. And thus you did it. All right, Stephen Mitchell, everyone. The documentary is called Talihina Sky. It's awesome, it's compelling. It debuts this Sunday, August 21st, and at 10pm on Showtime Time. And I recommend it highly. I saw it last night, enjoyed the bejesus out of it. You can check it out online at. It's T A L I H I N A Sky dot com. And also if you'd like to support us, if you want to help us, if you like what you hear and you want to give back, you can check us out. If you're going to buy something on Amazon, support us by clicking through our website, go to AdamCarolla.com, hit the banner, and then go get whatever the hell you're gonna go get on Amazon and keep supporting the show using our link. Man. Also, my book, I should tell everyone out in paperback. I just got into the black with the book.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Nice.

[Brian Bishop]

Which is nice. Which now I get like a buck 25 for every one of those bad boys we sell.

[Stephen Mitchell]

So it's do I have to buy one today?

[Brian Bishop]

You gotta buy one. I want my. Or you can just give me a $20.

[Stephen Mitchell]

I'll do that.

[Brian Bishop]

I'll give you one. So if you haven't got the book or you're thinking about getting the book, please go out and grab it and enjoy it and go to, go to Amazon if you like and you can check out the five star rating and get back to me. I think you will enjoy it. Also. Frank Stallone on basic cable commentary. Kerry now up and running the Specialists. It's Frank Stallone talking about his brother's movie in his brother's voice.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Does his brother know about this?

[Brian Bishop]

Yes. Frank sent me an email saying he spoke to his brother about it the other day. It was sort of sad. He said, I talked to Sly today.

[Stephen Mitchell]

Like he doesn't normally.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, the thing that was sad about it, he said, I spoke to Sly today. He called me. It was my birthday.

[Stephen Mitchell]

That's the only reason, buddy.

[Brian Bishop]

That's what it seemed like to me. All right, so until next time, this is Adam Carolla for Stephen Mitchell saying mahalo.

[Giovanni]

All right, that was Adam Carolla show 630 with Stephen Mitchell, 2011. That is it for today's cruel classics. Make sure to tune tomorrow for an all new installment. Until then, holler and get it on.

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