Dan Abrams: Why People Hate Cops & What the Media Gets Wrong

Summary

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The Adam Carolla Show: Dan Abrams on Policing, Media Narratives, and Culture Clashes

Episode Date: March 17, 2026
Guest: Dan Abrams
Notable Segments: In-depth discussion on "why people hate cops," media distortions about law enforcement, society’s view of authority, cultural phenomena, and reflections on late night TV and true crime fandom.

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Adam Carolla welcomes journalist, TV host, and legal analyst Dan Abrams for a candid conversation about American attitudes towards police, media responsibility in reporting, and much more. The discussion weaves through policing realities, media bias, Dan’s ventures (including his new restaurant), true crime obsessions, and both men's shared frustrations and observations about contemporary culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dan Abrams’ Career Path and Work Balance

Timestamps: 02:38–04:11

• Dan reflects on his varied media projects from "On Patrol Live" to his restaurant, SiriusXM show, and legal commentary.
• Dan Abrams (03:21):

  "Life takes you in interesting directions... I'm trying to make sure that all the stuff is stuff that I really am passionate about and passionate about on a daily basis."

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2. On Patrol Live vs. Traditional Cop Shows

Timestamps: 04:11–05:35

• Dan explains how "On Patrol Live" offers real-time, transparent, and less sensationalized views of police work, compared to “COPS,” which was more of a highlight reel.
• Dan Abrams (04:20):

  "This is like watching between 8 and 10 departments in real time... You see everything from uncertainty to occasional danger to occasional boredom. It's a little bit of everything."

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3. Changes in Public Attitude Toward Police

Timestamps: 05:35–07:02

• Adam reminisces about historic deference to police versus today’s confrontations; cites clips of kids encouraged to disrespect officers.

• Adam posits that nearly all police shootings could be avoided with 100% compliance.

• Adam Carolla (06:11):

  "Every once in a while, seeing footage of getting some 8 or 9 year old kid into the act... Have we lost it as a society?"

• Dan Abrams (07:02):

  "It's incredibly rare that a police officer ever fires his or her weapon in the line of duty, ever... sometimes the news media portrayal of cops... is completely separated from the reality of what actually happens."

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4. Media Narratives and Selective Coverage

Timestamps: 08:10–12:26

• Adam criticizes news outlets for only highlighting racially sensitive police shootings while burying others (i.e., the Daniel Shaver case, Mesa AZ).
• Adam Carolla (10:04):

  "It's the worst cop shooting ever in history and no one knows the story 'cause it was a white guy who got shot... So then CNN didn't care."

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5. Running a Restaurant in Today’s Regulatory Climate

Timestamps: 12:26–18:59

• Dan discusses opening Danny’s, his first fully-owned restaurant, and the relentless health and licensing codes contrasted with lax enforcement for LA street food vendors.
• Dan Abrams (13:39):

  "They do these surprise visits, right, where they just show up and start assessing... Fortunately we got an A."

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6. Society’s Diminished Civility & Entitlement

Timestamps: 18:59–24:30

• Both reflect on entitlement and abuse faced by workers in customer service jobs—mirroring disrespect towards police.

• Dan Abrams (18:59):

  "There's something about this that reminds me of the way sometimes people treat cops..."

• Adam draws an analogy to people attacking the "messenger," be it police enforcing laws or a cashier delivering bad news.

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7. Cops as Law Enforcers, Not Lawmakers

Timestamps: 24:30–26:10

• Dan calls out "sovereign citizens" and the disconnect between policy/gripes and police roles.
• Dan Abrams (24:30):

  "People feel like they got their law degree at U of Tube... Cops say, 'We're enforcing the laws. Don't like it? Talk to legislature.'"

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8. The Female Fascination with True Crime

Timestamps: 26:10–33:02

• Discussion on women’s obsession with true crime, "feeling out loud," and the psychology behind it.

• Dan Abrams (27:26):

  "What I think women in particular like about true crime is... It's like a puzzle. And you're putting it together and trying to figure out, does this match up?"

• Breakdown of the Scott Peterson case’s media appeal, where the “good-looking,” “normal” suspect drew added intrigue.

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9. When Noble Advocacy Becomes Grift

Timestamps: 33:02–36:41

• Adam and Dan lament how originally principled organizations (ACLU, Sierra Club, BLM) often drift to self-serving, politicized entities.
• Dan Abrams (34:19):

  "Organizations that do important work... have to be so careful... to stay out of the most politicized cases."

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10. Standing By Principle: The Floyd Abrams Example

Timestamps: 36:41–39:43

• Dan shares how his father, Floyd Abrams, a storied First Amendment lawyer, lost favor with the ACLU after upholding principles over popularity/cause.
• Dan Abrams (37:41):

  "He represented Mitch McConnell for free... He believed it was a free speech issue and he still does."

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11. Hollywood & Political Self-Censorship

Timestamps: 39:43–41:40

• Discussion of Hollywood’s left-leaning monoculture, courage required for public conservative stances, and entertainment market “voids” for alternate viewpoints.
• Adam Carolla (42:55):

  "If everyone is serving Italian food, then let's open a Mexican food place... Gutfeld isn't better, just a needed alternative."

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12. Late Night TV: Political Shift & Decline of Variety

Timestamps: 41:40–47:32

• Reflections on the transition of late night from comedy to political advocacy, budget disparities, and personal anecdotes about swag and green rooms.
• Dan Abrams (44:21):

  "The late night shows have become so political... all of that's gone at this point."

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13. News Headlines and Advocacy Journalism

Timestamps: 82:05–89:13

• Adam criticizes media for reporting like advocates/lawyers for criminals in certain headlines (e.g., soft-pedaling violence or terrorism stories), especially among progressive female journalists.
• Adam Carolla (98:41):

  "When you see news outlets doing that, then that's what an advocate for the murderer would do. So they're more like, I'm a lawyer for this person than a journalist."

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14. Contemporary Cultural Issues & the Oscars

Timestamps: 54:01–81:25

• Banter about the Academy Awards, Hollywood virtue signaling (e.g., male brooches, ‘woke’ themes), and Adam’s family’s quirky relationship with the Oscars.
• Analysis of Best Picture winners, the disconnect between cultural signaling and genuine artistic merit.
• Adam Carolla (79:01):

  "Boogie Nights doesn't get an Academy Award, and a shitty movie like One Battle After Another does. But that's only because of its stupid woke racist theme."

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15. Caitlin Clark, WNBA, and Race/Gender Media Takes

Timestamps: 92:27–94:09

• Adam and Rudy discuss Caitlin Clark's impact on women’s basketball, the league’s inability to support its stars, and racial/political subtexts in sports media.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Adam Carolla (08:10):

  “If you just reported everything equally, then people would have some context… But they only go one direction.”

• Dan Abrams (23:20):

  “These are people who are pissed off at their own lives… and they decide to take it out on people that they interact with.”

• Dan Abrams (44:49):

  “Gutfeld is an enormous success in the TV world and there's no catering and there's no gift basket, no bathrobes, no mugs, no totes.”

• Adam Carolla (90:16):

  "I love the guys who interview these nut jobs. Hold on. Let me adjust my brooch..."

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:38 - Opening with Dan Abrams on his career shifts
• 04:20 - "On Patrol Live" vs. "COPS"
• 07:02 - Myths versus reality: police use of force
• 10:04 - Media selects which police shootings get national traction
• 12:26 - Dan’s restaurant venture (Danny’s in NYC)
• 26:10 - Why women are obsessed with true crime
• 34:19 - Drift of advocacy organizations
• 37:41 - Floyd Abrams, ACLU, and principled legal stances
• 42:55 - Alternative media as response to Hollywood monoculture
• 54:01 - Adam's family and the Oscars; “ruining” cultural traditions
• 79:01 - Critique of Oscar winner’s quality vs. message
• 82:05 - Public relations smear campaigns (Rebel Wilson segment)
• 89:13 - Media headlines that advocate for criminals
• 92:27 - Caitlin Clark, WNBA, and race/politics in sports

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Tone and Style

• True to Adam Carolla’s signature: blunt, irreverent, comedy-infused with both cynicism and hard-won wisdom.
• Dan Abrams’ responses are measured, factual, but warmly conversational.
• The episode oscillates between sharp cultural critique, wry humor, and spicy media industry analysis—anchored by personal and professional anecdotes.

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This summary covers the heart of the episode, capturing its major discussions, quotable moments, and providing the context and flow necessary for listeners to follow along and appreciate the dialogue without the need to hear the full broadcast.

Transcript

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From Corolla 1 Studios in Glendale, California, this is the Adam Carolla Show. Adam's guest today from on Patrol Live, Dan Abrams. Plus the news with Rudy Pavage. And now Adam Corolla.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, get it on. Got to get it on. No choice but to get on. Mandate you get it on. Dan Abrams back on the show On Patrol, name of one of his latest ventures. Well, it's been around a little while. It airs live every Friday and Saturday night from 9pm till 12am Eastern time on reels with a Z. Good to see you, Dan.

[Dan Abrams]

Good to be back with you, Adam.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, interesting. And I'm just looking down at your bio and I'm looking at a restaurant and NYC and all the sort of true crime stuff and all that. It's a weird. You probably never assume this is where you're gonna end up, right?

[Dan Abrams]

No, no, look, you know, life takes you in interesting directions. Right. And you know, what I've tried to do is make sure that I'm enjoying what I'm doing at this point in my life. I mean, and that I'm managing it. I mean, for example, I don't do the News Nation show anymore. Not because I didn't enjoy doing it. I did, but it was taking up more than half my day. And I'm still with ABC News, and I still host shows for A and E, and I still have my Sirius radio show, and I have On Patrol Live, and I have a restaurant, and I have. You know, it's just. It was just too much stuff. And I'm really, you know, at a point where I'm trying to make sure that all the stuff is stuff that I really are passionate about and passionate about on a. On a daily basis.

[Adam Carolla]

The cops. Well, we should get into cops. And boy, what it's like being a cop these days. It's so insane.

[Dan Abrams]

Well, but that's kind of the cool thing about On Patrol Live. It's not like the show Cops, right? Cops is like a highlight reel, right? It was like, here's some crazy stuff that happened with police officers.

[Rudy Pavich]

Boom, boom.

[Dan Abrams]

With music. And this, this is like watching between 8 and 10 departments in real time. So it's like watching walking up on a traffic stop where the cop doesn't know exactly who's in the car, has to approach the vehicle in a particular way. Other calls, you know, they get a domestic call, right. 99.9% of the time, these domestic calls are separate them. But you know what? In that.01% of times, they're the most dangerous calls that cops can have. And so we're looking at it through the, you know, the eyes of the cops as they're out there. And if, look, if you appreciate what our cops do every day, the show's interesting. If you don't, I think that it probably will make you appreciate better what our cops deal with every day in terms of everything from the uncertainty to the occasional danger to the occasional heroism to the occasional boredom. I mean, it's like a little bit of everything.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, okay, I have a million thoughts. When I was young, if I was, like, in my car with the windows rolled up and a cop drove by, I would turn the stereo down, like, almost just reflexively, like, oh, it's a cop. And by the way, if I was smoking a joint, I would eat the joint when the cop drove past.

[Dan Abrams]

By the way, we see that happen a lot on the show, by the way, people try and eat. They get pulled over and suddenly the cops like, hey man, let me see. And you see all the green coming out of their mouth like they tried to eat the wheat.

[Adam Carolla]

But now we got cops and people are throwing snowballs at him and jumping up and down on the hood of the car and dumping buckets of water on them. And I'll tell you the heartbreaking one for me. Every once in a while, seeing footage of getting some 8 or 9 year old kid into the act of throwing the snowball at the cop or dumping water on him or going up and kicking him in the shin. And it's like, God, have we lost it as a society? And then also to everyone, I would say almost 100% of cop shootings would go away if there was 100% compliance, if they literally just complied. It's extremely and exquisitely rare that someone gets hurt or killed with 100% compliance.

[Dan Abrams]

Well, that's true. And you know what else is true is that it is incredibly rare that a police officer ever fires his or her weapon in the line of duty. Ever. Right. People think of, oh, you know, the cops, they go around shooting their. The reality is it's something like, you know, it's below 30% of police officers in their entire career having ever fired their weapon in the line of duty. And it's just a reminder that, you know, sometimes the news media portrayal of cops tends to be officer involved shooting. Right. Every once in a while there'll be a local story about heroism, which is great, but they tend to be local, they tend to be small. The big national stories involve police officer involved shooting, typically situation where particular community is upset or angry at police officer. And then these wild stereotypes come out about cops and this and that, and it is completely separated from the reality of what actually happens.

[Adam Carolla]

No, I completely agree. And I feel like news outlets are complicit in this because they sort of stoke the flames. And it's kind of two ways. One is going way over the top with the certain community officer shooting. And then the other one, there's two ways you can. Okay, I have a sister. I don't know if you have a brother or sister.

[Dan Abrams]

I have a sister.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Okay, you have a sister. There's two ways I can make a point by saying dad and mom like her better than me. One is I can tell you all the times they took her to Disneyland. And the other is ignoring any of the times they took me to Disneyland. It's kind of two. You have to do two things. So you have to take Black folk getting shot by white cops and talk about it endlessly. But if there's ever a white guy that's shot by a white cop or a black cop or just a white guy got shot, you bury that. You never bring it up. So now you have a narrative. If you just reported everything equally, then people would have some context or not at all. But they only go one direction. The worst shooting. That's interesting, I haven't brought up in a long time, Dawson, what was Mark Geragas guy? Was it Shaver in New Mexico? And I don't know if it's Daniel Shaver. I don't know. The worst cop shooting of all time, I mean literally by a landslide. Was this guy, was it Daniel Shaver? Was Daniel Shaver who was. And do you know this story out of New Mexico? I think it was New Mexico, could have been Arizona.

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Is that Mesa, Arizona at La Quinta Inn?

[Adam Carolla]

Is that story familiar to you, Dan?

[Dan Abrams]

No.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. Because the news didn't cover it and I won't show you the footage because it's gruesome. But this guy, he, his job was to kill birds with like a pellet gun at big box stores. He would, like, I don't know, you know, pigeons would get in and live in the rafters or whatever. And he had like a pellet gun and he would, he would, he would, he would, he would go, he would exterminate them with the pellet gun. And somebody saw him and his pellet gun like through a window at a La Quinta inn and called the cops. And the SWAT team showed up and they banged on the door and they said like, come out. And he didn't really know what was going on cuz he didn't understand what was going on. He was just wearing no shirt and basketball trunks and he came out into the hallway and the SWAT team told him to lay down on his belly. He wasn't holding a gun, he didn't have anything. He just laid down in the hallway and. And they start giving him weird competing commands like crawl toward me, but put your hands up, crawl toward me. And he's laying on the ground sobbing for his life. Like literally, I don't know what's going on, I don't know what I did, I'm not doing anything. And they were screaming at him the whole time. And eventually they just blew him away. And he was on his belly in a hallway of a hotel room with nothing near him, just wearing shorts and they blew him away. And the cops didn't do any time. It's the worst cop shooting ever in history and no one knows the story cuz it was like a white guy got shot. So then CNN didn't care. I'll put it to you that way. And it's not. I'm not trying to turn this into a racial thing, but I am just saying if CNN is not gonna report the worst cop shooting and only do these, then you're going to give the nation a idea of something that isn't so and that's what you've done. And then actually you'll cause more problems. All right, I'll get off my high horse for a second. Dan, you do about everything, write books. But I didn't know about the restaurateur part.

[Dan Abrams]

Yeah, I've been involved in a couple restaurants in the past in New York and this is the first one I've started by myself. So this one is just me and it's called. It's called Danny's. And that was had. I had to be convinced to call it that. But anyway. But yeah, it's an American. An all American wine list. In New York, we only serve American wine. Make America grape again. And that's not actually our motto, but I've always thought that that's funny. It is, but, but, but yeah, we serve a great sort of, you know, mix of crispy rice, tuna and classic American dishes. And it's fun. Look, I only looked near my house. I only looked within a quarter mile of where I live and found the space, found a great chef and GM and was off to the races.

[Adam Carolla]

I just couldn't imagine doing that for a business. It just sounds. The margin sounds so tight. It's, you know, they are all the licensing and all the city and all the health commissioner coming in and measuring the temperature of your mayonnaise every 20 minutes.

[Dan Abrams]

It's exactly right. No, you're exactly right. They come in and everything is about the temperature of this and that. And we just had the Department of Health in and they do these surprise visits, right, where they just show up and they start assessing like, you know, where was their open food and what was it next do? And this, you know, fortunately we got an A. But it was. But look, it is constantly putting out fires.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh my God. And staff, I mean, when you open in a world where people don't want to work anymore.

[Dan Abrams]

Well, I got to tell you, people who work in the restaurant industry work their butts off.

[Adam Carolla]

I know.

[Dan Abrams]

You know, like the people, everyone from the kitchen to the front of staff, they are hustlers, man. They are working hard. And it's something to see when you see how many hours without a break a lot of these people are working.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm going to talk to my staff here for a second, Andrew. Something popped in my head, which is. I liked a tweet, might just be up on the Internet, but it was essentially an LA is one of these street vendors. But it's now at the point where Guy basically opened a Chipotle on a sidewalk. Like, it's literally tins of beef and chicken and pork, and you're just going to like. It's. They're literally opening a restaurant on the sidewalk. And every time I think about the codes and the health inspectors and measuring the mayonnaise and, you know, you left the pickles out ten minutes too long. And then I realized it's that or you can just start serving food on the sidewalk and the health inspector walk past you on the way to Danny's place so they can see if they can bust you with a code violation. Right?

[Dan Abrams]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what the requirements are, if there are any for the. I've got to believe that they've got some level of.

[Adam Carolla]

You think. No, no, listen, first off. No, in what universe could you sell chicken on the street with some inspection or some level of something? There isn't anything. Not in Los Angeles. Now, listen, if you are in New York and you got the falafel wagon, you know, maybe you gotta get a business license. This is. I'll show this to you, Dan.

[Dan Abrams]

All right, I believe it.

[Adam Carolla]

This is.

[Dan Abrams]

I mean, look. Yeah, I mean, I'm. You know, I. I've eaten from these street vendors for a lot of years.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, like I said, New York has all the wagons and they seem to have at least business licenses. This is just la. This is just out on the street. This is van eyes.

[Dan Abrams]

Okay, sorry. That's different. What you're showing now is different than what I was. I'm picturing, like, actually official news.

[Adam Carolla]

No, no, that's some people.

[Dan Abrams]

You're talking about some folks setting up a kitchen outside and just saying, hey, you want to join my barbecue? But pay for it. I get it. That's different.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. This is people just out on the street in Van Nuys just doing Chipotle style. You want some rice? You want the pinto beans, you want the refried beans? And they're just.

[Dan Abrams]

Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, that's the equivalent in New York is we have people who chop up mango and they sell the. Yes, the chopped mango. And I Always. You know, on the one hand, I love a good mango, and on the other hand, I think to myself, you know, I have no idea where this actually came from.

[Adam Carolla]

But, yeah, no, no, they listen. First off, the guy's got a rusty machete. They do it over here, too. They're whacking up. It's a weird relationship that people have with food because this guy just got himself a whole Chipotle deal over here. Probably saved $6 or $4 or whatever it is, but I don't know. Isn't that the best four bucks you're ever going to spend? Y Not eating off the street.

[Dan Abrams]

It's funny. My partner and I always have debates about ordering sushi, right? Because she insists on ordering from places that have, like, a really nice restaurant involved with it, and she won't order sushi from a place that's like a kind of hole in the wall. And I'm like, come on, if the sushi's fresh and it tastes good, like, what's the. Who knows if the. The nice place is actually that clean in the kitchen? You don't know, right? Why? And we have these. These debates about where to order from for that exact reason.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I'm picturing the restaurants and the guys standing and cooking. And I mean, I've been behind the scenes because I do a lot of comedy clubs, and comedy clubs are just restaurants. You know, that. So, you know, and those guys and women standing there, I mean, I work the grill at McDonald's and that. You want to, like, you want a job where the, you know, you're getting an hourly wage, where an hour feels like it lasts three days, stand over a hot griddle and just stand there and cook.

[Dan Abrams]

Well, I'll tell you a job that sucked that I had in college, which was delivering pizzas. I delivered pizzas for a while in college. And the reason it sucked is not because it's so terrible to deliver pizzas. It was because of the way that a lot of the people treat you. And, you know, it was like, you know, back in the day where it was like, you know, guarantees about a time, and then people would call you back to take the pizza back and curse at you or this and that and then not tip you. And it was like, you know, the. And, you know, by the way, there is something about this that reminds me of the way sometimes people treat cops coming back to the cops thing, right? Which is like, you know, you'll find people on the street saying to these cops, you know, you work for me. I pay your Salary. I want to talk to your super. This is like entitlement thing. Yeah, that happens. And I'm certainly not, not, not comparing the two jobs, but I am saying that the way that some people deal with people in particular jobs is just awful.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, no, I. Yeah, okay. Let me add to that. They don't. First off, the people that do this, whether it's with cops or with pizza delivery guys or the person at the airport who's sort of explaining that they shut the door and you can't get on the flight or whatever, they're usually stupid people because they're basically. No, what I'm saying is when you take a kid and you take the kid to a dentist, the kid gets angry at the dentist because it hurts for them to do the filling, but they don't really realize that they're doing their job. Number one, they're sort of angry at the people that are giving them the news. You know what I mean? And that's not. It drives me nuts when somebody behind the counter of an Arby's tells the woman they're out of honey dipping sauce and then starts swinging on that person. That person is not in charge of inventory, by the way.

[Dan Abrams]

We have this on patrol live. The cops will respond to a call at fast food more than once. Someone whining about the fact that they didn't get the order that they had been promised and they went back there and then they're fighting with the people behind the thing because they're saying that the, you know, the burger was cold or that whatever it is, as opposed to just politely going and asking or having a normal conversation. And then the cop, by the way. And now, to compound it, you're now wasting police officers time by calling them to this kind of scene. But we have seen it, you know, we've seen it more than once. Fights at fast food places.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I'll tell you, the guy who, you know, it's like anyone who ever had a paper route when they were a kid will tell you that when it comes time to pay up, that's when you get the guy who's like, we threw it once and the sprinklers ruined it, so I shouldn't have to pay for that Wednesday from four months ago, you know, and it's like, It's a buck 29. Just hand him two bucks. Can we get like the guy who drops off the newspaper, the guy behind the counter to fast food place, or the guy dropping off the pizza is the lowest paid person in the organization. Correct. And that's the person you're throwing punches at, that's the person you're screaming at. It's so insane when people do that to another essentially poor person. Or in the paper route scheme, it's some 11 year old kid, you know what I mean? And you're trying to work the price down a buck fifty. I don't get those people. They have to be dumb or there's something missing with them. That, that's what you do. And it drives me. Look, it could be at the Home Depot or it could be the pizza thing. Like you, you are the per. You are the poorest person who works for Domino's if you're delivering pizza when they try to. And then also I love the grift. Like, well, it said 20 minutes, it's been 23 minutes. So I should just take your stupid $8 pizza and go eat it.

[Dan Abrams]

Would you? Yep, yep, yep. No, it's. It is. Look, and you know, look, part of this is just, these are people who are pissed off at their own lives, right, in many cases, and who are just angry at the world and they decide to take it out on people that they interact with. And by the way, right?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, they take it out on people

[Dan Abrams]

that they can take it out.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. But yes. Well, no, they take it out on. It's essentially like you go in and you get a screening and the nurse says they found a tumor on your lung and you punch her because she's the one who told you. The state and the city pass a bunch of rules about having to. You have to have car insurance when you drive in the state of California, or your tabs can't be expired or whatever it is. Legislature makes all the rules and the governor and the mayor and everyone else. And then at some point it trickles down to the cop who pulls you over. But he didn't even make the rules. He's just enforcing the rules and you're angry at him.

[Dan Abrams]

And that's what these cops say a lot too, right? They're like, look, I'm sorry that you don't like the law. You know, you get these sovereign citizens, right? You know, these people who claim that they're travelers and they're not actually drivers and that the laws don't actually apply to them and this and that, and they talk in circles and it happens a lot. I mean, it's like all this crazy stuff where, you know, people feel like they got their, you know, law degree at you of tube, right? And it's like, you know, you know, it's just it's difficult for the cops. But their response is exactly what you just said. Talk to the legislature. We are enforcing the laws. You know, look, even drug laws, right. And look, and I'll tell you that you will see now in a lot of departments something that's fundamentally changed from which was the case five years ago, even places where marijuana is illegal. What the cops will say in the vast majority of the cases, unless there's another crime, hey, man, just throw that out right here and just stomp on it. And you know, it's still illegal in the state. Just get rid of it. But we're not given tickets, we're not enforcing it, et cetera. But look, that's another case, right, where the legislature still has these drugs as being illegal. And, you know, the legislature ought to deal with it and not put the cops in the crappy situation of having pulled over a vehicle. And, you know, now they've got a technical crime. Right. But the good news is that they figured out ways to, you know, kind of non enforce it.

[Adam Carolla]

Let's talk about true crime. Women love it. They love all those murder stories. They love all the stories of the wives murdering the husbands and the husbands murdering the wives. And I was thinking about this philosophically the other day. You know, they don't. Women statistically don't engage in murder, but they love thinking about it and looking at it and consuming it, you know, but it's not.

[Dan Abrams]

They like it. Not because they're thinking, man, I could. You know, they like the layers.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, but hold on, Dan, before you defend women, all right, I was thinking about it, guys. It's like pretty simple. What do they do? Well, they like cars. All right. They like sports. Yeah. They like porn. But it's all stuff they like, but they consume it because they like it. I think women like murder.

[Dan Abrams]

I don't.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know what else falls under the category of constant consumption, but you don't like it.

[Dan Abrams]

Well, there are a lot of things, you know, you go to a horror movie not because you love to see what happens to people. You go to horror movies because of the way you feel when you're at a horror film. Right.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay.

[Dan Abrams]

Like the excitement of it. Right. You like and then. But again, but I'm not saying horror movies are necessarily like true crime, but what I think women in particular like about true crime is there's a lot of. It's like a puzzle.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Dan Abrams]

And you're putting it together and trying to figure out, does this match up? Does this. Is. Is this Believable. Can I trust that witness, et cetera?

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Dan Abrams]

And then they like, effectively, you know, we have a, you know, because now not only do I did I start Law and Crime, but now we own Court TV as well. And I can tell you that you look at the, you know, the discussion groups and in the big cases, a lot of it relates to fighting over what does the evidence mean, what ought this mean, Is this a big deal, et cetera. And I think that people, and you're right, there's no doubt that the higher percentage of people who are into true crime are women. It tends to be middle aged women in particular. And I do think that it's less about liking murder. Although I'll tell you this. Remember the Scott Peterson case? Remember the. Okay, all right, here's why. I think part of the reason I think the Scott Peterson case was so interesting to people. This is the guy who was accused of killing his pregnant wife, Lacy. This is like almost 20 years ago at this point. But the reason I think people were so fascinated with that one is the guy was really good looking and he seemed so nice and there had never been anything in his past to suggest. And I think part of it was like, whoa, that guy. I know tons of people like that guy. Could he have actually done it? And I think that was kind of part of what led to the fascination.

[Adam Carolla]

There's an interesting. No, it's true. Oprah, when she talks to all her dumb viewers, she goes, if it could happen here, it could happen anywhere. And then all the women go, I live anywhere. Oh my God. Oh my God. I remember women do that with their brain. My ex wife, during COVID when there was a story out of like New Jersey or something, like where it was like a 14 year old boy got Covid and had to have his toe amputated or something. And the picture they chose of the 14 year old boy was him in his basketball uniform holding a basketball. And my wife saw it and she went, sonny, who's our kid? She goes, sonny has a basketball too. I was like, yeah, all right, come on, come on. She was listening, she was feeling out loud. But what her brain was going is that could be my son with the basketball. He has a basketball. Like they're saying that could have been me or us, you know, and the number one thing they do with all the women stuff and Oprah does it all time, it's always, oh for the grace of God. That could have been us. That could have been you. Yeah, the Scott Peterson thing too is he had a Girlfriend on the side.

[Dan Abrams]

Right, exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

Which was another. That's another. It was a perfect. It was, like, created in a lab to get women interested in crime. Lacey was pregnant. Was she pregnant when she was killed?

[Dan Abrams]

Yes, she was eight months pregnant.

[Adam Carolla]

Perfect.

[Dan Abrams]

Eight months. Eight months.

[Adam Carolla]

Eight months.

[Dan Abrams]

Yeah. Come on.

[Adam Carolla]

It was like. It was, like, created in a woman's lab to get women fired up about a case. And by the way, Mark Garagos, friend of mine, was Peterson's attorney for a while and still thinks if you talk to Garagos about it, he would tell you, he would give you an alternative view. That would be interesting. That's all I know.

[Dan Abrams]

Mark Garagos effectively stopped talking to me after he appeared on a show that I was co hosting with Nancy Grace about, I don't know, six or seven years ago, and we talked about the. We had a discussion about the Scott Peterson case, and it got so heated that he either almost walked off or did walk off the set. But, you know, look, he. I don't understand. I sat through the whole case. You know, I mean, look, I don't. You don't want to revisit the Scott Peterson case for your show, but I will tell you that after sitting through the whole case, there is no other explanation other than Scott Peterson did it. And, you know, and in fact, it's funny, I bumped into the guy who's the head of the Innocence Project, because recently, in the last year, the Innocence Project in LA took the case of Scott Peterson. And I said to the guy, I said, man, you know, you guys can do real work where you can actually make a difference, and you do. Representing people who didn't do it, right? Not people about technicalities, not people about, oh, well, you know, the jury instruction was this. I'm saying people who actually didn't do it. That's what you guys are good at. And you guys are focused on the Scott Peterson case. And he starts by saying, well, you know, I don't know much about the case. And then, of course, like, starts rattling off all the details of the case anyway.

[Adam Carolla]

But, no, I'm with you. It's. You know, look, they all. All the groups start off with some sort of noble aspirations, and then they always turn into something else. You know what I mean? Starts off, ACLU has gone a little awry, and Sierra Club and Black Lives Matter, they'll start off with something, and then they turn into. Into something else. And it's kind of sad, but, I mean, I think we're gonna see more and more of that with all the hospice stuff in LA and the learning centers and the grift and the corruption and all the homeless advocates and stuff, they all start off with something noble and then they turn into a business, I don't know, like big pharma or something. They start off as something and they kind of, at some point you become a business.

[Dan Abrams]

Well, and this is why organizations that do like, really important work, particularly for people who don't have many advocates out there, have to be so careful, I think, to stay out of the, the most politicized cases. Right, Meaning the ones where it starts to feel like they are political advocates rather than homeless advocates.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Dan Abrams]

Or advocates, you know, for liberty, et cetera. And that's the danger that a lot of these groups face and that they've fallen into. I mean, look, I mean, the ACLU is actually a great example that I have somewhat personal experience with, which is, you know, my dad, who's a first, well known First Amendment lawyer named Floyd Abrams, he represented Mitch McConnell in the very famous Citizens United case, which is now one of the big Supreme Court cases that many on the left blame for there being too much money in politics. And my dad's position was that it was a First Amendment right for companies, et cetera, to take a position on issues of public importance and to donate money, etc. And the ACLU had been on his side, they were also on the side of the speech. And then they got the heat, they got the heat from the left starting to say what you're taking this position? And it used to be that they would say, yeah, we take a lot of unpopular positions. We represent, you know, we defend people being able to, to march with the kkk. We defend people's right to do all sorts of things that most people aren't going to approve of. But on this one, they caved. And ever since, you know, I have, I have lost my, my faith in the, in the aclu. I'm sure there are going to be people who are going to listen to saying, well, I lost my faith. Well before that. But anyway, that was for me when I lost it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Well, how many years ago was that? Sorry,

[Dan Abrams]

12, something like that. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I mean, I think what happens, somebody said this about bankruptcy. It happens slowly and then it happens fast. And I think with these groups it's slow at the beginning and then at some point they just become that, you know what I mean?

[Dan Abrams]

Well, they also look to who's giving the money. Right. Like who are the donors. Right. And by the way, this applies on the right and the left, you know, it's who. Where's the money, who's feeding? And you gotta satisfy your donors.

[Adam Carolla]

Right? Yeah. And it's true, but there's also a kind of a mentality because, like I said, it happens to the Sierra Club as well, you know, and it's who you attract. You attract young people out of college, and those people tend to have lean this way or that way politically. And then you get a group, and that's sort of the way it works. It's sort of like you. It's like if you hired a whole bunch of vegetarians at some point, there'd be no vending machine with a ham and cheese in it because they don't want it. You know what I mean? That would be in the break room at the place. That's the way that would go. So it kind of, you know, it happens that way. But I didn't know your dad was famous. Did he put pressure on you to enter the law, sort of following his footsteps to some degree?

[Dan Abrams]

No, no. It's just that when you see a parent enjoy what they do. Right. It makes you more likely to want to do it. And my dad loved what he did. And, you know, one of the things I've always admired about my dad is that, you know, he didn't let sort of political pressure force him into taking positions. Now he is typically, you know, represented or politically is left. Right. He is typically would be viewed as like someone who gives money to Democrats. Right. But he's principled in his positions in the sense that he represented Mitch McConnell for free in this case. So it wasn't for money. He did it for free because he believed in the cause. And his position wasn't like, oh, is it going to help Republicans more or help Democrats more? He believed that it was a free speech issue and he still does. And, you know, it would be nice if there were more people like that out there. There's actually a documentary that was just made about him called Speaking Freely that aired on, on pbs. And it was in, excuse me, some of the, you know, the smaller theaters, etc, so people can, if you want to go check out what Floyd. And by the way, the interesting thing in that, in that documentary is there are a lot of people who take the position. Exactly. Which is what I said. They said, well, we used to view mostly people on the left. We used to view Floyd Abrams as like a hero, but now, oh, you know, he took this position and like, from my position, it's like he's even more of a hero. Why? Because he stood up to people like you who, who think that you got to pick a side, and even though he is a Democrat, that he's still willing to represent Republicans in the most important case of the day because he believes in it.

[Adam Carolla]

No, I agree. I was talking to Rob Schneider about this, which is if you're in Hollywood and you take conservative positions, you get accused of, like, being a sellout and taking the money. But it's like you're doing the opposite. You are removing money from your pocket. You are getting on a list of folks that aren't welcome to the events and to all the film festivals, and you're no longer going on auditions. When a guy like Rob Schneider becomes conservative, he hurts his business.

[Dan Abrams]

So there's no doubt about it. I mean, look, and you know, look, this is. You gotta give credit to someone like Mark Burnett. Right. I don't know if you know Mark.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Dan Abrams]

But he's one of the people who realized early on that, for example, you know, doing entertainment like Christian entertainment was like a big business.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Dan Abrams]

And so he spent a lot of time with his wife creating an enormous business for what was an underserved audience. Right.

[Adam Carolla]

I didn't know that. I mean, the last time I talked to him, he was, he was talking me into doing Celebrity Apprentice.

[Dan Abrams]

And he did other things, too. Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

No, I, I, he's done a lot of stuff.

[Dan Abrams]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

But I didn't know this chapter.

[Dan Abrams]

Yeah, he, he and his wife. He and his wife created a lot of Christian entertainment programming and got. Made a ton of money doing it. Why? Because there weren't enough people who recognized that this is programming that people want to see and they want to follow. And he did, and he made it. And he and his wife, as I say, made a lot of money doing it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. I used to always put it this way because it was something I've been aware of for at least a decade where you talk about, you take a show like Gutfeld, number one in late night, and then you go, gutfeld, that guy doesn't wear a jacket, and he's sitting down, he has a notepad on his lap. You know, there's no, by the way, for a guy. And I'll tell you, I've done Gutfeld and I've done all the late night shows. The late night shows have a big dedicated studio. There's hundreds of people in the audience. God, you know, catering. I mean, writers room. You know, when you guys see the Emmys and Jon Stewart or Colbert wins an Emmy and they bring everyone on Stage for riding. There's 23 people up there. I mean, the process, the amount of money that it costs to put on Gutfeld vs. Colbert or any of the late night shows, it's not half. It's not 25%. It's probably 1/30 or less than it costs. And it gets the ranks now.

[Dan Abrams]

Why?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, as I said, and I've always said, I said, look, if everybody is serving Italian food, then let's open a Mexican food place. And everyone went like, what? No, let's do another Italian place, but do it better. I'm like, no, we don't have to be better. We can have a mediocre Mexican food place if all there is is Italian on this street. And that's what it is. I mean, it's not like Gutfeld, not like he's any better, the show's any better. Nothing, no one's funnier. There's none of it. It's just an alternative. It's, you guys can go fight over half the country and I'll take 100% of the other half of the country.

[Dan Abrams]

Well, and that's a relatively new thing, right? The late night shows have become so political. Look, I've done every one of the network late night shows as well. And I'll say the one thing about their budgets. The good news is when you walk off as a guest, you get a jacket, you get a watch, you get all this, like this great goodies that they give you every time you're a guest on one of these shows. Shows. But, you know, the fact that they have become. And, you know, Leno used to go out of his way to try to avoid being political. Right. And, you know, we found that you saw that with a lot of the, you know, Letterman got accused of crossing the line sometimes, whatever, without getting into like a history of late night. The point is that like, you know, all of that's gone at this point.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Dan Abrams]

And as a result, your point being that now it's sort of like, you know, Fox News starting when you had all these networks that everyone saw as being left of center or left, and Fox News saying, hey, there's an opportunity here that no one else is doing. And, you know. Yeah, I think Gutfeld has. Gutfeld is an enormous success in the

[Adam Carolla]

TV world and there's no catering and there's no gift basket, no bathrobes, no mugs, no totes. By the way, the mugs and the totes were number one. And now it's the travel mug, you know, the stainless steel One with the sippy cup on top.

[Dan Abrams]

I still have my, you know, my watch and my jacket and my mug and, you know, back in the day. Back in the day was a big deal to be on one of the late night shows.

[Adam Carolla]

Let me tell you. Let me tell you the best one. And I don't know if you probably didn't do this show, but the best swag was Jim Rome. Jim Rome?

[Dan Abrams]

No, I didn't do Jim Rome.

[Adam Carolla]

Jim Rome had a guy in the back and he had a pile of swatches of material and he was like Giuseppe of Beverly Hills. And you go there, I swear to God. And he'd go, I'm gonna make you a shirt. And you go, what? I'll make you a shirt. I'll monogram it. I'll put your initials on the sleeve. Let me measure you up. Pick out, just pick out a fabric from this swap. Yeah, I got a pile of 100 fabric. A month later, a shirt shows up with your fabric and your initials on it.

[Dan Abrams]

Wow. Yeah, that's good. That's good.

[Adam Carolla]

I'll tell you the only thing. Let me tell you the only thing the late night shows used to get wrong and they still do. And they all do the same thing. You ready? When you go into those late night shows, at some point you travel down a hallway, it's always adorned with pictures, and then you end up in the green room. And it's always adorned with pictures, right? And the pictures are the time Michael Jackson was a guest on the show and the time Bill Clinton was on the show and the time Oprah was on the show and the time they had Matt Damon and Ben Affleck were on the show and, and all I ever do is look at all these pictures and go, man, I wish they bet. I bet they wish they were here instead of me. Boy, I must be a supreme disappointment to them because these are the people they had.

[Dan Abrams]

I remember I was on the NBC late night show and Keira Knightley was on with me. And, you know, we had chatted before. We went on and then chatted, whatever. And then, I don't know, five years later, I see Keira Knightley at an event and I'm like, hey, Keira, you know, Dan Abrams. I, you know, we were on. She's like looking at me. She has no idea.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Dan Abrams]

And like, you know, she pretended to know. She's like, oh, yes. I said, come on, who am I didn't say my name. I said, I introduced my. I said, hey, we were on. And she goes, oh, of course. And I said, come on, you know, I said, who am I? And she was like, was it Fallon?

[Adam Carolla]

What show was it?

[Dan Abrams]

No, this was back when it was Leno.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, it was Lena. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, hot chicks have to go through their life pretending like they remember people. It's a burden. It's the one drawback to being a hot chick. You have to go to your high school reunion and pretend like you knew every nerd.

[Dan Abrams]

I will give. I will give credit to Debbie Mazar, I think is. Remember the actress Mazar. Mazar. So she and I sit next to each other on a plane going from New York to LA. We chat the entire time. This is 30 years ago, maybe, I don't know, whatever. A long time ago. And. And we chat and blah, blah, blah. And like, you know, we were almost exchanging information. She's showing me pictures and it's not that long afterwards that I bump into her and it's probably two, three years later. And I say, hey, you know, hey, you know, we sat next to each other on the plane and she says, I must have been asleep. And I say, oh. Oh, that hurts. And I was like, come on. We talked the whole time. I must have been. But you know what? She gets credit. She didn't fake it.

[Adam Carolla]

No, she's. I think she's. Well, Keira Knightley's from the uk, so they have a certain dakorum.

[Dan Abrams]

Exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

And Debbie Mazar's like, from the Bronx or something.

[Dan Abrams]

Exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

So they have a little different approach.

[Dan Abrams]

Exactly. I can tell you all the stories about various people I've met who have no idea who I am. So, you know, those are just a couple of the doozies.

[Adam Carolla]

You should write a book.

[Dan Abrams]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

The Forgotten Dan. Dan Abrams. I won't forget who you are, brother.

[Dan Abrams]

Thank you.

[Adam Carolla]

On Patrol's the name of the TV show Live every Friday and Saturday night on reels. Everyone. Always good catching up with you, Dan.

[Dan Abrams]

Good to see you, Adam. Thanks for having me.

[Adam Carolla]

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[Adam Carolla]

Hey, Adam Patrick from Tennessee. Love the interview with Motor City Madman. Some other notable bands that probably never get into Rock and Roll hall of

[Dan Abrams]

Fame, Thin Lizzy, Fog Hat, America, Kansas, even REO Speedwagon.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, even old Neil Young said, hey, hey, my, my, rock and roll will never die. Just watch the Grammys now and you'll

[Dan Abrams]

think rock and roll has died. Y' all have a good day. Bye.

[Show Announcer]

You can leave us a message at 888-634-1744.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, Thin Lizzy should be in there for jailbreak alone. Hey, you good looking female. They broke out of prison, man. And they're horny. And he's looking for. He's looking for a snatch.

[Rudy Pavich]

Absolutely locked up with these dudes for all these. All these weeks.

[Adam Carolla]

You got to. First you got to go to find a clothesline and get yourself some clothes that fit. Yeah. And then the next thing you got to do is get laid. Yeah.

[Show Announcer]

He's given away that there's going to be a jailbreak. He's not telling you exactly where it's going to be.

[Adam Carolla]

Somewhere. Somewhere in this town.

[Dan Abrams]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

But there's probably only one prison. Probably. How many people live in a town with multiple prisons?

[Show Announcer]

I don't know that. Walpole, Massachusetts. Probably the only one. But I would pull the surveillance crew off of the library.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Hey, you, good looking female. Yeah, and I like to add a siren in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rudy Pavich]

The boys are coming back in town, man. Like, that should have been. Why? Why is that not in. It's. That guy sounded like he was a roadie for Thin Lizzy, by the way.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, he. Probably back in the day also. So we'll. We'll talk a little about the Oscars since I know it's a day late for you folk, but the way the show's taped, it's the way it works out for us. I was laughing because I realized my mom used to love the Oscars, and then I ruined the Oscars for her. And I hearkened back to the time I ruined Jon Stewart for her, which is a story I won't bore everyone with. But the long and the short of it is she was a huge Jon Stewart fan. And then she found out Jon Stewart and I were friends, and then she never brought up Jon Stewart again. And the only thing I can. My mom didn't have a lot of passions, but the only thing my family ever did as a. As a unit or as close to a unit, like my. We didn't have reunions or picnics or go to the ball games. Like, though every year at opening day at Dodger Stadium, we would all go to. Of course, we had nothing. Zero. It was kind of a weird. Interesting. You can probably identify with this. My grandmother and grandfather never worked a Saturday their entire life. My grandmother worked for the VA, and the VA was pretty much 9 to 5, but there was no such thing as a Saturday gig. I played football in North Hollywood at North Hollywood High or Poly High or whatever. The places I played were all just sort of Burbank Vikings and the Sun Valley Falcons and stuff. We would play our home games. Half of them were home. The away games, furthest you got was Chatsworth or Woodland Hills or something. My grandmother never went to a game ever, because she just announced she didn't like football, which you couldn't pull off. Like, I don't like girls volleyball, but I couldn't announce in modern times, I don't like volleyball, I don't like volleyball. But that wouldn't get you out of going to your daughter's volleyball game. It was understood that my grandmother did not like football. So thus she was off the hook for any Pop Warner football game played over a seven year span in high schools that were just basically around her house. Yeah, essentially.

[Rudy Pavich]

And nowadays everybody in the family, regardless of who they are in relation to the person that is out on the field. So if you got a niece that's out there playing basketball and she's riding the bench, doesn't matter, guess what you're doing on Saturday, right, Right now.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I started both ways, but that didn't, that was gonna put a dent in them. So their resolve, they had a great resolve of not supporting anybody. So the only thing I ever remember doing what I would call sort of as a family is my grandparents had a color TV set and it was probably 19 inches or something. We had this little black and white Zenith or something and we would go, go to watch the Oscars and we'd go to my grandparents house and sit my grandfather's den, which is probably 10 foot by 11 foot and just sit on the floor. But there was a tv, it was color and we'd watch it. And my grandfather was in the Academy because he got nominated for adapted screenplay or something like that just a million years ago, affairs of Susan. So it was a point, it was the only, the only thing we had to hang our hat on is this guy from Hungary who was a playwright who came here, who had some success as a writer and that he made his living writing for Gunsmoke and Bonanza and wrote the Mole People and weird sci fi stuff. He actually got nominated in like 1948. That's a big swing for the affairs of Susan. Like Adapted Something didn't get an Oscar but they were in, they were now in the Academy, they would get screeners. And so the Oscars were kind of the one thing my family, that was all we had. And then outside of that he was a step grandfather, but outside of that, for the Corollas, it was a fast free fall, like there was nothing. This guy successfully completed rehab or something like that. There was no Heisman Trophy winners, Nobody owned a Corvette or had an RV dealership or something. It was like grandpa was in the Academy and then after that it was just futon after futon and welfare after welfare. Like yeah, not a. No home ownership, no nothing. But at some point when Jimmy hosted the Oscars and I wrote for the Oscars, much like Jon Stewart being ruined for my mom, the Oscars were then ruined for my mom because how it was kind of a Woody Allen thing. Like who'd want to be in a club that have Me as a member sort of thing. Except that they did it with their extended family. She never said it. I just realized it was ruined for her. It was never discussed again. She was asked if she watched the episode that the first time Jimmy hosted that I wrote on. She announced it was. She announced she didn't really watch it, but it was a little hit and miss, which is weird because she covered both bases, which is. I didn't watch it and it was no good. That's a twofer. And then Jimmy would host the next year and the next year, and I'd see her and she'd go, like, what's going on? I go, I'm going over to the Academy to write jokes for the Oscar. And she'd go, all right. And I realized it was over. Wow. Never brought up the Oscars again. Never brought up Jimmy. Never asked a question about riding or when do you get there? Do you rent a tuxedo? Do you have to wear a tuxedo? Do you get to hang out backstage? It was never discussed again. And I realized with her fucking wiring, it was ruined. Like, Jon Stewart got ruined. It ruined Jon Stewart. That. I was friends with Jon Stewart. We had the same agent.

[Rudy Pavich]

We talked last week about being fired from a business or being let go or whatever it is. And then you immediately stop engaging with that company ever. Like, you will never. You get fired from a radio station, you'll never turn that radio station on again. A TV station. You get fired from a. You know, a Subway. You go to get a sandwich. No, no, no. We're going to Quiznos from now on. Doing Subway ever again. It's weird that she had no involvement with the Academy Awards and then on top of it, her son was in it. And just because you were. You're like a Marvel superhero who everything you touch just shrivels up and dies in her eyes.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. Yeah, it's a. I don't know if it's a. If it's a ultimate low self esteem. Like, I don't know what it is. My grandmother had that too. But it was palpable. Yeah, it would have went. We would have. In the past, we would have gotten together the weekend after the Oscars and she would have given me a whole sort of dissertation on stuff she liked or she thought this guy did a good job or that guy was very clever. There would have been Oscar talk.

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Never. Never came up after that.

[Rudy Pavich]

You know that moment that you have when you're dating somebody and you find out that they once slept with somebody that you know that you find to be disgusting or you can't stand and you get a little freaked out by it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Rudy Pavich]

Did she ever write for the Oscars and then you. And then she's like, you know what? Fucking never again. You look at it different now that it's been tainted with your, no pun intended, taint.

[Adam Carolla]

She liked the Oscars and then Jimmy hosted the Oscars.

[Rudy Pavich]

That was it. Huh.

[Adam Carolla]

And her son wrote for the Oscars. That's a one, two punch. And then it was all over for her. And the Oscars, man. Never brought it up again.

[Show Announcer]

Wow.

[Adam Carolla]

Now, to be fair, my dad didn't watch the Oscars before Jimmy hosted. And he didn't watch the Oscars. Walt hosted. Yeah. Which is funny. He gave me the best one ever, which is I always want to say to people, at least respect me enough to lie to me. I got the biggest argument. One of the biggest arguments I ever got into with someone on Loveline was many years ago. They gotta look her name up. Dawson, Baywatch. Sensible one, Brunette with the short hair. She was a sensible one.

[Rudy Pavich]

Oh, by sensible you mean not much up top, right?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. B cup, short hair. They had to have the ones they were always really good looking. They just had shorter hair in a B cup. And they were the sensible ones. And she was supposed to come on Loveline, and at the last minute, she just sort of called in. Original Baywatch cast, I guess. I don't know. She's got to be. She's a perennial. I think she was the original cast. And like I said, not blonde. So she's gonna be easy to find. Alexander Paul. That's right. That's right. What is she doing now? And is she running marathons? So she was supposed to come on Loveline and she called in like an hour before she was supposed to come into Loveline circa 1997 or something. Baywatch. And she just goes, I'm not coming in because I'm training for a marathon and I gotta get up early. And she's like. And I was like, just say you're sick, not you gotta get up to jog. Yeah. And she was like. And by the way, not running a marathon. The marathon was in three months. She just got up at six in the morning and ran. And she didn't feel like staying up till 10 or 12 or whatever. And my beef was that she didn't lie.

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And then her argument was, I can't believe you're coming after me for not lying. And my argument was, here's my argument. If it was about somebody let's just say George Clooney said, come over for cocktails. Would you say, I got a jog in the morning. If you didn't want to go, you'd go, oh, my God, I hurt myself this weekend. Or I'm sick, or I wish I could leave the house, but I can't, or my kid's sick like you. You just go. You wouldn't go. I don't really feel like it. Because you would. You would care.

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah. See, Adam, this is why you should have feigned a little. A little bit of interest in your children, because you can always, always have a get out of jail free card.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, my God. What? Tmz, two hours ago. According to Andrew Alexander Paul arrested after animal welfare process. That's from two hours ago.

[Rudy Pavich]

Oh, my God.

[Adam Carolla]

That's a great magnet. Wow.

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah. Look at. That's her right there.

[Adam Carolla]

She couldn't run fast enough to get away from the cops.

[Rudy Pavich]

No. Should have trained a little harder.

[Adam Carolla]

That's right. Wow. Was she part of this, like, Beagle animal rescue takeover place? The place that bred Beagle's or something that a bunch of protesters showed up to? Are you telling me I just randomly brought up Alexandra Paul's name and she was on tmz?

[Rudy Pavich]

Jesus.

[Adam Carolla]

Who's last been seen in an episode of Baywatch 23 years ago?

[Rudy Pavich]

Well, you know what? Your mom just announced that she's never gonna watch TMZ ever again from the grave.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. So my thing is. Would you just lie? Just lie. And when my dad, when he got asked if he watched the Oscars that Jimmy was hosting and that I wrote for, he goes, this is the greatest. This is Jim Caroll. He goes. I go, somebody else asked him, did you watch the Oscars? And he goes, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Why don't you? Oscars? And then he paused and he went, well, your stepmom did. By the way, his house is 1300 square feet. Just say we watched it. Yeah, just say we watched it. I didn't. I'm not gonna check you. I'm not gonna quiz you. She literally. The house is a thousand square feet. She literally sat in the living room and watched it. And he just sat one room over and looked at a book. That's. That's what he did. I'm just saying. You can just go, yeah, good stuff. Nice job. Nice job. Look good. Let me play him. Now you just say it. It's the easiest. It's free and it's so easy.

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Hey, good stuff. Yeah. Lie about it all. My.

[Rudy Pavich]

What'd you get for dinner? Steak. I had chicken. I just tell the steak.

[Adam Carolla]

Big tilt, Jimmy. Thumbs up.

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Nice. Look good with the tuxedo. Not slimming.

[Rudy Pavich]

A lot of commercials this year. They must be doing well. Obviously, ratings have been up.

[Adam Carolla]

Anything?

[Rudy Pavich]

Anything?

[Adam Carolla]

Just something other than. Nah, didn't watch. That's a wild man. He's going. I was at home and just in another part of this house that's miniature, where the TV wasn't. Yeah, I sat in the other room. She allegedly broke into a breeding facility and began stealing dogs. Beagles. I told you I heard a beagle story. I did not hear her name. Involved with the beagle story.

[Show Announcer]

According to criminal records obtained by tmz, Alexandra was arrested and booked Sunday on one count of trespassing. The papers say she was arrested on Sunday morning, later booked in the county jail that afternoon. According to the sheriff's office, Alexandra's arrest was related to a protest at Ridgeland Farms, a controversial breeding facility in the Blue Mountains, about 30 miles west of Madison.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh.

[Rudy Pavich]

Oh, okay.

[Adam Carolla]

All right.

[Rudy Pavich]

Man, she's going all Cruella de Vil. Making some beagle loafers out of them things.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, she's. I think she's doing what women, attractive women do once they turn 60, which is stuff like this.

[Rudy Pavich]

No problems, so we got to start creating them.

[Adam Carolla]

She must have run marathons or something at some point. But anyway. All right. The other thing that I noticed about the Oscars is what's with dudes in brooches?

[Rudy Pavich]

Lot of brooches.

[Adam Carolla]

What is going on? May I broach this subject? I know dudes are trying to be chicks, and I guess this is. Is the brooch a upright, standing, mobile version of the Deep Leg Cross. Cuz I think you're basically saying, I'm team Deep Leg Cross with the brooch.

[Show Announcer]

That's like prom level.

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, that's. Yeah, that's more in a boutonniere.

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah, well, they're not wheeling them out on a chair where they can cross their legs to signal to everybody that they are on one side or the other. So they have to wear the brooch.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. But when did the brooch. When did this hit? And then how does this memo work? Hey, bro, you got a brooch up for the Oscars? Like, everyone's. Everybody's doing brooches.

[Show Announcer]

Doing a brooch, bro.

[Rudy Pavich]

Got your brooch, bro.

[Adam Carolla]

And also, I don't know, how come guys don't push back a little and go, I don't know. This hunk of tin hanging off my lapel for the whole Theory night. Yeah.

[Show Announcer]

Every senator, congressman, whatever, they have multiple lapel pins.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Show Announcer]

American flag. Where The Ukrainian one. Whatever. It's. And then with the. The Me Too is where it started. But then now it's Be good. And all that other stuff they were doing.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Show Announcer]

It's become more of a fashion accessory and a way to expound on your appearance without taking a side. You're. You're open to. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So. So it's unused real estate. It's. It's like where that billboard goes. Hold on. Maybe. Is this what you're trying to say? I think you cannot get shit for not wearing a Time's up pin or Ukraine pin because you have a giant brooch there you go using that space. Up. Yeah. And the broach basically says, I'm for Free Palestine. Time's Up, Ukraine. The big brooch sort of says, I'm down with all of it without committing to one of it.

[Show Announcer]

And I'm against wasting its base on my lapel.

[Adam Carolla]

Right, right.

[Rudy Pavich]

Well, what you didn't know is the Time's up logo looks like a diamond butthole. And that's what Adrien Brody had on his lapel there.

[Adam Carolla]

Pedro Pascal had the giant.

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah. Look at a big sunflower. It's weird, huh?

[Adam Carolla]

Again, call me old fashioned, but just get a suit and wear it the best you can.

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

He's also a douche with his, I don't know, Free Palestine stuff. He's just a douche. Douche. Sad. All right, you got some.

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah. Look at any of the winners or anything. You want to go through that at all?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah. Run down. Yeah, I printed up a couple things here. All right, so the winner, which is One Battle after another, is not a good film. It's kind of weird. Look, listen, it's sad, but if you make a film that has a theme of white supremacy and black activism and Sean Penn being a cartoon character, then you got a good chance of winning.

[Rudy Pavich]

Sure.

[Adam Carolla]

You make one about F1, you're not gonna win. F1 was a far more entertaining film than One Battle After Another. But it's about cars, and they don't care about cars. And it was just a kind of a weird MSNBC producer fever dream, by the way. It wasn't a good film, not just because I disagree with it politically. It was sort of all over the road, like, lights up. We're gonna break into this detention center at the border and free Mexicans. By the way, you freeing Mexicans, it's not like you're freeing a coyote that's trapped in A snare or a marlin that's got a net on it, you know, Go. You can't just take Mexicans and scatter them to the wind. Like, go, go, my brothers. Go be free. Go, be. What do you think they're going to do?

[Rudy Pavich]

Just live.

[Adam Carolla]

Live in a field? Yeah.

[Rudy Pavich]

These ain't beagles. You can't say Baywatch star. They're not beagles.

[Adam Carolla]

They literally think of them like it's a dolphin caught in a tuna net.

[Rudy Pavich]

Sure.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, and it is true. And they love the symbolism of cutting the net off and sending the dolphin, you know, or the bear after they fixed its paw, and they open the cage and they go stumbling out into the woods. You know what I mean? You can't do that with Mexicans. I've tried.

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah. You know what that Mexican does? Just like, the bear turns around and bites you in the ass. That's what it does.

[Adam Carolla]

I've gone down to the Home Depot, found those guys sitting around waiting to jump in the back of the car. I throw them in the back of the pickup. I drive out to the Mojave Desert, I drop the tailgate and I yell, be free. Be free. And they just sit there. They don't want to leave. They want TV sets and food and air conditioning and shit. Same shit we want. That's what they want. So the beginning of the movie is like, we're just going to go free some Mexicans. Which is super racist, by the way. Then they do that. Then everyone is like, Sean Penn's character is out of a cartoon. Basically like, I got a gun to me. I'm getting a boner. I want to have sex with a black chick. I will say this. They don't do this enough. But Leonardo DiCaprio's character, if that guy was an actual human being, he'd be the worst human being you've ever met in your life.

[Rudy Pavich]

Absolutely.

[Adam Carolla]

Fucking strung out on weed, makes bombs, neglects his family, doesn't fucking work, hates the government. That's the worst human being on the planet. The whole thing is run by some white supremacist cabal from someone's basement while they all wear Hawaiian shirts and drive Mustangs. It was a shitty movie. It's not even a good movie. Shotwell. Yeah. Interesting to watch. Bad story. Not even close. And by the way, these movies that are Best Picture, like, you know, the other in the past, when those types of movies come around, like Casino came on the other day, I just see Casino, I'm like, oh, I'm watching this, like Casino or a Tarantino movie, you know, you know, Inglourious Basterds or one of these, the Sting or something like that. When these movies like moonlight and stuff come around, which they don't because they're shitty movies, but even when they come on, you just change the channel. Like you're ever gonna watch em.

[Rudy Pavich]

I thought that same thing about this song that won best song from a movie, the golden. Whatever it was, they were talking about the K Pop. Everyone made fun of me when I listened to K pop. It's the biggest genre on the planet right now. Stop it. And also when that gal was like, it's so good to see people who look like me on the screen. Oh, really? A Korean? So did you not see Parasite? Did you not see Everywhere, Everything everywhere all at once? Did you not see any of these movies? Because it seems like we're kind of in the mix now. And after I heard that whole golden song, whatever, it was the best song from a movie. And they were talking about how this is gonna, you know, live in infamy and this. What a great song. It's. First off, that Sounds like every YouTube workout video I've ever seen.

[Show Announcer]

Yeah.

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah. You know what sticks in your head? I will always love you by Whitney Houston. That song will never, never leave you. It should win best song.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Now, no. Country for old men won 18 years ago. And that's a good movie. Yeah, but stuff like Coda and Nomads Land and, you know, Green Book in the shape of water and moonlight and spotlights.

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Here's what I said. One battle after another was as good as Quentin Tarantino's worst movie.

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah, that's a good point. Yes, absolutely.

[Adam Carolla]

I mean, well, first off, to compare it. Okay, so you go, well, what does that mean, douchebag Adam? Well, it means to compare it to Once Upon a Time in Hollywood or Django or Inglourious Basterds or Reservoir Dogs or Pulp Fiction's Insane. Those movies were all a thousand times better than that movie. To do it to, like Jackie Brown or a lesser known Tarantino movie. Fine, fine. But literally, the movie that won the best film is as good, and I'm being generous, as Quentin Tarantino's weakest effort. That's how I would say. And by the way, just watched it the other day. Again, you can watch Quentin Tarantino movies over and over again. Hateful Eight gets a lot of shit. It's still a good movie. It's good.

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah. It's slow on my list, but it's still pretty Decent.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, it's got a lot of twists and turns and, you know, a Letter from Abe Lincoln and all that kind of crap. It's still a good movie, even though it's way down on Tarantino's. I mean, that's the whole thing. And then you take a movie like Boogie Nights, which is much better than One Battle After Another, which has to be weird if you created both of them and you create both of them, and the Boogie Nights doesn't get an Academy Award in a shitty movie like One Battle After Another does. But that's only because of its stupid woke racist theme.

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah, I wonder if. Because they even said it, the gal who won best casting looked at Paul and was like, it's weird. I got one before you do. I wonder if in the back of his mind, he thought, 18 months ago, you know what? Maybe we put out something that's a little bit more relevant and a little bit more social commentary worthy so I can finally get myself one of them golden statues up on that mantle.

[Adam Carolla]

There's a bit of. I'll tell you what there is. It's the same as all the grift. You know what I mean? If you go, listen, I'm going to put an organization together so I can raise more money to buy a Ferrari. You won't get any money, but if you do for the children, so it's children. You give it a stupid name like Golden Endless Road for the Children foundation or something, then you can get money, you do stuff. Movie's a piece of shit. It really is not. It's not a good movie. But thematically, like I said, if you're gonna write one about white guys driving race cars, you're out. Yeah, I don't care how fucking good it is. And if you do one about Sean Penn being a cartoon character, then it is Boogie Nights lost the Academy Award to the best script to Good Will Hunting, which is another. I don't know. Is that that good? There Will Be Blood came out the same year as no country for Old Men. Wow. All right. All right. So that Conan was fine. I don't think he's great in that, but he's fine.

[Rudy Pavich]

He's good.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. With that.

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

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[Adam Carolla]

What do you got in the news?

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah, let's do some news. So behind closed doors, Rebel Wilson's crisis public relations team discussed plans to create anonymous websites that accused the producer of the deb of sex trafficking as part of an alleged smear campaign solicited by the actress. In a recording obtained by the Hollywood reporter, digital fixer Jed Wallace instructed top entertainment publicist Melissa Nathan to assert without evidence that the Amanda ghost is a madam whose work involves procuring young women for wealthy and powerful men. Go ahead and give it a listen.

[Jed Wallace]

Oh, also talked about Rebel. Like, here's the deal with Rebel and I think you, me and Brian and maybe Katie since she'll write this thing. What we have to do is we move. The biggest piece here is that we have to connect Amanda Ghost with Vlotnik. And I. I was just like, so basically what we need to do is we need to create a path where we expose Amanda Ghost. Amanda Ghost is like the new Heidi Fleiss. Like, she, she masquerades as a, the reason why she sucks so bad at music is because she's actually getting hookers for Vlotnik.

[VRBoCare Representative]

Right?

[Jed Wallace]

And that's what she does. She's a, she's a, she's an absolute madam and that's why she's so lethal, blah, blah, blah. But that's, he's right. Like, we can't just do, like, oh, she's a, she sucks. It's like, it's got to be really, really heavy and connected to something that heavy. So we'll Talk.

[Adam Carolla]

These people are the worst. Publicists are. Publicists are the worst people on the planet. Always have been. But I think about people who do shit like this. It's like the chick that. So I have a weird thing like when people go, this guy poisoned his wife and collected on the insurance. I go, I don't care. That guy doesn't bother me. They always exist. The people who go hunting Cecil the Lion, I don't want to hang out with them, but I don't care either. The most dangerous people, the scariest people on the planet for me are either the guy who pushes people onto the tracks on the subway for no reason, or the stripper who accuses the Duke lacrosse team of raping her, knows full well it never happened, and will happily watch four 19 year old dudes rot in prison for the rest of their lives. Yeah, that is the scariest people. Those are the scariest people on the planet. Like the people like, oh, we'll just make up a story about this guy doing human trafficking. Those are the scariest. And also, I don't know where they come from. I would always just. If I was any part of that, I'd go, no, you can't do that. It's gross. Like I'm an atheist, but come on, it's gross.

[Rudy Pavich]

The amount of cavalier in their voice when they say it, they're just like, whatever, no big deal.

[Adam Carolla]

But also the new. So what we had is, what we do is we go for what's in vogue from a societal standpoint. So being racist was a big. Being racist was all you needed for a while. And then lately being a trafficker and a pedophile came into vogue. And now so everyone you don't like, you just call them a pedophile and. Or a racist, by the way. You wanna know how old we are, Dawson? You wanna feel old?

[Dan Abrams]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

The chick, Crystal Magnum, the stripper who accused the Duke lacrosse, by the way, how about you go to jail for at least half the time they were gonna give the other guys that you were fucking bearing false witness to, like nothing. No problemo. I'll just fucking try to get fucking four guys lives destroyed when they're in their teens. And then at some point I'll just go, well, I tried. Yeah, okay. She. Here's how old we are. She started with the Duke lacrosse thing. That didn't work. Later on she killed her boyfriend and she got convicted of killing her boyfriend. And she got like 20 years for killing her boyfriend. She's out. Oh, Jesus. That's how fucking old we are. I went all the way through the Crystal Magnum.

[Dan Abrams]

Wow.

[Adam Carolla]

I piled right through. Crystal Magnum. Yes. She falsely accused the nuclear cosplayers and then she killed. By the way. Can I say this, people? If you can sit there with a straight face and look at four innocent dudes and go, you can go rot in prison. You're capable of fucking capable of anything. Anything. But no time for that. But time for killing her boyfriend, which of course she's the world's worst person. And then I'd like. By the way, I want to do a new TV show called Nice Job where I just interview the parents. Hey, your daughter. Uh huh. Became a stripper. Right. Then tried to accuse four guys of gang rape, send them to prison for the rest. Uh huh. And then later killed her boyfriend. Nice job. Yeah, good job with the parenting. You should write a book. So then went to prison for the boyfriend murder.

[Rudy Pavich]

Now out.

[Adam Carolla]

Now out.

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And probably not in her 50s yet. Yeah, that's the whole point.

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah. Although not scheduled to go to Duke, but is going to strip for the Vanderbilt basketball team if they can make it to the sweet 16. So just putting it out there. By the way, Crystal. Is that a real name? Crystal Magnum?

[Adam Carolla]

Can't be.

[Rudy Pavich]

Can't be. There's no way. Right? Wow. Surprised I haven't seen more of her.

[Adam Carolla]

No, but she should marry World B Free or whoever the NBA is.

[Rudy Pavich]

Met a World peace.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Well, there was also World B Free.

[Rudy Pavich]

Was there really?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Yeah. Andrew, who was World B Free? Another NBA er.

[VRBoCare Representative]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Rebel Wilson. Also accused of lying about. Oh, Sacha Baron Cohen. That's great. God, she seems like a piece of shit, man.

[Rudy Pavich]

World be. Oh, look at that hair. Look at that.

[Adam Carolla]

He's 72. He was a Laker. It looked like he was. Oh, wait a minute. It's a trailblazer. It looks like a. Yeah, a calf.

[Rudy Pavich]

Is that a Cavs jersey?

[Adam Carolla]

He was only six two.

[Rudy Pavich]

How's it, huh? Six two. World B Free.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, Lloyd Bernard Free. Uh huh. He was an all star. He was a big NBA er. He was?

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah, dude.

[Adam Carolla]

He was in the league for. I don't know how long was he in the league for?

[Rudy Pavich]

Now he kind of looks like Curly from the Globetrotters.

[Adam Carolla]

He's got the handles. I mean he was in the league for 13 years, 14 years, and it came back. I mean, the guy's an all star, I think. Yeah. World Be Free.

[Rudy Pavich]

The Miami Tropics. Wasn't that the name from the basketball?

[Dan Abrams]

Yes, Will Ferrell.

[Rudy Pavich]

Ferrell's team.

[Adam Carolla]

That's what I thought it was. He was eaten by the bear. Grizzly night. All right, what other stories you got?

[Rudy Pavich]

All right, former Ms. Now host Joy Reid argued that the US Was only marginally better than the Iranian regime that American forces are currently at war against. We got a video of this.

[Adam Carolla]

I love it. But let me just say this. All these bitches, all these dudes, it's always the same thing. It's always. They always go, I love this country. I just imagine a better country than bullshit. You fucking hate this country. You're crazy, angry bitch. Yeah, okay, go ahead.

[VRBoCare Representative]

Our regime has secret police. They have secret police. Our regime is oppressing women, taking away abortion rights, Taking away women's rights in, like, 26 states. Some states where they're trying to have the death penalty for having an abortion. They also oppress women. They have the highest rate of women who are in STEM careers. We're kicking women out of the military, out of university. We're saying that DEI means women can't be hired for high positions in the sciences. So we're marginally better. And we're doing it for Christianity, they're doing it for Islam. Right. So it's like, we don't get told those things because it would take away the kind of American exceptionalism narrative.

[Adam Carolla]

I love the guys who interview these nut jobs. Yeah. Hold on. Let me adjust my brooch. Let me get my little deeper leg cross and do the brooch adjustment. All right, here we go. What we say, like, they never go, who's being thrown out of college because they're a woman? Is that something I haven't heard of that.

[Show Announcer]

She tried to highbrow us, though, in that she didn't say college. She said, get kicked out of university.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay.

[Show Announcer]

She was basically saying, I'm not American.

[Adam Carolla]

Right? Yeah. What? Great.

[Show Announcer]

How is she making money? She was fired a while back, right?

[Adam Carolla]

I don't. I don't. I don't. I have no idea. I don't know. I. I also, once you out yourself as a dingbat or just a woman or just like, let's say you hate this country or you hate Jews or you hate. Whatever. Don't you just kind of out yourself? And then we can not listen to you anymore because you've outed yourself. She's clearly a dingbat who hates this country.

[Show Announcer]

I see more of Joy Reid now that she's not on CNN than when she was.

[Adam Carolla]

Like, when Whoopi talks and sounds like she's a retard on methadone, does anyone ever just go, like, I Guess we don't. What is this infinite capacity to listen to dingbats? I don't get it. When Whoopi gave her speech about men and women's sports, and she's like, have anybody seen these women? They don't mess around. I don't know what you're. Look, world, be free. Watch a highlight reel of the NBA and then watch a highlight reel of the wnba. That is the difference between men and women. The women will be lots of draining threes from the chest and some bounce passes, granny shots, and the guys are going to be hitting their head on the rim. And basketball, it's a sport and it's a discipline, but it's really just the most athletic.

[Rudy Pavich]

Sure.

[Adam Carolla]

Like, you're running, you're jumping, you're using all of the tools in your sort of physical toolbox. You know, you can argue that playing interior lineman, it's just about sort of power and grunt and force or whatever. And the different positions in football and baseball's a little more finesse. And this guy's a pitcher, and that guy specializes in hitting or whatever it is. Basketball is just a purely athletic endeavor. And when you see the highlight reel, you go, that's the difference between men and women. And I don't know what Whoopi's talking about when she's talking about women being serious about their sports, but does she know what she's talking about?

[Rudy Pavich]

Well, also, the wnba, a league that is subsidized by the NBA, finally gets a player that is transcending and really making a name for women's basketball. And all they did was beat the shit out of her for an entire season.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Rudy Pavich]

And then somebody finally was like, hey, would you stop? That's what I love about hockey. Because Marty McSorley was told by basically, like, behind closed doors, was like, hey, when we got guys out on the ice, like a Wayne Gretzky, or we got a guy out there that is really bringing a lot of eyeballs and putting a lot of people in seats, do not hurt that guy, whatever you do. Because when he's not out on the court, that means. Or on the ice, that means people are not coming to see him. So you have to make sure that that guy is protected at all times. And I can't believe nobody in the WNBA didn't put out a memo to these women and went, hey, by the way, I don't know if you've noticed, attendance goes up when she comes to town. When Caitlin Clark is in your building. There's people here, so stop. It. Knock it off.

[Adam Carolla]

I know. They turned it into a whole racial thing, and it's awesome. Yeah. That's why we need more women of color in positions of power. All right, what else you got?

[Rudy Pavich]

President Trump was stunned to learn this week that U.S. intelligence indicates that the new Iran Iranian Supreme Leader may be gay and that his father, the late Ayatollah, feared his suitability to rule the Islamic Republic for that reason. I don't know if you saw this story at all.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, look, it feels like half the kids of super famous and powerful guys are gay, Right? Like, I feel like your chance of being gay or transsexual goes up tenfold if your dad's a billionaire and rules either Hollywood or a republic.

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

All right.

[Rudy Pavich]

As it's been said many times.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. All right. Is there something to watch?

[Rudy Pavich]

No. I thought. No, I guess. No, we're good. No, nevermind. All right.

[Adam Carolla]

All right. So it was Trump's response.

[Rudy Pavich]

It's Trump's response, essentially.

[VRBoCare Representative]

Yeah.

[Rudy Pavich]

They were saying that other people in the room found it to be hilarious and that there was a lot of people that joined in with the President's reaction, while one senior intelligence official has not stopped laughing about it for days. And one person familiar with the briefing was saying that he was shocked. The President was shocked when described by the post by two intelligent community officials. And a third person who was close to the White House brought this to the President. He had a field day with it.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, you gotta have gays in that society. They just can't come out.

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I mean, that's the.

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And that's the beauty of Joy Reid, which is. Yeah. You get stoned to death if you're gay.

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah. That was the thing.

[Dan Abrams]

Yeah.

[Rudy Pavich]

I watched the Academy Awards with a gay man, and guess what? Nobody threw him off of a building. What do you know? Feels like we're a little bit better than Iran.

[Adam Carolla]

You know what? All these countries, all the leaders go to the same optometrist. They never wear plastic frames. They only wear metal frames. And all the times that I see any of these Supreme Leader of anywhere, that's Iran, Iraq, whatever, all the Middle Eastern countries, you'll never see the Swifty Lazar frames. You'll never see the. You don't see the Wayfarer look. You don't see a tinted lens. It's all a metal. They're all wear, like, high school chemistry teacher frames. And there's a metal frame thing, which I think for them is sort of the opposite of the leg cross, which is. That's for pussies. I don't know what it is, but they all have the same frame. I've been noticing. There's no variety. And by the way, they do not do it up. Like, they'll never smoke the lens or put a little tint or color in it. They'll never be plastic. They'll never be the big kind like I got on. They'll never be anything cool, different, or interesting. It's all, this is what a boring straight guy would wear.

[Rudy Pavich]

Well, they got the side, like the meta ones where they've got the button on the side, but instead of recording what you see, it blows up somebody's shoes. That's how that works. That's right. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And Israel's gonna donate the ones to you for your work. Am I right or am I right? You cannot find a picture of these guys with plastic frames. And what. What is going on? Well, there's Fidel Castro from 1963, but I'm talking about in the last 40 years. It's all the same metal frame. Metal frames bend. They're kind of weird. I don't know. Is it just because whoever wore. Well, one guy looks like he might have some plastic. Yeah, but this is old. Yeah.

[Rudy Pavich]

You know what they need to do? Get to a LensCrafters and get them in front of that screen where it does a bunch of different styles in front of you so you can see which one you're like. Well, you got an oblong face, so cat eye would look very good on you.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, one more.

[Rudy Pavich]

All right, one more. Here we go. So, Amen. Mohammed Ghazali, I think I'm saying that right. Tried to kill Jewish kids after ramming his trunk into a synagogue in Michigan. Truck. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Excuse me. Ramming his truck into a synagogue, but ended up burning inside of his own truck before shooting himself. The media went full force to explain why this happened. But look at what we saw from the npr. Middle east conflict in small Lebanese town. Grief and fear followed the Michigan synagogue attack. Yeah, that's their angle on this thing. And also, look who wrote it. I can't even say that gal's name.

[Adam Carolla]

Hadel Al Shit stains. Listen, here's what I've been telling you guys. First off, here's how you know these people are bought and sold and corrupt journalists. If you talk to Mark Garagos and Mark Gargos is up there talking about one of his clients, and some Armenian kid took his BMW and plowed through a farmer's Market, right? He doesn't say, after Avi took his BMW and ran over a bunch of elderly folk who were out shopping, he goes, the day of the incident, well, he calls it an incident, you know what I mean? And they put in lots of things where mistakenly. And he was distracted for a moment before the incident and stuff. And you go, what's he doing? Well, he's soft pedaling what this thing is, cuz that's his client. I mean, his objective is do not find this person guilty. And so then we'll start calling things things and saying this. And you know, as I always said, like my, my agent, my former manager, me and Jimmy's former manager, Howard, God rest his soul, when we left the man show, he came up to us and he's like, we're leaving him. And he's like, but you do know that I'm still going to service the contract, meaning I'm still gonna take money from doing nothing and eating for free. But he doesn't wanna say it that way. Service the contract mean I'm still gonna get paid for doing nothing on a show I didn't invent. Okay, so people do it. All right, that's all fine, but when you see news outlets doing that, then that's what an advocate for the murderer would do. So the guy who was the bomber, or the guy who did throw the improvised explosive device into the crowd, or the guy who drove the thing through the Christmas parade, and then NPR or the LA Times or the New York Times or cnn, when they report on it, their headlines are more of an advocate. They're more like, I'm a lawyer for this person than they are a fucking journalist. Because they are. Because that's who they are. And men can stop it a little bit. Women can't turn it off. Oh yeah, they can't turn it off. So these are women, these are progressive women. Somehow they work for NPR or they work for any of those outlets and they have an agenda. And when they, they will execute that in the form of these headlines. And you see it over and over again. And then they try to tell you how fair and balanced they are. Pardon me. Dubious. All right, this Sunday, Santa Ana, California, gonna be there. I think Jay Moore is gonna come out. Jordan Family Classic cars. Got the Newman Collection out there. Norfolk, Nebraska. Rudy says, Great club. Love it. That'll be March 27th, 28th. Two shows Friday, two shows Saturday. Where's that at? I can't read it. The Whatever Center.

[Rudy Pavich]

Oh, it's at the District Event Center.

[Adam Carolla]

Yep.

[Rudy Pavich]

I was texting Andrew, who runs that place today, that there must be a clock somewhere with an eye shot for Adam Carolla.

[Adam Carolla]

Thank you. And then Lincoln, Nebraska, at Haller Comedy Club. That'll be Sunday on the 29th. Rudy will be down. You go to amcroll.com for all the live stuff. Rudy?

[Rudy Pavich]

Yeah, this Friday I'll be in Oakdale, Minnesota for next stop comedy the 21st. Saturday night I'll be in Monroe, Wisconsin. And then on the 27th, St. Paul at Gambit Brewing on the 29th in Lincoln, Nebraska with UAs.

[Adam Carolla]

So till next time, Adam Crumper, Rudy Pavich and Dan Abrams saying mahalo.

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