Hanson + Corinne Fisher and Krystyna Hutchinson (Carolla Classics)

Summary

The Adam Carolla Show – Hanson + Corinne Fisher and Krystyna Hutchinson (Carolla Classics)

Date: September 13, 2025
Guests: Hanson, Corinne Fisher & Krystyna Hutchinson (“Guys We F****d” podcast), Gina Grad, Brian Bishop
Host: Adam Carolla

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Episode Overview

This “Carolla Classics” episode is a greatest-hits compilation featuring highlights from two Adam Carolla Show episodes:

1. A conversation with Corinne Fisher and Krystyna Hutchinson (hosts of the “Guys We F****d” podcast), originally from 2020, focused on relationships, childhood backgrounds, and navigating comedy and showbiz.
2. An interview and live performance set with Hanson recorded in 2022, covering their unique career trajectory, family ethic, music-making process, and stories from the road.

The episode is full of Adam’s signature humor, candid banter, and wide-ranging discussions—from childhood traumas (or lack thereof), the culture of normalcy, to the grind and gratitude of long-haul success in music.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. “Guys We F****d” Interview & Panel Banter

Origins and Podcast Success

• Corinne and Krystyna, based in NYC, discuss the inspirations behind their hit podcast and their developing sitcom with Fox.
• The show’s concept: Imagining their alter-egos as “regular” New Jersey women, not comedians or podcasters.

Internships & Showbiz Pathways ([15:00])

• Adam reflects on the importance of “showing up” physically in the entertainment industry, noting how many radio and TV careers started via internships.

Upbringing: Trauma, Normalcy & Comedy

• Corinne: Describes having a supportive, uneventful, “normal” upbringing.
  • “There’s been a kind of war on normal. People forget how good normal is. This country used to be really normal and it was pretty good.” – Adam Carolla ([20:47])
• Krystyna: Grew up amid familial instability and mental illness, channeling childhood uncertainty into comedy and performance.
  • “I was carrying a lot on my shoulders.” – Krystyna Hutchinson ([24:35])
• Adam & group: Discuss the oddity that ‘normal’ is now an insult, and how trauma is almost a currency in modern media.

Dating & The “Guys We F****d” Experience

• The challenges of dating as comedians, attraction to ‘bad boys,’ and “divining rods” for bad vibes.
• Corinne: Jokes about her penchant for addicts over “special,” stable guys ([28:19]).
• Adam poses lighthearted hypotheticals about deal-breakers—Uber drivers versus people with a Ralph’s Club Card ([29:04]).

The Value of Interests in Relationships

• Group consensus: Passion for something (anything) is attractive, apathy is a big turnoff.
  • “What are you into?” – Adam Carolla laments the rise of the disinterested, “I don’t know” generation ([32:34]).
• Food and music: Some people claim not to care about either, which deeply offends Adam and most guests.

Americans, Trauma Culture, and “Normalcy Guilt”

• Corinne jokes about her “survivor’s guilt” over not having trauma-based material for comedy ([22:36]).

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2. News Roundtable & Pop Culture

Russia/Ukraine, Schwarzenegger & Social Media ([34:48])

• Discussion of Arnold Schwarzenegger’s viral video addressing Russians amid the invasion of Ukraine; the problem of state propaganda.
• Social commentary on generational divides in Russia and information credibility ([36:06]).

Kanye West’s Instagram Suspension ([38:32])

• Panel reviews Kanye’s latest online tirade and its fallout—bullying, racial slurs, and his impact on Kim Kardashian and Pete Davidson.
  • “If the most powerful woman in pop culture can’t get this guy to f*** off, how are the rest of us supposed to feel safe?” – Quoting Trevor Noah ([40:08])
• Tangent: Pete Davidson’s meteoric dating life and surreal celebrity ascent.
  • “Kanye West’s gonna put a bounty out on you because your dick’s too big.” – Adam Carolla ([41:41])
  • Panel laughs at tattoo removal stories and celebrity love lives.

Tattoos, Culture, and Childhood

• The group discusses the symbolism of face and body tattoos—personal expression or “wearing your damage.”
• Anecdotes about Aaron Neville’s iconic facial cross, parental reactions, and cultural meanings of visible tattoos ([45:04]).

International Cultural Hilarity

• Japanese schools’ ban on ponytails (nape of the neck deemed “too sexy”), as a launchpad for joking about cultural repression, sexual mores, and the roots of freaky subcultures ([51:46]).

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3. Hanson: In-Depth Interview and Live Performance

Family Roots & Staying Grounded ([57:28])

• Adam gives praise for the band’s reputation as genuinely good people on and off mic.
  • “You don’t ask people to do things you’re not willing to do yourself.” – Isaac Hanson ([58:48])
• Common ground: Appreciation of work ethic, gratitude, and their parents’ influence.

The Music Industry & Evolving Expectations

• Taylor:
  • “[People say] ‘I love your band because you actually play your instruments.’ … That would be like going up to a talk show host and saying, ‘I love your talk show because you talk.’” ([59:34])
• Insight on longevity: Early obsession, creating your own material, and never resting on past hits.
  • “If you only sang one song that everyone knows you for, like, 24 times a night, you would lose your mind.” – Taylor Hanson ([61:49])

On Fame & Family

• The burden/blessing of notoriety likened to a perpetual family reunion.
  • “Everyone you meet is some distant relative that you have no idea who they are, and they haven’t seen you in 25 years, and they have no idea what you’re doing. … But they want to know what’s going on.” – Zach (Dawson) ([61:51])
• The value of sticking together and focusing on “your tribe.”

Personal Stories, Faith, and Work Ethic

• Roots in Tulsa, eschewing Hollywood for real roots.
  • “Let’s buy 100 acres outside of Tulsa, Oklahoma, where we’re from, and let’s hide out there.” – Isaac Hanson ([79:42])
• Deep family faith and “actions have consequences” ethos.
  • “Probably because we have a real deep faith, spiritual background that said to us from moment one, hey, this is not what you’re living for.” – Isaac Hanson ([91:00])

Overcoming Burnout & Remaining Grateful

• Touring, writing music, and risking new ideas keeps things fresh.
  • “To always be looking forward, you know? Wherever you are is not where you’re going.” – Taylor Hanson ([79:43])
• Dad’s mantra of “here today, gone tomorrow” ingrained from a young age ([87:18]).

Live Hanson Performances ([73:36], [109:23])

• “Write You a Song” (written for Isaac’s daughter)—a warm, harmony-rich Americana tune.
• “Child at Heart” (Taylor’s contribution to their “Red, Green, Blue” album project).
• Both tracks showcase raw harmonies and the familial musical connection.

Philosophy on Danger, Adrenaline, and Living Fully

• Zach’s recent motorcycle accident prompts insight into living at the edge and synthesizing that sense of presence “minus the ball of fire” in everyday life.
  • “You’re not living unless you’re … at that edge.” – Taylor Hanson ([108:39])

Notable Quotes

• “It’s not that you’re not chasing success and fame, but I think that there’s a quality to which we weren’t chasing it.” – Isaac Hanson ([78:58])
• “I think there’s a lot of that same kind of reaction, like if you were in a bank and the bank was being robbed by armed gunmen… some people scream, some people go, ‘I felt this calm come over me.’” – Adam Carolla on handling sudden fame ([95:27])

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Notable Timestamps

• 15:00 – “Guys We F****d”: Podcast origins, sitcom pitch, SNL internship stories
• 20:47 – Adam’s riff on the “war on normal”
• 28:19 – Comedians, dating “addicts,” being the Jane Curtin of comedy
• 40:08 – Trevor Noah on domestic violence and celebrity
• 45:04 – Aaron Neville, face tattoos, and family implications
• 51:46 – Japanese schools ban ponytails; cultural repression in sexual norms
• 57:28 – Hanson in studio; gratitude, family work ethic
• 59:34 – Playing instruments as “bare minimum” expectation
• 73:36 – Hanson performs “Write You a Song”
• 109:23 – Hanson performs “Child at Heart”

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Memorable Moments & Belly Laughs

• Corinne recounting roommate who “didn’t really like music” ([32:59]), leaving the whole panel in disbelief.
• Adam’s incredulous take on people who don’t care about food or music (“Who the fuck are you people?”) ([33:07]).
• Panel’s riff on generational divides in Russia and the “family reunion” of celebrity life.
• Anecdote: Isaac writes “Write You a Song” inspired by his daughter’s guilt trip ([76:54]).
• Taylor on adrenaline as a life “edge”: “For two days you’re walking around ready…” ([108:39]).

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Conclusion

This episode is a blast of vintage “Carolla Show” magic—balancing heartfelt confessions, social commentary, musical excellence, and no-holds-barred banter. Hanson’s grounded warmth is a perfect contrast to Adam and the comics’ biting wit, while the “Guys We F****d” segment highlights how embracing both normalcy and tragedy can inform great comedy. Fans get insider takes on fame, resilience, relationships, showbiz, and a pair of outstanding acoustic performances.

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For more:

• Check out Hanson.net for tour and album details
• Watch the “Guys We F****d” comedy special on YouTube
• Listen to the Carolla Classics archive for more highlights

Transcript

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[Adam Carolla]

Welcome to Cruel Classics. I'm your host, superfan Geo. This is the podcast we play the best moments, highlights and fans like the clips from all 16 years of the Adam Corolla Show. We have a companion podcast titled Corolla Classics available exclusively through Podcast one Premium. You can find the entire ad Free archive. Check out Podcast one plus and if you'd like to find the ad free archives for the Adam Corolla show or the Adam and Dr. Drew show or if you're looking for exclusive access to the brand new podcast Beat it out, make sure to check out Adam Corolla substack adamperolla.substack.com and if you'd like to request a clip, Please email us classicsamcrolo.com alright, let's get to the clips coming up. First we have Adam Crollo show 3266 featuring Kern Fisher and Christina Hutchinson along with Gina Grad and Brian Bishop. The guests are the host of the Guys We Fuck podcast, returning for the second time after first appearing back in 2017. Hope you guys enjoy the clip.

[Chris]

And now Alcoa presents Definitely Not a.

[Dawson]

Jew.

[Chris]

On the Adam Carolla show.

[Adam Carolla]

Dateline Jefferson Parish, Louisiana. A 58 year old woman was arrested.

[Chris]

After allegedly beating her ex boyfriend with his own prosthetic leg. Definitely Not a Jew.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, we found out that Henner Tight. Plays drums in a train themed band for kids.

[Brian Bishop]

What does that mean?

[Gina Grad]

Probably works steadily.

[Brian Bishop]

Wow. Depot Day. He's local at the Travel Town Museum.

[Adam Carolla]

He. Well, maybe he should have sat a little closer to me.

[Brian Bishop]

Wow.

[Adam Carolla]

I bet his parents are proud.

[Gina Grad]

Guy's cashing a check as a musician.

[Adam Carolla]

He's got a drum kit that's shaped like a choo choo train. And he rolls. I guess he rolls. And does it move?

[Brian Bishop]

It looks mobile.

[Adam Carolla]

I didn't. Train themed band for kids plays drums in a train themed band for kids. Yeah, they have stuff on Spotify. They have like original stuff. They do, yeah, but it's all train themed.

[Brian Bishop]

And is it covers made to sound like train songs?

[Adam Carolla]

Not the band train.

[Brian Bishop]

No, no, no. But I mean they incorporate train theme.

[Adam Carolla]

Look at them. They're called the conductors. I know some of their songs. Don't sit too close to a moron. You'll end up playing the drums. Cart. Travel Town. You guys ever get out to Travel Town?

[Brian Bishop]

We do. We take the kids often. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Another big move for me in the rebellious department is Travel Town had a couple of old retired jet fighters. I don't know if they're there or not.

[Brian Bishop]

They are not.

[Adam Carolla]

But they had a couple, you know, Lockheed was up the street and they gave him a couple shells of an F 111 or something. A couple that were up there, but they had a fence, a big high fence around them. They didn't want people monkeying with those airplanes. You could get up on the train and walk through caboose and stuff like that. But the aircraft, different story. Oh, there it is, an old picture. Oh, what do we got? Hold on a second. We drive it all. We went right over that fence. I would always go over the fence and crawled up the exhaust of the plane because they had. The engine was out, hence why the fence was there. Hence the fence called right up the back end of that thing and got into the cockpit.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, I can see that.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, how could you not. The numbers right on. It is 420.

[Adam Carolla]

That's right. We got the. What's that? We got some.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, the real train sets up so.

[Chris]

Early in the morning.

[Adam Carolla]

Hey, Chris.

[Brian Bishop]

Everybody.

[Adam Carolla]

Good drumming.

[Brian Bishop]

Sounds like I want candy.

[Adam Carolla]

Now, is Henner singing or is he just playing it?

[Dawson]

No, he's not the singer.

[Adam Carolla]

He's just a drummer. No, he spent too much time next to you. So he's not smart enough to drum. Remember the lyrics.

[Brian Bishop]

What other train songs for children are there?

[Gina Grad]

Is there a Kissy Jones something?

[Adam Carolla]

Probably, yeah. You can't you can't do Johnny Cash here. That train. I would expect more of a Train beat, you know, a little more Johnny Cash style settings. Going away from the train a little bit. So I guess they can book them for parties and events and do stuff like that.

[Gina Grad]

Locomotion's gotta be a closer.

[Chris]

Yes, a closer.

[Brian Bishop]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

There's. Yeah, there's the Clash Train in vain. I think there's a Train song by the Clash. I don't know if they're talking about trains. The Aircrafts were transferred in the 80s and 90s, so they got rid of the Travel Town. But Travel Town was the place. No one had any money. So one of your cheap friends had a birthday party. You just end up there. And it was like. It was a step up from going to the park. But it didn't cost anything for the parents. They didn't have to rent out a Chuck E. Cheese or anything. Just go Travel Town and look at the. I went to a couple birthday parties there when I was nine years old. And I have a weird, crazy recollection of something that was burned into my psyche over there. It was like some kid. You know when you go to a kid's birthday party and there's a couple rando kids who are like, I never knew him, but you know him, But I know him, but what are we doing here? And this kid was like a couple years younger than me and I've not had this thought in 40 years, but he cut his finger, a little something, and it was bleeding. And he kept looking at me and he went, blood, blood. And I was like, look at his finger going, I don't even know you, dude. And he said, blood. I was like 9 and he was 7. And he just kept going, blood. And it just fucking burned in my psyche. That's why you can't. Don't fuck with people. You know what I mean? Certain shit sucks. It gets stuck. It's in there now he's in there with the Cal Worthington theme song and all the other shit. I don't want in there. It's just there.

[Brian Bishop]

People don't forget.

[Adam Carolla]

Just kept yelling, blood. And he kept holding his finger up and he wasn't crying. He had some sort of obsession with it. I never thought a seven year old.

[Brian Bishop]

Boy, probably a serial killer.

[Adam Carolla]

I haven't thought about it in a million years. All right. In the keto department. I'll tell you something. It's all. Everyone's always. We're trying to do the cauliflower, the cauliflower, the cauliflower. Swapping out everything with the cauliflower. But do not forget about the cabbage.

[Brian Bishop]

Do tell.

[Adam Carolla]

Olga made a stuffed cabbage roll. Took big leaves of cabbage. It was like ground beef, chopped up a lot of garlic and onion and all sorts of good stuff. Put it in there, wrapped it up tight. The size of a smallish tamale.

[Gina Grad]

That's called something.

[Brian Bishop]

Cabbage rolls.

[Gina Grad]

Oh, I thought it was called like a Hungarian.

[Brian Bishop]

It is.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, it's like cabbage rolls are great, but they normally have rice in them. It's just all the stuff sort of minus the ricey part. And then put the tomato sauce over the top and put the cheese over the top and put it in the oven and then did the sour cream. Fucking delectable and delightful and no kind of missing. I wish we had the corn or the not missing it.

[Brian Bishop]

That sounds great.

[Adam Carolla]

Good. Yeah, do the cabbage thing.

[Brian Bishop]

I got pulled chicken in the slow cooker right now. Not a euphemism. You know, I got a trade soul. I have to tell you, nothing brings. And I never thought I'd be someone to say this now that I have a little kid and a husband in the house. I always say, like, wrap it up. I gotta get home. I gotta go to the grocery store to cook dinner for the boys.

[Chris]

And.

[Brian Bishop]

And I love it. Nothing makes me happier than if Andy's done working and they're on the couch playing, you know, Mario Kart and I'm in there rattling the pots and pans. That's the way I like it.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, good. And the slow cooker again, does it work for you? I know where you're from. If you tell me you're all about a slow cooker. You're not from Van Nuys or Sherman Oaks. You're from the Midwest somewhere and you've come here and you pack your slow cooker. I will say more people ought to use the slow cooker because it's awesome.

[Brian Bishop]

Set it and forget it.

[Adam Carolla]

Also, let's not forget the foreplay of the slow cooker, which is if you order a bunch of shit from grubhub at some point, some scary dude's just going to show up at your door and you'll have it. Slow cooker's a lot of foreplay there because that stuff will start permeating the scent of the house three hours before it's time.

[Gina Grad]

A come hither scent.

[Adam Carolla]

And then it's a lot of kissing on the neck and sweet nothings, because then you'll go to the. You'll go to it. The siren song will draw you to it's true. You'll go to it and you'll go. We have about another hour. Smells good. I'm just going to sit here and my meat over here.

[Brian Bishop]

That's right.

[Adam Carolla]

And it's such. It's such anticipation.

[Brian Bishop]

Chili, Swedish meatballs.

[Adam Carolla]

And. And it just gets hold of you at some point. You go over there, lift the lid off and pull like a little sliver of the beef off there or something like that. You get a little. Just moisten. Oh, just a little moistness in the lips.

[Brian Bishop]

Since everything sounds gross, what we're saying right now. Guess what I got at the grocery store yesterday that I can't wait to make this weekend. Shaved pork.

[Adam Carolla]

Let's fucking rad.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, I'm really excited. Little Korean style.

[Adam Carolla]

So good.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah.

[Gina Grad]

While we wait for our guests.

[Adam Carolla]

Are the guests pulling in now?

[Gina Grad]

Oh, well, I remembered the first two times I ever got thrown out of class. We're both in third grade now. I was going to Catholic elementary school, and one time they were explaining how the hierarchy of the Catholic administration works. Like there's cardinals, there's bishops, and I yell out, hey, that's how you spell my name. And they're like, brian, get out of class. Seven year old or whatever it was. Eight year old, out of class. And then the second time I deserved it more because we're playing some bingo game, right? Some game, vocabulary, who fucking knows? And at one point, at a switch card to our neighbor, and we switched the cards, and every time something came up that wasn't on my card, I would yell to the guy next, the kid next to me, curse your cards. Curse your card. About the fourth or fifth time they.

[Adam Carolla]

Threw me out of class, I. I was only officially material.

[Gina Grad]

Not my best stuff.

[Adam Carolla]

I was only officially suspended once, but it's because I had my stupid go home for lunch pass. Because I lived across the street and I left. I didn't have the pass. And they're like, you can't go without the pass. I was always like, look, either you got it or you don't. Why do you physically have to brandish it? I'm on the list. Check the office. I go, you leave, you're suspended. And I was like, I'm eating. And I just left. And then I came back and was immediately suspended. But Mr. Tomey, my counselor, the part that I forgot about. I know I've told all these stories before, but that's all rushing into my brain. You would have to fill out your emergency card before you registered because I was incapable of doing anything I could not take the emergency card home, have my parents fill it out, their work addresses and all that shit, sign it, and then bring it back. And it would always be registration day. And I didn't have the card filled out, so I filled it out myself. But I filled it out in a very comical way. So, you know, my mom's. Where's my mom's workplace? Hollywood and Vine. You know, she's a prostitute. And then my dad, his job description was he works for the FBI. And then when it said number, address, I wrote classified, classified on everything. And then it said my home address was the Ronald McDonald halfway house for, like, Wayward Girls or whatever. I did it eight months ago and I forgot about it.

[Gina Grad]

Classic material.

[Adam Carolla]

Mr. Tomey pulled it out and he just looked at it and then he looked at me, and then he looked at it again. He went, did you fill this out? And I went, ah, not to best of my. I don't have a Cox in it. Yeah, it was clear. Karine and Christina. Hi. Hi.

[Corinne Fisher]

How are you? Adam, how are you?

[Adam Carolla]

Good.

[Corinne Fisher]

Gina. Brian.

[Brian Bishop]

Hi there.

[Corinne Fisher]

Pleasure.

[Adam Carolla]

Welcome in the comedy special. It's a debut comedy special, guys. We fucked up our special day and it's available free on YouTube right now. And also the podcast guys, we fucked as well. Good to see you guys.

[Corinne Fisher]

Great to see you. Thanks for having us.

[Adam Carolla]

Are you based in New York City?

[Corinne Fisher]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

And out here doing some cool things.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah. Riding around in a convertible Sunburn on the 101. Yeah. And here the dream. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And is there something cooking with Fox in your show as well? I'm reading here.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah. Yeah. We're in development with Fox. Terrific. To do a sitcom.

[Adam Carolla]

Nice.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, nothing.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And is it all just based on the success of the podcast?

[Corinne Fisher]

I'd see, like, the origin story if these two women who co host guys be fucked, weren't podcasters, weren't comedians, and they were living in New Jersey. Who would they be and how would they affect the town that they lived in?

[Adam Carolla]

But that's good.

[Corinne Fisher]

Good pitch. Wow. Thank you so much. Every time she says it, I'm like.

[Brian Bishop]

This is a good show.

[Adam Carolla]

You got into the Zeitgeist. That's good. So, Christina, you were intern at snl.

[Corinne Fisher]

I was.

[Adam Carolla]

Back in the day.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah. I moved to New York. I switched schools to intern at snl and after the third interview, failed interview, they accepted me. They gave me a pity position, but I appreciated it. Nice.

[Adam Carolla]

I was just talking to someone about interning the other day and I thought it's so important just to physically get into the Place. Anyone who knows radio or we all come from radio. Radio is all about physically getting into the building. And at some point, the person that was driving the van becomes the producer of the morning show or a sidekick. Talent like you physically have to get there. We never discussed that. We talk all about like the training and certification and all that stuff, but, like just getting inside that building.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah. Interning is. I interned all throughout college. It's how I met Corinne at an internship. I was interning for her company. Yeah. I was like, it wasn't my company. It was. I was gonna say, yeah, yeah, I owned a company. Kicking ass. No, I wish I was. I'm a couple years older. I was an assistant at a tal management company, Shout Out, Liebman Entertainment. Because I thought I was going to be like Ari from Entourage. That was the dream.

[Adam Carolla]

Sure. Yeah. It seems such a bygone era now when you think about all the publicists and agents and the fact that I haven't been in William Morris for a long time, but they had a 17 story building right off of Wilshire and Beverly Hills. You don't. Do we physically even need any of that stuff anymore?

[Corinne Fisher]

The pandemic has changed every. Everything. Our agents have been working from home since. Right since it started. I don't think the offices have opened up. Ca did reopen because I saw it on. I saw it on Instagram, but I also haven't been there personally. But yeah, they were out for like a year at least.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, but is it harder to take your agent seriously when they're like in their jam jams. Petting their cat?

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah. Every zoom meeting I've ever been on, I'm doing way worse. So I'm like, we know they're humans. You know, it's like it's your parents where they feel godly for the first couple years of your life. When someone zooms in from their bedroom, I'm like, I don't want to see that.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, please go to the kitchen table.

[Adam Carolla]

So you guys, you hooked up. It's been over. Has it been a decade?

[Corinne Fisher]

Eight years? Almost.

[Adam Carolla]

Almost a decade. And stand up. Where did that begin?

[Corinne Fisher]

That began. My internship was the. My last semester of college. And at the very last episode, I asked one of the writers I like, got the guts up to ask one of the writers what I had to do to get on the show. And he was an improv guy, but he said, stand up. And I was like, damn it, I.

[Adam Carolla]

Don'T wanna do that.

[Corinne Fisher]

But I did. I did. I got into it my first ever I didn't do a mic because I didn't know about them. I did a bringer show. I begged my friends to pay $20 cover and a two drink minimum. And Corinne was one of those friends. Hello.

[Adam Carolla]

How much time did you do? 5.

[Corinne Fisher]

It was so bad, I gotta say. It wasn't bad. I wouldn't, I wouldn't. I was a stand up fan at the time and I was taking classes at UCB and it wasn't bad because I was like, that makes me look bad. I was reached out to Christina and after that show and I was like, we need to work together. I think there's a difference between like eight, like nailing your first stand up from a standup perspective or seeing someone do five minutes and be like they fudgeing have something, you know, because I was in the, I was in the business of potential. Of potential, exactly. Of management. And I really feel like I saw a lot of people and I feel like my, my, my like sight is good on people. And I was like, we need to work together. Corinne's the only person that if we meet, we've met a lot of people together. We've been working so closely for so long. She'll call people out as being pieces of trash. And I'm like, really?

[Brian Bishop]

Are you sure?

[Corinne Fisher]

She's like, nope. I have a feeling it's 100% track record.

[Brian Bishop]

What is a supercomputer?

[Corinne Fisher]

100. You can, I don't know, it's like an innate thing. You can tell. And I'm not talking about like calling people out like pieces of trash as in cancel culture. I'm talking, I'm talking about me just having this witch, this witch knowledge that they are a bad person dead zone.

[Gina Grad]

Thing, touch them and you know, the bad things.

[Adam Carolla]

What do you think of Gina?

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, God, she's great.

[Corinne Fisher]

She doesn't look like she's not bad vibes. Honestly, I think part of it is just having been raised in a healthy house and that's. I thought a lot of people were raised in a healthy environment.

[Brian Bishop]

No, you're the one.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah. No one was. And I think so that just gives you a more accurate read of who people really are. And that's it. That's simple.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, and also you, you luckily know what boundaries are instinctually and how people.

[Corinne Fisher]

Are supposed to be treated. Sure.

[Brian Bishop]

Where the rest of us are like, I guess that's love.

[Corinne Fisher]

Thank God one of us knows. Yeah, no, that's very accurate. And I learned a lot. I didn't realize that most people don't Just love themselves as the first option. Until I was like 30 and so I was walking around and I. Things people would say never resonated with me. And I felt like when I spoke, people looked at me like I was an alien or doubt or thought it was some kind of performance. And I'm like, what's going on here? Why don't I. I relate to anybody. This can't be possible. But that's what it was.

[Adam Carolla]

What was so healthy about your house?

[Corinne Fisher]

Just. Right. It was really, really regular. Just nothing, nothing special was going on, which I think is great. No, no. Hugely memorable stories or events, good or bad. Yeah. A lot of laughing, a lot of encouragement. We're getting to school on time. We're getting good grades. I mean, not, not perfect and you know, very middle class suburbs. My dad owns a baseball card store. My mom was a teacher.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow.

[Corinne Fisher]

Have a brother, Lion.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, there's been a kind of war on. Normal people fucking forget how good normal is. This country used to be really normal and it was pretty good. Like we've. There's something about that convention that we just fucking attacked. I think it frankly was normal people seem to enjoy their lives and the abnormal people are fucking miserable. And it sort of became religious in that religious people are like deeply or depending on what your religion is. But there's a lot of, like, you guys are sinners. You're fucked. We're gonna go to the mountain. The rapture's happening this weekend and you guys are all fucked. And then they go up to the mountain and nothing happens. And then they come back down and they look at the people barbecuing and enjoying themselves. And at some point they go, fuck it, let's steal his barbecue and call him an asshole. Miserable people hate happy people and they hate normal people. And this country is so weird that normal is considered like it's an endangered species now. No one wants to be normal, or it's a pejorative, like you're boring or something like that. Normal's about. That's the best state to go through life in.

[Brian Bishop]

Get yourself to zero.

[Adam Carolla]

That's right.

[Corinne Fisher]

I definitely feel boring a lot, especially being a comedian. And because, because of that, it's very weird. Like people will invite me on their podcast and I go, I don't really have anything. You're gonna, you're gonna be falling asleep. I don't have anything to talk about. No major like traumas or anything. But I'm. I, I don't. I'm not, I'm not yearning for It. I do feel sometimes like I need to. And I recently got out of this, like, apologize for not having had a bad childhood. But I talked to myself, no, we need you around. My God. We need more people are normal.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Corinne Fisher]

To lift their voices up. Yeah. It's like a weird version of survivor's guilt, I guess.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Well, I mean, everyone is trying to like, retroactively inject some trauma into their past. Like we were, you know, everyone. It's true. We've trained everyone, you know, it's like I have a lot of black friends. You've never met any of them. Like, we have this thing, lower middle, lower. You know, it's always funny when they're pitching it, you know, and the thing is, they can't keep track of their own story. Like, we're very middle class, very blue collar. Anyway, my first year abroad in France when I was studying the cello, it's like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait. How did you get from Joe Six back to France when you were 19? But we're trying to tamp it down. And I would argue, let's celebrate normal a little.

[Corinne Fisher]

You're right. No, I saw the same thing happening in standup and I was like, I don't. I think it takes away from other people's experiences that were truly traumatic if I pretend to dig into some trauma that I don't feel exists in any way. So I actually just leaned the hard the other direction. And. And I have jokes about having a nice childhood and how no one wants to listen, you know, to your band if your parents are still together, that kind of a thing. I just. Yeah, I just want to. I like to be honest, even if it is considered boring. So whatever.

[Adam Carolla]

Christina, what about you family?

[Corinne Fisher]

I got. I got one.

[Adam Carolla]

Abnormal?

[Corinne Fisher]

Uh huh. Yeah. Or, well, normal according to the majority. But yeah, a lot of depression, a lot of undiagnosed things and knock any communication about it. So I just kind of grew up. I grew up. I was in flea markets a lot. Just in weird environments. Yeah. And then my family, my mom was mentally ill and we never talked about it, so I was just like, you know, I internalized it and I thought, well, maybe, maybe I can help her. Maybe I can do something to cheer her up at like 4, 5, 6 years old. So my childhood, I was carrying a lot on my shoulders.

[Adam Carolla]

Do you think that's where the comedy comes from?

[Corinne Fisher]

Absolutely.

[Adam Carolla]

Performing, trying to get your mom out of her head.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah. Cause when you don't know what mom you're gonna get, and she comes downstairs and you're like, oh, please be the nice one and not the mean one. You want it?

[Brian Bishop]

You.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah, you get performative very quickly when she's not in a good mood.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, you had a second story, at least that's in your house. At least there's some stairs to come down.

[Brian Bishop]

That sounds a lot like the Robin Williams story that now we're kind of just hearing, or I'm just hearing, but that's where he said he got it. He was raised kind of a combination, really upper middle class in like a castle in Michigan, but super fucking lonely. And mom, like, kind of maybe not like you said, not knowing which one you're gonna get. And always perform for her. And that's where that big boisterous personality came from.

[Corinne Fisher]

And my mom milked it, too. She used to tell me she was always. She always had sore shoulders as a kid. And I would massage them, and she would tell me that the longer I massaged her shoulders, the longer she would live.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, my God.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow.

[Corinne Fisher]

And I bought that shit. I was like, my mom's life is in my hand.

[Adam Carolla]

Liter.

[Corinne Fisher]

I'm coming to save the day.

[Adam Carolla]

God, it's scary. Parents, first off, it's insane that there's much range as there is. You know what I mean? You're telling me you think polar bears work that way? Like, oh, that's the alcoholic, lazy, depressed mama polar bear over there. And then there's the energetic polar bear mama. Like, it's weird that there's chasm the same person.

[Corinne Fisher]

Sometimes human childhood can be very tumultuous. And it's so funny that we're the only species of animal that have a childhood that lasts 18 years. That's a long ass. A fawn comes out and starts walking right away. Like, we're just so dependent on the parents.

[Adam Carolla]

I've got guys I went to high school with that are the adolescent childhood is getting into their early 50s. They're well past it. I know some dudes that we know some comedians probably.

[Corinne Fisher]

Oh, I've dated a lot of people who are still in childhood. Like, by those standards, I'm considered a sex offender. So 100%.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. I mean, how many male. I know a ton of male comedians, like, in their 50s. Like, he doesn't drive, he doesn't have kids, he's not married. You know, he wants to. He likes watching Spider man movies. It's like, this is adolescence, people. I don't know how else you define. Now, the good news is, I guess the one thing that makes them an adult is they Drink a lot. But other than that, they're eating fucking fast food and watching, you know, daytime. Watching cinema during the day and, you know, hanging out.

[Gina Grad]

Like, it is strong opinions on the Avengers.

[Adam Carolla]

It is an adolescence that is stretched. And I think comedians, male comedians especially, it's kind of interesting. Maybe the female comedians, maybe they have to grow up faster because of the environment. The male comedians, they're just hanging out.

[Corinne Fisher]

They're kids for life.

[Adam Carolla]

Kids for life.

[Gina Grad]

What percentage of the titular guys we fucked are comedians? Like, how many of your background dating history is comics?

[Corinne Fisher]

A lot for me. Just two for me because I was with one person for seven years.

[Adam Carolla]

So comic.

[Corinne Fisher]

No, no, no.

[Adam Carolla]

I wish you guys ever. Jeff Ross.

[Corinne Fisher]

Did he tell you he said something?

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, we say he wouldn't tell me which one.

[Corinne Fisher]

I've never anyone famous, so. Or even with a career that you might think take would take off. It's our specialty.

[Gina Grad]

And you wanted to be an agent?

[Adam Carolla]

0%.

[Corinne Fisher]

Her vagina isn't a good booker, but her mind is. Yeah. Like, no. Knowing who's gonna make it and then deciding who you want to have sex with her. Two very different skill sets. Two different bins.

[Adam Carolla]

And how has your divining rod worked for you in terms of dudes? Like, avoiding the creepy guys with your gut instinct?

[Corinne Fisher]

I mean, I don't date creepy guys, but I date a lot of addicts. Like, I'm obsessed with addicts, and I'm not sure why. I think it's maybe like, they seem exciting coming from such normalcy. Like, I always think. I always think of myself as like the Jane Curtain of the comedy world. She was the, you know, on snl, and then everyone else would go out and do cocaine and she's like, went home to her family and went to bed early. And besides the going to bed early, that's definitely me. But yeah, no, I don't have great taste in men, but it's not like I'm surprised when they're not good. I go into it knowing it's going to be bad, but interesting. And my track record works out as such.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, so bigger deal breaker sexually.

[Gina Grad]

Oh, boy.

[Corinne Fisher]

Let's go.

[Brian Bishop]

Adam o'.

[Corinne Fisher]

Brien. Let's go.

[Adam Carolla]

The guy, first date, got the Uber sticker on the car. So he's doing a little side hustle.

[Corinne Fisher]

But he has a car.

[Adam Carolla]

Has a car.

[Gina Grad]

Wait, they're in New York.

[Brian Bishop]

That's a big ticket item.

[Corinne Fisher]

That is a big ticket item.

[Adam Carolla]

It's got an Uber on it, though. He's an Uber guy.

[Corinne Fisher]

Okay, Wait for it.

[Gina Grad]

He's got the plug in light up.

[Adam Carolla]

Lift versus the guy at the keychain with the Ralph's club card on it. So he's getting his discount when he goes to the grocery store.

[Corinne Fisher]

Oh, that's sweet.

[Adam Carolla]

That's good.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah, I mean, both. Neither would be a deal breaker.

[Adam Carolla]

Neither bad.

[Corinne Fisher]

No, neither. I probably would go over Uber over Ralph's, but neither bother me.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. But as you, you know, build up some career momentum, big deals with Fox moving and shaking, you're talking to someone.

[Corinne Fisher]

Whose ex boyfriend has track marks. So I'm just like, that's true. I saw him last night.

[Brian Bishop]

We were hanging with him last night.

[Corinne Fisher]

There's still a thing in his arm.

[Brian Bishop]

He has a car and he's frugal.

[Corinne Fisher]

At this point, I've never dated anybody.

[Adam Carolla]

No.

[Corinne Fisher]

Off to all the other people who dated who's special. So I would love to date a guy who's like, special. Do you know, like, that. I don't know. Just cares about making the world a better place. Has. Has niche interests, reads a lot, you know, and so at this point in my life, I wouldn't date either of those people.

[Chris]

Yay.

[Adam Carolla]

Good special ed. Do you want to, like, what would you like? Would you like, really into mountain biking or nerdy?

[Corinne Fisher]

So I'm actually seeing somebody now who's a historian and I. He's so freaking smart. Oh, my God. I'm just like, tell me about World War II. And I just got a globe. I just purchased the globe.

[Gina Grad]

It's Good purchase, big time.

[Adam Carolla]

I love.

[Gina Grad]

It's a globe bar.

[Corinne Fisher]

It's an educational globe. No, no. Straight up educational facts.

[Adam Carolla]

Do not lean against it. I've seen way too many movies where I lean against it. And it's spun and then you're on.

[Brian Bishop]

The deck and it has the textured topography.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yes, That's a good one.

[Brian Bishop]

Awesome.

[Corinne Fisher]

And it's. I stare at it all day and I'm just like, man, I didn't know half this was.

[Gina Grad]

What is a professional historian, by the way?

[Adam Carolla]

Never get a dream catcher because you'll never get out of bed mesmerized all day.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah, talk about inner child. Mine will never go away.

[Gina Grad]

What does a professional historian do for income?

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah, he works as a professor. He's writing a biography of. He's writing a book right now, a biography of a famous senator. And he works at a center for a college like a nearby century.

[Adam Carolla]

So we got some potential here.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah, I like. And he got so many books. Oh, my God, he's so much smart. So much smarter. Than me.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm not trying to, you know, drive a wedge between you, but I feel like you guys are on the precipice of some real success here. And, you know, what he's doing is limited. It's noble, it's admirable, but not a ton of financial upside. Like what happens when you take Hollywood by storm.

[Corinne Fisher]

And, you know, he's doing pretty well, I gotta say. He's. I've seen his apartment.

[Gina Grad]

And her voice went up and she.

[Corinne Fisher]

Said, no, he seems like he's. He seems like he's actually killing it. I have not been to aforementioned apartment, but I heard it described in detail. It sounds pretty sweet. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

All right.

[Corinne Fisher]

He owns property. He's. He's doing really well. And he's got big visions for himself and his future and where he wants to take his degree and what he wants to do and how he wants to make the world a better place. Oh, boy. I just really want a guy who wants to make the world a better place too. So I'm not the only one in the couple that gives a shit.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Yeah. We wouldn't make a good team.

[Corinne Fisher]

No, we would not.

[Adam Carolla]

But I do. It is true. I think the least attractive thing you can be is when you say to someone like, what are you into? And they're like, I don't know, who are these people? They're all like, every 19 year old boy I've talked to in the last five years go, like, what do you want to do, man? And they go, I don't know.

[Gina Grad]

Like Instagram?

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, Fortnite.

[Corinne Fisher]

I once had a college roommate who told me she didn't really like music. And I go, I'm gonna tap out here.

[Adam Carolla]

There's a group of. We'll call them humans because we're being generous, who don't like music. And then they're close cousins, the ones that don't really like food. And I'm like, who the fuck are you people? Where did this shit? It's like, I'll eat. I just. Not really, you know, I'm not a foodie.

[Corinne Fisher]

I got it. I gotta admit something, with the food, I don't really give a shit. I mean, I eat it. I got it.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, ouch.

[Corinne Fisher]

Hey. I'm Jewish and I'm a child of trauma. My stomach's fucked up. I can't eat a lot. I make up for it. I would eat a fry off a plate that was about to be bust as we're exiting a diner. Like, anything I ate.

[Brian Bishop]

And it's appropriate for the season I ate a hamantash off of the PATH train floor. I used to live in New York.

[Corinne Fisher]

Was it wrapped?

[Brian Bishop]

No, just. I brought them, but I spilled it. And I was like, these are very expensive.

[Corinne Fisher]

It was yours. It was yours. Okay.

[Brian Bishop]

I knew where it started, but it was on the PATH train floor. I love. I was gonna waste it.

[Corinne Fisher]

You must have an excellent immune system.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, I do now.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah, I did it.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, well, Gina's got some news cooking for us. You guys want to hang in and crack wise and roll with the news? All right, we'll do that right after this. Give me the news with grad. News with Gino Grad.

[Isaac Hanson]

Breaking viral, weird crime, protest, politics. Give me news with Gino Grass.

[Adam Carolla]

Stuff they saw on tmz. Joe Biden coming out. Big news with Gina. Gina Gr. The news with Gina Grass.

[Brian Bishop]

Let's talk Arnold Schwarzenegger because he has delivered a message regarding Russia's invasion of Ukraine. But not to that. Real quick.

[Gina Grad]

We were talking yesterday about world leaders who would intimidate and frankly, scare. How do we forget about Schwarzenegger?

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. The governor, the ultimate example. Jesse Venture.

[Adam Carolla]

That's right. Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

So he tweeted this 9 minute video telling Russian people that their government has been lying to them and hiding the truth about what's going on in Ukraine. And we're going to watch literally 20 seconds of it. But he says the Russian government's lied to you, not only to the citizens, but to the soldiers. Here's what he says.

[Adam Carolla]

The Russian government has lied not only to the citizens, but to its soldiers. Some of the soldiers were told they were going to fight Nazis. Some were told that the Ukrainian people would greet them like heroes. And some were told that they were simply going on exercise. They didn't even know that they were going into war. War. And some were told that they were there to protect ethnic Russians in Ukraine. None of this is true.

[Brian Bishop]

He also goes on to talk about, you know, how the Russian people have said there are Nazis there and we've got to get the, you know, got to clean that up. And he's like, remember, Zelensky's Jewish. His. His family perished in the Holocaust. But he doesn't know who's going to see this. He's just hoping it gets into Russia.

[Gina Grad]

Sweet office.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Are they not. Not onto him? I mean, the citizens, like, I think they are.

[Corinne Fisher]

I think the Russia. There's. I've seen a lot of videos of people in Russia going, hey, this sucks, and we don't want to be doing this.

[Brian Bishop]

There's been Plenty of protests for sure. And they've been arrested. Absolutely. I was watching. I don't know if it was CNN or Fox, but one of the women there was like, I tried to tell my parents this is happening and they're in Russia and they don't believe it. So I don't know if it's generational, I don't know.

[Corinne Fisher]

But, like 60% of Russians apparently were good with the invasion. That's. I mean, because I do a new show where we look at news from both the right and the left. So I'm like to try to get some truth in the middle, but amen, girl. It just gives me a headache every Tuesday, honestly. But, yeah, that's what I read. And I was surprised because I feel like, what's getting into American, especially, like, social media, which is where we like to consume so much of our news these days, Twitter and Instagram. It's all these stories of how a lot of the Russians are against it. But I don't know if that's just the news that they think the Americans want to see or if it's the actual truth.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, I mean, 40% will take it. You know, if 60% don't believe it, that's almost half that are like, fuck this.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

But, yeah, it's still. The majority are.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. Also, a lot of the soldiers aren't Russian. Those are.

[Gina Grad]

They're mercenaries.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. They're like, I don't know, Serbian or something. He's not gonna sacrifice his guys. He's gonna get other.

[Corinne Fisher]

Well, I heard also sacrifice. The birth rate in Russia has been declining so badly that there was speculation that he wanted to do. Vlady Poots wanted to get this done before. No one wanted to be in the army, in the military, which is interesting.

[Brian Bishop]

It's good stuff.

[Corinne Fisher]

Like, yeah, no one wants to be there. And I was looking at my globe, so glad I got.

[Chris]

Oh, yeah, Russia's big country.

[Corinne Fisher]

It's closer to Alaska than I thought.

[Brian Bishop]

That's why she could see her house.

[Corinne Fisher]

What I thought, I'm like, wait, we were making fun of Sarah Palin for being a dum dum, but she is about other stuff. But Russia is pretty close to Alaska.

[Brian Bishop]

Very close.

[Corinne Fisher]

She could see from her out technically, but Russia's huge and their population's declining. So I'm like, no one. Ain't nobody want to live there anymore.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, we've brought this up from time to time. Where the hell is Steven Seagal? Where does he come down on this defector to Russia?

[Corinne Fisher]

Oh, right, right. Yeah. Cause he's lived.

[Brian Bishop]

He's a fan.

[Adam Carolla]

He goes there and does, like, exhibition karate tournaments.

[Gina Grad]

He has a residency in Vegas.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Where is he?

[Corinne Fisher]

At the pub. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Haven't heard anything out of him.

[Brian Bishop]

I know. It'd be nice.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I agree.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, you know who else we're not going to hear from for about 24 more hours? Kanye West.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, he's got.

[Brian Bishop]

He went too far. Too far. He's been suspended from Instagram for the rest of the day. If you're listening to this now, after his latest tirade, this time accusing Kim and Pete Davidson and Trevor Noah and D.L. hughley and a couple other people, a spokesperson for Meta, who owns Facebook, tells TMZ that Kanye violated Instagram's policies on hate speech, harassment, bullying. He won't be able to post or comment or DM for a couple of days. The spokesperson said. Also to tmz, they'll take additional steps if more violations occur. Did you see what he saved?

[Gina Grad]

Ideal Hugly?

[Corinne Fisher]

Oh, a lot of stuff. And then D.L. hughley, did you see his tweet?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Corinne Fisher]

He was like, how bad is Kanye west that he had Kim go Kardashian go to a white guy?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Corinne Fisher]

And he said, like, you have, like.

[Brian Bishop]

Damn, Kanye has goons that'll go and try and kill me, but no one that'll refill his prescription.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah, but then I'm like, this is all unfolding. I'm like, now everybody kind of a little bit, a little, little, little bit understands what it's like to have a bipolar patient.

[Chris]

No.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

It's a lot.

[Corinne Fisher]

This is all familiar to me.

[Brian Bishop]

Okay.

[Corinne Fisher]

I feel at home.

[Brian Bishop]

I'm gonna read Trevor Noah's statement. This is why he attacked Trevor Noah. That was deleted quickly. Had a racial slur just repeated over and over again. It was the lyrics of Kumbaya, but it was changed from the M to the N. Oh, my God. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh.

[Brian Bishop]

So that was. That was what got him in trouble over there.

[Gina Grad]

Rich banks. Listen up.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow.

[Corinne Fisher]

His creativity's really popping.

[Brian Bishop]

But this. People don't think about it. Well, women do. Men often don't think about this. This is what Trevor Noah said. What we're seeing is one of the most powerful, one of the richest women in the world unable to get her ex to stop texting her, to stop chasing after her, to stop harassing her. And it goes on and on from there. But it's just like, if the most powerful woman in pop culture can't get this guy to fuck off, how the rest of us supposed to be feel.

[Adam Carolla]

Safe you know, it'd be funny. I was talking about that LeBron James commercial where he was talking to the 18 year old version of himself or the 17 year version. I like to do that with Pete Davidson. I like to find him.

[Corinne Fisher]

Gets better.

[Adam Carolla]

When he was 17, 12, crying over his.

[Brian Bishop]

Brian.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, Brian. No, but that. Yeah, I know. That's the story. Like he's in Hoboken or something or wherever. The.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah, Hoboken.

[Brian Bishop]

Staten Island. Staten Island. Not Hoboken.

[Adam Carolla]

Staten Island. Yeah, Staten Island. Staten Island. Wherever he is. Right. Yes. He's sitting there when he was 17, probably smoking weed, doing nothing. Had some dreams about. He surely knew who Kanye west was and who Kim Kardashian was. I mean, they were all. I mean, I don't. Pete Davidson is 26. I mean, sure, around that. Yeah. What is he? I mean, something like that.

[Corinne Fisher]

When he was 19 at like the Stand, because we were doing shows, everyone was doing shows with him and stuff because he was on the New York comedy scene and he was really great. Stand up. It was. He stood out, like right away because he was so young and he was really tight with his material.

[Adam Carolla]

I'll put him at 17, sitting back at Staten island island to know that this shall now be your life. And then Kanye West's gonna put a bounty out on you because your dick's too big. You know what I mean? You had to just be sitting in his fucking bedroom at his mom's house going, what?

[Corinne Fisher]

No way.

[Adam Carolla]

No way.

[Gina Grad]

Sounds like a mad library.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, first thing you do is you just get him really stoned and then you take him to the present day, like right now, and you go, this. This is what you can look forward to.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, yeah. And by the way, she's like eighth of all the hot chicks you've been with.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah. Let's go back.

[Brian Bishop]

He's super into her. We know that now because he didn't get tattooed. He got Kim branded on his chest. You can kind of see it right there. It says Kim next to the laughing skull. And he has other tattoos that are for her. You can't see it in that picture, but Kim said on Ellen the other day that, like. Right. Like on his collarbone it says, my girlfriend's a lawyer. My girl's a lawyer. So he's committing to the bit for sure.

[Gina Grad]

In the spirit of guys we fucked, good or bad idea to get a tattoo of someone's name on yourself?

[Corinne Fisher]

That would be a bad idea. It's bad. But it's good because it's so bad. Yeah. A fun Toxic love. Their tattoo removal is a thing now. So now that tattoo removal is a thing. It's just a fun, toxic thing to do. I don't know.

[Brian Bishop]

I love seeing, like, the Instagram, like, the sucky tattoos where they change them from the old girlfriend to the flower bed. Right. Like, Johnny Depp was famous for that with Winona.

[Corinne Fisher]

Damn. That's right. He had Winona on. Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

And it became like wine. Yes.

[Corinne Fisher]

Wino forever. Wino forever.

[Brian Bishop]

And he committed also to that bit.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. The guys, they're guys that are head to toe with tattoos. So what? Travis Barker's the other sisters with, like, he's got it on the skull and stuff.

[Taylor Hanson]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Now I get the kind of rebel bad boy aspect of it. But at certain points, if we visually bizarre or distracting, like, for a woman, like, the guy's like, literally face and head and is it attractive? Is it, like. Yeah, it is.

[Corinne Fisher]

I've dated a guy almost fully covered in tattoos and really looked at, like, ooh, you're wearing your damage on your skin. Let's go.

[Adam Carolla]

You loved it.

[Corinne Fisher]

I love tattoos. Yeah. I actually don't have any myself, but I love them on other people.

[Adam Carolla]

Where was the weirdest place he was tattooing? I mean.

[Corinne Fisher]

I mean, he had full neck. Right. Rose on the eyes, sword on the cheek. Like, not sword. Not fully. Not full face, but a good amount on the face.

[Adam Carolla]

Dated Aaron Neville.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

Didn't Aaron Neville have a sword on his face?

[Corinne Fisher]

Aaron Neville is one of the guys I fucked. You are correct. He did.

[Adam Carolla]

I have a weird memory.

[Brian Bishop]

I'm actually right about this random stuff.

[Adam Carolla]

Aaron Neville had a sword on his neck, his face.

[Corinne Fisher]

That is an odd fact to know.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow. Yeah. We had a weird birthmark. The Neville brothers.

[Corinne Fisher]

He had to distract from it. And then you get the sword on.

[Adam Carolla]

The cheek and he may well let. Chris will look for it and see.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, my God.

[Corinne Fisher]

Oh, it's on his cheek.

[Brian Bishop]

That's rough stuff.

[Corinne Fisher]

It almost supports looking at the mold.

[Adam Carolla]

He's got a sword on his cheek. I'm too hip for this goddamn room. That one got my Aaron Neville reference.

[Brian Bishop]

Nobody. That's. I mean, that is pronounced.

[Corinne Fisher]

That's like a big one.

[Adam Carolla]

Is that a cross or a cross?

[Dawson]

I'm saying it's a cross.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gina Grad]

Either way deep with a religious man.

[Brian Bishop]

Geez.

[Corinne Fisher]

And it kind of goes. He lost a bat chic.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

That's 16. He didn't Neville when he was 16. He got it.

[Brian Bishop]

How have we never noticed this?

[Adam Carolla]

I know you never noticed it. I don't like you. Maybe you should look in the mirror and get a facility. Or an Aaron Neville best of album. Neville Brothers. Wait a minute. Aaron Neville got this. First off, did he have a beard? Maybe he was. You can first off. Okay. Him and Linda Ronstadt singing. I don't know much, but I know I love you. He's this crazy guy because he looked like a bodybuilder. He was a rough, tough dude.

[Gina Grad]

Aggressive angel.

[Adam Carolla]

You get a cross on your cheek now, by the way. The way, I think he's been dead. He's dead for a little while, I think. Or his brother. One of the.

[Corinne Fisher]

Wait, wasn't the first lyric of that. Look at this face?

[Adam Carolla]

Yes, yes.

[Corinne Fisher]

Wow.

[Brian Bishop]

When.

[Corinne Fisher]

He was never gonna look at his face the same, but he was telling us what he wanted us to do. Yeah. Men really are upfront about who they are.

[Adam Carolla]

He got across Gina, 16. Aaron's 81. He was 16 and dead. Alive. And is his brothers, though, the Neville. I'm checking on the brother. So, yeah. Goddess tattoo. He's 16.

[Corinne Fisher]

He's.

[Dawson]

His dad was so pissed, he made him scrub it with Brillo pads and octagon soap. The skin came off, but the tattoo stayed.

[Corinne Fisher]

Damn.

[Dawson]

In 95, he came out with an.

[Adam Carolla]

Album called Tattooed Heart.

[Dawson]

So he had them go over and outline it to freshen it up.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, good.

[Corinne Fisher]

Good for him. Be who you want to be. Commit, baby.

[Brian Bishop]

Remember when he was the shill for the Cotton Council?

[Adam Carolla]

No. It seems vaguely racist.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

Am I wrong?

[Adam Carolla]

I don't. I remember Anita Bryant singing about orange juice. But if he got that when he was 16, in the 60s or the late 50s or something, you know?

[Brian Bishop]

No, sir.

[Adam Carolla]

Imagine that you got a tattoo on your. This is not Mike Tyson.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

This is Post Malone.

[Corinne Fisher]

And it's on your face so you can't see it, but every time you look in the mirror, you're like, oh, yeah, I did that. I did that.

[Brian Bishop]

That's me.

[Adam Carolla]

That's me. That's right.

[Dawson]

Art died in 2019.

[Adam Carolla]

Art Neville, my brother and. All right, so, yeah, him singing. The video of him singing with Linda.

[Brian Bishop]

I love that song.

[Corinne Fisher]

Good song.

[Adam Carolla]

You guys had a crazy career.

[Brian Bishop]

Okay, well, while they look for that, can we just talk for. Do you have it right now? Okay, can we just talk for a second about Britney Spears? Because I follow her religiously and I didn't know this. She just closed her Instagram account.

[Corinne Fisher]

Oh, no.

[Adam Carolla]

Holy shit.

[Brian Bishop]

I don't know.

[Adam Carolla]

You don't leave with that. Shit.

[Brian Bishop]

Has been going off the rails the last couple of weeks. Like, really calling out dad and really saying, like, you know, I'm, you know, wishing death upon them.

[Adam Carolla]

You should get together with Kanye.

[Gina Grad]

Oh, this is a gatekeeper. Dual conservatorship.

[Adam Carolla]

A nice soft landing for Kanye.

[Brian Bishop]

That's right. Well, she's super pissed. She's been acting a little erratic, mostly toward the family, you know, the sister and the dad and she. Her final post that she deleted was. She said she wants to be feared, not loved. So we're getting a new Britney.

[Corinne Fisher]

Oh, I like it.

[Brian Bishop]

And now we just. Now we can't follow it in real time.

[Adam Carolla]

She's got like a $17 million book advance or something. We have Aaron Neville and Linda. Oh, no, you need the video. Cause he's got no sleeves. Can't ham all duded up with his sleeves. I thought he had huge guns.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, like denim and frayed.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, he would do like, like a denim vest, jacket and just had the sword. Big guns with that. That voice of an angel.

[Brian Bishop]

Did he have a full beard? It's like the Mandela effect that none of us realized. He had a sword on his face.

[Corinne Fisher]

He's baby faced here. Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

From the wrong angle.

[Adam Carolla]

Look at this face. Got a cross on it. Look at this.

[Corinne Fisher]

You can kind of see Linda's eyes drifting to the right.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know how much.

[Corinne Fisher]

But I.

[Chris]

Know I love you.

[Adam Carolla]

And that may.

[Chris]

Be all I need to know.

[Adam Carolla]

Hey, Chris. Oh, yeah, it's a good song.

[Brian Bishop]

The wedding's gonna do this one.

[Gina Grad]

Need a first dance.

[Chris]

Look at these eyes. They never see what matters. Look at this dream.

[Brian Bishop]

Just a lot of Carrie Fisher going on in this.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah. Oh, she does? Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, we get it now. What is it, man?

[Corinne Fisher]

You watch the whole thing.

[Adam Carolla]

When his dad was telling him to go at his cheek with the Brillo pad, you think he told him to go for the birthmark when he was done?

[Brian Bishop]

Like while you're in there.

[Gina Grad]

And what are you doing with that, by the way?

[Adam Carolla]

You got shit on your face. You know what I mean? Like, why? So it's just a little extra shit, you know what I mean? I mean, it's a pretty, pretty, pretty badass birthmark on there.

[Brian Bishop]

The dad clearly doesn't understand how skin works, do you?

[Adam Carolla]

You got that big one. He's got a big old.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Do you go for it? I mean, dude, I lean in.

[Gina Grad]

Do I think as a kid you'd probably go for it.

[Adam Carolla]

You want to get rid of it.

[Corinne Fisher]

Probably as a kid you don't want to be different.

[Gina Grad]

Yeah, I think it'll be most people's instant. Most kids Instinct.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Corinne Fisher]

Because your differences aren't celebrated. You know, everyone's a bully.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm guessing with the cheek tattoo, he didn't grow up in an environment where they had lots extra cash for the. For the. For the surgery and the cosmetic surgery.

[Brian Bishop]

Wait a second.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh.

[Dawson]

So his dad's reaction when he got the tattoo.

[Adam Carolla]

He said, you got that birthmark, and.

[Dawson]

You have a mole over your eye.

[Corinne Fisher]

Oh, my gosh.

[Adam Carolla]

You're gonna put another thing on your face.

[Corinne Fisher]

That's that.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, I'm glad you said that.

[Gina Grad]

Tough love.

[Brian Bishop]

No, no, no, I get it. I totally get it. It just. It now it totally clicks. That's. He wanted to be in control of the way people are looking at him. Crazy with his face. This feels very love. Like, you know what I mean?

[Corinne Fisher]

It's like my ship now.

[Brian Bishop]

Exactly. You know, like how kids get real goth.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

Cause they're in control of white people.

[Corinne Fisher]

Are tattooing again, kid.

[Brian Bishop]

That's a good question.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I'd say another kid.

[Corinne Fisher]

Probably based off of that design, it seemed like another child then.

[Adam Carolla]

Seventeen. Yeah. Yeah. I think he was shaking the keys, going, stop looking at the birthmark. Check out the giant crucifix on my cheek.

[Corinne Fisher]

And then he wound up himself with that and goes, check out this career I'm gonna get.

[Adam Carolla]

That's right.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. It's all been there.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, one more.

[Brian Bishop]

Okay. Well, I've been meaning to get to this, and I'm glad the ladies are here to weigh in. Okay, here we. Some Japanese schools have banned female students from wearing their hair in ponytails because the nape of the neck could sexually excite male students. According to Vice News, a former middle school teacher, Motoki Sugiyama, told Vice the reasoning is similar to that. Why girls are only allowed to wear white underwear to school so that it doesn't show through their uniforms. He went on to say that because there's such a lack of criticism and the rules have become so normalized, everyone just does it according to Vice.

[Adam Carolla]

How thin are the uniforms?

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, get more fabric, probably linen, double quilt.

[Adam Carolla]

That facial.

[Brian Bishop]

And I never personally, I mean, you know, I like an updo. Is that too sexy just to put your. Throw your hair in a ponytail?

[Corinne Fisher]

No, I feel like hair down is sexier than hair in ponytail. The girls in the movies, they take the glasses off, their hair comes down, and then you get the boner.

[Adam Carolla]

That's the deal I've talked about with.

[Dawson]

A few guys here. And we all love the high ponytail.

[Corinne Fisher]

A high pony like Ariana Grande ponytail yeah, that's different, though, I think. I mean, I feel like they're not going to school with the high ponytail.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. That's like if a genie fucked a prostitute. And of course, that's hot. We're talking about, like, Joe from Facts of Life. Ponytail.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

Like a regular ponytail.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Corinne Fisher]

I mean, the nape of the neck is sexy, but I mean, it's not on a child to another child, a male child isn't gonna. Oh, I want to fuck that neck. Like, it's not. You don't even know to look at that. Like, you don't even know what's in between. Or let. Like, how do you. They're gonna get horny looking at something, and it doesn't matter what you cover up. They're gonna figure a way to get erect.

[Adam Carolla]

That's being their culture, I've always found strange because they're so buttoned down on so many aspects of it. You know, bowing and high, which I like the high, by the way. I always want that for the cell phone calls, because I talk long, and at some point I go, are you still there? But if they just said hi every couple seconds, I'd know they were around. But there's that. Then it's also home of bukkake. So it's like they.

[Brian Bishop]

I love that store.

[Adam Carolla]

They're rained. They got rained.

[Gina Grad]

Lady Gaga killed it in that movie.

[Adam Carolla]

Home of bukaki.

[Corinne Fisher]

House of bukaki, huh?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Yeah. That means we're gonna eat sushi off of a naked person.

[Corinne Fisher]

Which I feel like Americans did that. Or did the Japanese start that?

[Adam Carolla]

I think they did we fetishize that. I think they started maybe. Maybe we rubbed our own st on their sushi, but I don't know. Chris, see if we can figure that one out. The whole point is they're like Mormons or Utah. They're sort of buttoned down hard. And then there's the other ones that just go full crazy. I mean, it's like the culture is like, Japanese people seem, like, kind of buttoned down. Or you see crazy hair slammed Acura full fast and furious. Like, whatever.

[Corinne Fisher]

Well, that's the response to being repressed, though. Yeah. Go one way or the other. Are always the places where the. The sex work, even if it's more hidden, is the freakiest. Is like, the least safe for women.

[Adam Carolla]

When I was in Salt Lake City and I just noticed more tattoos per capita than anybody there amongst the ones that were doing that.

[Brian Bishop]

Gotta push back.

[Adam Carolla]

Kept going. You would've loved those dudes.

[Corinne Fisher]

The guy with the tattoos I was talking about who I dated is from Salt Lake City.

[Brian Bishop]

Amazing.

[Corinne Fisher]

Nailed it.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, we can wrap this up. Originated in Japan, man. The eating the sushi off the Japanese.

[Brian Bishop]

Girl wasn't so vindicated today.

[Adam Carolla]

Who would have known?

[Corinne Fisher]

Thought it was Samantha from Sex and the Sea.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, that's right. She did do that.

[Adam Carolla]

Forget that reference. I watch the shit out of this.

[Corinne Fisher]

Nice. That's surprising.

[Adam Carolla]

I love Sex and the City.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, he's a fan.

[Corinne Fisher]

Nice.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. All right, let's bring her home.

[Brian Bishop]

You got it. I'm Gina grad and that's the news.

[Adam Carolla]

Weren't we doing the news?

[Isaac Hanson]

Was the news with Gina?

[Adam Carolla]

All right, I'm going to be in Indianapolis at Helium May 6th and 7th, and then we're all going to Huntington beach to sea lakes to do live podcasts. It'll be May 20th. You can go to mcroll.com for all that. The standup special, the comedy special. Guys, we are special day. It's available. It's very funny. I watched it last night. It's available.

[Corinne Fisher]

Thank you.

[Adam Carolla]

For free on YouTube and also podcast. Guys, we fucked as well. Thank you guys for coming in. And I assume gonna be big things going on over there with Fox.

[Corinne Fisher]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Adam Carolla]

So keep us posted.

[Corinne Fisher]

We will.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, so until next time, remember playing music. Oh, we got something. Oh, I got a spot. Oh. Oh, I got myself screwed up. All right, now we can queue up the music. And until next time, this is Adam from Christina and Corinne and Gina and bald saying mahalo. Blood. Blood.

All right, that was adam Kroll Show 3266. Coming up next, we have a listen request. This one's from Elizabeth with a Z. Traditional spelling. Elizabeth says, I love all the old Hanson clips. I love to hear when they're in promoting the RBG album and tour. They sang child at heart and maybe an additional song from the album.

Thanks.

Thank you, Elizabeth. I'm playing it right now. Hope you enjoy. This is Adam Kirlishow, 3316. First time being played in cruel classics. Hanson from 2022.

Bandaid. Hit it on. And welcome to the program. We got a one on three going, as Dawson told you with Hanson, most talented, nicest guys in music. And I'll just open it up to all show business. Isaac, Taylor and Zach all back in studio. Good to see you guys.

[Dawson]

Are you saying that we're honorary Canadians?

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. Canadians are nice.

[Taylor Hanson]

Thank you for that.

[Adam Carolla]

I literally spent this morning with Howie Mandel, who's a Canadian.

[Dawson]

Right?

[Taylor Hanson]

Very nice man.

[Adam Carolla]

And I was doing his podcast. But his daughter was born here and she was on the podcast and we were arguing about COVID and he kept turning to, to her going, honey, honey, come sell your role. And it's like, he's Canadian. But we weaponized her. She's American now.

[Isaac Hanson]

Those feisty Americans, nothing but trouble.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, wait, how did you guys maintain your niceness in your sanity? And I will say that I've been sitting here and they came in and we set up and they recorded. But. And I can, you know, when the mics are hot, people act a certain way, like maybe Ellen. But when the mics cool down, people treat the tech guys and the roadie gu guys a little bit differently and bandmates. But you guys are very magnanimous and friendly to each other and to the crew on and off the mic.

[Isaac Hanson]

I think we believe in the theory that you, that you get what you give. And also you don't ask people to do things you're not willing to do yourself.

[Dawson]

You know, when someone's handling your instrument all day and you're going to walk in front of a camera or onto a mic and they'll hand it to you, they could do so many terrible things to it.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Isaac Hanson]

Look, it be out of trouble.

[Adam Carolla]

It's really.

[Dawson]

Thank you. Giving me an in tune instrument and, you know, taking care of me but.

[Isaac Hanson]

Not making me look like an ass.

[Taylor Hanson]

It's also really interesting, you know, I mean, we broke out so early and we. This year we've been in band for 30 years because we started when I was nine, I'm 31. And it never stops to amaze. It never ceases to amaze me how low the expectations are for people in our job. Because I mean, last week I had somebody walk up to me and said, you know what? I love your band because you actually play your instruments.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Taylor Hanson]

And I thought to myself, that would be like going up to a talk show host and saying like, I love your talk show because you talk.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Taylor Hanson]

Be like, I love your.

[Isaac Hanson]

You have a good vocabulary.

[Taylor Hanson]

Yeah, it's like. No, it's just, it's like the expectation of, of us in a way I think should probably be higher. And we've always, I mean, our heroes were guys that had career, you know, had longevity. I mean, once we. That was always the. When the first record broke, it wasn't like, well, let's cash in for the next week. It's gonna be great.

[Dawson]

You're saying we should do the opposite with bands, what we do with politicians.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Dawson]

We should think less of politicians and Expect more.

[Taylor Hanson]

Well, definitely. That's definitely. That's definitely true.

[Isaac Hanson]

100.

[Taylor Hanson]

At least expect music. If it says musician next to you to, like, actually know how to make.

[Adam Carolla]

Music, well, you know, here's kind of the world we're living in. Everyone just has so much room on their hard drive, and then they hear Hanson and they think, oh, those teeny boppers from back in the day. And then when you harmonize, the way you harmonize when you play your instruments, the way you play your instruments when you make the sound live. And I'm sitting here experiencing it as I did before when you guys came in the studio, I think everyone is duly impressed. But there's always that part where they had in whatever's left in their hard drive for you is these kids with probably some showbiz mom who overdubbed this and that maybe they got Milli Vanilli's real singers to cover, um, BAP or something. And so then we see you do it, and we're impressed, but I don't know what we were expecting.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And. And then you guys have to go out and kind of feel like you have to prove it all the time.

[Taylor Hanson]

Well, the amazing thing is that that.

[Adam Carolla]

Is without a chip on your shoulder to some degree.

[Taylor Hanson]

To some degree. But it's. I mean, the thing is, mostly we figured out pretty early on. I mean, for one, you're never going to get everybody. You're just not. But you. So you got to go for the people that are with you. I mean, you find those people, you find your tribe, and you find the real fan. And you briefly, you kind of. You put all your energy into those, and you build from that. And that's where the power is. That's you and your people, like, coming out to a show. If you only sang one song that everyone knows you for, like, 24 times a night, you would lose your mind. But you play it once or twice, you know?

[Isaac Hanson]

Yeah.

[Taylor Hanson]

In a.

[Dawson]

Not twice a night.

[Isaac Hanson]

Not twice a night.

[Dawson]

What they don't tell you when you become famous is that being famous is like going to a family reunion every day of your freaking life. Right. Everyone you meet is some distant relative that you have no idea who they are, and they haven't seen you in 25 years, and they have no idea what you're doing. They're like, oh, you're bigger.

[Taylor Hanson]

Except for your couple cousins that are close by that live down the street.

[Adam Carolla]

But there's a version of it. I mean, there's a version of notoriety and fame that I've described As sort of like a high school reunion versus a family reunion. So I've been pulled over by a million motorcycle cops, and mostly they go, oh, hey, man, show. And then they go, hey, you like cars? I like cars. Ironically, the guys like the cars the most, ride motorcycles for the police department. They're all car guys. And then go soy and Jay Leno's garage. And the next thing you know, you don't get a ticket. So if that guy was a guy you went to high school with, you'd get the sky. Same thing. Exactly. The guy you played football with or whatever. So it's not all a hassle.

[Isaac Hanson]

No, no, definitely good. No, no, definitely not.

[Taylor Hanson]

It's amazing. A lot of it's. But there is a lot of definitely. There's that. That familiarity without actual familiarity, I think is part of what Zach is saying, where you feel there's a sense of familiarity, but. But you're not. But you don't have a tight relationship.

[Isaac Hanson]

And most of the associations are positive. I mean, you do occasionally get the, you know, the high school bull that just won't leave you alone.

[Dawson]

All I'm saying, I'm not saying something negative. I mean, your distant aunt or second cousin, they're happy to see you. They really want the best for you, and they want to know what's going on. They just aren't paying attention. They just aren't there with you every.

[Isaac Hanson]

Day because you're not there at their house with their kids doing the high school thing and the. Whatever.

[Dawson]

I think when you can put it in the context of when people recognize you or know you for something you did a long time ago or just aren't aware of what you're in the middle of. Right. It's not an insult. It's not something to have a chip on your shoulder about. It's just like, hey, I've got to.

[Taylor Hanson]

Bring you up to see.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, they also. I ran into a semi drunken couple of ladies last night at a Mexican food restaurant who. They want to get you back into the format they're familiar with. Like, oh, Adam. Oh, yeah. Hey, what are you doing? You know, I'm doing a podcast. Podcast. We gotta get you back on the radio. Like. Cause you own a radio, you have a fucking phone, woman. Once you listen to me on the podcast, she's like, oh, you gotta get back on the radio.

[Isaac Hanson]

You're like, where I was, my podcast show is bigger than my radio show.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. It's like saying, oh, the man show's canceled. You need to come over and stand on My TV set and act. It's like, use your computer, woman. The album, by the way, Red, Green Blue, it's out as we speak. It's available wherever you stream music. And there's kind of an interesting story behind this, which is it's. Everyone wrote a third of the album, Right. And was that done.

[Isaac Hanson]

To avoid a fist fight?

[Adam Carolla]

To avoid a fist fight. Why was that?

[Taylor Hanson]

I mean, sort of a little.

[Dawson]

Sometimes there's a lot in there. I mean, we've been a band for a long time. When people say, do you fight? It's like, yes, how often? But we also. We know how to be together and we know how you know when it's time to do something different and when it's time to change your focus. This project wasn't really about that. This was something that had been floating around for five years, maybe a little longer. And at 30 years of being a band, it's really more interesting to tell stories than it is to write songs. Right. You know, and so this was kind of. I think, to me, it was about. We're a unique dynamic where you have three people who sing, three people who write, three people who can produce and be their own artists, but we choose to do it together. Together. There just aren't many that I know to compare to that. Like, you know, the Beatles did that. Who else? Every member sang like the Bee gees.

[Corinne Fisher]

There's.

[Taylor Hanson]

The BTs are like that. I mean, we're odd in the sense.

[Isaac Hanson]

That we started off really young.

[Taylor Hanson]

Doo wop early, like soul music, early rock and roll. Like, those were our models. And so harmony and kind of melody, those were always key. So that's been the foundation of the sound of no matter what else we're doing, you know, harmonizing, it's a big part of it. So you. Yeah, there's three. Three creative people.

[Isaac Hanson]

It's also doing things you've never done before, which is kind of like the stories thing that you're talking about.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, we.

[Isaac Hanson]

Because we get all the time. Like, why haven't you guys broken up and done solo records and things like that? And you're like, don't. Well, don't tempt me. I mean, like a week ago, I was. I was thinking about. No, I'm just kidding.

[Dawson]

I think it's important to do things you're not 100% comfortable with if you want to be good art.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Dawson]

And I think all of us had sort of slightly different hurdles to come over with this project. But, yeah, it was like, hey, this is what we need to do. To kind of start the next chapter of being a band. Going into 31st year, like, what are we gonna do? That continues to force us to be a better band because we have to.

[Isaac Hanson]

Be better individuals in order to be a better band.

[Adam Carolla]

30 years. So you're 36. How much of it feels like a dream? I mean, early. I don't remember what I was doing when I was six. I was. Certainly wasn't, you know, wowing any crowds. I was wedding something, probably, or getting in trouble some way.

[Taylor Hanson]

But you were wedding. We were playing weddings, yes.

[Adam Carolla]

I mean, you guys didn't. You guys were around for three, four years before you exploded, right?

[Corinne Fisher]

We did.

[Taylor Hanson]

I mean, we did what bands do, only you can't really play bars and stuff when you're a kid. So we would do, like, arts fairs and block parties. We'd do anywhere you could stand and somebody would listen and kind of the.

[Isaac Hanson]

Going soul assemblies, you know, we figured.

[Taylor Hanson]

Out, oh, my God, we could, like, get a captive audience of a school assembly. Because we met a teacher that said, you should come to our school. And that was kind of like local panda.

[Isaac Hanson]

It was like motivational speaking slash playing.

[Taylor Hanson]

But again, a part of it. You have to get the paradigm again. We. We'd seen. We had this weird microcosm where we. I'm sure we told this story before, but we had this. Our dad worked for a lot of oil and gas companies in Tulsa. And he took the job nobody really wanted, which is to go to South America with his four kids at the time, young kids, he was an accountant. And he kind of audited these, you know, operations. Operations. And so we spent a year plus in. In South America as his, you know, family entourage. Entourage. And so we didn't really have a lot of cultural influences, little kids, but we had these couple tapes which were compilations of songs from the early rock and roll era. And I think we got this concentrated input of this particular thing. And so when we came back and started singing when I was, you know, 8, 9 years old, and we. We just thought, well, Jackson 5 were teenagers. The Beach Boys, the Beatles was like, you know, Stevie Wonder. We just figured, little Stevie Wonder. Little Stevie Wonder. And so we just kind of thought, well, it's time to go sing and do this thing. And when people respond to what you do, you kind of. It's like. You keep getting applause. You go, okay, I'll try that again.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, here's a philosophical question, because I was watching the Sheryl Crow documentary the other night, which, by the way, she spells her name Sh Instead Of Ch. So I spent a half hour doing the search. Come on, Sheryl Crow. Come on. I. I know it's out. I know it's out. No, we got nothing. Cheryl Hines. No, not Cheryl Hines. Cheryl Crow. Cheryl Crow. Yeah. Do you think the TV's smart enough to figure this shit out by now? It's Sheryl Crow. I'm sorry.

[Taylor Hanson]

An arrow plus a crow. We should be able to figure out.

[Dawson]

How many other Crow people are there.

[Adam Carolla]

Really? What I was saying is, you know, there were. You know, she's older than you guys are, but she spent her time. She grew up. Oh, God. In a smallish town.

[Isaac Hanson]

Is she from Missouri?

[Adam Carolla]

Missouri, yeah. Small town in Missouri. And so she spent her time in front of the piano and looking at albums from James Taylor and Fleetwood Mac and all the usual suspects and just sitting in a room. All these stories start with just sitting, listening over and over and over again. Well, my kids are doing a thousand different things, and they're doing them all today. Like, they ain't sitting listening over and over to Michael Jackson's or Sam and Dave or whoever it is. They're. They're spread out a million different directions and they're learning a little about something, but then they're quickly getting bored with it and moving on. So I'm wondering, like, how do we do this in the future with. Everyone's got a phone and they got a big screen TV and they're going to play laser tickets, tag at the place.

[Taylor Hanson]

It's a challenge.

[Adam Carolla]

You guys sort of were sequestered in a weird way and forced to learn this.

[Taylor Hanson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Or appreciate it. Maybe.

[Taylor Hanson]

Maybe the last two years will produce some geniuses will say, well, then everything stopped and I couldn't leave my house, you know?

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Taylor Hanson]

You know.

[Adam Carolla]

But no, I think they're probably just.

[Isaac Hanson]

Gonna get really good at Fortnite.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, exactly.

[Taylor Hanson]

I think there's. You know, this is. This is my particular perspective. I don't know if everybody quite shares this, but I was discussing this with my wife, and I kind of hit me early on in raising our kids. You know, we have a bunch of kids. I have seven kids and all amazing. But it occurred to me that they.

[Adam Carolla]

Can'T all be amazing.

[Taylor Hanson]

Keep going. They're amazing to me.

[Adam Carolla]

Two of them have to be.

[Dawson]

When he says amazing, he means it's amazing. They're all alive.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Taylor Hanson]

Let's just say better. I love my kids. Everybody loves their kids. But it occurred to me that I had. Whether or not been successful at it, but tried to be really good at Something early in life. And, and I think trying to be good at something, even whatever it is, like just trying to get yourself to push yourself to something. Like, I'm going to try and be a good soccer player. I'm going to try and learn to play piano. I'm going to. Is really good because you figure out what you're made of in a way. You figure out, like, can I, where am I? Like pressure point. I don't think I'm going to try that hard. Like just trying. Even if it's just getting whatever that skill is, it does sort of begin to get. You go, okay, that's what it's going to take for me to get that good at anything. And so I don't know if everybody needs to go crazy with something and get. But having that idea of just attempting to pull yourself into something does sort of prepare you to be, okay, well, you know, I'm going to try the next thing. Sort of like people that learn a language. Once you learn a language, they say, hey, it's a lot easier to learn another one. I think there is something to that.

[Dawson]

See, a lot of people will say, you guys seem kind of normal, right? And we're not normal at all. We're completely obsessive and psychotic. Like six years old. You started your band. What kind of crazy kids are that obsessive about something?

[Adam Carolla]

Right?

[Isaac Hanson]

If your kids, if you want to.

[Dawson]

Be really good at something and they're obsessive about that thing you hate, probably just let them do it, right? Probably let them do it until they're so good at it and that's the only thing they care about. Then one day somebody go, wow, how did you become a multi million dollar video game? You know, personality or, you know.

[Adam Carolla]

But were you that into it at 6 or were you just trying to keep the brothers happy?

[Dawson]

Well, I didn't do anything consciously for a long time because at six you're operating purely on instinct.

[Taylor Hanson]

So Zach jumped in with this.

[Dawson]

Yeah, it wasn't my dream at all. And truth be told, it's not my only dream now, but it's something I enjoy and something that.

[Isaac Hanson]

Something you practiced a lot at and are really good at.

[Dawson]

I wouldn't want to not be able to do it like making music, this project. When we went into the studio and did the Blue Songs, the five blue songs with Jim and David, that was probably two of my favorite weeks of my entire life. You know, it was such a joy to just go in and have something in your mind and see it become reality.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, Speaking of the songs and the new songs, I think we have a new one to play. Now, just full disclosure, I've already heard it, but it was only moments ago because we're taping out of order and it was great, but I'll play it for you guys and you tell me if you concur. It's called write you a song.

[Dawson]

One, two.

[Chris]

Well, I'm going to write you a song. I see blue skies, sunrise d lines of conversations chasing butterflies through the garden.

[Isaac Hanson]

You were barefoot in the living room.

[Chris]

Chancing around you I always couldn't lose all of those memories are etched in my mind. So I'm going to write you a song. Something sweet that you can arm along to. But when the night gets long so you got me there to remind you of all of our good times and the beautiful light you shine. That is why I'm gonna write you a song so you never be lonely. You're my Oklahoma daisy and the sparkle in your eyes Saves me from life's tribulations and trials.

[Isaac Hanson]

I hear cries of angels singing every.

[Chris]

Time you call my name. The kingdom of heaven is in your smile. So I'm gonna write you a song. Something sweet that you can arm along to. But when the night gets long so you got me there to remind you of all of our good times and the beautiful light you shine. That is why I'm your to write.

[Adam Carolla]

You a song.

[Chris]

So you never been lonely so you never been lonely.

[Adam Carolla]

So.

[Chris]

You never be alone. I'm going to write you a lullaby, a hush baby don't cry so that when I'm gone you can sing along. I'm gonna write you. I'm gonna write you a song so you'll never be lonely. Never be lonely, never be lonely. I'm gonna write you a song so you'll never be lonely, never be alone.

[Adam Carolla]

See, in real time I'd be like, oh, man, that was so awesome. But it was only 40 minutes ago I heard it, so it was. It was awesome. Wait now. So whose song is write you a song?

[Isaac Hanson]

Write your song is from the green portion of the record.

[Taylor Hanson]

And that's.

[Isaac Hanson]

That's me.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Isaac Hanson]

And. And it was. That particular song was kind of a fun, special one to write. It's actually about my daughter because she said to me about three days, two days before that song was written, daddy, you never write me any songs. It was a very emotional 8 year old kind of conversation, you know, but. But anyway, we had a friend coming through town. He's a great songwriter named Paul McDonald. And he and I started talking about what we're gonna write about and he actually, of his own volition, had an idea about what if we wrote a song about somebody, you know, for someone. And, and that was kind of the context. And you're like, that's. You're reading my mind. That's exactly what my daughter just said, like two days ago.

[Dawson]

No, you're reading your daughter's mind.

[Isaac Hanson]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Which is weird.

[Dawson]

You're just taking orders and she's only eight.

[Adam Carolla]

Exactly.

[Isaac Hanson]

So anyway, so we, so we wrote the song for her and she was there half the time. She really liked it.

[Adam Carolla]

So how do you guys maintain your appreciation for all the bounty of gifts that you have in your life? Because so many people, people get so burnt out and sort of miserable and show businesses, highs and lows and you guys were, you know, the most played band of 1997 or 8. Now you're working band and a working band who releases albums and goes to Europe and you're not playing the bar scenes out here in Hermosa Beach. But it is, I mean, you always seem to have the great appreciation for the music, also the great appreciation for each other. Then the great appreciation for, you know, I've had conversations with people who feel like they're lower down on the showbiz totem pole because all they do is play cruise ships. And I just go, you don't have a job, you play cruise ships. You do stuff. You could sleep for 20, 20 minutes twice in a weeks long cruise. And then your first class passenger, how could you possibly complain about it? But a lot of people figure out a way to do that. You guys have that.

[Isaac Hanson]

I think there's probably a couple answers. I mean, the first one that comes to mind, although there are many things, because it's not just one, but one of the things I think is that we. It's not that you're not chasing success and fame, but I think that there's a quality to which we weren't chased chasing it. And I think, I think when, when it came down to it, you know, when you're trying to escape the chaos of, of the fame that you find in, you know, especially off that first record in the middle of Nowhere back in 97, 98, you know, we didn't say, oh, let's buy a really fancy house in the Hollywood Hills and hide away up there. We said, let's buy 100 acres outside of Tulsa, Oklahoma, where we're from and let's hide out there. And I think some of those things make a Difference check.

[Chris]

Yeah, it's.

[Isaac Hanson]

You know what I mean?

[Taylor Hanson]

Like, work ethic, too. I think we grew up with. With just work ethic and kind of valuing the sweat equity in a different way. I mean, I think a lot of bands did, but I actually think part of it is trying to. To always be looking forward, you know? I mean, wherever you are is not where you're going. Right? It's not. It's. I mean, I love being present. That's important. Important. But we're thinking about, oh, what's next? Where are you headed? And that you're aspiring to stuff. You're kind of, you know, you're working towards something and trying to keep that mindset. I don't know if that's, you know, nobody's got a corner on the market, but that has definitely been part of. I think what's kept us overcoming stuff is pretty much every day you're doing this job, you're fighting to be one of those 2% of the universe of musicians that get to actually call it their job. So we. We just, I think, have continued to feel like we were lucky to do it.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm looking at a note on my screen that says, you work with the Blues Traveler.

[Taylor Hanson]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

On their 2015 album. And I just got a text from John Hopper. Yeah, you gotta love John Popper, right?

[Isaac Hanson]

Oh, yeah, he's a feisty guy.

[Taylor Hanson]

He looked at us in 1999 when we were making our second record. He guessed it.

[Dawson]

He played on our second record.

[Taylor Hanson]

He said, guys, sit down. We were sitting at Music Right Studio, which. Which I don't think is there.

[Isaac Hanson]

I don't think it exists.

[Taylor Hanson]

And he goes. He was doing the harmonica part and he goes, guys, let me just. Here's the deal. Make the lunch boxes, take the cash.

[Adam Carolla]

Just.

[Taylor Hanson]

He's like, no one's ever going to put me on a lunchbox. Just forget about credibility. Just do it. Which we didn't do, but it was hilarious. And we actually. We had a lot of fun. We wrote it, wrote a tune on their. One of their last, more recent records. I guess it was five years ago, probably. It was a lot of fun and played it with the guys, and that was very cool. Yeah, he's genius. They're still a great band.

[Adam Carolla]

First off, I'm a huge fan of Blues Traveler, but. And, you know, maybe not a lunchbox for John Popper, but if they had a dinner box, I feel like you could fill that out quite nicely. More of a briefcase, some with wheels on.

[Isaac Hanson]

Also, John is a really tall guy.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. He's a big dude.

[Dawson]

Personality.

[Adam Carolla]

The thing about John Popper is he sings so good.

[Taylor Hanson]

Oh, my gosh.

[Adam Carolla]

And he's so good at the harmonica that people go, that guy plays the harmonica. When you really hear him belt it out.

[Taylor Hanson]

Oh, my God, he can sing his ass off.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, he can sing his ass off. But it gets sometimes a little lost in the harmonica. Monica Shuffle. So I feel you. And a guy who. I think if he set his mind to it, he could do standup comedy. Like, he's. He's pretty. He's pretty.

[Taylor Hanson]

Very smart. Very, very smart.

[Adam Carolla]

Absolutely good on his feet. And he shot a squirrel in his house. And he sent me a picture of a squirrel with a hole in it.

[Isaac Hanson]

My favorite story.

[Dawson]

I'm surprised they didn't shoot it with my favorite.

[Adam Carolla]

My favorite. That's one of my favorite. Shoot with a BB gun or an air gun or. Yeah, it was a pistol. And I don't even know if it was a.22. It was like a German. You know, he's got 30 pistols on him at all times.

[Isaac Hanson]

My favorite thing was it was Johnny Lang, who we're also good friends with, who also is an amazing player and singer and fantastic guy. And he. He was like. Yeah, I was. I was on the road with. I was on the road. And I don't remember whether he's on the road with John or what, but he, like, ended up staying at John's house, I think, in Pennsylvania.

[Taylor Hanson]

They're friends and.

[Isaac Hanson]

They're friends and. And John's like, you know, out in the back with the big old, like, black powder cannon, cans of dog food. Just being like.

[Adam Carolla]

He shoots cans of dog food. Like a Civil War can. Exactly.

[Isaac Hanson]

Just all kinds of things. John is very fond of the explosive.

[Adam Carolla]

I think that's. I think that's in Oregon or something. I don't think it's. I think you have. Pennsylvania is like a setting for Civil War or. Or Revolutionary War, you know, so you put the can cannon there. You don't think of the cannon as outside of Portland. Yeah, as much. Not as many battle spots.

[Taylor Hanson]

I do think it points out all the characters. I mean, to do what to do, what is. We've gotten to do and. And chose to do. And Zach said we're psychotic. You know, whatever he sees.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Taylor Hanson]

I think they're. They're. It takes a certain kind of obsession, a certain kind of, you know, everybody's not made. You know, the makeup to tour, to play, to write songs and be like a cave dweller and then go out and go do the performance thing. I mean, you have to almost be bipolar. You, you go from this side of the spectrum to the other. And I think it's so, it's surviving. It's really sort of being in this world is kind of a survival more than just a career. You kind of have to have some somewhat of a sense that there isn't really a normal and, and you just kind of keep climbing the hill and if you don't sort of get a lot, if you don't get a lot of energy out of the couple things you do which are very part of the hill climbing, you know, then you, then you would just go like, give me my nine to five. But it has, you know, it takes a certain kind of person to want to put yourself through those ends of the spectrum, you know.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, you know, so people say to me all the time, oh, you work so much, you do all so much stuff. And I always go, that's not really work. Sitting around talking to Hanson about John Popper in air conditioning. Not really. I don't consider that work. And then I always go, look, I used to work, I work construction. I would. I know what it's like to be on a roof stripping asphalt tiles in August. Like I worked man, for not summers while I was going to college or any. I didn't go to anything. I just worked real work, you know, crawling underneath houses, earthquake rehab, like everything. Wow. For a long period of time.

[Taylor Hanson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So it's hard work. If, if Tucker Carlson is going to drive the van over to my house and have me do a five minute minute hit with hair and makeup. I don't consider that work. I'm flattered. I don't consider this work. I don't consider. Most of what I do in this field is work. But you guys don't have that base.

[Isaac Hanson]

Because we didn't have to lay the.

[Adam Carolla]

Shingles and be the yet I feel like we ended up in the same place, which is we both appreciate what we do. And while it is work, you don't really feel like work and attorney traditional sense.

[Taylor Hanson]

Absolutely.

[Isaac Hanson]

I think we have the same psychology somehow though, is the only. Is the way I would think of it or something along those lines. Which is maybe it was like when you're at the top of your, when you're at the kind of top of the hill, top of the mountain and dad looks at you and goes, hey look, this can come and this can go. So appreciate every moment you got, you know, appreciate it. You know, treat people the way you want to be treated all that kind of stuff. And I think that that's absolutely part of it.

[Dawson]

You know, I think there's different kinds of work, too. And being on all the time from age 6 to age 36 is a kind of work, right. Meeting every person when they're having a bad day or good day and you just got to be on all the time is work. It's, you know, suppression of certain kinds of needs, which ultimately is work. And so I think we've been working a long, long, long time. And we're lucky that we choose to do this knowing we don't have to go to work, Right. We could live off the royalties from the records we've released. We could probably live off of Vombap and just not do anything, right? But we choose to get up and work and spend money on new dreams.

[Isaac Hanson]

And new ideas and risk the farm every day.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Did your dad give you this speech about appreciate it and here today, gone tomorrow.

[Dawson]

A thousand times.

[Isaac Hanson]

A thousand times.

[Adam Carolla]

A thousand. A thousand times.

[Dawson]

And honestly, it worked.

[Taylor Hanson]

It worked.

[Dawson]

So, you know, if you've got kids, tell it to your kids a thousand times and they'll believe it and they'll realize one day, you know, it's. It's not even once you get it. You don't have it. You don't see.

[Isaac Hanson]

But I think it's even better that you show it, right? Because I think. I think dad did show it. That dad was a kind of workaholic type of.

[Taylor Hanson]

He was a doer. He doesn't like to stand still and. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Taylor Hanson]

You know.

[Adam Carolla]

Is he still around?

[Taylor Hanson]

Yeah, both of our parents were.

[Dawson]

He works for us.

[Adam Carolla]

Really?

[Isaac Hanson]

He used to CPA job. He took this. He took his certified, you know, public accountant skills.

[Dawson]

And our dad's idea of a great fun day is to go plant about 30 trees and then he'll buy you soft drinks and hot dogs afterwards.

[Taylor Hanson]

It's like. It's like a reward. This is. This is the best shared experience. He just wants to move dirt around.

[Isaac Hanson]

The family that works together. Works together.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Well, he could have. Could be worse. He could have gone to work for Toby Keith. I guess he was in the oil industry, right? I guess he hit pretty big. Yep.

[Taylor Hanson]

That's true. He's a big. He's an Okie.

[Dawson]

Quick, zip your mouth. Toby Keith?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Sorry. Want to talk about Toby Keith, he'll put a foot in your ass.

[Brian Bishop]

You do?

[Adam Carolla]

Okay. Is that him? Another guy?

[Dawson]

It's something like that.

[Adam Carolla]

I look, I like. I want to talk about me. Maybe it's my Theme song. But the Toby Key song, I Want to Talk About Me makes me. Makes me laugh. Maybe it's because he yodels in it or something.

[Isaac Hanson]

No, I mean, he has a good.

[Adam Carolla]

Sense of humor, but about himself, I mean, I'm not.

[Isaac Hanson]

I'm not so sure about himself though.

[Adam Carolla]

Actually.

[Taylor Hanson]

I actually didn't really have anything to say. I think there's just an assumption that there was that Zach was assuming that look on my face meant I had.

[Corinne Fisher]

Something to say about the.

[Adam Carolla]

Your dad instilled it, but he lived it. I mean, you couldn't just say it. You know, you can't eat a donut, you can't smoke a cigarette through a donut and talk to your kid about health. Right? You gotta be doing some push ups or they gotta catch you doing some sit ups somewhere. Right?

[Taylor Hanson]

It's that. I mean, the combination. I mean, of course now we're many years away from being the kids in the room now we all have kids. And so you see the value of kind of the things you heard now in a different, different way. But, you know, yet our mom, who's really kind of the. I'll ask anyone anything, the most confident human ever, like, cold.

[Isaac Hanson]

She was our. She was our promoter. She was our promoter before we had one.

[Taylor Hanson]

She'll show up and do anything and, yeah, say anything and, and, and he's the work ethic side. So it's like the combined, combined forces.

[Isaac Hanson]

Like they both happen to be musically skilled and.

[Dawson]

But they didn't.

[Taylor Hanson]

They didn't, they didn't. They were not stage parents. In fact, they were probably more, more cautious about what it might do than. All right, here we go. The doers in both of them never made them into like, you know, this is our dream for you very much. Not that they just appreciated the shared experience and. But again, it's just. I don't know if you. Somebody asked me the other day, well, are your kids, you know, happy with how they've grown up? And I said, well, we'll know in about 20 years.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, Taylor, you're. Tell me.

[Taylor Hanson]

Write the book.

[Brian Bishop]

You're closer than.

[Dawson]

You're closer than that.

[Taylor Hanson]

Ezra will know in five years.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Were your parents worried about the outside world and the influence? Like, are they religious people who thought, oh, there's just a bunch of satanic nut job, drug dealing, drug doing, Hollywood record labor?

[Isaac Hanson]

I don't think they were superstitious about it in that way, but I think they were cautious.

[Dawson]

Honestly. You know, we don't talk about that as much. I mean, why are we normal? Well, probably because we have a real deep faith, spiritual background that said to us from moment one, hey, this is not what you're living for.

[Isaac Hanson]

And also, personal restraint is valuable.

[Adam Carolla]

You have.

[Dawson]

You have sort of an obligation to be a good human right to. Good to people, good to your body, good to yourself.

[Isaac Hanson]

But I think, honestly, actions have consequences.

[Dawson]

You know, when we talk about our parents. Right, stage parents, not stage parents. I think what they saw was almost like, wow, you've been given this gift that is kind of beyond something people respond to it. Like the way people are responding, the way you guys can sing together. I think there was almost like Blues Brothers. It's a message from God a little bit. Not in a weird way, but just, wow, you've been given this. You need to do something with it. You need to go use it, because you need to not hold it inside and keep it for yourself.

[Adam Carolla]

And there. Did you guys ever get too big too fast? I don't mean too big too fast. I just mean you're playing events locally, schools and socials and things of that nature, as you said, and then all of a sudden the record explodes and you're getting pushed out in front of vastly larger groups. Now, you've been at it for a number of years and you probably. And you've been at it for forever. Cause you're born in the same house. But I mean, did you ever get out in front of, you know, 14,000 people or 52,000 people early and go, wow, yeah, that's a big jump?

[Taylor Hanson]

Well over.

[Isaac Hanson]

I mean, yeah, it is a big jump.

[Taylor Hanson]

Virtually overnight. It wasn't overnight, but in a lot of ways it did feel somewhat like that when the record first broke, because we had. We made indie records and we'd been turned down by every label. Then we finally got signed and playing an unlikely, crummy gig in Kansas. Go to the. Go to LA in 96, make this record. Kind of. You're in your bubble and then that record begins to come out. The first single comes out in early 97. And we're just still in the bubble, getting ready for release, right?

[Isaac Hanson]

We're like, it's really important that we rehearse enough for Letterman. You know, it's like we're very, like, nuts and bolts.

[Taylor Hanson]

Letterman was the first major TV letter. It was Letterman and Leno.

[Adam Carolla]

Right, Right.

[Taylor Hanson]

And. And so we were prepared. Great example is we were preparing. We were kind of in the bubble. Right. We're just the band from Tulsa. And we. We had a promo show that already been Lined up before the record broke.

[Isaac Hanson]

And we didn't want to go do it because we didn't feel like we were ready for the TV show.

[Taylor Hanson]

We showed up at Paramus Park Mall and New Jersey and, and every parking spot in this mall was packed. And we thought, what the heck is going on this mall? We pulled up to the back door of the, I think it was the Macy's, you know, and three ran a cops and the marketing guy from the, from the radio, radio station. Their eyes are like as big as their forehead and like we're going, what is going on? There were 8,000 people packed into a mall. And this was three months ago. Nobody knew Hanson's name, you know, and you couldn't physically get that to the little, you know, foot high stage that was set up for us to do.

[Isaac Hanson]

An acoustic set, PA on a stick.

[Dawson]

So it's really almost criminal that they put us out on there.

[Taylor Hanson]

It was not safe.

[Dawson]

You can imagine what happens. You get out there, you walk out 8,000 people. You're on a foot high stage with no barricade and no security, right?

[Taylor Hanson]

You play your three guys standing in front of us with our arms turned.

[Dawson]

You play your three songs and then the audience goes, oh, they're done. I'm going to come meet them. 8,000 people.

[Taylor Hanson]

It's actually, I mean, you can say that I don't know if anybody understands what it looks like to have 8,000 people inside of a mall. It's, it's really not something you have to experience. It's like you can feel the human energy pushing on, in on you. But.

[Isaac Hanson]

And also malls are loud. And they started screaming. That was a level of sound I've never heard.

[Dawson]

It's like Black Friday at Walmart. But as far as you can see, they are genuinely killing each other for.

[Adam Carolla]

The guess only Tiffany would know. Did she start in malls?

[Isaac Hanson]

I don't know.

[Taylor Hanson]

This, this, this was just the promo gig, you know that, you know that stuff, what that is. It's just a radio promo gig that was not, not supposed to be a thing, you know.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Taylor Hanson]

It was the. Oh, it was the moment where you went from here and you went. We're never going backwards like this. We can't unsee that.

[Isaac Hanson]

And we'd had inklings of it locally because when you played shows at like middle schools and things like that, you'd.

[Taylor Hanson]

Feel that manic energy kind of.

[Isaac Hanson]

Yeah, the manic energy happened. So you had some kind of, some small kind of psychological preparation for it. But it was literally fraction 10 times this.

[Dawson]

I'm trying to sit here, think back to it. Like, why we didn't have a total freak out, right? You would think you would have a mental breakdown or. Or explode into an ego of just unbelievable proportions. But for some reason, we kind of had it in our mind that that was normal. That was the next step that was supposed to happen next.

[Adam Carolla]

I think there's a lot of that same kind of reaction, and it varies, but like, if you were in a bank and the bank was being robbed by armed gunmen, some people scream and other people go, I felt this calm come over me. And all of a sudden it got quiet. And you have a different reaction. And you guys may obviously share the same DNA and same nurture and nature. So maybe that was another gift.

[Isaac Hanson]

Maybe we're all super add, so our adrenaline's really low, and then when the panic hits, we just get really normal.

[Dawson]

When you say that, I remember saying, I'm Batman.

[Adam Carolla]

I think you guys have a sense of obligation. I would guess that was like, I feel the same way too. Which is like, oh, they're here. We have to perform. There is know, sometimes people go, I don't know. I would have got up and turned around and left. It's like, you can't leave. They showed up. You know what I mean? And they go, it's insane. No security, no barrier, no thank you. You know, And I'd be like, no, no, you can't leave. These people are here. You gotta go. Why? You can't punish them. They showed up to see you. So you guys probably grew up with this sense and you probably still possess it, this sort of obligation almost. I don't mean in a negative way, but a certain we're responsible and we said we would do this and we're gonna go do it.

[Taylor Hanson]

Well, even. Even more.

[Dawson]

Some people call that integrity.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Taylor Hanson]

I would go further and say too. I mean, you know, not to chew. You can't need that because it's not healthy. But. But it was more, oh, my God, it happened, you know, because you've watched. I mean, we. We sort of studied the Beach Boys and the Beatles and the, you know, Jackson 5 and thought maybe one day, and there you are and you. You're looking at it, you're staring it. The other thing is, I really think a key part of what, like quote unquote, sanity keeping some degree of balance is it was our song, you know, and it was our songs. It's always been our. And so I think, you know, we just didn't write, you A song. I think the fact that we were. That, you know, we started it so early, which is really, really early, but we were still saying things that were coming out of us. It wasn't somebody else being like, here's your song, kid. And I think the survival of mentally, I think that was huge because it allowed us to go back to the hotel room or back to the backstage and kind of get connected to the fact that we had the ability to succeed or fail kind of on our terms in a way. Like, yes, the next one might not be a smash hit like that one, but it wasn't somebody else that you had to replicate or pretend to be.

[Adam Carolla]

Do you remember Letterman was shortly thereafter. Was that like the first big TV hit?

[Taylor Hanson]

Yeah, that was the first tv. That was the first one we did. We walked down at the 50 degree temperature and it threw.

[Dawson]

What's wrong with this guy?

[Taylor Hanson]

I think we did. I think in their time, in the time with Leno and Letterman, I think we played both shows at least seven or eight times over the last.

[Isaac Hanson]

We played on a lot. I think we played Leno more because, amongst other things, Jay was really cool. He was really, you know, very friendly, very, very personable and. And kind of, I felt. I felt a little bit like we kind of knew the crew really well because they'd, you know, seen us as young kids and then as, you know, teenagers and, you know, I mean, for 20 years. Yeah, we were one of the last. I think we were on in one of the last weeks of Leno's.

[Adam Carolla]

Of Leno's show. Yeah, Leno is a very nice guy and Dave's a little. Dave's. Dave's. Dave is feisty put to that. Well, you know, I think that's a graves not to talk to genius more about Cheryl Crow. But anyway, John Popper told me story about Cheryl Cross. Just give me ten minutes. No, but Letterman, it did make me think this because I was watching that doc, her first big hit, she went on Letterman and she did Leaving Las Vegas. And then he like waved her over like, hey, sit down. And then she sat down next to him and he said to her, like, hey, do you live in Las Vegas? Like, how'd you write that song? And she just kind of fazzed out and she wrote like, yeah, well, I wrote that song and blah, blah, blah. And then he's like, did you live in Las Vegas? Like, well, I didn't live there. Did you work there? And she's like, no. She kind of got herself into trouble because she said. And then Also, she wrote that song with a bunch of other people, but she just went like, yeah, oh, when did I write that song? I wrote that song the other day, you know, and then the guy who wrote the. The book Leaving Las Vegas saw her on Letterman and killed himself the next. That's not funny. What? Yes, Chris can find the story, but. So Leaving Las Vegas was the name of the book.

[Taylor Hanson]

That's not to say Left turn at Albuquerque. That's more relevant now.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes, that's what Bugs Money would do. Right? He wrote a book. They wrote the song. They kind of wrote it as a group with her Tuesday Night Music Club. Tuesday Night Music Club. And then she wasn't prepared when Letterman sort of hit her. And then she kind of got dug in. Like, I wrote the song and then the guy killed himself. And then all the news stories came out where she didn't write that song. She's taking credit for it. She was just this young person that got caught up in the lights and it. Yeah, for sure screwed her up. And by the way, to this day, she's being interviewed and she's breaking down into tears because of this crazy, crazy coincidence story.

[Isaac Hanson]

I never even heard that.

[Taylor Hanson]

But she's incredibly talented. Oh, my God.

[Adam Carolla]

Did you guys ever cross paths with her?

[Taylor Hanson]

We have gotten very close a couple different times, but never have really interacted. Mr. Frim and Chad Blake are, You know, we're. We loved her especially her second record was like one of our big, like, we want to work with that team. And almost made. Almost made our third record with those guys, and that was through. Okay. Loving Cheryl Crow. That's the. That's the connection point. So that's not us personally, but, yeah, big fans of her. And yeah, that's tragic. That's just like.

[Adam Carolla]

Chris, do you have that story? Yeah, I'm still looking for the exact details, but yeah, her performing on Letterman was blamed for John o' Brien's suicide. Wow. Well, yeah, I. Again, whether it's the roommate who's making fun of you because you're giving gay or Sheryl Crow going on Letterman, that's probably not the reason you kill yourself. Let's just keep it. Get a little sanity there. If Sheryl Crow can go on Letterman and the following day you can go, you know, it's a good idea. I think I should kill myself. There's probably some underlying pre. Existing series of things going on before that. So you got. But it's a crazy story. You'll see it in the doc and Crazy World. I felt bad for her and it was weird. It's like once Letterman found out that she wasn't from Las Vegas and that the song wasn't about leaving Las Vegas. Cause she never was in Las Vegas, he just kept digging in, and you could see now how uncomfortable she was.

[Isaac Hanson]

I think Letterman liked making people uncomfortable.

[Adam Carolla]

Uncomfortable, yes.

[Isaac Hanson]

Right. You know, like, he was like. He deliberately liked poking fun at you and you being the joke in a weird way.

[Dawson]

Certain kind of dark humor.

[Isaac Hanson]

Yeah, exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. He's very experienced. So you did. You guys. I did Letterman twice. And I don't know, however many years, but you guys probably done it a bunch of times.

[Taylor Hanson]

Yeah.

[Dawson]

We're lucky that we have each other to play off of. Right. We're rarely doing that alone. And so when something. Somebody sort of comes at you in a weird way, you're usually playing off each other. I'm usually responsible for saying most of the things that people regret. Not the interviewer or.

[Isaac Hanson]

Zach is usually responsible for the dig that goes too far or the dig that gets people to back off, too. You're the king of like, oh, you say something feisty, I'll say something even feistier.

[Dawson]

I'm laughing at people committing suicide.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I know you found that hysterical, but again, well, speaking of karma being a bitch, Zach, you got in a bad motorcycle accident. I did. Not too long ago.

[Dawson]

You know, that's.

[Adam Carolla]

That brick wall came out of nowhere.

[Dawson]

One of those stories I wish would. You know, I never thought I'd be repeating that.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Dawson]

I broke my collarbone and my shoulder blade in a couple spots and some ribs. And, you know, I just didn't quite make the turn on a Ducati and just kind of hit a brick wall.

[Isaac Hanson]

You should explain that a little more.

[Taylor Hanson]

I was redoing.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm not gonna.

[Dawson]

There's lots of reasons. Everybody that rides motorcycles know you're gonna go down at some point.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Dawson]

I just hope for your sake that, you know, you're wearing. I was wearing good gear, so, you know, my shoulder protector protected my shoulder from being shattered. And, you know you're gonna go down. It's part of the joy of doing it. That sort of living on the edge a little bit. Right. It's. It's a calculated risk. It's like skydiving, you know?

[Isaac Hanson]

Well, you've done that.

[Taylor Hanson]

You're a car guy and a bike guy. It's an interesting discussion because everyone tells you, we both have bikes. We now both have Triumph. Vonneville's just great bikes. Solid bikes. Nothing crazy. But, you know, it's not, quote, unquote safe. But I think it's the energy of the adrenaline. I think partly what makes it appealing. It's like you're putting yourself like you the wind and just like a rocket underneath your.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, you know, not to get too spiritual about it. And by the way, congratulations on being the only guy in Oklahoma with a Ducati.

[Taylor Hanson]

No, no, there aren't a lot.

[Adam Carolla]

There's a lot of Ducatis in Oklahoma.

[Dawson]

Well, we all have to drive to Texas to get them.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes, right now. So there's not an embargo. There's just probably not a big market for Ducati. No, unfortunately I have this thought which I used to ride motorcycles a lot and street bikes a lot. You know, just sort of Ninja 600 and Honda 404s. Like older, older stuff. But. And I do some racing on occasion. And you do have this thought that if you just turned your right hand and open the throttle up. And by the way, I don't like it when athletes celebrate in the end zone by doing the two handed throttle. There's no motorcycle. Get it right, Sean. It's one. They go like they do, both hands. Whose bike is on your left that you're messing with their throttle. But that aside, that's why everything can ruin. Everything's ruined for me. Because even if my team scores a touchdown, if they do the two hand throttle, I'm up and I'm angry, I'm throwing a beer at the TV set. But you have this thought that if I keep my right foot pressed down for another three and a half seconds or my right hand turn for another three and a half seconds, I can kill myself going through this wall or off this race course or off the back of the whatever. And it's almost like flying in a military jet. Like all I gotta do is push down on the yoke, count to five and there's a huge ball of fire.

[Isaac Hanson]

Yep.

[Adam Carolla]

But you control that. And thank God you didn't write Leaving Las Vegas. Cause you're. But I'm just saying you're gonna keep the hand on the yoke and not push it forward, but you are in control of that. And so in a weird way, going really fast on a motorcycle or going really fast in a race car, sometimes it's kind of like playing God in the sense that you're really in charge of not only your fate, but if you're doing a race, you're in charge of a lot of other people around you or whoever you're riding with or whoever's on the back of the Bike or whatever it is. And it's a kind of a weird complex of like you are really in charge. And unlike other facets of life where you can kind of look down at your phone for a second and go like, hold on, let me. You can't do that. But that's the, that's the appeal of it. Right?

[Taylor Hanson]

You can. Or that's the ball of fire.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, that's the ball of fire.

[Taylor Hanson]

Yeah, it's, it's, it's the focus. It's the Z. It's a kind of Zen, almost like you were present or else.

[Dawson]

Well, I remember my seven year anniversary with my wife. She took me to get our concealed carry license, right. From Oklahoma. And so carrying a gun, going to course to carry a gun. And I remember when I, the first time I carried a gun in public, thinking I have a gun and no one knows I have a gun, there's like all this responsibility and all this like, purpose and things that are like just everything changes and you start thinking about what other people are doing. And I think motorcycles is kind of similar in a sense of I could die any moment that person over there is on their phone.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Dawson]

And you're very present in a way that I think is powerful and positive.

[Adam Carolla]

And I think the idea for people is to figure out ways to synthesize and create that presence, minus the ball of fire or the gun going off at the club when you're going to the bathroom or whatever, minus that. But do not try to limit that danger because that danger is really life affirming.

[Taylor Hanson]

Yeah, it's, it's. You're not living unless you're, you know, a lot of that, that edge is, is kind of okay, now I'm really alive. And you've never felt more alive than. I mean, Zach and I jumped out of a plane a couple times. I mean, doing that with a parachute.

[Adam Carolla]

And that's why they're still here.

[Taylor Hanson]

And I'm not, I mean, I'm not crazy fan of that. I thought I had five. It was my favorite thing in the world. But man, I, my adrenaline was like for two days you just kind of are walking around like ready. And I think there's something strange about that, that we do crave some degree of that taking those chances.

[Isaac Hanson]

Well, because it creates a level of focus that is really powerful.

[Taylor Hanson]

For that matter, performance. As much as I'd like to actually say it's something there is. You're getting an adrenaline shot. You're getting this intense adrenaline and dopamine. Yeah.

[Isaac Hanson]

Two very, very powerful Drugs.

[Adam Carolla]

The red. Sorry, I should give the name out. Red, green, blue. We have another offering that you guys recorded slightly earlier in the day in this studio. And I'll throw to this one. It's Taylor's from Taylor's Pill. Red pill, red pill. Child at heart, you can just breath.

[Chris]

You are no mistake Though your fear is strange Just give your heart away like you're not afraid to face another day. Though you feel far, you can chase the star letter I could shout it out. You've been careful with your secrets and you've been faithful but you regret rest you've been hoping just to feel safe again. You've been hurting, you've been hiding I've been fed though I've been trying to breath you are no mistake Though you feel estranged Just give your heart away. Like you're not afraid to face another day. Do you feel it far? You can chase down just breath you are no mistake. And though you feeling strange, Just give your heart away. Yeah, you've been hurting, you've been hiding, you've been failing oh, you've been trying to. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. You can just breathe, you are no mistake. And though your fear is strange, Just get out of.

[Adam Carolla]

Breath.

[Chris]

To face another day. Do you feel it far? You can chase us down like sh.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, guys, that sounded so great. Like I said, I heard it in real time, just, I don't know, 45 minutes ago. It's always a treat when you guys come into the studio. I just dig your vibes so much. And please come back anytime.

[Taylor Hanson]

Thanks so much for having us.

[Adam Carolla]

You can shoot them a tweet Anson Music and know that they're going to be doing a tour in Europe and in the US and where should people go if they want to find.

[Isaac Hanson]

Hanson.net is the best place to find all the information. But we're on all the social media stuff, you know, Hanson or Handsome Music.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, thank you guys so much. Always a treat. And it's always such a treat when you play for me and for the fans here in my studio. Isaac, Taylor and Zach, until next time, this is Adam Carolla saying mahalo.

All right, that was Adam Carollo show 3316 Hanson in studio. That does it for today's Parole classics. Make sure to tune in tomorrow for all installment. Until then, hollow and get it on.