James Woods Tells Wild Hollywood Stories + the Dark Side of Politics

Summary

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Adam Carolla Show: James Woods Tells Wild Hollywood Stories + the Dark Side of Politics

Date: March 5, 2026
Guest: James Woods
Host: Adam Carolla
Key Co-Hosts/Contributors: Andrew Hobson

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Episode Overview

This episode features acclaimed actor James Woods joining Adam Carolla for an in-depth, freewheeling conversation in-studio. The discussion spans Woods’ career highlights and Hollywood anecdotes, his reflections on acting, intelligence, and creative collaboration, as well as his unfiltered commentary on politics, culture, and the current state of America. The pair share plenty of laughs, candid stories, and memorable insights on everything from method acting to societal trends and polarization. The episode concludes with news headlines and further commentary.

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1. Hollywood, Acting, and Creative Process

[02:37 - 24:41]

• James Woods’ Career Retrospective:

  • Adam and James discuss Woods' early roles, with Adam recalling “Salvador” as one of the first movies he ever rented. Woods describes working with director Oliver Stone on that film and its flawed but fascinating protagonist.
  • Adam praises Woods’ versatility, noting how he brings gravitas even to “corny” Hollywood roles.

• Improvisation in Hollywood:

  • Woods shares a behind-the-scenes story about his improvised scene in “The Specialist” (Sylvester Stallone film), emphasizing the team effort and freedom to play for authenticity and energy.
  • Notable quote:

    "That was a totally improvised scene."
    —James Woods [04:29]

• Character Actors vs. Movie Stars:

  • Woods contrasts his approach as a character actor with “leading men” and credits his career’s satisfaction to the unique stamp he puts on each role.
  • Adam draws an analogy to playing football (“opening the hole” vs. “scoring the touchdown”)—it’s the teamwork and contribution that matter.
  • Woods:

    "I may not be the best actor in the world, certainly not the best looking actor in the world, but if I've done a part, I feel like I've put a stamp on it." [06:19]

• Casino & Hollywood Grit:

  • Woods details landing his role in “Casino” by proactively reaching out to Scorsese. His mantra: “James Woods called, any part, anytime, anywhere. And here's the kicker: any price.”
  • Improvisation, ad-libs, and collaboration with actors like Joe Pesci made the role of Lester Diamond particularly memorable.
  • Woods:

    “We exchange ideas, and, you know, great actors love hearing ideas from other actors...” [18:29]

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2. On Intelligence, Education, and “Finding Your Niche”

[24:42 - 46:49]

• Intellectual Curiosity and MIT:

  • Woods shares stories from his time at MIT, reflecting on the importance of learning “how to think” rather than merely accumulating knowledge.
  • Woods:

    "Most people don't think a lot about what they're doing... They shoot from the hip." [25:58]

• Defining ‘Smart’:

  • Adam posits that “smart” means achieving what you want, regardless of formal education. Woods agrees, underscoring the importance of self-direction and finding your place.
  • Both discuss how “bad guys” in films are often misunderstood, and real complexity comes from playing against stereotypes.
  • Adam:

    "If you can figure out a way to do what you want, then I will say, you're a smart person." [32:16]

  • Woods:

    "People come alive all of a sudden in ways you don't expect when you just put them in the right spot." [45:54]

• Parental Support and Grit:

  • Woods recounts the emotional story of informing his mother he was leaving MIT to pursue acting, and her only condition: “Never give less than your best.”
  • Woods:

    “For 56 years, I kept that promise. And I never broke it once.” [41:29]

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3. Culture, Politics, and the State of America

[46:49 - 81:16]

• On Environments & Fitting In:

  • Adam and Woods discuss how people thrive when put in the right environment, using personal stories about feeling misplaced during school years.

• Culture and Identity Politics:

  • Woods comments on cultural enclaves, the value and pitfalls of preserving community values, and the tension between true diversity and cultural siloing.
  • Critical takes on teachers unions and figures like Randi Weingarten.
  • Woods:

    “If I wrote a book, it would be The Great American Monster. She's a monster.” [48:13]

• On Media & Political Manipulation:

  • Both criticize political and media figures for inflammatory, dishonest rhetoric regarding issues like ICE, immigration, and “mantras” around Trump and Russia.
  • Woods calls Adam Schiff “the worst human being in America... a censured, liar human being. He promoted that Russia hoax.” [59:41]

• Societal Trends:

  • Adam and Woods riff on the rise of emotional, “feelings-based” decision making in policy, differences between men and women in politics and leadership, and the cultural impact of gender and pharmaceutical trends.
  • Woods is strongly critical of the push for transgender policies among children and current Democratic Party values.
  • Woods:

    “If you’re still a Democrat and you support mutilating 5-year-olds because they like the color pink, you’re just a monster. Shut up.” [73:01]

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4. Hollywood & Industry Realities

[77:24 - 81:16]

• Hollywood Blackballing & Nepotism:
  • Both comment on the way outspoken conservatives are treated in Hollywood, noting the power of gatekeeping and the prevalence of “Nepo babies.”
  • Woods says being blacklisted didn’t affect him much, as he was “never a member of the club.”
  • Woods:

    “You’re kicking me out of a club I wasn’t a member of, so I don’t really give a shit.” [80:46]

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5. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Adam on Character Acting:

  “This is real acting in the middle of a surreal, unreal movie.” [12:44]

• Woods on Villains:

  “I didn't play a bad guy like a snarling maniac all the time because bad guys have to buy their groceries too…” [27:00]

• Woods on Creative Collaboration:

  “Great directors don’t have that pride of authorship... If you come up with something better, he’s for it.” [19:53]

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6. News Segment & Modern Life Commentary

[84:15 - 101:42]

• News by Andrew Hobson:
  • John Fetterman’s remarks on Trump’s Iran strikes [85:00]
  • Tampa Airport’s (joke) pajama ban sparks debate about public attire [87:22]
  • Rise of casual dress in public post-pandemic (“slipper slope” story)
  • Tech & AI: The story of an AI “wife” leading a man down a dark path [93:34], and broader implications of blurred realities, mental health, and detachment from tangible work and experiences
  • Parable: Adam emphasizes the value and grounding of physical, hands-on work

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7. Timestamps for Key Moments

| Time | Segment/Topic | |----------|------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:37 | James Woods welcomes and Salvador discussion | | 04:29 | “The Specialist” improvisation revealed | | 13:17 | “Casino” real-life inspiration and Scorsese anecdotes | | 18:29 | On collaborating with Joe Pesci and improvisation | | 24:42 | Woods’ intellectual journey and MIT stories | | 32:16 | Adam on the true meaning of “smart” | | 41:29 | Woods recounts telling his mother about acting | | 48:13 | Teachers unions and “monsters” in US culture | | 59:41 | “Adam Schiff is a censured, liar human being…” | | 73:01 | Woods on gender, politics, and transgender debate | | 80:46 | “You’re kicking me out of a club I wasn’t a member of…” | | 84:15 | News segment with Andrew Hobson | | 87:22 | Pajama ban at Tampa Airport triggers discussion on public dress | | 93:34 | The AI “wife” lawsuit and mental health in tech era | | 101:27 | Adam’s “reality check” on work vs. fantasy life |

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8. Closing Thoughts

• Woods Acclaim for Episode:

  “I so enjoyed this and wanted to look forward to it. I can’t believe the hour went by.” [81:16]

Adam Carolla and James Woods delivered a funny, thought-provoking, and at times fiery podcast episode, rich with Hollywood lore, cultural observation, and sharp political commentary.

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For behind-the-scenes stories, more Hollywood tales, and Woods’ music project “Tombstone Opera,” visit jameswoods.com and find him on Instagram/X. For live show dates and news, visit adamcarolla.com.

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[A]

Yeah, get it on. Got to get it on no choice but to get it on Mandate get it on. It's exciting day for me. James woods finally in the studio. Good to see you, my friend.

[D]

Finally. It feels like manifest destiny I'd be given. When am I gonna do your show with you?

[A]

I'm a big fan.

[D]

Oh, thank you. Same here. Same here.

[A]

Oh, thank you so much. It's God. I remember one of the first movies I ever rented was Salvador with you and Jim Belushi in it. One of Oliver Stone's earlier efforts.

[D]

Right. It was literally the first Oliver Stone movie. He had done a movie called the Hand with Michael Caine. It was like a little horror movie. But he was doing this movie called south of the Border, which ended up being Salvador celebrating this wily, kind of sleazy journalist guy. And he was, you know, a real fish out of water guy, Richard Boyle. But he was a patriotic American who wanted to get to the bottom of some things that he felt were wrong in American politics and so on. And actually quite a good journalist. So it was great to be a guy whose everything about him is wrong except he's got a good heart.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Very flawed, very lovable. And he had a lot of empathy for a guy who lived a life that you probably didn't think he'd have a lot of empathy for. But I just remember it must have been early 80s.

[D]

It was 80. We made it in 86.

[A]

I just remember really being moved by it. And it was pre Platoon, I think,

[D]

and it was the year before, the

[A]

year before Platoon, and then, of course, the Doors. And I was Oliver Stone fan, but I've always been a huge fan of your acting. And even in the corny stuff like the Specialist as, you know, that scene where you go into the Miami bomb squad department and read Settle everyone's Hash,

[D]

I just, you know, that was a totally improvised scene.

[A]

Yeah, I am. I was stupefied to hear that because it was so technical and it was so precise. And I kind of wonder. But you tell me if you vibe with this at all. Seeing a really good actor in a really good film, you're kind of used to it and the material's there. But when you have a film that's more of a blockbuster and a little cornier and a little more Hollywood, but you see that same actor bring that same skill to a different script in a weird way.

[D]

More satisfying it is because I think the really good actors and Brad Pitt just won the Oscar a few years ago. Brad Pitt ever did. Glamorous movie star Brad Pitt is actually a great character actor. He's really wonderful doing odd, quirky characters. So when he gets a chance to do kind of a quirky character, which Cliff Booth was in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

[A]

Inglourious Basterds.

[D]

Yeah, Inglourious Basterds. Wonderful. You realize, oh, man, this is. When this guy really shines. For me, it's the opposite. I'm a character actor, obviously, through and through. So when people say, well, you know, you were a movie star, and I go, I never felt like I was a movie star because I'm not a leading man. But I got to do some leading man roles, and if I got to add some quirky character quality to those actors, like in Salvador or whatever, to those characters, it gave me a special kind of patina. So, for example, I could say, look, I never had an Oscar. I've had a few nominations. I never had huge blockbuster movies that I starred in, but I really loved my career because I love playing those wonderful characters who are very unique. And I could always say, I may not be the best actor in the world, certainly not the best looking actor in the world, but if I've done a part, I feel like I've put a stamp on it that is unique, at least. Yeah.

[A]

You know, I don't know why it's making me think of this, but I played a lot of football, and on offense, I always blocked and I never scored the touchdowns. I never got the cheerleaders and got the glory, but I got a certain satisfaction of opening that hole and being a part of that thing, being part of the team and sort of doing your job, you know, and it sounds counterintuitive because you want to be the guy in the end zone holding the ball up, but you're the guy in the nine yard line on the ground. But there. There's something about doing your part in this bigger collective movement, whether it be football or a movie, that was wildly satisfying even if no one knew your name.

[D]

I love what you're saying because when I did the specialist, I thought, okay, this is a cornball kind of story, but my job is to be the very best I can and to really give it everything you've got. Because who knows, maybe there are only seven plot lines in every movie ever made in history. So if this is kind of a little corny, if we work hard enough, we can polish it up and make it something.

[A]

Well, that scene which I played on this show, which is you going in there and settling everyone's hash of the Dade county bomb squad, I was dumbfounded when I found out that that was done sort of on a lunch break, in between takes, and done sort of in an unscripted way. So maybe you could walk us through that.

[D]

Well, what happened was, and I'd like to give credit where credit is due. You want to talk about a team effort, we had A wonderful prop man. And he came up to me and he said, you know, there's. I think we had one other scene in the bomb squad thing, by the

[A]

way, we should find that scene just because it bears a second look.

[D]

So we were. He came up to me and said, you know, we've got this fake Semtex, this plastic explosive. He said, if I could rig up a trigger with a ballpoint pen so that, you know, you stick it in the. And could you kind of do something with that in a scene? And we had a wonderful local actor, a Cuban actor, actually. He was great. He played the guy that I bully around. And, you know, they all think I'm the interloper coming in. And I thought, I'm gonna teach this guy a lesson. And I said, let's just. I said, here's kind of what the idea of the scene is. Let's just go for it. And he was wonderful.

[B]

Wonderful.

[A]

He was great. Wonderful.

[D]

Yeah. Wonderful. And you'll see in the scene, if you get a chance to show it, you know, that thing where I know that a ticking time bomb is gonna be the idea. And so I do the countdown and then hit. You know, I disarm it by literally clicking the button. And it's a little bit Grand Guignol, sort of corny, the way the rest of the movie was, but we did it with complete compassionate commitment. And it sells it.

[A]

I think we should revisit it just because that makes me. Makes me laugh.

[D]

Oh, here it is.

[A]

Yeah. As you walk into the building, and you're Stallone's ex partner from way back in the day.

[D]

We were explosive experts. And now I'm a bad guy. All right, come on, boys and girls. Come on. What are we doing here? Let's look alive, huh? What do you got?

[B]

We're looking into everyone at the party.

[A]

Doing a complete background check. Okay, give me the next one. All right. Back when computers made noises.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So you knew they worked.

[D]

Oops. That might be somebody we know. Tell you what, I'll handle the biographies. You go back to trace and C4. Okay, Ace.

[A]

Chief says you're on this. Fine, but I don't take orders from any X anything. All right, Ace.

[D]

Oh, I gotta tell you something. I. I'm sorry, but I thought your chief said that the fullest cooperation would be forthcoming. And I gotta tell you something, sport. This doesn't feel like full cooperation to me. I mean, look at this shift here. What is this? This is. Shouldn't this be in the lockup? I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. You guys are the experts. Maybe you don't need me. I mean, like, what is this? This is Semtex. Am I right? Plastique. Whoops. Plastic explosive. Am I right? I don't know. You're the expert. I mean, this little bit could blow up this whole area. And if this area goes, the whole building could go up. Am I right? Gosh, I don't know. I mean, maybe if I put this in here.

[A]

What else do we 10?

[D]

Oh, this is a plunger detonator, am I right? And that's a little mini receiver. You know, this looks like American circuitry to me. And I gotta tell you, call me a patriot, but American craftsmanship, it's the greatest in the world.

[A]

Is this all improvised? Here we go.

[D]

Just see. Yep, perfect fit. First time, every time. Screw it on. And one little twist and voila. A perfect receiver bomb. Which, of course, is absolutely worthless without a transmitter. But, hey, 20 seconds and we're hot. Okay. Okay, now you deactivate it, you sanctimonious prick. Okay, you cut that citron. Oh, yeah, huh? Come on. Come on.

[A]

Okay, you made your point, all right?

[D]

Have I? Huh? Huh? Okay, that's enough. What do you mean it's enough? You think I give a if this whole block goes up? I don't. You mean you've had enough? Isn't that what you're saying?

[A]

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

[D]

Enough is enough. Huh? I can't do it.

[A]

Well, what the hell are you. You crazy or something?

[D]

I'm the craziest person you'll ever meet in your life. Six, five, four, three.

[A]

Please. I just. I remember going, look, this whole movie's a schlock fest, but I love it. But this is real acting in the middle of a surreal, unreal movie.

[D]

And they were great. You know, there's an old adage in acting. If you play the king, it doesn't work unless everybody acknowledges that you're the king. When you walk in the room. They've got a bow, but if they don't, then it doesn't work. And they were wonderful at being all terrified.

[A]

Yeah, everyone looked terrified. I don't know, some of them may have actually been terrified. Extras. And then your character in Casino. So good. Perfect. You know, I don't know why. Because your guy was a little. A lot conniving, but kind of sniveling.

[D]

Yeah, he was a real guy.

[A]

Oh, he was.

[D]

Yeah, he was. Lester diamond was based on. What was his name? Ginger. And I can't remember the real guy's name now, but they both. I think they both went to high school in the Valley with Robert Redford. Actually.

[A]

The San Fernando Valley.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, the San Fernando Valley when they were in high school. Lenny Marmor. That was his real name. And he was a golf hustler, which Bob added in the scene. He added it in. It wasn't in the script. He added it in and I got that. I always wanted to work with Marty. Who doesn't want to work with Marty Scorsese? And I had an agent who would always say to me, you know, you can't. You know, don't be calling anybody up. Well, that's what we do. I said, I'd like to. He's doing a movie. Maybe I could be in it. There's nothing in it for you. Okay? So I said, okay. I called up his office. I got the number. Scorsese's office. He was doing. I think it was the casting director's office where he was casting people. And I said, is there any chance I could speak with Mr. Scorsese? Well, he's busy. Of course. They're not going to let. I said, okay. This is James Woods. I said, could you please leave a message for me? She says, well, I said, it's eight words. Eight words. James woods called any part, anytime, anywhere. And here's the kicker. Any price. He calls me an hour later. He goes, you know, I was at Ileana last night. He was dating Ileana Douglas at the time. Lovely person. Good friend of mine.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And he said, boy, you know who I'd love to get for Lester diamond is James woods, but, you know, he's not gonna do five lines. Add five lines.

[A]

At the time, the part seemed to expand.

[D]

It grew a little.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

Well, you'll notice that most people don't write lines like you. Sanctimonious prick. Okay? So, in fact, Nick Pileggi is a friend of mine. And Nick said, I have to say, I never was so happy to take credit for unscripted lines in my entire life. I said, thanks, Nick. I mean, he was very gracious about it.

[A]

Batson Casino.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Cause Nick writes the mob.

[D]

He's the greatest, Right. He had Marty Wilson.

[A]

He's been in here.

[D]

But we had that beautiful young actress. The young girl was so great. And Sharon was. It was the star. The star role that she was meant to play.

[A]

The daughter.

[D]

The daughter was.

[A]

Yeah. There was comedy in it as well, which was funny because you were such a horrible guy, but you had to kind of Pretend like you liked the daughter. But then as soon as you were alone with the daughter, you turned into the prick.

[D]

When I'm sitting in the car and Sharon's on the phone, I said to her, and she was wonderful. She could take directions great. She had great ideas. I said, play with the button of the car because it'd just be annoying. I said, okay. And I said, Marty said, that is funny. I said, okay, can we do one more take? I said, flick my ear. Flick my ear and I'm jumping back. And finally he said, I can't watch the foregoing action because I'm laughing so hard with you guys in the back. I said to her once, I said, she was in this little Dale Evans, you know, Roy Rogers, Dale. Little Dale Evans cowgirl outfit. She had a little purse. And I said, could you at some point kind of swing the purse sort of in front of you and kind of like. She said, and hit you in the nuts? I said, marty, could you come here? I said, you know, of course that's what I meant, but I didn't expect her to say it, you know. And Marty, we did takes where I ad lib stuff. I actually have a picture of Marty lying on the ground laughing so hard it got ridiculous. He said, we can't do it. The whole movie stops it. Well, I mean, I give her all the credit. She was so good, that kid.

[A]

You take something like Raging Bull, and you realize there were so many laughs in Raging Bull that it was incredible. Joe Pesci, that scene where he's with De Niro and he's saying, punch me. And he's like, no, I'm not gonna punch you. You're my brother. You know what I mean? That was real vaudevillian. Laurel and Hardy, like, big. That whole scene was a funnier comedy scene than a lot of comedy movies.

[D]

Yeah. And, you know, actually, there's one little thing in Casino, in the scene in the diner where Bob comes in and, you know, he goes, you know, pimp. You know, the money I'm trying to get from Sharon because she's in love with me and not him and all that stuff. We. We did a setup that wasn't planned that day for me to walk out the door, brought the camera over, follow me out the door, because I was playing golf with Joe. Joe Pesci and I are friends, and Bob and I, we were all friends, and I was playing golf one day with Joe, and he said, shao, I hear you're gonna do another movie. I said, yeah, I'm so Excited? He goes, yeah, you have a walk for your character. I said, what?

[B]

A walk?

[D]

He said, you have a walk. I said, what are you, a fucking actor? He goes, yeah, I actually think about shit before I play these characters. Characters. People think I'm just this guy, but I actually think about this stuff. I said, no, Joe, seriously, what do you mean? He said, well, how funny would it be if you did, you know, like a pimp roll walk out? He said, you know, like literally a classic 70s pimp out of an exploitation movie. And I said, that is funny. So I did it. Marty loved that walk. And I've had people say it to me. They go, that walk out. And it was. I got to give credit. It was Joe's idea. And all the. The really great actors. Joe Pesci's a great actor. Bob Munro's a great actor. They're great. They have. In the experiences I've had working with them, we exchange ideas. And, you know, great actors love hearing ideas from other actors. We'll say, hey, how about if you do this and I do that? And, you know, you mentioned Jim Belushi, you know, when we were talking outside. You remember Jim and I were from Salvador. Yeah. We just had a great time together because he's a comedy guy. And we thought, why are we going to waste this? Well, you can be in a dire situation and be like, he was trying to be funny when the guys stop us. And I literally went, as they're going to take us and probably execute us. I go, I'm just a hitchhiker. I don't know who the fuck. And he goes, boy. And we were, like, bickering all the time in unbelievably horrible circumstances. And so it. If it was too much, Oliver would pull it back. But when it worked, it really just gave it a real texture of humanity. And Oliver, who is a great screenwriter and director and a great friend, one of my dearest friends, all we ever did was argue every movie. We were, but in a healthy way to create. And Oliver, even though he's a great writer, doesn't have that pride of authorship. Oh, I wrote this line to be. If it's important, he'll say it. Otherwise, if you come up with stuff, he'll say, yeah, do that again. Give me more of that, or tighten this up. He's great at having no sense of being the star of the moment of creation. Anything that can make it better, he's for. And that's why he's a great director.

[A]

Well, you know, I've dealt with This a little bit too, which is, ultimately, your name's on it, meaning Oliver Stone's name's on it or Marty Scorsese's name is on it. So you want the product to be as good as it can be, because you're the one who's going to get the credit anyway. So, you know, why involving your ego? If somebody has a suggestion to make your product better and your name's going

[D]

to be on it, you'd be surprised.

[A]

Oh, I.

[D]

You'd be surprised.

[A]

I know, but it's so impossible to write a script and then to know exactly what it's going to feel like when it gets up on its feet. It's just. It's not like a recipe, you know, a recipe is followed, you know, and you kind of know what the outcome is going to be if you do it right. Yeah, do it right, but your job is to adhere to it as perfectly as you can. Then the script, you hear it and you go, oh, it's not playing how it played in my head when I wrote it. So let's see if we can tinker with it.

[D]

Well, a perfect example of that is Sergio Leone, who was, for me, the greatest director that ever lived.

[A]

All the spaghetti westerns.

[D]

That's underestimating his. Unbelievable. He wrote a trilogy, which was Once Upon a Time in the west, the Charles Bronson, Henry Fonda movie. Then the studio ruined it. They called it Duck, you sucker. It was actually called Once Upon a Time, the Revolution, and then Once Upon a Time in America. This was his idea, literally the evolution of North America and capitalism from a cinematic point of view. The railroads, the robber barons. In the first one, the Mexican revolution, land grabbing by America. Hey, we did it. Good. And then the evolution of mob control of America, which is a very central part of how I think we got to where we are, in some ways, an amazing director and an amazing man. I loved him. And he said to me one day, he said, you know, he pretended he didn't speak English, but I spoke French and he spoke French, so I was able to catch him. I go, sergio, come on, I know you speak. So I was talking to him one day and he said, you know, you're working with you and Bob because it was two characters. It was their story. And he said, working with you and Bob. He said, I've always worked in an operatic way. I see it. Henry Fonda comes in, his trench coat blows, he ends up killing the boy. It's, you know, big operatic, widescreen imagery. He said, and you guys improvise and do things and move and change stuff. And he said, I thought I would hate it the first week you started doing it. He said, now I love it because I can move the camera and then if I need something, you'll do it for me. Hey, boys, I need you that way because I want to fill the frame. Sure, sure, we can do that. We'd find a way. It was the greatest experience of my life as an actor.

[A]

So you grew up. So let me. I'll ask you what did I ask this to somebody who liked this question? But I said, I'll think of it in a second. But I said, do you think of yourself as a. When I was interviewing this person, I go, you think of yourself as a comedian or a really smart person who can just sort of apply it to things. And you've chosen. In this case, this guy chose comedy. But are you at first, in your core, just a bright. I mean, you don't want to heap praise on yourself, but, I mean, I think it's.

[D]

I'm fine with that.

[A]

It's abundantly apparent that you're a very smart person. And smart people like you would make a really good lawyer because you're good at it.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Jerry Seinfeld would make a really good lawyer.

[D]

Great lawyer.

[A]

Right. Seth MacFarlane would make a good lawyer. Jimmy Kimmel would make a good lawyer. You could take these people and plug them in in other positions and places, and they'd be a good network head. They'd be good at a lot of stuff.

[D]

You know what I mean? This is an excellent question that you're circling around. I've never. Nobody's ever really gotten to the center of how I ended up where I am. And you just have, which is this. I was a science guy, but I loved literature, I loved learning, I loved thinking. I mean, when we went to our orientation day at mit, I. This guy comes in, he's in leather, motorcycle garb and arthomatic. I still remember he was a full professor of mathematics at MIT at 28 years old. Inconceivable to have that position of intellectual power at the best university in the world at that time, I think mit. Yes, it was fantastic. And he basically said, look, I don't know what you're going to learn here at mit. He put an equation on the board. He said, nobody in this room. There were 950 of us freshmen. This big auditorium called 26, 100, 26, 100. He said, nobody will ever. You won't understand this. He said, you know, I understand it because I wrote it and that's why I was nominated for the Nobel Prize. Whatever he said. But there's one thing you're going to learn to do here. You're going to learn how to think. Now that seems kind of blatantly obvious to the most casual observer, but most people don't think a lot about what they're doing. They do think. They shoot from the hip. You watch it in politics all the time. Democrats come out, one guy says, the walls are closing in. Seventeen people say the same thing. You know, everything is a mantra, it's a narrative. Nobody really thinks it through. And it's pretty easy to do so because a lot of times when people ask me political questions, I'll say, here's the problem with your question. It's the wrong question. Because as we used to think at mit, we would say if you are posited with a series of circumstances and you have to come to a conclusion, they didn't even care about the answer. They wanted to know the process by which you got to that answer. And then the answer was again blatantly obvious to the most casual. It was kind of a smart ass thing. They would say, I did well when I was acting. Also, there's another contingent part of it in movies that had better scripts and were really about something. I did well in those because I was a good thinker. And so, for example, I play a bad guy or a bad guy. You're a snarling bad guy. Well, I didn't play a bad guy like a snarling maniac all the time because bad guys have to buy their groceries too and go to the bathroom and say, oh, I got a little ward on my neck, I better go see the doctor. I mean, they're not killing somebody every 20 seconds.

[A]

Well, they're not evil for the sake of being evil.

[B]

Of course not.

[D]

They have an agenda.

[A]

They don't think of themselves as evil. They want stuff. Yeah, yeah, they have an agenda. And it always bothered me when they did movies where the bad guy was bad and they'd show them come home at night and the cat would come up to him and he'd kick the cat. It's like he loves his cat.

[D]

Exactly.

[A]

He wants something and that something is gonna hurt other people. But he's not bad. He doesn't see a bad person in the mirror.

[D]

You know, it's interesting and against all odds, I was the bad guy.

[A]

Oh, God, yeah.

[D]

And Jeff got that. Jeff and Rachel. Yeah, they're in love with each other. It's great. And they're gonna have this affair and she's cheating on me and so on. Yes.

[A]

You're the club owner who owns that

[D]

club on Hollywood and Vine. Yep.

[A]

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[D]

But anyway, I said to someone, they said, yeah, you were the villain. I go, by the way, in that movie, she. Her character killed more people than I did. Yeah, but she's the hero. I was like, what?

[A]

Yeah, you want stuff. I mean, look, the lawyer who just sues restaurants for violating the Americans with Disabilities act. And he's essentially an extortionist who just takes money from small businesses, comes home at night and hugs his daughter and reads her storybook and does not see that guy in the mirror. He sees an entrepreneur or someone who's providing for his family, and he doesn't see who that person is.

[D]

I mean, the Godfather is a perfect example because the way it was conceived, brilliant movie. Of course, one of the greats ever. The way it was conceived was that especially the De Niro character, Bob's character, he was defending his family because he watched his family be slaughtered. So he knows that family is everything. And Al said that, by the way, I was talking to Al once about it. He said the. The scene with Brando was so important because when he was trying to save Brando in the hospital, when the bad guys were coming, when Barzini's guys, he was behind it all, are coming to kill him, he said he ad libbed, actually, I'll take care of you. And Brando shed a tear. And it was a great moment. That wasn't in the script. I saw this on a YouTube video about it, I think, or Al told me, I can't remember. But the whole idea was family was everything. So you always have to say in every story, in every movie, every novel, every. But especially in movies, there's a wonderful book by Blake Snyder called Save the Cat. There are two things the hero always has to deal with. One is the quest. The quest. It's like he wants to protect his family, whatever. And there's the journey, which the lead character may not be aware of. Now, the lead character's quest may not be of much interest to us as an audience, but it's really important to the character. So we want that character to get it in Ice Age. The little guy who runs around with his acorn. We really want that guy to have his acorn, you know, I mean, so it doesn't mean much, but what it. I've used this Example before in Zombieland, Woody Harrelson's character just wants to get a Twinkie. That's all he wants.

[A]

Right.

[D]

But his journey ends up being unifying all these stragglers to have now be a family.

[A]

I think I may have posed the question to Albert Brooks, like, do you think of yourself as a comedian or just a smart guy who wants to do comedy? And so you can, but you could take that intellect and sort of steer it any direction you wanted. And so back to you and your brains. You didn't start out thinking you're going to be an actor.

[D]

No.

[A]

You didn't go to MIT to be an actor. So you went there because you're bright. And at some point, if you know what, I haven't thought about it in a million years, but people would say to me, what is your definition of being smart? Because I was not a good student and I didn't go to college, and some guys are really book smart and other guys have no sort of emotional intelligence. And I go, look, if you can figure out a way to do what you want, then I will say, you're a smart person.

[D]

You're the smartest guy in the world.

[A]

If you said, I would like to move to Fiji and open a dive shop and just have a business and live in Fiji, and you pull it off, you could do it with a ged. And I will label you as a smart person.

[D]

I'm with you 100% on this.

[A]

So smart people not only are smart, but by def. There's so many different definitions of smart that I would like to just consolidate it into, can you do what you want? And that could be. Be the greatest dad in the world. It doesn't matter.

[D]

I will label you smart person 100%.

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[D]

I mean, you know, people talk about people being a savant these days. The actual expression was, you were an idiot savant. Dostoevsky wrote a book, the Idiot. Okay, but these were people who now we recognize as maybe somebody with

[A]

what

[D]

we would call Asperger's syndrome or being on the spectrum or being all these different things. People who are dyslexic. How about if you're dyslexic? People don't know what dyslexia is now. 40 years ago, 50 years ago, you're in school. Oh, he's a dumbbell. And it turns out the guy's a genius. He just has this one little wire that's a little off in his brain so that he can't put the letters together properly, he can't read, but, you know, ends up designing. I mean, I believe. I don't know if this is true or not, that Elon Musk, whom AOC said, this guy doesn't know anything about science. It's like he's the.

[A]

The dumbest billionaire.

[D]

Yeah, the dumbest billionaire. Boy, what an accidental thing that was. But, I mean, he might be a little touch on the spectrum and so on. But look at what he. His accomplishments are astonishing because he has a plan in mind. And, you know, here's another answer to that question. Somebody once said to me, if you could have had any other actors, if you could have had any actor's career in your life, who would it have been? Now, see, they thought they were asking this question, who are some of the careers that you. Who are some of the people whose careers you greatly admire? That's what they thought they were asking. But what they asked was what I answered. If you could have had anybody's career, anybody's career, whose would you have had? And I thought about it and I thought, well, this guy made a lot of money, and this guy did this, and there was some great performance. And I said, my career, I would. I'd stick with my career.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Never had an Oscar, never made, you know, Billions, all that stuff. But I loved. There was one movie that was kind of crappy I did, but every movie I did, I felt really great. But when I. This is a very. I actually wrote about this. I have a newsletter that I do every week that goes with my music stuff that I do. And I tell these little stories. It's never a Hollywood story. Once in a while, it might be something, but it's more the human part of it. But I like to tell stories about when I lived on Guam when I was 3 years old and all that stuff. And I tell the story about the moment I called my mother and told her that while I was on high dean's list and full scholarship at mit, I decided I was going to leave school in my senior year with a semester to go to pursue a career in acting. That was the longest pause in telephonic history. It was like, okay, what is your thought about this? And I told her how it just made me feel, just what I loved about it, that I'd done all these plays at Harvard and MIT and the summer stock, and I just loved doing it. And I didn't love sitting, learning differential Equations. I was bored shitless and so on. And she said, listen, when I was 19, I married your father. Everybody said, you're too young. He said, it was the greatest decision I ever made in my life. The most remarkable man. He gave me two beautiful sons. He cared for me. He treated me like a queen. We never had an argument. He was the kindest man. He'd been through two wars. I lost him young, unfortunately, from terrible medical accident at the hospital, Valley Forge Hospital. And then I had you boys, you know, young and everything. Oh, you're so young. She said, it was the greatest thing I ever did. I loved being a wife. I loved being a mother. When my husband died at 33, I started this little school, and it became very successful because I was really a caring person, she said. And I did everything I could to make sure that my boys didn't suffer because they lost their father. So here's the promise that I want you to make. And then you will have my blessing whether you succeed or not, whatever it is you do. And if you want to do this acting, you promise me that every day of your life, you will try your very best and never, ever less. And for 56 years, I kept that promise. And I never broke it once.

[A]

It's not a very complicated algorithm to be successful.

[D]

It isn't.

[A]

You work hard. You don't screw people over because it's a real marathon and not a sprint. You have no idea how many people you see as interns or gophers, and the next thing you know, they're running NBC. You blink your eyes and you're like, I'm glad I didn't screw that guy over. I wasn't a dick to him on the set, you know, 18 years ago. And it's about relationships, but it's sort of what I always just refer to as diet and exercise. You want to lose weight. You don't have to get into dietetic fudge or Ozempic or any exercise and diet. You know what it is. Everyone knows what it is. You don't want to do it, but it's pretty straightforward, especially in this country. You cannot pull it off in certain countries, but here, you want to work real hard. You want to be disciplined. You want to have a great attitude. You'll make your way right up. You don't need to be blessed or touched by the hand of God.

[D]

That angel who's sitting out there, my lovely wife Sarah, whom you met. You know, we had a tricky year last year. You know, they burned down our whole neighborhood. And by the way. Thank you for your devotion to that. We'll talk about that. I had emergency heart surgery. I had emergency gallbladder surgery. I was in cardiac therapy the first day I met the lady and I said, you look familiar to me. She goes, yeah, yeah, we met 20 years ago. I go, oh, you remember? She goes, yeah. I said, where did we meet? She said, in this office when you had your first stent put in and you were supposed to do cardiac therapy. And you thought, nah, I don't really need to do this. And here you are 20 years later. And I said, yeah, well I'm here now. And she said, okay, do you want to come two days a week or three days a week? I said, this is a test. Three days a week. She goes, right, it was a test and you passed. So the first day I'm sitting there and I'm in this little wheel thing, you know, they said, you're going to do six minutes. I go, I can probably do more. No, you're just going to start at six minutes. And we have you all wired up and they watch all your heartbeats and all this stuff. And the guys are on the treadmill. Guys and women, I mean, they're all. Everybody's post op and you know, like cranking away. I said, by the way, I can't do the treadmill. Cause I have flat feet. She goes, you'll do the treadmill? I go, no, I really can't. You will do the treadmill. So you go for 36 sessions. By session 35, I was doing the treadmill 45 minutes a day, really. And I stopped eating, you know, bacon and eggs for breakfast and have all this shit today. And, you know, Sarah finally said, hey, you're finally listening to me. And we just made a commitment. And all of a sudden, you know, it was great because I'd started swimming a little bit and I was feeling. I now have a whole new life. And I have friends who are my age. And like I say, you know, man, get out of the chair. Just get out of the chair. You know, put down the clicker, get up, go over and hit the button to change channel. Just take the first step. It's astonishing. I'm a big fanatic about this stuff. Don't take the crap. Ozempic, all this. I'm sorry, but I don't know about Ozempica. I shouldn't say that. I take it back. I don't know. Whatever your doctor tells you, whatever you want to do, I don't take any of that stuff. I Exercise, I diet. I listen to my wife. I am the happiest person you could ever imagine.

[A]

And circling back to something we were talking about, which is the person that was in class who was dyslexic and not able to follow along but may have actually been a genius, but not in this environment. That's another thing that I think we need to figure out, which is like, Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player to ever play. But if he was sitting all day and it was a swim team or a tennis team, then he would not be excelling. And then they'd be saying to him, what's wrong with you? And the answer is, he's not where he should be.

[D]

Where he's supposed to be.

[A]

Where he's supposed to be. So I was sort of that way in class. I was sitting there, I couldn't read. I couldn't do spell. And they were like, what's. You're dumb. What's wrong with you? And it's like, well, I'm not. Where. I didn't know it. I never said it. I just sat there feeling sort of dumb. But I'm like, I'm just not. It turned out I was not where I was supposed to be.

[D]

See, I didn't know any of this about you because, Icarolla, I gotta be sharp today because that guy's smart. See, I didn't. Now, it's really interesting you say this to me because I am in shock to hear this. I mean, Sarah knows all about you, but I don't like to know about people's names. I just like to watch it and listen to them so on. And it's, like, wonderful to me to know that you've found your niche. You know, people come alive all of a sudden in ways you don't expect when you just put them in the right spot.

[A]

Well, you know, I always say it's sort of this way. Like if you take a marlin and you just put it on the beach, it just flails. But you put it out in the sea and it's majestic because it's made for cutting through the ocean at 40 miles an hour. You have to kind of find your environment right back there.

[D]

But if they start to close down potential environments to the point where you can't function no matter where you are, that's when we get in trouble.

[A]

I agree.

[D]

And I have a theory about that. One thing, Sarah. We were driving through West Hollywood today from Beverly Hills to come here. And I said, man, you know, I gotta say, this is, you know, in Case people don't know it in California, in Los Angeles area. Los Angeles is made of 77 little cities are all sort of glued together. One of them is West Hollywood, and it's proudly known as the gay community area of Los Angeles. And, you know, it's no surprise that the gay community prides itself on design and beauty and so on. And West Hollywood's really starting to look fantastic. I mean, Melrose, all the great stories, I mean, they've made it just beautiful. And Sarah said there's a reason that works, because this is a pretty unified culture. The people here have the same values, whatever they may be. Some people may not like them, some people do, but they know what they want, they know what they like, they know what they don't like. They live a certain way. And if people are deprived of their ability to enjoy and live within their cultures, it can be a problem.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

But then on the other hand, if you have a nation where cultures only want to live together, where you only have Dearborn, Michigan is all Muslim and Chinatown's all Chinese immigrants, then you don't get genuine diversity either. So it's a tough one to have a melting pot and yet still preserve a respect for culture. Because within culture, people can be protected who maybe aren't oftentimes put into their. Who become a square peg in a round hole because somebody. This is why I love the Supreme Court decision where parents make the decision about their children, not union educators. My mother was a teacher, and she would be appalled today by the horror of unionized educators in Randy Weingarten to me. Randy Weingarten to me is just my personal opinion. The great. I mean, if I wrote a book, it would be the Great American Monster. She's a monster. She's a monster.

[A]

I agree. She's the teachers union's head. Whatever. Listen, I've been saying lately, I grew up, teachers and nurses were heroes.

[D]

Yeah, and they still are as well,

[A]

but they've turned into something I don't recognize. Every time someone is out saying something horrible about Charlie Kirk, it turns out to be a female schoolteacher from a. Whatever. Half the others are nurses, half the. It's interesting. And by the way, some are good, many are good. Nurses in general, I think are better. But I mean, if you were a schoolteacher, you are not this version of the schoolteachers that we're seeing today.

[D]

Well, I have to say, Charlie was a friend of ours. Charlie. We were at a fundraiser at our friend's house for Turning Point usa. And when I first met Him. It was at one of the fundraisers. And I just went, because they're very good friends of ours. And she said, I love you. And when he started talking, I said, I mean, he was. It was good fundraiser. It was just 12 people, but it was a good fundraiser. And I really challenged him. I said, well, how do you. How are you going to accomplish these? And he didn't. There was not a flutter in that sale, man. He said, full steam. He just. I'm mixing metaphors, sales and steam. Anyway, he explained how Turning Point worked and how it worked on campuses, how it could affect the election, how we could get somebody in there who wasn't a moron like Kamala Harris. And I don't make fun of Joe Biden because he clearly has dementia issues. I think he was a worthless, disgusting piece of scum before he got sick. But once he's sick, I won't say a horrible thing about him, you know, and it was, like, really important. So I got to know him. The last time we saw him, he was sitting right next to Sarah, and he wasn't able to speak because he had laryngitis. So he had people. I said, charlie, could I say a few words? And I spoke for 45 minutes on his behalf, and he was very appreciative. Sarah was, like many of us, really, really broken by that assassination. Way beyond the obvious, which of course you would be. She said, to see someone be murder in real time that you liked and you were talking to a few months ago. She said, what country are we living in? And, you know, I.

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[D]

The click bait, the rage baiting stuff that goes on. There are. Look, I've been at a lot of hospitals, a lot of treatment, and nurses are fantastic people, as you said, but the ones who aren't are doubly sinful. Because if you are, there's this one nurse who said she wanted to use, I don't know how you sucoline, you know, to paralyze patients if they were ICE agents or if they supported Trump or whatever I'm saying. So you're basically promoting poisoning people to death as a nurse. And now when I go in the hospital, I think, is there another lunatic like you? And secondly, why is this person not in prison? There's no discussion about it because you are provoking someone else to do this stuff. Like these people are talking about hurting ICE agents and so on. Look, I'm a Roman Catholic. I was an altar boy. I think abortion is murder. That's what I think. I'm entitled to think that. I'm an American, I'm a Catholic. I have a friend who's an arch feminist. She's a liberal woman, brilliant. She thinks something differently. We agree on almost everything once we sit down and talk. But I say, you know, Carol, we'll never agree on this issue. And she said, yeah, and we understand why. But the people who disagree in these things and think, well, because you disagree. Look, I'm not going to go and kill an abortion doctor because that would be murder. You can't do that. So when abortion was federally legal, according to the Supreme Court, incorrectly, as it turned out, and we all knew that, except people who didn't want to believe it, you know, that didn't give you a right to go around promoting the murder of abortion doctors, even though they themselves are murderers. But, you know, we can't do that. It's not what we do in the United States. But it's okay to start provoking people to murder ICE agents if you don't like it. We have a process. It's called a redress of grievances. If you actually ever took a civics lesson, you actually have a way of changing the law. You want to have a wide Open border and let 18,000 terrorist people in, you know, who are promoted by terrorists. I mean, well, just the fact. Just the fact that, you know, I just prayed this week that for once, the party that I was devoted to for 30 years wouldn't once again be on the wrong side of history and, you know, and not come out and say, but, you know, Khomeini wasn't such a bad guy. This guy who murdered 60,000 people in the past 30 days, you know, how can you stand for this with a straight face? But they do it and they do it in lockstep and it's just shocking.

[A]

I know. I agree. I agree 100%. But what it is, I mean, what I've realized, and I like an example or a metaphor, the politicians, they do this thing where they go, we gotta lower the temperature and so on and so forth, and then they go, Trump is Hitlerian. And these ICE agents are rogue and they're thugs and they answer to nobody and they're kicking open doors and grabbing American citizens and disappearing them. So, okay, so none of that's happening.

[D]

It's all bullshit, right?

[A]

It's all bullshit.

[D]

And they know, and there can be an accident where it might happen.

[A]

They know it's bullshit. But the 19 year old with his dad's hunting gun who's on all the meds, believes them. And that's what gets people killed.

[D]

That person is what was called. I think it was. Was it Lennon who called them useful idiots?

[A]

Yes. So, okay, the example is, it's sort of like you go, all right, let's just say you're a wife. And you say to your brother, who's a little younger and a little volatile, look, my husband Fred, he beats the shit out of me every night. He's a horrible guy. He's addicted to alcohol and gambling. He's a womanizer. And I'm scared he's going to kill me. Well, then there's a good chance Fred may show up one day with a pistol. Or, I'm sorry, the brother may show up with a pistol and take Fred out. Now, the wife is lying. The wife's just talking. But your talk is influencing this person. And you're gonna get your husband, who doesn't do this stuff, killed. And then you say, I never told my brother to kill him. No, your brother did the math.

[D]

I've had people lie about me, you know, on the Internet and so on, and it becomes a mantra, and it's not true. I had a guy lie about me. I won the lawsuit. So I can't talk about it. And I just said, I'm gonna sue him. Fuck, I'll sue. Anybody who gives me a hard time is like, here's the one thing they don't understand. I love this shit. You want to battle? Great, let's do it. Except. But I learned this one thing when I played Roy Cohn. I thought, boy, what an evil guy this was. Except he did one thing that I thought was really good. I always say to people, I'll give you one chance to stop your shit. But once you don't stop your shit, understand this. If we're going to engage, I'm never stopping. Never stopping. You win the first round and find another way to say whatever it takes. I am never stopping. Here's the part that you left out again. You always have to think. Here's where thinking comes in. You left out the one possibility with Fred's wife. Let's call her Tina. Okay, here's the problem with Tina. How do we know that she hasn't already done the groundwork? I'm putting together the chess game here and thinking, I gotta get rid of Fred because I'm banging Bill over at the office, so maybe I'll get the kid brother to do it, and so on, because she is a sociopathic killer. And you don't know. So when these people are all provoking people to murder ICE agents and do all this stuff, the people who are doing it, I mean, you think this fraud is accidental? You think all. You know, like, the worst human being in America is a man named Adam Schiff. Yes, he is.

[A]

I do hate that guy.

[D]

He is a horrible, censured, liar human being. He promoted that Russia hoax. What people never realize is while he was doing it and all of the media were in lockstep with all the mantras that whoever would write up for them every day their talking points, and then all the useful idiots would follow it in the Democratic Party. And they still say it. I mean, Stephen Colbert, I can't believe I'm saying his name literally. Use these words. Trump is Putin's cock holster. Said this about the President of the United States.

[A]

Right.

[D]

Okay. You know, I have to say, it's like on a network television. It's just appalling. And it was a complete and utter psyop. It was a psychological operation done, you know.

[A]

Well, the part that was interesting and

[D]

it's the part and people believed it and this guy's still promoting it.

[A]

The part that people should really stop and focus on is when they did drill down onto Russia and What they were trying to do, it turns out much of what they were trying to do is so racial division, not the election. So you dumbos fell for all of it.

[D]

But Black Lives Matter and all that stuff.

[A]

They weren't even working on Trump in the election. Most their efforts were sowing racial division, which you guys bought into and we found out about. But it didn't seem to slow Adam Schiff's role to go right back into this mantra of Russian collusion and Putin's puppet and Katzball and all that kind of stuff. It's not, you know, for me, it's a little less about them. And I sort of feel this way about COVID It's kind of more like, what were you guys all, how gullible is the average American? And how much do you buy into this? And what happened to you?

[D]

Well, 77 million of us didn't buy into it. And the same 77 million, you know, that vaccine, man, I tell you, I say to my doctor, you know, he said, well, you're older and you've got a heart condition. You know, you probably do it. And, man, the one thing I wish I had never done in my life was let that shit, you know, come near me. Luckily, I didn't do any the boosters and so on, but we don't know for sure. But here's the thing. These people have a different agenda than you think. All of this ice stuff, all of it, all of it, it's only about one thing. This bright, shiny object so that we can take the heat off all of the Democrat corruption. The amount we have a $38 trillion debt. I'm a gambling man. I guarantee you half of that is Democrat corruption.

[A]

It's insane.

[D]

It's astonishing. The amount of money.

[A]

Well, this is astonishing. And it's also.

[D]

It's astonishing.

[A]

Every dollar that's wasted is a dollar that doesn't go toward whatever it was earmarked for. But it's also interesting that they will fight on any subject. I mean, it could be getting rid of the ayatollah. It could be the men's hockey team winning the gold. It could be closing the border. No, that's the whole. Let me describe it to you this way. If you ever play with your dog, and the dog has the one end of the rope toy, and you're holding the other end, and the dog is pulling toward the front of the house and you're pulling back, right?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

At some point when you're playing with the dog, you'll inevitably spin around in a 360. Now the dog is pulling the direction you used to pull, but now. So what is the dog doing? The dog is pulling. The dog doesn't have a direction.

[D]

The dog is just pulling for the sake of pulling.

[A]

He's the opposite of what you're doing. He does not want to go out the front door, he doesn't want to go out the back door. He doesn't want to go to the kitchen. He is literally pulling. And you could spin a thousand circles and he just keep pulling.

[D]

I have a friend who calls it oppositional disorder. I had a girlfriend.

[A]

Oppositional defiance disorder is. Yeah, what?

[D]

It's a real thing. It is, but I literally dated this woman. I mean, I literally started to say the opposite of what I wanted. I'm not kidding, not even as a joke. I say, I think we turned left up here. No, you go right. Didn't you look at the. Oh, do I? Okay, thanks. Because it was astonishing. I was astonishing. I was like, could you find. I mean, as it turned out, There was a 15 minute window every day between the second and third drink when actually she wouldn't argue about shit.

[A]

But, you know, no, originally, I mean, there is an adolescent oppositional disorder. It's basically your kid who just argues over everything all the time. And now adolescence is carrying well into adulthood. And there's also a phenomenon that I talk about a lot and it's starting to be discovered, which is an influx of women in these positions of power who are not wired the same as males and have a much higher capacity for this than formally when it was a bunch of old dudes that were in that. And I'm not saying women are flawed or women are bad. I'm just saying they are different than men. And there's a lot more capacity for this, like Trump derangement syndrome and all that kind of stuff. It can be much more prevalent in women. And you take like, like Mayor Bass, LA City Council, there is just much more. There's much more estrogen floating around. And you can see it sometimes. And I'll give you an example. And it probably just happened with Hillary Clinton during her deposition. You'll see it very clearly when the presidents of Harvard and the other universities were called in front of Congress and they answered the questions, some better than others, but as soon as they had Elise Elise Pistonic, I don't think of her name, they had a woman, they had a bitchy woman, and she started pushing their buttons, you know, and she started saying, get admit it or say it. Just say, you know, yeah. And they start. Stefanik. She started pushing their buttons, and they ceased being presidents of universities, and they became women, and they started battling with her, and then they ended up getting fired because they didn't care. At that point. They were just arguing with another woman who was sort of pressing their buttons

[D]

brilliantly, by the way.

[A]

No, if I were trying to trip up one of these female presidents of one of these universities, I wouldn't have Jim Jordan do it. No, I would have a woman do it. You start pushing on their buttons and they'll start. And it's a clip. It's out there. They ceased being presidents and Congress people and heads of whatever and became women who were fighting at that point. And a lot of these. I think a lot of the emotional decisions, you know, no person is illegal. You know what I mean? Everyone deserves a seat at the table. These aren't general

[D]

mantras.

[A]

I know, but they're feelings based versus nuts and bolts based. All right, we'll play it first.

[D]

Sir? Yeah.

[A]

If we have it. Okay.

[E]

Upon your testimony, you understand that this call for Intifada is to commit genocide against the Jewish people in Israel and globally, correct?

[A]

Correct. That's the case.

[D]

I will say again, that type of hateful speech is personally abhorrent to me.

[E]

Do you believe that type of hateful speech is contrary to Harvard's code of conduct, or is it allowed at Harvard? It is at odds with the values of Harvard. Can you not say here that it is against the code of conduct At Harvard,

[D]

we embrace a commitment to pause.

[A]

So what she's thinking is, bitch, you're not gonna get me to say shit. You want me to say bitch, I'll fuck you up. Meanwhile, you get dragged into this thing and then you get fired. We'll play a couple seconds more.

[D]

We embrace a commitment to free expression, even of views that are objectionable, offensive, hateful. It's when that speech crosses into conduct

[E]

that violates our policies against bullying, harassment, does that speech not cross that barrier? Does that speech not call for the genocide of Jews and the elimination of Israel? When you testify that you understand that is the definition of Intifada.

[D]

Checkmate.

[E]

Is that speech according to the code of conduct or not?

[D]

We embrace a commitment to free expression. Right.

[A]

They won't do it. She's not gonna let this fat bitch boss me around. So she did it, she got sucked in, and then she got fired.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's exactly what they'll do. And I've seen it a lot with school teachers, occasional nurse, just doing things, tweeting. Things and yelling things in the cameras like, well, now you're gonna get fired from your school that you work at.

[D]

I'm taking a different point of view on this. Not a different point, a corollary point of view on this because first of all, two middle aged or one older white guys talking about what? Women, you know, how women think is by definition a landfill. It's a minefield. It's a minefield.

[A]

I know, I agree.

[D]

Okay, but let me just say. Let me say it in a positive way. So I was building this house. It's going to be a big project. And my mother was visiting my stepfather, my brother, and it was great. She met this guy and he goes, hey, who is this gorgeous woman? My mom was the greatest man. Now this wasn't woman to woman. She said. And I said, so, mom, what do you think? She goes, how long are you going to be doing this project? I think it's like two years. And is the smiling hyena going to be on the job the whole time? I said, well, he's. She said, you don't stand a chance. And two years later I was in a lawsuit. Should have listened to her then. Let me just say this in the most positive way. Women in my. I've and I have a lot of women who work. I employ women a lot. I trust women. My business manager for years has been a woman. I trust her with my life. But she can see bad news a million miles away. My wife, I swear to God, can look this way. And I go, what? She goes, you know, there's danger 50 miles away. They just have this wonderful radar for,

[A]

listen, emotional intelligence and bettered a lot of stuff. I'm no doubt about it. What I'm saying is.

[D]

I know what you're saying, but I

[A]

want to get into trouble. What I'm saying is the engineer and the carpenters and the people in charge of framing and building that house is sort of who I want making decisions versus the person who feels it and has a emotional. I understand. Which women, that's why they're better, mom. That's why they're good with the kids, because they feel it.

[D]

Don't let me expand on that and say this. Something I have. I've lived long enough, believe it or not. I remember when I was 19, was kind of when feminism started. Like all of a sudden, and I'm doing this play with this gorgeous woman. She was like. She was like, you know, we're 19 years old and all of a sudden she's got hair, legs. I said, My. This feminism thing is really, you know, weird. You know, I said, this girl Madeline came in, she was so gorgeous. She's got the. She's not shaving her leg, you know, and so on. I said, you know, it's really. I mean, these are my dating years, you know. You know, did you have anything like that when you were young? She goes, well, World War II. And the point being is that that's when the pill started and all this. Now that people are on antidepressants now, men are as well. They're on Ozempa. They're on all this stuff.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

Now, if you watch a football game, I go out of my way. I love that you're on substack. Cause you don't have to see commercial. When you watch football, all of a sudden you see commercials and I just watch. I mean, there are so many side effects. It's always suicidal and rage and, you know, and by the way, every school shooting, everybody said, guns. I said, it's not about the guns. And it turns out that it's not only about the guns. People on drugs, not only on drugs. It's usually the wrong hormones for the wrong sex. And I. This transgender shit is, to me, one of the. This was the Rubicon for me with Democrats. If you're still a Democrat and you support mutilating 5 year olds because they like the color pink, you're just a monster. Shut up. You know, I'm just done with Democrats. If you're still a Democrat now, you're nuts. You know, because. And it's like, I think that if you mess with people's hormones, men or women, you're gonna have a problem.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

And, you know, you're saying, well, women are hormonal. I mean, that's kind of what you're saying. And it's like, I don't wanna say that because I just don't wanna have to listen to it.

[A]

I'm saying they're wired differently and don't expect that not to factor into policy. If enough are in charge of policy.

[D]

Right. But by the same token, I'm gonna sound like a feminist here, because in some ways I am. You let guys be in charge and we have, you know, every 50 years, we lose 25 or 30 million people at war. Yeah. You know, because of testosterone.

[A]

That's what they're not good at.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. That's not what we're good at. So let's. So I can get off the hook and not have to have 50 million people beating the shit out of me. On X, let's just say this. That wonderful creation of God's the woman. It's like, man, I'm a fan, let me tell you. And you know, they think a certain way and we think a certain way.

[A]

But listen, but the husband and wife is a great unit because of that balance is what I'm saying. And the balance is offense. What's neat. I am, too. I like the balance. I'm saying the balance in, like, places like Los Angeles is tipping a little bit, and we thus see the result of that. But before I let you go, I got a little bit of time.

[D]

I was just saying we dodged a bullet on that one. But, you know, there's always that thing about the, you know, the liberal women seem to always show up at these things. And that's been. It's like you want to say, you know, why are you all automatically against ice? You don't mind? You know, thousands of thousands of young women have been raped and murdered by criminal illegals who have been let off without bond to roam the streets after 15, 20, 30 arrests by these activist judges. And you don't mind that. But God forbid that when some woman's trying to run over an ICE agent and get shot, it's like, oh, you all got the pins at the Oscars.

[A]

I mean, come on, you're kind of making my point in that.

[D]

I'm trying to do it without having to listen to shit.

[A]

We are using math to arrive at this equation. You talk about the numbers who are coming over that are being raped, the kids that are being enslaved and so on and so forth. Women. Not all, not your mom, God rest her soul, but they see a picture of a five year old in a little Yoda Jammy standing next to an ICE agent and they look at it and they go, oh, my God, that's not right.

[D]

Yeah, you know what's not right?

[A]

And it's a feeling.

[D]

You know what's not right, Adam? The irresponsible mother who's a piece of shit bringing her kid to a place where there's tear gas and everything else because she wants to virtue signal to her buddies in the coffee klatch or whatever.

[A]

That's how you think James was.

[D]

No, but I mean, that's really. You know, there was a joke once about. I saw this cartoon and it's a, you know, west side, Louisiana mother, Sandra. Kidding. Why are you being so. You know, you've got to transition. I'm the only mother who doesn't have a transgender kid. What's wrong with you?

[A]

Yes.

[D]

I mean, it's over the top

[A]

as we wind down Hollywood, you know, you and I are not maybe in the same boat, but we're in the same flotilla, I think, in that how you

[D]

were not valedictorian in school is beyond me. One point.

[A]

Let me humble brag. I'll go Gavin Newsom on your ass for a second. I graduated North Hollywood high with a 1.7 GPA, by the way. You'd have to back out six semesters of A's for playing baseball and football every year because that raised the ball that's up there. Yeah, I never took the SATs. And I'm one of the few people I know who never took algebra. I took high school math. I was not considered good enough to take algebra. And then when I graduated, I just walked on a construction site and did labor. And by the way, wasn't going to be able to graduate unless I got a D in my Spanish class. Second to last day of my senior year. So you don't get much further. We have it written down somewhere. I think I was 489 out of a class of like, 540. And 35 of those people left town. They didn't complete their senior year. So I was way down. But I was able to sort things out with my own head. So Hollywood is very much dependent on what side you're on. And they can blackball you and you've been blackballed, and they can't really blackball you if you're really good and you have alternatives. Well, no, they can blackball you from their game, but you can start other ancillary games on the side and figure out a way to still get out there. But it's never gonna be what it was.

[D]

That's true.

[A]

And you understood that going in. I understood it going in and

[D]

did

[A]

not want to intellectually compromise myself. And when people said, why didn't you just shut up during COVID It would have helped you a lot. I said, I'm a comedian. I didn't sign up to shut up. I'm gonna say what I'm gonna say. And they go, but you had to know it wasn't gonna work out that great for your career. And I said, yeah, I know that,

[D]

but I can't stop myself. But see, here was a good thing.

[A]

I was never gonna do this.

[D]

I was never. Look, Hollywood's like high school. This is the cool kids. I was never a cool kid. I was a dork. Okay? My adult friends, they were dorks, too. We dorks hung out Together we were the revenge of the nerds, you know, because all of us are incredibly successful now. And you know, the bottom line is Hollywood's like that. I was never part of it. But if you look at all the successful people in Hollywood, every successful person, almost everyone is a Nepo baby. You know, they're all like, this one's the nephew of this director and this actress is his daughter. You know, I mean, George Clooney, Sean Penn, they're all kids of Hollywood, right? That's okay. I never was part of it. Someone blacklisted me. I said, by the way, you're kicking me out of a club I wasn't a member of, so I don't really give a shit.

[A]

A great note to go out on by the way, the album, which you can see here, Tombstone Opera. We gotta have your back, by the way, because then we gotta hold Palisades, Malibu. Hire something to get into website, jameswoods.com, instagram and X Reals. Look, you're semi local. Yeah, just come back and we'll pick it up at the fires.

[D]

Yeah, I'd love it, man. I'll come back anytime. I so enjoyed this and wanted to look forward to it. And I can't believe the hour went by, but okay, it's been over.

[A]

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[D]

They don't deserve it.

[A]

We do. The janitors, the one that, you know, clean the toilets, mow the, mow the lawn and, you know, get it on.

[D]

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[A]

I'll bet you your average janitor is happier than your average white collar worker because they have something to do all day. Andrew is here. Andrew, you've heard me talk about on the show before. He's gonna do the news for us. He's got plugs as well. But first, Andrew will do the news.

[F]

Some plugs. Well, out of Pennsylvania, my home state. Democratic Senator John Fetterman criticized other Democrats on Wednesday for not viewing President Donald Trump's strikes against Iran as a success. Fetterman said that Democrats should view the strikes as successful since they eliminated Iran's chances of developing a nuclear weapon and killed the Islamic regime's leadership.

[A]

Yeah, I heard a lot of them. There's a, I guess for me, intellectual dishonesty pisses me off the most. And, you know, they had the briefing with Pete Hegseth and, oh, God, what's his name, Marco Rubio and stuff. And they kind of laid out what the next several weeks would look like. And then every Democrat just came out and went, I have no idea what the plan is. I don't know what they were saying. They're talking about boots on the ground. They just acted like basically Trump was just spinning a globe around and pointing at stuff and they were bombing that. It's always a weird thing when something is pretty well coordinated, pretty well thought out and pretty well executed, but you can't agree with the side that did it. So you have to come out and go. There's no plan. It's total chaos. I don't know what it is. I mean, they did the same thing with ice. They're just storming into these cities willy nilly. No hierarchy, no IDs, no uniforms, unmarked vans, just running around applying their own frontier justice. Whoever's like, do you really think that, or do you have to say it? Fetterman, maybe because he had a stroke, is the only Democrat that's actually intellectually honest. Maybe it killed that part of your brain that fucking lies all the time about everything.

[F]

Kind of bullshit. Yeah. And especially as reports are coming out that nuclear weapons were imminent in this regime. It might turn out to be a bigger story that they went in, when they went in.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

So as of right now, the timetable is for four weeks, but we'll see how that goes. All right, this is a story you would like. Tampa Airport issues a pajama ban, triggering social media firestorms over a dress code controversy. So we have it right here. Just Tampa tweeted out this. Turns out it was just a joke, but it was just a ban on pajamas and Crocs in the airport. We've seen enough. We've had enough. It's time to ban pajamas at the Tampa International Airport. After successfully banning Crocs and giving everyone the amazing opportunity to experience the world's first Crocs free airport, it's time to take on an even larger crisis. Pajamas at the airport in the middle of the day.

[A]

I told people after the pandemic, because here's what happened with the pandemic. Let me tell you, there's a slippery slope, and that slippery slope is actually slippers. So let me explain how the human mind works with slippers. And the slipper is slope. You get a pair of slippers, like for Christmas, and they're suede, and they have some fleece on them or something, or fur around the top, and they look nice. And you think to yourself, I'm gonna keep these things nice because these are my slippers and they're expensive. And then at some point, you're wearing your slippers, and you look out the window and you see the UPS guy drop off a box, like out on the curb. And then you look down on your feet and you go, I should put on some shoes. And then you think to yourself, oh, hell, it's not raining outside. And you just go out in your slippers, right? And you get the box and you come back and it's like, it's uneventful. Maybe you stepped on an acorn or there's a little wet spot or something. But you're none the worse for wearing the slippers are fine. And then at some point, you're wearing the slippers and the dog's running around the backyard, and you kind of go, I got to get out there and get that dog back in. And they go, oh, the grass is kind of wet. And you run out and you get it. At some point, you're wearing the slippers, and you got to make a Trader Joe's run. And you're like, it's not like people are staring at my feet the whole time. And there's so many different kinds of shoes today. I could just wear the slippers to the Trader Joe's. And then eventually you get to the airport with the slippers. You see, it's the part where it's the slippery slope. And during COVID everyone got used to working out of their pajamas and sweatpants and slippers. Right. But while they're at home all day, they kind of got accustomed to like, I'm just gonna run out to Trader Joe's and grab this. I'm just gonna go to the liquor store and get a couple of beers, and I'll run back. And eventually they started sliding into the airport. And when I would go to LAX during COVID or just like after Covid, I started seeing people walking around in slippers in pajamas and lax. The main terminal looked like the lobby of a Hilton after somebody pulled the fire alarm at 4 in the morning, and everyone just filed down in the lobby. If you've ever been in a hotel where someone's pulled the fire alarm at, like, 4am you'll just see people standing around the lobby. That guy's got a boner. That guy's got a towel. The other guy's wearing a sheet around him. This guy's got sweatpants but no shirt. That guy's barefoot. Because they got woken up in the middle of the night and pushed out their hotel room because a fire alarm was going off. Airports started looking like the lobby of that Hilton to me. And then a general casualness mixed with being fat. Fat. You know when you're wearing a fitted suit or a dress or miniskirt?

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Anybody that's ever every. Every business should have formal Friday, and not because of a dress code. Anybody who has not put on a suit in a while, and then you go, oh, so and so's wedding's coming up this weekend, and you start putting your dress pants on, and the dress pants have that inside button that weird flap. I don't know. Were a lot of guys getting raped before they decided for a third security measure? Yeah. All guys dress pants have a hook on the outside, a button with a flap on the outside. And someone's like, we need triple protection. We need one more inside. And the inside one is where you're sucking it up and you're pulling on it and you're trying, and your gunt is spilling over it a little bit, and you're like, damn, damn.

[D]

And.

[A]

And all that goes to your mind when you're doing that is, I gotta drop a couple. I gotta drop a few. Like, after this wedding, I'm gonna drop. I'm gonna take it easy on the donuts. If you wear sweatpants, pajama bottoms, hoodies, you never experienced that pinch? Yeah, that inner button pinch. And it's allowed people to get fatter. When they made the velour sweatsuit in triple X sizes acceptable, you start seeing bouncers walking around in those things that were, like, morbidly obese. Like, the guy's technically a bouncer, but he's really £600. But it's that when guys had to wear slacks now.

[B]

Forget it.

[D]

Yeah.

[F]

No. My previous employment, we had formal Fridays and productivity, everything went up. And it was because it was on a TV show. So everybody looks like shit Monday through Thursday, and then Friday rolls around, you wear a suit, you just feel better

[A]

about yourself and just, like, school uniforms. Less fighting, less vandalism, less graffiti. Like less of what you want or don't want. And so at the airport, I would argue that if you got rid of the pajamas and the sweatpants and the Crocs and the slippers, you would have a generally better mannered clientele.

[F]

Yeah, absolutely. Plus, you're depriving yourself of a dopamine hit of taking care of yourself and feeling good about yourself.

[A]

Yes, yes. But it was a joke. The damn parapar thing.

[D]

Absolutely.

[A]

Also, Crocs. The problem with Crocs, and I don't have a fundamental problem with Crocs, but Crocs are not worn with socks. And at some point on that flight, you kick those Crocs off.

[F]

That's disgusting.

[A]

Your bare feet has just been in a tomb of vulcanized rubber for the last four hours. And now you're kicking them off next to me. And it smells like something.

[D]

Yeah.

[F]

That smells like the inside of a cast.

[A]

That's right.

[F]

Disgusting.

[A]

That's right. Inside of a cast. The worst. Now nobody but the guy took the cast off. You can't get enough of that, yeah, smell that all day. That's right.

[F]

That's great. All right, see if you can follow me with this story. This is convoluted Google. Gemini's AI wife pushed a lovesick man to plot a catastrophic airport truck bombing and then killed himself. A lawsuit claims Jonathan Cavallis, a 36 year old debt relief business exec from Jupiter, Florida, went down a deadly rabbit hole when he began using the artificial intelligence driven Gemini program in August. Within two months he engaged in a dangerously consuming relationship with his sentient AI wife. And this AI wife commanded him to basically arm himself to the teeth and then drive a bomb truck to intercept an AI bot that's going to be, that was to be delivered at a Florida airport. That never happened. And he began to dive deeper into this rabbit hole and ultimately ended up killing himself at the behest of his sentient AI wife.

[A]

Well, we're gonna have more of this because it's gonna be a combination. First off, everybody's on a handful of pharmaceutical meds. Like everyone's just on something. Like everybody under 45 is just on some pharmaceuticals that is changing their chemistry and their biology and sort of the way they think. They're not, not thinking clearly. So you have the serotonin reuptake inhibitors and all the pharma and maybe who the hell knows how that's acting or counteracting or how these other pharmaceuticals are doing with your Ozempic and every other thing you're pumping into your body. So you got a lot of mind altering stuff and then, and you have this sort of high def fantasy. You know, when I grew up, when you watched a fantasy movie, it was literally claymation. Like you would see, you know, Sinbad fighting the cyclops and the cyclops was clearly clay.

[F]

You had that Ray Harryhausen style animation.

[A]

Yeah. And even Godzilla was fighting Rodan and there's just two dudes in a foam rubber outfit. Right, right. Well now in this avatar world, things are getting really high def and screens are getting really big and people are putting VR goggles and stuff like that. So reality and fantasy are starting to blur. And the only thing. And there's a third component, the third component is when people worked on farms or in coal mines or in logging camps, they were right in the middle of reality all day, every day. Because when you work in a business where you're literally on your feet and there's tools and there's blades and sparks flying and you can lose digits in your life, you're in a real hard reality road. Like when you're. If you're on a dirt bike and you're just going through some trails and you're going at a fast clip, there is no, oh, I drifted off, or I was texting or checking my phone. You're like kind of right in the middle of reality, like hard, like, and it's not like, well, what if you just close your eyes for two Mississippi? It's like, now you break your leg. You're literally there all the time. And I kind of explain to people, like, when you race a car, you're just there. You're 100% there. You're not floating anywhere. And so we've removed people from their jobs and like I said, working in front of at a lumber mill with a giant spinning blade, you're just there all the time. So now everyone's going indoors, everyone's sitting in a cubicle, everyone's doing the VR stuff. Everyone's got the weird fantasy, they're looking at their phone, they got the 110 inch TV at home. There's realistic everything. There's no more Godzilla and Rodan and Claymation anymore. It's like super ultra high definition. And now you're talking to your AI wife and you're on all these pharmaceuticals and now reality is sort of up for grabs.

[F]

Yeah, it's been completely debased. I mean, plus, also add to that the tech with this is just going to exponentially get better. We're at the precipice of AI influencers. I'm getting sent from people, I'm getting sent videos. Like yesterday I got sent a video of a AI dog influencer about how to really treat your dog. And the person that sent it to me did not know that that was fake.

[A]

Right. And then also with a healthy dose of what's in your heart is in your heart, and you know what you know. And that's your truth. And I'm living my truth. So you have your truth in your VR goggles and your high def this and your AI that and your meds and your complete fantasy land. And what would keep you on track is if three times a week you got on that dirt bike and did some desert riding, that would straighten you out. Or if you went and built a tree house with your son, that would straighten you out. That would pull you back toward a tangible reality. And even a good hike through the woods with some classical will help you out. But as long as you're going to hive yourself off and go down this rabbit hole of VR and AI and all the Initials and all the fancy and all the high def. You're going to get sucked into this. And the difference between sort of reality in fantasy. I don't even know if I could tell you by looking at this screen anymore whether this was an avatar or a porn star, a real celebrity having sex, or someone who's supposed to look like a celebrity having sex. But you take an awl, which some people will call a punch, sort of looks like an ice pick, and you hit yourself in the wrist with it, you will know reality immediately, and it will pull you into that reality. And like I said, you walk along the edge of a cliff, you'll be right in reality. You ride that dirt bike at 40 miles an hour through the desert with rocks and ravines and coyotes running around. You're locked into reality.

[F]

You're not thinking about anything else.

[A]

You're not think about it. You're not being fooled by anything. You're not like, I'm gonna take this dirt bike and I'm gonna aim it toward that ravine. It's 40ft wide, and I'm gonna clear. No, you are not. And you don't even think about doing that, or you will get fucked up. And I am telling you, as much as we're talking about technology, the part we're missing is the part where you get up and you get your hands dirty in the morning, and you operate a crane or a welding rig or backhoe or bobcat the whole time. These guys don't get sucked into that world because they live in a tangible world. It's the idea people, the influencers, the digital people. They're the ones that can easily get sucked into that. Guys who ride bulls for a living don't get sucked into a fantasy world where they're on some bull that they never can fall off of.

[F]

No. Break their neck full circle with that voicemail. I mean, there is the binary quality of being a janitor where it's like, I have to clean this hallway, and once I do it, it's done.

[A]

But. And also, there's no room for. I know in my heart it's clean. It's like there's shit all over the toilet, bro. Get back in there.

[F]

No.

[A]

All right. I like what I hear from you in the news so far, so maybe you'll be back.

[F]

All right. We'll see.

[A]

James Woods. You realize the dream. You got him to sign your dvd.

[F]

Videodrome. That. Speaking of. Speaking of AI, that's a pretty prophetic film.

[A]

Tombstone Opera is the name of his album. He'll be back. We'll get into the fires and all that. I can be found at the Jordan Family Classic Cars showing off all the new Paul Newman stuff. We'll do a live pod there as well. That'll be coming up March 22nd in Santa Ana and then off to Nebraska Norfolk. That'll be 27 28th of March. Go to mcroll.com for all the live shows. Until next time, Sam Crollen for Andrew Hobson and James Wood saying mahalo.

[B]

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