Jefferson Starship’s David Freiberg

Summary

Adam Carolla Show: Episode Featuring Jefferson Starship’s David Freiberg Release Date: January 29, 2025

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of The Adam Carolla Show, host Adam Carolla welcomes David Freiberg, a pivotal figure from Jefferson Starship. David, who transitioned from Jefferson Airplane to Jefferson Starship, brings a wealth of musical experience and candid insights to the conversation.

Jefferson Starship and Musical Legacy

00:00 - 07:10

Adam opens the discussion by praising David Freiberg’s contribution to Jefferson Starship, particularly highlighting the song “Jane.” He mentions, “I got a lot of complaining to do and we'll do that right after this” (00:00), setting the stage for a deep dive into the band’s music and legacy.

Critique of “We Built This City”

05:42 - 07:35

The conversation shifts to the infamous track “We Built This City,” which often appears on worst songs lists. Adam states, “We Built this City. It’s not my favorite Jefferson Airplane song, but it does not crack the top 1000 horrible songs that get played constantly” (05:42). David explains his departure from the band due to creative differences, noting, “the only real thing on that song were the vocals and the guitar. I was useless” (06:56), emphasizing his commitment to organic musical expression.

Guest Background and Musical Journey

57:17 - 78:35

David Freiberg shares his rich history in music, from his early days with Quicksilver Messenger Service to his involvement with Jefferson Airplane and Jefferson Starship. He reminisces, “First I was in jail for that bust when they formed Jefferson Airplane” (63:28), providing listeners with a glimpse into the challenges and triumphs of his career. The duo discusses notable tracks and the evolution of the band’s sound, with David highlighting his role in creating harmonies and arrangements.

Lizzo’s Weight Loss and Societal Standards

19:22 - 21:55

Adam critiques public figures like Lizzo who announce significant weight loss, questioning societal perceptions of body image. He remarks, “But why are you so happy when you dumped 125lbs?” (41:33), sparking a debate on the balance between celebrating personal health achievements and avoiding fat-shaming. Dawson adds, “She could have done it with White what I do with Casey and the Sunshine Band songs” (20:56), illustrating differing viewpoints on body positivity and societal expectations.

Billy Jack Movie and Elizabeth Warren’s Native American Claims

24:39 - 35:17

The conversation takes a nostalgic turn as Adam recalls watching the 1974 film Billy Jack. He draws parallels between the movie’s protagonist and modern political figures like Elizabeth Warren, suggesting, “Billy Jack pretended to be Indian” (30:01) and questioning the authenticity of Warren’s heritage claims. David concurs, emphasizing the cultural appropriation themes present in both the film and contemporary politics.

Race, Immigration, and Societal Commentary

78:37 - 103:06

Adam delves into contentious topics such as race relations and immigration policies. He discusses a lawsuit against Lyft for denying service based on passenger size, highlighting Michigan’s unique anti-discrimination laws. Adam states, “So did you get out right before Starship?” (57:29) and later critiques societal infrastructure, “We built this city on fat and roll” (80:20), reflecting on how societal norms often neglect individual differences.

Eco-Protests and Public Performances

99:26 - 103:31

Towards the episode’s end, Adam recounts an incident where Sigourney Weaver’s live performance was disrupted by eco-protesters using confetti cannons. He humorously ties this to broader environmental movements, stating, “We don't care about race anymore” (88:00) and sarcastically remarks on the persistence of eco-activism despite public backlash.

Conclusion

105:46 - 107:15

Wrapping up, Adam summarizes the episode’s key points, emphasizing the enduring legacy of Jefferson Starship and the complex interplay between music, societal norms, and personal identity. David Freiberg expresses gratitude for the conversation, saying, “You as a musician. You as a musician” (77:14), and Adam encourages listeners to support upcoming tours, “JeffersonStarship.com is where we go” (77:52).

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Notable Quotes

• Adam Carolla (05:42): “We Built this City. It’s not my favorite Jefferson Airplane song, but it does not crack the top 1000 horrible songs that get played constantly.”

• David Freiberg (06:56): “The only real thing on that song were the vocals and the guitar. I was useless.”

• Adam Carolla (41:33): “But why are you so happy when you dumped 125lbs?”

• David Freiberg (63:28): “First I was in jail for that bust when they formed Jefferson Airplane.”

• Adam Carolla (30:01): “Billy Jack pretended to be Indian.”

• Adam Carolla (78:37): “So did you get out right before Starship?”

• Adam Carolla (88:00): “We don't care about race anymore.”

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Final Thoughts

This episode of The Adam Carolla Show offers a multifaceted discussion blending music history with sharp social commentary. David Freiberg’s firsthand experiences with Jefferson Starship provide invaluable insights, while Adam’s candid critiques of contemporary issues stimulate thoughtful dialogue. Whether you’re a fan of classic rock or keen on societal debates, this episode delivers a compelling listen.

Transcript

[Adam Carolla]

In this episode, Mayhem's doing news. David Freeberg from Jefferson, right at the end of Airplane and then right into Starship was there for all that stuff, wrote a lot of those songs. He's going to join us as well. I got a lot of complaining to do and we'll do that right after this.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

From Corolla One studios in Glendale, California, this is the Adam Carolla Show. Adam's guest today from Jefferson Starship, musician David Freeberg. Plus the news and trending topics with Jason Mayhem Miller, now looking forward to doing some gigs in Naples, overlooking the majestic Gulf of America. Adam Carolla.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, get it on, Captain get on the church you're gonna mandate you get it on. Oh, David Freeberg. I'm happy as I look down on my thing, who co wrote one of my favorite Jefferson Starship songs, which is Jane, which is just a. I think they're. I'm gonna go with the rock in a song. Kicks. Kicks in good. Mayhem doesn't know this one yet. I might enter the ring to this shit.

[Dawson]

I think so.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

This is definitely a good entrance song.

[Adam Carolla]

It's a good entrance song, right?

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

It's a fun one to front sell too.

[Dawson]

Oh yeah, I know the song of.

[Adam Carolla]

Can'T go wrong with this.

[Dawson]

You're right.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, you got the pee.

[Dawson]

For me.

[Adam Carolla]

Just don't kiss that you dumped your dope Here comes Ah, such a good song. So we'll talk David about that. Also the interesting Grace Slick who is always associated with Jefferson Airplane and then became Jefferson's Starship. I was like, what the hell happened to Grace Slick? She was huge. And then I haven't seen her around in 30 years, maybe more. And she had a statement that Joe read off the air. And I'll give you a second to find it because I didn't really prep Joe, but kind of summed it up like, no one wants to see your old ass up on stage. Although David is pretty old, I also think it's women more than men. I mean, the Stones are older than shit. The who's older than shit and they can still play and who cares? I think the women, especially when they got by on being sexy when they were younger. Grace Slick, still alive, just said no. And then also all rock and rollers over the age of 50 look stupid and should retire. In fairness, it's difficult to disagree with Slick here. Watching Pete Townsend perform. My generation as a 78 year old is frankly ridiculous and a depressing affair. There's something about old people singing rock and roll lyrics that bothers me. It Just doesn't match. Well, it's true. You're talking about young and rebelling against a man and getting on your scooter and going into town and fighting. And a girl you're interested in at the end of the bar and your prostate's exploding and your grandkids are in their 30s, right?

[Dawson]

Yeah, but you get discounted IHOP balances.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, if they write current stuff about eating at 5, discounts at IHOP, eating free on your birthday, stuff like that. And discounts at the theater, kissing your grandchildren. That's right.

[Joe]

Do you want to know the one band in particular that inspired this quote?

[Adam Carolla]

Hmm?

[Joe]

She said, I saw a film of Fleetwood Mac doing something, and I was okay as long as I don't look. I didn't look at them. I couldn't look at them. They sounded great. And if I looked away, I imagine young people singing. I was okay with it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I think she's being a little sexist. Cause there's two women in Fleetwood Mac, and I think. I think that's where the beef starts. Because they see the aging. All right, so we'll talk about that. The other thing. I don't know if you've heard this, Dawson, but they have a list of worst songs ever.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

I think I know what you're getting at.

[Adam Carolla]

They always put We Built this City on there. And I first feel like Whole Notes has four songs that are worse than that song that get played all the time and never counted. The Eagles have seven songs that are worse than that. Paul Abdul has 11 songs that are worse than We Built the Sea, but it somehow made it onto some list and it'll never leave. And the other song that used to be on that list is MacArthur park by Richard Burton. Or is it Richard Burton, Richard Harrison, MacArthur Park. It's a fucking favorite song of all time. You've taken my favorite song of all time and put it on the shit.

[Dawson]

List upon your family with a weird wavelength bass. I don't get it. I care.

[Adam Carolla]

We Built this City. It's not my favorite Jefferson Airplane song, but it does. It does not crack the top 1000 horrible songs that get played constantly. It's. No, it's not bad. Nothing's as bad as Man Eater. So why is this on this list?

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

You know, this. This band was an example of Cancel Culture before Cancel Culture existed because of this song. And I think I remember it was, like, national news that other bands. Other bands were pissed at Starship. Not Jefferson Starship. This is Starship now. They were pissed at them because they Thought that starship was saying we built this city instead of we built this city on rock and roll. They were saying they were taking credit for it and that was the big huzzah.

[Dawson]

I get it.

[Adam Carolla]

I'll find. File this under tool tune. I love this. Like if it comes on the radio, I'll. I'll listen to it. It shouldn't be on. It shouldn't be on anyone's list of worst songs ever.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Oh, there's so many worst songs.

[Dawson]

A happy tune.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

This is San Francisco. Like I said. Marconi plays the Mamba. You know, this is a very San Franciscan centric song.

[Adam Carolla]

I. I totally agree.

[Dawson]

I.

[Adam Carolla]

It. It makes me. But it is on those lists, right? Absolutely.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Every single one.

[Adam Carolla]

And it just shows what lemmings people are.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, man.

[Joe]

I'll have to talk to Freeberg about this song. This is essentially the reason he left the band.

[Adam Carolla]

Whoa.

[Joe]

Which is on your bio.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Wow.

[Joe]

And he went on to say the only real thing on that song were the vocals and the guitar. I was useless. So I left it completely turned away from anything organic. And it wasn't really what I did.

[Dawson]

What? I know that.

[Adam Carolla]

Still no man either.

[Dawson]

Yeah, it's a weird one off. Sort of like a kitschy type, you.

[Adam Carolla]

Know what I mean?

[Dawson]

It's like, oh, we gotta make a song for a toy commercial. Lego, get after it. We built this city.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, him saying the only thing real on it were the voices and the guitar. I mean, that. That's halfway home. I mean, a lot more than Paul Abdul does, right?

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

I think he was probably saying there was a lot of synth.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I get it. All right. Speaking of music, I gotta say. So I was heading down to Roseanne Barr's place today, right.

[Dawson]

I heard.

[Adam Carolla]

I'll tell you, they say never meet your heroes. I would say never, never check out their home. Because I got to tell you, I walked into Roseanne Barr's home and Mike Tyson years ago, disappointed. There's no universe where Adam Carolla should have a nicer house than Roseanne Barr and. Or Mike Tyson. That universe doesn't exist. You understand? When Mike Tyson and Roseanne Barr came onto the scene, I was, you know, apartment three, roommates, futon. I didn't even eat top ramen. I did bottom ramen. I was so poor making 11 bucks an hour driving a pickup truck. And Mike Tyson was Mike Tyson in, you know, 1989. Whatever. Roseanne Barr is the highest paid person on TV. There's like million dollars an episode. And by the way, people do that thing where they go Million dollars an episode. That was back in the day. Yeah, Million dollar episode. Million dollars an episode when you could buy a nice ass house in studio city for 275 grand. That, that house, that 2, 275 house. Now that's 2, 4. Yeah, that's 2, 4. It was 275 and she was making a million episode. I mean, that's a kind of fucking buku bucks. Not impressed by the house, but I was.

[Dawson]

Guess you're not getting invited back anytime soon.

[Adam Carolla]

No, no, we had a good. We had a good conversation. Had a good conversation with her. Had a good conversation with her hunt with. With her son. You know, she made fun of her own home a little bit. Tyson felt the same way.

[Dawson]

Oh, so you're on the show then?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I'm on her show.

[Dawson]

Oh, great.

[Adam Carolla]

She'll come back on this show and we'll keep the conversation going and you tell me when it loads up. But when we're on the way there, I had Andrew who's videoing me for some extra content for substack. Right. Have I got that right? Substance content. And we're just driving along the car and I said, look, let's do a thing. I'm gonna put it on the 70 station and then Dawson, you can play along. Everyone can play along at home. And then what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna put on. I'm gonna turn the radio all the way down and then I'm gonna put on the 70 station and then I'm just gonna turn it up and turn it down real fast. When people go, well, you listen to the song for two seconds. Not two seconds, it'll be under one second. And we'll see if I can guess the song by just knob up, knob down. So it's on the 70 station with zero volume. Crank it to 20 as fast as I get. Fast as I do. Quarter turn this way. I'll go quarter turn back. I'll see if we can guess the song.

[Dawson]

Beat Shazam.

[Adam Carolla]

All right. Beat shazam. You ready? Are you filming me?

[Dawson]

I am filming you.

[Adam Carolla]

We're heading to Roseanne Barr's home, but we have some time in the car. And so what I'm going to do is I'm going to put it on the 70s channel on SiriusXM and I'm going to turn the volume up for one second and then I'm going to turn the volume down and I'm going to name the song. All right, you ready?

[Joe]

Let's do it.

[Adam Carolla]

Here we go. Casing the sunshine bit. That didn't work, was it? Oh, my God. No one's ever gonna beat that. I just want. Check the tape.

[Dawson]

Check the tape.

[Adam Carolla]

Run it back.

[Dawson]

I don't hear anything.

[Adam Carolla]

No one's ever gonna beat that. And we're wearing headphones now. This is in a suv. Bop, bop. I do not own a Casing the Sunshine Band record. Dawson has been with me for 15, 20 years. He's never heard me say anything about Casey and the Sunshine Band, have I?

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

I'll just agree with you. I've heard. We've talked about Casey and the Sunshine Band, but. But I. I could barely even hear that.

[Adam Carolla]

I could barely hear it either. No, I'm not saying I don't know what Casey the Sunshine Band is. I don't have any records. And we've never had a discussion got. We've never broken down their song.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

I was actually, in listening to that. I was waiting for you to turn it up again and be like, well, I didn't get enough time. Nailed it.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, one more time. Just listen. I see you couldn't even hear any beats of the song. So this is going to get to an interesting subject. Here it is. You ready?

[Joe]

Let's do it.

[Adam Carolla]

Here we go. That's just bread casing the thumb. Sunshine bit. Okay, that didn't work. Oh, my God.

[Dawson]

Looks pretty good.

[Adam Carolla]

I just went like, check the tape.

[Dawson]

Check the tape.

[Adam Carolla]

I didn't even hear anything. Wow. I knew I was good, but I didn't know I was that good. All right. That's the fastest I've ever done it. But it's an obscure song, too. But I mean, it's not obscure, but I don't listen to Casey and the Sunshine Band. But now here's the question. What happened? In my brain, I did not hear a recognizable song. I heard zip.

[Dawson]

Zip.

[Adam Carolla]

I did not hear a melody or a beat or a chorus or. There was nothing. You guys all heard it. You didn't hear anything. You just heard zip Zip. Right. But something in my brain went to Casey in the Sunshine Band. Even though if you said to me, name 50 bands from the 70s, I might not mention Casey and the Sunshine Band, it's not at top of my list. So something in my brain felt their fingerprint their stamp. So every band has a sound.

[Dawson]

It's a game. There's like a game show with Jamie Foxx that surrounds this exact phenomenon. Yes, It's a thing.

[Adam Carolla]

She's still alive. Or sad. Is that a doppelganger robot?

[Dawson]

You know, I don't Know, I get.

[Adam Carolla]

I get there's a game, and I get when people go, you go, my Sharona. Sure. But you don't get. Duh. No, that's just one note. But the point is, is my brain didn't recognize a song. This is not. I'm not. Let's. Let's put my brilliance aside for a second. Let's just.

[Dawson]

Let's do it.

[Adam Carolla]

I know it's difficult, but let's see if we can just shelf my brilliance for a second. That was more animal than it was human. I wasn't recognizing beats or chords or lyrics or. Course, I recognized a footprint.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Because a print of a band's sound.

[Dawson]

Pattern recognition is a cornerstone of the human condition. If you don't recognize the pattern of a tiger's foot, you're gonna get eight.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

You're on the right track. I believe. Mayhem, I think, in theory, I would say. I would liken it to that meme that has all of those words misspelled like e's or threes, and words are backwards and spelled backwards. And you can read clearly that if you can read this, it means your brain is working properly and you can. Da, da, da, da. I think, music wise, what would you say the over under is on how many times you've heard that fucking song?

[Adam Carolla]

I've heard that song hundreds of times. So what?

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

I. I would. I would theorize that your brain identified a sound frequency.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

In that song, and your mind put the rest of that song together in an instant, and you knew what it was.

[Adam Carolla]

I didn't know which Casey and the Sunshine Pants song it was. I kn. It sounded.

[Dawson]

It had all the hallmarks.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, it didn't have all the hallmarks because it was less than a second. So, like, it was just one more time. We'll play it again. But no, I'm just saying my brain and human brains operate some deeper level than we think we do, because that was me not recognizing the song. That was me knowing that Casey and the Sunshine Band had some sort of signature and some sort of footprint. And I. And it hit. By the way, when I said Casey and the Sunshine Band, I had no idea. I didn't go, yes. I was just like, yeah, yeah, that's all I got. All right, you ready?

[Joe]

Let's do it.

[Adam Carolla]

Here we go. Casing the sunshine. Oh, my God. All right. Anyway, I crushed the rest of them, but the rest of them, I got. I got some beats in there and some stuff. Now, listen, everybody. You know, if that's autistic or if that's being on the spectrum of Asperger's, then so be it. So be it. I just happen to recognize stuff.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

You want to see if you can name a Jefferson Starship song by just hearing that much.

[Adam Carolla]

It would have to be. It can't be a deep cut.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

I'll make it a hit.

[Adam Carolla]

All right.

[Dawson]

All right.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Ready?

[Adam Carolla]

Run away. I don't know.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

No, I'll give it to you again.

[Dawson]

I don't know.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I guess I. I guess I don't roll as deep on. I mean, I know this song.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

By the way, Mickey Thomas in starship is on the classic rock cruises I work.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yes.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

And me and my buddy Izzy, you know, we're standing on the deck watching Mickey Thomas and starship do this song. Now, we had to get somebody to do the gray slick parts, and we both agreed, and we ended up getting about 20 people with us waiting for this line. We all agreed that this woman will be judged on that one line.

[Dawson]

They say we're crazy.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

What do they know? And by the end of, we had all these people on the balcony. And as soon as she delivered that line, the entire balcony erupts in applause.

[Adam Carolla]

I gotta get on one of these cruises, man.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

It's so much fun.

[Adam Carolla]

All right. In other news, I was watching my TMZ last night and turned out that Lizzo met got down her goal weight. Now, I told this to Roseanne, and I told her, take it in the spirit in which it's intended. But a lot of people, men and women, they weigh 325 pounds, right? And it's like a woman is 5 5, and she goes, my goal weight is 190. And I'm like, that's a good goal weight, but you're still a fat ass to those of us who've never seen you before. Just behind you at the mall, we're looking at a 5 foot 4, 190 pound weight. We're looking at cruiser weight. That's 5 foot 4. As a female, like, you're still fat to us. So your goal weight is good. Now, I was saying this to Roseanne, you know, so I was, like, a little bit worried, you know, that she would take it in the wrong spirit. Yeah, but she said you got to have two goal weights because you can't. If you're a chick and you're 325, you can't make your goal weight 135. That's a bridge too far. You make your goal weight 185, then once you get there, you go for the 135. Right.

[Dawson]

Realistic.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Oh, Lizzo's 5'ten what do you think she was at peak weight?

[Dawson]

I'm talking 390. Oh, you're going that much 390 for sure.

[Adam Carolla]

That high?

[Dawson]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, weight.

[Dawson]

Yeah, I know.

[Adam Carolla]

She stands, you know, weight.

[Dawson]

I can one eye somebody usually, and get it pretty. Yeah. And I think she was right. She. I don't know if she ever admitted. Yeah, she didn't admit it. Yeah, she definitely didn't admit it, but Lizzo was definitely £390.

[Joe]

That's way too big.

[Dawson]

Yeah, that's way too big.

[Adam Carolla]

Dense.390.

[Dawson]

She had muscle under there.

[Adam Carolla]

Bigger in the fridge.

[Dawson]

She could double on you. Joe don't eat. Yeah, I believe it.

[Adam Carolla]

So you're saying you do with White what I do with Casey and the Sunshine Band songs. Exactly. You don't need much.

[Dawson]

Oh, yeah. With fighters, I can one eye you and tell if this guy's lying to me, if he's saying he's. Oh, I'm on weight. No, you're not.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, you can tell.

[Dawson]

I can tell.

[Adam Carolla]

390 seems.

[Dawson]

Nah, I'm just joking.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, is she 300? Is she 300?

[Dawson]

I think so. Yeah. It's gotta be 300.

[Adam Carolla]

She claims she was almost 300, so I'll go with 300. And now she started her diet. Anyway, she had a clip of her at her heaviest. She had a clip. This one, the one I wasn't thinking of, but she was talking, saying that she made her goal weight. I think we have that somewhere, but that brings up questions in my mind. Then we have. I don't know, was it TMZ last night? There's a goal weight or she was explaining that she made her goal weight. Joe, was that a clip we have?

[Joe]

No, sorry, I got that. The news was that she posted it on her Instagram story that she reached her goal weight, but let's see if we can find her talking about it.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah, that's a clip. TMZ saw it last night. Go ahead and find it. All right. I can keep moving forward while you look for that. Although it was on TMZ and she posted it, it's gotta just be there. I was in my favorite movie. Mayhem is Billy Jack.

[Dawson]

Oh, I thought it was Earthquake.

[Adam Carolla]

No. Yeah, well, Billy Jack was very, very depressing.

[Dawson]

I never seen it, nor have heard of it. This is the first time that you get to talk to me about this.

[Adam Carolla]

It was everything that was wrong with the seventies. It was everything that was bad about the seventies. Was in this movie in movie form, was in Billy Jack. And there's a kind of a monotonous, morose depressive voice that women had in the 70s that reminded me of my mom and that's why I hate it. But this is the scene in Billy Jack after Billy Jack's girlfriend gets raped by the riverside.

[Dawson]

Oh wow.

[Adam Carolla]

By Bernard. He's mean because he drives a Corvette.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

You mean Bernard Bernard?

[Dawson]

This is a heavy subject, man.

[Adam Carolla]

It's a movie one. The main antagonist is named Bernard, but Billy Jack calls him Bernard. And nobody on the set ever raises their fucking hand and go, his name is Bernard. It's a name. It's a normal name. Stop calling. And Billy Jack, Tom Laughlin is an Irish guy with blonde hair and blue eyes, but somehow he's American Indian cuz he wears a funky hat and moccasins and mispronounces the very American name Bernard. Bernard. Anyway, Bernard, AKA Bernard, just gets done raping Billy Jack's God. Did this scramble my sexuality. This is like I'm like nine. And she gets tied down, spread eagle, like with stakes in the ground. And Bernard has his way with him. And she's obviously depressed after this assault. And then one of her young female friends says, you gotta tell Billy Jack. Mixed martial arts guy before it was popular. You gotta tell Billy Jack. So Billy Jack can exact his revenge on either Bernard or Bernard, but they're the same guy. And then Billy Jack's girlfriend says in her super 70s Chris Carolla mom tone that nothing would ever change. So here it is and I'll connect it to something modern a second.

[Sigourney Weaver]

I pray Billy kills him.

[Adam Carolla]

He mustn't tell Billy, Cindy.

[Dawson]

Why not?

[Adam Carolla]

Because he will kill him.

[Sigourney Weaver]

Damn your pacifism.

[Adam Carolla]

That's seven exact. I'm not gonna let that sick animal get away with this. Bring it in, baby. Reel it in. We're not doing a play with it. Even if Billy kills him, him kills them all, it wouldn't change what's happened here today. It wouldn't take away any so hard. Aren't you sad you missed this one?

[Dawson]

I'm getting it right now. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

It'll just destroy a lot of innocent kids. That's the biggest 70s bummer of all time.

[David Freeberg]

I don't understand at all my non violence.

[Adam Carolla]

The kids. That's all I have left. Now I'm nine, watching this movie, going really couldn't. I'm gonna go home, watch Speed Racer. I'm pretty bummed out about now.

[Dawson]

Yeah, this is not my proudest turning the other cheek, but I'm putting in the spank bank.

[Adam Carolla]

Put in the spank bank. Good for you. Hey. I couldn't endure what happened here today. All right, so somehow what I have, I have a visceral me watch.

[Dawson]

That is so weird.

[Adam Carolla]

I have a visceral reaction to bummer chicks 70s speak. It bothers the shit out of me. It reminds me of my mom. And then I was watching TV the other day and Elizabeth Warren came on and was giving a bummer speech. And I was like, why do I hate Elizabeth Warren so much? Oh, Billy Jack pretended to be an Indian. Billy Jack, Tom Laughlin is a blue eyed white dude who somehow was Native American. In Billy Jack, I'm watching the movie, he pretended to be Indian and then his girlfriend bummed the shit out of me. But then it was always been in the back of my head. And then when I saw Elizabeth Warren giving one of her bummer speeches, I was like, that reminds me of Billy Jack. Billy Jack pretended. They make the ultimate power couple. Tom Loughlin and Elizabeth Warren both pretending to be Indians to try to make some money. By the way, that's what Billy Jack, that's what Tom Laughlin was doing, was pretending to be Indian. This pretending being Indian shit, it goes back. Yeah, you could hammer checks pretending to be Indian back in the day. Just like Elizabeth Warren tried it now. But I'll play her clip. If you close your eyes, you'll hear Billy Jack, bummer chick 70s.

[Sigourney Weaver]

Did you see the New York Times headline? Republicans are now saying the quiet part out loud. They want cuts for grandma in the nursing home in order to fund massive tax giveaways for billionaires.

[Adam Carolla]

That's what they say.

[Sigourney Weaver]

President Trump has big plans for huge tax cuts for his rich as hell donors. You know, the big tech billionaires who had better seats at his inauguration than his own cabinet nomination. A massive tax bill like that is expensive. Extending Trump's tax scam alone would cost us $5 trillion. That's trillion with a T. So how do Republicans plan to pay for it? By slashing health care for kids, seniors and people with disabilities who rely on these programs to survive. It's robbing working families so the richest Americans can get even richer. How much more obvious can you get? Republicans don't care about making working people's lives easier. They don't want to cut working families a break. They are in this to make sure that their billionaire buddies and billionaire corporations can keep lining their own pockets all while working people struggle. I'm in the Senate to fight back.

[Adam Carolla]

Should not let it happen.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Damn your pacifism.

[Adam Carolla]

Your billionaire buddies. Bernard, Bernard, Bernard. I never thought of the fact that they always remind me of Elizabeth Warren. And then I realized they both famously pretended to be Indians. Billy Jack. I don't know if you read the Rundown Joe. Billy Jackson. I know he lived with the Indians and I know he practiced their rituals, but I don't know if he claimed to be an Indian or he just adapted the Persona. He got the hat, he got the moccasins. You'd love it. Because this is early kung fu action.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And this is white dude kung fu action.

[Dawson]

I'm into it.

[Adam Carolla]

70S white dude Kung fu action. And you know he meant business because he'd slip his moccasins off, fought like you barefoot. Fuck barefoot.

[Dawson]

Got to take him off.

[Adam Carolla]

He was. Billy Jack, a mixed race Navajo, is a Green Beret veteran of Vietnam and a Hopkido master. You know the Hopkito?

[Dawson]

I know a couple of those.

[Adam Carolla]

What I figured out from Hopkido is you kick racist in slow motion.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Is that part of the discipline? It is slow motion racist ass kicking. That's what I learned from Hopkito. Billy Jack. Yeah. A lot of front kicks.

[Dawson]

A lot of front kicks. Yeah. A lot of sort of war marches.

[Adam Carolla]

Goose stepping. So in the movie, he plays a mixed race Navajo. His name is Tom Laughlin. Does that sound like a part Iroquois? Tom Laughlin. First off, is there a wider name? Maybe Kelsey Grammer. Is there a wider name than Tom Laughlin? What is the real Tom Laughlin? He's Irish or something, right? I mean, anyway, he did the cultural appropriation way before Liz Warren did it, I think. Although maybe Liz Warren is early 70s.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I mean, all right, I'm putting some ideas together here in real time.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Liz Warren is in her early 70s and she's like applying for grants and trying to get into college and this, that and the other. And that's when she starts making up the American Indian thing, right?

[Dawson]

Mm. Oh, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Billy Jack comes out in the early 70s. Yeah.

[Dawson]

She's riding that wave.

[Adam Carolla]

I wonder if like a 21 year old Liz Warren is like, you know what? Before I go and apply to Harvard, I'm just gonna check out the local cinema. And then she's sitting there watching Billy Jack pretending to be an Indian, right?

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And she's just like sitting there going, seems to be working for Tom Loveland.

[Dawson]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

He's fucking white as a driven snow and he's getting all kinds of accolades. What if I pretend to be Native American?

[Dawson]

And what if I Pick up some of this whininess from this lady.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh yeah, I'll talk to my constituency like I was just raped by the river. By Bernard Laughlin wrote the original screenplay from the film Billy Jack. Sorry. For the film Billy Jack in 1954. He wrote it after witnessing the treatment of Native Americans in his wife's hometown of South Dakota. Winner.

[Dawson]

It was a passion project.

[Adam Carolla]

South Dakota. But Tom Loughlin was never anything. So here's the question, Dawson. What year did Billy Jack come out? And what year did Liz Warren come out and declare she was in it? Because it could have been around the.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Same time Liz Warren got into Harvard around 1992. But in the late 70s she taught law at several American universities.

[Adam Carolla]

She could have got inspired by Bill Rutgers.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

She was a lecturer at Rutgers from 77 to 78.

[Dawson]

There's an AMC theater right outside.

[Adam Carolla]

That's right. Showing midnight showings of Billy Jackson. You know that they didn't stop with Billy Jack.

[Dawson]

What? Their sequels, Dawson.

[Adam Carolla]

Billy Jack. Haha. The next installment, the third installment of Billy Jack. Oh, it was the IP then would have been 77. Billy Jack goes to Washington.

[Dawson]

Holy shit.

[Adam Carolla]

Holy shit. The same time she was applying at Rutgers. What year did Billy Jack go to Washington? This is what inspired her.

[Dawson]

She goes all the way to the top.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh my gosh.

[Joe]

1977.

[Adam Carolla]

So she went 77.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

There it is.

[Adam Carolla]

That's it.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Yep. Call Garrigus. I think we have Garrigus on the floor. This is evidence.

[Adam Carolla]

This is hard evidence.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

This is circumstantial evidence.

[Adam Carolla]

But it's evidence. The year that she applied as an Indian at Rutgers. Billy Jack Goes to Washington. A fake Indian goes to Washington.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

We need to find out if Elizabeth Warren is one of those crazy people who saves ticket stubs. 77 to ticket stub for Billy Jack Goes to Washington. We've got an opening shutdown.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, we'll take a break. We got some news. I got. Oh, we got our Lizzo thing. We got lots of stuff. We'll save the news. We'll take a break. We'll be right back after this. Hey, it's Adam Kroll from the Adam Kroll the Show. Betonline is the world's most trusted betting platform and your number one source for online betting. From the earliest odds to in game live betting. Betonline provides you with all the action and the ability to watch and bet on games as they happen. With the largest selection of odds on everything from football, NBA, college basketball as well. BetOnline has NHL, MMA and championship boxing. All your betting Needs in one place. Head to Betonline today to get in on the action with America's most trusted site for online wagering. So have some fun. Make these games and these events and these combat sports a little more interesting with Betonline. Betonline. The game starts here. Home Chef drowning in a sea of meal kit options. It's like a bad date and game show and all the contestants look the same. That's where Home Chef comes in. Fresh ingredients and Chef designed recipes delivered right to your doorstep. Over 30 options a week covering a variety of dietary needs. And the one I tried recently, which was great, which was urban crusted salmon with garlicky zucchini. That's right, it's garlicky. I don't know if they made that word up, but that's what it's called. And peppers. And it was real good. And you do save money as well. Save an average of 86 bucks per month on groceries. That's right, because go to the grocery store, man, you don't get out of there for under 300 bucks. These days, Home Chef even has a delicious kid friendly menu with 18 new options each week for picky eaters. It is approved. It is the best meal deal on the planet earth. Am I right, Dawson?

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[Adam Carolla]

Here's my thing about a litter box. Every day you. Because I've had one with a cat every day you look at it and you go, not yet. Right, Right. That's a mental illness. Yes. I'm not. It's not overflowing with. I'm not gonna waste my time with three pieces of sesame chicken. Right. I'm gonna wait till it's like that.

[David Freeberg]

Coin machine at the carnival.

[Dawson]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

Or if you just put one more dump in there, all topple over.

[David Freeberg]

I'm gonna wait till my cat has to cup his balls and back his.

[Adam Carolla]

Over the rim and just try to torpedo one into a nook and cranny of air.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Subscribe to Beat it out on [e-mail] substack now back to the Adam Corolla Show.

[Adam Carolla]

Jay is a funny dude. It gets all my references too. But I don't know if he'll get the Billy Jack. We'll have to hit. Hit him with that. Yeah. First I was a little discouraged. I was like, Billy Jack 71, Liz Warren 77. That's six years apart. But then I forgot they made a Billy Jack Part 2. And then the third is her, him going to Washington.

[Dawson]

So I missed the whole phenomenon.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, it's a big enough franchise that they needed three of them had no idea. They had no idea.

[Dawson]

Opened up a whole new world.

[Adam Carolla]

A new world? Yeah. You haven't lived until you've seen a middle aged woman get raped by a river. By Bernard. All right, so we have Lizzo. Lizzo Warren. This is her. Okay, Here she is. I'm not going to be considered thin by any means. I will still be considered morbidly obese on the BMI and little bros on the Internet are still gonna call me big backed. But I will be happy. And after a year of hard work, she is happy. Did she do Ozempic or did she talk about how she did it? She's been saying that she's been working out. Did she say what her goal was? She didn't say her goal, but she does noticeably look thinner than she did. She lost 16% of her body fat. Wow, that's a lot. And yet she still says she's still in the morbidly obese standard, all doctors tell you you're morbidly obese. I've never heard that in my life. It's always like, oh, you're a little underweight. Da, da, da.

[Dawson]

Oh, man, I want to strangle you.

[Adam Carolla]

Guess I'll have to eat another sleeve of thin mints. She weighs herself in a grocery store produce scale.

[David Freeberg]

Congrats, Lizzo.

[Adam Carolla]

Your hard work and dedication is very inspiring. Now I guess it's time to set new goals. All right, she's very proud of herself. But here's my whole point. Wasn't she telling us for a decade that we shouldn't judge and it was good, and fat was good and we shouldn't fat shame and leave people alone? Then why are you so happy when you dumped 125lbs?

[Dawson]

Check her podcast history. I think we shamed her into it.

[Adam Carolla]

Ah, now listen, God bless, number one. Good for you. Hard work, I hope, paid off and you should be proud of yourself. You just shouldn't have yelled at everyone who called you fat when you were £300 and super unhealthy. But I think the fat thing, when future generations go back and sift through the wreckage of this era, one of the insane things they're going to come up with is, along with the gender stuff, like, well, assigned at birth. No, you're a chick or you're a dude. That's it. That's all we got. Those insane conversations are also the ones where we can't fat shame someone or tell someone they're unhealthy or they need to lose weight. I mean, everyone who died in Covid was fat, so. And it costs us kajillions of dollars a year. Like, there's nothing wrong with it. There's nothing. Okay, listen to me. These people, yeah. If you lit up a cigarette anywhere near the park their kids were in, they would fucking have you arrested. Why? It's unhealthy. And now I gotta breathe your secondhand smoke and you shouldn't smoke and you shouldn't smoke and you shouldn't smoke. All right? Being fat is worse. So you can do a thousand PSAs on not smoking, and you can shame everyone and you can outlaw it everywhere and you can wag your finger at anybody. But if I bring up the thing that's more dangerous than that, then I'm the guy who needs to be pulled off the Internet. Fuck. Right off. We're living in some weird upside down world where it's like, yeah, a man and a woman and a pronouns and A he and a they. And you can't call her fat or. She is fat. She's morbidly obese. And she's got pretty prediabetes and diabetes and third string diabetes. And diabetes goes to Washington. But you can't fucking say anything but she's dying of COVID Like, okay, these are the rules. People are gonna look back at this and go, these fucking guys were batshit crazy.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And then the next thing they're gonna do is they're gonna go, what happened to dudes? How did so many pussies go along with this?

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And I'm gonna go, I don't know. I never did. And they're going to be. But what about all the pussies? What about all the fucking sheep pussies out there? What happened to dudes? They just went along. They didn't want to get in trouble.

[Dawson]

But what the fuck? The boundaries go back and forth. Societal boundaries. It seems like they rubber band now. It's not a normal ebb and flow. Like, remember the 80s, dudes started dressing all chicks.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. You know what I mean?

[Dawson]

And then, like, it went out of that into some rough hip hop 90s.

[Adam Carolla]

I. I've got to say when. So I've never been down with anything.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I saw glam rop and like, hair bands and stuff, and I was like, are you fucking kidding me?

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

There's no fucking way. I'm.

[Dawson]

But you're like some of the songs on the radio, I'm sure I heard.

[Adam Carolla]

A little white snake traveling to Roseanne's and I cannot lie.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I like that song.

[Dawson]

Well, the window's down.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I will say, you know how you can. You know. You know how you can tell everybody whether you believe them or not, or they go, I wasn't down with all this bullshit or I didn't go along with whatever. With a man and a woman. If you just want to know who wasn't down with whatever, there's one way and one way only to tell.

[Dawson]

Instamatic camera.

[Adam Carolla]

Check the hair. Check the hairstyle.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

This hombre. I passed through like five hairstyles socially. Not me. Now I can't do shit with my head. Okay. But guys tried. It didn't stop dudes from trying. You know what I mean? If you find a picture of me from 21, my hair looks the same as it did at 51, and it still looked the same at 31.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I had the same hair. Straight through. Straight through, never change. Which means no trends.

[Dawson]

Yeah, I see. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Because the hair not even a mullet. The hair goes first.

[Dawson]

Oh yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

The hair is the first thing. Facial hair, second. Head hair. When you look at, you look at like everybody had to have the same hair in the 70s.

[Dawson]

Feathered.

[Adam Carolla]

You take a look at Love Boat.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Captain Stubing was bald. All he had was his sideburns and a little fryer talcum side big bushy sideburns. He's a captain sticking out of the side of his hat. Everybody had to have the same hair.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Which meant you had to go along with things. And then you get to 80s hair.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And that was a different hair. And then there's 90s hair, then there's facial hair. There's different everything.

[Dawson]

You're just generic Corolla all the way through.

[Adam Carolla]

Never went on, never bought in. Never, never, never did it. You can't find pictures of me with bad hair. You can find chicks from the 80s. Every good look, every single good looking 55 year old chick has embarrassing 80s hair pictures of herself.

[Dawson]

Yeah. Makes sense, right? Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Not this ombre. Same hair. Always the same hair. Which means never check which way the wind was blowing. Never. And also lack of ability to do things with your hair.

[Dawson]

Just never joined a club. Never.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, I would preordain stuff retarded before it even hit. You know, I'd go, that's a mistake. Not gonna do that. You're gonna look like a fucking asshole in three years. We're gonna take pictures.

[Dawson]

So never joined the disco club. Never in the heavy metal club. You know, not in the hair band era. Just straight Corolla.

[Adam Carolla]

I will, I will say, I will, I will attempt to torpedo my own case.

[Dawson]

Yeah. I feel like you had a mullet at one point.

[Adam Carolla]

And I will say that somewhere in the early 80s I would have had shorter on the side and a little higher on the top. My hair. But now I'm old, so I just wear my hair shorter. But it's the same thing. Just. And maybe a little longer. In like 80 when everyone's hair was just kind of big, you know. But no, I've had the same haircut.

[Dawson]

The margin of error is slim.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, also I'd get my haircut kind of short and then I wouldn't get a haircut for four months and then I. So it depends when you took the picture because it might grow out in the interim. But no, no disco phase. That's why I never got laid.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I didn't play any of the games. I know my stupid friends would be like, I'm getting a chain and some Puka shells. I'm getting my dick sucked. And I'm like, ah, I'm not wearing that. And they go, I'm doing it. And then they'd go get their dicks sucked and I wouldn't. So I stand by my ground.

[Dawson]

I see that.

[Adam Carolla]

Stand my ground. And same thing with the COVID Basically, it's just like. It's not a path to sex or riches, you understand?

[Dawson]

You get shunned just mid range, just floating through.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, society does not embrace you when you do not embrace society. Yeah, but I can still sit around and go, nah, I saw that one coming. I wasn't going. I saw Covid coming. I'm like, I'm not down with any of this. I'm not participating in this. I'm not gonna talk about it. I'm gonna make fun of anyone who gets into it. I was telling roseanne I called 200,000 people cowards. Men, mainly cowards, sheep and pussies on Twitter nonstop all through Covid. That's all I did was make fun of. Of weak dudes.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

For a reason. Yeah.

[Dawson]

It was a nightmare.

[Adam Carolla]

It didn't have to be a nightmare. I know dudes could have acted like fucking dudes instead of pussies and we could have got through it. But we didn't. We didn't do that. We chose to ostracize those who stood up. Also something I found out as well. Or something I was thinking about laying in bed at Dr. Drew's house at three in the morning. I was thinking back when Newsom was on this show and we played the clip not too long ago, Joe, where he bragged that he liked to work small to big. And it sounds like an idiot bragging about I don't know what. Because I'm saying, like, take the big problems, sort them out and then we'll get to the trans community, you know? But Newsom bragged he liked working small to big. I think we had the tape there somewhere.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Well, I don't know about that.

[Adam Carolla]

With huge socioeconomic issues. Here's generational poverty. There's a lot of others in government. Start big and then we'll get down to the small stuff.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

I like sweating the small stuff and.

[Adam Carolla]

Then getting the big stuff.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

I think it's the opposite.

[Adam Carolla]

It's the opposite. He likes what? He likes sweating the small stuff and then getting to the big stuff. You know what's small? Delta smelt.

[Dawson]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

A three inch fish is small. The Palisades burning to the ground. That's big. You see, he's Worried about the small stuff because he's sweating the small stuff. He likes to work small to big. So a miniature guppy sized fish I would say is small. And then $300 billion worth of real estate loss, I would say that's on the bigger side. So I would say Los Angeles being on fire would be big and delta smelt would be small.

[Dawson]

But Delta smelt are delicious.

[Adam Carolla]

That's right. All right, so that's. I would ask that he reverse his stance on big to small. Think aqueduct.

[Dawson]

Big.

[Adam Carolla]

Think aqueduct Big. Think capturing rainwater. Yeah, Big.

[Dawson]

Think forest ablaze as big.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, Think. Think big. Yeah, Think everything's on fire that size. And then. And I'll tell you what, once we get all that solved, then we'll go small down to delta smelt.

[Dawson]

Yeah, yeah, Chip away.

[Adam Carolla]

Good idea. I like that he was bragging about small one more time. Just because it's gonna make. It's gonna make me laugh. Very small.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Well, I don't know about that.

[Adam Carolla]

With huge socioeconomic issues. Here's all of generational poverty. There's a lot of others in government. Start big and then we'll get down to the small stuff.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

I like sweating the small stuff and.

[Adam Carolla]

Then getting the big stuff.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

I think it's the opposite.

[Adam Carolla]

It's bottom up thinking, not top down thinking. All right. Bottom up thinking, all right, it's Delta smelt thinking, not Los Angeles on fire.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Thinking, burn down California thinking.

[Adam Carolla]

Burn down California thinking. But we're gonna smell like small stuff, by the way. He doesn't know what he's saying. He's just talking. When he says top down, bottom up, he doesn't mean, you know, when Joe Biden goes, I'm gonna go from the bottom up in the middle out. He doesn't know what he's saying when he says generational wealth. He doesn't know what he's saying. He does not know what he's saying. He's just talking gibberish. All right, should we take a break here, Joe? Up to me. Yeah, take a quick break and we'll talk to David Freeberg of Jefferson Starship right at the beginning. We'll talk to him right after this Simplisafe. Traditional security systems only take action after someone has already broken in. It's too late at that point. I mean, let's face it, they've already broken in. It's got the word broken right in it. I've been using these guys for a million years. So is everyone who works here. And like I said, it's not hardwired. So you can pick it up. You know, if you're renting, you move to a new place. Take the system with you. Simply safe. They have active guard outdoor protection. It changes the game by preventing crime before it happens. If someone's lurking around or acting suspicious, agents see them in real time, talk to them directly, set off your spotlights and even call the police. No long term contracts or cancellation fees. It's around a buck a day for security and peace of mind. You owe it to yourself and you owe it to your family. It's Simplisafe, right, Dawson?

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[Jason Mayhem Miller]

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[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Time to check Adam's voicemail.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, Adam, I love the show. I. I like that you say what's on your mind and the truth, and you don't give a shit about what the assholes are calling and complaining about what you say. Stay real and keep on fighting back. Thanks, buddy.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

You can leave us a message at 888-634-1744.

[Adam Carolla]

David Freeberg is our guest. Very early member of Jefferson Airplane. And then right before Starship. Did you get in right before starship?

[David Freeberg]

No, actually I got in at the very end of Jefferson Airplane and was the beginning of Jefferson's starship.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, did I not say that or I said something else?

[David Freeberg]

And I got out while it was starship.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay. Oh, God, those are some years. My God.

[David Freeberg]

Long ago.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, but you're still rocking, man. That's incredible. There's dates coming up. It's the 50th anniversary runaway again tour. Seattle, Gainesville, Georgia, North Carolina. Coming up, Fort Lauderdale. So you guys are still. You're heading out and touring again. Could you ever imagine so many years you'd still be doing it?

[David Freeberg]

I couldn't imagine being 40 and there I am, 86, for Christ's sake. Oh, my God.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, it's weird. And also, I think, and I'm reading here that you were released from jail after getting busted for marijuana, which now even sounds kind of quaint now. It is. Yeah.

[David Freeberg]

I've been expunged.

[Dawson]

You're gonna give me your guy.

[Adam Carolla]

I wonder. You know, it's also. I feel like there was San Francisco hippies back as we knew them, but they're not sort of the weaponized hippie now. I feel like hippies are angry now. They didn't seem to be as angry back then. They're a little more into free love.

[David Freeberg]

No, we were peace and love. Flowers, flower power. Right. We didn't want to fight.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, there's a lot more hippies got weaponized in, like, the last several years. I don't even think we go hippie anymore. But I just mean, my mom was a hippie. Be a little bit older than you if she was alive. And it was about Mother Earth ecology, you know, fighting the powers, fighting the man, and not really trusting the man. Do you know what I mean? That used to be the old Sort of. That was the old version also.

[David Freeberg]

Sounds familiar.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. So did you start off in San Francisco?

[David Freeberg]

Oh, I grew up in Ohio, but actually I was born in Boston, grew up in Ohio, and I moved to San Francisco, like the week, the week between Christmas and New Year's. 59.

[Adam Carolla]

Really?

[David Freeberg]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And were you there pursuing music?

[David Freeberg]

No, I had no idea that's what I was going to do. Although, you know, I was, I was, I was, I was a classically trained violinist until I got to high school and then they dropped. I went to a new school and there was no orchestra, so I sang in the choruses and acted and did everything else except study.

[Adam Carolla]

Who are some of the bands you remember going out with back in the day? Like, who would have opened for you guys who were, like, on the way up at the time? Who are some of the bands you would have opened for when you guys were on the way up back in the day?

[David Freeberg]

Oh, well, it was kind of weird because, I mean, I was. The first band I was in was Quicksilver Messenger Service.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really?

[David Freeberg]

Yeah, yeah. So that was the one I, I was in the starting, Starting, starting four or five of those.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. I'm trying to think of what was there. I know the band, but I'm trying to think of the hit.

[David Freeberg]

Have another hit.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, a Fresh Air. Yeah, yeah, There you go. Oh, find that song, Dawson. That is the. Hold on that song. That song is right up there with Kenny Rogers. Just checked in to see what condition my condition was in. Like, that was some real funky 60s. You remember this one, Dawson?

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Yeah, I do.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Dawson]

Hell, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Now you playing on this, singing on this.

[David Freeberg]

I'm singing background on this one by playing bass.

[Adam Carolla]

Ah, another hit.

[Dawson]

Yeah. How much weed was involved in that?

[Adam Carolla]

Hold on. Yeah, another sweet, sweet act. Sweet act.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, were you guys playing? Oh, so you got, you guys must have played, open for, toured with.

[David Freeberg]

I mean, yeah, I'm trying to remember. I, I, I know we, we did some D just to go with Grateful Dead.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah.

[David Freeberg]

You know, I know we toured Texas with the Grateful. Did some gigs in Texas with a Grateful Dead and went out by ourselves a lot, played the Fillmore east, and I don't even remember who opened for us, tell you the truth.

[Adam Carolla]

And, and then you got out a quicksilver and into Airplane.

[David Freeberg]

Well, yeah, I had a little hiatus where I, I worked out with Mickey Hart from the Grateful Dead, helping him do his first solo album. And I brought Grace. One of my oldest friend that I had was Paul Kantner from Jefferson, who turned out but this was before Jefferson Airplane. It happened. I was in jail for that bust when they formed Jefferson Airplane.

[Adam Carolla]

How long were we in jail for?

[David Freeberg]

Oh, I don't know, three weeks.

[Adam Carolla]

We busted with a fair amount of marijuana or just joint back then?

[David Freeberg]

No, it was seeds and stems, actually, for that one.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Shake, man. Busted for shape.

[David Freeberg]

Yeah. Yeah, it was terrible.

[Adam Carolla]

Grace Slick. She's real retired. Like, I don't see her anywhere, anytime.

[David Freeberg]

No, she's retired. She's, well, she's, she's still painting pictures, I do believe.

[Adam Carolla]

When's the last time you spoke to her?

[David Freeberg]

Oh, I don't know. Last year, I guess. She gave me a call.

[Adam Carolla]

Is she, is she good? I've never interviewed her. I don't know anything about her.

[David Freeberg]

Ah, she's. Great interview. She'll tell you exactly what she thinks.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, that's holds back.

[David Freeberg]

Holds back nothing. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Is she just living somewhere, like a little off the grid and just kind of taking it slow?

[David Freeberg]

I think she's got a place in Malibu and I think she escaped the fires, I do believe.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes, I got a place in Malibu and I escaped the fire too. I wonder where she lived in Malibu.

[David Freeberg]

I think she's still there.

[Adam Carolla]

She was just able to retire off of songs and royalties and that sort of thing.

[David Freeberg]

Yeah, I believe so. I mean, writing White Rabbit was probably.

[Adam Carolla]

Enough to, well, that, that song. There's certain songs like White Rabbit in every third movie where somebody starts smoking pot and the lens gets gauzy. That song, Here We Go. Right. So that gets cleared for so many movie soundtracks. It's like George Thorogood's Bad to the Bone used to do it every time. Macaulay Culkin put the Wayfarer sunglasses on and pop. Like they just. Certain songs. Alice Cooper Schools out for summer. There's just certain songs that just get played and carted in so many music. Yeah, yeah.

[David Freeberg]

Spirit in the Sky.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. Norman Green, Green Bomb.

[David Freeberg]

Well, man, that sense. Practically every other commercial.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[David Freeberg]

Either singing it or just the intro, the riff.

[Adam Carolla]

Nothing says rock and roll like the name Norman Greenbaum. Yeah, that's who wrote Spirit in the Sky.

[Dawson]

Great.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, you hear that lick, right? But look, you did one of my favorite songs which we played earlier, which was Jane. I know you. That one. That is, that is the rockin est of all the Airplane and Starship songs. I, I, I would say.

[David Freeberg]

Yeah, it wasn't going to be rocking when I started it out. I was thinking more of like the Rolling Stones kind of baroque period when they were doing Ruby Tuesday and stuff. Because I wrote it on. On the piano. And I was writing it for Marty Ballin and. But we had this great guitar player in Jefferson Starship, Craig Chiquiso. And he's been listening to some other kind of thing, I think probably Toto.

[Adam Carolla]

Hold the Line.

[David Freeberg]

Yeah, yeah, that kind of stuff. And so he. He heard it and said. And I kind of said, I would like to make this. I think I like to make this more rocky now. And he said, you came to the right guy and nice. And he came up with that whole arrangement, so.

[Adam Carolla]

So were you doing the piano part and he was doing the guitar part?

[David Freeberg]

No, actually, I played bass on that one.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really?

[David Freeberg]

Pete serious? Pete serious was playing the keyboards on that one.

[Adam Carolla]

Did. Yeah. Sorry, go ahead.

[David Freeberg]

We kind of went back and forth between keyboards and bass. Whatever Pete was playing, I played the other one.

[Adam Carolla]

Now, I know you had a little friction over We Built this City, which I was explaining earlier in the show, gets on everyone's worst songs top 10 list. But I don't have a problem with it. I don't think of it as a great song. I just don't think it should make a list of worst songs ever. But I don't know how you feel about that.

[David Freeberg]

Well, see, that was. That was Starship, and that was after I left. I left right after Paul did and. And I liked it. I mean, when I heard it, you know, I did. I wasn't on it or anything. Our drummer, Donnie Baldwin is. Is with our. With Jefferson Starship these days. And he. He was on that singing high harmonies and stuff and playing drums, and I thought it was fine.

[Dawson]

So you're not putting it on the worst list?

[David Freeberg]

I would never do that.

[Dawson]

I don't know. I feel like you're holding something back.

[Adam Carolla]

No, no.

[Dawson]

Okay. Okay.

[David Freeberg]

No. Yeah, I had a piece of it.

[Dawson]

Oh, never mind. All bets are off.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know. Maybe we can find Dawson one of those worst song lists. I could easily create my own.

[Dawson]

Yeah, you need to do it.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, I have.

[Dawson]

Yeah, I've noticed.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, Joe. I'll tell you, in my book, I think in 50 years, walby chicks, I think I did create a worse song list, but it could have been the next one. But we'll test it with David and see if he hates the same songs that I hate. But is that list. Is there a list?

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Rolling Stone has a list. I'm seeing if I can dig it all up. Right.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, okay. I hate Lou Reed. I don't know if you ever got to work with Lou Reed. I hate all this music. I Hate everything about Lou Reed.

[David Freeberg]

I don't hate anybody.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Dawson]

He doesn't seem so negative. I gotta be honest with you.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't like Lou Reed. I don't like Joan Jett. I don't like Prince. And I don't like the Beastie Boys. Those are my top. And Holland Oates, the worst. Oh, the worst. And the Eagles have so many bad songs.

[Dawson]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And. Yeah. And Fleetwood Mac. Other than that. But you don't hate anybody.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[David Freeberg]

No, no, no.

[Dawson]

This guy's late in his career. You're trying to get him into a rap battle right now. I know.

[David Freeberg]

Oh, no, no. I always. I always think if.

[Dawson]

If.

[David Freeberg]

If a band's having a good time and enjoying themselves and the people that are listening to them are having a good time, I offer that.

[Dawson]

I'm with you, sir. I'm with you. But this old codger hates the Eagles.

[Adam Carolla]

Rolling Stone said We Built this City. They did an online Reader's Poll in 2011. We built this City as the worst song of the 80s. Incorrect. There's so many worse songs than that. We Built this City by Starship has been called the worst song of all time by some, including magazines, Blender and GQ magazine. Now, I think what happened. I saw a whole. Let's see. I saw a doc. There's an interesting doc out there on Nickelback.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And there was a whole phenomenon where they were just, like, the biggest band in the world for a year, and then somebody turned on them, and then everyone just turned on Nickelback. But they didn't do anything any differently. They just played and toured, and the next thing you know, Nickelback became a punchline.

[Dawson]

Internet culture did that. Yeah, but y'all had the same. It's like the inline skating is gay joke. Really? Like.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dawson]

The hardest part about, you know, that killed the whole thing. Same thing. The Internet just turned off.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. Because Nickelback. Nickelback could just. Nickelback was always Nickelback. Why? How'd you go from everyone loves Nickelback to everyone hates Nickelback in four months?

[David Freeberg]

Who knows?

[Adam Carolla]

I guess it's the Internet. But I think you guys got Nickelback with Built this City before it was even popular.

[David Freeberg]

Yeah, I don't know. I wasn't paying that much attention at that point.

[Adam Carolla]

Why'd you get out of Starship?

[David Freeberg]

Oh, they were okay. All the bands I played in up until then, most of the songs came from the band, you know, and where people in the band would get together and write some stuff, you know, and. And they were looking. They were being produced and Getting hit songs, you know, listening to cassette tapes, picking out the best song. Only hit songs. And I don't. I believe I. I believe because I really wasn't there. But I don't think they have any songs written by the band. They put out any starship, but they got some damn good songs. I mean, you know, nothing's going to stop us now. That's beautiful. That's. That's kind of three quarters of the people that we play to's wedding song, so.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. But you want to do original material or your own material?

[David Freeberg]

Well, yeah, well, that was what I did. And I wasn't fitting in with. With this. And I was feeling uncomfortable because, I don't know, I was kind of. I always kind of felt like the main thing I can do best is probably sing. And I love to sing harmony. And, you know, that's. That's my. That's my real thing. I love to sing with people and. And the guy that was producing them was. Was Peter Wolf was his name, and he was a fantastic. I've never seen a better keyboard player in my. In my life, man.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

I mean, Peter Wolf from the Jay Giles Band.

[Adam Carolla]

That.

[David Freeberg]

No, no, no.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

That was a different one.

[David Freeberg]

Different. Peter Wolf. He was. He's Austrian. He. He was like, you know, Vienna Conservatory of Music kind of. I mean.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[David Freeberg]

And he was just a whiz man. I could never play any of that stuff. I was just a folk piano player.

[Adam Carolla]

I found my list. Is this all of it? That's all of it. All right. You ready? Here's my list. Worst songs of all time. No Jefferson Starship on it.

[David Freeberg]

That's good.

[Adam Carolla]

Addicted to Love by Robert Palmer. Oh, it's a horrible, horrible, horrible, Simple. It's a boring simpleton song that should have never been played on the radio. It's shit. Robert Palmer sucks. Sorry. God rest his soul, but he's a hack. His music's horrible. All right. This could offend a few of the people. Cocaine by Eric Clapton. It's a boring, stupid, slow song. I don't. On that. On that note. I Shot the Sheriff by Bob Marley. Not because I even hate it that much. It's the lyrics. I shot the sheriff, but I didn't shoot the deputy. You're still doing time. It's worse that you shot the sheriff. It'd be better if you just shot the deputy but left the sheriff alone.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Anyway. Bad song. I love Rock and Roll by Joan Jett. Another crappy. Supposed to be an anthem. It's an anthem for dumb people who don't really know music. It sucks. Just like all her songs. Born in the USA by Bruce Springsteen. Another big, crappy, boring slog. It's too repetitive. It's too simple. It's too simple. Abracadabra by Steve Miller. Socks. Horrible. Steve Miller is some of the worst songs ever. Stuck with youh by Huey Lewis. Yes, it's true. I'm so happy to be stuck with you and I can see that you're happy to be stuck with me It's a children's rhyme. It's not a real song. It's not a real song. I love Huey. He knows that song sucks. He knows. I told him that song sucks.

[David Freeberg]

You gotta love Huey, man.

[Adam Carolla]

Nicest guy in the world, right?

[David Freeberg]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Adam Carolla]

The Girl Is mine by Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson. Embarrassing. I mean, for two greats to get together and make that Reese's shit sandwich called the Girl Is Mine. Very disappointed. Brass Monkey by the Beastie Boys. Beastie Boys always suck. Beautiful Girls by Sean Kingston sucks. American Woman, horrible. I like the Guess who, but American Woman, horrible. And then, of course, there's Man Eater by Hall and Oates. That's my list of horrific songs that I never need to hear again. David, thoughts?

[David Freeberg]

You're welcome to them, man.

[Adam Carolla]

You as a musician. You as a musician. When I said Robert Palmer Addicted to Love, I could see you nodding.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. I felt something, you know? That's a shit song.

[Dawson]

Let the darkness take over you, David.

[David Freeberg]

I. I'm. I'm not sure I. I remember enjoying that song.

[Adam Carolla]

No, but you know music. That's the whole point. You have to hate bad songs, right? Because of your knowledge of music. Look, I know comedy, so I really hate bad comedy because I know comedy. You must be that way with music, right?

[David Freeberg]

Maybe I just like the video. I don't know.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, the guitar Girls.

[Dawson]

I'm here and I'm picking up with you.

[Adam Carolla]

Maybe that's something. All right, David, let me give you a plug. Live dates out on tour starting February 11th. JeffersonStarship.com is where we go, and then we can find all the dates.

[David Freeberg]

You can find them all? I don't even know them all. They're still pulling them in, so.

[Adam Carolla]

Playing all the hits. Yeah.

[David Freeberg]

We even play We Built a City. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really? Okay. Good for you. You know what Rolling Stone magazine had to say about this?

[Dawson]

It's my favorite, best song ever.

[Adam Carolla]

David Fryberg, thanks for joining us. I appreciate it.

[David Freeberg]

My pleasure, sir.

[Adam Carolla]

Good luck out on tour.

[David Freeberg]

You know, we're just gonna have fun.

[Adam Carolla]

All the groupies, the cocaine. I get It.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

The nightlife departing.

[Dawson]

You like the boogie.

[Adam Carolla]

I know it. I know what that life's like.

[David Freeberg]

I'm 86 years old, man. I can't do that.

[Dawson]

I'll bring you some edibles.

[David Freeberg]

Thanks, David.

[Adam Carolla]

All right.

[David Freeberg]

Thank you, man.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, Mayhem. Let's do some news.

[Dawson]

Let's do some news. Lyft sued after a 489 pound passenger told she can't fit inside the car. I hope we have the video for this because a Detroit rapper and influencer, Duaha Blanding.

[Adam Carolla]

Wait, how's she spelled? How'd she spell it?

[Dawson]

D, A, J, U, A Du Hua. Dahua.

[Adam Carolla]

Daja.

[Dawson]

Da. Jaja. Yeah. I would have to see her because I thought it was Spanish.

[Adam Carolla]

How's doja? Cat, spell her name.

[Dawson]

D, O, J, A.

[Adam Carolla]

And this is Daja.

[Dawson]

This is Daja.

[Adam Carolla]

All right. Oh, she's.

[Dawson]

She's a tremendous sized lady.

[Adam Carolla]

She's four. Say she was. What was she?

[Dawson]

490, I think. No, no. 489 pounds.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay, she's not. So she's got 100 on your version of Lizza.

[Dawson]

No. Yeah, you're right.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay. But she couldn't fit.

[Dawson]

She could not fit in the car. Please tell me you have the video. Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

And she couldn't fit in the lift.

[Dawson]

Now, the reason. The reason that she can sue is in Michigan. It's the only state where weight is legally protected under anti discrimination laws. So that thing that we were talking about at the top of the show.

[Adam Carolla]

No, I get it.

[Dawson]

But.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay, a couple things. If you are going to be a certain size, whether it's weight or height or width, whatever that is, we build societies. We built this city on fat and roll. Fat and roll. No, here's what I'm saying. When I sit on an airplane and I'm in coach, my knees press against the table, the seat in front of me, because I'm 6 foot 2. Now, I'm not freakishly tall, but I'm taller than the average coach passenger. And thus my knees press hit the seat in front, and it's marginally uncomfortable because we didn't build the seats for me. We just went, what is the average height? American? Five foot, you know, five foot, seven and a quarter. That's the spread we're putting on the seat. And then my knees push up against the seat in front of me. So we do this with just about everything because that's how society works. Every seat, every seat belt. But. But knives and forks are made for people of average sized hands, not Andre the Giant's hands, you know what I'm saying?

[Dawson]

The last Southwest flight I took is two seats there. I was the last guy on the plane, right next to a crane operator. Yeah, you heard right. Crane operator who sits all day cranking the crane around. Yeah, about 380 or so.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really?

[Dawson]

Yeah, I just pulled right in, snuggled up, went to sleep.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, let's hear what she has to say. This Lyft driver denied me service BC of my size. Why is that voice? Someone's around with this video right in this car. Believe me. You can. Yes, I can believe it. What am I doing about my money? I'm going to cancel The United States. Going to be. So you telling me I can't get in a lift because I can't fit in your car? Yeah, you need to order a bigger car. What make you think I can't fit in a car? Yeah, I'm sorry. What makes you think I can't fit? Well, hold on a second. I'm looking at you. You're £500 and this is a Daihatsu charade with like a limited amount of space in the back seat. That's why I'm.

[Dawson]

By the way, my shocks aren't taking that.

[Adam Carolla]

Her going, what makes you think I can't fit in the car? She's kind of setting herself up for a fall there, isn't she?

[Dawson]

No, she's using the fact that people will be polite to an end.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay, well, what is.

[Joe]

I think she's trying to get him to say you're fat.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And that's discrimination.

[Adam Carolla]

Michigan. I feel sorry for foreign guys because foreign guys don't come from new school where we have. They just say stuff.

[Dawson]

You know, he's been already. He knows he's tiptoeing around it. He's trying not to.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, well, let's hear the rest. All right. My best friend has a biz that's newer than this that I can sit in that's the same size. So are you really telling me I'm too busy getting your car, man. We'll just got to order another lift. Get an. Get a Cadillac Escalade.

[Dawson]

She's out of breath.

[Adam Carolla]

More, more specific with you. I got very tired. Tire. Oh, what I got to do with your tires? Hold on a second. His tires?

[Dawson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, look, let's say, let's be kind. Let's see. This guy would probably let. Let two 240 pound dudes get in the back, right? What do you weigh?

[Dawson]

Yeah, Yeah, I weigh 230. Yeah.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

All right.

[Adam Carolla]

You and your buddy being Rampage. You and Rampage, after a night of drinking, could slide into the back of this guy's Mercedes. He wouldn't say anything about the tires, right?

[Dawson]

No.

[Adam Carolla]

Although he'd probably be scared of you in Rampage, big chain around his neck. So there's. You and Rampage can get in the back. I get that. The old tires thing, that's where it starts getting a little insulting now. But. All right, keep it going.

[Dawson]

Pop the tires.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. And you have no space. How you know I don't have no space? Yeah, I got no space in the back. How do you know I don't have no space? Because I try, people. Huh? All right, hold on. At a certain point, just pop it in reverse, right? Like, roll the window up.

[Dawson]

What are you doing?

[Adam Carolla]

Prop it in reverse. She. She gets her money refunded. Now she's doing everybody. She's morbidly obese. She's unhealthy. Go on a fucking diet. Society's not going to bend around you.

[Dawson]

Well, they are. No, that's where you're wrong.

[Adam Carolla]

You're right.

[Dawson]

Lift. In a public statement, Lift unequivocally condemns all forms of discrimination. We believe in a community where everyone is treated with equal respect. They believe in mutual kindness. Our community guidelines and the terms of service explicitly prohibit harassment or discrimination.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, they're not doing anything. Look, if I ran, okay, you see, they have those bucket scoopers that they used for the guys who are the linemen for the county who work on the power lines. They just say on a max weight, 300 pounds. It's not discrimination not to let tubular into it. It's just going, you ain't gonna fit. And that's not what it's rated to, you know, Like, I. I went and picked up a Genie lift, which he would need to get in the back of this car. It's a. It's a lift. It's like a forklift, but you crank it with your hands and it lifts.

[Dawson]

Scissor.

[Adam Carolla]

It's not scissor, it's genie.

[Dawson]

Okay?

[Adam Carolla]

Genie's different than scissor. Although. Scissors. A lift. This is something. I just went and picked it up many, many years ago from a rental place, and I brought a Ford Explorer. And I said, just fold it in half and throw it in the back, you know? And they went, that's not gonna fit. And I said, oh, yeah, it's gonna fit. And I got good eyeballs. Not as good as yours. I said, it's going to fit. And they go, no. And then I said, Just fold it in half and slide it in the back of the Ford Explorer. It's definitely going to fit. I'm looking at it and they're like, nah, not going to fit. And then at some point, about the fifth time, he goes, you can't take it in a suv. You got to take it in a truck. They had a rule. The point is, I don't know why it pissed me off. I hated it. But. But the rule was you don't get to put it in the back of an suv. Insurance, whatever, whatever. You can put it in the back of a pickup truck, in which case I had to find a pickup truck and come back and blah, blah, blah. It's a long story. But the point is he's not discriminating. He's just going, I don't think you can fit in here. That's all. He makes his living doing this. He'd be happy to take your money. And I don't know that she could fit in the back of that miniature Mercedes.

[Dawson]

Kind of slim. Yeah, look. I don't know if that's happening. All right, moving on. Look. New York magazine cover accused of cropping out black attendees of Trump inauguration event.

[Adam Carolla]

That's about right.

[Dawson]

Black conservative influencer CJ Pearson. Posted on X. I hosted this event and New York Mag intentionally left me out of their story. Yeah. Apparently trying to hide the fact that any black people like Donald Trump and I know a few in my family.

[Adam Carolla]

Are we not past any of this stuff yet? Are we still. Everything's race, race, race.

[Dawson]

They're hanging onto it. It's something that's been like.

[Adam Carolla]

They're hanging on it.

[Dawson]

Yeah. So here, there you can see the cruel. They really put.

[Adam Carolla]

They hate everybody.

[Dawson]

They're trying to paint the narrative that MAGA is only white and it's not a phenomenon that has African Americans in it. And you can plainly see there this is not true.

[Adam Carolla]

But what I never understand about any of the race hustle. And it's all a hustle. It's all a fucking hustle. That's all Biden did for four years is race, hustle. It's all Kamala Harris does is hustle. They never really work it out. Like J.D. vance is married to an Indian woman. I think so does that count or does that not count? They have mixed race kids. Donald Trump's daughter converted to Judaism. Do any of these things count? When you try to appoint Vivek Ramaswamy, does that count for some sort of intersectional points? Or when you have a chick like Nikki Haley Female, I guess. Got some race mixed in there. Does any of that count? Or is it just you love white men and that's all you'll fraternize with? Except for my cabinet is littered with women and then men who aren't white. Are we counting them? No, we don't count them. Why don't we count them? Well, they think like you think, oh, but I thought this was about race. Like, if we're just talking about race, then why isn't Candace Owens embraced by the whatever community? And it's like, well, we don't like her. And I'm like, yeah, but she's a black woman and all you guys count is race, so shouldn't it just be good enough? She's a fuck of a lot blacker than Kamala Harris is. No, no, Kamala Harris we like. And Candace Owens we don't like. And then we don't. Thomas Sowell, we don't really count cuz he's black, but he's conservative. But so we don't count him. Yeah, but I thought you guys were obsessed with race. Well, no, it's race. But you gotta think like, well, what color's Joe Biden? Oh, he's an old white guy who's married a blonde woman. He's the whitest dude on the planet who's got a corrupt son who goes to Ukraine and rips off money from white people. Okay, but he's. That's good. Or you like. So Gavin Newsom is what color? And then he's running against Larry Elder.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Who'S black, but as the black face of white supremacy.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, the Los Angeles Times said Larry Elder's the black face of white supremacy. So is it about race or is it just about agreeing with you? Fuck darts. Who ruin everything all the time. And by the way you guys have played this fucking race card into the motherfucking ground. No one is ever listening ever again about your calls of whatever and diversity and every fucking other thing. The era of weaponized racism, it's gone. You guys fucked it out. You shouldn't have. Yeah, yeah, you shouldn't have. You fucked it out so hard that nobody listens or cares anymore. Maybe there is real racism. Don't know, don't care, not interested. You guys fucked it into the ground. Big mistake. Should have saved it.

[Dawson]

All right, well, speaking of racism, so.

[Adam Carolla]

This is New York and they have the cool kids or the cruel kids table, which is all they want to do is keep money for their billionaire friends and get them richer and stuff. By the way, you think Elon Musk gives a fuck, really, about whatever savings he's going to get on his tax returns or whatever. Anyway, there's three black men just sort of outside of the cropped picture. I think that's what this person is talking to. So I guess the answer is they're not tired of the race hustle. Except for what they don't understand is nobody listens to them. They are still in race hustle mode, but no one gives a fuck anymore. We moved on. Yes.

[Dawson]

Lizzo lost some weight.

[Adam Carolla]

That's right. Lizzo lost some weight.

[Dawson]

Yeah. Next up, non sanctuary coastal enclave sues California for the right to enforce its own laws.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Dawson]

Huntington beach leaders recently.

[Adam Carolla]

I love Huntington Beach.

[Dawson]

The enclave, a non sanctuary city in an effort to combat illegal immigration and crime within its borders.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, you do. All right, so everyone understand how this works in the sanctuary cities? You arrest an illegal alien, not an undocumented American, whatever. You arrest illegal alien if you're in Chicago or in a sanctuary city, and then you have him in custody, Right? And this illegal alien is here illegally and has committed a crime. So then ice, Immigration Customs Enforcement says, you have this guy in custody in your Chicago jail. He's here illegally. So we're gonna send ICE to go get him and he's a criminal and we're gonna take him back or we're gonna remand him to the custody of ice. And then the sanctuary city, meaning Los Angeles, Chicago or whatever bum fuck, shithole city, goes, yeah, well, we're not playing with you. We're sanctuary city. We're not going to turn this illegal criminal over to you. So what we're going to do is we're just going to release him from the prison, but we're not going to release him to you. And then you go. Then ICE goes, okay, well, now you've released him back into the population, but we're still ICE and he's still here illegally. So now we're gonna go to his apartment building and this time we're gonna have our guns with us and somebody kicking in the door and somebody may get shot. Don't know. We could have done this the easy way when he was already in custody, but now it's been a week and he's back at his place and we don't know what he's doing in there. And by the way, when we go there to get him, to get the criminal who's here illegally, if there are other folks hanging around that are illegal, we'll take them, too.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Now, they could have Stayed cuz we didn't have to go to his apartment where her sister was there, cuz she's not a criminal. But you didn't give him to us while he was in custody. Fucking idiots. So now we're just gonna go raid the fucking place now? Now listen, you want to talk about throwing away taxpayer money, but you also want to talk about insanity. But you also want to talk about do they really care? Like you're talking about the innocent person getting caught up in the net. Not the criminal, but the person who's here illegally but not a criminal. And you don't want to get them deported. You're going to get them deported because we're gonna have to go look for this guy who is the criminal and maybe his mom, maybe his brother are not criminals. But they're there and we're gonna scoop them up too.

[Dawson]

What do you think about what Ronald Reagan did back in the day? Amnesty. He like toughened up the border and then gave amnesty. Just like one day, here you go. You know you're gonna be an American citizen if you're here paying taxes and then ushered a whole new wave of Americans.

[Adam Carolla]

And here's what I think. I think there is a pecking order where you go, all right, illegal alien, violent criminals, you're first. Yeah, Out. So we start with that and we move our way down to illegal alien, whatever criminal. And at some point we get to been here illegally for 12 years but pays taxes and has a job. And now we can talk about a right to ship or path.

[Dawson]

A lot of businesses run on illegal labor because that's the cheapest guys you can get. Hardest working guys you can get for certain kind of jobs. And you know it. In construction, some hard working dudes came with nothing and working their ass off 12 hours a day, you know, oh, there's a lot.

[Adam Carolla]

I agree, there's a lot of them. I work with a lot of those, those dudes.

[Dawson]

So I think there should be some pathway to citizenship instead of, oh, let's just lock every. Especially in California, if I live somewhere else I could see, oh, there's a few guys here and there. But California, we've been so long with this like turning a blind eye to illegal immigration that we'd be fucked if everybody did. Two million people disappear out of the state.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Also though, you know, it's very elitist and racist when they go, who's going to clean your toilet and who's going to stack your cinder blocks?

[Dawson]

I'm not in about all that. I know there's Highly skilled guys.

[Adam Carolla]

No, it's not even that. It's poor people. Like, I went to high school. My two best friends were Ray and Chris. White dudes. And they're both still working construction. And we all dug ditches and did construction. We did shit work. Who's going to dig the ditch?

[Dawson]

I don't know.

[Adam Carolla]

The son of Jim Carolla will dig. We'll dig ditches. Because I'm not going to college. I don't have any money, and no one's giving me any money. And I can't get a job at a law firm. So I shall dig ditches. That's what I did. That's what son of Gunter Oldhoefer shall do and son of Rick Bohm shall do. All the sons of the dads who didn't save for college and didn't give a fuck and didn't make any money will go to a construction site.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And dig ditches of the guy who got me my job, John Gillingham. That's a white dude. John Gillingham called me. He's like, you wanna come make seven bucks an hour? I was like, yes, I do. Every white dude I went to high school with who didn't work, who didn't go to college, we dug ditches.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

That's how we made a living. So white people will do those jobs. Racist, elitist rich people from Santa Monica. You're used to seeing Hispanics do the job, but traditionally, plenty of white people doing that shit. So the answer is poor people. And we'll always have poor people. But I never see any black people in the trades. Never ever?

[Dawson]

No, never.

[Adam Carolla]

No, Never. Close your eyes. Has anybody driven through Southern California and seen a black dude just spreading stucco on the side of the freeway and apartment buildings like a crew? Or mowing the lawn with a maintenance crew? Or stacking cinder blocks by the side of the. Doesn't exist. Yeah, it does. Not. When's the last time you called a plumber or a guy to come snake your drain or fix the breakers or whatever, and just black dude just showed up? That does not exist in Southern California.

[Dawson]

That's strange. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

It's weird, right?

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

There's plenty of poor black people here. Never. Never. That job.

[Dawson]

Damn. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Not. Not in the trades. If they gave half a shit about black people like they claim to, but they never fucking do anything. They would go down to the fucking inner city with a fucking. And start in on some vocational training, man. Like, hey, you can be a certified welder in six months and make 65 bucks an hour working for SpaceX. You fucking learn to LA down a good beat.

[Dawson]

Yeah. No, yeah, but culturally, the America hasn't tapped into that. We, like, waste money on different programs.

[Adam Carolla]

We don't even know. We. They. They just talk about. Well, first off, they talk about, like, going to college or being the first in your. Whatever. It's like, just get a trade, make some money. Yeah.

[Dawson]

Yeah. I don't understand why our culture has shifted to, you have to go to college. That's the only way to make it. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

We're getting away from it.

[Dawson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, one more.

[Dawson]

All right, the last one is Sigourney Weaver. Live performance disrupted as confetti shooting eco protesters storm the stage. Now, I tried to watch. She's doing a play of some sort.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah.

[Dawson]

And yeah, to just stop oil protesters interrupted a play starring Sigourney Weaver, bringing the show to a halt with a confetti cannon. Yeah. Weaver 75.

[Adam Carolla]

How much. How many show. How many times? I don't know. How do you spell Sigourney Weaver? We'll look at it. But how many times from 0 to 20 did Sigourney Weaver have to correct people? You know what I mean? Like the guy at the dmv. Next is Sigourney.

[Dawson]

Sigourney.

[Adam Carolla]

Sigourney. Is it Sigourney? Like she must. All the way through school just. It's Sigourney. It's Sigourney. All right, let's watch her. Sorry. Himself upon thy wicked dam come forth.

[Dawson]

As wicked you as ere my mother.

[Adam Carolla]

Breath with raven's feather from unwholesome fen. What's going on? The Eco alliance stapler.

[Dawson]

Yeah. They must have watched the show because right as the guy pops out of the stage, they knew that this is the moment to protest.

[Adam Carolla]

Or, by the way, every homo in that theater is down with your cause, 100%. You know, go to a Ted Nugent concert and get some converts, you know what I mean? Everyone. Everyone there drove a Tesla to see Sigourney Weaver give her shitty soliloquy. Right?

[Dawson]

Exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

They believe in that. They're down.

[Dawson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

With that. Cause now they're pissed off at you.

[Dawson]

And give them traumatic brain injury hitting them over the head.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, you love him because Stranglehold. Yeah, that's my jam. That's your J song?

[Dawson]

When I was a kid.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really?

[Dawson]

Stranglehold. Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

That was your song? Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's a good song. Choke somebody out to that song.

[Dawson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're absolutely right. I Look, I don't know what I mean. They're getting mayhem and hates to talk about this, so I guess they did their job.

[Adam Carolla]

I guess. But I do feel like the, the ecology as we used to call it, but now the whatever movement has served to piss more people off than it's like. Who was the spokesperson? Greta Thunberg. Everyone's like, oh, fuck that bitch. You know what I mean? Look, you don't wanna think if you got a movement, you know what I mean?

[Dawson]

Well, hear her out. Here's what Walsh, 42, said. She decided to participate in the protest because. 1.5 degrees. The Global Shipwreck we can't ignore. I'm scared for my children. I can't sleepwalk them into a future of food shortages, life threatening storms and wars for resources. Years of writing to MPs, going on marches and teaching my students to be more sustainable. Hasn't seen the urgent change needed.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, okay. Find Dawson, find Leonard Nimoy who narrates over the blizzard from 1974. 73 Billy Jack era. Hold on, this is 50 years old everybody. This is 50 fucking years old. I grew up with this. 50 years old. Let's see what the experts said 50 years ago. Move where the brutal buffalo winter might become common all over the United States. Climate experts believe the next ice age is on its way. Oh, here we go. According to recent evidence, it could come sooner than anyone had expected. Oh, look out world at weather stations in the far north, temperatures have been dropping for 30 years. Seacoasts long free of summer ice are now blocked year round. According to some climatologists, within a lifetime we might be living in the next ice age. Yeah. Leonard Nimoy died in encino. It was 82 degrees outside. He was fucking smoking a cigarette in February and watching tv. That's what happened. But this, this is, this is what they've been saying. This is 50 fucking years old.

[Dawson]

Well, but I thought the information was updated now.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, now some experts. Experts. Climate. He pointed out the experts.

[Dawson]

Yeah, yeah, they talked to the experts 50 years ago. We got updated information.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, update those experts. We got experts. We got covet experts, we got climate change experts, we got race experts. We got a lot of experts. They know what they're talking about, right?

[Dawson]

I'm listening to them all.

[Adam Carolla]

Idiots. So she's worried about feeding her kids.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And she, she can feed them Leonard Nimoy and make soylent grain out of them. Yeah, she's there. The kids aren't gonna be able to eat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Kids can't eat, Raise the kids.

[Dawson]

Production of the Tempest. And it's running from December 19th. It'll run till February 1st.

[Adam Carolla]

All right.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

All right. Nobody cares about fucking climate change. We don't care about race anymore. Cause you fucked it out, everybody. Also, there's nothing we're gonna do about it. We don't control climate change. You gotta talk to China and India about that. Boca Raton, second show. That'll be tomorrow. We added a show. First show sold out, so we added a second show. And then Naples. Bunch of shows there. Off the hook, man. Friday, Saturday, Sunday, two shows each day. So those will go.

[Dawson]

Get it all.

[Adam Carolla]

Come on out and say hi, man. Also, go to jeffersonstarship.com say hi to David Freeberg out there touring all over the place. Manuka, honey. Right? Samuelmanuka.com Mayhem so until next time, Adam for David and ma'am saying Mahala, pick.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[Dawson]

Run Forrest.

[Adam Carolla]

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