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Legendary Racecar Driver Bobby Rahal on Dangerous 1980s Races & Hanging with Steve Jobs
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Well, in this episode, racing legend Bobby Rahal joins me. Also, Alicia Krause has the news. We'll do that right after this. Thanks for tuning in to the Adam Carolla Show. You can watch the full show on YouTube just search Adam Carolla show and hit subscribe so you never miss an episode. You can also get the podcast wherever you like to listen. And for extra content, ad free episodes and more, you can head over to our substack and sign up. Today you're listening to this podcast, so I know you've got a curious mind. Here's a helpful fact you might not know yet. Drivers who switch and save with Progressive save over $900 on average. Pop over to progressive.com, answer some questions and you'll get a quick quote with discounts that are easy to come by. In fact, 99% of their auto customers earn at least one discount. Visit progressive.com and see if you can enjoy a little cash back. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates. National average 12 month savings of $946 by new customers surveyed who saved with Progressive between June 2024 and May 2025. Potential savings will vary.
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From Corolla 1 Studios in Glendale, California,
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this is the Adam Corolla Show.
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Adam's guest today, legend Bobby Rahal.
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Plus the news with Alicia Crouse. And now Adam Carolla. Yeah, get it on. Got to get it on. The choice for the get on mandate. Get it on. Thanks for telling a friend. Thanks for sharing. Bobby Rahal, indie legend and racing legend is on now. We made a documentary about Bobby's illustrious racing career. Bobby Rahal, true American racer. My company Chassis Media made it and it's going to be all over Fox Sports. I think it's going to air like 18 times in the month of May leading up to and around Indy and Bobby's probably, I don't know, winning the Indy 500. Good to see you. Bobby is Indy. You know, I'm trying to think if you sort of ranked things, you know, winning the Super Bowl. Well, you win the super bowl, but there's a lot. There's 50 guys on your team. So maybe you're the court, but maybe you're the quarterback. But there's still 11 guys on that side of the ball. I don't know, Indy winning indies got to be up there with, you know, Olympic gold medal, stuff like that.
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Yeah, I mean, I think it's, I mean, obviously there's a team behind you too. You know, they're behind me. I made probably 11, 12 guys at the time. Maybe Maybe a few less, but. But I think that, you know, when I look back and I realize how. I mean, it really changed my life professionally and personally. And I'm not sure there's many event, many sporting events. Maybe the Masters in golf or maybe US Open in tennis or British Open, Wimbledon or something like that, maybe that has the same effect. But I don't think there's any doubt. I mean, as I tell people, you know, I won three championships, which was a lot more difficult to do than winning on that one given day in May in 1986. But I'm never introduced as a three time IndyCar champion. I'm always introduced as the 1986 Indy 500 champion. Oh, yeah, by the way, he won three championships and he won 24 other races. You know, it's kind of. Everything is kind of secondary to the Indy 500, at least in our world. And I just think that it does really change. It changes everything for you.
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Well, you know, I love the road courses, and I feel the same way with nascar. You know, when they're going on the oval, it's all exciting. But I like when they get out to Sonoma and they're kind of mowing through the gears and I kind of. Maybe I'm a snob, but I kind of go, that's where I judge that guy's driving when he's on the road course at Sonoma versus the big oval. Cause, man, when you see Indy and also NASCAR when they get out on those road courses, that to me is where the cream kind of rises to the top in terms of driving. Cause there's just a lot more to do in the car, I would imagine. You tell me no for sure.
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No for sure. You know, that's the way I felt. I mean, I was, you know, I came up through road racing. I was introduced to racing through my father. He raced in, you know, scca, Sports Car Club of America. That was all road courses. I mean, I was probably a little bit. I don't, I wouldn't say obnoxious, but arrogant or, you know, I just felt that road racing guys were better. And, you know, when Mark Donahue won in 1972, you know, I was listening on the radio and I said, yeah, see that Mark Donahue, he's a road racer. He just kicked everybody's butt. And the same thing when Jim Clark, who was my hero, came over and really kind of every 500 he raced, he was really the dominant driver in that event. But having said that, when we went to my first oval race was 1982, my rookie year, and we went to Phoenix, Arizona. And prior to that, I was like, well, that can't be that difficult. All you do is turn left. And I found out very quickly that there's a lot more to it than just turning left. And my first race on an oval was humbling, to say the least. So, yes, I still believe road racing is the ultimate. But going to a race like Indianapolis in particular, the length of it, all the things that can happen during the course of that race, and how you. How you react, how you respond to it, that's a huge challenge in and of itself. And so, you know, I kind of judge the two equally, and they're equally as important and, of course, but from my standpoint as a driver, you know, the Indy 500, everybody knows the Indy 500. And you'd have to say that even those who don't know IndyCar racing per se, around the world, they've heard of the Indy 500. So it just has that level of impact on you in terms of your career.
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Well, also, Indy, when you were doing it and all times before that and times after you were doing it, was a. You know, you could lose your life there pretty quickly. And I think that adds an element. Whereas when you're at Sonoma and someone punts you off the track, you hit a tire barrier or something, you get into the gravel, whatever it is you get out of the car, Indy, it goes wrong. It just goes wrong in a millisecond, and death is right there. Now, I don't even know. The cars you were driving were safer than ones from the 50s and the 60s, but not that much. I mean, they didn't bring that. That much technology into it. They didn't have the halo system and that kind of stuff. So there was plenty. What it may have lacked in pure driving skill, it got ratcheted up real fast because of the you could die out there part of it.
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Well, that. And when I got into it in 82, that was really the. The beginning of the ground effect era in IndyCar racing. And so now, all of a sudden, the speeds were going up. The average speeds on a given lap were going up dramatically. You know, the engines had been reduced in power. The one thing that we didn't have as much in my day as they did prior to that was fire. In the 40s, 50s, 60s, fire, 70s, even. Fire was prevalent in any accident in the 80s because of the ground effect. They put the fuel tanks right behind the driver rather than beside him. And, you know, so, you didn't see as much in terms of fire, the tragedies that happened because of that in previous years. But having said that, you know, really, the structure of the cars, an aluminum monocoque, was no different in 1982 than it was in 1962.
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Right.
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And yet the speeds had gone up tremendously. I think in 82, I think pole was right around 201, maybe 202 miles an hour. And four years later, it's 217 miles an hour. And a few years after that, it's 220 miles an hour. I mean, the speeds really went up and there were no safer walls at the time. It was a concrete wall. And I can assure you, having hit it occasionally, that thing didn't move. And so, you know, I think for me, in my era, there was the risk. Yes, yes, people did die when I was driving, but it was also a big risk in getting hurt pretty dramatically if you hit the wall, especially with the front of the car. And so, you know, it was. I mean, thankfully, that's not the way it is today. It's much safer today than it was in those days. And I'm happy for that for obvious reasons. But, yeah, it was. I told people when I would leave the track after every given day. In those days, you were at the speedway 30 days all the entire month of May, looking for that tenth of a mile an hour or whatever it might be. I always said the grass was greener and the sky was bluer when you left. That really was. I think, for me, at least, that was the truth.
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Well, so a couple things, I went and looked at a Porsche F1 car, the only F1 car Porsche ever built, I think, in 1966, and Dan Gurney drove it. But the seat was basically made from the two gas tanks on the right and the left side of the driver. It was like they molded, they literally. The seat was just a gas tank that you sat on top of a gas tank right and left. And the roll bar, as we were pushing the car out to fire it up, the guy who owned the car said, don't push it by the roll bar. The roll bar bends and Dan Gurney's 6 foot 4, so his head is hanging out well above the roll bar. So yeah, there took. Took some huevos to get in those cars. So I was watching just because I've been getting into it and I would recommend that everyone do this, that go on YouTube and check out the Goodwood Revival races, because that's just some of the best racing ever and an era I don't know. All right, you tell me. And I've seen some of your cars in your collection, and I'm with you. I think people say. They go, well, you just like the music from when you're in junior high, or you just like that car because your dad had one. They do a lot of that. And that's true. It can be true. But there's also better eras for architecture. The 20s and 30s were better than the 70s for architecture, and there's better eras for music. You know, you want to hear Flock of Seagulls, or do you want to hear Led Zeppelin? You know what I mean? Like, there's better eras, and there was better eras of cars. And these 60s Goodwood cars are just awesome.
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Oh, yeah.
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They're driving, and it's. Guys, the people go, you know, you go, I'm doing a vintage race. They go, what is that, some kind of parade lap situation? I go, no, no, it's racing. Is that a celebrity thing? No, it's just race. People race. Has anyone ever anything? Yeah, but you're not going full speed. I go, yes, yes. In Goodwood, they go balls out. And Bobby Rahal, 20 years ago, is driving a Ferrari GTO. A Ferrari GTO today is worth $75 million. Now, at the time Bobby's driving this one, it's probably worth only $40 million, $37 million. It's not. Well, let's put it to you this way. That car you're driving, if a guy put a tweet out back then and said, I'm selling this car for $25 million, he'd get 30 offers in the first 30 seconds from rich people around. So you are driving a car that is a $50 million car, but you're not driving it in any kind of way that seems like you would protect the finish on the car. I mean, you don't try not to hit people, but you're sliding the car. I'm just gonna. I took 30 seconds of you just getting it on in this car. I also know in this race, you got off the track and start sliding across the grass and then pulled up a nice chunk of dirt to get back on the track. But I'll just. It's just 30 seconds. You go to amcroll.com you can.
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Yeah, it's, you know, my first race at Goodwood. I'm in a friend of mine's Ferrari gto, and there were seven of those on the grid, let alone Aston Martins, let alone Jaguar.
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If you bump a car, it's millions of dollars.
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Oh, yeah. And I. I was like, I. I was trying to be as careful as I could because I did not want to put a scratch on that thing. And I came in after the race, and our GTO was the only one that didn't have a dentist. The other six all had body damage. And that's. You know, when you race vintage racing in England and Europe for that matter, I mean, these guys are serious.
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They take $50 million cars, and they trade paint on the track.
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Absolutely. And yet these cars are so much. You can see they're sliding the thing around. I mean, they're on narrow tires, they're fast in a straight line. I mean, they go. They're really quick, but you're just drifting those cars. Every corner is a big drift, and it's just so much fun to drive them. And you can really see why those guys were so good, because they, you know, they didn't have the benefit of wide tires. And, you know, I mean, they were basically street tires, and, you know, and they're. They're driving the hell out of those cars. And to experience that really is special. And I have to tell you, I mean, I probably drove. You know, before you get in the car, you say, okay, now, this is not for real. This is. You know, we're not gonna. Nobody's gonna hire me. You know, it's. There's no prize money at stake. You know, it's just go out and have fun. And of course, the minute you put your helmet on and you get in the car and start it up, they call it the red mist comes over, you just. You just lose all intelligence, and you just want to go. Want to go as fast as you possibly can go. And, I mean, it really is fun, but, boy, it's. Yeah. You really would hate to come back to the pits and tell the owner that you just rolled his car into a ball.
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Well, you know, it kind of reminds me when I used to teach boxing, you know, and I go, oh, you know, spar, but just kind of keep it to half speed or something. It doesn't work. It's just. You're either spar or you don't spar. People. People just go for it. And in racing and in vintage racing, anything. It's human nature. These guys are going to go at it. There is always that thought, or especially when it's your car, you go, I don't want to trailer home my car all balled up. I don't. But then you start the race, and there you go, Then here we are. And the thing that's crazy about Goodwood is. It's a race. So you go, there's six Ferrari GTOs in your race, all total. So in your race, you already have $300 million worth of cars, just worth of GTOs. And by the way, you're not going to get a bargain on one of those Aston Martins. One of those lightweight jags with a lot of history and. Or, you know, I guess you could slum it and get a Cobra for 2 million bucks, but then people look down on you, you know? Yeah. I mean, the cheapest car they got is a Corvette in that race, but that car's got good history, so it ain't cheap either. And these guys are going at it. And I'm just telling you, if you want to see some of the most beautiful cars in the world and you want to see guys really driving the wheels off those cars, I think the Cutoff is like 64, 66, maybe. Go just check out the Goodwood Revival.
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Yeah, 100%. That is by far the best historic race in the world. Lord March, who has the property that the track is based on or is situated on. He's just a wonderful guy, fabulous. You know, a real sportsman and artist. I mean, puts on a hell of a show. I mean, it's like going to, you know, Disneyland for adults. I mean, for a car. Disneyland for adults. Because you see everything there. And. And I mean, everybody gets dressed up like it's 1963. And even the spectators, not just the participants. And so it's really something else to go there. And real quick story. I bring it up because.
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Lloyd.
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Lloyd March. So one year, I was going to drive this Brabham Formula one car that was. That was there. And. And similar to what Dan Gurney drove. Now, Dan was 6 4. I'm like 6. 6ft 6 1. And I get in this fellow's car, and I mean, I can't. I don't fit. I mean, I just. There's no way. And they take the seat out. Now I'm sitting on the tubes, on the chassis itself, tubular frame. And I call up, lord Marks. I say, charles, I said, I'm sorry, but I just don't fit. And I. I just don't, you know, feel right about driving. He goes, oh, please, Bobby, just. Just qualify the car for me. Just qualify it. Oh, okay. You know, whatever you say.
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Whose car is it? Whose car?
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It was a fella named Bob Woodward who was out of Iowa. Unfortunately, I don't think Bob is with us anymore. But. But it was. It was a great car. And, you know, one and a half liter V8 Formula 1 car. And a friend of mine, friend of mine, Duncan Dayton, had a similar Brabham. And so I. I said, okay, I'll qualify. Well, I qualified the car second. I think Duncan was on pole. And so I called Charles up. I said, lord March, I said, okay, I qualified it. You know, I'm sorry, I'm not going to be able to race it. He goes, oh, Bobby, just, please, just for me, you know, just do one lap, you know, do two laps. Yeah, we've advertised the fact that you're here. Okay, well, you're not going to let down Charles March. And our race is in the pouring rain. Of course, I get in the car, put the helmet on. Like I said, the red mist comes over, and the next thing you know is that Duncan and I had a tremendous race, sliding all over the place, and. And Goodwood's a very fast circuit. And so we're in the pouring rain, back and forth, passing, repassing. I mean, it was a great event. He did end up winning, and I was just behind him. But, you know, it gets back to that whole thing about, you know, you just once the. Once you put the helmet on, you're, you know, you just become a race car driver and it's all about going fast.
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Yeah. Lord March called me once. He wanted a Porsche that I own, that you drove for a few seasons. And he wanted it at Goodwood for the hill climb. And I said, sure, but how you gonna. How you getting it there? And he said, I'll fly it over. I'll pay, put it on an airplane, and then you can drive it up the hill climb. I said, okay, well, if you're going to do that, I'll definitely go up the hill. So that car is interesting because that car is having a little resurgence because of the whole Apple livery history to that car. And Porsche has now sort of revisited their Apple roots on their nine. I don't know, six. I'm trying to think of what their new. Their new stuff.
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963. Yeah, 963.
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I was thinking 962. And I was like, no, that's not it. But a 9 6, 9, 6 3. So they. So it's the only car that was ever sponsored by Apple computers. It got sponsored in 1980. Bobby drove it that whole season. And also at Le Mans, right?
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That's correct. Yep.
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Is that the only time you've driven at Le Mans?
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No, I did it two years after that. But frankly, 1980, that car was the most competitive I'd been even beyond that. It was a really great car and unfortunately we burned a piston. They had water in the fuel and we burned a piston and didn't finish. But of course that car had a great history at Le Mans, as you well know, with Paul Newman. And it had a great history period. I mean, we won the Daytona 24 hour race with that car. It wasn't an Apple livery at the time, but it was really an amazing period of time because Apple was just beginning and a lot of people didn't even. No one knew what a personal computer was or who Apple was or whatever. But it had such a great livery. I've got pictures of the car and just still today is really a fabulous looking car. And I think from what I've been told it's the most popular scale model that is made of the 935, whether it's in 143rd or 1 12th or what have you. So it's. Yeah. And of course to see the Porsches at Laguna Seca last weekend in the Apple livery, I have to say I don't think they look quite as good. But that's pretty cool to see Apple back in racing after many, many years.
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Yeah. So the car started off in Hawaiian Tropic and that was the whole Paul Newman part of it. And then the next year went to Apple and people get confused, but I think they shouldn't be that confused. It was painted red for 79 and a sponsor and then they went to another sponsor and they changed the paint and made it. Made it look amazing. But the Apple car, they really took their time. And I think if I remember Garrettson, who had the car and maintained the car and drove the car, was telling me that the Apple computer designer guys showed up to work out all the details of the paint and all the colors and everything like that. I don't know what you know about that.
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No, it's true. I mean, so one of the. One of the head advertising guys for. I believe he's an advertising marketing guys for Apple was the one who first off did the deal with Garretson. And it wasn't a big deal, certainly by today's standards it was minuscule. But, you know, it was a reasonably good deal for Bob Garretson and his team. And they did, they came in and all of that. The way the car, the way the Apple computer car looks. Looks was based on totally on what they had in mind to do. And they came and they said, yeah, we're going to put this color here and that color there and, and yeah, so it was, it was you know, very well done as obviously as a result and very popular. And I think we saw that, we saw that this, this last weekend at Laguna Seca with the factory Porsches, the Penske cars in the Apple livery. You know, my only regret is they didn't bring back the original driver for the weekend. But you know.
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Yeah, you drove it the whole season pretty much. And then the next year it got responsored by Red Roof Inns and your friend Jim Truman.
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That's correct.
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And then you went off with Brian Redman and I think Garretson and one to 24 hours of Daytona, which is if you watch Ford v Ferrari or something like that or actually if you watch the latest, The Brad Pitt F1 movie, that's Daytona. The beginning of the movie's Daytona. There's a few things that are funny. He gets into the car at midnight, gets out of the car at like 3am and goes, don't wake me until we've won. And I'm like, well, I don't know, you know, when that race ends, but I think he'd have to get up and drive another stint probably.
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Yeah, at least, at least. Unless he was that bad. If he was that bad, they wouldn't want him in the car again.
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Like lamas starts at 4 and ends at 4pm the next day. When does Daytona start?
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It starts, it's been starting over the last few years. It's had different start times, but it's generally around 11 in the morning now. You know the big difference between Daytona and Le Mans? You know Le Mans, you're talking June and you're in France and it's only dark about five hours.
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Oh really?
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It doesn't really get dark till 11 o', clock, something like that. And then it's daylight at like 4am whereas Daytona it's dark at like 5, you know, 5:30. And then it doesn't get light till like 67 next morning. So I think Daytona is a much more difficult race for that reason. Plus a lot more traffic. You know, it's not as long as circuit as Le Mans. And you know, Le Mans is really a fabulous, just an amazing racetrack experience, whatever you want to call it. And not that Daytona's not, but it's a big difference between the two races. And I think Le Mans is really, frankly I think Le Mans is a more enjoyable race.
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Le Mans because it's, I don't know, seven point something miles and you don't have to get up on that bank and it's not so crowded because it's crowded because they will let at Daytona they'll be like, you know, a almost stock MG with a roll bar in it there. And the guys coming up on them are approaching really, really fast. And it gets, you know, a little hairy when guys are coming up. It's hairy for the guy in the MG and it's hairy for the guys coming up. It's hairy for everybody.
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I wouldn't want to be the guy in the mg. I mean, when I, when we ran Daytona, it did not have the chicane in the back straight. So it was straight all the way to the east banking. So you were flat out for probably half the track or almost half the track. And the difference in speed between the various cars was pretty tremendous. Same thing kind of holds true at Le Mans. Of course, when I drove Le Mans, the Mulsanne straight, they didn't have the chicanes that they have there now. So same thing, you're at 200 miles an hour, kind of flat out for a minute or so and you're passing guys in 911 Porsches and they're going 140 maybe and they think they're going fast and you go buy them at 200 plus. And it's a wake up call for those guys for sure.
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Yeah. Also headlight technology has come a long way. A long way. And the stuff those guys were running at Le Mans, you know, in the 80s, we forgot about the 80s, the 50s, the 60s. I mean, they didn't have great illumination. You didn't see that far out in front of you.
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No, no. And you know, at Le Mans when you're going down the Mozanne straight, it's probably better today. But in 80 with the apple car, it rained a lot that race. And I remember I was at night driving and it's pouring rain and you can't tell these shadows whether this is a shadow in the track or whether it's a puddle.
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Right.
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And, and boy, you don't want to be hitting a puddle at 200 miles an hour without being, you know, really, you know, sure that you're, you know, you trying to figure out how you're going to get through that, all that rainy area as best you can. So it was, it was very deceiving in those days. And of course, you know, if you really want to find out, you know, look at the guys who are brave. It's the ones who went to Le mans in the 60s and the four GTs and have you going 200 plus miles an hour there and there were no guardrails, no nothing. It was just trees. And you know, one of those things, ignorance is bliss, I guess. But it sure makes it even more exciting to watch to see those guys really in some respects court death but you know, court the risks that were inherent at the time. And they, many of them managed to beat those wrists. So pretty exciting racing.
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Yeah. So you got to race F1 a little bit. You'll learn from the doc your dad raced. And back when you would just drive the car to the track race and drive it home. The thing I was thinking about, I have a question that only you can answer. Possibly not only you, but there's only about 10 guys on the planet who might be able to answer. I am thinking about taking that 935 and putting it back in Apple livery. I think that's what I want to do. And I thinking right now, the interior of the car, which is just a gutted 911 or 935, you know, it's just a shell as you know, there's no carpet or interior or anything. It's all metal, but it's red. It's red because the car's red. But I'm guessing when you drove it it was white on the interior. But I don't know because sometimes they just do the outside of the car. They don't really, you know, they're not entering it in shows. So if you got a red 935 basically just tub as they would call it, and you wanted to sponsor it by Apple or the next year, red roof in or whatever it is, you wouldn't take all the time and expense to probably paint the inside of the car. You might just leave it.
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Yeah, well, later on, you know, probably not. I'm trying to think now that you brought that up. I'm trying. I think that. I think the Apple car was white on the inside. I think so. I think so. Because you know, when they paint those, the chassis, you know, there's nothing to paint in the inside too. Yeah, there wasn't a lot to those cars, but I'm pretty sure that when it was blue the next year for when we won Daytona in 81, I'm pretty sure that the. That the interior was black, the floor and everything else.
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Oh, really Interesting.
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Yeah.
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Well, when we won, we won an 81. You know, today all the drivers have motorhomes and you know, and they have four drivers, generally four or five for Daytona, certainly minimally four. So consequently, you know, if they're doing two hour stints, the guy who starts, he doesn't drive for another six, six hours or so. So, you know, you probably get a chance to rest and, you know, maybe get a, maybe get a little bit of sleep. When I drove, there was three of us, obviously, and, but there was no motor home. My motorhome was the backseat of my rental car. And you know, Daytona more often than not is always cold. End of January, you know, north Florida. I mean, it's not very rarely, is it really nice. And God, I remember, you know. And of course our 935 had a distinct exhaust note. And so I'm in the back of the car trying to stay warm, trying to get some rest. And it was kind of like counting sheep. Every, you know, I'd hear the car go by and then you'd stay up and wait till you hear it again. And you'd hear it again. Well, I mean it was, I had, I think it was the graveyard shift. I had like a 5am till 7am shift. And I mean I was starting to get tired at like 5, 5:30. And all of a sudden I saw the horizon start to come up, the sun start to come up over the east banking. And it was like getting a shot of adrenaline all of a sudden it was like, okay, we made it through the night. And that's, that was the toughest thing. And so we managed to make it through the race without much sleep. But I can tell you, when we had our victory dinner that night, I think my head was in my plate pretty quickly. I mean it was, it was an exhausting race. But you're up not just 24 hours, but you're really up for about 10 to 12 hours prior to that. So it's 36 hours that you're not getting any sleep or rest to speak of.
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A
Yeah, I never really thought about it. They go, oh, it's a 24 hour race. Or you're up 24 hours, but you're not really up 20. You're up way before the race starts. So you gotta tack that on. And I don't know, people are weird with sleep. They just like, people say to me all the time, you know, oh, you gotta get up at 4 in the morning, you got the early flight, got the two shows in Detroit. You just sleep on the plane. Yeah, I don't, I sleep on my stomach, I'm six foot two and I sleep on my belly. So don't tell me to sleep on the. By the way, when I'm sleeping at home, I have a guy elbowing me saying he's gotta use the bathroom. I can sleep, yes, I could sleep at home, but no, I'm not gonna sleep on this plane. And especially if you're in the middle, you know, where you gotta, you have this whole adrenaline dump. And then you get out of the car and they go, now go to bed. It's like, no, I can't go to bed.
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B
That's right. I was just gonna bring that up is, you know, you're operating on adrenaline and yeah, you might eat a little bit, but you're mainly, you're just up and you know, you're. And of course, you know, an hour before you're to get into the car, you have to be in the pits just in case the guy you're succeeding, I know, falls ill or whatever, and he needs to get out of the car earlier than planned. So you're kind of always on, I wouldn't say pins and needles, but you're always. You gotta be ready.
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A
It's the other fake part about all those movies. Whether it be they did it with the F1 movie, Brad Pitt at the beginning at Daytona in a Porsche. And they also kind of did it in Ford v Ferrari where they go like, hey, get up, it's time to go. And the guy goes and he starts. He's putting his helmet on as the car's pulling into the pit. It's like I would assume he's there. Well before somebody went to go wake him up. Well before the car was actually pitting.
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B
That's right. Yeah, for sure. For sure. And, you know, and some of these guys now are driving, you know, three four hour stints in the middle of the night. That, that gives the team then the ability to take their, maybe their, you know, their star driver and he can drive three or four hours at the end of the race, which could be of an advantage. So, yeah, I don't know how these, you know, of course we drove two, three hours, but the cars weren't as fast as they are today. You know, it's just in those days, my days, it was all about keeping the thing alive and, you know, making. Being careful with the car, trying to go as fast as you could go, but still minimizing the demands on the car. Because the cars in those days, you know, they didn't have the. They didn't have the, I guess the technology today where, you know, the car shifting by itself pretty much. The brakes are much better. I mean, you name it. And in my day, it was definitely. You had to baby it and take care of it.
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A
So when you were taking that Apple car, we have to think about Apple in 1980. I mean, where were we in 1980? I was in high school and I didn't know what Apple was. And I guess if I had seen that car, I wouldn't have been sure what it was advertising. Certainly maybe in Europe. I don't know that people in Europe would know what Apple was in 1980. But what was it like here around Watkins Glen and places like that, like in the United States.
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B
Well, I think, as I said, I think some people, I mean, it was becoming more and more of a name, but it was still small potatoes. And I remember Steve Jobs went to the Sebring race with us. In fact, he and I spent the night at the Orlando airport, which isn't anywhere close to the way it is today because we had like early morning flights and like on the park bench sleeping and, you know, I'm not sure why he was there, frankly. Maybe somebody said, hey, we're sponsoring a race car. You ought to, you know, you ought to go see it.
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A
That's the 12 Hours of Sebring.
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B
Right.
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A
Which that car ended up winning in another livery later on.
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B
Yeah, that's a very famous car. Yeah, we won 24 hour one Sebring, as you just mentioned. And the fact that Paul Newman, they won their class, he was second overall at Le Mans. I mean, that car had a lot of success for a 935 or, you know, a 911 based GT car. And so, yeah, that car, a lot of notoriety to that car and really historic in terms of Porsche racing.
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A
So Steve Jobs is. You're doing the 12 hours of Sebring, the big three. It's, you know, it's 24 hours of Le Mans, 24 hours of Daytona, and then 24 hours, 12 hours of Sebring and sort of that's kind of the pecking order for endurance racing. So you're doing Sebring, it's just in Florida and Jobs comes out there.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And you guys are chatting.
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B
Yeah, not much.
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A
What was your impression of him?
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B
Seemed like a good guy, nice guy. He didn't say a lot, actually. You know, I think he had a Porsche maybe at the time. And of course, Garretson Enterprises, who was the team? They were in Mountain View, which is very close, not far from Cupertino. And as I say, you know, there was a lot, you know, in those days, the crowd where Silicon Valley was just starting to, you know, it was in the beginnings of what it became today, what it's become today, I guess. And so you had a lot of these guys, young guys with money buying Porsches and Garretson was a pretty famous place. So there was a lot of excitement at the time in that part of the country towards motor racing. And sports car racing was always pretty popular in that area. So, you know, there was a lot of other guys that, you know from other computer companies or what have you, high tech companies that were out there enjoying either the Cars or motoration or both.
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A
Yeah, I'm trying to think, Dawson, you can look it up. When was the big Apple computer commercial where the woman threw the sledgehammer basically through the big screen and woke everyone up? Because that was after 1980, I'm guessing. And that was about that as well. But that was about the time people got on to Apple, zeitgeist wise, you know, nationally. So if you're five years before that, that's like I said, a little confusing almost.
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B
Yeah, it was a best kept secret in a lot of respects in 1980.
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A
Yeah, 84. So this is a full four years before that commercial that really put Apple, super bowl commercial, that kind of put Apple on the map. So there had to be a lot of people going, that's a really beautiful looking car. But what's Apple? Also, it was kind of fun. They were a little bit nuts. Those cars back then had these wheel fans and the wheel fans I think people think is there. It's like a hubcap with fan blades on it. And people think it's to draw in cold air to cool the brakes, but it's really there to throw out hot air that the brake is creating, which is good. And cars used them and other people in the day. Their 935Apple's the only one that had a different color for everyone.
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B
Yeah, that was, and that's. That was a. You know, it was really genius because it really made the car look even better. You know, it wasn't over the top. It was, it just enhanced the, the design, I think. And of course the multicolored stripes, the apple, you know, apple colors, as I say, you know, it was even in black and white. I have black and white photographs of that car during the day. And even in black and white it really was. And usually when you take something in black and white, that pretty much kills it. But yeah, it was really well done. And as I say, I think today it's the most popular 935 model that's being produced. And I think for the most part it's because it's Apple and it's because of the design.
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A
I gotta hit you up for some of those photos.
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B
No problem.
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A
Because when you put a car back, it's kind of weird because you study photos and you try to figure out, you go, well, why is it different here, though? It ran this way at Le Mans, but it was number nine when they ran it back here, they changed a number and they changed this and they changed that. It's a little bit different, you know, and you go. You have to really become like a little bit of a detective with all the little stickers and little lights and things, you know, that they would run in different races, right?
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B
Yeah. Well, one advantage to do that today is many of the crew, and they were mainly volunteers, but most of the crew are still with us and are still very active in the sport. A lot of them were based with maybe other. One was an IBM sales guy that was there every race. I mean, these guys were. They were weekend warriors, but they were smart, they were experienced. They knew Porsches. They're great mechanics, aside from what else they were doing in their real life. And. And they're still around, and they've got great records. I mean, these guys took copious records about just all aspects of it. The guy who built the engines, guy named Jerry woods, he's still around and he comes to the races a lot. And we talk. All we do is talk about the 935 days. And so, yeah, if you ever have a question, the guys are out there to pretty much answer any question you might have
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A
in the doc about Bobby's life. We touch on the sort of tragic Jim Truman story, which I knew from doing the Willie T. Doc because Willie T. Ribs got also sponsored and helped out by Jim Truman, who is a racer, but he was a businessman, and he started Red Roof Inns. And when you see the car that won Daytona with Bobby driving, it's sponsored by Red Roof Inns. And Willie tells the story of him being kind of a savior for him, helping him out and then staying alive pretty much just long enough to see you win Lamont, sorry, Indy, which, you know, had to be, you know, bittersweet. But that guy seems wildly interesting to me.
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B
He was a phenomenal, you know, phenomenal guy. You know, it's funny when you get people who work for him or if we all get together, you know, and next thing you know, you're all talking about Jim. I mean, he had this. He had this magnetism, maybe I guess you'd call it to him that drew people in and his goals. He was great at motivating people. Yes, he sponsored me, but he sponsored many. Willie T. For example. But there were other drivers that he sponsored. I mean, he sponsored a guy that went to try to qualify for the Winter Olympics and the bobsled at Sarajevo. Guy from Cleveland just showed up on his doorstep one day and convinced him that he could qualify for the Olympics. And off they go. They got a sled and Jim goes to Sarajevo, same thing. There was a bike race Called Race Across America. He sponsored a guy, I think his name is Mike Secrest, I believe, and he won it a couple times, and Jim was the motivating factor to that. So, yeah, Jim was. I mean, for me, he took on very different roles depending on the situation. He was a friend, he's a mentor, he was a disciplinarian. He, you know, he. He was a guy that just really loved to see people take advantage of an opportunity, as he did when he was growing up. And. And so there's many of us, whether they're in racing or in business, that can say that, you know, God knows where we'd be without Jim Truman. And it was just such a shame for him to pass and to really not be able to enjoy the victory, you know, 10 days after the race.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But as I said, he died a happy man because, you know, his goal, his dream was to win the Indy 500, and we did it for him.
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A
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's very poetic. Like, I mean, literally. Also, he was such a big, good looking, strapping, athletic guy that once he was riddled with cancer, become a shell of himself, and you could really see that he was struggling just to make it to the track and stand next to you. And it had to be a bizarre moment where you realize two things simultaneously. You just won the Indy 500, and you have another win week or so on this planet to enjoy that memory. And he knew it. And that just is so bittersweet. And then there's Letterman. Rahal Letterman, still alive, but with a beard. How did you hook up with Letterman and start. And you guys have won some. You've won Indy, obviously. Yes, in 04, in 2020 with Letterman. Now, Letterman's an in. Is a native of Indiana. I get his connection. And you've won Indy, so that makes sense. How did that come about?
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B
Well, it came about because, if you remember, he always had a guy on the show named Jack Hanna. And Jack Hanna was the Columbus Zoo director. And Jack was crazy, as, you know, as David was. And so he said to Jack, and interestingly, Jack was Graham's godfather, and Jack was.
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A
Hold on. Graham's your son who does Indy racing as well. Just for people.
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B
Right. And so anyway, Dave. Jack was on the show one night, and he said, you know, I'd really like to meet Bobby Rahal. And Jack said, well, you know, we're neighbors, so I can. We can get that done. So next thing you know, I'm flying to New York to go on the show that year in 86 and you know, I didn't know Dave was from Indy. I didn't know that he was into racing, you know, big time, particularly IndyCar racing. But the longer, you know, the more I got to know him. It was easy to understand why, because he, you know, every kid in Indiana, Indianapolis, the 500 was the only game in town in those days, in the 60s and what have you. And so for a young person growing up in Indiana, let alone Indianapolis, going to the speedway for practice or going for the race was, you know, that was. Everybody wanted to do that and Dave was no different. And so anyway, we developed a friendship and then I used to race at the. We used to race indycars at the Meadowlands sports complex. So every time. Yeah, so every time I, we went there, I called Dave. I go over and see him. Maybe we'd go have dinner and one day he said to me, hey, if you're ever looking for a partner, let me know. I'd be interested. And so in 1995, I called him up and I said, well, remember. Remember what you said? Yeah. And I said, well, now's, now's the time if you, if you're serious. And so I said, where do I sign? So we've been partners now for over. It'll be over 30 years so far.
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A
He's in the DOC as well. Yeah, yeah. Going back kind of. I don't know if you've seen the finished product yet.
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B
I've not seen any of it.
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A
You come across smelling like a rose.
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B
That's good to know.
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A
We left out all this dirty stuff like.
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B
Thank you.
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A
Yeah, well, you know, getting back to Paul Newman, it's kind of. There is precedent for this. You know, Newman raced the cars. He raced a 935 and. Same car you raced. And then at some point got into Indy with Haas and became a really successful. Had a really successful indie team as well. I don't know other examples other than, you know, Letterman and Newman, but I'm trying to think if there are other sort of celebrity hooks up with driver builder.
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B
Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah. James Garner was into racing big time. He had his own team. He actually did some off road racing himself. But he was very. I spent. He spent a lot of time in, in motor racing. I used to drive. He drove the pace car to India on more than one occasion. Great guy.
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A
Rockford files.
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B
Yeah, yeah, Rockford files. Great guy. And there were a few other. I'm trying to think now, but there have been others.
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A
Oh, sorry. Michael Jordan. Yeah, I forgot.
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B
And nascar. Yeah, for sure.
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A
Yeah. It's kind of interesting though. But yes, you're right, Michael Jordan. Or I'm right, Michael Jordan, but he's also from the sports world, but he's a huge celebrity. So I guess it's kind of both. But I'm trying to think of.
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B
Well, there was a guy just passed away, regrettably, a nice fellow named Bobby Carradine.
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A
Oh, sure.
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B
And he raced for a bit back. This would have been, this would have been early 80s, probably somewhere in the late 70s, early 80s.
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A
But they're, you know, sprawling. I mean I've, I know, I listen, I have Steve McQueen, I have. Yeah, but you're just talking about celebrities who drove. I'm talking about owned teams. I have a part ownership in a Ferrari 308 that has the names Clint Eastwood, Gene Hackman. Also has, let's see, Clint, Jean. It has forementioned Rockford, James, Rock profiles. Right.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I'm trying to think there's one more name on that. But they all. Oh, Newman, sorry, Newman's on there. So you got Newman, you got new. Oh, whatever. I'm having a brain fart, but I'm getting old too. But you have Hackman and Newman and. God. Well, I think I'll find a picture of it. There's a picture. You know what I'll find. You know what to put in. Put in Porsche, sorry. Ferrari transport, Paul Newman, Gene Hackman and James Garner. We'll see what comes up. Because I can't remember, there's a fourth name on there that you'll go, oh yeah, yeah, that guy. But yeah, those guys. Look, I mean it goes back to James Dean and probably before that people had money, they wanted to now wanted to go racing, you know, and, and have fun and they used to call them gentlemen racers.
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B
Yeah, well, you know, you, you look at indy in the 50s, they. Clark Gable. Yeah, would be there. A lot of actresses, you know, famous actresses of the time would, would be there. I mean it was a, it was a big attraction, the race itself and of course when those people showed up, it made it even more special and you know, for the spectators and everybody. So. Yeah, and it continues today. You know, you get a lot of personalities coming to the races because it's just such a dynamic atmosphere and everybody enjoys it.
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A
Yeah. For those who haven't been to Indy, you don't need to be interested in open wheel racing or Indy cars or, you know, or any racing. You just go there for the complete and utter spectacle of it. I mean, I, you know, I think it's probably like the Kentucky Derby. I don't know how many people go there because they really love horse racing and they're there just because it's a crazy event and that's fine. It's to be. To be experienced.
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B
It's the place to be, you know, on that given day, that weekend, that's where you want to be. And. And yeah, what a race they saw this year. Right. But yeah, it's. And it's like Indy. You know, they go to the infield in the Kentucky Derby and people don't know there's a horse race going on. Same thing holds true in Indy. You know, there's a lot of people in the infield that, you know, oh, there's a race. So it's.
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A
Yeah, well, they've been drinking.
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B
Crazy world.
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A
They've been drinking since 6am too. But at least it's. It's an event. There's not many sporting events that get 300, 350,000 people to. To the event. I think James Brolin. Wait, what'd you type in, Dawson? Let's see if I can find a picture of that thing. But I think James Brolin is the. Tell me what you typed in. Let's see if I can find a picture of that transport I typed in for. Oh, there it is. Yeah.
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B
Paul Newman, Gene Hackman.
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A
Yeah, look at that. There it is. Now, let me see the names.
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B
I knew Brolin drove a little bit.
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A
Oh, yeah. Brolin was in here telling me Clint Eastwood, James Brolin, Gene Hackman. Yeah, those are the names on this transport.
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B
Yeah, there you go.
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A
The. Yeah, Brolin was telling me he was in here driving 12 hours of Sebring and hit a pig.
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B
Oh, really?
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A
Running across the track. You know, things were a little more Wild Westy back then.
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B
Oh, yeah.
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A
You know what I mean? You can get rid of the picture. It was just driving me nuts. Let me give you a plug. Bobby. Bobby Rahal, true American racer. We produced this. But listen, we make good racing docs. You do? I would humbly say.
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B
You do. I saw the Ford Ferrari dock. You did? I thought that was fabulous. You know, the Willie T dock. I thought that was done really well. I mean, you know, very, very well done.
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A
You know, it's weird, I was saying to somebody the other day, I go, you know, when I first started doing these racing docs, it was me and then guys that were in the production business, but not in the car business. And so we'd see stuff and they'd go, we got a picture of Daytona. Cause there's A part where he says he did the 24 hours of Daytona. I'm like, that's Daytona, the NASCAR race. Those are all American cars. That's not the 24 hours of Daytona. Go, get rid of that picture. And they go, you said Daytona. Now they can tell the engine sounds and they can tell which one's which. Cause back then, I'd go, the one guy's in a 250 Ferrari, the other guy's in a GT40. The other guy's in a Scarab or something. And they go, what? I don't know what. They'd hold up the pictures. It's the Ferrari, you know, but now they're all. They're all after so many docs. They're all kind of tuned up.
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B
Yeah, that's good. That's good.
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A
So you are the recipient of that because I didn't have to explain
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C
just
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A
the wrong engine sound or the wrong car with the wrong thing, you know. But now, now everyone's an expert, so.
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B
Yeah, well, you know, I think it's. I'm. I'm obviously super flattered. And little did I know when I started racing many years ago that I'd be at this point, but, you know, it's been a thrill. I've been very fortunate. And as I tell people, my, you know, my avocation was my vocation. And I don't know many people who can make that claim, you know, that what they're doing to make a living is what they love doing. Doing the most. And so it's been a great ride and still is, by owning your own teams. Although I have to say, I think being a driver is a lot more fun than being an owner. But it's still great to be involved.
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A
Yeah, I feel the same way. As a podcaster, I get to do what I always dreamt of doing. Bobby, always good to talk to you.
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B
Thank you.
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A
Say hi to Graham.
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B
I will.
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A
And I'll hit you up for some of that old. Some of those old photos of that Apple car as I start investigating it.
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B
Sounds good. Sounds good.
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A
The great Bobby Rahal, everybody. And all over the month of May, you can watch this very, very nice stock on him. And it'll be on fox Sports starts May 8, 7:30pm Eastern Time. All right, let's see. We'll take a break. We'll do some news with Alicia Krause right after this. Thanks, Bobby. Aura. Wow. You gonna get your mom flowers this Mother's Day, or do you want to give her something she'll like? She fed you for 18 years. The least you can do is make her special day actually special. And that's why this Mother's Day, you should get her an aura frame. I mean, the technology's amazing. Aura is the world's smartest digital frame. They have free unlimited storage, so you can add as many photos and videos as you want and you can preload photos before it ships. So now she opens her gift and it's got all the great photos on there. Keep adding from anywhere at any time. Let's make Mother's Day special. And I love my aura frame, by the way. It's right up front of my shop. All the great guests I've had over the years, let's make a special this year with aura frames. Right, Dawson, Named number one by Wirecutter. You can save on the gifts mom loves by visiting auraframes.com for a limited time. Listeners can get 25 off their best selling Carver mat frame with code Corolla. That's a U R A frames.com promo code Corolla. Support the show by mentioning us at checkout. Terms and conditions apply. Oh, oh, oh. O'Reilly Auto Parts. Yeah. Mm. What business are they in? The business of keeping your car on the road. There are not many issues I can't figure out. It has to do with cars. But if I'm stumped, I always go to O'Reilly immediately. They've got thousands of parts in stock, either in store or online. You never have to worry if you're in a jam, they'll get you out of that jam. They'll also test your battery for free. And if it needs to be replaced, they'll help you find the right one for your car. So whether you're a car aficionado or an auto novice, you'll see the employees at O'Reilly Auto Parts are helpful and friendly. O'Reilly is your one stop shop for all things auto. Do it yourself. It is O'Reilly, am I right? Dawson? Stop by O'Reilly Auto Parts today or visit us@o'reillyauto.com Adam that's o'reillyauto.com Adam Him. It's time to check Adam's voicemail.
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B
Ace man. This is Justin Beautiful Poconos. I just heard Donald Trump is thinking about changing the name of ice. You know what?
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A
Too nice.
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B
Did you guys have a private conversation or is this just another one of your being into the future?
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A
Have a good day, buddy.
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B
Take care.
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A
You can leave us a message at 888-634-1744. No, it's me seeing into the future. But, you know, you'll. You can see into the future, and you can sort of see how stuff's gonna work out. You know, you go like, we gotta defund the police. Well, let me look into the future just a little bit and see how that's gonna work out. You know, what if these junkies had a safe place to shoot up and we gave them free needles and free heroin? Then we could solve the problem of. Okay, let me look into the future just a little bit. Well, if we just lower the test scores for certain groups of kids so they could get. Let me look into the future. Let's see. So most this stuff is pretty doable. Some is a little more difficult, like ICE and nice. But you can kind of predict the future if you just.
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C
You did it a long time before that influencer we talked about, she stole it like eight years later.
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A
Yeah, yeah. I got. I think we figured out November 2018 was my first.
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C
Wow.
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A
Oh, wait a minute. Andrew says, was it 2019?
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C
Oh, still. Long time before that chick.
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A
Yeah, yeah, it was November. November 2018. Yeah, I remember where I was. I was on stage.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Yeah. All right, so you got what?
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C
Got some news here. All right, did you see any of the photos or images or videos?
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We have the video. We have the audio of the. Yeah. All right, go ahead and. Go ahead and you can play. Hold on. I'm on stage in Anaheim at the Grove doing a live podcast. Go ahead. It's also weird that the immigration enforcement guys are just called ice. Wasn't that the name of the bad pilot in Top Top Gun? I. I just feel like we should give him a name like Nice instead of ice. You know what I mean? I feel like Rachel Maddow would back off a little bit. So I don't know how you remember
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where you were when you said all these things.
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Well, there was.
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You travel a lot and you say a lot of new things.
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Yes.
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So how do you come.
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Because there was a controversy to that one.
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Yeah.
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Where I said, oh. I said nice the next day or whatever. And Ball Bryant, who's up on stage, said to me, no, that was min. I said that? And I said, I don't think you said it. I said it.
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And he said, roll the tape.
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He said, I absolutely said it. And I said, well, I run into a lot of that in my life. And normally there's no tape running, but I said, we can check the tape because it was a live podcast that aired.
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Do you ever wish that California wasn't a two Party consent state when it came to recording. And you could just walk around all the time and record every conversation, every
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argument I've ever had with a woman. I wish I was rolling on not. Not to make them wrong to hear their revised version of what happened.
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Oh.
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Because women change the actual exchange, which is an interesting thing. Guys will do it too.
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I think men do it too.
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Women do it a lot more than men. They tell a totally different version of what just happened.
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But I. Gavin Newsom, I mean, he's the king male version.
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Well, he's lying. The women aren't lying. They're doing.
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They have a different narrative in their head of how they've felt something happened.
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People do a.
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More.
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People are very generous with themselves, and they then do versions that don't necessarily resemble the truth, but it resembles them being the sort of good player in this play that they're casting. And sometimes they go hard. Dr. Drew will do that. He'll go, I'm walking through the airport. This woman comes barging across the airport screaming in my face. Okay, she wasn't screaming in your face, Drew. She didn't. You know, she disagreed with you on whatever it is you. Whatever, but she didn't start screaming in your face. You know, people. People do that. They use, like, hyperbole. And they usually. Whatever it is they do, it benefits them.
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I think that's human nature for sure.
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Yes, women do it more.
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I mean, you do sometimes use hyperbole when you're like, I've told everybody a thousand times not to talk to you.
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I know you disagree. I know you're disagreeing, but women do it more. Just like Spirit Airline attracts a cheaper group who flies. These are just things. I'm not saying no millionaire's ever flown Spirit, and I'm not saying any guys never made some up. I said women do it more.
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Do you think they.
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Or they do it, or we do it exactly the same amount, or men do it more? Like, you gotta pick one.
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So given that you like to bring up when I should talk on your point, do you only. Do you tend to save the more negative moments with people or the more positive moments with people? Because I think that this is a difference between men and women, too.
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You can. I will be swayed by both. My positive moments are usually people doing the right thing when no one is watching. That's when I find myself having the most positive thoughts about people. There's little weird symbolic things that can be almost a zero burger, but they kind of say everything you need to say about the person. And how they conduct themselves or what kind of person they are. I have found that there's a lot. I was surprised by how many adults had some sort. Sort of weird relationship with the truth. You know what I mean? And like, what is. Like, I've had arguments, you know, just simple stupid stuff. Like we were just talking to Bobby Rahal. I had an argument with an old friend of mine where I just went, there are two famous. There's some iconic F1 cars from the past. One of them is the John Player special. It's this black F1 car that had all this gold trim on it. It just looked spectacular. And everyone loved the John Player Special. The other one was a Elf sponsored blue car, but it had. It was a six wheel F1 car.
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I don't know what any of these
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things are, but you know what six wheels are, right?
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No, I know. No, I'm like nodding my head.
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You know what an F1 car is, right? Yeah, yeah. But you know that four wheels.
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Yeah. How come it had a six wheel?
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This had six wheels.
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Interesting.
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They had two wheels. Had four wheels in the front for like traction or something. They ran a whole season on six wheels.
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Wow.
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And anyway, my friend Donnie, he said, just like that famous John Player special with the six wheels. And I said, that was an Elf car, Donny. And he said, no, that was a John Player special. I said, John Player special was a Lotus. It was its own car. It was four wheels. It's iconic. And then there's the Elf blue car with six wheels. Jody Schechter drove it. And he goes, no, no, no, no. It was the John Player special had six wheels. I said, well, there's good news. Now we have computers. So we kept putting in googling John Player special six wheel. And of course, the Elf car would be the only car that would ever come up. And then John player specials with 4Wh would come up and I'd go, well, after searching for 20 minutes and not finding anything, just what I said, I said, well, I think we've settled this and I'm right. And he said, it's not over.
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Stop.
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Right, well, okay. That's the adults I've come across my whole life now. They're delusional. I don't know who they're talking to. I know it's over. By the way, I knew it was over before we fired up the computer because I remember these things.
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Thank God for Google. I can prove myself right.
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That I knew. But I don't. A lot of people don't work that Way more and more people. I think. I think it's because we got off the farm. On the farm, you can't think that way. You get killed. You can't make shit up. You get killed, you have to do stuff.
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They say, though, it is interesting over time how eyewitness accounts. When it comes to criminal trials, eyewitnesses are less and less reliable because they'll be like, what was the man wearing? Or what color was the car?
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Oh, it's not even. It's weird that we're even. The more you hear about people's versions of everything. I don't even know if we should rely on any eyewitnesses anymore. Like, it's insane. Oh, I know.
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What.
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Hold on. Rely on me. I will tell you what happened. No one else.
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You'll be like the Minority Report testimonial. Like, they'll just call you up for all of the crimes. I'll tell you why I knew what happened before it happened.
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Because people. People factor themselves in way too much. And once you start factoring yourself in, then we got an issue like a delusion. I heard a guy talking on the radio the other day, and he goes, I'm really bummed out. I got divorced. My wife. My wife went and sold the house out from under me. First you go, how do you just sell a house when someone else's name is on or whatever? Sold the house from under me. I was out for 10 days. She did a short sale. Next thing I know, house gone. She got all the money. Nothing I can do. The host goes, she sold the house out from under you. Like, I wish I could have done that when I got divorced, but you can't do it. And he goes, yeah. He goes, well, why was the house. Wasn't in your name, too? No, no, in my wife's name. The host goes, oh, well, why did you just put your house in your wife's name? And he goes, yeah, well, you know, she had it before the marriage. And I'm like, oh, so it was her house? Yeah, so it was her house. Okay. That's different than this. Yes, in his mind, something different.
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Because everybody wants to be.
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He wants the house, but it's not his house.
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So I think all humanity, we either want to be the victim of our own story or the hero of our own story. And so it's. If in that case, it makes him look bad to admit that she was the breadwinner that had the house.
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Well, he wants half the money from
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the house, and he's playing the victim.
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Yeah, and he somehow wants that money, but not me. I'm not in my own story. That's the way you gotta. You have to remove yourself from the story. And then you can tell the story accurately. But you cannot tell the story accurately if you're in the story. Okay, you can be an empire at a Little League game, but if your kid is pitching, it's tough. You have to umpire as if your kid isn't pitching, even if your kid is pitching. And that is hard for people to do. Very difficult. Because that's their boy.
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They're invested.
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Yeah.
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Invested in it.
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News.
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All right. News. Did you watch any of the Met Gala? Did you see any of the coverage in the footage? And some fabulous and some horrific outfits.
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I saw it. I mean, now, I guess people are just sort of mad, make fun of it, but they kind of lean into it. But it's like we are. It's garish and kind of gross and obscene and a waste of money. But then you got AOC with their tax the rich dress on. Except for you're at a thing where everyone pays 100 grand to get into it. Whatever. I mean, we're living in a weird. It's kind of an Lady. It is an LA thing, and it's almost. Not an LA thing, but, I mean, we're just getting to be a national thing. And it's almost sort of medieval in that. You can drive. You can be where I am, and you can look, walk. I walk by Larry Ellison's house, which is on a triple lot. It is Larry Ellison, isn't it? Yeah, he's got a.
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The one that owns Lanai.
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Yeah, he's got $250 million house. It's right there. And then you get in your car and you drive in. You see just people living in filth and campers and the slop on the street, bent over and stuff. And you're like, well, it doesn't get much further apart than these two things. And they're right here, and they're at the same time, and they're. They're simultaneously in the same place. You have the poorest of the poorest of the poor, and then the richest of the richest of the rich. And when I was coming up, there were rich people and poor people, but it seemed like a lot more middle people. And now it's a lot of just Met Ball methods, Met Gala stuff, and then just super, like, biblical porn. Struggle, struggle. Like, literally on the street.
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Do you think that some of that, though, is like. So people. Everybody's been like, Flashback to the Met gala from the 80s when tickets were like $98 and, you know, celebrities and stuff still went, but it was much more high fashion or even kind of like streetwear fashion that like, you could relate to. It wasn't this, this pomp and circumstance and fashion is art, weird costumes that people do. But do you think that part of it is because. Well, this time around there's some controversy because Jeff Bezos was the sponsor and some people were pissed about him and Lauren Sanchez.
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I don't. To me, when they get into optics stuff all the time, people go, you gotta understand the optics. I'm always like, I don't know, there's rich people, they do what they want, I don't care. But what about the poor people? It's like, there's poor people, but what do you think what's going on in
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the Middle east now because of one, politics and two, the Internet?
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Yeah, I guess. And also everyone just has to sort of have an opinion about everything all the time. But I don't even know how much they care really. I mean, I really don't. The Met Ball, I look at stuff like that and I just go, no, not for me. And then I move on. But I feel that way on college campus. When the speaker's gonna come in and talk about the indigenous tribes that were in the SouthW 200 years ago, I go, not interested. Not interested. But then I like car racing shit. So I'll just go to that.
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I'm just like, me are like, not interested.
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Right. But I don't go. Boycott the speaker, the shaman that comes into Berkeley to talk about the southwest tribes. That's the only difference. I'm not gonna go take a bottle of urine and chuck it at the guy. I'm just gonna stay home. And that's the difference. We used to just stay home. But this woman you're talking about, what?
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So I'm setting you up to talk about. I'm pretty sure you have something to say about this woman model Ariana Rose Philip, who has made MET Gala history by being the first wheelchair user to attend the event in its 78 year history. She's an Antiguan American model.
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Hold on.
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Oh, not.
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Do we really know she's disabled? Because that could be all part of the design. Because a lot of people coming in with, you know, mannequins strapped to their back or dressed like a volcano, but I don't think they're real volcano. They're dressed train. Yes. Yeah. Maybe she's just faking it because it's part of the costume. I mean, okay, Heidi Klum came in dressed as a Statue of Liberty. Was she really the Statue of Liberty? No, she wasn't this year.
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She was the drapes. She was like some painting with the drapes and she had, like, something covering her face and she was like. Last year, I think she might have been the statue or for Halloween or something.
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Oh, she didn't come in dressed as.
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No, she wasn't Statue of Liberty. She was some painting.
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She was.
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Yeah, she was dressed as, like, why
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was I seeing stuff of hers? The Statue of Liberty.
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I could see why you would think she was the Statue of Liberty. Now I feel like I need to find this photo and show it to you.
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Oh, she was something other.
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Yeah, she was.
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She was dressed as Roman's statue. Oh, but not the Statue of Liberty.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah.
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Well, that is my mistake. See, my memory was off.
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Yeah.
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God. A lot like a Statue of Liberty, though. But anyway, it seemed very uncomfortable and God help her if she had to use the bathroom. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. May is Men's Mental Health awareness month, and it can be tough managing all that you have to do as a man with all the weight on your shoulders. It's okay to admit that sometimes, well, you don't have all the answers. And it can help to talk to someone else and get another perspective. BetterHelp is the world's largest online therapy platform and their therapists work according to a strict code of conduct and are fully licensed in the US Just answer a short questionnaire and they'll do the matching for you. It's betterhelp. Am I right? Dawson?
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But this woman, this woman who's a man or was a man. See, listen, here's the problem. Can I say a problem with the trans movement.
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Okay, so for clarification now, Ariana Rose Philip was once Aaron Rose. Philip.
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Right, so here's what people do. They're so respectful that they'll go, robert De Niro's daughter is trans. And I'll go, his daughter's trans. So her daughter's becoming a man, or is a man. No, no, it's his daughter. The daughter's trans, though. Right. But I'm looking at a woman with long hair and it looks. That's De Niro's. No, that's his daughter. I go, no, his son is trans into a woman, you fucking idiots. Now I'm confused.
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Also, if a trans woman is a woman, why don't they just say woman?
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Yeah, why do we need trans? Yeah. I don't know why we have to qualify it with trans. But. But De Niro has a son and the son is a trans woman, in which case it's good we got the word trans woman. And he has a son who is now a trans woman, but he does not have a daughter. And if he does, then get rid of the word trans, but stop confusing me. All right, so this man who became a woman is going to deliver a TED Talk.
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When I first started working, I was an anomaly to the industry. Arguably in many ways. Today, model, really. I still am. I think it's time to say the quiet part out loud. The fashion industry is unlikely to book
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or pay black, trans, feminine and or physically disabled models to do Runway editorial
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and or campaign because of an absence of whiteness.
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Yeah. To be fair, Runway is something you use wheels on, walkway something you use your legs on. So all these able bodied assholes walking on your Runway, that's your Runway, baby. Fire that wheelchair up. All right. She's angry.
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Yeah.
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Blaming the white man. Get in line, bitch. But I want to say this about the trans community. They seem super angry, and they're doing a lot of shooting and things like that, but they're angry. But I realize now I would be angry too if I thought I was trapped in the wrong body. Like, I'd be super fucking pissed all the time. Like, if I, you know, they're. They're guys that, you know, if I have a blister on my foot, I'm in a bad mood. I'm walking around going, God damn it. And if you got a hemorrhoid, you're in a bad mood. And there's lots of things physically that'll just kind of make you a little bit in a bad mood. Yeah.
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Women have to deal with it usually every 28 days.
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Yeah. Postpartum, we all deal with It. We all deal, there's collateral damage. Yes, being. Yes, yes, that is a very good point. Having a toothache. But how about being trapped in the wrong body? That would make me in a constant state of dissatisfaction and anger. So no wonder these fucking people are so angry. Trapped in the wrong body. And that again, I would just be. I would be permanently surly if I was walking around in the wrong body.
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Yeah. So then you can empathize with them.
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I can empathize with them being angry all the time because they're trapped in the wrong body. And like I said, you know, it's like wearing. I think there's a Yiddish term and there's biblical terms that are. Like wearing a hair shirt. You know what I mean? Like, the discomfort of wearing a shirt that was woven from human hair and you'd just be walking around kind of itchy and shitty all the time, and wearing a hair shirt or being trapped in the wrong body, I would be a constant state of discomfort. And that's why they're pissed off now. No one wants to talk about how pissed off they are all time. But this woman seems. Or, sorry, this man who claims to be a woman seems pissed off and now is blaming white people. Because, no, we don't traditionally see a lot of modeling going on from people that are bent over in wheelchairs because folks like to see what the people are wearing. Traditionally.
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Well, I don't. I also would not be chosen to be a supermodel on a Vogue cover because I'm not hot and tall and thin.
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You take that back. You take that back. Take it back. Take it.
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But, like, there's less opportunity. There's a difference between, like, equal opportunity and then, like, equity here. And I think what she's trying to advocate for is, like, equity in it, but blaming whiteness for it.
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I mean, right?
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There have been mixed races in high fashion for decades.
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A very small percentage of people actually make their living modeling. So I don't know that it's discrimination as much as it's a fucking numbers game of almost nobody gets to be a model.
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It's not fair that you couldn't be on the Olympic team for basketball or volleyball.
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Unfair.
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I mean, you're a tall guy. You'd think they would have recruited you.
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You'd think, but nope. But no.
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Was it the whiteness that stopped you?
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That stopped me from being a fireman in LA county, but other than that, I was welcome on a construction site and handed a shovel. So, yes, he. It's kind of the poster child for Everything that's wrong right now, so fuck right off. I don't care if you're disability or whatever it is. Jesus Christ. Imagine the O for two, like the cerebral palsy, and being trapped in the wrong body like that is an O for fucking two for right there. All right, so she's angry, and she's angry at white people.
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Good.
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Keep going.
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Another angry lady.
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That's nice. Who?
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One of our faves, Katie Porter. Did you watch the California gubernatorial debate posted by our buddy Alex Michaelson over on CNN the other night?
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I did not.
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Okay, well, there was some fun parts of it. Kaitlyn Collins and Alex Michaelson over at CNN hosted the California gubernatorial debate, and it was kind of interesting to see how the Democrats kind of all went after each other. I would have thought that they would have coalesced going after, oh, I don't know, Steve Hilton, Chad Bianco, who have been leading the polls.
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Right.
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But alas, they couldn't help themselves. But Katie Porter did slap her gubernatorial rival, Sheriff Chad Bianco, with the interesting new nickname.
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I can't believe that on a stage with 30 minutes of interrupting and bickering and name calling and shouting and disrespect for everyone up here who's stepping into public service that anyone wants to talk about my temperament.
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You were actually interrupting them, too. I don't know why you want to act like you weren't. Oh, cowboy Steve and I sat here smiling at each other because we're just
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watching you all prove to everyone why
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they can't vote for a Democrat.
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She said, cowboy up, cupcake.
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Well, it's kind of funny that you say to a guy's a sheriff with a star badge and a handlebar mustache to cowboy up, cupcake.
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He was probably wearing boots, too.
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He's the most cowboy landing.
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I don't get it. Yeah, yeah.
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It'd be like someone saying to me, once you get interested in vintage Datsun racing, comic guy, be like, okay, once
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you go get a minivan.
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Katie Porter. That's right.
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I get it.
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Cowboy up, cupcake. I think she probably had that one chambered and would probably fire it off at anybody.
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I was consulting her because, to Dawson's point, she's been running this ad talking about how she's a mom in a minivan and she's gonna fight for you and all this stuff and kind of highlighting her. Get out of my shot. I think we have video of this.
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I like it.
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Of her talking about. And then she's doubling down on the. On what she thinks is a joke. But it's kind of not a joke that you're a horrible boss and really mean to everybody around you.
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Well, this is where we part ways. I don't mind.
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I know. Why don't you.
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I'll tell you why. Specifically, emotions have seeped into our politics and made us pick a lot of bad people. A lot of Obama was. I could see myself having a beer with that guy. Well, you're not having a beer with that guy. But he is making policy, and the policy is gonna be bad, and it's gonna fuck up this country. So you based on sort of, I like that guy. That's a bad thing. Historically, we had guys who basically got shit done, but it wasn't a popularity contest. And I'm sure, again, the Pattons or the Churchills or the names go on and on. I don't know what their bedside manner was like. I'm sure they were a little bit fucking rough around the edges. By the way, guys that are trying to win wars don't have a lot of. Like, they don't do a lot of small talk. They're a little bit rude.
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They're not very soft.
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They're curt, you know, like. And they do a lot of. Like, you go, so I had this idea. Get to it. And you go, why are you being rude? But they're like, get to it.
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I don't disagree with you, but Katie is not a get to it person.
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No, shut up. She's kind of a witch. It's lose, lose. I agree. Here's all I'm saying. I've said a million times. I would have first starts first. There's no doubt that Hillary Clinton is one of the biggest bitches the planet has ever seen. But she feigns this niceness bullshit, like Kamal does, too. Kamala had everybody who worked for her quit because she was a raving, lunatic bitch. So I don't like the fake bullshit. So we didn't catch Kamala being bitchy, and we didn't catch Hillary being bitchy, but we caught her. But I'll bet you behind closed doors,
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they're all the same.
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I'll bet you. I'll put my money on Hillary Clinton being bitchier than Katie Porter. We just got a snapshot. So, first off, Karen Bass, I'm sure, is a colossal bitch behind whatever. I'm sure they're all bitches. So we're already there with me, she got caught. Hillary Clinton didn't get caught. And all, by the way, Mama Law and all her bullshit dance routines and all that stuff. But you go to Tim Walls wife or whatever, turn the page. I'm sure they're all. I'm sure. Can you imagine Nancy Pelosi as soon as the door shuts to limo after the guy asked her about insider trading? Imagine the fucking ranch she goes on for 45 minutes. Okay, so they're all bad. She got caught, okay? Her policy is why I don't want her there.
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Got it?
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Okay, here it is.
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Here's her ad.
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I'm Katie Porter, and I'm not like most people who run for governor. I actually get what you're going through a of sense. As a single mom of three kids, I know what it's like to push the shopping cart. My Minivan has almost 200,000 miles. I have a grown kid who may soon be living on my couch. To give Californians what they need, it's going to take standing up to Donald Trump calling out, really corporations.
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Wait a minute. Stop it. Sir, we're going to polish this before that. We're going to. Well, first off, we're going to end gun violence. Sorry, bitch, that's not up to you. That's up to the guy who has the gun and the person they're shooting most of the guy who's got the gun, okay? I don't wanna hear any California politician talking to me about gas prices.
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I know.
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Unless you start talking about taxing, unless you start talking about taxes and refineries and regulation and all that kind of stuff that you guys put in place to hike gas prices in California. You shut your fucking pie holes. I love how shut your fucking mouth
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has the biggest font, right?
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We're gonna dump Trump. I don't know how. Listen, you know more about politics than I do. If I get elected governor of California, am I allowed to fire Trump?
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No, not the way it works, pretty sure.
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But what about the fourth largest economy in the world?
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We can go to this little book called the Constitution that you might think is outdated.
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Oh, with the no kings hashtag. All right, so we're gonna dump Trump. Except for we can't dump Trump because he's a fucking president. So this one's off. The other one is we're gonna speak out about racism. Oh, thank goodness. Somebody in California in 2026 is gonna call out racism.
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It's kind of funny that she wants to dump some.
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That's gonna be so refreshing. It's gonna be so refreshing when you guys start talking about racism in 2026 in California. Finally. Because you know what I do? I walk around and I go, you Know what I need? More racism talk. Like the lady in the wheelchair who's really a man, I need more racist talk. So finally we can start doing that and then we can abolish ice, which is awesome because that just means drug pushers and human traffickers and murderers can just go do whatever they want with that impunity.
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What's kind of fascinating is up until this last shot of the dump, starting with the dump, Trump, and then all the other leftist agenda stuff. Her ad made her look more moderate. Her ad made her look kind of applicable and appealing to a middle class mom in California, right?
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Yeah.
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And then it's like, nope, let's just throw in a whole bunch of progressive bullshit here now at the end.
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Yeah. And you know what's interesting? I was talking to Drew about it, cuz this black gentleman is holding a sign saying a living wage. He wants a living wage. You should not have a living wage. Nobody should have a fucking living wage. You earn whatever you can earn and then you attempt to live off it. The government should not be getting involved in setting this price. And people go, I don't know what's wrong with the living wage? Well, it runs businesses out, but it also hurts the person that's getting it. But here's an interesting thought. I was talking to old guy Dr. Drew, old guy Adam was talking to old guy Drew. And we were just stumbling onto like the last time we had a minimum wage job. And when it was called minimum wage. And he goes, I was cleaning up, picking up garbage at the homeowners association or something. 60. I go, well, let's see, last time I had a minimum wage job. Now I've gotten paid almost nothing. But it wasn't minimum wage. I worked at McDonald's. I just turned 16. I worked there for about two months during the summer. And that was my last minimum wage job. Then I worked for the liquor store delivering liquor. And you know, minimum wage was $3.10. They're probably paying me five or six bucks an hour working at the liquor store. Some point I got onto carpet cleaning. Six, seven bucks an hour, then onto a job site. Seven, eight bucks an hour. But not minimum wage. And Drew said, yeah. And so I said, well, geez, the last time I had a minimum wage job, I was in the 10th grade or going into the 11th grade. And he said, me too. And I said, yeah, because those jobs weren't supposed. You weren't supposed to live off the least amount. You're supposed to be in fucking high school when you got paid. It's a Whopper. You've learned to work and you get paid a minimum wage. And you realize, I don't want to get paid $3 to flip burgers. And you end up picking up a skill and moving on. Fine. But then we're old, and I started doing the laps around here. Now, listen, everybody. I don't care. I don't want your minimum wage bartending job where you walk with 300 bucks in tips every night. That's not a minimum wage job. Anyone would take that job. I started doing a survey with the young people that work here, and it was like, last minimum wage job, 27. Like, 27. I was working at a Jamba Juice. I was making 19, 50 an hour. Whatever. It's California.
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Yeah.
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23, 27, 28, 26. I'm like, you're supposed to end that shit in high school. They're like, no, no. Because they moved the minimum wage up to, like, 17, 18 bucks. And now if you have five roommates and no car insurance, you can almost do it. You know what I mean? I mean, but it doesn't serve people to make the least amount possible well into their 20s. Minimum wage was high school, not beyond. Nobody dreamt of working a minimum wage. Nobody had three kids and was a single mom. There was none of that shit. Minimum wage is least amount possible, zero skills, learning how to fucking work. You want to raise the living wage or the minimum wage and turn it into a dollar thirty an hour. You're gonna have a lot of people trapped working shitty jobs at 30 bucks an hour when they needed to grow and move the fuck on.
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Yeah. I think also I'm team. Go back to the unpaid internship, which is, like, illegal now.
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Yes.
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That's how, like, every job I got an offer. When I was 18, living in New York, going to school, paying my own way. I was like, yes, I will take that internship at wabc because I want to learn. I want to learn how to produce. I want to learn how to do. Do the things, and it drives you to do something.
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What was Dawson's last minimum wage job? My last one was, like, 15 years old working at a pizza place. My first one was for, like, $2.85 doing yard work. Right. So you're. You're literally me and Drew in our era and that the minimum wage ended your junior year in high school and that there was no more minimum wage. We need to get back to that, you dumb bitch. Katie Porter. All right, Friday and Saturday, I'll be at the Jimmy's Club in Vegas making minimum wage, doing four shows over there, plus tips, free beer. And then Thursday in Covina with a laugh factory with a doing a live podcast with a guest that you will not believe. You will go, oh God, my, oh my God. This is more than we deserve. Visaya, California, Fox Theater on the 15th, 16th Modesto, it's state Theater you go to Sunday, by the way, Costa Mesa, 24th at the Westwood Coast. You go to AdamCroll.com for all the live shows. Alicia Krause, where do we find you?
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Daily Wire, Washington examiner, on your TV and, you know, over on the socials.
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So till next time, Sam Crow for Alicia Krause and Bob Bobby Rahal saying mahalo.
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