
Adam Carolla & Jason “Mayhem” Miller get together to recap the fights from UFC 309, including the exciting five round fight from Michael Chandler & Charles Oliveira, Bo Nickal’s...
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Mayhem Miller
What do I know? Boatloads. Boatloads. Did you catch the card last week? I mean, I know we talked a little bit about it. And you were busy doing shows.
Jay Leno
Yeah, I was in Big Bear up on stage trying to keep informed via Mike August, who was off stage. But I literally walked on stage probably as Stipe and Jones were making their walk to the ring.
Mayhem Miller
Yep. And about how it happened, about the way that we thought it would happen. Stipe just kind of danced around, didn't really throw anything of consequence. It was not that Big a night on the undercard. The two ladies got really after it, like we said. But the big fight that was like, I mean, fight of the night was Mike Chandler versus Charles Oliveira.
Jay Leno
Yeah, I was talking to my son about it, and he said that Oliveira looked like he was getting the best at Chandler. And then Chandler put together a big fifth round.
Mayhem Miller
Big finish. Yeah, like crazy fifth round. It was just fifth round to remember this is the end right here. Mike Chandler smiling at the crowd while he has the guy on his back and just going, wwe. Wow.
Jay Leno
That was a big.
Mayhem Miller
Yeah, that was a big slam of no consequence. He stands right back up and does the same exact move once again. It was one of those, like, magical moments, I think the Madison Square Garden arena like that. The crowd really hyped up the fighters for that. It was a good night. Mike Chandler said that it was the worst pain of his life after this fight. He peed blood. He, you know, his whole body was swollen. He admitted that that was like. And it was a tough five rounder. It was like he earned every minute of that five, five rounds.
Jay Leno
Yeah. I wish I'd had a chance to see it. I mean, it works that way quite a bit that the undercard is better than the main event. Maybe the. I'd say the co. Main events have a higher batting average than the main events. You know, when you're watching Tyson fight Paul, it's like the chicks fighting in the fight beforehand were much more exciting than actual. And it. It kind of goes that way. I don't think it's all luck. It's. It's like the people on the undercard are sort of still fighting for their place. And the guys on the main event have found their place. Usually, not always, but, you know, I just. Jon Jones is so gifted and so physical and so his balance is so amazing. His coordination is so amazing. I mean, knocking him out with a spinning heel kick to the ribs, you know, it was just. You, thank God. But yeah, that's super effective. I mean, that thing's coming. Spinning, rotating.
Mayhem Miller
Yeah, he gave a lot of props. He actually had a Taekwondo sensei, like, come in three days a week and he would work one hour straight of this kick in particular because it's like that's a major technique from Taekwondo that, like, it's the standard kick, the spinning back kick like this. And he worked on that one specifically, like the Bruce Lee way, where you do 10,000, you know, one kick 10,000 times. Right? So, yeah, he gave a lot of props to that. The also on the Undercard, we talked about it last week was Bo Nickel. And exactly the danger that I talked about last week of having a wrestler guy, elite wrestler, completely abandoned wrestling. That's exactly what happened. And it was kind of a sloppy ass fight. It was very ugly. He was afraid. They say he was afraid to go to the ground because the guy who's fighting Paul Craig, very good at Jiu Jitsu, like has like just unarguably good at Jiu jitsu, has wins over some major competition by choking people off his back, armbar off the back. So his guard is really good. And so I guess Bo Nickel was afraid to go down to double leg takedown, single leg nothing. He didn't shoot one takedown. He threw these wild, sloppy overhand laps. It was kind of ugly that when they make a wrestler into a kickboxer, sometimes it doesn't work out. And the entire Madison Square Garden was chanting overrated.
Jay Leno
Oh, really had a tough time.
Mayhem Miller
And you know, he's not really electric on the mic either. So afterwards he.
Jay Leno
He won.
Mayhem Miller
Yeah, he won. But you know, it wasn't like a standout performance that we expect from somebody who's being taken care of by the organization. Looks like they're giving them fights that are stepping stones to the next level. To the next level. And I don't know the next fight that he gets. I don't know where they're going to put him. But you know, he was talking about going for a title fight, but no.
Jay Leno
Well, he's only had seven or eight fights, right?
Mayhem Miller
Yeah, yeah. 28 years old and I don't know his ranking off the top of my head, if you're going to look that up. But he's been taken care of. He's 28. His striking has not developed yet. And so I don't know, this might fizzle, this might die in the crib, his career, in a way, if he can. Apparently. What I've heard from the inside is that his kickboxing coach is the type of his stylistically goes for take no damage and get in and land one shot and get out. So it's a matter of his coach fighting, getting him to fight the exact style that he wants. And it's not very fan friendly and Madison Square Garden crowd let him know.
Jay Leno
I guys have problems when they loop their punches a lot. And you know, the guys who throw straight punches are like much more effective. Like the Klitschko's just throw that cross right down the bike. Like it did not come wide, it just went straight and sometimes even if the guy had his gloves up, would just split the gloves and they just threw that thing like a piston, straight ahead. So the normal way that people throw a punch is wide, but the effective way to throw it is. Is straight. If you're throwing a cross or a jab and guys loop it, and I. They should invent a punching hallway.
Mayhem Miller
Yeah.
Jay Leno
Because you need to just go completely straight. Straight, and you go wide and no matter. And then there's another thing, too, and I like to see it. Guys hold the focus pads.
Mayhem Miller
Yeah.
Jay Leno
The right hand is over here, the left hand is over there. They're holding the shit four feet apart. No, no, it makes you loop when you. When you punch. What. Who you punching with? The two heads that are ones over here. It drives me nuts. They hold them far, wide, and then they slam them at the guy. By the way, nobody you're going to fight has two heads that are three feet apart, and no one you fight, it's going to have two heads or three feet apart that will move toward your. Your fist as you throw. So fucking stop throwing your mittens at the gloves. I've seen them in. Hold them tight. I used to hold. I would put them together.
Mayhem Miller
You're right.
Jay Leno
People don't like it because they. The guys that are holding it think they're going to get hit in the face or something. I don't know what they're doing. I used to hold them. If I said jab, cross, hook, I held the shit like this. Because it's one head that you're hitting. It's not.
Mayhem Miller
I'm right there with you, right? One behind the other. Ding, ding, ding, ding. It's like you should be holding the pads all in, like this little ball.
Jay Leno
And do not move toward the target. That's just making noise.
Mayhem Miller
I know.
Jay Leno
Don't get into the slap fast.
Mayhem Miller
Well, I've seen this phenomenon before that Bo Nickel's going through where he's a wrestler, elite wrestler, and the day. I don't know, there's some type of body movement that translates from wrestling to punching, where it's like a big overhand right. I think it's like a takedown that we do where you're. You push the guy's head over and grab his leg. That's what he's going for. He kept doing this strange, like, fake shot and overhand right. And I'm sure it worked in the sparring room, but Paul Craig was a little bit too smart for that, and, you know that.
Jay Leno
Was that Bo Nichols, not ranked among the ufc.
Mayhem Miller
He's got a lot of heat right now because he's coming out, you know, his wrestling career is top number three in the international rankings. So, I don't know. Coming up next is Chris Weidman. Eric anders at UFC310. So that's the next kind of big fight there. It was supposed to be on this last card and it got dropped off. The, the guy's. Eric Anders is a former football player who's, you know, just a kind of a beastly athlete and kind of an up and comer. And Chris Weidman, you know, is the classic, you know, just former champion, all American. He's just a, you know, a beast of a guy.
Jay Leno
Yeah.
Mayhem Miller
And, you know, getting on the older side now, Eric Anders, he's one of those dudes that are catching a lot of heat. Like he's got like some, some fire behind him. But, you know, I don't know.
Jay Leno
This fight, what is this weight division at 202?
Mayhem Miller
Yeah, I don't even know where you guys got this card.
Jay Leno
Where did 202 come from? Doesn't Heidman fight at 185?
Mayhem Miller
Yeah, yeah, they usually fight at 185 this fight, I guess because it's going to. I don't know, the guy got sick, had a medical issue and dropped off to the last card. The fight's going to be rebooked and they're going to do 195 pound catch weight, which is.
Jay Leno
Oh, they're doing a catch. White.
Mayhem Miller
Yes. It's a strange thing. Yeah.
Jay Leno
You mean you can't make 185?
Mayhem Miller
I guess not.
Jay Leno
I mean, I guess if there's a catch and you agree to it. I don't know where 202 is coming from though. But we've seen these cards before, these graphics that somehow seem a little off.
Mayhem Miller
Yeah, well, the whole card got like shuffled around. Bilal, Muhammad and Shak Rakamanov was. They were supposed to fight here on the UFC 310 card, but that fell out because Bilal got some weird infection on. It's. I don't know, it's nasty. And then as a result, the flyweight title between Alexandre Pantoja and Kai Asukara, who is like this Japanese, like, really fun, exciting fighter to watch, has got bumped up to the main event, so at least we'll have a good one. The Ramanov would instead faced Ian Machado. Gary, who's like Barry, he's a pretty entertaining fighter too. So at least we have some good fights to watch right there. UFC310.
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Jay Leno
Is Jon Jones really ducking anybody? Do you need to Jon Jones?
Mayhem Miller
I don't like. Look, I'm not like, it's the same thing as if I say this, it might come off like talking shit against Mayweather. Mayweather was one of the best boxers of all time. All right, probably indisputably from a technical standpoint, but also from the business standpoint. He fought the guys that he wanted to fight at the time. He wanted to fight him. He didn't fight Alvarez.
Jay Leno
Yeah, he fought him when he was a Little young on the way up.
Mayhem Miller
Yes.
Jay Leno
Yeah, yeah.
Mayhem Miller
And then so he, you know, not only dance footwork in the ring, he did footwork outside of the ring to get himself in the right positions. I feel like there's shades of Jon Jones in that because he's doing it, he's making sure that, ah, nah, why would I fight Tom Aspinall? He's trying to like rewrite the narrative where, oh no, I'm not fighting, fighting him because I don't really like him. I don't want to do business with him. But you know, I feel like in a more free and open market where oldest Aspinall. Aspinal, 30, 30 years old now 30 something. He's like not a spring chicken but he's like mastered at this stage in his career. It's like a tough guy with all the skills, you know, to be able to put a really way better challenge than Stipe put up. I think.
Jay Leno
Yeah, well, Steve, I, I don't, I, you know, I said it then you kind of talk me out of it a little bit. But Steve Babis never, I know. That was never going to be a good fight.
Mayhem Miller
I know, yeah. But what I meant was that he's not going to roll over. At least he'll give some.
Jay Leno
No, he's a bro.
Mayhem Miller
The minute that I saw him come out though, I was like, okay, never mind, this guy's old. I was like, damn, I didn't think he would be this old.
Jay Leno
Aspinall is 31.
Mayhem Miller
There you go.
Jay Leno
Jones 37. The 37 year old is going to beat the 42 year old in Stipe. But the 31 year old may beat the 37 year old in Aspinall and Jones.
Mayhem Miller
Well, the interesting thing is that Jon Jones came out like a bat out of hell. Took Stipe down with the slick ass trip, the trip he's done before in his fights and gave him the business for the full first five minutes and then got up and everyone talked. Oh, Stipe, so tired. Jon Jones was tired. He was tired of whipping his ass. He still had that explosive power, but he slowed down considerably. He didn't come out like as confident. He came out very measured, throwing his front kick, throwing punch jabs. It wasn't like he was just rolling through Stipe. And my argument is that Tom Aspinall would take that ass whooping in the five minute round and then hop up ready to go in second round.
Jay Leno
Right.
Mayhem Miller
It'll be a very different fight. So that could definitely disrupt his legacy and change the whole narrative behind Jon Jones. Greatest of all time.
Jay Leno
There's no clock, by the way. We had a clock up there, but it went away. All right, But Jones doesn't want to fight him.
Mayhem Miller
Well, he says he does, but he wants to get paid a lot for it. Okay. Which is fine. You know, and I think the UFC could make that if they were really willing to, you know, open the purse strings a little bit.
Jay Leno
Is who's the champion now?
Mayhem Miller
John Jones.
Jay Leno
Oh.
Mayhem Miller
Oh.
Jay Leno
Who was the Internet, who was.
Mayhem Miller
Tom Aspinall has been carrying this interim championship belt for a good long time. Why? Jones sat out with various injuries and legal stuff. So it's one of those things that the people are bloodthirsty to see Tom Aspinall fight Jon Jones.
Jay Leno
Who is in the top five of heavyweights right now? Francis is gone.
Mayhem Miller
Francis is in pfl. Cyril Gahn is still up there for some reason. Right. Tom Aspinall is beat, but no one wants, I think five of the 10 in the top 10.
Jay Leno
No one wants to see Cyril Gahn go again with Jon Jones.
Mayhem Miller
No.
Jay Leno
No. And why the hell. What. And then Francis Ngania just had his fight. Oh, and that lasted 10, 10 seconds.
Mayhem Miller
That's the guy. Yeah. Yeah.
Jay Leno
Right. So getting him back to fight Jones would be compelling, but somewhere else. Right? He's got a contract.
Mayhem Miller
Of course. And I've been arguing. I told you about it before. I've been arguing that the Ali act should apply to mixed martial arts. I've been arguing that for 20 years. But saying, hey, we're doing a fight sport. There's a monopoly here. I mean, guys, shouldn't we be able to take our skills wherever we want?
Jay Leno
Well, the fight league, you know, versus mma. I mean, not mma, but Octagon or whatever we call it. Dana White versus. I don't know who owns the other one. Okay. You should be able to strike a deal.
Mayhem Miller
That's what I mean.
Jay Leno
You should go, your guys over there and my guys over there. But there's a way for both of us to make money. Do a co sponsored main event or some bullshit, you know what I mean?
Mayhem Miller
See, that would completely upend the current system. Right. If you did that, then it would just be the best fighters fighting the best fighters. All right? Instead of. Well, how it is now. UFC has everyone and then there's the rest of everyone.
Jay Leno
Right? Yeah, yeah, I get it. But Francis is not the rest of everyone. Like.
Mayhem Miller
No, I know that. I. If he elite. Yeah.
Jay Leno
If he got in with Jon Jones tomorrow. Yeah, Joe, It'd be an even fight.
Mayhem Miller
Maybe. Yeah.
Jay Leno
Jones would be A very small, small favorite, though. Very small.
Mayhem Miller
I don't know why, because we only have two fights from Jon Jones, the heavyweight.
Jay Leno
Well, the only reason why is that Jones is slick, and Jones finds a way to win, and it's hard to argue with the guy who never lost, you know what I mean? And. And also maintained his slickness at a heavier weight division. I mean, he's put on 40 pounds or he's fighting 40 pounds heavier than he would have fought at light or. Sorry, light. Well, that wasn't light heavyweight. What do they call it? So light heavyweight.
Mayhem Miller
Yeah, light heavyweight.
Jay Leno
Oh, light heavy. Sorry. He's fighting 40 pounds lighter. Most guys who pack on 40 pounds slow up a little bit.
Mayhem Miller
He was fast, but like I said, he slowed down considerably in round two. And I think directly because all that mass.
Jay Leno
Oh, really?
Mayhem Miller
Yeah. You see a guy in the gym who put on a bunch of weight, like muscle, even muscle. The guy will still be powerful and fast, but his gas tank will be lighter. And that's exactly what I saw.
Jay Leno
Interesting.
Mayhem Miller
And on top of that, you know, you are. We are judging it off of one performance. Well, two performances. One against Cyril Gone would who come on, like, no grappling whatsoever. And then Stipe, who's much older. Yeah, a lot. A lot slower than he was. True. You know, so it kind of tempers your expectation. Like, it kind of there. There's a. You're looking through a filter that he hasn't gone again. I would have loved to have seen heavyweight Ngannou versus heavyweight Jones. That. That is a fight. I mean, still, that's a fight to put together. But in the meantime, look, we got Aspinall, who's been carrying this interim belt this entire time, and really carrying the division, like, showing because heavyweight's kind of thin all over the world because it's hard to get a big dude to learn all the skills of mixed martial arts to that high a level. And Aspinall's got him. He's got him and Jon Jones definitely got him. So, you know, the fans are calling for it.
Jay Leno
Well, a good note to go out on mayhem. Always bringing the knowledge. Me, well, I'm here too.
Mayhem Miller
You know it.
Jay Leno
So until next time, Adam Carolla for Mayhem Miller saying mahalo.
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Adam Carolla Show: MMA with M.M. & Ace - Round 6: Straight Down the Puncher's Hallway
Release Date: November 23, 2024
Introduction
In the Round 6: Straight Down the Puncher's Hallway episode of The Adam Carolla Show, hosts Mayhem Miller and Jay Leno dive deep into the latest happenings in the Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) world. They analyze recent fights, discuss fighter performances, and explore potential future matchups, providing listeners with insightful commentary and expert opinions on the current state of MMA.
Recent UFC Events and Fight Analyses
Mayhem Miller and Jay Leno kick off the discussion by recapping recent UFC events, highlighting key performances and surprising outcomes.
Mike Chandler vs. Charles Oliveira
Mayhem reflects on the fight, emphasizing Oliveira's dominance and Chandler's impressive fifth-round comeback:
Mayhem Miller [03:19]: "Mike Chandler smiling at the crowd while he has the guy on his back and just going, WWE. Wow."
He further elaborates on the physical toll the fight took on Chandler:
Mayhem Miller [03:35]: "Mike Chandler said that it was the worst pain of his life after this fight. He peed blood. His whole body was swollen."
Bo Nickel vs. Paul Craig
The conversation shifts to Bo Nickel's transition from wrestling to MMA, which Mayhem critiques as poorly executed:
Mayhem Miller [05:11]: "When they make a wrestler into a kickboxer, sometimes it doesn't work out. The entire Madison Square Garden was chanting overrated."
Jay agrees, highlighting Nickel's lackluster performance despite his victories:
Jay Leno [07:45]: "He's only had seven or eight fights... his striking has not developed yet."
Fighter Techniques and Strategies
The hosts delve into the technical aspects of fighters' performances, discussing effective and ineffective techniques witnessed in recent bouts.
Jon Jones' Footwork and Strategy
Jay praises Jon Jones' athleticism and coordination:
Jay Leno [05:11]: "Jon Jones is so gifted and so physical and his balance is so amazing. His coordination is so amazing."
Mayhem adds insight into Jones' training regimen:
Mayhem Miller [05:45]: "He had a Taekwondo sensei come in three days a week to work on spinning back kicks, doing it Bruce Lee style, 10,000 times."
Punching Techniques Critique
Jay and Mayhem critique common punching techniques, advocating for straighter punches over looping ones:
Jay Leno [08:45]: "Guys throw straight punches are much more effective... They should invent a punching hallway."
Mayhem concurs, emphasizing the importance of precision:
Mayhem Miller [09:46]: "You're right... One behind the other. Ding, ding, ding."
Upcoming Fights and Weight Class Dynamics
Looking ahead, the hosts discuss anticipated fights and the implications of fighters' weight classes on their performances.
Chris Weidman vs. Eric Anders at UFC310
Mayhem provides background on both fighters:
Mayhem Miller [11:39]: "Eric Anders is a former football player... Chris Weidman is the classic former champion, all American."
They speculate on the fight's outcome, considering weight classes:
Jay Leno [12:41]: "UFC310... Alexandre Pantoja vs. Kai Asakura bumped to main event for excitement."
Jon Jones vs. Tom Aspinall
The conversation shifts to the highly anticipated matchup between Jon Jones and Tom Aspinall:
Mayhem Miller [17:00]: "Tom Aspinall would take that ass whooping in the five-minute round and then hop up ready to go in second round."
Jay highlights the potential impact on Jones' legacy:
Jay Leno [19:22]: "Tom Aspinall has been carrying this interim championship belt... Fans are bloodthirsty to see Tom Aspinall fight Jon Jones."
Industry Insights and Market Dynamics
Mayhem and Jay explore broader issues within the MMA industry, including fighter management and organizational monopolies.
Monopoly in MMA Promotions
Mayhem argues for more competitive dynamics within MMA promotions:
Mayhem Miller [20:27]: "Guys, shouldn't we be able to take our skills wherever we want?"
Jay suggests collaborative events to benefit both promotions:
Jay Leno [21:03]: "You should go, your guys over there and my guys over there. Do a co-sponsored main event."
Impact of Fighter Weight and Conditioning
Discussing Jon Jones' move to a higher weight class, Mayhem notes the challenges fighters face when altering their weight:
Mayhem Miller [22:31]: "He slowed down considerably... all that mass affects his gas tank."
Jay adds that increased weight can lead to decreased endurance:
Jay Leno [22:39]: "Most guys who pack on 40 pounds slow up a little bit."
Conclusion and Final Thoughts
Wrapping up the episode, Mayhem and Jay reflect on the current state of MMA and express excitement for future events.
Jay Leno [24:01]: "A good note to go out on Mayhem. Always bringing the knowledge."
Mayhem Miller [24:10]: "You know it."
They encourage listeners to stay engaged with upcoming fights and continue following the evolving landscape of MMA.
Key Takeaways
Notable Quotes with Timestamps
This episode provides MMA enthusiasts with a comprehensive analysis of recent events, strategic insights into fighter performances, and thoughtful discussions on the future trajectory of the sport. Whether you're a seasoned fan or new to MMA, Mayhem Miller and Jay Leno offer valuable perspectives that enhance your understanding and appreciation of the mixed martial arts arena.