NYC Erects Statue of Overweight Black Woman + Comedian Erica Rhodes + Prison Consultant Craig Rothfeld

Summary

Adam Carolla Show – Episode: NYC Erects Statue of Overweight Black Woman + Comedian Erica Rhodes + Prison Consultant Craig Rothfeld

Release Date: May 12, 2025

In this engaging episode of The Adam Carolla Show, host Adam Carolla welcomes back comedian Erica Rhodes and introduces a new guest, Craig Rothfeld, a seasoned prison consultant and criminal justice advisor. The trio delves into a variety of topics ranging from societal norms and personal interactions to deep dives into the criminal justice system and high-profile legal cases.

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Modern Workplaces and Self-Expression

The episode kicks off with Adam and Erica discussing the evolution of workplaces, comparing the current trend of "hip" jobs that encourage self-expression through tattoos and unique attire to the more traditional jobs of the past, such as working at McDonald's or a shoe store.

Adam Carolla (03:02): "When I was young, there wasn't hip places to work. There was like McDonald's, a liquor store, or a Vans shoe store."

Erica Rhodes (04:53): "Are they at record stores too? Wasn't that sort of the '80s cool thing?"

This conversation highlights the shift in workplace culture, emphasizing how modern establishments often prioritize aesthetic and cultural fit alongside job functions.

Self-Esteem and Social Interactions

Transitioning into personal anecdotes, Adam shares a humorous yet insightful story about a confusing phone interaction in an elevator, touching upon themes of self-esteem and the anxiety that can arise from social misunderstandings.

Adam Carolla (15:06): "I think people could understand it anyway... But you needed that for this, to get that out of this millennial."

Erica Rhodes (18:12): "With that quick thinking. I don't think I would have thought that quickly in the moment."

This segment underscores the challenges of maintaining self-confidence in everyday social situations.

Comedic Takes on Body Size and Services

Erica and Craig join Adam in a lighthearted discussion about the absurdity of charging more or less for services based on body size. The trio creatively brainstorms humorous scenarios where individuals might be taxed differently depending on their physical stature.

Adam Carolla (29:35): "I think women should be charged less at the buffet because they weigh less."

Erica Rhodes (31:42): "Sometimes it's not."

Their witty banter serves as a comedic exploration of societal attitudes toward body size and fairness.

Critique of Pharmaceutical Advertising

The conversation shifts to a critical analysis of a Vanda Pharmaceuticals advertisement featuring an anime-style character. The trio examines the effectiveness and implications of using such imagery in pharmaceutical marketing.

Adam Carolla (46:51): "It's an anime. It's a chick that looks a lot like you."

Erica Rhodes (47:24): "It's gonna fire you think this is AI?"

Their discussion reflects on the blending of modern animation styles with serious pharmaceutical messaging, questioning its impact and reception.

Systemic Racism in Airports and TSA

A poignant segment unfolds as Adam, Erica, and Craig tackle the issue of systemic racism within airport security, specifically focusing on experiences with TSA agents. They discuss the heightened tensions and discriminatory practices that disproportionately affect Black women.

Adam Carolla (70:22): "You can't feed people a steady diet if everyone hates them and then expect them to go out and be courteous."

Erica Rhodes (71:07): "I've had it. But I mean, not to be like, everybody. I feel like everyone at airports now is just rude."

This conversation sheds light on the broader societal issues of racial bias and its manifestations in everyday interactions.

News Segment: Frontier Airlines Agents Fired

The hosts briefly touch upon a recent news story where two check-in desk agents from Frontier Airlines were terminated for mocking a customer in a viral video. They express their critiques of Frontier Airlines' customer service practices.

Adam Carolla (67:04): "They messed up and lost their job because of it."

High-Profile Legal Cases and Cancel Culture

Adam and guests navigate through discussions about renowned figures like Garrison Keillor and Charlie Rose, exploring themes of accountability and the consequences of misconduct within influential industries.

Adam Carolla (84:05): "They just go, ah, yeah, my bad. But we don't know what we're talking about."

Erica Rhodes (85:56): "If you represent rich white guys, you just say they're unpopular because of their actions."

Their analysis offers a critical perspective on how public figures are scrutinized and the complexities surrounding their legal battles.

In-Depth Interview with Craig Rothfeld: Navigating the Criminal Justice System

The highlight of the episode is an insightful interview with Craig Rothfeld, who shares his extensive background in financial services, his experience with legal troubles, and his current role as a prison consultant. Craig discusses the intricacies of the criminal justice system, the challenges faced by high-profile clients like Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby, and the systemic issues that perpetuate injustices.

Craig Rothfeld (96:27): "In the United States, men versus women under the age of 40. Pharma, psychological drugs... 80% of women and 20% of men."

Adam Carolla (107:54): "He was a great example of jury nullification and the government giving a jury enough reasonable doubt that they could go make up for 25 years of social causes and issues."

Craig Rothfeld (117:58): "They overcharge. They create multiple indictments on a person that has basically four underlying issues."

Craig's expertise provides listeners with a deeper understanding of the legal system's flaws, the impact of systemic racism, and the personal toll on those within it. His anecdotes and professional insights underscore the need for reforms and better support systems for individuals navigating incarceration.

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Conclusion and Upcoming Events

As the episode wraps up, Adam promotes upcoming live shows and shares information on how listeners can engage with him and his guests:

Adam Carolla (136:10): "I'm gonna be in Bellflower doing stand up comedy. And that'll be May 24th, two shows. Then Tacoma, May 30th and 31st and then June 1st, Spokane."

Listeners are encouraged to visit adamcarolla.com and ericarodescomedy.com for more information on live dates and events.

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This episode of The Adam Carolla Show masterfully blends humor with serious commentary, offering listeners both laughter and thoughtful analysis on pressing societal issues. From personal stories and comedic riffs to in-depth legal discussions, Adam Carolla and his guests provide a comprehensive and entertaining exploration of contemporary topics.

Transcript

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[Jason Mayhem Miller]

From Corolla One studios in Glendale, California, this is the Adam Carolla Show. Adam's guest today, comedian Erica Rhodes and prison consultant Craig Rothfeld. Plus the news and trending topics with Jason Mayhem Miller. And now he wasn't elected Pope, but he does like to pontificate.

[Adam Carolla]

Adam Carolla, yeah, get it on. Got to get on. Erica Rhodes back studio. Very funny comedian. Seen her up close and personal performing and you will not be disappointed if you go out and see her. She got dates coming up. Syracuse, Rochester, N.Y. and ericarodescomedy.com is where you go for all the live dates.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yes. Thank you.

[Adam Carolla]

Let me ask you something. I never thought about this till today. I was sipping coffee in a hip coffee place and I was looking at all the young folk who worked there with like the tattoos and the piercings and the garb expressing themselves in this hip environment. And I thought, you know When I was young, there wasn't hip places to work. There was like McDonald's. There was a liquor store. There's a. You could work at vans shoe store. It was like shoe stores, liquor stores. You could mow lawns or rake lawn. We didn't have like a hip place to land where you could like express your hipness at work and might even be part of the hiring process because they didn't want any squares coming in there mucking up the vibe, you know. And so they had the music playing. They had hit music playing. That guy had the tattoo, that girl had the tat and the peers. Weird, nonsensical, weird kind of ghost back of the arm. Like I don't know what the fuck. Like when I was a kid, it was like, what was the name of your ship in the navy? The guy roll his sleeve up and that's. That was the tattoo. It was the ship or it was mother or was some. Wasn't some weird J. Ghost of a Jayhawk or something on the back of the fat chick's arm. But I don't like any of these people. Don't get me wrong. But. But I was like, there's a bunch of hip places to work now. And I was thinking what were the. Later on a independent video store would be. You could express your hints.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Tarantino grows up in the.

[Adam Carolla]

Right, right?

[Erica Rhodes]

Are they at record stores too? Right?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, they had record stores.

[Erica Rhodes]

Wasn't that sort of the 80s cool thing?

[Adam Carolla]

You could have a ponytail and know a lot about Janis Joplin or something. But it wasn't like an entire. Cause at some point someone's got to take the fucking garbage out. You know what I mean? Like, which hipster is raising their hand for taking the garbage out? You know, maybe that's where the Mexicans come in. I don't know.

[Erica Rhodes]

There's just one guy in the front.

[Adam Carolla]

For every seven hipsters you employ. You need one Mexican because they gotta do work.

[Craig Rothfeld]

You're mad that you had a latte with a heart in it. Is that what this is?

[Adam Carolla]

I'll say this, it's a little homoerotic. When the 45 year old guy behind the counter slides. The 60 year old guy. The latte with the heart.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Meet cute right there.

[Adam Carolla]

Will you be my phone?

[Craig Rothfeld]

Oh, my goodness.

[Erica Rhodes]

Do they call them barista? Can you call them baristas anymore? Do you call them coffee artists?

[Craig Rothfeld]

I believe it's baristo. Okay, respect my pronouns.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know. But like, will you be my foam valentine? It's kind of weird. Our combined age is 100. You know what I mean? Like, we're probably past this stage.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Eye contact. Did you make with this guy?

[Adam Carolla]

Enough to get a message.

[Erica Rhodes]

Wow.

[Adam Carolla]

Sent across. Now, I. I think this guy. I have got the heart a few times, and I don't think the heart should be on the table, literally or figuratively, because it implies something. It has baggage in a heart is Valentine's Day.

[Erica Rhodes]

I think it's because the heart's the easiest one to do.

[Adam Carolla]

It must be.

[Erica Rhodes]

You know, if they really like you, they'll do a leaf. The leaves are harder.

[Adam Carolla]

The leaves are harder.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I want them to do a rabbit. That is a duck. When you turn it upside down.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah. Well, maybe you can make. You should be able to make a request because when I was a kid, we did pancakes. We made shapes with the pancakes.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Oh, you did?

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah. Remember when you went to. Was it friendlies?

[Adam Carolla]

We didn't have them out here.

[Erica Rhodes]

You didn't have friendlies?

[Adam Carolla]

We had bitters.

[Craig Rothfeld]

We had Shawnee.

[Adam Carolla]

Just angry people. It was called bitters. Middle aged, divorced women, they smoked, they yelled. What do you want?

[Erica Rhodes]

Wow. Things were tough back then.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Erica Rhodes]

My first job was an usher at Symphony hall, which is probably the dorkiest job.

[Adam Carolla]

Wait, that's good. I wanna circle back to the pancakes in the shape. Okay.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Wait, you made like.

[Adam Carolla]

No, no, no.

[Erica Rhodes]

If you went as a kid. No, as a kid, a really special treat was if you went to Friendly's and they made your pancake like Mickey Mouse or something.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay.

[Craig Rothfeld]

You know, I mean, that's pretty simple, though. Everyone is Mickey Mouse.

[Adam Carolla]

Mickey Mouse is one lumberjack and two silver dollars for ears. Come on.

[Erica Rhodes]

That's not doing nose and things like that. With the fruit.

[Adam Carolla]

With the fruit. All right. So that was nice. Yeah, we had IHOP out here, which was a.

[Erica Rhodes]

We still have that treat.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, Yeah. I just mean this is a million years ago, but they had ihop would be a big treat. Place to go to.

[Erica Rhodes]

Right. I don't remember having ihop. I remember Ground Round, which was a cool kid place in Boston. And then I remember friendlies. And was there another one that.

[Adam Carolla]

Did your parents take you out often or was it just a special occasion type thing?

[Erica Rhodes]

I think it was just a special occasion.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Erica Rhodes]

Used to be a treat we didn't have. Yeah. My parents worked a lot, so we didn't have a lot of family dinners.

[Adam Carolla]

So they'd be working at night and stuff like that.

[Erica Rhodes]

My mom is a violinist.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. She would work, play the clarinet.

[Erica Rhodes]

He was clarinet, but he was A CPA after that. Yeah. So he was working during the day and my mom was working at night.

[Adam Carolla]

Your mom was jamming all night like Dave Matthews.

[Erica Rhodes]

She was in the Boston Pops.

[Adam Carolla]

Right? They always have shows.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah, they would have shows and then they'd have rehearsals.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay.

[Erica Rhodes]

So she'd get back from concerts at like midnight.

[Adam Carolla]

So you're like latchkey kid.

[Erica Rhodes]

I was, yeah. But a weird kind of latchkey, like musician latchkey.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Well, you played the cello.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So would you be responsible for your own dinner?

[Erica Rhodes]

Kinda. I don't remember really having a lot of homemade meals.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Erica Rhodes]

And I ate a lot of cereal.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh yeah? Yeah.

[Erica Rhodes]

I think I lived off cereal and ramen. Yeah, those two things.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Erica Rhodes]

And yeah, my mom would make. Once in a while she'd make dinner, but it was sort of laissez faire.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. I had a mom who didn't make dinner, except for she wasn't in the philharmonics. She didn't do anything. She just did nothing.

[Erica Rhodes]

She just did nothing.

[Adam Carolla]

That's the TV dinner. That's fair. Yeah.

[Erica Rhodes]

So she was a stay. Was she a stay at home mom who wasn't momming?

[Adam Carolla]

She was a stay at home mom. My mom was a stay up, stay at home person.

[Erica Rhodes]

Okay.

[Adam Carolla]

I would just call it that.

[Erica Rhodes]

She was just staying at home.

[Adam Carolla]

She would stay at home and do the same thing whether she had kids or not kids. But she was staying at home.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I always imagined her in a muumu. I mean, is that accurate? No.

[Adam Carolla]

What was her.

[Erica Rhodes]

She wasn't an alcoholic, right?

[Craig Rothfeld]

No, she was just chilling.

[Adam Carolla]

She was just chilling. I guess there was kind of a moomoo, but there was sort of a joke, 70s, 80s Southern moo moo. And then there's just dresses fat people wore, which is never form fitting. You know, they're always kind of a nightmare.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I always imagine her in like maybe I just think of a cartoon. Bad mom.

[Erica Rhodes]

Was she more just passive? Yeah, that's sort of. That's more what I'm picturing.

[Adam Carolla]

No, but the cat. You see, you can't picture things. Things are stuff and stuff needs to be purchased and then effort needs to put effort in. You're wearing a cap because you have curlers under your hair or something.

[Erica Rhodes]

That's like a 60s mom. Right, the curlers. She just chillaxed an espresso martini.

[Craig Rothfeld]

A woman of leisure.

[Adam Carolla]

She would have never. I don't think my mom's ever had a martini in her life.

[Erica Rhodes]

Really?

[Craig Rothfeld]

That would require.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, she would have to go to like a steakhouse. Look, the image you need to have. My mom is no image really. That's the whole thing.

[Erica Rhodes]

She just wasn't contributing a lot.

[Adam Carolla]

She just was, you know, but she didn't do. She wasn't. She didn't do much. Everyone's mom's got their own story. Like my mom loved to go the track, you know, or she loved to drink at the. Whatever. She loved something, you know, it could be. It's detrimental sometimes. Maybe it's a waste of time. Maybe the reason she wasn't cooking dinner is cause she was at the casino. Cause she loved playing kino or something. Mom didn't have any of that. No trappings.

[Craig Rothfeld]

My mom went to a robo size. So my image in my photos of her in the 80s leggings with the thing.

[Adam Carolla]

That's kind of hot.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah, that's cool. My mom was into music and religion and reading and she had a lot of.

[Adam Carolla]

Your mom's an intellectual. I mean, Boston Pops is a big deal.

[Erica Rhodes]

And she was a lawyer. She got into Harvard Law.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh my God.

[Erica Rhodes]

And she turned it down.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh my God, what an overachiever.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah, she's very talented, type A.

[Craig Rothfeld]

She inspired a lot of discipline in you then.

[Erica Rhodes]

Cuz I could see your comedy.

[Adam Carolla]

You work hard.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I always see you post. I always see Instagram. You're a very hardworking woman. Oh, I appreciate that you're climbing the comedy ranks.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, thanks. I'm glad it looks like that.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I just have a rosy view then.

[Erica Rhodes]

No, no, I, I never know you. You feel sometimes like it's a hamster wheel where you just keep going, going, going.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I don't know where the. You know, the thing about comedy, I always tell everybody, you know, they go, oh, you do comedy because you come from ba ba ba. I go, look, who's your mom. And my mom couldn't be further away than a Jew and a Palestinian. Like they are. As far there is as much real estate between your mom and. My mom is a human being as.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Wide as the West Bank.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. As humans have ever created.

[Erica Rhodes]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

As you describe your mom and as I know my mom.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, we both ended up in comedy.

[Erica Rhodes]

But what about you? Yeah, your dad was more of a personality.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, a little, little bit. A little like my mom, just minus some of the, you know, depression, I guess. But he didn't do anything either, so I don't know. There was nothing that came from him either.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah, so it's just sort of an enigma when people get into it, I.

[Adam Carolla]

Think it's like you are funny and so you do it But I don't think it's much different than having curly hair or straight hair or something. We offer too much stuff into stuff. It's just like some genetic thing.

[Erica Rhodes]

That's true. I mean, did you find your parents funny at all, or. No.

[Adam Carolla]

My mom's the least funny person I've ever met in my entire life. My entire life.

[Erica Rhodes]

I'm like, fascinated now by your mom, really.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm not saying it's a put down, per se. She's just the least funny person I've ever met in my life. Wow.

[Erica Rhodes]

And then. But your dad's a little funny, a little bit funniest.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I'm sorry.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm sorry. My mom.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I know my mom listens and she's going, you better tell them I'm funny. My mom is the funniest, craziest lady on earth. So every time you see me, like, wig out like that, that's my mom.

[Erica Rhodes]

Is your mom high energy?

[Craig Rothfeld]

Oh, my God.

[Erica Rhodes]

She seems high energy.

[Adam Carolla]

She's a robocizer.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, she's a robocizer.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Still going strong.

[Erica Rhodes]

My mom's high energy, but she's like. I think my mom has a secret desire to be an actress. Like, she acts a lot, you know, just in.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, your mom, I mean, there's nothing she can't do, right?

[Erica Rhodes]

She's also like. She likes copywriting too. She'll, like, she'll edit people's books and stuff like that. And she's very good at Scrabble.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I gotta talk to this lady. Huh? I'm not good. I don't know all those things.

[Erica Rhodes]

You could call her in. She'd love it.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, let me ask you.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Oh, my goodness. That's a new level, Eric. Breaking the fourth wall.

[Adam Carolla]

I love it. Let me ask this. And by the way, you don't have to figure my mom out. You just think nothing. Just think nothing.

[Erica Rhodes]

We've stopped trying to figure it out now.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, now here's. I'm curious about self esteem and things of that nature. I'm always trying to figure it out with people.

[Erica Rhodes]

I think we talked about that last time, actually.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. And like I said, I see a lot of people just spit their gum on the sidewalk and I'm like, ugh, what the fuck? Like, put it. And I have. Well, I wouldn't say ruined pants, but I have. I've fucked up pants many times by going through them in the laundry.

[Craig Rothfeld]

That.

[Adam Carolla]

Go through laundry. And I realized I put gum in my pocket.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, my God.

[Adam Carolla]

Because I didn't have a wrapper. And I was standing somewhere in front of a movie theater or something, and I did not want to spit it onto the sidewalk. And there was nothing to do with it. And I literally just put it in my pocket, just one pocket. But the point is, is I would never do that, right? But I'm not even that good a person. I just wouldn't do it. But I have a wiring that. You're not supposed to affect other people in a negative way. But here's an interesting test.

[Erica Rhodes]

Okay.

[Adam Carolla]

I was doing some shows in Florida. I got into the elevator. I was on the third floor. It was just going from the third to the lobby the whole time I was there. But some reason it stopped on the second floor unexpectedly. And a guy walked onto the other. A nice middle aged guy holding up a Dewalt box, I think with a. With a screw gun or a saw, a circular saw on it or something. He walked on. Well, as right as I had called Mike August. And so right when the door open, I was. Mike was picking up in his room, and I said, how you doing? And this guy went, how you doing? As he walked into the elevator. I froze for a second. I had Mike on the line. This guy was so friendly and he seemed so happy. I said hi to him, but I didn't say hi to him. I said hi to Mike, but his timing. He said he just went with John.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Had two conversations at the same time, like a new year.

[Adam Carolla]

And I literally. I looked at the guy, he was smiling, and I looked down at the phone and I hung up on Mike.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Yeah, that's cool.

[Adam Carolla]

Mike's a big boy. Michael, get the fuck over it. And I knew I'd call him five minutes later when I got to talk.

[Erica Rhodes]

To the guy in the hallway.

[Adam Carolla]

No, not.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Oh, I thought you were a fan of the fans.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah, I thought you were making a choice.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Guy might be a fan. Get some.

[Adam Carolla]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Calm down. Do you think this a parable about me talking to fans over talking to Mike August, or.

[Erica Rhodes]

No, I did. I at first thought you were annoyed with the guy. No, I said, hi, you kind of liked him. And then it sounded like you hung up, that you made the choice to hang up, but now you're saying, do you.

[Adam Carolla]

But why did I hang up?

[Erica Rhodes]

I thought you were gonna engage with the other guy.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, well, if Dawson gets it, you two don't. That's.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

He hung up because he didn't want to explain to the guy. No, I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to all.

[Adam Carolla]

But you needed that for this, to get that out of this millennial.

[Erica Rhodes]

That is very thoughtful.

[Adam Carolla]

That's why, that's why I set the table with saying like a low self esteem, don't want to put other people out. That's why I led into the story.

[Erica Rhodes]

With that quick thinking. I don't think I would have thought that quickly. I would have just been like caught up in the moment and been like, oh, sorry, I'm not talking, you know, never.

[Adam Carolla]

I didn't want to say I'm not talking to you.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

I think that's what I didn't want to say. I've done that before.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, good. Yeah, I think you guys could understood it anyway.

[Erica Rhodes]

I understand it now. I just don't think I would have thought so quickly in the moment.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm glad that you're turning it into a compliment, but it wasn't much. The guy thought I said, hi, we're standing in an elevator and I didn't want to put my hand up to him and go, I'm on the phone.

[Craig Rothfeld]

So you get a business card, you get off on the same phone.

[Adam Carolla]

I just hung up. Because Mike's a big boy, number one. Number two, his phone's always cutting out. And number three, I'll be in the lobby in three minutes and I'll literally just call, call Mike right back and he'll be fine. Mike will even forget that we talk.

[Craig Rothfeld]

What's he doing with the circular saw? What is this guy going into the room to cut off a door and stuff?

[Adam Carolla]

We were heading down. Heading down, but I don't know what he was doing with it. But the point is, is I felt so weird and bad that this guy thought I said hi. It was going to make him uncomfortable when I said, I'm not talking to you, and he'd go, oh, sorry, you.

[Erica Rhodes]

Called him or he called you Mike. Did Mike call you or did you call him?

[Adam Carolla]

Let's go. Let's review the story. Let's review the story. I'm on the third floor.

[Erica Rhodes]

I can already hear the comments, like, coming down.

[Adam Carolla]

I call Mike. He picks up right when the guy walks in. And I go, how you doing? And the guy looks at me and he says, how you doing? And now we're alone in the elevator and he thinks I talked to him.

[Erica Rhodes]

I get it, I get it. You are taking care of the stranger. I thought you were taking care of Mike.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Yeah, by hanging up in the stranger.

[Erica Rhodes]

That's what I thought.

[Adam Carolla]

Why was I taking care of Mike?

[Erica Rhodes]

Because I thought you didn't. I thought you were saying hi to this stranger, and you didn't want to tell Mike that you weren't talking to him?

[Craig Rothfeld]

Cheating on him with a stranger with a circular slide.

[Adam Carolla]

I called Mike, and Mike picked up right with. All right, I'm going to move on to the next. I should work these things out in advance. Some of these are easy, some are difficult.

[Erica Rhodes]

No, I get it now. I get it now. I just think that you were overthinking it in the moment.

[Adam Carolla]

Nah, I get it. What do you. Well, actually, I didn't want to make the guy feel weird.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, yeah, no, that makes sense.

[Craig Rothfeld]

But I'm asking, what did you talk to this guy? That was it.

[Adam Carolla]

I asked him about a circular shaw.

[Craig Rothfeld]

What happened?

[Adam Carolla]

It wasn't that I needed to continue. It's that I didn't want to tell him I wasn't talking to him. When he started talking again in the elevator, I didn't want to put my hand up and point at the phone. Cause it's shaming. It's like. It's weird.

[Erica Rhodes]

I have a question similar to this, which is, if you're in a lift or a cab or something, do you ever make phone calls? And if you do, do you ask the driver, do you mind if I make a phone call? Or do you just make a phone call?

[Adam Carolla]

I will give a little primer. Well, first I'll size it up. Like, how thick is this guy's accent? Cause if it's super thick, we don't need to. I don't need to lay any groundwork for this, but I will either give the guy a little primer, or whoever I'm talking to, I will lay it in early. Like, I'll go, diane, I'm calling you from an Uber. And so he can get everything. But I don't just go, how's it going? Because then that's gonna get him to say something back.

[Erica Rhodes]

That's what I do, too. Yeah. I either say, do you mind if I make a call?

[Adam Carolla]

Or.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Damn, y' all got social anxiety disorder. I just like, yo, what's up? Hey, I'm gonna put you on speaker on my Uber right now. Hey, what are you doing, bro?

[Adam Carolla]

My greatest fear is to have that person think I'm engaging with them, and I'm not.

[Erica Rhodes]

Right? Yeah, exactly. That's.

[Adam Carolla]

I had it. I had it with Dancing with the Stars. I was using a little bathroom by the side stage. Had some little bathroom next to the stage, and I was like. I think I was standing. I was standing at the. I walked in. To hit the stall? No, to hit the urinal. And there was a guy in the stall. And, like, when I. As soon as I walked in, I just heard, hey, how's it going?

[Erica Rhodes]

And I was like, oh, my God.

[Adam Carolla]

But it's a crew. It's a small crew, and they get to know you, you know? So I was like, I pull up into the urinal. I'm like, not too shabby, you know, doing all right. And then I said, not too bad. Getting paid to take a crap, huh? And the guy goes, I'm on the phone. And then I felt shame wash over me. You see what I'm saying?

[Craig Rothfeld]

What was that? Chuck Liddell?

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah. No, I get that.

[Adam Carolla]

Difference, difference situation. I've had it happen in Larry's restaurant. Or, like, a big black guy, like, walked in and my back was turned. Right as the door swung open, he did a house. It go. You know, first off, you got to time it with the door opening. Yeah, that was the problem. The elevator doors open right as I said, how's it going? To Mike? And the guy was just standing right in front of me. And that's where the problem kicked in.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

You can't walk into a bathroom, yell, how's it going? And you can't have a guy walk in and you yell, how's it going? You got it. You got to time it.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah. I don't think you should be making phone calls in the bathroom. You don't think so now, that's not cool. Yeah, it's kind of gross.

[Adam Carolla]

But, you know, with these guys. Is it gross?

[Craig Rothfeld]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I mean, these guys, there's, like, stage guys, so when they get out, they're working. Like, they can't.

[Erica Rhodes]

But, like, your. Then your phone is contaminated, basically. Oh, in my head, I'm like, it's contaminated.

[Adam Carolla]

Wait, do I contaminate the person I'm calling to, or is it just limited to my phone?

[Erica Rhodes]

It's just your phone.

[Adam Carolla]

I didn't know how far we're gonna go with this.

[Erica Rhodes]

Doing whatever. You're doing what a man does when you're touching the phone, and then you go, oh, look at my picture.

[Craig Rothfeld]

No, no, but see, but it's your airpodation now, so you can, like, answer the phone like this. And that AirPods almost got a nice message to you.

[Erica Rhodes]

I'm picturing an actual. Yeah, I'm still picturing that the phone is somewhere in the vicinity with the hand.

[Adam Carolla]

But, you know, they always do this thing where they find more germs and fecal matter on the keyboard at work than they do on the toilet. Seat at work.

[Erica Rhodes]

Really?

[Adam Carolla]

You never hear those studies.

[Erica Rhodes]

No, it's always a good. That's because of your hands.

[Adam Carolla]

Whatever it is, it always turns out the innocuous thing that everyone handles their stuff in life we'll all handle like, okay, no one touches the handle at the door at the airport, you know, but then, then they walk out, they go to the kiosk and there's the cooler, and they just grab the handle, they slide. No one uses their sleeve or their elbow. Well, the cooler's just got a bunch of traveling hands on it, just like the bathroom handle does, you know, and they always do a test and they figure out that the. You know, that the seat cushion. You know what's gotta be the most contaminated thing on the planet is that donut that goes around your neck when you travel. It's always falling on the ground. It's on your backpack. You put it in the bathroom. What's the travel donut that goes around your neck?

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I don't use that.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, a lot of travel.

[Erica Rhodes]

One time during COVID I saw a guy literally crawl down under. You know that. The bar at the bank. Like, just like. So you're in the line, you know, he literally went down on the floor, crawled under it. So he's like literally on the rug to get hand sanitizer.

[Adam Carolla]

He didn't want to touch. He didn't want to touch the bar?

[Erica Rhodes]

No, no, he was like cutting in line, but he was like, somehow he thought that was the quickest way. So he wasn't even thinking about how gross the floor is. And literally was like his whole body was on the floor because he was so desperate to get the hand sandy.

[Craig Rothfeld]

So did he lube up after that? All over his body with a hand Sandy did.

[Adam Carolla]

So.

[Erica Rhodes]

It was the weirdest thing I've ever seen.

[Adam Carolla]

You don't like, but you're not germaphobic, right?

[Erica Rhodes]

Well, the more I travel, the more I become it because I just notice little things. Like in New York, everybody was coughing into the air.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Erica Rhodes]

Like they think that because you're outside and you walk past someone, you can just cough without covering your mouth.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't get the non hand coughers, but you know who's one? Dr. Drew.

[Erica Rhodes]

Really?

[Adam Carolla]

He doesn't. He coughs. He just. I've sat in the studio with him for 30 years. He just coughs right into the wild.

[Craig Rothfeld]

He'd rather not.

[Erica Rhodes]

That's a pet peeve of mine. I do not like that.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I don't like that even outside.

[Erica Rhodes]

Because outside you're like, someone has to. In New York, everybody's walking past each other.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you on that.

[Erica Rhodes]

And then I don't like when someone hands me their phone to put my number in or something, because I don't know where their phone's been.

[Adam Carolla]

In the bathroom, evidently.

[Erica Rhodes]

In the bathroom.

[Adam Carolla]

So not. You're not really germaphobic, but you got some thoughts?

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah, I have a little ocd, maybe.

[Adam Carolla]

I think most comedians have more thoughts about germs.

[Erica Rhodes]

Probably we just notice details more so we notice what people are doing.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Unless podcast, there's telling a story, in which case it gets a little fuzzy with the details. But okay, but okay. But you're talking about more hard details.

[Erica Rhodes]

Not like really difficult details where it's like a really hard story.

[Adam Carolla]

So you figure as a comedian, you're up in your head a little bit.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah, I think so.

[Adam Carolla]

And so you're walking around and you're kind of head's on a swivel and you're constantly going, what's up with this? And why not that? And how come this? Right.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And you're trying to cobble together some meaning where there's no meaning. But then sometimes you go, well, that's a joke. That could be something. Yeah. What's up with that? Right?

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah. You look for mini hypocrisies.

[Adam Carolla]

Too many hypocrisies.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm glad you brought up mini.

[Craig Rothfeld]

What's that mean? Like, I don't know, any of those words.

[Erica Rhodes]

Like coughing into the air, but then using hand sanitizer or something like that. That's like a mini hypocrisy.

[Dawson]

Great.

[Adam Carolla]

Speaking of mini, I was trying to get a thing going with Brad Williams. I spent a lot of time. I was. I spent a lot of time. Andrew, look up. I was telling you, look it up on my liked tweets, but somehow we got sidetracked right in the middle of the Brad Williams one. But I was trying to put together a list of things because I was telling you guys that I said that Brad Williams, when he gets a massage, should get charged less. But, like, at the car wash, they would charge more for a van than they would for a Miata because it's just more. You know what I mean?

[Erica Rhodes]

More of it. Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. So then. Yeah, what are you doing? There's a list. I put together a list in there, Andrew. I sent it off this morning, like 10. He laughed. And then I start thinking about stuff, you know, where he should be charged more or Less for like. So it was easy to do the less part. Like the buffet, you know, less.

[Erica Rhodes]

Because he's gonna eat less.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Everybody.

[Adam Carolla]

Now you're thinking like a comedian. Well, less than. Less than mayhem.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I'll whoop it down if we go buffet.

[Erica Rhodes]

I'm sure he has a big appetite. He's a strong guy. Like, he probably eats like, that would be like saying women should be charged less because they eat less.

[Adam Carolla]

I think women should be charged less at the buffet. And women should be charged less for flight because they weigh less.

[Erica Rhodes]

That's true.

[Adam Carolla]

And they're, they're weighing your bag, so they should weigh you. You know, you're 300 pounds, your bag's 51 pounds, and you got to pay. And then there's a 130 pound chick whose bag is weighed as well. Like, why isn't. Combined. I've just combined the two. Yeah, and whatever you use. Yeah, listen, I'm guessing that hundred pound people eat less than 200 pound people at a buffet. I'm gonna go out on a lane.

[Erica Rhodes]

They're not gonna weigh everybody before they go into the buffet and say, this is what we're gonna charge you.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Oh, no. At Corolla Airlines, we will.

[Adam Carolla]

So I am. I was trying to think of things they should charge more for or less for. Okay, so. And it goes both directions. I think they should be charged. I think Brad should get a break on the buffet and the massage, but he should be charged more for a bed because a regular sized bed is like a California king to him.

[Erica Rhodes]

Okay.

[Adam Carolla]

I am six two, and I got a long wingspan and a regular twin or whatever. My feet hang off the end. Like it's not.

[Erica Rhodes]

But then what about kids? Like, you should charge kids less for a bed.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, kids are gonna grow out of this and they don't purchase their own beds.

[Erica Rhodes]

That's true.

[Adam Carolla]

So. And I'm trying to remove the kids items from the table.

[Erica Rhodes]

Okay?

[Adam Carolla]

Like Mike August said belts. And then I said, well, you can buy a kid's belt and they would charge you.

[Erica Rhodes]

Like, you can substitute it for slang.

[Adam Carolla]

You can't say Nikes. You can't. You can't say clothes because it's kids.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah, kids clothes cost. Well, that's what I think. So Aviator Nation, you know that, that brand, that's really expensive. I wanted to get my nephew a sweatshirt from there that cost the same as an adult sweatshirt.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really?

[Erica Rhodes]

They were tiny. They were little baby sweatshirts.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know. Like, what is a Nike for a four year old, a Nike for a Four year old has to be cheaper than a Nike for a 30 year old, right?

[Erica Rhodes]

Sometimes it's not.

[Adam Carolla]

I know. That's what I'm saying. Nike, though. I'm saying. Getting specific.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay. Anyway, Buffet. I think they should be charged more for rent.

[Erica Rhodes]

Why? Oh, cause they have more space, Per.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. I mean, everything's a vaulted ceiling to Brad. You know what I mean? I'm hitting my head on the ceiling. Fans that go by. Everything is spacious. It's all bigger, Right. It's a bigger place. Somebody brought up. Somebody brought. I can't remember who. So you can get back now. Go. Let's. Let me finish the top, please. Thank you. That. Well, I was going to try that.

[Erica Rhodes]

Dwarf coughing.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Dwarf coughing. That's brutal.

[Adam Carolla]

I'll get to the. I'll do the tap and then we can scroll through. Somebody said jewelry, and I was like.

[Erica Rhodes]

Why jewelry sparkles bright? Well, more diamond purse.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Yeah, yeah.

[Erica Rhodes]

Per square.

[Adam Carolla]

Just a little pendant would look like a big medallion or like a engagement. A small wedding band look like a Super bowl ring. That's true. Yeah. Why? That's why. All right, now, so we got jewelry. And then somebody brought up those mini bottles of tequila or vodka. We used to call them travelers, but I think they call them shooters.

[Erica Rhodes]

That he should. That he should be charged more for those.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes, yes.

[Erica Rhodes]

I'm getting it.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm getting on. Right? Yeah, more for that. Because that's like, you know.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah, he could get drunk off that.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, you know, they would say Andre the Giant could drink like 131 beers. You know what I mean? And like seven bottles of wine. All right. He's Andre the Giant.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So what's Andre the Giant gonna do with one of those?

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah. No.

[Adam Carolla]

So let's just keep doing the math. See what I'm saying?

[Erica Rhodes]

Yep.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, so let's scroll down here.

[Erica Rhodes]

Let's see lap dances. It's more of a leg dance for them.

[Adam Carolla]

Bathtub somebody has on there. It is true. A bathtub becomes a jacuzzi.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Erica Rhodes]

Every seat is like first class.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah, I brought that up. And then somebody said, yeah, but they weigh so much less that in a way they should be getting it back. You know what I mean? I mean, back to my original thought, he's not weighing as much as a big dude. All right, so we've covered that.

[Erica Rhodes]

What about a gym membership? Because he probably can't use all the equipment.

[Adam Carolla]

That's. That's good, right? Gym membership. He's not going to use that. Chin up bar. Yeah, that's Right. Let's see. They should get into their fair for free. Not tall enough for 75% of the rides. Oh, we're talking of amusement parks. They should get. Oh, the fair. Sorry. They should get into the fair. Yeah, I was kind of thinking about that. Like, if you weren't tall enough to ride half the rides at Disneyland, then you wouldn't be in line at the Matterhorn or Space Mountain or whatever. I was thinking about that as well.

[Craig Rothfeld]

They should pay less for their geese.

[Adam Carolla]

Less for their geese.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I had a training partner who was a dwarf. Well, yeah, but I would let him choke me. He was stand up and walk around and, like, let him get into full Jiu Jitsu, squeeze on my neck.

[Adam Carolla]

But is. But see, Pretty good training partner. Now we're getting into kids geese. Yeah, well, they don't make dwarf keys. They make.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I think they do. It's different. Like they're shaped different than a kid bud.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, that's true, but I'm gonna go on a limb and say they don't make dwarf geese. I bet they make geese for nine year olds or small geese or junior geese or something.

[Craig Rothfeld]

42A. Oh, a jiu Jitsu jacket, like a judo uniform. It's a very specific, you know, a wrestling gi.

[Erica Rhodes]

Okay, now, have you asked. Have you run this by him? Have you asked him?

[Adam Carolla]

I ran the car wash notion by him. He agreed.

[Erica Rhodes]

Okay.

[Adam Carolla]

Which was mixed with the massage. You know, the massage is a little flawed in that you're still gonna get 50 minutes. So they just go up and down you five times versus three times. You know what I mean? But I like the thought of him getting a break.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And that's that. That's the jumping. That's the jumping off point. They don't make GIs for dwarfs, everybody.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Aw, thanks for telling me, but I already.

[Adam Carolla]

I already knew that. But they make small GIs because every kid gets into it at age 6 and they gotta get a new GI every year. Right, right.

[Erica Rhodes]

What about bungee jumping? Cause if you. You should have to pay more because he would get. He would go further up, farther up when he jumped.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, you don't jump up. I mean, I think you go down.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, you go. I thought you went up and then down on the bungee. Yeah, well, I thought you start up, and then I thought you went. I thought you kind of like swing.

[Adam Carolla]

No, you jump off a bridge.

[Erica Rhodes]

Okay. And then you jump. Isn't it called bungee because it goes up, too?

[Adam Carolla]

It springs. It pulls you up.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah, so he'd go farther up well.

[Adam Carolla]

He might, but he wouldn't stretch it as far on the way down.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, this is a. Now we don't have.

[Adam Carolla]

No, I don't know that it would be the opposite, but I'm just saying, like a 200 pound guy would stretch it further and then spring up further.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

He should pay kid rates if there.

[Erica Rhodes]

Is such a spot for bungee jumping.

[Dawson]

I see.

[Adam Carolla]

A hundred pounder would stretch it less but lighter on the way back up.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Now what about something like property wise, like a fence? Does he pay less for the fence because he needs.

[Erica Rhodes]

Probably. But even get as high of a fence doesn't need as high.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Other people could totally get in his fence.

[Adam Carolla]

Does he have a dwarf dog?

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

That's a good question.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm going to say no because defense is to keep able bodied, black or any color person. I should say out. It's not to keep you in, but I get where your head's at. So we have to kind of figure. We have to kind of. Well, this is why you have to talk it through. I mean, Mike and I, we were in a rental car for five hours and Mike's going, well, what about yarmulkes? And I'm like, no, no, no, no. But he had a few that we had to hear him out.

[Erica Rhodes]

Out.

[Adam Carolla]

Like there are things that are weird, you know, like dental fillings.

[Erica Rhodes]

No, no, no.

[Adam Carolla]

He thought he was on to something with belts. I told me kids belts. He told me kids don't wear belts. It's a stupid bike argument.

[Erica Rhodes]

Overlap with the kid thing. It's. It's complicated.

[Adam Carolla]

You got to be careful with the kid thing because it initially it gets into shoes and belts and clothes.

[Erica Rhodes]

And he doesn't want to. He also doesn't want to be treated like a kid. So you can't be like, you're gonna get the kid discount, you know, like you don't want that.

[Adam Carolla]

I, I'm assuming, I'm assuming you just have a size four shoe.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And then you just go online and you just buy size 4 Nikes. That's where we're at now. Now back in the old dwarf days with Snow White and sneezing everybody, they had to go into the Sears kids department. Like you had to go in there.

[Erica Rhodes]

Right, right. But do you think he gets a discount at say a museum? Because museums have kid rates and senior rates. But would they have rates for him.

[Adam Carolla]

At a museum if he was a veteran?

[Erica Rhodes]

So no.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Again, it can't all just be kids. Seniors, they're like veterans.

[Erica Rhodes]

He should get a discount at a museum. Because he has to look up higher at the paintings.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. That's annoying. I don't think that that doesn't count.

[Erica Rhodes]

When you have to look up and then people are blocking your way. Have you seen a Van Gogh lately? People will just stand in front of the Van Gogh.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, and you're just staring at assholes.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah. You can't even see. So he has to wait for everybody.

[Adam Carolla]

At this point, I would give anybody a discount who couldn't jump up and desecrate a poster or a painting in the name of ecology or the earth or know global warming. If you. If I deemed you were either in a wheelchair, over 80 or under 5 foot tall, and I'd be like, you can't throw paint on the Mona Lisa.

[Erica Rhodes]

Or. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Or super glue yourself to remoir like, then fine. I'm gonna give you all a break. Anyone who can't fuck up this museum, I'll give you a break.

[Erica Rhodes]

That's what I think is fair. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. All right. Okay, Dawson.

[Erica Rhodes]

All right.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Should certainly pay less for concerts tickets.

[Adam Carolla]

Concert tickets. Yeah. Because you can't block anyone's view. You can't see. But if I was gonna go see, like, you know, like when I took the. When I took Brad the Lilith Fair that time, he was on my shoulders the entire goddamn time. So he. The thing about being a dwarf at a concert, you either get horrible a horrible view or the best view in the house because you're the only dude on another dude.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Imagining taking him to Slayer and like picking him up, body locking him, throw him in the. And everybody rolling them around.

[Adam Carolla]

We did that too.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Cool.

[Erica Rhodes]

We did that too.

[Adam Carolla]

Different night, of course. Lilithaire was awesome. We found a clip of a dwarf bungee jumping.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, good. This is what I really wanted to see. What this looked like.

[Adam Carolla]

Sick. It's a dwarf.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, my God.

[Adam Carolla]

But we're still. We're not gonna.

[Erica Rhodes]

It looks so fun.

[Adam Carolla]

We're not gonna be able to compare the bounce back.

[Erica Rhodes]

I think he doesn't bounce.

[Craig Rothfeld]

That was adorable.

[Adam Carolla]

He doesn't stretch it as far.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, my God. It look fun though, for him. Look how much he's waving around.

[Craig Rothfeld]

You never done bungee jumping?

[Erica Rhodes]

No, I've never done it.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Oh, yeah. I've done it many times.

[Erica Rhodes]

One time that's really violent to me.

[Craig Rothfeld]

It is pretty violent. I crawled up underneath a bridge in the Snake River Canyon and then.

[Adam Carolla]

Snake River Canyon.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Erica Rhodes]

Wow. He looks like he's having a good time of his life, this guy.

[Adam Carolla]

He was so basically with the dwarf.

[Erica Rhodes]

It's even More fun.

[Craig Rothfeld]

He's amped. More adrenaline per square meter.

[Erica Rhodes]

All right, so you pay more.

[Adam Carolla]

No, no, I don't think I.

[Erica Rhodes]

You get to fly. You get to fly.

[Dawson]

I think.

[Adam Carolla]

No, no, no. Because a heavy guy stretches it further and springs further.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Well, then have him hold a watermelon on the way down.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know. I don't know if you caught the ethnicity of the dwarf, but I don't feel like a watermelon would be appropriate. Perhaps a cassava.

[Erica Rhodes]

After 10 minutes of dwarf jokes, you're like, I don't. We went a little dry.

[Adam Carolla]

The African American dwarf with a watermelon. All right. A sandbag. Anything but a watermelon.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I thought they were in London. That's a African English. I mean something.

[Adam Carolla]

Jackass has a clip of a dwarf and a fat guy tethered together. Bungee jumping.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, my God. Is it more fun? Maybe he goes up higher than.

[Adam Carolla]

Is it dwarf? I don't write them down.

[Dawson]

I just draw a picture.

[Erica Rhodes]

And fat. He just drew a picture of doing this.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Not if you.

[Adam Carolla]

Picture of a fat ass and a little guy.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, my God. You can find everything now. We.

[Adam Carolla]

Man, Jason, how do you compare this kind of athleticism to what you guys do? You guys are a hell of a lot more athletic than us. Oh, Jason Taylor, who I did Dancing with the Stars with.

[Erica Rhodes]

You did?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Is that what the guy.

[Adam Carolla]

Jason Taylor was a defensive end for Miami.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, wow.

[Adam Carolla]

For the Dolphins. All right. So how are they doing this, though? I don't get it.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

First.

[Adam Carolla]

No, he's not going first. He's anchoring.

[Erica Rhodes]

It doesn't look that high.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, Only the fat guys. What?

[Craig Rothfeld]

You had to know they were going. You had to know.

[Erica Rhodes]

It's jackass that was just jumping in the water.

[Dawson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Craig Rothfeld]

But, you know, they put some pizzazz on it.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't think we've proven anyone's point in this one. But that being said, it looks fun. There must be an optimal wait that was so difficult for bungee jumping because 700 pound guy is going to stretch it far, but his bounce back is going to be limited because he's £700.

[Craig Rothfeld]

No. Well, yeah. I bet you if they're going to bounce you that far, if they're going to rate you for £700, then that. Because I hung out with the stuntmen that do this and they had the bands tailored to how. It's not one band. It's like a bunch of them in a whole connect band. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that. So if you're heavier, they Give it. You know, and if you're lighter, they give you a funner ride. They're like less of those.

[Erica Rhodes]

But you're not allowed to bungee jump if you're like £300, right?

[Adam Carolla]

I would. I would say they put a ceiling on that.

[Erica Rhodes]

Like 200. Well, what I mean is 250, maybe.

[Craig Rothfeld]

It's a bunch of different bands, so I don't know. They. They could tailor it while you got a 300 pound friend. Does your mom want to go bungee jumping?

[Adam Carolla]

That would be something. And she would not engage in that. But I'm glad you did it it, Dawson.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Yeah, I went bungee jumping once, but I think Brad Williams should pay more money for sod.

[Adam Carolla]

Sod?

[Erica Rhodes]

What's that?

[Adam Carolla]

What are keys? What's sod? I don't know.

[Craig Rothfeld]

You're getting education today.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Square footage wise, he gets a lot more lawn.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Yeah, yeah. He's on a golf course because he's a little man.

[Erica Rhodes]

Things. I'm not supposed to know what these are.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, you wouldn't know.

[Craig Rothfeld]

She was a dainty lady.

[Adam Carolla]

More for sod. Because, like, a Pop Warner field is like a full size NFL stadium to him. Right.

[Erica Rhodes]

I have a good one.

[Adam Carolla]

More for sod.

[Erica Rhodes]

Mini golf. You should pay for.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, it's like regular golf.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Yeah, he's paying the clubhouse dues.

[Erica Rhodes]

He should pay.

[Adam Carolla]

That's good. Miniature golf. But I would also argue he should get a caddy and a golf cart.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah, he should do the whole thing.

[Adam Carolla]

He should go full size golf on miniature golf. Like a caddy comes pulling up all the perks, he gets down on one knee, and they start talking about in front of the windmill at the end, like, what club do you use?

[Craig Rothfeld]

Sprinkles of grass.

[Adam Carolla]

Little sprinkle of grass just where the wind is blowing. Yeah, yeah. Miniature golf. There you go. All right, you're back.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

Phew.

[Dawson]

Whoo.

[Erica Rhodes]

That was a close one.

[Adam Carolla]

I was looking. There's this commercial that keeps running, and it's like anime for some pharmaceutical company out of Sweden or something. And I can't make out what it is. Like, it's weird. It's a little erotic. It's for Vanda Pharmaceuticals, and they do stuff for, I don't know, schizophrenia and other stuff. They keep running the same ad. I've seen it for the last six months ones. It's. It's weird. Anime. It's a chick that looks a lot like you.

[Erica Rhodes]

Wait, now I want to see.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Craig Rothfeld]

You're saying this is an ad for what?

[Adam Carolla]

Pharmaceutical pharmaceuticals. Okay.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, I haven't seen this.

[Adam Carolla]

We've turned their sound.

[Erica Rhodes]

Wow, this is fancy.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah.

[Erica Rhodes]

It does look kind of like me.

[Adam Carolla]

Anime.

[Erica Rhodes]

Did you get the outfit?

[Adam Carolla]

Ponvori is approved for the treatment of relapsing forms of multiple.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, that's what my dad had.

[Adam Carolla]

Lowers the number of white blood cells. Lymphocytes in your blood usually.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

I don't think this is it.

[Adam Carolla]

This is one of them. It's never the one I want.

[Craig Rothfeld]

We're getting the backstory of this anime girl in a red suit.

[Adam Carolla]

Cause your heart rate to slow down.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Climbing up out of psoriasis.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

This voiceover is too good at English.

[Adam Carolla]

Stroke or other severe heart condition. Including anime.

[Erica Rhodes]

It has nothing to do with so chat.

[Craig Rothfeld]

GBT made this girl or made the.

[Adam Carolla]

Drug in high blood pressure.

[Erica Rhodes]

Starting treatment.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know.

[Erica Rhodes]

She's gonna fire you think this is AI?

[Adam Carolla]

She's gonna fire up the Eiffel Tower.

[Erica Rhodes]

What does this have anything to do with ms? Like it's not showing anyone.

[Adam Carolla]

Your dad had ms?

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Remember when the power went out for the city and they said, herb, climb up to the top and throw the master switch so we can read. Is that.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah, that happened.

[Adam Carolla]

That happened. Right?

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah, that usually happens when you have.

[Adam Carolla]

I haven't developed a lot of cities, but I don't think there's one master breaker that's on the top of a tower that takes the whole city down. I don't even know how it got tripped, but find the one I want, which is not.

[Erica Rhodes]

This must be AI, right?

[Craig Rothfeld]

I mean, it was just animation. Yeah, I'm just making a joke because everything's AI now.

[Erica Rhodes]

But who pitched that? Who was like, I know what we're gonna do?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, they also do one for Sky. I don't know. Andrew, you saw it, so find me the other one. They do one for schizophrenia.

[Erica Rhodes]

I haven't seen these ads. It's weird.

[Adam Carolla]

It's always the one I don't want, but that'll do. It's because the same company and the same animation, it just has nothing to do with it. Oh, this chick looks like you too.

[Erica Rhodes]

Every block. They're stealing my identity.

[Adam Carolla]

Finept Iloperidone is approved for adults with bipolar 1 disorder with acute misdemeanor, mixed or manic episodes. Unlike some Drugs for bipolar 1 disorder, nausea, vomiting and restlessness are not common with Vinapt. Hold on. You pause it for a second. Maybe it's so. I don't know what the rules are for animation, but here in the States, you gotta stuff a couple black people in your commercial. Right. Like, this is.

[Erica Rhodes]

Well, this is Sweden. Sweden, you said.

[Adam Carolla]

I think it's Swedish. It's called Vanda Pharmaceuticals. It must all be out of Sweden. And they just started pumping.

[Craig Rothfeld]

We'll do it in post. We'll do it in post.

[Adam Carolla]

Post.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Here there's. There's no diversity in this. It's just blonde. Other blonde and blonder.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah, but you. She kind of looks like you too. Anime.

[Adam Carolla]

Anime. All right. We keep playing it. Sorry. And restlessness are not common with the Neptune. May be associated with serious side effects.

[Erica Rhodes]

Like her parents.

[Adam Carolla]

Elderly patients with dementia related psychosis treated with antipsychotics are at increased risk of stroke or death.

[Erica Rhodes]

Those shoes, too.

[Adam Carolla]

Too.

[Craig Rothfeld]

It's working.

[Adam Carolla]

I want some of this drug.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I gotta tell you.

[Adam Carolla]

Elderly with dementia related psychosis. Fanapt prolongs the QT interval.

[Erica Rhodes]

She weighed with abnormal.

[Adam Carolla]

She had dark hair. I don't know if she was 5% or more. Of people in clinical trials. Hypertension, weight gain. A blonde guy come pick me up. And increases in liver enzymes have been observed. These are not all the side effects. Talk to your prescriber and learn [e-mail] by Vanda Pharmaceuticals. All right. We've entered into a new, weird, dangerous Orwellian world. I don't even know what's going on anymore. I watched a View the other day because when you travel, you watch TV shows you've never seen before because you're completely off your grid. You can't have the shows you've saved. There's no Netflix. Like, you just plop down in the room, you turn the TV on and whatever's on, that's all you got. Yeah, and I watched a View and. And. But I. I study the View like a. Like a. Like a commander up on a bluff looking down at the enemy. You know what I mean? Like, I want to see how they. What they do. When do they eat? Got you a bunch of sleep. Yeah. By God, Rommel, I read your book. Not a bad George C. Scott there.

[Erica Rhodes]

So who is a guest? They usually have a guest, right?

[Adam Carolla]

It's. It's always. Oh, it was. It was a Pollard. No, it was. No, it was. What's her name? Washington. Kerry Washington and her husband, who are in some sort of action movie and whatever. Who cared? Blacktivist stuff. Oh, my God. But whatever. She's. These people are all activists now. But anyway. Or agitators or whatever. But they went to commercial break. It's like 11 in the morning on a Friday. It's all pharmaceuticals. Everything Is a pharmaceutical now. It's all fucking pharmaceuticals. Like everybody is just completely beat up on pharmaceuticals.

[Erica Rhodes]

Wow.

[Adam Carolla]

This Vanda company does multiple sclerosis stuff. And what, the other one. And bipolar has nothing to with do.

[Erica Rhodes]

With each other either. No one's neurological. One is, you know.

[Adam Carolla]

So your dad never leapt up from his wheelchair and yelled, the town is in darkness and somebody's got to stop this now. Bound to a tower.

[Erica Rhodes]

I don't recall one of the things.

[Adam Carolla]

But you don't know for sure.

[Erica Rhodes]

No, I don't know for sure. Yeah, one time. One time he did pretend that he could spy on us from his computer at work. That would be the closest to like being a spy.

[Adam Carolla]

All right.

[Erica Rhodes]

Being in a spy movie.

[Adam Carolla]

This is. They're both super slender blondes who are very Swedish looking, going about their business.

[Erica Rhodes]

And it has nothing to do with, I think they're almost like trying, they're, I think it's more hypnotic. Like they're trying to hypnotize you into being like, I think I need this. You know, it's not literal.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

I, I think you were onto something in the beginning when you said that anime is kind of taking over. People want to be furry animals. People want to be cartoon characters.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah, that's true.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

People identify.

[Adam Carolla]

Hold on. She worked at a level. It looked like a little base.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Little, Little shop lingerie.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I thought it was she beignets in there.

[Adam Carolla]

I, I, oh, oh, oh, yeah, you're right. But that being said.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Shouldn't Brad Williams have to pay more for pastry? That being said, I'm apropos of nothing. A pastry. That's a birthday cake. You know, one Danish, right. Is a frisbee of Danish to him.

[Erica Rhodes]

That's true. And they're all too big anyway.

[Adam Carolla]

A bear claw to him.

[Erica Rhodes]

I mean, I'm not even gonna get into donuts because that's danger.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

There are burritos in this world that are larger than brat.

[Adam Carolla]

No, he's right.

[Erica Rhodes]

And paste and pastries.

[Adam Carolla]

All right. So are those the only two? Vanda, there's only two I've ever seen. And I still can't figure out what they're plugging or selling. But I'm in. Like, I'd like some.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

It's a medication for bipolar one, I believe they said at the top.

[Craig Rothfeld]

If it works, man, I hope a lot of people make as much.

[Adam Carolla]

See, there was, there was a part in it when. And so she sees a well adjusted couple enjoying themselves and she's like, okay, that's what I could be.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, I didn't even read into that.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

It's almost a trigger.

[Adam Carolla]

Her Ken doll boyfriend walks up on her and she goes, huh? And then she goes, ah. Cause she's like, I'm bipolar, but I took my medication.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Yeah.

[Erica Rhodes]

She sees the older couple like, this could be my future. Kind of.

[Adam Carolla]

She sees that. But watch, her boyfriend walks up on her and she goes like, oh, shit. Because she's bipolar. But then she reels it in. Watchiness, hypertension. Yeah, yeah, we're in trouble.

[Erica Rhodes]

But then what are the. What do the keys represent? The keys to happiness.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Erica Rhodes]

Keys to a stable.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Yeah, she.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

She just got the key to his apartment.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Yeah.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Take this.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Bipolar have a problem.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Yeah, yeah. You will be able to move in with your boyfriend.

[Erica Rhodes]

I don't think it has anything to do with bipolar, like the whole ad.

[Craig Rothfeld]

No, but it does. If you know people with bipolar. Like, this ad makes a lot of sense to me. I see it.

[Erica Rhodes]

I do know people with bipolar, but it's not. These aren't the issues they have.

[Adam Carolla]

What, what are they living in Sweden?

[Erica Rhodes]

No, they go. They either have manic episodes where they get really heightened feelings, or they. Or they feel really depressed and can't get out of bed. But this is just like, am I scared of my boyfriend? Oh, no, I'm not. And that's the whole story.

[Adam Carolla]

The end. Well, she goes into work, she sees a nice couple that could be her and her boyfriend if she stays on this medication.

[Craig Rothfeld]

That's what I mean. Like, if she's stable, if she stays stable, she gets all these good things.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Craig Rothfeld]

And now she got, you know, this happy.

[Erica Rhodes]

Well, also, clearly trying to appeal to women, you know, because they're both. The leads are women. It's sort of soft, kind of soothing color. It's very feminine. It's very relationship oriented, you know, So I think they're aiming this at women, not men. Men aren't like, I need the drug. It's a woman being like, oh, I feel depressed. Maybe I need that.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know. I mean, we can look it up. I tend to think more women. Here's what I know about women. Women, they believe things can affect them more than maybe I believe things can affect them. Like, I've had talked to women. They're like, you gotta throw away that aluminum water container, you know? And I go, why not? Cause it gets bacteria in there or whatever. And I go, it's fine. I read bacteria. Well, so I'll clean it out.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. You know, even if you clean it, the article I read said that the bacteria and Then they go and, like, Covid. Every woman I know dove headlong into Covid. Like, don't touch the box. Put the glove.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

My daughter wanted me to send her a picture of me wearing gloves in the supermarket.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, my God.

[Adam Carolla]

And my son gave two and a half shits what I was doing.

[Erica Rhodes]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

And my daughter was like, constantly, like, if you're on the road and you're coming back from the. You know, you're in the airport, you need to take your shoes off. So I'm just gonna say from my. My observations, and I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing, it's probably like, you know, women are better moms. They're tuned in a little more. Guys are a little detuned, you know, but they are a little more worried about talking on your phone in the bathroom than, let's say the dudes are. I have none of that. I don't believe in any of it. I think it's all bad for you. I think the pharmaceutical shit's bad for you. I think Purell's bad for you. I think f. Soap's bad for you too. Everything is bad for you. And I don't touch any of it. Antibiotics are bad for you. Everything is bad for you, but. Except for dirt and meat and just stuff.

[Erica Rhodes]

But I think meat's bad for you.

[Adam Carolla]

Women are more. They're more finely tuned. And I talk to women all the time who go, like, I'll eat red meat and then I'll start to feel tired. Or I'll have chocolate, and then I'll catch a buzz off the chocolate and I'll go. I didn't even know what the you talk about. I wouldn't even know what I ate or how I feel or whatever. But. So it's.

[Erica Rhodes]

I do know men who are sensitive, though.

[Adam Carolla]

This is a good.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I drive my body.

[Adam Carolla]

Like, I will continue in that.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

It's a higher percentage.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm not saying I know tons of. Don't get me wrong, Hollywood is lousy with dudes who tell you what, everything, how everything makes them feel.

[Erica Rhodes]

Exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

Look for breaks, bracelets, and you probably get. You'll get some answers. But it would strike me that women would be the target for this stuff because dudes have a little more like, I need to get laid and kind of shake this off, or I need to get out and fucking get in a fight, or I need to go the track and win a few. I need to get a little lucky or something. Like, I'm gonna shake this off. You know, women's a Much more like injustice. This is how I feel. This is why I'm feeling this way. So it does strike me that they probably use women on this stuff. But then the question is women.

[Erica Rhodes]

Let's just say also more women are diagnosed, I think, with both of those things.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, right.

[Erica Rhodes]

Bipolar and Ms. Oh, really?

[Adam Carolla]

More MS?

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah, more women have Ms.

[Adam Carolla]

So let's say Americans under the age of 40. What percent of males versus females are on some sort of pharmacological. I'm not talking about stuff for skin rashes, but I mean sort of psychopharma stuff. Stuff. That's stuff.

[Erica Rhodes]

Do you think, like, all of the US or are you talking about certain, like, cities or.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm talking about just Des Moines.

[Erica Rhodes]

Not as many. Not as la.

[Adam Carolla]

Whatever the capital of Iowa was. Yeah.

[Erica Rhodes]

What percentage of women versus men?

[Adam Carolla]

No, Americans.

[Erica Rhodes]

Okay, I'm guessing men versus women. 65, 40. 65%.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Yeah. I'm going say America loves drugs.

[Erica Rhodes]

65, 80%. Not that many.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I mean, of adults, like regular adults.

[Adam Carolla]

Wait, are you on everybody now?

[Craig Rothfeld]

Everybody has like a.

[Adam Carolla]

Hold on, let me break this. Maybe I'll take a break and we'll. We'll get it straight.

[Erica Rhodes]

Are you talking about Deloitte?

[Adam Carolla]

Okay, here we go. No, no. Okay, I'm gonna say this again. I'll go slow. United States men versus women. Oh.

[Dawson]

Oh.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's the one.

[Erica Rhodes]

That's the part we missed.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, we missed the five minutes into the survey. I guess it's a theme.

[Erica Rhodes]

We both have ADHD.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay. Men versus women. So. Sorry. In the United States, men versus women under the age of 40. Pharma, psychological drugs. All right.

[Erica Rhodes]

Okay, I'm going to make a. Can we make guesses?

[Craig Rothfeld]

Oh, we have.

[Adam Carolla]

David, you can make a guess. Go ahead.

[Erica Rhodes]

Okay. 65% of women and 30% of men.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Would it be 65? 35. I mean, I know.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah, 30 and 65.

[Adam Carolla]

I. 30 and 65. But that's a grand total of 95.

[Craig Rothfeld]

No, no, you're saying.

[Erica Rhodes]

You were saying men versus women.

[Craig Rothfeld]

We're saying what percentage of the American population.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Of people that are on the pharmaceuticals. Not the entire nation. You have to be on the pharmaceuticals.

[Craig Rothfeld]

What percentage more women.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah. Okay, now we're getting somewhere. So what percentage of women.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Oh, okay. Versus men.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm doing a women versus men thing.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, okay. You mean. I think it's 30% more women than men are on pharmaceuticals.

[Adam Carolla]

30% more.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah, 30% more. That's what we're doing 30% more.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

66, 33.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

66, 33.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, Mayhem. What do you got?

[Craig Rothfeld]

Oh, yeah, I'm going 80. Still like, I think it's like mostly women that take this because they more prone to treat them.

[Adam Carolla]

80 to 20%.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Yeah. To treat themselves.

[Adam Carolla]

80, 20.

[Erica Rhodes]

Wow. It's a big difference.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I was thinking more of a 60. 40. 60. You know, 66, 33. I kind of had it at the 2/3 mark.

[Dawson]

Half.

[Adam Carolla]

Somewhere between half and 2/3. Let's see. 4, 18 to 44 age group, around 40% of men and 66% of women use prescription drugs. Well, yeah, but that's still just prescription. But I guess it'll shake out. It's a higher percentage of women. So it would make sense that the View would advertise stuff and that this company would use the blonde anime girl.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[Erica Rhodes]

I feel like the men's interpretation of feminism now is just never helping us with anything that's a feminist now. Like, the number of times the tiniest woman helps me with my luggage on the plane, it's always the tiniest woman, like a woman like you who's like, oh, I'm gonna join in and help her. And then we're both struggling and we're both like, trying to get it up. Like, no, you've got it. Okay. You've got that side. You've got. And then a strong man's like, they've got it. I'm a feminist. Don't want to offend them.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Erica Rhodes is on the Adam Carolla show.

[Adam Carolla]

Erica's got dates all over. Very funny. Standup comedian. And you can just go to ericarodesomedy.com for all live dates. I got my new vlog coming out. It is out as we speak on the whole burning and everything of Palisades and Malibu. And I got my buddy Glenn, the contractors back up this week.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, nice.

[Adam Carolla]

Handling the cleanup on PH at.

[Erica Rhodes]

When do you move back pch?

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know, but you can check that [e-mail]. we had a stat up there, Andrew, that you took down right before this, which is interesting. In general, higher percentage of women than men report taking psychiatric medications. Specifically, One study found 21% of women reported taking psychiatric drugs compared to 12% of men. So that is almost twice as many.

[Erica Rhodes]

So our theory, almost 50%.

[Adam Carolla]

80.

[Craig Rothfeld]

20.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, wait, so almost ours was like 30 years? Was 80?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, somewhere between.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. But almost twice as much. Yes. All right, what do we got, man?

[Craig Rothfeld]

All right, what we got is a couple of check in desk agents got terminated from their gigs at Frontier Airlines for mocking a customer in a viral video.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. And you think, oh, you're gonna check me in? I bet you she works there. By the way, I paid for a ticket. You check in three hours later. Hello. I just said that I. Yeah, I just said that I would pay the 25.

[Dawson]

And you thought she was gonna get on your flight?

[Adam Carolla]

And you thought you were gonna get on your flight. And you thought you were gonna get on your flight. I literally paid for a ticket. I'm here 30 minutes. I'm here 30 minutes before my flight, and they're not letting me check. Check in, and you're not getting on your flight.

[Erica Rhodes]

Why does everyone have their phone out?

[Adam Carolla]

You're about to let me check in.

[Dawson]

You were about to let me check in, and you decided that you ain't.

[Adam Carolla]

Gonna let me check in. Make me check you in. You literally work for a company that.

[Dawson]

I bought a plane ticket for.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm here 30 minutes before the flight. No.

[Dawson]

Can you please leave my.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm not in your personal space. This is not your personal space. This is not your personal space. You work for a company. This is not your personal space. You don't have to worry about it. You're literally not doing your job for a customer. Let's pause for a second. Listen, there's a problem I've been yelling about at the airport the entire time.

[Dawson]

Time.

[Adam Carolla]

And it's going on. It's now at epidemic level. You take black people and then you explain to them, we don't like you and we don't want you here, and we just beat you over the head with the systemic racism message that is constantly peddled by every fucking race hustler on the left. Even Joe Biden never stopped with the black, the brown, the color. They're not. Every time he asked about Kamala Harris, like, we weren't ready for a black woman. So they have a race hustle, and they poison these fucking people into thinking white folk are like, the enemy. And especially black women. We tell black women, you're two strikes, you're a woman, you're black, we don't want you. We don't want you here. And then we put you in these positions where you have to interface with the people who you think don't like you or don't want you here or if I was in charge, you guys wouldn't be here. And then we're asking you to be courteous or accommodating or professional, and it ain't gonna fucking happen. And it gets worse every fucking year. And the more we talk these people into thinking that we are only doing this because of the color of their skin or they're not welcome or they're not wanted or systemic this or whatever that, then this shit's gonna happen. Just more and more and more. I've always experienced it because LAX is kind of the home of the black female tsa. And they're always rude, they're always shitty, and they're always curt, and they just fucking suck. But I realize I represent rich, white, heterosexual dude, and if I was, I'm the oppressor. Like, if you're gonna talk them into this guy's holding you back, well, then why be friendly at all?

[Erica Rhodes]

I've had it. But I mean, not to be like, everybody. I feel like everyone at airports now is just rude. Like, they're all rude.

[Adam Carolla]

Not this level.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Great at weighing in people.

[Adam Carolla]

She would be great at weighing people in that schedule.

[Craig Rothfeld]

You thought you was gonna get off like.

[Erica Rhodes]

Well, they did esc. I mean, they kept escalating it, like, with taking out their phones and everything.

[Craig Rothfeld]

It's like the story says that the agents mentioned a $25 fee to check in with them in person, and then he balked at the fee and then started recording with that dork voice. I mean, I would give him attitude also with that.

[Adam Carolla]

He was really like, you're on the side of the guy.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I mean, like, no, they're the girls. I'm like, look, I think this guy had an attitude with them initially, and then it escalated and escalated. Really? They messed up and lost their job because of it.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, they lost their job.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Ego thing. Yeah.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, my God.

[Adam Carolla]

They lost. Yeah, they lost their job.

[Craig Rothfeld]

And a third party. They're in a third party party of Frontier Airlines. I don't know. They. They somehow hire people.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, Frontier is also the worst. One of the worst.

[Adam Carolla]

Is it?

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah. Frontier spirit and.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. All right, good. They're gone. But I'm just saying, you can't feed people steady diet if everyone hates them and then expect them to go out and be courteous.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I rip ladies up every time. They just get me right through. Oh, £51. No problem. Problem. Like, you know, I don't know what you're.

[Erica Rhodes]

They like you.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I don't look like the.

[Adam Carolla]

We'll forget about.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I used to have white.

[Adam Carolla]

Go to the next story. Let's go. There we go. We'll get through this. I'm 50.

[Craig Rothfeld]

New York City, as erected at the Times Square. 12 foot tall black woman in casual clothing. Oh, my goodness.

[Erica Rhodes]

Who's she?

[Adam Carolla]

She's nobody. She's just all heavy set black women.

[Erica Rhodes]

She's just a new. Got a no statue.

[Adam Carolla]

Yep.

[Erica Rhodes]

Weird.

[Craig Rothfeld]

That's the T1000. He like, just blew himself up.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

She's just put upon.

[Adam Carolla]

She's just a put upon woman of color who's trying to get by in a white society.

[Erica Rhodes]

But she's a woman. I can't even tell if she's a woman, really. She might not be. I don't want to assume they.

[Adam Carolla]

First off, we ain't in the business of building statues to men anymore. Maybe George Floyd Maybe George Floyd. But generally, most. I would say 100% of this. Here's what I would say. Between the founding of this country and 2022, I would say 98% of statues were of men. I would say from 2022, moving forward, it's gonna be a. It's gonna flip the script. I think it's gonna be female statues.

[Erica Rhodes]

Cause also, usually they're of somebody. Why is it just a ransom?

[Adam Carolla]

Because all black women are. Are victims. All black women are heroes. Are put upon, Are unwanted, or they work for spirit. Arrow.

[Erica Rhodes]

She's meant to be all she represents. All black women.

[Adam Carolla]

This is a way to keep poisoning the head of black women who then have to interface with us at the airport.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

That's a statue of a woman who was just cut in front of. In an ice cream store.

[Adam Carolla]

That's right. By white. By the couple from the pharmaceutical commercial.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Sweden.

[Adam Carolla]

The Swedish couple just bump this bitch in line because they thought they needed to get their froyo faster.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Ice cream. Brad Williams should pay more for ice cream.

[Adam Carolla]

He should pay more for ice cream. You're right. A single is a double. We pay more for a double. That's right. That's a good point. Yeah. More for ice cream. I'm writing that down.

[Erica Rhodes]

We're all getting canceled from this episode.

[Adam Carolla]

This episode.

[Erica Rhodes]

This episode's the end of my career.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I love you, black women.

[Adam Carolla]

He should pay more for cotton candy, too. I mean, that thing's as big as his head, you know? That's a lot of cotton candy. Sorry. All right. So this is just a statue of, like, Queen Latifah, stepsister who's got her hands on her hips. And she's tired of putting up with the white man's shit is basically what it is.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

She's about to ask you a question.

[Adam Carolla]

She's gonna ask you a question.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, my gosh.

[Adam Carolla]

So this is. It's called something you can. And it's gotta be in your article somewhere.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I just got this. Yeah. On the way in. And it's called.

[Erica Rhodes]

He said it's in there.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Yeah. Yeah, man.

[Erica Rhodes]

He's trying to.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Grounded in the stars.

[Adam Carolla]

Grounded in the stars. That's what it is.

[Erica Rhodes]

Grounded in the stars.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Grounded in the stars.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, boy.

[Adam Carolla]

She's grounded, but she's also in the stars. So here's the thing, too. When everyone's a hero, then no one's a hero. Yeah, I kept saying that all the time. Just get back to famous. People, people. It's good because it's impervious to being torn down because it wasn't a white general from the Civil War or anything like that. So smart in terms of longevity, you know, But I just wish it was just more retarded message.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I mean, are the Ghostbusters going to be able to fight her or.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, she is going to be reanimated when they come around.

[Erica Rhodes]

I wish she just looked at least like someone recognizable, you know, like, I just wish she look cool, like, like, oh, I know who she is. Even if it's not that person. It's like she doesn't look recognizable.

[Adam Carolla]

She got a little 90s Queen Latifah.

[Erica Rhodes]

That's true. Yeah, yeah.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I've seen her at the laundry.

[Jason Mayhem Miller]

Specifically. The artist didn't want no one.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Erica Rhodes]

Right now we can't worship anybody. We have to worship just the girl.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Yeah, but she's got Lululemon on. Oh no, dude, mean.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, stay puff marshmallow man. I'm gonna describe things cuz people are listening. Yeah, yeah. Stay puff marshmallow.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I'm a mean person.

[Adam Carolla]

We're getting back to the. To the Ghostbusters reference. All right, but don't put that up there. Thanks.

[Erica Rhodes]

Don't put that up.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, it doesn't work. Cause we just go, ah, yeah, my bad. But we don't know what we're. No one knows what we're talking about.

[Erica Rhodes]

They can't see it. Okay.

[Adam Carolla]

I have found in the medium of radio and or podcasting thing, people constantly, you know, their number one thing is what they'll go. They'll go, you know what? Tell you what's ruining kids today. They hold up their phone and they go, this.

[Erica Rhodes]

And no one gives.

[Adam Carolla]

No one knows what the you're talking about. You have to say a phone. You have to say the phone. You know, and they also do a lot of like guy walks by the window, hey, bro. But just into a microphone, you know, they don't stuff pops up. They just go, whoa, whoa, whoa. But they never say anything because there's something about the human brain that can't wrap its mind around the audio part. I'm talking about professors and scholars and authors. They hold their phone up, they go, see here, this, this is the problem. You understand the phone. Yes. Yeah. Say the phone.

[Erica Rhodes]

Say what?

[Adam Carolla]

And they always do. They know what they do all the time too. They always. This guy going down, walk down the streets. Kid on a zipper scooter, misses me by this much. This much. I go, just say six inches. Say six inches. Cause it's bad. I don't know. But nobody knows Nobody knows it. No one can do it.

[Erica Rhodes]

Wow.

[Adam Carolla]

I do not blame mayhem. They can't do it.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I've noted, bud. I'm back. Locked in for next time.

[Erica Rhodes]

I thought you show your viewers what you're.

[Adam Carolla]

It'll be on the Internet. Yeah, it'll be on there, but for those who are hiking right now.

[Erica Rhodes]

Got it. Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

That's what I'm saying. It's good. But listen, even the great Dr. Drew could never. He could never do it. Every time someone handed him a coffee mug, he'd be like. I'd be talking. I'd be talking on Loveline, and I'd be going, here's the problem with these kids. They're all full of themselves. And someone hand him coffee. Thank you. And I go, drew, just don't say thank you or say thank you for the coffee that I'm now being handed, but don't say thank you in the middle of the me talking. It sounds weird.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah, no, that makes sense.

[Adam Carolla]

That was pure radio.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah. I grew up doing radio, so I think I have the instinct that. You do. Yeah. That, you know.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, you're in Prairie Home Companion.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah. So. And he had a sound of, you know, Garrison Keiller. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Weirdest. I. You know, there's me, too. Ers. There's the MeToo movement. Right?

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And then there's, like, the Canceled movement.

[Erica Rhodes]

Right, right.

[Adam Carolla]

And then there's. There's the top of the food chain, you know, your Harvey Weinsteins and stuff like that. And I. And Cosby. And I go, okay, I got a pretty good idea what those guys were up to.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And then there's guys like Garrison Keiller. And I'm like, I don't know what it is. They said he did. He put his arm around a girl, that there's a guy who used to run Pixar. The guy ran Pixar. And it's like. Like what he do. And it's like, well, he liked trains and he ran Pixar, and he, like. At the Christmas party, he would be flirty with some of the. And I'm like, I Doesn't sound like that much to me. What are we talking? He had a few drinks at the Christmas party you fired him from.

[Erica Rhodes]

Big Party. Got swept up in, like, John Lasseter.

[Adam Carolla]

Sorry.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah. Like, I think with Garrison, he just got swept up and, like, some disgruntled employees just kind of found a way to, like, get to him, you know? So.

[Adam Carolla]

But what was. Then there was Charlie Rose.

[Erica Rhodes]

His was bigger, wasn't it? Well, I don't know what it was.

[Adam Carolla]

He would evidently answer the door, like his apartment or hotel nude or something. There was some.

[Erica Rhodes]

But was he getting room service or was he.

[Craig Rothfeld]

That's the problem here.

[Erica Rhodes]

Was there a woman there?

[Adam Carolla]

That's what I'm saying. What I'm saying is like the Garrison Keillor and Charlie Rose and John Lasseter, like, did you guys do something? You commit a crime or you just got drunk at a Christmas party or you took a picture with your arm around somebody. Did you make a joke? John Lasser, who was responsible for like $10 billion worth of Pixar movies.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, my gosh.

[Adam Carolla]

Was the head of Pixar kissing, making comments about physical attributes, like, I don't know. That's a nice dress, Marcia. It looks good on you. You know what I mean?

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, my God. He got canceled for that again. Fireman.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, the whole problem is everyone had their panties in such a bunch. They were like, I just don't want to do it. Whatever he said, get rid of him. Get rid of him.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Garrison Keillor is like the Prairie Home Companion, like the least eligible for this.

[Craig Rothfeld]

I'm not familiar with that material.

[Adam Carolla]

Engaged in dozens of sexually inappropriate incidents.

[Erica Rhodes]

But it's too vague.

[Adam Carolla]

But what is the incidents? Like squeezing someone when you're taking a picture or something? I don't. All right.

[Erica Rhodes]

No, I mean, I know more about it, but it was more. It was more about disgruntled employees trying to.

[Adam Carolla]

They didn't like him.

[Erica Rhodes]

Well, yeah, somebody got fired and then it turned into something, you know, they were seeking revenge from being fired.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, you think that's, you know, that's.

[Erica Rhodes]

What it was because you were there. He's. He's my uncle. He's married to my aunt, so he's in my family. And so I know, I know a lot more about everything about the story, but he was already retired and there was an employee that he worked with that was. That he gave a lot of work to and she wrote for the show and then somebody else got fired and kind of recruited her to get upset.

[Adam Carolla]

Anyway.

[Erica Rhodes]

I'm saying too much. But yeah, it wasn't really. It wasn't really fair. The dynamics of personhood.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I, well, you people are hurting your own cause by cooking up bullshit stories. It makes me dubious every time a story comes up now I'm like, did something really happen? Are you liars just bullshitting more, which hurts your cause?

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah, it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, it's like almost every race related, you know, noose hanging on a dorm room. It's. It's all fucking. And it's all made up now. Like, it's all hoaxes now.

[Erica Rhodes]

Hurting your cause when people are already like, Garrison was already retired.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Erica Rhodes]

So how. Like, what's the point of canceling someone who's already retired?

[Adam Carolla]

Like, I didn't know he. He'd already retired.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah, he had retired, but then they changed the name and, like, kind of took over the show. And then he had trouble, and then he, like, lost. He kind of lost the rights at first. At first to his Prairie Home Companion, but now he got it somehow. I don't know. He hasn't really told me everything that went down. But then he still has trouble publishing books a little bit.

[Adam Carolla]

Sure. Because you get kind of the stink of the. Me too. People are like, I don't think we should rework it.

[Erica Rhodes]

But he's still. Right. I mean, he's still working.

[Adam Carolla]

I played his theater in Fitzgerald. Yeah.

[Erica Rhodes]

In Minnesota.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Dawson]

That's cool.

[Erica Rhodes]

I'm doing his show in June at Tanglewood.

[Adam Carolla]

He's doing like a. I don't know where Tanglewood is.

[Erica Rhodes]

It's in the Berkshires. It's like the big outdoor venue.

[Adam Carolla]

But that's something with him. Or something with. Connected with.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah, he's doing his show again. He's doing, like. He's been doing 50th anniversaries for, like, a whole year.

[Adam Carolla]

Garrison's back?

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah, he's been back. Yeah. He just doesn't really do. He doesn't do the radio show, but he does live shows.

[Adam Carolla]

But, yeah, Charlie Rose included lewd phone calls.

[Erica Rhodes]

That's. Yeah, that's.

[Craig Rothfeld]

That's his heart.

[Erica Rhodes]

He's lonely.

[Adam Carolla]

He's lonely. Groping females. But we still don't. We know. I know. That's wide open now. And walking naked around his apartment, which he often used for business.

[Erica Rhodes]

Well, that's a little.

[Adam Carolla]

But wait, hold on.

[Erica Rhodes]

That's a little bit vague.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Like, he sounds like a swinging guy.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, walking around nude in his apartment, which he all often use for business, doesn't mean you're nude during the business meeting. It means you are nude in your apartment because you live in your fucking apartment. And then you have a. You could have a meeting there later. And also, I mean, everyone who.

[Erica Rhodes]

I'm sure his apartment's huge. So what if he's naked in one room and he has an intern in a different room.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Comes up to get a slice of pizza.

[Erica Rhodes]

That's. That's fine.

[Adam Carolla]

He was nude in the place to have the businesses. Oh, I do business here. And twice a Day, I'll go into that little bathroom and whip my cock out. Yeah, but while people are doing business, I pull my cock out while people are doing business. It's crazy, right? Man, I've said too much, sometimes even three times if I drink too much coffee.

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, my God. But I feel very unsafe right now.

[Adam Carolla]

Do you feel threatened now? Christ. All right, let's do what else we got.

[Craig Rothfeld]

One more. Let's go. Critics say Trump's baby bonus proposal won't address the real problems. Democrats questioned whether the proposals, including a one time $5,000 payment for having a baby, would have a substantial impact on financial challenges of parenthood.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, listen, here's all you need to know about life. And when you walk around the streets of Los Angeles, it's a mess and it's a shit show, and there's garbage everywhere. So let's just break this down. There is trash, garbage, old furniture and everything everywhere because it's a shit show. Every thing, every used thing, whether it's a cup or a condom, is just old. Like old recliner, chair, bookshelves, whatever, it's all on the ground. You will never find an aluminum can.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Nope.

[Adam Carolla]

Really? Every Coke, every Pepsi, every Coors Light, every Miller Lite, every energy drink, every fucking fortified, whatever bullshit drink the hobo's sucking down, whatever 5% alcohol, every single thing that people drink outside, especially street people or anybody, you'll never see one can on the ground. When's the last time you saw a Coke can just sitting on the street? When you see broken glass, you see old mattresses, you see busted up stucco and drywall, you see everything. Everything but an aluminum can. And everything that comes in. Aluminum can is everything. And there's nothing.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Yeah.

[Erica Rhodes]

Why is there no Somebody picks, he comes by for heroin.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Yeah. Yeah, they'll get heroin.

[Adam Carolla]

I'll give you three answers. Let's go three.

[Erica Rhodes]

I thought maybe you could make a bong out of it or something.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, you could. You could. You could make a heroin bong out of a aluminum can.

[Erica Rhodes]

I never lived on the street.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay, I know, but you've never seen a can on the street. So. What?

[Dawson]

Why?

[Adam Carolla]

Why? Why?

[Erica Rhodes]

Because there were something when you trade them in.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, there were. They have.

[Erica Rhodes]

That was my first guess. And then I said it could be heron.

[Adam Carolla]

Bong. Show me heroin bong, bro.

[Erica Rhodes]

I was picturing a heroin spoon.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, like. Yeah, you're cooking.

[Erica Rhodes]

I think the spoon's made out of aluminum. All right?

[Adam Carolla]

Garrison hanging around, cooking up speed. All right? They have. It has value, right? So it gets Collected.

[Erica Rhodes]

Okay.

[Adam Carolla]

They may fall on the ground, but they don't stay on the ground long. Somebody's shopping cart right up.

[Erica Rhodes]

Right, right.

[Adam Carolla]

So if you incentivize people, they move in that direction. Yes, that's what I'm saying. So you want to get people to have kids. Give them something. You know, give anyone anything. Now you incentivize people the other direction as well. You go, hey, welfare queen. You get paid extra every time you have a kid, but if you get married and get a job, then you don't give, okay, guess who's shitting out kids and getting paid? You incentivize the wrong direction. You can incentivize the right direction, but either way, we're animals, we'll respond to it.

[Erica Rhodes]

But I don't know if $5,000 is enough.

[Adam Carolla]

Not for you.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah, but maybe someone who's picking up aluminum cans.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, that person with a cart full of cans and the five grand.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yeah, they're unstoppable.

[Adam Carolla]

They're an unstoppable. It's perpetual motion machine of having random sex with hobos and collecting their cans that they dropped on the ground.

[Erica Rhodes]

They could be a real entrepreneur that way.

[Adam Carolla]

I agree. All right, let's see. Craig Rothveld is going to join me in a matter of moments. He's an expert on. Well, he has a legal background, he has a financial background, but also as a consultant for people who may be going to prison, maybe coming out of prison. Like, what do you do if you're some white collar guy and you may be going in for a while?

[Erica Rhodes]

Oh, wow.

[Adam Carolla]

You should talk to somebody to kind of tune you up.

[Erica Rhodes]

Yikes.

[Adam Carolla]

Which is.

[Erica Rhodes]

That's gotta be an interesting job.

[Adam Carolla]

It's an interesting job. We will talk to him. I will give you plugs at the end of the show, my dear Erica.

[Erica Rhodes]

Okay, thank you.

[Adam Carolla]

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Can talk to Craig Rothbelt, Criminal Justice Advisor, Founder and Principal of Inside Outside Ltd Prison Consulting and Criminal Justice Advocacy. Easy for me to say. So it's an interesting story. It's a story that I'm aware of because I have a friend named Nick Santora who is a very pretty famous writer, writes Reacher and Prison Break and all those kinds of shows. And he read an article about somebody who prepares people who go to prison in like the LA Times a long time ago and thought, well, that'd be a good idea for a movie. And then a movie came out that sort of had that theme. And we'll get all into that. But Craig, tell us how you got into this, like the background expertise and your time in prison as well.

[Dawson]

Absolutely. Thanks for having me on. Really, really appreciate it.

[Adam Carolla]

Sure.

[Dawson]

I think the, I mean, I could start the arc in a couple of different spots. I think maybe it just builds sequentially. It makes sense. I'm 54. I graduated the State University of New York at Albany in 1993 and I went into public accounting. And then I got my MBA and I spent my career up until 2012 in financial services and public accounting. It was all I did, it was all I knew. And the significant part of that is really the 2002-2012 time frame. And during those 10 years I built and I ran and I lost a Financial services company with my former partner. And I, you know, in Jeff will say we lost it as much as because of stupidity as anything else. But we made some really bad decisions. I made some bad decisions after the financial crisis. I'm happy to get into them with you if you want. They're, they're public and we ultimately shut the business down at the end of 2012. And I thought that was it. I took a bar from finra, if your listeners don't know what that is, the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority. And I got on with my life. And 2-6-2014, the Manhattan District Attorney banged on my door at 6:30 in the morning. Morning. I was in the shower getting ready to go to a meeting and that was 26 months later. The feds passed on my case for reasons only my criminal defense attorney knows and just told me they did. But really this story, I guess in this part of the journey starts there. It starts 11 years ago from being indicted on February 6, 2014. And I spent, spent 22 months I say defending myself. I mean I wasn't going to trial, Adam. I had no chance at trial. I was guilty and I knew it. And so I just wanted to get the best plea offer I could, which I did. And I was, I ultimately agreed to a plea of one and a half to four and a half years. I went to prison December 15, 2017. I got out June of 2000. December 2000, I got out June, June 8th of 2017. And I had like this 40 months serious research and development and PhD in corrections. My plan was to write a book.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm sorry, the dates got popped around a little. You were in how long total?

[Dawson]

I was in 18 months. I went in December 5th. Yeah. December 15th, 2015. I apologize guys. And I walked out June 8th, 2017.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay, and what was the crime?

[Dawson]

Crime was falsifying FINRA financial statements. So took very aggressive accounting treatments on regulatory capital. It was tax fraud charged I've openly discussed. We ran personal expenses through the business, did not pick them up up as income appropriately to save money. And you know, we were ultimately convicted of that.

[Adam Carolla]

Did your partner do time?

[Dawson]

Yes, he did. We actually did time together. Ironically we went to, we were sentenced the same day. We went to Rikers island together. He left after 10 days. I was trapped there for five and a half weeks because the judges law clerk did not sign a specific line on my sentencing and commitment papers. I'll never know if it was intentional or not. And then we, so we were kind of five weeks behind each other, but we Kept catching each other at every facility that we went to. So we did nine months together, and then we, we, he went to one type of work release program, I went to another type of work release program, and then we reunited for the last seven weeks.

[Adam Carolla]

Is Rikers as bad as everyone says it is?

[Dawson]

Yes. Worse? Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

And you were there for five weeks, did you say?

[Dawson]

Five and a half weeks. So in New York State sentencing law, they're supposed to take you into custody within 10 business days. And it didn't happen. Because what happens is whether it's federal or state or any type of prison, you have something called sentencing and commitment papers. And the judge has to sign them, and the law clerks have to sign them, and then they go, they get sent in. Well, my commitment papers didn't have all the proper signatures, so it was like we had to start all over. My lawyers had to go back to court, they had to get the proper paperwork, send it up, and it caused me to be there for an extra four weeks, basically.

[Adam Carolla]

That sounds miserable, but ultimately, for the service you provide now, maybe it was helpful.

[Dawson]

Oh, absolutely, yeah. I mean, it was not fun by any stretch of the imagination. I'm happy to, you know, let you lead the way on what you want me to share or not share, but, yes. I mean, a big part of what I do is predicated on the fact that I spent time inside. I mean, I decided to go get more degrees when I got out as a personal choice. But yeah, certainly it's not to say people can't, I guess, do prison consulting without having spent time in prison. But being inside certainly brings a very unique and different perspectives of the situation.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I would argue it's kind of like being a football coach. You can be a good football coach and not have played in the NFL or at a high level, but it's probably better if you've been on the field, you know, and you've been to the show.

[Dawson]

I agree with you. That's a, yeah, that's a great analogy. I mean, I think you, you, I mean, not only just having practically seen it, you've experienced it. You've experienced the traumatic, difficult situations. You're able to explain to people what is coming. A big part of what I do is just reduce anxiety, right? Everyone's gonna have anxiety no matter what. But yeah, I, I, I, I use this term. It's like a Byzantine black hole. I just try to provide a little more clarity to individuals and the families about how it plays out and what can happen at various points so that when they're sitting there for nine hours waiting. If I've told them that's normal, it'll reduce their anxiety as they're sitting there waiting. If I'm able to tell families, look, you're not going to hear from that person for 48 hours, then they're not just sitting there thinking something's wrong for the first 48 hours. I mean, those are simple examples. But yes, I think having gone in certainly gives me a unique perspective for both my clients that are inside and their families.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I agree. I mean I would sort of liken it to. It may not be as good analogy as my football one, but I just got done going through a messy divorce and it was horrible. And you need a lawyer, but you almost need a divorce liaison. Like somebody who can go in between, explain stuff, do stuff. It's not enough just to go, I got a lawyer. You know what I mean? That lawyer's got a lot of other clients and so on and so forth. You almost need a liaison somewhere in between like a lawyer and you. I said you need like a divorce secretary. Like you need somebody gathering the stuff, making the schedule, like doing the nuts and the bolts. You know, everyone thinks, oh, I got a lawyer. Lawyers are busy, they're distracted, they're working on 10 cases at once. You know.

[Dawson]

It'S a fair way of looking at it. You will not be surprised, I don't think think that the two greatest sources of business referrals for me are attorneys and clients in prison. And the attorneys bring me into the case at, as I was saying various points to give you before someone goes in, when they're in. But I was with a lawyer today and a new client that became a new client today. And the lawyer said to him as we were talking, he said, look, my role ends when you go in, right? That estate sentencing, you get sentenced and you go to prison in a federal case, it depends. You can be remanded right away. You could self surrender, but the lawyer is at that point they're done. And then you have somebody to help fill that gap before. And then once they're in.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. The thing I think that bothers me is taxpayer and someone who's never really been involved with the legal system is how sort of indiscriminate it can be in terms of. I hate the idea that the feds come to your house at 6:30 in the morning. I don't like when they did it to you. I don't like when they did it to Roger Stone. I don't like when they did it to Lori, what's her name, from just the 10 of us. You know what I mean? Just talk to your lawyer, have you come in and surrender. You're not at flight risk. I don't get all the pomp and circumstance, the taxpayer money. Someone's gonna get shot, by the way. Or someone's dog's gonna get shot. I just, I don't. Lori Loughlin is who I'm trying to think of. It's like they literally went to her. Yeah, I know her name hit me. But no one needed to go to her house in Bel Air and kick open the front door at 6 in the morning. Just tell her lawyer when and she'll come downtown and surrender. I don't like the pomp and circumstance part.

[Dawson]

And they do it for one reason. I mean, they do it for two reasons. You can talk about the PR of it. For the government, the biggest reason they do it is to scare the living. You know, whatever. I mean, that's why they do it. That's is to, from the get go, put you on your heels.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Dawson]

You know, from, you know, we're going to show you we're the government. We have an unlimited arsenal of tools and money. You know this. The government can play as dirty as anybody. It's just a reality. But that's what they do. They want you instantly on your heels in that sort of frame of mind. It's for no other reason. And the humiliation fact. Right. That, you know, depending certainly for people of higher profile, that's what they're going after.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I know. I don't like that part of it. But with that being said, I don't know what you think about people like Martha Stewart and her situation, which I know something about. And I was like, on one hand, I don't want. And maybe Martha Stewart's not the greatest choice. Maybe we'll just say the Duke lacrosse team and Mike Nifeung. It's like, I don't want you rounding up the poor black guy and locking him up and throwing away the key. And I don't want you making examples of rich white guys so you can try to get reelected. I'd like it just sort of down the middle, you know.

[Dawson]

You're 100% correct. So I mean, I wrote my. When I got my master's in criminal justice and I did that after I got out now I wrote my thesis on alter. They're called ATI's alternatives to incarceration and Mental Health. And the reality is that like someone like Martha Stewart's A great example. Okay. Did she do something wrong? Yes, she did. Should she gone out of jail? No, absolutely not. It was the biggest waste of taxpayer money. It did not deter anyone from doing anything. You know, there was, you know, the retribution was just to her. That's a situation where society is much better served with a. You want to find the person, you want them to, you know, pay a big fine which serves a purpose. Right. Like say in New York, they have a Safe Horizons fund, and it helps people who are homeless and it helps women who are victims of. Of abuse. That makes sense. And then let Martha go out and do, I don't know, a thousand hours of community service and explain to people what not to do. Her going to jail didn't stop one person in this country from committing a crime. And you're right, I could say that about a lot of. A lot of other people. The biggest problem you have with the criminal justice system in this country, Adam, and you alluded to it in the way you said it, is you're not innocent until proven guilty. You're guilty until you prove your innocence. That's the way this is set up.

[Adam Carolla]

No, I agree. I think about little things all the time. Like, I used to complain a lot that if back in the day, but if they caught you with more than 6 ounces of marijuana, it was intent to distribute. I'm like, how do you know if I'm distributing or not? Maybe I just like a lot of weed in my condo. Maybe I do the same at Costco. I'm not selling garbanza beans just cause I buy seven cans at a time. Maybe I like it. You need to catch me selling it. You don't get to just go intend to distribute. And on a weird level, I felt the same way when I got a chicken shit jaywalking ticket in Burbank a million years ago. I'm like, this a chicken shit ticket. I was in the walkway, I was in the crosswalk. I don't deserve this ticket. And when I went in to fight the ticket, they were like, pay the full amount of the fine first, then we'll set a court date, and then if you win, we'll give you your money back. I'm like, well, that's not how it should work. We should go to court. You should figure out whether I'm guilty or not. And then you could get paid or not. I don't pay you and then get the money back. And that's exactly what you're saying. Paying first. And then we'll get. Maybe we'll give you the money back if you're found innocent. That, that is guilt until proven innocent.

[Dawson]

Yeah. And the other thing too is they, you know, they, they overcharge. So, you know, they, you know something, they can create a, they could create a 60 count indictment on a person that has basically four underlying issues.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Dawson]

But they'll just replicate each one of the issues 15 different ways. Because if you go to trial and you go 59 for 60, guess what? You, we all know what happens. You lose. And, and then you get punished for something called the trial penalty, which is, is unconstitutional, but happens every day in every courtroom in America.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, it also gets used against you. Like every time I hear somebody who hates Trump, they're like, he was guilty on 24 different felon counts or whatever. It's like each one was a payment to a porn star that he had a hush deal with. Already. It's 24, which is 24 payments of $2,600. You know what I mean? It's not 24 counts of, you know, I'm sure the ladies from the View know it, but all I'm saying is they like, then they, once it's written, they throw it in your face, right? And it sounds pretty, you know, 24 convictions of 24 separate counts of, you know, it's like, oh, dear Lord, we got a, got John Dillinger on our hands here. We got a Mon Pa Kettle on here. So timely references, I guess. You. So I think when people hear about you, maybe they think, oh, he's gonna tell him how to make a shank out of a spork or something like that. But it's really none of that, right? It's like, what are the top sort of five things you would consult on or people would, if you were to describe, like the main thing you do.

[Dawson]

There's the, there's, I'll put it this way, there's the medical sleeve, right. And we can talk about, you know, you know, specific examples. There's the mental health sleeve, okay. There's the safety sleeve where I'm worried about their safety the minute they get in for, you know, certain type of offenders. Okay, so you've got medical, you got mental health, you have safety, right? Safety. Also, if people are assaulted inside, you have the, what I'll call administrative sleeve, which can fall into programming. People get tickets, they get framed. They didn't get into a program, they got denied a program, they want to appeal it. They have to appear in front of a parole board in the state system. They are in federal Prisons in Florida, they were convicted in federal. In the Southern District of New York. And then they want to live in Florida. You have to, like, flip jurisdictions. That's a broad administrative right. And then there's the civil rights sleeve, right? It's the people that basically have legitimately had their civil rights violated. And so, you know, there's probably some others. But invariably something hits every client and one of those five sleeves. So I can have clients that I get hired before I go in. They're on four different psychiatric medications, right? Each state has their own formulary. The Bureau of Prisons has their own formulary. Just a simple example. If you're on four medications and three of them aren't on the formulary, you need to go to your psychiatrist before you go to prison and have a conversation about which one maybe you can transfer to. That is on the formula. That's a simple thing. They're in and they're not getting their medications. Right. That sort of issue. People have CPAP machines or BIPAP machines. Right.

[Adam Carolla]

I never thought about. It's these things you just never think about, would never think about ever.

[Dawson]

Correct.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. It's a piece of medical equipment. You need it, and you may get it or you may not get it. I don't know.

[Dawson]

I have, you know, a lot. A lot of, you know, I say it all the time. In a lot of cases, one story is worse than the next. I mean, they're heartbreaking. These are heartbreaking stories. You know, I have. I have a client who, you know, made the wrong decision. They drank and drive and drove down the wrong way. And it was, you know, what they call vehicular manslaughter. Case was a car accident. Someone died. Awful, horrible, tragic. And this individual became a paraplegic as a result of it and has prosthetics. You can appreciate, right? This person is alive. He's got to go to prison. The amount of issues that I've had to deal with to help him keep his prosthetics. Then the officers broke it. Then we have to get him out for appointments. Then they have to get refitted. If they're not refitted in a certain amount of time, the legs swell. Like. I've learned a lot of things about. A lot of things I never thought I would learn a lot of things about, you know, that maybe you want to consider that a more extreme advantage, but, you know, almost anything you can think of, I've seen it in prison, and it's had to have been dealt with in prison and in that regard. And then Adam, you have simple things. I mean, I've had clients that, I've had Jewish clients, had weapons planted on them, straight up. Anti Semitic attacks, straight up. And they get thrown in solitary and, you know, I'm the only one who can talk to them at that point. Right. At that point they have no communication with anybody else. And we have to go through an entire administrative process that could take months to get them out sometimes and then many more months to get it thrown out and prove that they're innocent. You know, people's civil rights are violated all the time in prison. And it's not right in my mind. It's not right, you know, weapons planted.

[Adam Carolla]

On them by a guard, I assume.

[Dawson]

Yes, yes.

[Adam Carolla]

Now, I know Luigi Mangione and Weinstein are clients as well, and I know you can't talk about that as well, but for just people listening, you can kind of picture many of the sort of baked in things that would go along with that. Any thoughts on like P. Diddy, what he's in for? I've said many times I think he should have fled. I told Mark Garagos, who's a friend, he should have fled. Mark has a fiduciary duty to say he disagrees with me, but I don't know, maybe he does now. But his daughter Tenny's also a good friend, is working on the case. I hear a lot of different versions of it, but I don't know if you know anything or just have any thoughts on. On it.

[Dawson]

All fair questions. I know tanning. I know Mark, Mark, Mark Igno, who is lead counsel, happened to have been my criminal defense attorney. So I know Mark, I'm ok. I know Mark Garago some very close with all of them that they're, you know, they brought me in on the, on the, on the Luigi case. In cases like Luigi and Harvey. I mean, there are some things I don't mind sharing with you in a sense of what it is like with that. But look, in the, in the Puffy case, in the Sean Combs case, right, One of the first things people talk about is, you know, you have, you know, state, state cases and state juries and federal cases and federal juries, right? They are night and day, okay? And this has nothing to do with Puffy or guilt or innocence, okay? The way, you know, in, in state juries, there's much more of a, you know, the voir dire process. Defense attorneys have a lot more objections. They have much more say in the constitution and the construct of, of a jury and what's Interesting. If you think of the two most famous cases, certainly in our lifetime, you and I have to be around the same age. O.J. and the Menendez brothers. Right. O.J. state case. Menendez brothers, state case. Right. So, O.J. acquittal. Menendez was. Was hung, and then they retried him. This is a federal case, and federal juries and state juries are never to be confused. And, and, you know, obviously, this is my life. I'm a junkie, and I read it. And when you read about some of these jurors that were allowed to stay on the jury pool. Right. I don't know if they eventually made it. It's frightening if you're someone like Puffy, if you're a criminal defense, it's frightening because one of them was a juror who basically admitted that their boss inappropriately touched them and then kissed them.

[Adam Carolla]

And.

[Dawson]

But what can be impartial on the jury? Right? I mean, I'm looking at your face, in your eyes. Okay, Right, right. That was one. I'm trying to remember the other one. And you're just in a state. That person's never on a jury in a state case unless they lie through their teeth. Right. I mean, you have stealth jurors. And so you're just like, I, you know, I'm like. It's almost. It's almost like it's set up that it's impossible to win these federal cases because of the way the jury selection works. It's just very. It's very, very different. And I mean, look, we've all seen the video. I mean, it's a bad video, right? I mean, nobody's even defending it. It's a bad video. It's a bad look, and all the jurors are going to see it. And so, you know, I mean, I think part what happens in a lot of these cases is, you know, sometimes the. It's the volume of things that often create the issue. Like with, you know, most people tell you in the Weinstein trial, the first time around, you know, people had differing opinions about what he may or may not have done to those. Those. Those complainants. But when the judge sentenced them, the judge just said that, you know, went out right on sentencing you to a lifetime of this because all these other people complained. And even though you weren't charged with them and stuff like that, that. That makes it difficult for defendants in these sorts of cases. You know, it's not like they're overcoming one falsified financial statement or, you know, you know, one bad party on one Bad night.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Dawson]

That's what makes it very challenging on top of the fact that jury selection is very different. And look, if he gets convicted, then he is going, you know, I'm sure he'll appeal. Right? And, but if he gets convicted, then he will leave the MDC in Brooklyn and, and he will work his way through the federal prison system no different than anybody else.

[Adam Carolla]

Do you think he will be convicted?

[Dawson]

You're, you know, everyone. I am not hedging when I say this. I don't have a problem having opinion. I am never right. Okay. I'm never right about these things. What I always say to people is, it always take. It only takes one to hang a jury.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, you're right.

[Dawson]

What I do.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. Well, I was going to say I talk to guys who do nothing but sit around and study sports and analytics all day, and then they pick the wrong team for the super bowl. And you'd think they knew something. It's impossible is what we're saying.

[Dawson]

Yeah, it's impossible. You know, when I met. But, but I'm going to answer your question more fully. When I first met with all the criminal defense attorneys, I had to hire a. Right. The great, one of the great lines that they all use, like, listen, we're not bookies. Like, we're not laying odds here. You know, we're not bookies. Like, I'm not telling you, you know, handicapping how many years you might get, you might not get. Can you win a trial? Can you not? And it's the same thing in trials. And every great criminal defense attorney will tell you that they've had two or three trials, they were certain they were going to win and they were going to lose. And they had two or three trials, they were certain they were going to lose and they won. Acquittals are very, very few and far between. Right. They just are. Statistically speaking, that's very, very, very rare. What I do believe is that just based on what I believe is human nature and studying people and studying humanity and spending a lot of times with people in the criminal justice system is that you never really know what someone thinks deep down inside. Right. I mean, someone could literally lie through their teeth about the answers to a lot of questions for jury selection with the sole motive of going up there, Right. And acquitting somebody. I mean, that's, that's, that's the reality. And I think that that's the thing, you know, you have in the puppy. I mean, I don't know about you. I've the O.J. trial, to me, is one of the most fascinating things. I can't. I've watched every documentary. I watch them over and over and over. Adam.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Dawson]

And what I say, you know, this was the greatest example ever of kind of jury nullification and the government giving a jury enough reasonable doubt that they could go make. They could go do something to make up for 25 years of social causes and issues. Right, right.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Well, look, they've interviewed some of the jurorsioni conversation. Yes.

[Dawson]

That conversation the public's having about, you know, the Luigi case. Right. I mean, how many people do you have conversations with? Right. And I can't say anything. They're just like, I hate the insurance companies. You know, don't do that. You better not put me on the jury. I mean, those are the sorts of things that make these sorts of cases unique.

[Adam Carolla]

No, I think it's a very interesting point, which is it wasn't really OJ that was on trial. It was sort of new America versus old America, and it was almost reparations. It was like, look, you didn't own any slaves. You lived in North Hollywood. But what about your forefathers? What about them? And then how. And this person wasn't a slave, but what about for what their forefathers went through? And now we're having a conversation. It's not just who owned a slave, who was a slave. And with Mangione, it's kind of we're getting into the same water here, which is, well, yeah, the guy had a gun, and the guy shot a guy and the guy killed a guy. But what about all the deaths caused by folks like this who, you know, didn't accept claims for people, which is where you'd want to take it. And it went there immediately. And America, I was pretty surprised, jumped on board real fast. I talked to a lot of people that sort of surprised me and went, yeah, well. But I had a situation with insurance company, with my uncle. He was a veteran, and they denied. And four months later, he was dead. And I was like, oh, we're having this conversation now. It's no longer about one individual and another individual. It's about a system and a history and a business model. And if you're defending him, I think that's where you want to take the conversation. I would say.

[Dawson]

Yeah. I mean, listen, I wish I could comment. I can't. But what you're saying is exactly what a lot of the public discourse is. And I think in the case of O.J. you know, if you extrapolate it into Other types of cases, right. They bungled it so bad that these people could say, you know what? After 25 or 30 years of outright torture, beating, racism and everything, we're gonna let this one murderer walk and we're gonna stick it to you. And that's the reality of what happened. Right? And it happens.

[Adam Carolla]

I know you can't get in any details or even vague details about, like, Weinstein, but I. And I think most of America are sort of confused. Like, he was tried in New York, then he came to la, was tried in la, then he was in prison. I'm in the same kind of boat as I was with Cosby. I'm like, he's in prison. No, he's out of prison. No, he was in. Where is he being tried? Is there. What's. What jeopardy is there left? Is there any more jeopardy for. For Cosby, or is he just out? I know I'm hopping around here, but I'm gonna answer.

[Dawson]

I'm gonna answer Cosby, and I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna explain Weinstein very easily for your viewers, and then I'll. I'll discuss. I'll talk about some things that I can. In my. You know, my. My relationship with. With Harvey is unique and different and. And I've been on the record about certain things. Cosby's case was thrown out by the highest court in the state of Pennsylvania, and he's not being retried, and he's done. That's it. So if Bill Cosby is ever going to face criminal prosecution again, it's going to be for something that nobody ever knows about. You know what I mean? Something stupid he did in the last few years. Right? He's done. He still has civil litigation, but the criminal litigation, the criminal is out. And ultimately, that reversal came down to something very simple. The government made a promise, and they went back on their promise.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Dawson]

And that's it.

[Craig Rothfeld]

Right?

[Dawson]

I mean, it was that simple.

[Adam Carolla]

Right?

[Dawson]

Here's where we are. In the Weinstein case, he was tried in New York in the MeToo trial, okay? He had five charges. He was acquitted on three of the five charges. He was convicted on two of the five. Okay? The. One of the charges, he got a sentence of one and a third to four years. It was the maximum sentence he could get. And he's already served more than four years. So that charge is actually being recharged. I don't want to say it's irrelevant, because there's a big difference between being acquitted versus convicted rapist. But if he is Reconvicted on that one charge. Right. He can't do any more prison time.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Dawson]

He was convicted on a second charge in the initial trial. And he could have gotten between five and 25 years.

[Adam Carolla]

Years.

[Dawson]

And the judge gave him 20 years. Okay. What happened was I'll give the factual and the public commentary. His attorneys appealed the conviction to the appellate court. Okay. It's the State of New York Appellate Court. And the appellate court affirmed the conviction. They said, you know what, this was a legal trial. Judge did not make any missteps. Mr. Weinstein still convicted. They then next option was to go to the New York State Court of Appeals. In New York State, the Court of Appeals is the highest court, not the Supreme Court. And only one and a half percent of all cases that get presented to the New York State Court of Appeals are accepted for arguments. It's very rare. Something called taking leave. Very rare. Weinstein's case, they took leave on and his attorneys went up to the Court of Appeals. I was there that day. I was in attendance when Arthur Idalla did the oral arguments. And the New York State Court of Appeals on a vote of 4 to 3, said that was an illegal trial. The judge broke rules, judge broke laws. It was a. Mr. Weinstein did not get a fair trial based on the way the law should work. And we are reversing the decision and we are sending it back to the Manhattan District Attorney. So at that point, the Manhattan District attorney had, and this was last April, had a choice, retry him or say forget it. Now what had happened while all of that was happening, that entire appellate process, he went to California and got convicted. Right. He went to California. Four people complained out there. He was acquitted on one, hung jury on two, got convicted on the last one. Right. That Judge gave him 16 years and said, I'm not going to let it run at the same time concurrent. You can do the 16 years in California when you're done with New York.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Dawson]

So where things stand right now is he's convicted in California, albeit I don't say illegal because it's a bad connotation. His conviction in California, his sentence of 16 years was predicated on being convicted in New York. Well, he's no longer convicted in New York or he's right. And even if he gets reconvicted from a timing sequence, so he's going to get re sentenced in California no matter what. Even if he doesn't win his appeal, he's being tried in New York now. And one of, I guess, you know, a couple of Things will happen. He'll be convicted again in New York, he'll be acquitted in New York, or it'll be hung juries or a combination, depending on what does or doesn't happen in New York will mean New York's done for good or not done for good. If he's acquitted in New York for argument's sake, or he's acquitted and there's hung juries and New York says, you know what? Enough. We're done with him, then he just needs to deal with California. And he has an appeal pending in California now, and the arguments will be heard on that probably in the fall and decision probably by the end of the year. So everybody asked me, you think Harvey's ever going to be free? You think he's going to be free because he's free? Look, he asked us when. Or whatever winning means in New York, and then he's going to win his appeal in California.

[Adam Carolla]

Where is he currently incarcerated? Sorry.

[Dawson]

No. So he actually right now is in the Bellevue Prison Hospital ward. He has been on Rikers island. And I was very instrumental, along with his attorney, Imran Ansari, in getting a judge to issue a restraining order against him being housed at Rikers. So we actually have been successful. And he's been at Bellevue since the beginning of the trial, but the majority of the time he's been at Rikers island, which is kind of ironic, right? He's no longer convicted in New York. They reverse it. They throw it out, and he's in the worst jail in the world because there's nowhere else to keep him in custody because he's a convicted felon in California. So I don't know if that was simple or clear, but I tried to do it as easy as I could.

[Adam Carolla]

You were very succinct. And I now feel like an expert on Weinstein. The question just popped in my head. But, like, ballpark, what are his legal fees gonna be when the dust settles on this whole thing? I mean, obviously you're not crunching number, but I mean, just kind of ballpark for the laypeople.

[Dawson]

A lot, A lot. I mean, look, I have. I mean, I think people can figure out, you know, he had a lot of attorneys before New York. He's done. You know, think about it. Is all the legal fees for prep, right? You then have your trial, two trial attorneys in New York once, then you have an appeal in New York, then you have a court of appeals in New York.

[Adam Carolla]

But, I mean, are we talking to.

[Dawson]

A trial in New York?

[Adam Carolla]

Like, over 5 million bucks?

[Dawson]

Oh, yes.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh yeah. Over 10. You think.

[Dawson]

It'S a lot. I'll stop with the over 5 million. I mean, you know, I'm pretty confident you could probably, you know, be like, okay, you know, New York criminal defense attorneys and LA criminal defense attorneys charge this. And he needed 10 of them. So we can come up with it's a lot billable hours.

[Adam Carolla]

The Mark Garrigos always tells me about the billable hours. Craig, where should I send people if they want to check out what you're doing or interested in some of your ideas?

[Dawson]

I appreciate they go to www.insideoutsideltd.com.

[Adam Carolla]

I find this pretty fascinating. Maybe you should check back with us periodically as things happen and some of these various high profile cases because you seem to articulate yourself very well and you seem very steeped in it as well because it's obviously a passion of yours. So maybe we'll, you know, when something happens in this trial or that trial, be like a little correspondent for us. Check in with us, tell us.

[Dawson]

I'd welcome the opportunity. I'm happy, I'm happy to, I'm happy to do it it. I'll, I, I, I, I, I'm going to close or I was going to say something to you that I thought was good. Someone once asked me, how do you describe your business in five words or less? Right. That we've all heard that thing, whatever, I mean, I don't, I think that's even a little shorter than an elevator pitch. But I think the thing that I can leave you with and I can leave my, you know, the listeners with and what I say to people all the time is that, and I got it down to six words, which is that I mitigate, I reduce anxiety and I solve problems. That's ultimately what I'm doing for people. That's my, you know, and whether it's all three or one or a combination, whatever I do day in and day out is about mitigating, reducing anxiety and more than anything else, problem solving.

[Adam Carolla]

Thanks, Craig. I'll tell Tenny and Mark you said hi. And even Jake who's not in the system but, but he does cook as well. Good to see you.

[Dawson]

Craig Rothel, thank you so much for having me.

[Adam Carolla]

Appreciate it. All right, I'm gonna be in Bellflower doing stand up, stand up comedy. And that'll be May 24th, two shows. Then Tacoma, May 30th and 31st and then June 1st, Spokane. Just go to amcroll.com for all the live shows. Erica Rhodes, comedy, I think dot com. I think it's always that. Or sometimes we leave that on ericarodesomedy.com that's where you go. Until next time. Adam Kroll for Erica Rhodes and Craig Rothfeld and Mayhem saying mahalo.

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