Patrick Dempsey + Tucker Carlson (Carolla Classics)

Summary

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Adam Carolla Show: Patrick Dempsey + Tucker Carlson (Carolla Classics)

Original Air Date: March 1, 2026

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Episode Overview

This Carolla Classics episode, hosted by Superfan Giovanni, features two standout conversations from the Adam Carolla Show archives: a 2019 roundtable on nuclear energy and risk assessment, and an in-depth, personal interview with actor/racer Patrick Dempsey. The episode spotlights Adam’s signature irreverence, humor, and willingness to probe both technical and deeply personal subject matter. Though clips of Tucker Carlson are mentioned, the core of this Classic is the Dempsey interview and a lively panel on energy policy and social psychology.

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Key Segments & Discussions

1. The Politics and Perception of Nuclear Energy

[01:46–22:05]

Main Topic

Brian Bishop, Gina Grad, and Adam riff on the public’s fear of nuclear power, risk perception, and political dysfunction around energy policy—riffing off a recent Neil deGrasse Tyson appearance and a Michael Shellenberger TED Talk.

Critical Insights & Discussion

• The "Nuclear" Branding Problem:
  • Society conflates nuclear power with nuclear weapons, ingraining fear. Adam:

    “It's unfortunate we share the same nuclear—the word nuclear with nuclear weapons...it gets ingrained in your head. Nuclear weapons are bad. Well, nuclear power was bad.” (03:45)

• Risk Tolerance & Irrationality:
  • Neil deGrasse Tyson:

    “We've been tolerant of the health and life disasters that mining coal has brought upon civilization...You get intermittent nuclear accidents with a death toll far less, and then people react and want to ban all nuclear. If we understood risk more rationally, we'd be making very different decisions...” (05:08)

  • Adam:

    “Automobiles are the ultimate example. That's the leading cause of death. And we all decided it's worth it.” (06:46)

• False Perfection of Alternatives:
  • Adam, Gina, and Brian note that solar panels and batteries have their own environmental issues—there’s no “free lunch.”
• Political Dysfunction:
  • Brian:

    “Because everything has been politicized every direction, we can no longer trust politicians to make informed decisions. If you are for the Green New Deal...you must be against nuclear, when the reality is you should embrace it for those same reasons.” (08:34)

  • Adam:

    “The people who want to be in politics are quite often the worst people to be in politics.” (10:50)

  • On pragmatic policy:

    "Why don't we just get a little group together and go, hey, school vouchers work or don't they? If they do, let's give it a shot. And this nuke work or is the wall not going to work? Good? No wall, like something else.” (09:43)

• TED Talk Clip:
  • Shellenberger's TED Talk comparison—France (nuclear, cheap clean power) vs. Germany (more expensive, less clean with solar/wind).
    • France gets 75% of electricity from nuclear, pays half the price of Germany.
    • “Even wind energy is more deadly than nuclear.”

Memorable Moments / Quotes

• Adam’s deadpan:

  • “I came into this neutral. But I've been convinced by your mom's argument.” (16:19)

• Gina:

  • “They did it for the avocado.” (16:56)

[See also: 12:05–15:14 & 20:37–22:05]

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2. Eat Your Feelings: Radish Au Gratin and Food Innovation

[28:53–35:34]

Summary

Gina Grad shares a breakthrough: using radishes as a potato substitute in a cheesy gratin dish.

• Details on texture, bitterness elimination, recipe layering, and unexpected kitchen hacks (soaking radishes).
• Adam and Brian rave about the texture and flavor: “You’re biting it and going, what is this? ... You don’t think radish.”

Notable Tips

• Roasting and soaking radishes cuts bitterness.
• Try radish au gratin for a low-carb comfort meal.

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3. Patrick Dempsey Interview: Racing, Cinema, and Life Choices

[37:00–63:30]

Topics

• Hurley Doc: Dempsey’s five-year journey to produce “Hurley,” the story of gay racing legend Hurley Haywood.
  • On Haywood’s closeted career:

    “He was gay the whole time, but couldn't come out... Able to compartmentalize that...and everybody was good. Sort of, people knew about it, but no one really talked about it.” (37:46)

• Racing Philosophy:
  • Dempsey on the demands and realities of endurance racing—Le Mans, Daytona, team ownership.
  • Transition from racing driver to team owner.
  • The camaraderie, strategic complexity, and pressure of racing at world-class events.
• Career Arcs:
  • Adam and Brian reflect on Dempsey’s journey from young actor to “McDreamy,” racing champion, and now filmmaker.
• Mutual Reminiscence:
  • The Home Depot trip: Adam and Patrick trade tools and life skills stories, underlining the value of practical basics.
• Cost Insights:
  • Dempsey: “To take a competitive team to Le Mans? About $2 million.” (58:49)
  • Factory LMP racing? “20 million a year easy.” (59:18)
• On Dan Gurney: Both Dempsey and Adam pay tribute to the legendary racing innovator.

Notable Quotes

• On personal transformation:
  • Dempsey:

    “It all changed when you helped me pick my first toolbox.” (42:03)

• On gay athletes in macho sports:
  • Dempsey:

    “It was a fascinating journey for him to be able to compartmentalize that...and then he shows up at the track and he’s able to perform.” (37:46)

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4. The News & Classic Carolla Hijinks

[92:17–176:11]

News Highlights (with Gina Grad)

• New Zealand Gun Ban: Discussion about gun culture post-Christchurch massacre, government action, public attitudes toward regulation, and a lengthy detour about interpreters’ size on TV.
  • Adam:

    “Shouldn’t be allowed to have assault weapons on islands.” (92:58)

• Robert Kraft Legal Drama: The crew debates fairness and double standards in criminal justice for the wealthy and the famous.
• Amy Schumer on Autism: Conversation about embracing neurodiversity, comedians turning advocates, and societal shifts in diagnoses.
• Peloton vs. Songwriters: Mark McGrath stands up for intellectual property amid Peloton’s copyright lawsuit.
• Random Carolla Rants: Sausage ordering mishaps, podcast nostalgia, and ruminations on the meaning of birthdays, anniversaries, and how to manage staff.

Memorable and Characteristic Banter

• Adam’s riff:

  • "Paying for everything counts for nothing." (114:00)

• Adam, on authenticity:

  • “When I tell you I want something, I mean it. When I tell you I don’t want something, I also mean it.” (132:41)

• Recurrent sustenance:
  • Hot kielbasa talk and Adam’s unique approach to lunch (126:56–136:39)

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5. In-Depth: Tucker Carlson—The Person Behind the Persona

[178:15–227:47]

The Conversation

Adam and Tucker embark on a rare, humanizing exploration of family history, philosophy, and the experience of parental abandonment.

Key Themes:

• Politics as a Bad Life Filter:
  • Tucker:

    “Looking at the world through an exclusively political lens is a bad idea. It’s a dead end.” (180:44)

• Personal Backstory:
  • Grew up in Studio City, LA; mother abandoned the family for France at age 6; raised by a strong, loving father.
  • On his absent mother:

    “She was a drug and alcohol person is the truth of it...She was married to David Hockney’s boyfriend for quite some time. A little strange.” (191:17)

  • Never saw or spoke to her again.
• Psychological Survival & Resilience:

  • “If you just pretend to be a normal person long enough, if you pretend that you’ve conquered your problems...it becomes true.” (199:35)

  • Both Adam and Tucker reflect on the meritocratic mindset that results from growing up “unbabied.”
• Empathy and Social Critique:
  • Both draw a link from their experiences to perceptions about merit, grievance, and empathy for narcissism in modern society.
  • Tucker:

    “Narcissists...thinking about yourself makes you unhappy. Liberation...is the key act of saving yourself.” (226:25)

Memorable Tucker Quotes

• “All I care about is what people do and about the merit of it. They're my friends because they're great, loyal, true people.” (204:42)

• “You have to just go with what's real. If it's raining outside and you sit and huff and puff about how it's actually sunny—no, it’s raining.” (225:04)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

On Political Decision-Making

• “Do we want these lunatics making these plans?...Just get the group at the border, the group at the school, the group at the whatever. Not the nut jobs that have an agenda. Why would they be right about anything?”
  — Adam, [09:43]

On Nuclear Risk vs. Coal

• “We’ve been tolerant of the health and life disasters that mining coal has brought upon civilization…We accept that and you get intermittent nuclear accidents with a death toll far less…and then people react and want to ban all nuclear.”
  — Neil deGrasse Tyson (via Brian Bishop), [05:08]

On Practical Tools for Life

• “I have kind of a base kit of what every guy should have or gal if you're needing to take care of your place.”
  — Adam, [42:43]

Personal Resilience

• “If you just pretend to be a normal person long enough... it becomes true. I actually am healthier than I used to be because I pretended to be.”
  — Tucker Carlson, [199:35]

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Listener Utility: Why This Episode Stands Out

This marathon episode offers a time-capsule view of the Carolla Show’s unique blend of wit, big-picture societal rants, celebrity intimacy, and raw, unscripted group therapy. It’s Adam at his most discursive, veering between technical specifics, personal vulnerability, and relentless punchlines. Standout segments for new listeners:

• The rare, open exploration of Tucker Carlson’s origin story—far afield from the news pundit persona.
• Patrick Dempsey’s thoughtful, detailed reflections on not only racing, but adaptation and professional reinvention.
• The nuclear energy chat—a masterclass in how to talk about controversial tech policy with humor, facts, and skepticism.

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Timestamps for Fast Reference

• Nuclear Energy & Risk Perception: [01:46–22:05]
• "Eat Your Feelings" Food Segment: [28:53–35:34]
• Patrick Dempsey Interview: [37:00–63:30]
• News Segment & Classic Carolla Panel: [92:17–176:11]
• Tucker Carlson In-Depth Interview: [178:15–227:47]

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The Tone: Classic Carolla

• Roast-like Insults: Playful meanness, especially in “Banks Bracket Madness” and Chris Bohm references.
• Nerdy Deep Dives: Especially on risk, statistics, and anything with an engine.
• Personal Transparency: Real discussions of childhood trauma, therapy, and the meaning of family.
• Biting Social Commentary: Unapologetically irreverent, with room for nuance.

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For the First-Time Listener

Whether you’re in it for the pop science, for McDreamy, or for a rare glimpse beyond the news-desk of Tucker Carlson, this episode delivers. It’s a microcosm of Carolla’s capacity to be all fun and games—until the gloves come off, and it’s about life, legacy, and why paying for everything counts for nothing.

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Host: Adam Carolla
Notable Guests: Patrick Dempsey, Tucker Carlson
Panel: Gina Grad, Brian Bishop, Dawson

Skip the ads, settle in for the segments, and enjoy a classic Carolla ride from nitpicking kielbasa to racing’s toughest hours and the tangled business of growing up.

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Transcript

[Adam Carolla]

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[Adam Carolla]

Welcome to Cruel Classics. I'm your host superfan Giovanni. This is the podcast we play the best moments, highlights and fans select the clips from all 17 years of the Adam Corolla Show. We have a separate podcast feed titled Cruel Classics. If you'd like to gain access to the ad free archives, make sure to check out Podcast one plus. If you'd like to gain access to the ad free archives of the Adam Corolla show, The Adam and Dr. Drew show, as well as access to the new podcast Beat it out, make sure to check out Adam carolla [e-mail] and if you'd like to request a clip, please email us classicsamcarolla.com let's get to the clips coming up. First we have Adam Carollo show 2535, Patrick Dempsey, Neil DeGrasse, Tyson, RJ Bell. Not in this portion. Gina Grad and Brian Bishop from 2019.

[Brian Bishop]

Good day Gina Grad.

[Gina Grad]

Good day to you.

[Brian Bishop]

Handball Brian. Come on guy, you don't need to do that. Yeah, we talked to Neil and it's weird. There was a weird confluence of energy around energy, which is I know things work that way, but I was talking to I was a little surprised and I'll share this with you guys in a second. Excited to see Dempsey in here. It's been a while. Medmen go to medmen.com, lifelock lifelock.com enter Adam BET dsi BET dsi.com and Castrol Edge. So was chatting with Neil Degrasse and he's a very liberal minded guy and I sort of Drew and I before he hopped on the line were sort of discussing Green New Deal and nuclear energy and blah, blah, blah. And Drew is very much for nuclear energy, as am I, because of every time I interview a guy who's super smart, he goes, yeah, that's fine. It works. That's what Europe does. It's a good thing. But then it always seems to be off the table when you discuss it with someone. So I sort of almost a little sheepishly brought it up with Neil DeGrasse Tyson because I thought he was going to go, well, slow your roll. And he was like, yeah, nothing wrong with that. That works good. We're not doing it, but it's good. It works good. And so we have this problem in that we have this solution to a large part of our energy problems that everyone with an advanced degree thinks is a great idea, but everyone else thinks is a bad idea.

[Gina Grad]

Well, it doesn't sound good. And we have bumper stickers to prove it.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, we have no nuke. So, you know, that's scientific proof that it doesn't work. So I'll put the word no in front of an abbreviation for nuclear. And what are you going to do now?

[Adam Carolla]

It's unfortunate that us share the same nuclear, the word nuclear with nuclear weapons because nuclear power is, you know, not exactly the same thing, but it gets ingrained in your head. Nuclear weapons are bad. Well, nuclear power was bad.

[Brian Bishop]

It's right up there with fat and work. People don't like both those things. I don't like either because of the name. That's it.

[Adam Carolla]

No thanks.

[Brian Bishop]

People don't realize fat doesn't make you fat. And work can be fine. It doesn't have to all be hard work or drudgery or anything. Anyway, so I was talking to him about that and then at some point somebody sent me a TED talk about it earlier today. And those commies, although we weren't really talking about it before, and then somebody reached out to you, Gina grad about it as well. Somebody who's in the navy for a million years and that was their business.

[Gina Grad]

He has a lot of thoughts about this.

[Brian Bishop]

So we'll. And again, this all just kind of coming together in real time, I thought so I'll play you the Neil DeGrasse Tyson 60 second clip with me and a very hoarse Dr. Drew scream.

[Adam Carolla]

Nuclear energy.

[Brian Bishop]

We'll see what that sounds like. Sure. Wind, solar, that's on the horizon. But we're not there yet. How about it? Yeah, so interesting. The University of Oxford has a new professorship, new in the last decade or so. A Professorship of the Public Understanding of Risk. That's the name of a Professorship. And when you look at how much, how tolerant we have been of the health and life disasters that mining coal has brought upon civilization in the last 150 years, you know, tens of thousands of deaths, hundreds of thousands of deaths in the process of digging for coal mining coal, the lung deaths, the breathing deaths that have come about from it, we somehow accept that. And you get intermittent nuclear accidents with a death toll far less than that. And then people react and want to ban all nuclear. The point is, if we understood risk more rationally, we'd be making very different decisions in our lives. Yeah, it's sort of, I won't let my kid go to a house with a handgun, but a swimming pool, no problemo. Like, okay, but understand risk. Cause we all want the same thing, which is clean energy or not having a kid die.

[Adam Carolla]

This is a great way to look at the world. I didn't realize it was happening over at Oxford. But like, understanding what the risk involved is and is it worth the risk? You know, I mean, air travel is worth the risk. Rented, the risk is pretty low.

[Brian Bishop]

But it's a perfect example. Not exactly as you used it, but it's a perfect example, which is people are scared to fly with little to no risk. So why. Why are. And of course, the ride to the airport is more dangerous, which everyone feels safe about. So it's a perfect example in that, yes, you should simply run it through, crunch the numbers, and then get on the plane or drive to Arizona.

[Adam Carolla]

I have to say, automobiles are the ultimate example. That's the leading cause of death. And we all decided it's worth it. There is a risk. It's small, but it's worth it because you need to get paid.

[Brian Bishop]

But this is even. There's two sides of it. One is we've assumed the risk in driving and decided it's worth it. The other is people have elevated the risk of flying higher, pardon the pun, than an automobile. So we're gonna choose to drive to Phoenix because we don't want the risk of flying, even though that's super dangerous. Right. So what we need to do is literally look at the numbers and then just move forward. Coal versus nuclear, natural gas or whatever, what do we have? And then people can go, well, but what about solar? And as I was watching this TED Talk that someone sent me today, like, okay, but think about all the heavy metals and everything that are in solar panels, and think about when those things outlive their life, and think about where they're gonna end up. They're gonna end up at Some shore in some African nation, kids, barefoot kids are gonna be picking them apart to get the heavy metals out of them, and they're gonna be polluting the sea. Like, first off, this notion of we make a mistake, one thing is like we look at one thing as completely free, like solar, wind free. It's taking dangerous and it's it. Right. And the reality is, whether it's an electric car, it's still got batteries and it still needs to be charged. And it's not free. It's not. One isn't free and the other's making Indians cry. There's many other possibilities to factor in.

[Gina Grad]

Well, and this is just like your blind puppy tennis ball employer. You know, it's the same thing. We love the idea of wind and we love the idea of the sun. So what's to argue about? Well, there's plenty to still discuss, but

[Brian Bishop]

I think, and I don't know if you guys have thought about this, it's been floated a little, I think, because everything has been politicized every direction, that we can no longer trust politicians to make informed decisions. If you are for the Green New Deal and for ecology and for the ozone and for everything else, you must be against nuclear when the reality is you should embrace it for those same reasons.

[Adam Carolla]

A more nuanced take would be preferable,

[Brian Bishop]

and you may, but you can't come out and say that someone's gonna throw a shoe at you. So now you have to go here and here's not gonna work. And so now we don't get any of the benefits that we're. Or very little, the benefits we're looking for. We have a. The guy's Michael Shellenberger. Is that who I'm thinking of? Max Banner trying to read here. He's on the TED Talk that somebody sent me. He's an energy expert named Hero of the Environment by Time magazine.

[Adam Carolla]

I dress like that.

[Brian Bishop]

Look, when it comes. Look, whether it's. Whether it's the wall or not the wall or surveillance or school vouchers or nuclear, whether it's Donald Trump or Ocasio Cortez. Do we want these lunatics making these plans? Why don't we just get a little group together and go, hey, school vouchers work or don't they? If they do, let's give it a shot. And this nuke work or is the wall not going to work Good? No wall like something else. Just get. Just get the group at the border, the group at the school, the group at the whatever. Not the nut jobs that have A have an agenda. Why would they be right about anything?

[Adam Carolla]

You're gonna like this. Much like your idea for, you know, weeding out the dads, take the kids up to Mount Pinos, the Cub Scouts, pedophiles. Who wants to. Hey everyone.

[Dawson]

Who wants to.

[Adam Carolla]

Who wants to be involved in politics? Who wants to be involved in making decisions? The first hands that go up, you're out. Neil Degrasse Tyson. You're trying to sneak out the back and get back to your planetarium. Get in here.

[Gina Grad]

Startalk doesn't start till later.

[Adam Carolla]

The people who are the self selecting sample. The people who want to be in politics are quite often the worst people to be in politics.

[Brian Bishop]

The worst and almost, almost by trade have no. Your last job was bartender. I mean some of these people are professional politicians have no job. Like they've never started, they've never started a business. There's some politician and I can't think of who it was. Max Apata. And I don't remember what side he was on but he was in politics for a number of years. Semi recently got out of politics and started a business in the private sector. And he said if I knew how difficult I was making it on all these people that were trying to start a business, I would have said no to a lot of this stuff. Like yeah, course you're over here saying no to everything and you have no idea what it's like to be on the other end. Who has to deal with all this stuff anyway? We have a clip from this guy's TED Talk and he's talking about France using nuclear in comparison to Germany. And he'll say a few other things.

[Narrator/Expert]

It's two minutes now you might think, well, dealing with climate change is just going to require that we all pay more for energy. That's what I used to think. But consider the case of France. France actually gets twice as much of its electricity from clean zero emission sources than does Germany. And yet France pays half as much, almost half as much for its electricity. How can that be? Well, you might have already anticipated the answer. France gets most of its electricity from nuclear power, about 75% in total. And nuclear just ends up being a lot more reliable. Generating power 24 hours a day, seven days a week for about 90% of the year. We see this phenomenon show up at a global level. So for example, there's been a natural experiment over the last 40 years. Even more than that in terms of the deployment of nuclear and the deployment of solar, you can see that at a little bit higher cost we got about half as much electricity from solar and wind than we did from nuclear. Well, what does all this mean for going forward? I think one of the most significant findings to date is this one. Had Germany spent $580 billion on nuclear instead of renewables, it would already be getting 100% of its electricity from clean energy sources and all of its transportation energy. Now, I think you might be wondering, and it's quite reasonable to ask, is nuclear power safe? And what do you do with the waste? Well, those are very reasonable questions. Turns out that there's been scientific studies of this going over 40 years. This is just the most recent study that was done by the prestigious British medical journal Lancet finds that nuclear power is the safest. It's easy to understand why. According to the World health organization, about 7 million people die annually from air pollution and nuclear plants don't emit that. As a result. The climate scientist James Hansen looked at it and he calculated that nuclear power has already saved almost 2 million lives to date. Turns out that even wind energy is more deadly than nuclear. This is a photograph taken of two maintenance workers in the Netherlands shortly before one of them fell to his death to avoid the fire and. And the other one was engulfed in flames. Now, what about environmental impact? Well, I think a really easy way to think about it is that uranium fuel, which is what we use to power nuclear plants, is just really energy dense, about the same amount of uranium as this.

[Adam Carolla]

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[Gina Grad]

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[Narrator/Expert]

This Rubik's Cube can power all of the energy that you need in your entire life.

[Brian Bishop]

All right, so, but here's. Now, here's the alternative. Because we have to offer the alternative viewpoint. In 1973, my mom and Martin Sheen and Happy and Sunshine and Axis and Zorback took a hit off a doobie and pronounced no nukes. So there's your counter argument. And that's why we cannot have you understand.

[Gina Grad]

Yeah, I do.

[Brian Bishop]

I've presented both sides of the coin very evenhandedly.

[Gina Grad]

It's very 50 50.

[Adam Carolla]

I came into this neutral. But I've been convinced by your mom's argument.

[Brian Bishop]

Zorback and the doobie. Zorback, the original zigzag man says no nukes. And this guy was. He attended multiple junior colleges before, not just one.

[Gina Grad]

Like a chump.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. Before the hydroponics bust, 1979. So he knows what he's talking about. Okay, so here we are. Yes. I get this guy, Neil DeGrasse Tyson and let him figure it out.

[Gina Grad]

So is there going to be. Or maybe there is now a PR group that is trying to turn around what people think of nuclear. They did it for the avocado.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, my God. I know. Everyone's eating avocado. I got the. I had on. It reminded me, christy, we got a

[Gina Grad]

new opportunity for you.

[Adam Carolla]

Rolls of her sleeves.

[Brian Bishop]

But I don't know, listening to a bunch of dumb people explain they don't feel good about something. Is that really that's enough for policy?

[Gina Grad]

Kind of neither here nor there.

[Brian Bishop]

I agree. It's neither here nor there. I'm not interested that you don't feel good about something or you don't like the sound of that. Like, okay, now then shut up. Or go in the room and shut the door. Drown yourself in a tub. Like, do something where you. We don't. We're not getting what we want or what. No, sorry. We're not getting what we need because you're basically a superstitious gypsy woman from the. From 2000 years ago. Why we listening? Why we listen to you? Just get the smart people. Let them weigh in every. We had the guy Manoj and I'll match everybody, blah, blah.

[Gina Grad]

I can't remember.

[Brian Bishop]

Five Hour Energy Guy was sitting right

[Gina Grad]

here with a bike.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. Three or four years ago. And I was just talking about nuclear. He's like, it's a good idea. Too bad no one will accept it. I was like, all right. Another smart guy who was coming up with alternative energy sources that we're not going to use.

[Adam Carolla]

Drinkable 3 ounce energy sources.

[Brian Bishop]

Yes. I'll play you, Manoj, just because it's funny. It's 90 seconds from a few. This is from 2015. Nuclear. Nuclear. There's a real problem that's emotional with it. You know that. I know. I tell everybody, nobody's gonna allow it in my backyard. No, could you put it in Japan, please? I know, but then they just burn coal. Look, I know that, but every problem, even if it's emotional, is real. Unfortunately, if you can't do it, if they won't allow you, people won't allow you to do it, then you can't do it. That's not an answer. Then you're being incredibly pragmatic about other people's inability to be pragmatic. But that's. It's reality though, right? In other words, if they won't allow it, then it's not a solution yet. To me, I always tell my guys, I said, look, if there's a. If you say, well, everything works, but all you gotta do is eat less and exercise more. Well, nobody's doing it just so I can yell at my friends. We could do it, right? Absolutely. Absolutely. But the real problem is. The problem is you get one of those like happens in Japan, and you're like, no. I mean, I think my thing is how many people die in coal mines every year? I know, but look at it this way. We say that intellectually. But if somebody said, I'm going to put a nuclear right next to your house about a mile away, would you be okay with it? I would, but that's me. Look, I wouldn't want to live to any. I wouldn't want to be next to any facility, be it a. It's not like I wouldn't want to be next to a prison. Not because I thought people were going to break out and steal my clothes on the laundry and then start a new life. Right? And start a new life. I just wouldn't like living next to a prison. Same way I wouldn't like living next to it.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know.

[Brian Bishop]

I wouldn't want to live next to Magic Mountain. I don't think I'd like to live next to a facility of any kind. But Manoj has pledged 99% of his net worth to help the world's less fortunate. 4 billion net worth. All right, put him in with Neil Degrasse and we'll listen to these intellectually honest souls speak about science.

[Gina Grad]

I do have a possible solution, though. When we talk about PR and stuff, all you have to do is rename it Call it something else nuclear. That's the thing of the past. If you just fudge the letters a little bit, put them in different order, you get clear new. You get real, Kun. This is a real viable thing for stupid people to latch onto.

[Brian Bishop]

What would be the danger?

[RJ Bell]

Clear new.

[Brian Bishop]

What if a politician just said, look, I'm not a scientist, I'd like to clean up the atmosphere and the drinking water and stuff. I'm going to consult with some of the world's best. And when they. When they render a decision, that's the direction we'll go. Everyone down with that? Are there any scientists in here who want to disagree? I'm not an expert. You're not an expert. I'm here to implement good ideas. I'm not here to implement my own ideas. I'm here to implement good ideas. And this one has a lot more moving parts because this is a specialized area. This isn't good vibes. This is voltage. So how do we do it? I'm gonna ask the experts. And good news, I'm going to Sweden. I'll go to some of your favorite countries and ask them what they're doing and how it's worked out for them. And then we'll just implement what they say. And you won't get to blame me. I'm just conveying what they said, what the best say. I would. I feel like we could do that with most everything that vexes us. Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

I think you're onto something. I think the problem with, well, one of the many problems with a lot of politicians is we get too wrapped up in the cult of listening to their ideas. What are your ideas on this? What are your ideas on that? How are you going to solve this problem? The best idea is I have no goddamn idea. I'm going to get a bunch of experts, convene a panel, and then we'll go with whatever the best. Like, why is that so hard for a politician to say? I understand the I have no idea part. Maybe it's a little silly, but, like, you know what? I'm going to get some experts. We're going to get together, put a head together and come up with the best solution.

[Brian Bishop]

Maybe we'll do. Maybe we'll do a little pushback or a little twist on Martin Luther King. I have a dream which is, I have no idea.

[Gina Grad]

I have no dreams.

[Brian Bishop]

I went to the mountaintop and I got lost and I started to. I feared and I saw a bird and it was looking at me. And so I came across an elder and I asked him and he had on early onset dementia or something because that guy had crapped himself.

[Adam Carolla]

He came across that elder.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. Yeah. So then I came back down the mountain. You came down the mountain? I was scratching my head the whole time.

[Adam Carolla]

No more educated than when he left.

[Brian Bishop]

I had no idea. Someone handed me a map. I held it upside down. Couldn't read the map. I had no idea the blue lines are rivers. I jumped in my car. I punched what I thought was a Garmin. It was not. It was. Sorry.

[Adam Carolla]

It's outdated technology.

[Brian Bishop]

Outdated technology. I drove in a circle until I ran out of fuel. I got no idea. Eventually, dejected, I went home to the wrong house. Knock on the neighbor's door, tried to bang a stranger. She was wearing a house coat. It wasn't like my wife's, but it was the same color.

[Tucker Carlson]

No ma'.

[Adam Carolla]

Am.

[Brian Bishop]

So I headed back out to walk in a circle on my own lawn. Until eventually I was overtaken by heat prostagland. And I passed out.

[Adam Carolla]

Need hydration.

[Brian Bishop]

Hydration. Saul's prostration. And I woke up the next day and somebody handed me one of those wooden cups with a wooden ball and a string on the end of it. I'd be God damned if I could get that ball into that cup. After 128 times, the lactic acid built up my right arm and I set it down. I walked away. Carpel cramps, carpal tunnel. Then someone handed me the New York Times crossword puzzle. Monday or Friday, I made it into a boat. I fashioned into a boat. I put it down and I waited for water. But none of the neighbors were hosing their driveways.

[Adam Carolla]

Inefficient.

[Brian Bishop]

Inefficient. So eventually I got back in my car and I hid in the circle again. And eventually I came upon a Japanese man counterclockwise and asked him what the answers were. He didn't speak a lick of English, tried to sell me Dodgers tickets. So I kept on walking. And I got to a stream and I couldn't find a way around it.

[Adam Carolla]

It's more a brook.

[Brian Bishop]

So I began to weep. As. At that point, as I was defecating in my shorts and weeping, I realized I had no answers.

[Adam Carolla]

No answers.

[Brian Bishop]

So I reached out and my friend Neil Degrasse Tyson, Mr. Grassi and Manoj, whatever his last name is, invented five hour or four hour or three hour, how would I know? Energy drink.

[Adam Carolla]

Manoj something.

[Brian Bishop]

And I said, you guys. You guys get in that sweat lodge and don't come out until I have an idea. Powerful, hot and when they emerge, they tongue kiss me. And I had an idea.

[Adam Carolla]

Didn't see that coming.

[Brian Bishop]

Took a turn for the homoerotic. And that idea was nuclear power.

[Adam Carolla]

He's been to the mountain.

[Brian Bishop]

I've been to the mountain. I got confused on the mountain.

[Gina Grad]

Kids should have to memorize that in fifth grade.

[Brian Bishop]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

That's how the speech went as far as I recall.

[Brian Bishop]

So, yeah, I think what's going on in the cult of personality is you can't say whether you're a politician or you're Mussolini or Hitler or whoever you are. You can't go, oh, I don't know the way. You gotta go, oh, I know the way.

[Gina Grad]

It's this.

[Brian Bishop]

I have a vision. You follow me. And if you hear anyone say, I don't know the way, that's cause they're evil. It's not because I don't know the way, because that's the new thing. And you going, well, I'll just go check with my group of experts. Leads us to go, well, what do we need you for? Yeah, you're not just checking with the guys?

[Adam Carolla]

Anyone can do that.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, it's sort of like they're not doing it. But yeah, at a certain point, there's a little of that. Just go straight to ebay and buy my car. I won't have to the deal with the used car lot. Like, they're probably kissing themselves in. All right, thank you for the assist there, Brian and Gina Grand.

[Gina Grad]

God damn, that was funny.

[Brian Bishop]

Let's see, Patrick Dempsey coming in, wants to talk to him about your old buddy. My old buddy lived down the street from me. See, I can't remember if we talked to him about our trip to Home Depot, but we'll see how much of that he remembers.

[Adam Carolla]

I'll update. I don't know if you saw my Makita drill. 18 volts. I cheated myself out of six volts.

[Brian Bishop]

I did. It was funny when you. You said 12 volt, and I was like, that's a little low. And then you said, well, what's the average? I was like, 18 is about the average and 24 is like high. You did have the average, buddy. Don't round down perfectly average right down the middle. Let me tell you guys about MedMen 20. 19 is upon us. Finally, the moment when a product that once drove good people to the black market has now been revealed. Is one that's creating a global market. One that's inspiring. Symbol of counterculture. Long last. It is medmen. It's no longer counterculture. It's just Culture. It's the new normal. It's arrived and they have an incredible two minute presentation for you to take a look at. Spike Jones with a Z, everyone. Inspired by the original Spike Jones. So we found out it's got the new normal which leaves behind 80 years of unjust prohibition in favor of a safer, happier place. You can watch a video and experience a new [e-mail] it's an incredible, incredibly crafted video. I think you're going to appreciate it.

[Gina Grad]

Put your phone down. Don't be distracted. Watch it. It's just a few minutes and it's

[Brian Bishop]

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[Gina Grad]

If I remember you saying too rich, Too good.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, I mean, almost.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Almost.

[Brian Bishop]

It was really, really good. And you can gild the lily a little bit here because in and so. Okay, good point. Eat your feelings.

[Adam Carolla]

There were four empty plates here by the end.

[Brian Bishop]

We loved it. But here's. I'm going to bring up this point. In a world where use as much butter, use as much cheese, use as much meat, have as much olive oil, have as much fat. It's a little slippery slopey in that you can make something that is incredibly rich. And I have found like Olga. Sorry, my nose is running. Olga made some sort of kind of a stewie, kind of scoop it on chickeny vegetable sort of NS&G thing the other day and like it was good. But when I created this sort of base of cauliflower. Not cauliflower rice, just a base of baked cauliflower and I ladled it over much like having the pasta with the sauce. Like you gotta be careful sometimes you don't just eat the sauce.

[Gina Grad]

Right.

[Brian Bishop]

So there's some balance it out. And I found everyone does the cauliflower rice but just baked cauliflower and it gets good and parmesan scrumptious. And you ladle whatever over the top of it. It cuts it delectable. So what did you do you have the recipe? Do we have an intro?

[Gina Grad]

We sure do.

[Jimmy Bruska]

She could not stop eating the sugar and the grains. Then our friend Betty helped her lose the weight she gained. Now she's cooking healthy meals at night. And ever since then her clothes aren't as tight.

[Brian Bishop]

It's time

[Jimmy Bruska]

for eat your feelings. Do some healthy eating. Regina's recipes.

[Gina Grad]

So I, I hate radishes. I've hated them my entire life. They're spicy, they're bitter, they're not for me. And I was watching something and People someone said, you know, you could almost sub those out instead of new potatoes in your pot roast. And I thought, huh, really?

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah.

[Gina Grad]

So I'm, I'm starting to think radishes might be the next rice cauliflower. They take on a lot of the flavors that with stuff you put them with, the texture becomes adjacent to potato. Like if you, you know, if you, if you don't try too hard to think about them as interchangeable. And I think there might be something there. So I've been experimenting with radishes. Again, a vegetable I don't care for. And I thought, well, everybody likes something that's been au gratin. Why not the radish?

[Brian Bishop]

I gotta say, in a world where it's a little more about consistency and texture than it is about flavor, that that radish took on the new potato more so than other vegetables that we're trying to get to conform.

[Gina Grad]

I think so. And that's just something that I wanted to kind of play with because other people are more familiar with the radish than I am because again, I'm not a fan. This is from my website, Grainfree Comfort food dot com. And I'm loving taking the pictures and having fun with that. So I thought, what could we do with this? I really don't know. So I decided to do. To make my own mornay sauce, which is a bechamel. When you add cheese, just a cheesy, you know, rich, cheesy sauce. And just sort of do it, you know, you scoop a little down on the first part of the pan, then you layer it with radishes. And then I did a little sauteed onion. And then I thought what would be a sort of a meat that would work? That's not bacon. So I did a thin sliced Canadian bacon just to have some substance to it. Since this is supposed to be a one pot dinner meal. And just kept layering it. I found that I think the reason, well, one of the reasons it was rich is because it's rich. The second reason is for you guys. For you guys, I brought it in a very high pot. So I layered it four times as opposed to the two times I had done before. So that would definitely cause twice the richness, but I think it's working. And I made a radish stew the other day with kale. It was delicious. So I'm excited about not hating this vegetable.

[Adam Carolla]

That you're a radish girl.

[Gina Grad]

Yeah. That I once thought was disgusting.

[Brian Bishop]

The texture is that of the new potato. Smaller side, you know, Cut in a quarter size medallion. But once it drinks in all this flavor, you're biting it and you're going, what is this? You don't think radish because it seems confusing and it has a strong flavor normally, although you've cooked it all out of it. So you just kind of have this thing that you're eating, these little potato medallions. And I would say that is a bit of a breakthrough.

[Gina Grad]

If I can give two tips that I learned a roasting them with a little. Toss it with a little olive oil and salt and pepper. Delicious. Like little radish chips were very good and takes out a lot of the bitterness. Also. I learned this by accident. I was rinsing them and just threw them all in a big bowl to deal with later in a big cold water bowl. And I went to get them and all the water was gone. And I was like, oh, no. So all the radishes had soaked up all the water. And since I've never worked with them before, I thought, oh, hell, what did I do? Turns out soaking up that water makes them a little softer, makes them a little more pillowy and decreases that bitterness by I'd say 90%. So let them soak in a bowl of cold water if you're not a fan of the taste. And try radish au gratin. I think it's, it's gonna change your mind about the radish. Grainfreecomfortfood.com is my new website. Eat your feelings and you can sign up for the newsletter.

[Brian Bishop]

All right, let's see. We got Dempsey coming in. I got something sort of interesting about. He's done a documentary on Hurley called Hurley. It's called about Hurley Haywood. He's a five time 24 Hours of Daytona winner. He's a three time Le Mans winner. He's one of how many times? Three. Three times, fool. That's a lot of winning at those, those unwinnable races. And there he is right now. So we'll bring him in in a second. I was going to make fun of Dr. Drew, but now that always time.

[Adam Carolla]

That's evergreen. That's evergreen.

[Brian Bishop]

We'll do that. I very much enjoyed Hurley the doc. And it's kind of interesting as I'm looking at Patrick now through the glass. I just finished a doc called Uppity on Willie T Ribb. So we both were simultaneously making a doc about Hurley Haywood is gay. So we. And we're both making documentaries about racing, but two guys stories within the racing. One African American, one gay and the sort of struggles as it pertained to that very one side machismo sport and white guy sport. So we're sort of kind of working on the same project simultaneously. Dempsey is here. The great Patrick Dempsey, excited to see my old friend. We'll take a quick break. We'll bring him in studio right after this.

[Dawson]

And now Sonny Carolla reads a tweet from James woods,

[Gina Grad]

hashtag democrats are the party of voter fraud and fantasize and socialism, and they still slap the Republicans like street pimps. Why is the GOP so soft?

[Dawson]

Now back to the Adam carolla show.

[Brian Bishop]

He's 12, Patrick. It's high time he learned how life works.

[Gina Grad]

Yes, a lot of times.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Thank you very much for that little meditation.

[Brian Bishop]

Patrick Dempsey in studio. The documentary Hurley, available on digital and on demand, coming up March 26th, that is this Tuesday. I very much enjoyed this documentary. I knew a little about Hurley Haywood, but I did not know as much as I know now. So congratulations.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Yeah, thank you very much. It's been five years to get this thing done.

[Brian Bishop]

It's an interesting, I mean, there's so many great stories out there, but it's perfect for Patrick because Patrick loves racing. He loves endurance racing. He loves Le Mans. Hurley Haywood, between Daytona and Le Mans, Sebring is a legend. And the story is he was gay the whole time, but he couldn't, couldn't come out. Yeah.

[Patrick Dempsey]

And he had a partner for 20, over 20 years. And, you know, it was a fascinating journey for him to be able to compartmentalize that. And then he shows up at the track and he's, he's able to perform. And then everybody was good. It was sort of, people knew about it, but no one really talked about it. They gave him enough respect for that. And then he wanted to talk about it.

[Brian Bishop]

His partner, I mean, he had a partner. And then he had a racing partner named Peter Gregg, who of course was a womanizing, sort of Jim Rockford meets, meets pimp kind of, kind of guy. And I don't know. And then people thought they were gay for a little while, which wasn't true. And then tragically, Peter Gregg, his driving partner, you have to have an endurance racing, ended up killing himself at some point after an street accident at LeMans. Right?

[Patrick Dempsey]

That's right. He had rolled the car over at Le Mans going to the track and never really fully recovered. Must have been quite a bit of brain damage in there. With what we learn now with what's been happening with the impact with football players, that it threw him off completely. He was never able to drive again, and because of that, really lost his identity and never recovered.

[Brian Bishop]

He was a dominant race car driver who built his world around dominating this sport. They called him Peter Perfect. Like, he just won so much, and then all of a sudden he gets in this accident and he loses it, and he just can't cope with not being that person anymore. And he literally just kills himself. Yeah.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Couldn't handle it.

[Brian Bishop]

It's such a tragic, tragic story, so. And Hurley Haywood's going strong. I don't know how old he is. He doesn't. He looks great.

[Patrick Dempsey]

He's fant. He was out here for the premiere the other night at the Peterson, and he's slowing down a little bit, but he's really open, really positive, and it's been a great experience for him to be able to talk about this, to come out, if you will. And I'm happy that he's doing so well and his partner Steve is doing great, too.

[Brian Bishop]

Do you. I know you're running. Your team runs Daytona and Le Mans. You're running the.

[Patrick Dempsey]

We're doing the wec, so we're doing the World Endurance Championship.

[Brian Bishop]

Right. But you're not driving in it. Is that correct?

[Patrick Dempsey]

Correct. Yes.

[Brian Bishop]

You've done Le Mans four times.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Yes.

[Brian Bishop]

And I think he finished up on the podium, second place in class in 2015, was that.

[Patrick Dempsey]

And then we won last year as a team owner, so finally got that done.

[Brian Bishop]

Right. So is that for you, sort of dream realized with LeMans, with the Le Mans?

[Patrick Dempsey]

Yes, I think so. I think I went as far as I could go with my ability. You know, if I was younger, had less responsibility, I'd probably still be at it and trying. But, you know, you just get to a point where it's like you have to commit completely and focus on it 100%.

[Brian Bishop]

Right.

[Patrick Dempsey]

And with, you know, kids and commitments otherware other places, it's very hard for me to justify that.

[Gina Grad]

It hasn't phased, Adam.

[Patrick Dempsey]

It's, you know, I mean, I'd love to do something. I'm getting back into some sprint races and things like that. For me to do endurance racing. No, I don't.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, it's such.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Especially in the wec, you're traveling around the world and you're gone all the time.

[Brian Bishop]

We used to be almost neighbors. You always had a Rhodesian Ridgeback?

[Patrick Dempsey]

That's right.

[Brian Bishop]

Do you still have a Rhodesian Ridgeback?

[Patrick Dempsey]

No, I have French Bulldogs now. Two French Bulldogs and then a rescue.

[Brian Bishop]

I remember.

[Patrick Dempsey]

But I miss my Ridgeback.

[Brian Bishop]

I always remember Patrick back The thing I like about following your career and. And all the different variations and iterations of the career, including racing, is it's a good time we're living in. Because it wasn't like I knew you when you were 19, I knew you when you were 34, but you still then went on to do Le mans and become Dr. McDreamy. And you know, you got to be everything after that point. Like you had a whole second life. I feel like, like maybe I was the springboard, I was the back you stepped on. No, not inspiration. I'm physically the person you crawled over to spring yourself to the next stratosphere of success.

[Patrick Dempsey]

It all changed when you helped me pick my first toolbox and my life changed for the better at that moment.

[Brian Bishop]

It was a long succession of Patrick borrowing tools from me. And I think you lived down the street. You had a place that needed some help.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Yes.

[Brian Bishop]

And so you did a lot of. You got a cordless drill, you have a four in one screwdriver, you have a Sawzall. And at some point I think I said, let's go shopping.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Brian Bishop]

And we went to the Home Depot in Hollywood. We did. I remember that.

[Patrick Dempsey]

And we got the cart and we're running around the aisles picking out stuff. He's like, you gotta pick that out yourself. I can't help you there.

[Brian Bishop]

That's your choice.

[Adam Carolla]

It's a very Obi Wan moment.

[Patrick Dempsey]

It was, it was a transcendent moment.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, I do. I have kind of a base kit of what every guy should have or gal if you're needing to take care of your place. Like you need this somewhere in your

[Patrick Dempsey]

certain go to things that you need to keep your house operating smoothly.

[Brian Bishop]

So Patrick just pushed the cart up and down the aisle and I've just started throwing stuff, stuff into it. And I'm hoping you still have something.

[Patrick Dempsey]

I do. I actually still have that toolbox, by the way. I still have it. I treasure it. It's got stickers all over it.

[Brian Bishop]

Now you were at that time, we're talking about 1998 or something like that. You were working, but you weren't on a. You weren't on a regular on a series. I don't think you're doing like some movies. You're kind of, I don't know, at a lull.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Yeah, I was just a working actor. I was getting gigs here and there and going off and do. But nothing that would really pop or do anything.

[Brian Bishop]

And it was a Grey's Anatomy that really, I don't want to say kick started because you had a lot of success early on and then you, you became a sort of actor, just a working actor. And then you became a star again.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Yes. So Grey's, we had shot most of the first season and then we were a mid season replacement. And I remember it came out in January, maybe 2005, something like that. And then the first time I realized that everything had changed. I went to Indy and did the parade lap. And that's when I was like, good God, everybody knows this show right now. And it changed virtually over and over after 15 years in the business and

[Brian Bishop]

so taking a team to Le Mans. Tell me about that process. First off, just physically staying up for 24 hours, it seems fine if you're on drugs, but it's kind of a tough fight. Like in general, the race starts at four in the afternoon.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Well, the whole week, I think you have to remember, it's like, it's, it's at the same level as Indy. Indy used to be when we were growing up, it was like the whole month of June.

[Adam Carolla]

Right?

[Brian Bishop]

Right.

[Patrick Dempsey]

So it was this one long event at Le Mans. You come in on the weekend the week before and do scrutineering in the parade and you have an entire week of activities and testing and then you do qualifying and then you have the parade and then you have the race. So by the time the race starts, you've been up for a self. So you're happy to get the race started so you can go back and rest before you get into the car for the first time.

[Brian Bishop]

Did you physically. In between the three drivers y' all take, take shifts. What would you do during your downtime? Presumably you have two shifts worth of rest. You could get in, but I don't know what you, I don't know what, how you could go to sleep in that instance.

[Patrick Dempsey]

It's really hard to go to sleep. You go back and you sort of, you go back to your, you have like a little camper or something that you hang out in and you, you watch the race. You listen to the race and you have the radio in there so you can hear what the engineer is saying to the driver. You know what's happening with the strategy and you try to just calm your mind and conserve your energy if you can. It isn't really that bad until the following day. You've gone through the night, you feel good, the sun comes up and you still have a long way to go. You know, it's a short night. Daytona's a much longer night race in many ways, much tougher.

[Brian Bishop]

In that respect, because it gets dark at what time and light at what time in Daytona.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Daytona is getting dark in the afternoon around 4:35. The race starts that, and then you're racing through the night. And then in Le Mans, it's in June, so you have maybe four or five hours where it's dark. And that's when it all goes down. That's when the race really begins, is at night.

[Brian Bishop]

And it starts. It rains oftentimes there, too. Right. So it's dark and it's raining.

[Patrick Dempsey]

It's dark, it's raining. And, you know, the entire. The pressure, mentally, it's much more demanding than it is physically, because everybody's watching this race. This is the race that if you get into racing and certainly into endurance racing, it's the race you want to win. It's the race you really want to do. Well, at least.

[Brian Bishop]

And as a team owner, how does the rest work on the 24 hours at Le Mans or 24 hours at Daytona? Because now as a driver, you go, okay, you have two shifts. You got four hours or three hours or whatever long. How long was the shift? When you did yours, you would do doubles.

[Patrick Dempsey]

And sometimes the pro drivers, it's broken up into gold, silver and bronze, the gold being the best driver. Like Patrick Long, It's a factory Porsche driver, right. And he would do the triples at night. And then you'd come in, you do a single or double, depending on the minimum drive time that you have to have is six, seven hours. And you get in the car, you do your stint, you usually come in, do a full fuel load, probably don't change the tires. The Michelin tires work really well, so you could triple stint those tires. And then you go back out, you get out of the car, you go, you shower, you eat, go to the physio, you get a massage, and then you just try to calm down. Patrick would always fall asleep, so we always had to wake him up. He was so relaxed. He's done it so many times that it's much easier for him. But for the AM drivers, it's a little bit more challenging to keep yourself, you know, focused.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. Because of the adrenaline. And as a team owner, can you wander off and take a nap?

[Patrick Dempsey]

No, for me, it was really last year, you know, I never left the pit. I would go. I would get something to eat, go to the bathroom, and then I'd come back and I stayed there the entire 24 hours, which was a great experience. Really love that because you're getting in and you're listening to the entire race and you're there in the garage. You're keeping the team focused for the pit stops. Because you can't make a mistake at this level. Even in a 24 hour race, if you make one mistake, that can cost you track position and ultimately a chance at winning the race. Before it was mechanical, a lot of mechanical issues would break you. But not anymore.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, as I understand it from talking to some of the guys who've done it, which is. And I talked to Gurney about Dan Gurney about this and stuff like that, which is, you know, in the past part, a big part of the strategy was saving the car. So it's a 24 hour race. You cannot destroy the equipment in the first three hours. So he would talk about going down the mulsanne straight and his GT40 and going 225 miles an hour. But then he'd have to get on the brakes. But he wouldn't get on the brakes. He would coast and downshift and let the guy in the Ferrari pass him. So he was driving in such a fashion where he was trying to go fast but to a limit. Also thinking about the equipment now, the equipment is so good now and all the oils are synthetic and everything works. Now these guys can drive at nine and a half tenths versus six and a half or seven tenths. So you go, well, that's good. The car doesn't break. But in terms of your concentration, you're now driving like you're in a sprint race for 24 hours.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Yeah, Qualys basically they're running qualifying laps the whole time. They're going as fast as they can. The big challenge is the multiple classes. So there's the prototypes, you know, LMP2, which is slightly slower, sort of has that body style of the prototypes. And then GT, so you have the Pro GTs and then the Pro Am. So there's four cars that you're battling out there, you know, and trying to stay out of each other's way. And you have your own individual races and you have the overall race. But in a GT car, you're constantly watching in your mirrors to make sure you're not getting in anybody's way.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, people don't realize that those guys are going even as fast as you're going. They're going faster and they're racing and they're having a little race within their class. And it's also the hardest chargers of the group. Like you don't get yourself into that group because you're chillax or you're mom's side of the family's Jamaican or you like to play a little spleef and listen some Bob Marley. Like, if you're in the fastest class out there, be prepared for some pretty aggressive driving. Just it's a self selecting group. Right. So it's like that guy who's trying to stay on the same lap as the guy who you just made room for down the Mulsanne straight has a guy behind him and he's going to try to squeeze through that opening.

[Adam Carolla]

Exactly.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Because they're going to use the GT car as a pick and you're going to use the prototype as a pick too. If you've got somebody behind you and you're racing for position, you're going to give that prototype some room to get in the corner and then you're going to shut the door and try to get a little distance out of the corner so you get some space between you and the person chasing you down.

[Brian Bishop]

Right. You got someone on you and you can get someone between the two of you. It helps a lot.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Oh, that's the most fun is when you're working in traffic and you've got so much going on. It's nighttime and you're in fighting for a position, it's like there's nothing else like it. Nothing at all like it.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, there is a downside to it.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Yes.

[Brian Bishop]

I'll tell you the potential downside, Max. Pat, I don't know what this is reminding me of, but I think when I did the Rolex historics about four, five years ago, I was driving Newman's car. Whenever the one I went off the track and got covered in gravel, it's because I was.

[Patrick Dempsey]

That's the Datsun, right?

[Brian Bishop]

That was the Datsun, yes. Nissan, technically. But I was chasing a guy in a 9rsr or 934, whatever, some iteration of a Porsche, and I was like, we just went through the corkscrew. And I was like, I'm staying with this guy. And a guy in a 914six who we were lapping was like, I'm gonna slide in. And I'm like, if this guy gets in between me and this guy is gonna cause some separation. Cause even if the guy slides in between you for six or seven seconds, you'll see the guy in front of you just take off. Like, you just immediately go, oh, I'm pacing it down to the speed of a guy who we're lapping. So he's off that pace and I'm gonna have to stay behind him until we find a little room where I can safely get around him. So you tend to want to try things to get around him. Initially, it's like a supermarket door that's closing. And your guy ran into the Gelsons. And you're like, I gotta get behind him before I get behind the old lady. And the old lady's got the. She's got the scooter cart and she's sliding. You're like, I gotta stay behind this guy. And sometimes the old lady sees you and gives you room. Sometimes she gives me the finger she doesn't see.

[Adam Carolla]

What's my lady doing? A racetrack.

[Brian Bishop]

It's a metaphor. I'll let Max Apata try to find. That saddens me that it was that easy for you to find. All right, hold on a second.

[Adam Carolla]

It's a screensaver.

[Patrick Dempsey]

This is going into one now, right?

[Brian Bishop]

I'm following a guy, and I'm guessing you probably know better than me. An rsr. Looks like a Porsche.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Yeah, that's definitely an rsr.

[Narrator/Expert]

That's rsr.

[Patrick Dempsey]

I don't know what you are.

[Brian Bishop]

And I have decided that I shall pass him. That he was ahead of me quite a bit, and I'd been catching him, and so I was like, all right, I'm going to catch this guy on lap seven or eight, and I'm going to get around him. Sorry.

[Patrick Dempsey]

So you got the red mist right now this is what got you into trouble.

[Brian Bishop]

I'm like, this guy qualified ahead of me, but there was a reason. And I'm faster than he is. And I got a Turbo and he doesn't.

[Tucker Carlson]

Right.

[Brian Bishop]

I'm gonna catch him. Sorry. You can play. Yeah.

[Patrick Dempsey]

A little oversheer coming out of that corner, too.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, you know, professional like you,

[Patrick Dempsey]

but

[Brian Bishop]

you can hear that Turbo. Yeah, great. And he's got a Mustang or something in front of him. Like a Roush Mustang or something. Yeah, you're.

[Patrick Dempsey]

You're catching him really nicely here.

[Brian Bishop]

I. I think I should have gone for it. I should have gone for it, but I got a little more power than he does. So I'm like, all right, I got time. We're going up into turn six, five, maybe five turn, a left hander, and you can see There's a portion 9, 14, 6 at the top of the hill. And now I'm right up on the guy and I'm going into the corkscrew. And I'm like, all right, now's the time where we get around this guy. And he pulled out ahead of me and the 914 swung out. And I was like, all right, I'm going inside.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Oh, he's gonna come back down.

[Brian Bishop]

He came way, way back down.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Yeah, that's easy to get sucked in there, too, because it falls away. So if you get on the outside, where that, where the 914 was, there's no grip.

[Brian Bishop]

Right.

[Patrick Dempsey]

And you're going to lose it.

[Brian Bishop]

And I was thinking, I got a red, white and blue car that's as big as a Winnebago. And it's loud. He's a monster. And he's. He's on lap eight. Like, he's got to know we're coming. He just got passed by the Whistler Mustang. He just got passed by the 934. He's got an OR, the RSR. He's got to know. So we're coming. That's the whole thing. But he took two, but he didn't know there were three.

[Patrick Dempsey]

No, no, he didn't see you.

[Brian Bishop]

He did not see me.

[Patrick Dempsey]

You got lucky there, though.

[Brian Bishop]

I could have made contact with him, but instead it was my fault because.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Yeah, you lost the rear end. So did you let the throttle off?

[Brian Bishop]

I just went. This guy went from the right side of the track to. Oh, my God, he's coming all the way down like he's going to apex this. And I'm trying to sneak through this. And I didn't touch the brakes. I think. I think I just went off the track. I didn't want to lock it up and start getting squirrely on the track, so. But I jinxed myself because before I got in the car, I was like, there's a bunch of dirt down there. Like, vacuum up this dust. Like, wipe it down. I don't like the dust in the car. And then it was like someone took a five gallon bucket just all over at that point, chucked it at me. And then I ended up staring at the crowd. The crowd just comes over the bank and they look at you. Hey, Xiao Za Loveliness. How's it going, man? Show. There's a lot of. A lot of dirt. My car. And then a bunch of people just taking pictures of me. This is the worst feeling in the world right here. And you're strapped in and you can't move the car. And you're just standing there like an ass wipe. And everyone's looking at you taking pictures. What are you gonna do? You have to do it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yep.

[Patrick Dempsey]

At least you're racing. You're going for it.

[Brian Bishop]

I was going for it.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Go big or go home.

[Adam Carolla]

That was an A for effort. From Patrick.

[Brian Bishop]

Thank you for your pity. Let me tell you about TrueCar. 60 seconds. That's how long this commercial is going to last. You know what else you can do in a minute? You can get an offer on your car. Just go to TrueCar, use your smartphone or your computer, enter your license plate number and watch your car's details come popping up. Answer a few questions, you'll get an accurate trucash offer from a local TrueCar certified dealer. Then you bring your car in. They'll check it out with you, look at it together, ask questions, get answers, no surprises. And when you're ready to leave, you can leave with a new car, you can leave with a used car, you can trade in your car, you can walk out with a check. Any way you want to do it. You go with TrueCar. So when you're ready to experience a better way to sell or trade in your car, check out TrueCar today. That is true car today. Hey, Patrick, what's it cost to take a competitive team to le Mans for one race? Yeah, just for the 24 hours of

[Patrick Dempsey]

Le Mans, about $2 million.

[Gina Grad]

Oh, my God.

[Brian Bishop]

Two million.

[Patrick Dempsey]

That's with testing and getting. But that's getting everybody over for the one race.

[Brian Bishop]

Two million bucks or one late season

[Adam Carolla]

of Grey's Anatomy and season 12.

[Brian Bishop]

I was very happy to have the

[Patrick Dempsey]

show going to support my racing hat.

[Brian Bishop]

Is that in gt And LMP is what?

[Patrick Dempsey]

Lmp, Forget about it. That's factory only. Unless you have so much money, you.

[Brian Bishop]

What do you reckon the factory. What do you reckon Audi pays?

[Patrick Dempsey]

Oh, when they were doing it, they were spending, oh, probably 20 million a year to run a program, easy.

[Brian Bishop]

And when you get there, how do you qualify to get there?

[Patrick Dempsey]

You either get an invitation or you've raced the entire season of the wec. That guarantees that you're going to go to Le Mans or you do well. There was Sebring last weekend. If you do well there, you'll get an invitation if you get in the top three. Usually if you win it, it's given and then just politicking. You just have to get in there and sort of work that aspect. Or you have a team. If you want to work with a team that has an invitation, then you can pay as a driver, as an am driver.

[Brian Bishop]

You can pay for the amateur driver.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Yeah, you can pay, you know, close to a million dollars and get in that car. 250,000, something like that.

[Brian Bishop]

Hurley is the doc. It is transcends racing. You don't have to be a gearhead. It's a sort of human triumph story.

[Patrick Dempsey]

And

[Brian Bishop]

it's also. It has. I mean, like all racing docs, there's tragedy in it, but it's got all the elements and it's really good. And. Congratulations. Are you going to make more of these? Yeah.

[Patrick Dempsey]

You know, you were talking about Dan Gurney, and I think there's an opportunity there to really get into what his impact is on the sport. You know, I think the great thing, you know, when you win a race now, you spray champagne. And that really started with Dan Gurney at Le Mans when they won the. And you talk about that, I think, in your doc a little bit.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. Well, Gurney is such a crazy.

[Patrick Dempsey]

He did it all. He did it all.

[Brian Bishop]

I mean, he. Indy and Le Mans, endurance racing, stock car racing, everything. Sports car racing, like, everything.

[Patrick Dempsey]

And a manufacturer. He built his own car.

[Brian Bishop]

He built it. He built his own motorcycle.

[Adam Carolla]

He's crazy.

[Patrick Dempsey]

That motorcycle.

[Brian Bishop]

I went to his shop in whatever California, Orange County.

[Patrick Dempsey]

It's down there, right?

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. And I'm not sure, like, Norwalk or

[Adam Carolla]

the city of whatever.

[Brian Bishop]

The city of whatever. It's in Norwalk or Downey or something. I don't remember. It's like one of those places. And I went and interviewed him for our doc and he gave me a tour of the place. And, you know, not only did that guy race and win in every discipline of motorsports, but then an innovator, he was building those cars. He's so prolific that in uppity the next doc with Willie T Ribs, he was running the Toyota team Willie was driving for and winning the manufacturer's championship with. He was doing all the innovation technology that. But he's also making stuff for SpaceX in the back. Like, he's like, you're not supposed to talk about this.

[Patrick Dempsey]

You can't even go in that side of this.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, you can go in. Just don't talk about. On the podcast. Damn it. He really. I mean, you just talk about a legend. I mean, you talk about a guy who was doing the driving, then doing the building, and at the end, making stuff for space. And what an incredible. What a mind story. What a mind.

[Patrick Dempsey]

What a mind. And, you know, he's sort of matinee idol looks, you know, sort of quintessential driver. And the impact on the sport is phenomenal. Unbelievable. And how long his career lasted is the other thing.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. And, you know, invented the champagne spray and the gurney bubble of the car to make room for his helmet because everyone knows he's a big guy.

[Patrick Dempsey]

He was what, six, three, something like that.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. And racers are small and cars are small. And the GT40 is named after being 40 inches off the ground. So he's going to race one of the lowest cars ever made. So for maximum protection, they had 316 of an inch of fiberglass above his

[Adam Carolla]

helmet to save his head.

[Patrick Dempsey]

But if you rolled it, it would have been over, right? It was.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, anytime your head is sticking out further than the roof, it's not a. But he went out and raced anyway. All right, again, Hurley is the name of the doc. It is highly recommended by me, and what a great story, even if you're not a gearhead. It's available digitally and on demand, and that is this Tuesday, March 26th. Patrick Dempsey, thanks for stopping by.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Thank you. It's great to be in here finally.

[Narrator/Expert]

Thank you.

[Brian Bishop]

We'll do Banks Bracket madness and news right after this.

[Dawson]

It's time to check Adam's voice mail.

[RJ Bell]

Ace, man, I just want to let you know I went to the Not Taco Bell Material premiere here in Vancouver, Washington. I thought it was hilarious. It was awesome. But also I was inspired, motivated. I came home. The first thing I did is I went and peed in the sink. And I didn't even move the dishes out of the way first.

[Dawson]

You can leave us a message at 888-634-174.

[Brian Bishop]

See, I just want to have an impact. That's all. I don't care about the money. I don't care about the accolades.

[Gina Grad]

You can touch just one person.

[Adam Carolla]

Your legacy. That's what you're here for.

[Brian Bishop]

That's right. And my legacy. And my penisy in the sinkasy.

[Adam Carolla]

Peeing down your legacy.

[Brian Bishop]

That's right. I'd like to pee down my legacy with my penisy. All right, so thanks, and thanks for watching that and Taco Bell material. It's available as we speak at chassis 2s's and y and Amazon and itunes and all that. So thank you guys for enjoying that. All right, R.J. bell's on the blower. He's going to weigh in on the banks brackets as well, which we have coming.

[Adam Carolla]

He covers everything.

[Gina Grad]

Some insight.

[Brian Bishop]

Yep. This half brought to you by [e-mail] and RJ Bell, Mr. Adam Carolla.

[Patrick Dempsey]

You know something?

[RJ Bell]

We still have to have our conversation about our premium on demand app. Adam Carolla, searchable database that's gonna help the legacy.

[Brian Bishop]

Okay.

[RJ Bell]

Because think about it. You do a show, it's almost like a castle made of sand. You got hundreds of thousands, whatever, a million listeners. But then a couple days later, it's all just gone with the tide. We can save it.

[Brian Bishop]

I think we are saving them, by the way.

[RJ Bell]

We'll go back and randomly listen to some show from three years ago.

[Brian Bishop]

That's right. But we got to give him the best.

[Adam Carolla]

Chris, I know you're 10 years in, but start saving these episodes.

[Brian Bishop]

Hit record. What do you.

[RJ Bell]

But plus, I figure I'll be on a lot of the Best of with the segments I deliver. So I do have a per. You know, kind of a personal connection.

[Adam Carolla]

It'll be RJ's best of, I assume.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, let's talk about that. We have an intro.

[Adam Carolla]

We do.

[Dawson]

It's time for RJ's Parlay, presented by BET DSI with Vegas insider, RJ Bell.

[Brian Bishop]

All right. What do you got, RJ?

[RJ Bell]

Well, NCAA tournament. Now, what's your position? I know you're an NFL guy first, but do you get excited, Adam? Even these first four days of the NCAA tournament?

[Brian Bishop]

Well, there's a couple things I realize when I hear about the NC tournament. One is, I had no idea there were so many colleges, because there are always colleges I've never heard of. It's like when someone goes, there's 156 countries and you go, I can name 11 Gonzaga. That's all I need.

[Adam Carolla]

There's an east in West Germany, right?

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. Like, it's crazy that. I swear to God, if you gave me a steno pad and a hundred hours out of the 156 nations or whatever it is, I. I think I could come up with maybe high 20s, like, low 30s. That's how ugly and American I am. And that same lack of education is brought to the education system and lack of knowledge of universities and colleges that are playing in the Final Four, so. Or not the Final Four, but March Madness. And so I find myself just rooting for the school I've heard of least.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Underdog.

[RJ Bell]

I wonder if 50% of the country could name 50% of the states the schools are in. Right. Like, North Carolina is in North Carolina. Okay, easy. But where's Belmont, for example?

[Brian Bishop]

No way. I mean, you're talking about. When I found out that Notre Dame was in Indiana. About blew my mind.

[Adam Carolla]

Same. I remember I was like 11 years old. Like, what?

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, yeah.

[RJ Bell]

I was like, 28.

[Brian Bishop]

I was like, 31. And I was like, get the hell out of here. Well, like, it just. It's so un. Indiana.

[Gina Grad]

It's gotta be Connecticut.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yes. In East Coast.

[Brian Bishop]

I was in the Vatican. Like, I didn't know it's Rome. It seemed insane to Me. But when I found out Detroit was in Michigan, that blew my mind as well. So I was easily moved.

[Adam Carolla]

What?

[Brian Bishop]

Yes. And Cleveland in Ohio, Those are the two that I could never. I'm from North Hollywood. We didn't go anywhere. We didn't. I didn't know anybody.

[Gina Grad]

Is that not in Hollywood?

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, see, there you go. Rj, what do you got?

[RJ Bell]

Actually, speaking of la, I just rewatched Heat, De Niro, Pacino. What an LA movie.

[Brian Bishop]

We just had Michael Mann in here the other day. Man, he was really.

[RJ Bell]

Well, that's a. I mean, that's one of the 10 guys of the last 20 years, you gotta say.

[Brian Bishop]

Could you name a director that's been involved with more big time films, films that you remember, films you've watched multiple times? And that guy walked into my studio, you'd have no idea who he was. You'd think he was dropping off some grubhub, which was. I should have sniped him up. Have you seen Thief?

[RJ Bell]

That early one he did with James Caan.

[Brian Bishop]

I didn't even know that was Michael Mann. It was, yeah, the original Thief. I think they made a remake too, of Thief, but the James Caan Thief 1, the Young James Caan version. All right, what are. What's some locks for us, rj?

[RJ Bell]

Like, why not just quit the job and bet these days?

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, yeah.

[RJ Bell]

Well, you know, here's what I'll say. Duke is the clear favorite. And in fact, if you go back a decade, Duke entering the tournament, second biggest favorite entering the tournament of any team in the last decade. So relatively. And there was an undefeated Kentucky team that had even better odds. But this is one of those years where it's like there's a clear favor, and it is Duke and Zion is being discussed as much as any college player has. I mean, you would say since LeBron, but LeBron didn't play college. You could make the case. This is the most discussed. Zion Williams, college player of the century. Duke leading star.

[Brian Bishop]

Do we have a thought? I know everyone thinks he's gonna be dominant. It doesn't always translate in the NFL. It translates more in the NBA about a guy's dominance. There's so many other things going on in the NFL, especially injuries and stuff like that, but we think this guy's dominant on this level and it just doesn't translate to the next level. Do we know he's gonna be dominant in the NBA level?

[RJ Bell]

To me, what I see. And you're making a great point, there's players that are legends at the college level. In basketball that go to the NBA and they can't even make a team right. And usually, and you think about the Morrison fellow that ended up, you know, I think he ended up being the third pick. Adam Morrison couldn't even make it in the league. And usually it's physicality, where if you're a great shooter in college, and especially with the three ball being so important now, you don't have to be six four, six, five and strong. You get to the NBA where if you can't defend at least one person on the other team, there's a problem and the physicality can be an issue. Even if you can shoot the lights out with Zion, he's one of the most freakish physical athletes we've seen. So I would say he's about as likely NBA superstar as you're going to get.

[Brian Bishop]

What are his measurements? Is he 6, 7, 6 8?

[RJ Bell]

He's in that range. But it's his frame 285. Because if you think back to LeBron, even just coming out of high school, he hasn't grown that much height wise at all. I'm not sure he has even. But you felt like that frame could put on another, what, 50, 60 pounds? And that's what you've seen. And what they're talking about, Zion, and this is going to be great generationally for you guys, is like, he'll be like Karl malone when he's 30. He's going to be built like Karl Malone, but he's going to have the ball handling and the outside shooting, you know, like a Larry Bird. So I mean, it's going to be if it goes right. You never know is this is a guy that could be 280 and not have fat on him.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, he's coming in at 67285 now. I mean, imagine that guy's just backing you into the paint. I mean, what the hell are you supposed to do? And he has a good vertical, right?

[RJ Bell]

Oh, yeah. I mean, just unbelievable. And the amazing thing was, and this was one of those conspiracy theories you probably saw when he got hurt a while back and his shoe blew out. And the funny thing is, there's always a debate the NCAA is not paying these players. And not only that, but Nike pays Duke many, many millions of dollars to be a Nike school. So if Zion was going to go on the court after his injury, it had to be wearing Nikes. The speculation was because that shoe actually blew out on him, there would be a bidding war. Because the theory would be, well, Nike wants him to show. I Have you know, I hold no ill will. The shoe blew out and hurt my knee. It was, wasn't the shoes fault. And imagine if Adidas gets him now. You see him crumble, his knees hurt and you see that Nike logo somehow lit up a little extra. Next music rises up, slam dunk. He comes back down wearing Adidas. So what's fascinating about that injury is when he does sign his shoe deal, Zion, it could be the biggest shoe deal in history because he got hurt, the shoe blown out.

[Brian Bishop]

I defend Nike, which is that shoe is made for 185 to 220 dudes and it's made by chicks that are and kids that are 90 to 103 pounds. It's not made for him.

[RJ Bell]

Why are we wearing it?

[Brian Bishop]

It's too, no one envisioned him. It's like somebody built a rope bridge with back when people were 150 pounds and said all right, Max, 250. Come on. One of them's wearing a backpack or something and then this comes running across like it's not made, it wasn't made for him. It's, you couldn't, I don't know how you would construct a shoe that could take what that body could put to it. You know, I mean he's literally the

[RJ Bell]

amount of money they spend on horse, like let's say a horse's shoes or

[Brian Bishop]

however you call they put at the

[RJ Bell]

bottom of the horse. I think probably they should figure out a shoe for Zion.

[Brian Bishop]

No, they need to.

[RJ Bell]

But guy's worth like a billion dollars.

[Brian Bishop]

His athleticism, I'm assuming he was just like issued a shoe like here's size 14 or 16 our shoe. But they didn't really realize this. This guy's going to need to go further than that.

[RJ Bell]

You know something Adam, I think you probably, I'm guessing because I'm a longtime fan, you know that I, I, I kind of guess when something's going to get you worked up. What do you think of all these perfect bracket deals where it's like, oh, if you get a perfect bracket, you get a million bucks and it's free. And all that compared to the chance of a perfect bracket. Is that one of those things that you kind of get worked up about?

[Brian Bishop]

It gives a bad name to the hard working gamblers of this country. The guys, grinders, they grab their lunch pail, they go to the casino, they

[Gina Grad]

don't make a big show of it.

[Brian Bishop]

$70 worth of shrimp for $9. They ignore their children, chain smoke and drink, drink watered down, free drinks. Those guys the hard working heroes. The blue collar men and men bracket gamblers. The guys who just show up season in, season out and wager the kids college money on trifectas and who's going to win the coin toss at the Super Bowl. It gives those guys a bad name.

[Adam Carolla]

They have a cigar, they don't smoke it, they got to chew on it.

[Brian Bishop]

The guys who slap the cocktail waitress on the ass and ask them to freshen up their high ball at noon on a Thursday. Those guys, the champions.

[RJ Bell]

I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give you one stat. I've got a bunch of these. I'm gonna give you one I think you're gonna appreciate.

[Brian Bishop]

Please.

[RJ Bell]

If every person on earth fill out one bracket per second. Now imagine that. So like 7 billion brackets every second. Boom, boom, boom. It would take 40 years to fill out all possible brackets.

[Dawson]

Really?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, think of 64 possible comment plus the first 4.

[Brian Bishop]

Also, you could. Look, you're talking to a guy who can only name 19 out of 156 countries. Obviously, I'm going to believe you. I'm going to. Hold on a second. Look at my scratch pad.

[Gina Grad]

Get my Atticus.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, boy. You've made some huge errors, some huge gaffes in your math, R.J. bell. I just crunched a couple preliminary numbers, but you're off.

[Adam Carolla]

You're way off.

[Brian Bishop]

You're way off. Wow. Is all I can. Is all I can say. All right, rj, do you have any thoughts on Banks Bracket Madness?

[RJ Bell]

It's funny, you know, there's all kind of books out there about how do you organically create a viral event, right? Because if you can create something that's viral, that's going to spread, you know, Twitter, Instagram, podcast networks, what's the recipe? Right? Because if you can crack that code, you're a millionaire instantly. Well, I don't know how you guys did it, but I just started hearing the whispers. Initially, it was a low rumble. It was about Dick Banks. The Dick Banks Bracket. Finally I decided, you know, as a fan, I had to really dig into this and I decided to put some odds out on which song is going to win.

[Brian Bishop]

And we got a few more entries coming up as soon as we.

[RJ Bell]

I don't need those because I've got the lock. I never talk about lockdown. I know we got a lock here in the Dick Banks bracket. Downtown Funk.

[Gina Grad]

Yeah.

[RJ Bell]

In my opinion, I got him a minus. I got that song at minus 1500. That's the lock.

[Brian Bishop]

Wow.

[Adam Carolla]

Prohibitive favorite.

[Gina Grad]

His confidence.

[Adam Carolla]

1500.

[Brian Bishop]

Now, you know, I Love Dick Banks, but I hate that song. So I'm very, very, very mixed.

[RJ Bell]

Let's be honest, a lot of your fans have an ambivalent relationship with you. So I'm not sure that will affect things.

[Adam Carolla]

Rj, If I wanted to put some money on a long shot. Do you have any? Do you have any?

[RJ Bell]

This is what's weird. This is the weird part because Dylan, you know, one of your producers who, as the years have gone by, my respect has grown for. You know, I'm just saying he's a. But it's weird. He kept texting me. He said, what do you think about. And I'm gonna read this in quotes now. He kept saying, what do you think of coming on the tits? And the first time I ignored it because it was like. I thought maybe he was sending it to somebody else accidentally. But then he kept sending it to me, like, what do you think of that? I think it should be a favor. So I'm not going to put it as the second favor, but I did think I was noteworthy.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. All right, so.

[Gina Grad]

No, but seriously, what do you think of it?

[Brian Bishop]

We got Downtown or Uptown.

[Gina Grad]

Downtown Funk.

[Brian Bishop]

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[RJ Bell]

You know, I wouldn't mind, I can't lie. And I'll leave you with this. This will have happened by the time the show runs tomorrow. But we're playing tonight, the Vinyl Room. And I know you've played there, so I just want you to know my general career goal is to be about 4 you. Wherever you are at a given point. I want to be there in four years. So I think I got. I can check off the Vinyl Room after tonight.

[Brian Bishop]

That's at Caesars.

[RJ Bell]

That's at the Hard Rock.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. Oh, Hard Rock. What the hell? I have it. I thought we played Caesars last.

[Adam Carolla]

We did vinyl.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah, we did.

[RJ Bell]

But listen, you've done a lot of places, man. I mean, it's like hello Cleveland. Remember, it's like, you know, jetting around. You played the vinyl room.

[Brian Bishop]

Thanks, BET DSI and thanks RJ Bell, by the way. Go ahead, Brian.

[Dawson]

RJ's parlay presented by BET DSI.

[Brian Bishop]

Hey, RJ, sorry for the for the wait today, but thanks for checking in with us. We do always appreciate it.

[RJ Bell]

Hey guys, listen, it is a true honor to be on the show. So anytime you need flex from me, you've got it. Thanks, man.

[Brian Bishop]

Love you, rj. All right, we have some Banks Brackets songs to play.

[Dawson]

Welcome back to Banks Bracket Madness. The tournament more packed with action than Adam's fridge is packed with carbs. Last time we heard a song about Adam and a song about Lynette go head to head.

[Brian Bishop]

But.

[Dawson]

And much like their arguments, Lynette lost. Downtown Funk advanced. And in our intro song battle, the original Rotten Tomatoes theme was certified fresh and advanced over.

[Brian Bishop]

Hooray for Baldiwood.

[Dawson]

On to our second match of the KLSX Conference. In 2006, Adam had a very famous phone call with a political pundit which led to this song here from the original KLSX airing. Ann Coulter.

[Brian Bishop]

Hi, Ann. You're late, baby doll.

[Tucker Carlson]

Somebody gave me the wrong number.

[Brian Bishop]

And Coulter, my publicist emailed it to

[RJ Bell]

me after checking with you.

[Jimmy Bruska]

She's a. A you can't keep contraption.

[Brian Bishop]

Did you just hang up on an

[Jimmy Bruska]

agree on that shrill hobby?

[Brian Bishop]

But I am really tight on time right now.

[Jimmy Bruska]

He told that se biscuit look alike.

[Brian Bishop]

All right, we'll get lost.

[Jimmy Bruska]

A telephone. He did slam in her ear. He made her shrill voice disappear. She's a right wing TR and ace doesn't have time to deal with the rants of Mr. And.

[Brian Bishop]

Wow. God. Rich banks, everybody.

[Gina Grad]

The range.

[Brian Bishop]

The range. I have a thing. I have this visceral reaction to sing songy.

[Adam Carolla]

I do.

[Brian Bishop]

Yes, I do.

[Gina Grad]

After getting it from you, I just.

[Adam Carolla]

But I really don't.

[Gina Grad]

I am tied on time.

[Brian Bishop]

It's so unnecessary. The sing songiness. It's pretty unnecessary.

[Gina Grad]

The TSA really has it unlocked.

[Brian Bishop]

I know. Oh, it drives me nuts. It is funny when Bill Maher does it.

[Tucker Carlson]

Both of them?

[Brian Bishop]

Yes, both of them. All right, whatever. What's that going against Dawson?

[Dawson]

Up next, the a song about the producer of that morning show. Jimmy Bruska.

[Jimmy Bruska]

Just ate some ham. He smells like capicola meat. A gut so big he can't see his feet. Bruss girl, how your body's grown. You're bigger than your pregnant wife at home. Brusco. He jiggles when he walks and sounds like he's yelling every time he talks. From cold cuts to Cocoa Puffs, there's nothing he won't eat.

[Brian Bishop]

I was so impressed with Bruscos. I remember he's like explaining like I was like, what do you do for breakfast? Like I get my wife up at 3:45. She makes me breakfast before I come in and I'm like, oh, she go back to bed or something? Oh no, no. She got full time job up for the day. She's principal of the school. Hold on a second.

[Adam Carolla]

It's a sweet setup.

[Brian Bishop]

She's got a full time gig. Yeah. You get to roust her like the middle of the night essentially to make you lunch and breakfast and stuff. And then she can either go back to bed for an hour and a half or just go into school or maybe she do some yard work or something. Go to Carnauba on the Jeddah, whatever. She doesn't have to go back to bed. I was like, how does that work?

[Adam Carolla]

What a life.

[Brian Bishop]

What a life.

[Gina Grad]

Hey, speaking of that, can I show you a picture from this morning that I woke up to? No, I woke up to a breakfast in bed. Happy Thursday, I guess.

[Adam Carolla]

Who's that bitch?

[Gina Grad]

How dare you. This is my boyfriend who wanted to surprise me with breakfast in bed early this morning.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, I don't like that.

[Gina Grad]

I love it.

[Brian Bishop]

All right, what'd he make?

[Gina Grad]

Oh God. He made scrambled eggs with bacon and round patty sausage on the side with coffee vanilla and a crossword pudding.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh my God.

[Gina Grad]

Good one.

[Brian Bishop]

Just because he's a dick.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Yes.

[Brian Bishop]

He didn't let me finish.

[Gina Grad]

Sorry, sorry, you were saying?

[Dawson]

Next up, more action in the lackey conference. And it might be one of the tourney's toughest matches. Starting with a song about one lackey who now has to hope his kid never hears it.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, Gary, right?

[RJ Bell]

The best, the best.

[Jimmy Bruska]

Gary's flying he's in a park long long way from home Beating his meat on a big old jet plane with an iPad full of por. This takes a handheld device to be stowed away but he won't stop until he's done jerking himself at a mile high he's just having some first class fun on that big old jet out lineup Please don't pull that blanket away on that big old Jetta lineup Cuz Gary just made penis pull.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, we were talking about beating off on a plane and how that, you know, it was kind of tough cause you'd have to be sort of locked in the bathroom for a while. And like Gary's like, you don't have to use the bathroom. First class.

[Adam Carolla]

Pod pods.

[Brian Bishop]

Pod. But they're like, where are you going in a pod at 19 and a half? I didn't know who that was.

[Gina Grad]

Did we ever question how Gary got a pod?

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, he was going to Europe with his family.

[Gina Grad]

Oh, they sprung for it.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, they sprung for it.

[Adam Carolla]

High rollers.

[Gina Grad]

Damn.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. I don't know. High flyers. I'm a little more Gordon. I think I have Chef Ramsey. Gordon Lightfoot. Yeah. A little wreck of the Advent Fitzgerald. We take or barge to Europe. No. Gordon Ramsay is like, I'm rich, but you kids ain't get in the back of the plane.

[Gina Grad]

I respect it.

[Adam Carolla]

To them, a first class seat is a coach seat, you know, it's huge.

[Jimmy Bruska]

Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

I mean, to be fair, 19 year old Gary's probably six, three and a half, so probably needs his own pod. And look, look, you take most dudes with a pad worth of, you know, God, a tablet worth of porn and put them on 11 and a half hour flight, drill a hole in that tablet. It's going. It's above 50% Gina. I hate to tell you.

[Gina Grad]

It makes sense.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. Be prepared. All right, here we go.

[Dawson]

Going up against that song is a parody of the great duo Simon and Garfunkel done by the greater duo of lynch and Banks. Lynch of course, being Garfunkel. And it nails all the young guys on the staff.

[Jimmy Bruska]

Hello, Dylan, lucky friend. It's good to rant at you again because you fuck up nearly every day. You can't seem to get out of your own way.

[Adam Carolla]

Nearly.

[Jimmy Bruska]

And the bio, that is far from perfect. You triple checked. This is the language of losers. Don't worry, Dylan, it's not just you. Matt and Gary fuck up too. Look through the window of negligence. No one there is doing Adam's best. And when Gary takes off a week for his half birthday, that is the

[Tucker Carlson]

way

[Jimmy Bruska]

to hear the language of losers. And through his childhood, Adam saw there's more checked out dad and depressed mom. Parents who did no parenting dirt on home. That was embarrassing. Flunky bodies like Ozzy and Red borrowing cash they won't pay back. This is the language of loser.

[Gina Grad]

Wow, that is a tight match.

[Adam Carolla]

That's a goddamn shame one of these has to lose.

[Gina Grad]

Poor Gary on all fronts.

[Brian Bishop]

So strong. God, that was good.

[Gina Grad]

Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

All right, well, you guys got your work cut out for you, man.

[Dawson]

Go to AdamCorolla.com to vote for your favorites and we'll tune in tomorrow for the next round of Banks Bracket madness.

[Brian Bishop]

All right, let me hit Castrol Edge stronger under pressure. That is Castrol Edge with fluid. Titanium transforms under pressure to keep metal apart and fight power, robbing friction to unlock exhilarating performance. 3 times. 3 times fool. Stronger than leading full synthetic against viscosity breakdown. Ask Patrick Dempsey, everybody. He knows. Two million bucks to go to LA just as a privateer. They tested this stuff against other leading full synthetics and it's three times strong. A fool. Castrol Edge, everybody. All right, Gina Grad, let's do some news.

[Gina Grad]

Let's do it.

[Brian Bishop]

Give me the news with grab News with Gino Grad.

[Jimmy Bruska]

Breaking viral. All those crazy Trump tweets. Give me news with Gina Grad. Trouble in the Middle East. Celebrity drunk meltdown.

[Brian Bishop]

Seek News with Gina. Gina.

[Dawson]

The News with Gina Grad.

[Gina Grad]

So New Zealand's prime minister announced on Wednesday that the country will ban assault weapons, including the type used in the mass shootings that killed 50 last Friday at Two Miles Mosques in Christchurch. The ban will take effect once it is approved by legislatures. Ardern, her name is.

[Brian Bishop]

New Zealand's an island, right?

[Gina Grad]

Yes, it is.

[Brian Bishop]

Shouldn't be allowed to have assault weapons on islands.

[Adam Carolla]

It's fair.

[Gina Grad]

And you know what? They're okay with that.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. I don't know why. It doesn't matter how big it is. It feels weird to have someone with an assault weapon on an island.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Gina Grad]

And they actually, I heard a report, they were talking about it and saying there's just a different relationship with guns. They have them, it's mostly recreational and hunting. And they're like, you know, it's not about defending yourself or your property. It's about hunting and recreation. And they said, if you want them back. Most people are saying, take them back. So here's what Prime Minister Jacinda Armando.

[Brian Bishop]

Most people saying, take them back.

[Gina Grad]

Yeah, there was. Who was it? It must have been on kfi. They. Or maybe kbc. They were talking to a pundit in.

[Brian Bishop]

They're not buying them back.

[Gina Grad]

Well, I have a whole thing on how they're getting the guns back. But then people aren't saying, you know, Mike, hold dead hands. You're gonna pry this out of Mike.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

Are they AR15s?

[Gina Grad]

I have a whole list of everything that's gonna go on that ban list.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, I don't like salt wiper. You know, if you wanna live in Mexico, go ahead. It's gonna include violence. I don't like.

[Gina Grad]

Yeah, you know, caliber, sizes of the actual bullets. I'll show you after.

[Brian Bishop]

Still, it's all like. It's. Nothing hurts, it's still all sort of symbolic. Like, if anyone wants to get a pistol and put clips in it and take two of them and go wherever you want, you just kill a bunch of people. Or you could blow them up with fertilizer.

[Gina Grad]

But at least somebody's doing something and everybody's cool with it. It's not just. Well, we'll just see what happens again.

[Brian Bishop]

No, I'm fine with it. And it's good. And it is sort of. It's symbolic. And it's fine that it's symbolic. Like. All right, symbolic.

[Gina Grad]

Here we go. Today I'm announcing that New Zealand will ban all military style semi automatic weapons. We will also ban all assault rifles.

[Brian Bishop]

Hold on a second. There's a giant man standing next to her. His hands are flailing about. I'm not getting the message. I got a couple things. Look, if you're deaf, he's an interpreter. You gotta learn to read lips. And if you can read lips and read my lips, read her lips. You see what I'm saying? She's saying. She's the one that's. He's doing the mouthing and the handing. But I'm saying to you, read lips. If you're deaf, learn to read lips. Let's get this huge man off the stage and let's get him back to the Steelers training facility where he came from. She's diminutive.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Yeah.

[Gina Grad]

Lazy deaf people.

[Brian Bishop]

He's giant. He's too big. He's literally casting a shadow on her speech.

[Adam Carolla]

Literally. She's tiny.

[Brian Bishop]

She's tiny. He's huge. She seems to have no difficulty enunciating. Look at their mouth. They're in the same shape.

[Gina Grad]

Right?

[Brian Bishop]

Get him out of there. And look, here's the deal. You got two choices if you're deaf. You either learn to read lips or you don't get timely messages. That's my message to you.

[Adam Carolla]

We'll have this printed for you about half an hour.

[Brian Bishop]

It's gonna be in USA Today in four hours. Read it. There you go.

[Gina Grad]

I think you're so hostile towards the heart of healing.

[Brian Bishop]

I don't need this controversial take.

[Gina Grad]

Well, hopefully you can still hear this even though he's standing next to it.

[Brian Bishop]

Mm. Okay. He's too big. He's too big for this job. She's too small. We gotta even this out somehow. It's not fitting. Right.

[Adam Carolla]

DFG just unfollowed us on Twitter.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, no. Sorry. Go ahead. She's tiny and he's huge. Sorry.

[Adam Carolla]

He's a real moana situation.

[Gina Grad]

We will ban All Kai capacity magazines. We will ban all parts with the ability to convert semi automatic or any other type of firearm into a military style semi automatic weapon. We will ban parts that cause a firearm to generate semi automatic, automatic, or close to automatic gunfire. In short, every semi automatic weapon. Terrorist attack on Friday.

[Brian Bishop]

This is a disaster. I don't know what you're saying. She's saying Wednesday is national dog walking day. I have no idea what's coming out of her mouth. I'm staring at a huge let's go fishing. Yeah, there's a huge man's hands are all over the road. He doesn't need to do the mouthing. She's right next to him moving her mouth. And by the way, who you gonna believe, his mouth or her mouth?

[Gina Grad]

Well, she has a microphone in front of her.

[Brian Bishop]

She's coming out of her mouth. I'm looking at her mouth.

[Adam Carolla]

There's a lot more screen real estate as well.

[Gina Grad]

Did you get the gunfire part?

[Adam Carolla]

That part I got, yeah. If you're a deaf lip reader, do you read lips with an accent? Like, can you tell she has an accent?

[Gina Grad]

Mouth position's probably a little different.

[Brian Bishop]

Interesting.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, it's semi interesting.

[Brian Bishop]

All right, look, here's the other thing too. Let's do what we do. We do best. We put them in that little box. We get them on the box, and we get them in the lower right hand corner in a box. Once in a while, the crawl screws them up.

[Gina Grad]

And if he can't fit in the box, he doesn't get to do it.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, this guy's not fitting in a box. We need a refrigerator box for this cat. He's a big dude. Look, here's the deal.

[Adam Carolla]

He's bursting out of the box like Porky Pig.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, you know, F1 drivers, they don't go above 150 pounds. Jockeys, they don't go above 110 pounds. Let's do that for the translator.

[Adam Carolla]

Sure.

[Brian Bishop]

Let's do that for the sign language. Sign language guys. That guy's too much, man.

[Gina Grad]

You know what you make me realize? I apologize for something. I buried the lead of this story. Interpreters are too big.

[Brian Bishop]

This guy is.

[Adam Carolla]

This one is.

[Brian Bishop]

What do you think his story is like? He was a wrestled in college, blew out his knee, took it. Was in love with some chick who was a sign language interpreter and took the class just to get close to her. There's something here, right?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, there's some reason he's a giant, man.

[Brian Bishop]

He's too big to do this.

[Gina Grad]

Not playing rugby this Is not.

[Brian Bishop]

That's not the role of a big man. Big guys aren't attracted to this.

[Gina Grad]

This is New Zealand. There's a lot of Maori. There's a lot of, you know, guys. Big guys. Big you.

[Brian Bishop]

I'm gonna look into it, but let's get him out of there.

[Gina Grad]

Okay, well, that's what's important.

[Brian Bishop]

All right.

[Dawson]

Yes.

[Gina Grad]

So Kraft, he got offered a sweet deal of 100 hours of community service and STD screenings and admitting he's guilty.

[Brian Bishop]

Let me say this about the law. The part where, like, oh, we're gonna make an example of him. Or we got a guy, he's a da, but he's up for reelection. You know, like, can we stop that? Like, can we just treat regular guys like, whatever it is you do, that's what you did, no matter how much you're worth.

[Adam Carolla]

Take that blindfold off. Justice put on yourself.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. Like, oh, hey, Robert Kraft. We're gonna make an example of him. Oh, why? Because he pays a shitload in taxes? Because he pays taxes enough for 500 families. We got to make an example of my. My feelings. Like, maybe we give him a little. Little lighter look.

[Gina Grad]

Well, he feels the same way.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. This. Who's this da?

[Gina Grad]

Well, he's. Kraft is rejecting this deal.

[Brian Bishop]

Good. Yeah, screw you. Like, I, I. The guy probably pays proxy $15 million a year in taxes. How about we give him a break? Well, Tuesday, I'm gonna make an example of him. Why? Because his wife died and he wins the super bowl and he's rich. Like, why do we have to make an example of it?

[Gina Grad]

Do you want to throw Laurie and Felicity in on that? With the examples from the usc?

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, I don't need. I don't need it. You know, I said to Mark Garrigus, what. What's with the million dollar bail? Like, what is she, a flight risk? She was in Canada when you told her to come back. Like, she was already in another country. And she. She's like, why do you have to send the SEAL Team 6 over to her house in Bel Air? Like, what is all this shit? And he's like, they just send her a summons to appear. And she'd appear. Like, they don't need to do any of this stuff.

[Gina Grad]

Bust through a window at 5am you

[Brian Bishop]

don't have to pull the van up. You just send her a summons that says you gotta appear, and then she'll get her lawyer, and then she'll appear. You don't need to show up at her house at 5 in the morning. And as far as the million dollar bond. You don't. That's unnecessary and insane. Like. Well, we're making an example, okay, of who Mon Pa Kettle over here, like, who's robbing all the banks? What are they doing? Like, I get the part where you. We have heard their name before and now we shall make an example of them. What did they do that we need to make an example of them? They got their stupid kid on the crew team or paid for whatever. Something that has been going on for as long as we've had institutions. And Kraft over there gets a handy. That's something that's been going on for a while as well. What is this part where we need to make examples of the people that are working and paying taxes and we've

[Gina Grad]

never wanted it more.

[Brian Bishop]

And screw you, you're not allowed to make examples. You just apply the law equally to everybody.

[Gina Grad]

Well, he agrees with you.

[Adam Carolla]

That part I agree with. So don't make an example out of them just because they are rich or famous. That's absurd. But also them. Apply the law to them the same way you'd apply to anyone else. Like if they're guilty of tax fraud because they claimed a write off, it was actually $100,000 payment to so and so. That's illegal. You can't do that just as you're rich. You shouldn't get hammered more, but you shouldn't get hammered less.

[Gina Grad]

Works both ways.

[Brian Bishop]

That's true.

[Gina Grad]

So Tuesday, prosecutors in Florida made an offer, the offer I just told you about. And he has to complete the education.

[Brian Bishop]

100 hours of community service.

[Gina Grad]

100 hours community service.

[Brian Bishop]

What's with the STD test? You don't think he's got a doctor

[Gina Grad]

and an education course about prostitution? And he has to admit that he could have been found guilty and once all that happens, all the charges would be dropped. He's not going for it. He turned down the deal saying he's innocent. His attorneys are saying he's innocent. Kraft is charged with soliciting prostitution after he was allegedly caught paying for sexual favors. It's part of a sting operation. And the charges he would be facing, or I guess will be facing, are a pair of second degree misdemeanors. If he was convicted, the charges usually carry a sentence of 60 days in Canada. And I think he's gonna think he's gonna fight this one.

[Brian Bishop]

Good. And whoever the douchebag, I don't know who the DA is or whatever, but go bust criminals, would you? Jack off.

[Gina Grad]

There's probably a few running around Miami

[Brian Bishop]

Jupiter make an example. Fuck you. This guy got a hand job. Leave him alone. Also, I. I'm not. Neither here nor there on the. Paying a shitload in taxes. I don't think you need to make an example of this guy. He's paid his dues. Leave him alone. I think you should be able to buy your way out of this shit. That's me.

[Adam Carolla]

Controversial.

[Brian Bishop]

Controversial. Well, look under my. If you do my math, we'd have that bullet train to lax and these guys have a lot less semen in them.

[Adam Carolla]

We essentially do have a system where you can buy your way out of these crimes. I mean, that's essentially the system that we have.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

There's a reason Michael Jackson ever did a day.

[Brian Bishop]

You can buy reason.

[Adam Carolla]

O.J. simpson never saw a day, you know, aside from when he was, you know, locked up as a suspect, but, you know, never did in prison time.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, guess so. Trying to think about it.

[Adam Carolla]

It's kind of the system.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, it's OJ's thing was kind of. OJ's a little bit different because OJ, OJ got off. He had the dream team and he had his representation, but he also just had a lot of people in the jurors box are like, I don't care if he did it. It's payback for all the times a black guy was wronged, which, I don't know. I can give some credit to Cochran for jury selection on that.

[Adam Carolla]

As Gary says, that's where it's won and lost.

[Brian Bishop]

That is an interesting. How are you gonna win a case when people in the jury are like, like, I'm gonna let this guy go for all the stuff that's happened in the past? Like, how do you talk him out of that?

[Adam Carolla]

No, that's predetermined.

[Brian Bishop]

All right, let me tell you guys quickly. What, you got something there?

[Gina Grad]

Well, yeah. I don't know if you've ever talked to Mark about this, but do you know that we're gonna be the. California's gonna be the first state to do away with cash bail.

[Brian Bishop]

Yes.

[Gina Grad]

So that'll be interesting.

[Adam Carolla]

Salt, Bitcoin.

[Brian Bishop]

I talked to him about that. I can't remember. I think he likes it, but I can't remember to get into it with him this week. Let me tell you guys about Geico. Everyone's got the to do list. How about you save hundreds of dollars on your car insurance? You don't have to go anywhere. Just go to geico.com in just a couple of minutes. You could be saving 15% or more on your Auto insurance. Take that extra money, put it in your pocket, be the most rewarding thing you do today. That is [e-mail]. all right, Gina, what else?

[Gina Grad]

Well, Amy Schumer is hopeful that, that at some point being diagnosed with autism won't be a big deal. The comedian appeared on Wednesday night's episode of Late Night with Seth Meyers.

[Brian Bishop]

Did she have her kid?

[Gina Grad]

No, she's very pregnant.

[Brian Bishop]

She's very pregnant.

[Gina Grad]

Very pregnant. You'll see the clip.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, I saw her. I was watching some of her Netflix special and she was pretty pregnant during that. And then I was doing the. Wait a minute. When did they film it? You never know if they filmed it six months ago, but it had to be recent. And. And they must have turned this thing around pretty fast because she seemed pretty pragers during the.

[Gina Grad]

Yeah, she's very, very pregnant now. So she's talking to Seth about how her husband Chris Fisher was just diagnosed as high functioning autism on the sports as an adult.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, that's what you want.

[Gina Grad]

Well, she's thrilled about it for several reasons. This isn't part of the clip, but she says he's incapable of lying, which is great for her, but also gets her into some tough spots when she's trying to leave a party.

[Brian Bishop]

Listen, high functioning hemorrhoids is good. Like you put high functioning in front of anything, it works.

[Adam Carolla]

High functioning asshole.

[Brian Bishop]

That's right. I tell Lynette all the time and she's like, she goes, you have Asperger's? And I go, okay, good. Everyone open their mouth so I can spit in it. And they go, what? I go, you guys should all get some of this. That's the way we should do this. Everyone should get a little bit of this. Yeah, if it's working, get some shit done around here. So let's go. Everyone just open your mind mouth. Daddy'll spit it.

[Adam Carolla]

I could swab you, but what's the point in that?

[Brian Bishop]

And then you guys get a little dust in your Asperger's and then we get this party started. How about that?

[Gina Grad]

All right.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah.

[Gina Grad]

Well, this is what Amy has to say about her husband.

[Brian Bishop]

She loves it when I say that.

[Gina Grad]

Yeah, he was diagnosed as high functioning autism spectrum disorder.

[Brian Bishop]

But that has been something that has been like a.

[Tucker Carlson]

Some positive for your marriage.

[Gina Grad]

Yeah, totally. That's why we wanted. We both wanted to talk about it because. Because it's been totally positive. I think a lot of people resist getting diagnosed and even with some of their children because of the stigma that comes along with It. But you're not just diagnosed and then they throw you out. Like, you know, hopefully, if you can get help. Like, the tools that we've been given have made his life so much better and our marriage and our life more manageable. And so I just wanted to, you know, encourage people to not be afraid of that stigma because. Because, like, you know, when ADD was the new thing, like, everybody, you're a little embarrassed if you got diagnosed with attention deficit. And now everyone's like, I have that.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah.

[Gina Grad]

And, you know, I think there are a lot of people with autism who go undiagnosed when I think their life could be better if they got those tools.

[Brian Bishop]

And I. It's wonderful.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

Comedians just become heroes and stop telling jokes. She has, you know, my Ben Stiller body dysmorphic whatever thought where it's like, you go, yeah. Every movie he's playing some kind of obnoxious fitness coach in his underwear, his shirts off.

[Gina Grad]

Or he's not. He still finds a way.

[Brian Bishop]

He still figures out a way to get down speedos, like, whatever it is. Like, oh, he's gonna play in the volleyball game, the pool ball. All they have is these miniature speedos for him. And it's like, most comedians are like, eh, give me some board shorts and a tank top or whatever. It's like, he's always in there. Amy Schumer manages to get naked or nearly naked in almost everything. I'm watching her standup special and she's like, I'm pregnant. Like, okay, we can see that. Don't believe me. She, like, pulls her dress up and it's like, woo. And I get it. If you did a thing where it's like, let's just say, Brian, let's just say every time you pull the note nut out, okay? Every time you just undid one button in your Levi's and pull the nut out, everyone would stand up and start clapping like, hey, he's a hero. He is a hero.

[Adam Carolla]

Our live shows would be very different.

[Brian Bishop]

Look at that hairy, saggy bag. And this guy's got the guts to pull it out. Hero. Like, eventually you'd just be going out to dinner, just going, I pull a nut out. I wore my dolphin shorts because I figured a lot of folks here would want to see a little side not,

[Adam Carolla]

as I said, cruise to Corolla Cay in early October.

[Gina Grad]

Well, this is one of her latest pictures on Instagram, by the way.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, she's. To prove your point, totally naked.

[Gina Grad]

Central Park.

[Adam Carolla]

That's my testicle.

[Brian Bishop]

She pulled her dress up like over her head. And she was talking about her navel being distended or something like that. And everyone starts clapping. But I realized she has been sort of programmed like in a Pavlovian way that every time you pull something up or show something, everyone starts clapping because you go, hey, look at person doesn't look that good in their underpants with the guts, you know, and they, she's, she's obviously feeding off it or there's something about it that works to her,

[Gina Grad]

like reward system, body positivity, revolution.

[Brian Bishop]

It's a little bit different than the Ben Stiller thing. But we're looking at picture on stage where they're, you know, when you do a stand up set, at some point you gotta, you gotta drop a nut or pull your skirt out.

[Gina Grad]

I've been to the Ice House.

[Brian Bishop]

It's hard to get through a set. Like back when Carol Burnett would do her show overhead. That's why I have to watch it again. She'd do that move to her grandma and then boom, sundress right over the head. Like it's not a necessary function.

[Adam Carolla]

Because the end of Gallagher shows used

[Brian Bishop]

to be very different. Oh, very different that front row. So she is a comedian who I get to see naked or partially naked in almost every movie. And I kind of get the Chris Hemsworth sort of part of the business where it's like, look at that guy store. You know, look at him with his shirt on, bulging and everything. Whatever. We get the rock and all that. But this is a little into the Ben Stiller world.

[Gina Grad]

What about Chelsea Handler? She likes to get it naked.

[Brian Bishop]

She's got that too. And so I think Ben Stiller has the. Oh, you think I'm a funny little Jewish kid? How about this six pack? You know what I mean? I think he kind of shows you that Chelsea Handler's got the. If you want to bang me, I think you're going to want to laugh a little bit too. And I think the Amy Schumer thing is, oh, you're a hero. You're a hero. Look at you. Look at. And mediocre in your underpants. You're a hero. So she. They're all used to it for. They're all getting it from little different levels, but I think they're getting that. Yeah, okay, well observed because I've seen almost all the Netflix specials and I've not seen anyone. Well, Bert Chrysler actually does the.

[Adam Carolla]

That's right.

[Gina Grad]

Stole her.

[Brian Bishop]

Sorry. Yeah, he does the shirt. He does a show with the shirt off, right?

[Adam Carolla]

That's Ripping off his act.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. Or. Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah, that's true.

[Gina Grad]

Did you like the special? I haven't watched it yet.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, I like the part of it I watched.

[Adam Carolla]

If you, like, popped out belly buttons.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, it's a whole. I don't think she's funny.

[Gina Grad]

Her stand up's changed a lot.

[Brian Bishop]

Crazy funny.

[Gina Grad]

She used to play like that. A character that was sort of controversial. Now she's kind of doing her thing as herself. It's a little different.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, it's fine. I haven't watched the whole thing. I'm gonna watch the rest. All right, last one. What do we got?

[Gina Grad]

Your precious, precious peloton in the news. I don't know if you heard about this mired incontinence.

[Brian Bishop]

See, I watched tmz. They're not clearing the music.

[Gina Grad]

Oh, they have had it too good for too long. CBS News reports that fitness company Peloton is being sued for allegedly using more than a thousand unlicensed songs in its popular workout videos. Nine music publishers filed a lawsuit seeking more than 150 million in damages. So they allege that Peloton knowingly and willfully use used songs in these videos without obtaining licenses. These licenses give a music user permission to release it in a video format because these are all workout videos. So it's Lady Gaga, Justin Timberlake, Bruno Marza, Cherin, a million others. And this is not. They're not. The artists aren't the one with the lawsuit, by the way. This is the publishers. They collect the income from the licenses and pay out the songwriter. So TMZ caught up to Mark McGrath at the airport recently and asked him what he thought of the lawsuit. He became very impassioned at what I believe is lax.

[Brian Bishop]

He's a nice guy. Wait a minute. This is on tmz?

[Gina Grad]

Yeah. Did you.

[Brian Bishop]

How come I have no prior knowledge of this?

[Gina Grad]

Nobody alerted you, Matt.

[Brian Bishop]

How come I was not made aware of Sugar Ray at the airport in tmz?

[Gina Grad]

He has feelings about artists and getting their desserts.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, you're talking to a songwriter. Been fortunate enough to have some songs that were hits, you know. So why is my property free now? It's called intellectual property. And what people have a hard time understanding is that it's not something tangible. You can't touch it. So they think it's. Well, it's not really a crime. But if I walked into a Basquiat in a museum and took it off the wall and put it in my house, is it mine now, right? Now, I know that sounds like an extreme example, but Song like Fly every morning that we wrote. Those songs are worth millions. And they're spinning to that, Gary. They're still spinning. And they'll be spinning in perpetuity. And they're worth millions of dollars. I can't just go take a Basquiat off moma in New York and put it in my house and go, it's mine now. So I know it's an extreme example, but I hope people. I can let people know what intellectual property is. It has value. So creating these billion dollar companies off the backs of hard work to songwriters and musicians, I don't think it's fair. And by the way, I'm cool. I play around the world. I've been fortunate enough, I get more than I deserve. I'm just worried about songwriters that deserve, Deserve more, deserve to get.

[Jimmy Bruska]

That's what we do.

[Brian Bishop]

That's the legacy I leave to my kids. I'll tell you, this man's a genius. He's a hero. And no one knows finance like Mark McGrath because he came to me at Kimmel's house once during a party. He sidled up next to me, had a drink in his hand, he looked to his left, he looked to his right, saw no one was listening, and he whispered to me, now having kids and a wife. Wife. I was in about the same position he was in. He said, since when did paying for everything count for nothing? And I went, I don't know when that happened, but it's. It's on. It's on. You pay for everything and you get to even. And he's like, yeah, I didn't think it used to work that way.

[Gina Grad]

Did you like mine?

[Brian Bishop]

I know. I think this is. I think this is progress. I think we've evolved to this. He's like, yeah, but I'm glad.

[Adam Carolla]

So it was a fun party.

[Brian Bishop]

It was a good time.

[Gina Grad]

My glass is very quiet.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, it's a surprise for most adult males when we come, God willing, you guys all get to the position of me and Mark McGrath, where you get to realize that paying for everything counts for nothing. That's right.

[Gina Grad]

That sucks.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. For you guys, that sucks, right?

[Adam Carolla]

That's what you got for paying for everything.

[Brian Bishop]

That's what we get. I'll never forget that.

[Adam Carolla]

I will share on your point with.

[Brian Bishop]

Last time Mark McGregoth is on the podcast, I was an intern here, and he got here 15 minutes early, and

[Adam Carolla]

he went up to every single intern

[Brian Bishop]

here, and every single person here went, I'm going on a Starbucks run. What do you want? And then Goes and gets Starbucks for everybody here. And he paid for everything and has never left me.

[Adam Carolla]

I consider him the nicest guy that's ever come through.

[Brian Bishop]

So you paid him in gratitude. In happy memory, you.

[Gina Grad]

Yeah, maybe.

[Brian Bishop]

Now that could be what I'm getting.

[Narrator/Expert]

Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. Okay.

[Adam Carolla]

Intern Chris.

[Brian Bishop]

Intern Chris. All right, do we bring it home?

[Gina Grad]

We'll bring it home right now. I'm Gina Grad, and that's the news.

[RJ Bell]

What do you think of coming on the tit?

[Adam Carolla]

Gina.

[Brian Bishop]

Gina.

[Dawson]

That was the news with Gina Grad.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, that's Adam Cooler Show 2355 featuring Adam's old neighbor, Patrick Dempsey. Hope you enjoy that episode. Coming up next, we have Adam Car Show 2556 featuring Tucker Carlson. Hope you guys enjoy.

[Brian Bishop]

Good day, Gina. Gr.

[Gina Grad]

Good day to you.

[Brian Bishop]

Handball, Brian.

[Gina Grad]

That's what I do.

[Brian Bishop]

Mazel tov to Dawson, who just kicked that one out of the park. And chase balls.

[Gina Grad]

Up yours, Seleno.

[Brian Bishop]

That was so good. Salo and Barnes injury.

[Adam Carolla]

Don't bring the name up around here.

[Brian Bishop]

Also forget how good the beginning of that song is. Oh, that. It's a great song, but the beginning. There's just a way. There's a way to get into a song, and that's the way to get into a song. There's a little foreplay. That's nice. You don't just dive at the panties. You have to rub a little outside the sweater.

[Gina Grad]

Thank you.

[Dawson]

A station I worked at in San Diego started that song without the intro, and it was the program director's choice and it just pissed me off.

[Gina Grad]

Oh, that's very common, Dawson, coming from a classic rock station. Very common.

[Brian Bishop]

It's what 30 second big comedy trailers look like. And it's why Mexicans can't make dessert. It's like somebody goes, look, let's just have punchline, punchline, punchline. In this crazy wacky dance. Will Ferrell, Marky Mark movie. Like get rid of all the stupid. The non comedy before the parts where

[Adam Carolla]

they're talking but no one's laughing. Let's get the part where we're laughing.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, they do. Like when you watch comedy trailers, TV versions, you know, not the three minute in the studio, in the theater version, but when you see them on tv, I'll oftentimes have to stop and watch it five times to hear what the person says. Because you just cut to Will Smith in the punchline and they'd screw that up.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know about that.

[Brian Bishop]

Mexican screw up dessert and you screw up a song. If you don't. If you don't let a little foreplay in there. I'm trying to think that, say, 70s use of an acoustic guitar intro in a song and the best use of an 80s intro song, acoustic guitar and intro of a song. You might think it's Big Mouth strikes again.

[Gina Grad]

Sure.

[Brian Bishop]

But I got In Between Days by the Cure. If you listen, I don't even like the Cure.

[Adam Carolla]

Our Internet's down.

[Brian Bishop]

I don't like the Cure, but if you listen to the beginning of that song, you'll go, this is the best 57 seconds of. Of an intro to. To just about any 80s, especially pop song.

[Gina Grad]

You know what I think is nice, but a confusing intro to a song that really doesn't vibe with the actual song at all. The mandolin brunch quartet of the Maggie May intro. Rod Stewart.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, yeah, I like that one.

[Gina Grad]

Yeah, it's just. It's an odd. It's an odd intro for that song.

[Dawson]

Tesla did it with Love Song.

[Adam Carolla]

Let's keep talking about songs we can't hear.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, sorry. Google it. Internet is down. All right, I want to thank this half of the show. Brought to you by myomeigo.com betonline ag@enter podcast1 Castrol Edge as well. Titanium strong from Maxim. Engine support, everybody. All right, Hot sausage talk. I have a thing, and you guys tell me what you think of this and I'll let you know. But I have this thing where when I tell somebody I want something or I want them to do something, I really mean it. I really mean it. Like, it happens a lot where I tell someone to do something and they go, yeah, well, I did something else and it drives me nuts. It drives me God damn nuts. It's not even that they're bad people. It's just like. What I do is I don't give people the full picture. I give them just a little snapshot because that's all they need.

[Gina Grad]

Yeah, they need to know that.

[Brian Bishop]

You know what I mean? It's like they're coming into a war room. We're standing around a big paper mache Normandy and I'm pushing around Higgins crafts and landing troop transporters and tanks and stuff like that. And someone rushes in the room and they go, do we need more dirigibles with cables on them to stop us from being bombarded? And I go, no. And then they run out. But when they run out, I don't explain to them why. I just go, no to this or I want this or I don't want that. And then they just go do it. And little Things that'll drive you insane, which is. And you guys tell me, first world problem. But still, I was out driving the last Rolex Historics I've driven, Newman's 300 ZX85 GT1 championship car, blah, blah, blah. The car worked pretty good the whole race. And then at the very end for the feature race on, like, in the afternoon On Saturday, about six laps in OR4, the clutch started just going. It was like. Like the clutch pedal was like. It was just flapping in the wind. It had no pressure. It was leaking out. It was.

[Adam Carolla]

Did you not shift gear, or is this harder?

[Brian Bishop]

You can shift gears in that car because of the kind of transmission it has without the clutch. You have to kind of get the RPMs right and just pop it in and pop it back in. But the grinding gears. Yeah, I do that anyway, those. Are those the kind of transmissions those race cars have. They just kind of work that way. But at a certain point, I don't know, Max Patta. Maybe it was lap five or something. We got, like, a full course yellow, and everyone had to slow down and get behind the pace car or something like that. And the car wasn't really drivable at the low speeds because the clutch wouldn't work. And at that point, we'd stopped racing, and the adrenaline kind of simmered down. And then it was like. It was like. It was like saying that could be the equivalent to you kind of rolling your ankle or something in the middle of a basketball game. And you're just playing. You're still playing. You're hobbling down the court. You're running on the court. And then at some point, there's a whistle. You get off the court, and you're standing there, and you're like, I think I should go to the locker room now. I'm not going back out.

[Gina Grad]

You don't have that stage health.

[Brian Bishop]

Yes. And so the full course yellow came out.

[Adam Carolla]

You understand? But we do have a audio, actually.

[Brian Bishop]

We stopped. So I pulled off and then I pulled. The clutch wouldn't work. It's fine. We had a good weekend. And then we brought the car back, and the guy, Sean, my mechanic's, like, something's wrong. Throw it bearing, slave cylinder, blah, blah, blah. And I said, yeah, yeah, I know, I know. It's broke. And we brought it back, back. And I wasn't due to drive that car for a long time. I mean, those cars, you could not drive for 10 years or whatever. There was no event coming up or whatever. And I didn't want the Car all taken apart and then just sitting. I knew there was something wrong with it, but it still looked. Was intact, you know, it looked fine. It's kind of a static thing, inner workings, right. So I just said, hey, Sean, don't touch it. We'll figure it out at a later date. Just park. And the next day I came back and he dropped the transmission. And I'm like, oh, why'd we take the transmission out? It's like, well, I want to fix that slave cylinder or throw it bearing. And I was like, oh, okay. So can we just fix it with the transmission back? He's like, nah, we got to take the engine out now. I'm in this weird, no man's land of you're going to take the engine and the transmission out of this car that I didn't want you to touch.

[Gina Grad]

Quite the opposite.

[Adam Carolla]

Why didn't you want it touched?

[Gina Grad]

So it's not all cinematic?

[Brian Bishop]

Because now it is. Here's what it is. I didn't want him spending a week fixing a car I wasn't driving. I want to move on to the next thing. Then when the cars are sort of in static mode, this sort of display mode, I want the engine out and the transmission out. I just. I knew, you know, you just. You put a little piece of tape on the dash, it says slave cylinder. And, you know, you got to fix it before you go out again. But I didn't want it all taken apart and. But once he dropped the tranny, now the only thing to do. Sorry, I just slobbered on myself. Was to crap Guy loves. Only thing to do is now we got to pull the engine, and I don't want to pull the engine, so. And I also don't want to put the tranny back in now, either. So now the car's just parked with no transmission, transmissions up on a shelf, and it looks weird because there's no stick shift coming through it.

[Gina Grad]

Best of both worlds.

[Brian Bishop]

Sean's a good guy, but he's like, I wanted to get it ready for the next one. I'm like, I don't know what the next one. There is no next one for that car. But anyway, he didn't do what I told him to do. And it drives me nuts. And I just say people. I say to them, quick things, I go, here, do this, do that, and then I leave. And a lot of people go, I know that's what you said, but I want to get this car ready for the next whatever. And my thing is, like, you may state that to me. Right now or later on, but you have to state it. Sure. But anyway, now back to the hot kielbasa talk. So I guess it was about 12:30 or 1:00 o' clock here yesterday. On Friday, I should say.

[Adam Carolla]

On my way out, I do remember hearing something about sausage.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah.

[Gina Grad]

Were you talking about continental?

[Brian Bishop]

I don't.

[Gina Grad]

The continental. The sausage place.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't eat lunch.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know what it's called.

[Brian Bishop]

I don't know what it's called.

[Adam Carolla]

I've never been there.

[Brian Bishop]

I don't know what it's called.

[Adam Carolla]

We always just call it the sausage.

[Gina Grad]

Oh, got you.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, I don't eat lunch here and I also kind of don't eat lunch ever since I talked to a few people about it. The thing is, put some heavy cream or pat of butter in your coffee and see if you can make it to dinner time. So I tend not to eat lunch. But I was here and Kaylin's like, we're going to the sausage place. And I'm like, oh, that's the place where I buy the sauerkraut and the kielbasa and everything. And he's like, yeah. I'm like, oh, they have like sandwiches and lunch, you know, it's like, oh, yeah, they got good sausage sandwiches. So I was like, oh, okay, let's see. Vinnie approved. I don't want a sausage sandwich. Vinnie wouldn't go for that.

[Adam Carolla]

But sausage, salt, sauerkraut would be good.

[Brian Bishop]

That's exactly right. I said, give me. Give me one kielbasa and some sauerkraut.

[Adam Carolla]

Doubled the mustard.

[Brian Bishop]

That's right. And a bunch of brown mustard. And Ken said, okay. And then I went in and did a podcast and I came out. I had sort of multiple podcasts to do yesterday or Friday. And I came out and I was like, okay, where's that sausage? And then it's in the fridge. And I said, okay. And I went to the fridge and it was wrapped in white paper. And then I opened it up and it was just an uncorked cooked sausage. Although the kielbasa comes cooked, but it's a cold, you know, from the. From the delicate.

[Gina Grad]

It's been rendered.

[Brian Bishop]

And I said, what is this? And they said, raw sausages.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm like, that's a real downer. That's a real letdown.

[Brian Bishop]

You got a. You wanted a kielbasa and some sauerkraut. I said, yeah, but I wanted to. I wanted to eat the kielbasa. Now you guys are going on a lunch run. I'm not bringing it home. Now, let me tell you something, people you can't judge in a blah, blah, blah and profile. I study patterns all day long. There's no such thing as rich whitey. Adam Carolla going, go to the German sausage place and buy me one kielbasa so I can take it home and cook it for dinner, share it with the family. I go there and buy 10 kielbasa or 8 kielbasa I buy in bulk.

[Adam Carolla]

Plan.

[Brian Bishop]

I'm going there and buy that. I'm going there and buying it for maybe multiple use or multiple nights or whatever. So the first things first. The one, give me one kielbasa. That should set off. Here's what I'm saying. In life, there are thresholds where you have to stop things that make you

[Gina Grad]

go, hmm, thank you.

[Brian Bishop]

I see the Internet doesn't work. No, I mean, when you go, hey, I'm going to buy kielbasa. I'm going on a lunch run. Here's what I'm saying. Saying, this is for Emmy. But here's how you construct things in life. You go, I'm going on a lunch run. Okay, so I'm gonna go get a bunch of kielbasa sandwiches. The boss man ordered a kielbasa. But wait a minute. There's two versions of that. There's the one from the cold one from the deli tray, and then there's the cooked one they put in the sandwich or the hot one they put in the sandwich. Now, which one does he want? Because we're at a little crossroads here. Because they have both. Well, he said, get me one. Then there is. Then there is. What's everyone else doing? Because no one else is shopping. Everyone else is on ordering lunch. So it's lunch for five people. But one of those people has sent you on a shopping. Although I didn't send you on a shopping. They went on a lunch run. I added to that list. Why would my thing be not like the other? That's number one. Like, I don't know, Max, Pata, how many people went on a lunch run? How many people did we order for? But the point is, is if you're going and one of these things is not like the other, that's a chance to stop.

[Adam Carolla]

But knowing you, if it was to go, if it was like, I'm having this for dinner, you would have said, have them wrap it up, you know, put it in tin foil or whatever. I'll bring it home for dinner. I would have said on the off chance. Which you probably wouldn't have said, well,

[Brian Bishop]

I Would have said, buy five of them. Now, remember, this is a long drive home. This is cooked versus uncooked, or to be technical, sort of ready to consume heated, boiled, whatever versus cold and whatever. So the one could have been it, the other. Then you have to think, well, what are the potential drawbacks? Like, what if I did show up with a hot one and he wanted to eat it tonight at home?

[Gina Grad]

Still be fine.

[Brian Bishop]

Still be. So that one would work the other way. Doesn't really work unless we got a boiling pot here somewhere. So that's another thing. If it's coin toss in time, and that's stop. And now you gotta examine.

[Adam Carolla]

One works both ways, the other one

[Brian Bishop]

doesn't quite work either way, right? So anyway, Emmy felt bad that he didn't get me the right form of the sausage. And I then did part number two, which is, when I tell you I want something, I mean it. But when I tell you I don't want something, I also mean it. Like people. I have these conversations all the time with people where you can tell. I just talked to Peter, young buck Peter, who's working at my house, and I was just like, hey, you want to work tomorrow? And he's like, maybe. Well, half day. And I'm like, I don't care. You work half day, full day, double time, no time. Just tell me your answer. I'm not really. I'm not kicking tired. I'm just. You can tell me whatever you wavy Shay. I don't feel like I want to smoke pot and lay on a futon. I'll go, fine. That's all I'm asking. But I feel like people. Emmy felt bad. So Emmy said, well, let's cook the one you got. And I said, no, no, no. I got to do another podcast immediately. And then I'm leaving. And I don't eat lunch most time anyway. It's just someone was going on a run to a sausage place, and I said, no, it's fine. We're good. I'll just take it home. Home, and I'm out of here. And then I went and did my second podcast. And then when I walked out of the studio about 4 o', clock, I was presented with a new kielbasa that said cooked on it.

[Gina Grad]

Trying to make it fully labeled.

[Brian Bishop]

Now I'm in a weird position where I have to yell at people I don't want to yell at, because I'm saying, look, here's. There's two things I don't want. I don't want. Poor guy on his own time. Or his own dime or his own whatever. To go back to the sausage place and get me a sausage. He has a name, number one.

[Gina Grad]

I know.

[Brian Bishop]

Mr. Poor Guy. I don't want any people that make less than a lot of money doing things out of their own pocket. I don't want to or I don't want to pay somebody to do something. I don't want them to do that. They already did. So either way, I announced, we're good. I know you feel bad. I'm fine. Moving on. Moving on. And then he presented me with a cooked sausage or one that said cooked sausage, which. Which is sweet. I didn't want it. But I'm also driving home now. I'm not gonna stay here and eat lunch. It's now after 4pm I'm gonna go home and eat dinner. And then I got home, and I opened the cooked sausage, and I went, this doesn't look cooked. And then I looked at the one that was uncooked, and I went, oh, I think they're exactly the same. And then I yelled at Olga, get all. You see any difference between these two sausages? I pulled my dork out and put it in the middle. No, but when you do police lineup, you have to get the one. You have to get the janitor to stand out there too. They can't all just be criminal, right?

[Gina Grad]

Sure.

[Brian Bishop]

You get the janitor to pull the stick out.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Which of these sausages?

[Brian Bishop]

Well, then I realized maybe Emmy, in the language, the person behind the counter at that place is pretty German, I think. And maybe the cook sausage. Huh.

[Gina Grad]

There's an ESL situation at that place.

[Narrator/Expert]

Emmy said the person's age Asian.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, Asian. Even worse. I mean. Oh. So when you say to that person, I need a cooked kielbasa, maybe in their world, they're all cooked.

[Gina Grad]

Right?

[Brian Bishop]

Not the version.

[Adam Carolla]

Raw and cooked are just the two different.

[Brian Bishop]

Right. But there's a picture of it. I'll show you guys. The exact same. It's the exact same kielbasa.

[Gina Grad]

There is no way to tell which one's.

[Brian Bishop]

They're Both were just cold and the exact same.

[Adam Carolla]

Adam's dork is on the right.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. So anyway, I think they just gave you a check. I mean, one's marginally bigger, but I think that's pretty random. And I don't know which one is which, but they're both cold. And that was my. That was my kielbasa odyssey from yesterday.

[Gina Grad]

That'll show you to get lunch.

[Brian Bishop]

Emmy, what were you thinking? You're thinking, let's right this kielbasa wrong. I did want to write that, but I did feel bad. So that's why I got you a cooked kielbasa. And I do want to say that I told the guy, I asked the guy three times, it's cooked right.

[Adam Carolla]

How many times Cooked right.

[Brian Bishop]

Three times. Three times, fool. Yeah, but you're saying when he cooked right now, he means hot. I mean, he doesn't mean hot. You mean hot. He mean he's hearing cook.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Not raw.

[Brian Bishop]

Anyway.

[Adam Carolla]

No, that's Emmy.

[Brian Bishop]

No reason to right any wrongs. And so listen, everyone, in the future, when I wave it off and go, don't. Don't buy bother. I mean it. Don't bother.

[Gina Grad]

I think the rest of us are so used to passive aggressive people, it's like, you know what? Don't bother. Just don't bother. That does not mean don't bother. Right? I just.

[Tucker Carlson]

Forget it.

[Gina Grad]

You actually mean. No, forget it. Please, for the love of God, forget it.

[Brian Bishop]

No, I mean, obviously, when you're with a woman and you go, your birthday's Wednesday, you want. Oh, no, no, we don't have to do anything. We're good. That's absolutely. 1,000% does not mean we're good.

[Gina Grad]

I just had that conversation.

[Brian Bishop]

If I tell you we're good, we're good.

[Adam Carolla]

Are you good? Yeah.

[Gina Grad]

You know what? I'm just not in the mood. We got too much going on. I'm not in the mood. Come on, Gina. May 1st is gonna roll.

[Adam Carolla]

You know what?

[Gina Grad]

I'm good.

[Adam Carolla]

That means big flowers, chef's table.

[Brian Bishop]

It's a better world when people just go, yeah, we're going out for lasagna. And when you're done, you're gonna eat my pussy. Get that? It's a better word. World. It'd be a better world instead of like, oh, I don't know, pretty tired.

[Gina Grad]

I do feel like that right now. But I know he's right. When it rolls around, be like, oh,

[Brian Bishop]

we didn't do anything.

[Narrator/Expert]

And you do love lasagna.

[Brian Bishop]

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[Adam Carolla]

Did you see the Clippers big comeback the other night? They came back 31 points.

[Brian Bishop]

31 points.

[Adam Carolla]

Speaking of which, if you're doing in game betting which you can do like you can and bet during the game, if you would, they probably, I wasn't following it on, on, on the website, but if they probably offered odds that were like 10,000 to 1, like their clippers to win when they were down by 30 points.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh yeah, I heard it was like 0.001 chance of winning this couple bucks on that.

[Adam Carolla]

You would have worked out pretty well.

[Brian Bishop]

I know. Also Clippers, what's up with the uniforms? Like I was passing the TV and there was, they were up on the TV and Sonny's like, I'm like, who's, who's playing sec? Who's playing the kids or the. Yeah, Warriors. Warriors. He was playing the warriors and he's like clippers. And I'm like, that's Clippers of their own. Black with a thing and whatever. So knock it off.

[Adam Carolla]

10,000 probably plus 10,000.

[Brian Bishop]

Anyway, let's not sit on the sidelines anymore. Don't Forget promo code podcast1 or you can text BET now to 238669 for 50%. Welcome Bonus BetOnline AG your online sportsbook Bonus experts. Okay, so we got the Rotten Tomatoes game, but then I talk so much about sausage at the top. I think we should eat some sausage, do the Rotten Tomatoes game tomorrow. That's what I think. And I think we should take a quick break and we should come back. And so let me explain to everyone formatically, we're a little bit shaken up today because we're going to do the news next. Tucker Carlson, who was in last week, I had about a 45, 50 minute sit down with him. I know there's a fair amount of you that are going f that guy. I'm not listening. He talked a lot, mainly about his childhood and sort of life experience. And I thought it was pretty revealing and made him very human. Now, I know a lot of you aren't interested in somebody being human. That's something you should question. Now you shouldn't question the part of you that goes, I disagree with this person or I think he's a big mouth or I think he's hateful or I think he's a bigot, or I think he's anything you want to think he is or anybody is, including people you work with or people in your neighborhood or whatever. You shouldn't be adverse to thinking that person thinks this way. But if you don't want to discover their humanity now, you're close minded Right.

[Adam Carolla]

If it prevents you from digging further or exposing yourself to another side of someone.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. I mean, I think everyone gets kind of dug in in their ideas, and they have thoughts about immigration, have thoughts about taxes. They have thoughts about family. They have thoughts about crime. They have thoughts about government. They have thoughts about schooling. Okay, fine, you shouldn't be too dug in to any of that, but okay, have thoughts about it, but don't be dug in on the humanity of whoever's making the argument that really. That puts you into a box, and it's really hard to see out of it.

[Gina Grad]

Well, it makes you just as bad as the person you claim to hate. Nobody will see.

[Brian Bishop]

Nobody will see a person like a version of it. So what I'm saying is, you may disagree with everything that comes out of Tucker Carlson's mouth, but you can still be open to his human humanity. That's his story, and that's what I'm saying. We should all sort of. Sort of be that. Sort of be that way. And I think. I think you end up being happy. I'm not doing it for Tucker on Tucker's behalf.

[Gina Grad]

Everybody knows Tucker's story.

[Brian Bishop]

Yes. I think it ends up making you a little better and a little more relaxed.

[Narrator/Expert]

I never really listened to Tucker do

[Adam Carolla]

anything where Tucker Carlson's involved, but I

[Brian Bishop]

was sitting behind the glass for that interview, and I loved all of it.

[Adam Carolla]

Unsubscribe.

[Brian Bishop]

All right, we will take a break. We'll come right back. We'll do the news after this. Give me the news with Grat. News with Geno Grad.

[Jimmy Bruska]

Breaking viral. All those crazy Trump tweets.

[Brian Bishop]

Give me news with Gina Grad.

[Jimmy Bruska]

Trouble in the Middle East, Celebrity drunk meltdown.

[Brian Bishop]

CEO. News with Gina.

[Adam Carolla]

Gina.

[Dawson]

The news with Gina grad.

[Gina Grad]

So the BBC reports that U.S. scientists say they used HIV to make a gene therapy that cured eight infants of basically bubble boy disease. Kids that have to be, you know, contained, like John Travolta.

[Adam Carolla]

It's like immunotherapy.

[Gina Grad]

Exactly. In a. In literally a lot of promise for cancer, too, in casing of a child their entire life. And frankly, they don't tend to live very long. They don't have functional immune systems, and, you know, it takes forever and all these different ways to protect them. And this is very interesting. So untreated babies have. They have to live in these sterile conditions. They tend to die as infants. But the gene therapy involved collecting the new baby's bone marrow and correcting the gene defect in their DNA has happened soon after birth. The correct gene, like I said was inserted into an altered version of hiv. Researchers said most of the babies were discharged from the hospital a month later.

[Adam Carolla]

Didn't you, Adam, bring in the clip from whatever it was, 20, 20 or 60 minutes or something about immunotherapy, you know, retraining, whatever it was, typhus or HIV or something. I thought you brought that up.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, it sounds familiar. I think what we're learning, you know, we learned a valuable lesson in a movie starring John Wayne from 1970. Honda 69. No. Hell Fighters. Hell Fighters. He played. Oh, he played Red Adair. Red Adair. I haven't thought about this in a long time.

[Adam Carolla]

Let's call him Fred Astaire.

[Brian Bishop]

No. Is it Red Adair? I think the guy's name was famous. Almost as famous as JJ Arms. The Texas missing his arms. Red Adair. His claim to fame is he got rich putting out oil well fires. There was a lot of. In Texas and whatever in the 60s, 50s or whatever. Imagine those wells would go up and they just shoot flames 100ft into the air, and someone had to put them out. And the way to put. So you think, like, how do you put those wells out? At least watching Hellfighters with John Wayne

[Adam Carolla]

put a trash can load on top. Aids re injected with hiv.

[Brian Bishop]

You have to get a male flight attendant who's got aids, and you stuff his ass right into that hole.

[Adam Carolla]

Hello, Southwest? It's an emergency.

[Brian Bishop]

No, no, but back to this. You blow it up. You don't put water on it. You blow it out. Like you take a stick. Stick of dynamite and just boom, blow that thing out of there. And in a way, I'm starting to realize that our physiology is kind of that way. Like, you go, oh, I have this or I have that. You don't go, oh, well, let's see if we can fix it with a bunch of talcum powder. You go, no, let's get something even nastier. Fight Fighter and introduce that. And then that'll go after. Is a Hell Fighters kind of way.

[Adam Carolla]

Suicide Squad, right.

[Brian Bishop]

We're not putting it out with baking soda. We're putting it out with dynamite. And I think our bodies are kind of that way.

[Gina Grad]

It's starting to look that way.

[Adam Carolla]

Wasn't that the Dirty Dozen? Weren't they criminals who were. I'm messing up the plot.

[Brian Bishop]

No, they. Well, Red Adair wasn't a criminal. You need criminals to do the criminals.

[Adam Carolla]

The bad guys to do the bad guys.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, yeah, they were guys that were in the. They were in the military prison and they freed him up and it was great. It's like Jim Brown. Of course, it's 1943. Jim Brown. Black guy, okay. An all white brigade, like, okay, now listen, you got to make it across that bridge. It's almost 100 yards. You got to make it in 8.7 seconds. Good news. Showing him running like, I don't know, whoever wrote that, gotta go. Look, all right, Max Bana, Reddit dare sit in there. And we don't have an Internet, but people have a phone.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, Hellfighters 1968 and John Wayne played Chance Buck.

[Gina Grad]

That name's even better.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, there's no Red Adair anywhere. Yeah, we'll put in Red Adair and then you'll see who the movie was made after. They probably didn't use his name because they didn't want to license it or pay for it.

[Adam Carolla]

Hey, Special Ed, who's your favorite dancer from the 50s?

[Brian Bishop]

Chance.

[Gina Grad]

Editor.

[Brian Bishop]

Editor Chance Buckman. All right, sorry.

[Gina Grad]

Where were you so real quick? I just remember this, talking about immune systems and bodies and whatever. Have you seen the trailer for the upcoming HBO series Chernobyl?

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, no.

[Gina Grad]

Because I watched it last night. It's like five minutes long. And my first thought was, well, now we're really never getting nuclear power back.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, no.

[Gina Grad]

This trailer is so traumatizing and so disturbing that my only thought was, well, if we thought it was off the table before, after people see this, it's never coming back.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, you know, the thing about Chernobyl, people, We have this weird thing, which is we need tons of energy all the time. And if it ever goes out in your house for more than 15 minutes, we're RIP shit mad like, this is bullshit. We're upset. So we just need tons and tons of energy all day, every day. Could be your car. Oh, well, I got an electric car. Okay, you need an electric car, you gotta charge that car. Every light, every blender, every TV set, heat and air. Like, we need energy, energy, energy, energy all day. And then here are the rules. Nobody can ever die. And we can never have any negative side effects of all this energy that comes around. But if it's cold, well, we don't like coal. But a lot of people can die, but who cares? And we have this kind of. We don't like the hydroelectric dams because the fish die, but we still need tons and tons of energy all the time. Chernobyl, Chernobyl. I'm pulling a couple numbers out of my ass, but I'll bet you Chernobyl was built for sure in the 60s and it was Built by the Soviet Union.

[Adam Carolla]

Only on a day when the Internet's out do you make wild claims.

[Brian Bishop]

It was old bad Soviet stuff. It wasn't the stuff they're building in Norway or Europe now with triple safety redundancies and all that kind of stuff. It was, it was 60s era. I mean if you look at it could have been late 50s era, but you look at a car from the late 50s, early 60s, it is not full of airbags and crumple zones and all the kind of stuff we have now. And if you look at a Soviet car, there's really not. So it's like there's a piece of junk that Soviets building, they don't care about their people. They'll put people around it or send people in or whatever is my feeling is more like, what about all the ones that's been running in France for 40 years, just quietly making clean electricity?

[Gina Grad]

Well, and after I saw the trailer, it's so crazy that I started just wikiing. Everything kind of went down a Chernobyl rabbit hole. But first of all, apparently that meltdown was caused by a test. It's not like it just something caught fire. They were messing with it to see what happened. And I read this because this to your point.

[Brian Bishop]

Point.

[Gina Grad]

They moved everybody out of that area as soon as possible. And pollution wise, they said most of the residents would have been better off now that they have a compromised immune system, they would have been better off staying there than being moved to Kiev where there was so much pollution. They all died early anyway.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, I don't Soviet like come on.

[Gina Grad]

And that's not black and white.

[Brian Bishop]

But that's just crazy to me. Yeah. Anyway, Hellfighters loosely based on Red Adair. Oh, yep. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

After.

[Brian Bishop]

He was generally known in 1962 after extinguishing a Sahara desert gas well fire

[Narrator/Expert]

called the Devil's cigarette lighter.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, that's good.

[Gina Grad]

Well, speaking of fire, Adam, you and that crystal brain strike again. Officials investigating the fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris believe it was an electrical short circuit that was likely the cause.

[Brian Bishop]

Makes sense.

[Gina Grad]

People were talking about, you know, and I even said, because that's what I'd read, that it was probably, probably scaffolding and renovation induced. But no. Although the official claim was that and that it's still not confirmed. Information gathered from interviews of 40 people at the 850 year old Landmark Point to an electrical short.

[Brian Bishop]

Scaffolding is just a way to work in an elevated environment. There's no mechanical, it's metal and they don't really the planks that go across are oftentimes wood, but they don't. There's no reason a scaffolding would cause a fire.

[Gina Grad]

Well, investigators are said to be focusing on the temporary elevators being used during the renovation, but again, nothing's confirmed yet. They're still trying to figure this out.

[Brian Bishop]

In Japan, their scaffolding is bamboo. It's awesome.

[Gina Grad]

Is it really?

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, it's awesome because bamboo is super light and it's super strong and super flexible. And I love the notion of having a bunch of nice nothing hold so much. Makes sense.

[Gina Grad]

Probably looks good too.

[Brian Bishop]

Mm.

[Gina Grad]

So you know how sometimes people keep things as pets when they shouldn't?

[Brian Bishop]

Yes.

[Gina Grad]

It happened again. A man was killed and a woman was critically injured after they were attacked by their pet deer that was on their rural property in Australia. According to Fox News, the animal described as a cross between a red deer and an elk had been kept for six years as a pet. 46 year old Paul McDonald went out to feed it. You know, everything was fine. And then he got brutally attacked.

[Brian Bishop]

Let me tell you something about Anthony animals. They're like these non domesticated animals. They're basically like 15 year old goth kids who hate their stepdad and listen to too much Dio just looking for a reason. Look, they may be fine or they may shoot up to school the next day. We have no idea. I'm just saying, do you want to live with that? No, I don't want to live with that because they make. And also, also they go years of just being fine and then one day they're not fine. And that's when they show up to school in the duster. So my thing is like, let's get that off the table. Any of these animals, anything with big teeth or big antlers and a super small brain, not interested or able to squeeze the life out of you. Yeah, this is how it works. You have a pet snake for eight years, a pet snake is fine. And then one day you wake up and it's on top of of you. But that's the way snakes work.

[Gina Grad]

Yeah, but I think we should blame viral videos like the Dodo or whatever that site is that shows like a lion reuniting with his trainer 20 years later and it's hugging him. There's way too many of those videos and people like it way too much.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, it's funny. We graft all this stuff onto everything around us all the time. So we graft things on. As humans, we should do less grafting. Like when you're driving, when you're driving on the freeway and somebody cuts you off, you go, oh, that asshole wants to take a run at me. It's like that guy was looking at his phone and trying to find his off ramp. He was looking at his Garmin or his ways or something and was telling him, he doesn't even know you're alive. And, like, when the squirrel comes up, like, oh, he's curious. He wants to know.

[Adam Carolla]

Be friends.

[Brian Bishop]

He wants to be friends with the dog or whatever it is. Yeah, he's melancholy because. Because Sex in the City's off the

[Gina Grad]

air, and it's like he's contemplative.

[Brian Bishop]

Look at him, thinking about the world. Oh, man, I blame my parents, too.

[Gina Grad]

He's in an existential crisis, right?

[Brian Bishop]

No, he's not. All right. She pretty bummed out about the old Trump administration thing. I get it.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm blind. I've never. An acorn.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. No, he doesn't know. He's a dumb little thing who wants to eat or fuck or something or bite or whatever it is. Stop doing that with the pets. Stop doing it with people. Stop grafting. You know, good and bad, they're just not.

[Gina Grad]

They're wild.

[Brian Bishop]

They're just not. I mean, you know, it happens all the time where, like, Phil will look at you certain ways. Like, he'll just look at you like, come on now. Or whatever. And you look at him and your eyes are. And you go, oh. He's thinking. He understands where I'm coming from. Whatever. It's like, no, he doesn't. He's just looking. He's just looking. I'm grafting that onto him.

[Gina Grad]

Big, glistening eyes. And you're like, he sees into my soul.

[Brian Bishop]

I know. Look, you want something, but I'm holding. Emmy brought a third uncooked kielbas over to the house that night. And Phil wants a shot at him, you know. Sorry. Yeah, just don't graft. Stop grafting, everybody.

[Gina Grad]

Yeah. And then you'll stay alive. Well, Demi Moore is ready to tell all about her relationships with her former husbands. Bruce Willis, Ashton Kutcher. The actress is going to publish a memoir titled Inside Out. It's described as deeply candid and insightful.

[Brian Bishop]

All right, so last week, we were sitting here and we were kind of talking about the Robert Kraft pud pulling sex tape. And we're like, I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't wanna go into that side of the pool. I think it's an invasion of privacy. I was saying this 20 years ago. Brian May, remember when we're talking about Tommy Lee and Pam Anderson, stuff like that. I was like, I'm not. That's their tape. That's not for me.

[Adam Carolla]

I was too busy watching the tapes.

[Brian Bishop]

Right. But I'm not interested. I feel like I am kind of part of the problem if I go indulge myself in that.

[Gina Grad]

I mean, she is writing it. It's not being released against her will.

[Brian Bishop]

She's writing it. But I don't know what Ashton and Bruce feel about it. But bigger picture, how much of this should be interesting to you in your life? I know it's tittling. Our initial impulse is like, oh, boy, I wonder what kind of funky shit Bruce was into in the bedroom or whatever it was. But then after the initial buzz of that, shouldn't we all just go, that's got nothing to do with my kids or my family or. Or my livelihood or whatever.

[Adam Carolla]

Who really wants to read this whole thing? Yes.

[Gina Grad]

That being said, I did do a little digging because I was curious about something and I didn't.

[Adam Carolla]

Hard enough Chernobyl to be. More time.

[Gina Grad]

Do you know who Freddie Moore is?

[Brian Bishop]

Freddie Moore? The guy put out oil Derek fires back in the 60s.

[Gina Grad]

Freddie Chance Buckman Moore. I hadn't heard of him, but I was just, you know, they gave a few excerpts. I was like, who's Freddie Moore? And I guess that's where she got her. Like, apparently she married him when she was 16.

[Brian Bishop]

Did you know that? Yes. I saw a Behind the Music or behind the. You know, one of those. Behind AJ Benz host or whatever, you know, from way back in the day. And I saw one on her, and I had no idea she was married to this musician who had straightish dishwater, kind of blonde and like round glasses or something. And it was like a few years older.

[Gina Grad]

He was 29.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, more than a few years older. Real Sonny and Cher moment here. And he was just this dude that, like, I just remember his kind of look. Skinny, straight blonde hair and, like, round German scientist glasses.

[Gina Grad]

Yeah. So they got married when she. Just a few months later, when she technically turned 17. I think they were divorced when she was 23. But that. That is something I did not know.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, you're a little bit older than I am, Adam. But Demi Moore was at her peak when I was younger, at my peak, you know what I'm saying? When I was becoming a man, she pulled off the short haircut quite well.

[Brian Bishop]

Quite well. Yeah. In terms of the aesthetic, for me, I think she had a boob job and she may have had a Nose job. I don't know. But definitely a boob job.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm thinking ghost. Ish. You know, a Few Good Men era.

[Gina Grad]

You don't remember one Crazy summer? John Cusack.

[Brian Bishop]

And I never got it. I never got got. I have the same relationship with her as I have with the cast of Friends. The female cast of Friends. I just. I get it. Everyone's attractive. But as long as we're doing, like, look, as long as we're talking about cars we'll never own. You know what I mean? Like. Like, you guys. You guys are fantasizing a lot about a Datsun 370Z. And it's like, I'm going to the Ferrari 599. And you're like, well, what about that Z? It's like, like, all right, but you're not gonna own that car. But that car is $51,000, and this one's 275. And I'll go with the 599. I'll fantasize about that as long as we're never dating, right? Or touching each other. So, yeah, Damian never let into it, but did she need money? I don't know. She's gonna get money now.

[Adam Carolla]

She was one of the highest paid actresses in Hollywood, maybe the highest paid. At some point, she could have gone

[Brian Bishop]

through a lot of money. Did she or.

[Gina Grad]

No, that's Courtney Cox. She said friends, and I got confused.

[Brian Bishop]

What do you think the advance is on a book like this?

[Gina Grad]

They said it was seven figures.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, yeah, it's definitely seven figures. But the question is, I don't know. I mean, you could be. I think Obama's got, like, $66 million, I think, for two books or something like that. I don't know. But it's. We're talking. Oh, I mean, we're talking five plus.

[Gina Grad]

And for that kind of money, you're gonna have to really throw a couple people under the bus.

[Brian Bishop]

And also gotta earn that. Look, maybe I'm flying in my own face here in terms of my life morality, but if you read it in that book, it's true. Because as a guy's written a few books, you get on the phone with that lawyer, and if you said, hey, Bruce Willis, he had a sex swing, and we had it up in the bedroom and blah, blah, blah, and you did not have a sex swing, and Bruce Willis did not buy one and did not install one in your bedroom, he is going to sue you. And they need to know he won't sue you if you did.

[Gina Grad]

He won't like it.

[Brian Bishop]

He may, but he's probably not. Because his people go, he can't win. But whatever it is, if you're talking about his affairs or the sex swing or Ashton bringing a third girl into the bedroom and blah, blah, blah, blah. Second girl in the bedroom and third person. Sorry.

[Gina Grad]

Or girl.

[Brian Bishop]

Or a girl. Either way, if none of that happened, you're gonna get sued. So you have to verify it all 100%.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. You know what a great example that is? Is when Jose Canseco wrote that book, Juiced. Remember all the guys that did steroids. Everyone was like, oh, how dare I sue you? Where are the lawsuits? It's all true. It's 100% true.

[Brian Bishop]

First off, it's whenever they get super specific. Like, he's like a rod wanted an injection, but he didn't know how to do it. You know? So into the bathroom stall and he dropped his drawers. But he was worried about blah, blah, blah. You go, okay, the really super specific stuff. And again. Yeah. Cry all you want and say, oh, this guy's nuts. He's insane. This is all the rantings of a lunatic. Okay? Now sue him.

[Adam Carolla]

File a lawsuit.

[Brian Bishop]

It's free. Yeah. No one ever does. And that's how it works. Yeah, I totally agree with us. All right, let me tell you about Castrolette. Stronger under pressure. Engines can lose up to 10% of performance. Performance due to friction. Castrol Edge with fluid. Titanium transforms under pressure. Keep the metal parts from rubbing and robbing power from one another. Three times. Three times, fool. Stronger than leading. Full synthetic against viscosity breakdown. Castrol Edge formulated in ways to exceed the toughest industry standards. All right, Gino, what else?

[Gina Grad]

Give me a. How many more you want?

[Brian Bishop]

Three.

[Gina Grad]

Okay, you got it. Well, Lori Laughlin learned last week that her tax returns will be audited by the irs. And insider said she's being audited for five years on personal income taxes. Along with three years of Mossimo's business. The college admissions scam featured a donation to the charity. So now, of course, they're opening the books.

[Adam Carolla]

Careful what you wish for, folks.

[Gina Grad]

Yep. Looking into the donations,

[Brian Bishop]

I've said it once that a million times. Is it really? Why bother being rich anymore? Like, screw it. I've always said the day you get arrested for bribery, it's off. It's not worth it. The best part about the whole point, Frank Sinatra. Look at Goodfellas. The greatest part of that life is showing up at the Copa. And it's like, we're sold out. This way, sir. You shake his hand, they Pull it. That's why you get rich. That's why at those. Now you just have a target on your back and blah, blah, blah. Like I was answering somebody's tweet there. They're like, you're rich. And I said, listen, I said, on Friday, I said, I'm getting on a Southwest flight. I'm going to San Francisco to work, do four shows. I'm gonna sit next to Mike August on a Southwest flight, and we're gonna share a sack of trail mix.

[Adam Carolla]

Have myselfer enough.

[Brian Bishop]

I'm not rich. My wife and kids are rich. I'm not rich. I'm getting on a Southwest flight.

[Tucker Carlson]

Fly.

[Adam Carolla]

You're not living the rich life, flying

[Brian Bishop]

and going to work. And it's. Frankly, it's not even worth it anymore. If you can't bribe people or have people snuffed out, forget it.

[Gina Grad]

What's the point?

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, what's the point?

[Gina Grad]

Well, speaking of Target, the Department of justice mailed their daughter Olivia Jade, a target letter, and she's become a subject of the Operation the Varsity of Blues investigation. So now the kids are getting these target letters, which means they're not being charged with stuff, but now they're more on the radar. And I didn't know. I didn't know this about Massimo Giannulli, but as a funny sort of USC connection, her father and Lori Loughlin's husband.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Not funny.

[Gina Grad]

Thanks. According to the Hundreds blog site, Mossimo faked his way through USC in a different way. He had been reporting that during his college days in the 80s, he dropped out and he didn't tell his parents. So for three more years, he kept collecting the tuition money from his parents and used it to launch his business.

[Brian Bishop]

Smart.

[Gina Grad]

Yeah, that's an entrepreneur.

[Brian Bishop]

And then paid a kajillion dollars in taxes.

[Gina Grad]

The end.

[Brian Bishop]

The end. Well, I don't know. I don't gotta shake everyone down. All right, look, people should pay their taxes, don't get me wrong. But this notion of, like, oh, we gotta go. I don't know, it's super easy being me. I just have a ledger. And now on that ledger are people that are contributing to this rock soup we're all making called society. And those are just ladling out. Out that thing into their bowl. And if you're ladling it into your bowl, I got a problem with you. And if you're contributing, I don't have a problem. And the notion of. But how much are you contributing? That's a factor, but I'm really focused on the ones that are just Taking it out of the bowl, out of the big crock pot. Right. That's where I'd like to focus. We as a society want to focus on the people that are contributing the carrots and the diced up, cubed up beef or whatever it is you're putting it in. And we're like, yeah, but how much are you putting in and what rate are you putting in? And my thing is, I like to keep an eye on that, but I'd like to keep an eye on the folks who are just taking it out. All right, good point.

[Adam Carolla]

Agreed.

[Brian Bishop]

We don't have an Internet, do we?

[Adam Carolla]

It just came back.

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, it just came back. All right. What percentage of our country doesn't pay federal income tax? Curious about that. I think it's alarmingly high.

[Gina Grad]

Wow. Must be nice. All right, so a London auction house has sold a copy of Harry Potter and the philosopher's stone for $90,000. Because this happens to be a pretty rare copy.

[Adam Carolla]

That's an early, early edition.

[Gina Grad]

Yeah, it's the Sorcerer's Stone by the time. Come over here. Exactly. According to Bonham's auction house, the bottom. The book was a first edition, first printing of the novel that introduced Muggles to Harry and the gang in 1997. It also cites the author as Joanne Rowling, as opposed to J.K. rowling. It's one of about 500 copies that exists. It has certain misspellings and grammatical errors that make it special. And like Brian said, it's called Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. We know it as the Sorcerer's Stone. And it was. It was rare enough to make it sell for almost $100,000.

[Brian Bishop]

Kind of. I don't like this nerd junk. But on the other hand, I love the idea of all this stuff going up because I got some of it. So I'm fine with there being a market.

[Adam Carolla]

You have first edition Harry Potters?

[Narrator/Expert]

Yep.

[Adam Carolla]

I knew you were a Potterhead.

[Gina Grad]

I've never seen the movie. I've never read the book.

[Brian Bishop]

No, I've never seen any of that.

[Gina Grad]

I like the idea of it. I just never got around to it.

[Adam Carolla]

I've seen all the movies. They're good. They're fine for a certain generation. That's their Star wars, that's Star Trek. That's huge for them.

[Brian Bishop]

More than 44%.

[Gina Grad]

What?

[Brian Bishop]

Of Americans. So more than 44. Let's just say word, about half. If it's more than 40%, pay no federal income taxes. It's 44.4, but it's 44% how do

[Gina Grad]

we get it on that?

[Brian Bishop]

I don't know, but I'd like to start looking into what's going on on that end of the ledger. And a little lesson to my. But that's me.

[Gina Grad]

Well, she also got booted from When Calls the Heart on Lifetime.

[Brian Bishop]

You know, it's funny when people tweet me and go, I know you have this joke about getting more because you pay more. I go, I'm not. But I know you're not serious. And I go, I'm absolutely serious. And they go, what? And I go, look to the universe. Forget about this country. We'll go into every other country, and

[Dawson]

we'll go to the universe.

[Brian Bishop]

Universe. What other system works this way? What other system other than the government taking your money? Whatever system works where you pay a million, you pay 10,000. We get the same. It doesn't exist. So this notion that what I'm thinking is insane. I'm pushing it right back on you and trying to find another system, and I kind of mean it. I wouldn't mind if we could find an example of where. Where somebody just paid or put in or did whatever to a much greater extent than another and didn't receive more than the other. Anyway. Everyone always thinks I'm a douche when I say that, but communist, that's kind of my. I also realize that we got Tucker Carlson coming up. Tucker Carlson can't say that, because he did. Even though he grew up without his mom, he grew up. Grew up with privilege. And most people, or many people that are in that position, have that sort of guilt of the past. I don't have any of that, so I just say dumb things that anger everybody. All right, let's do one more.

[Gina Grad]

All right. Well, just because you're married, even if you're super, super happily married, it doesn't mean you should give up your friendships. A new study out of the University of Texas found that when couples had issues in their relationships and having friends to turn to makes a big difference

[Brian Bishop]

in your health, who are the people that choose to go through life without friends? I'm so. I find it fascinating. Like, I realize, like, my dad and my mom really don't have friends, per se, or they didn't. You know, they had some a little bit and this and that, but not really. I had friends, man, because I needed my friends to survive. I needed to eat at their house and sleep over at their house.

[Gina Grad]

Not emotionally.

[Brian Bishop]

I'd spent a lot of time with them, and all the things I got to do that sounded like Something like going skiing. I went skiing with Jeff Buck's family, going motorcycle riding. I went dirt riding with Chris Bohm's family. All these kinds of things I just did with other people's families. But there are people that just 68 year old dudes that just don't have any friends. Friends. It's counterintuitive to me. Why wouldn't you do that? And my God, can friends help? I mean, everyone thinks in terms of like, oh, well, your friends, that's good for bowling or going to a movie or talking if you have a problem or something like that. Friends can make your career. Friends can completely alter your course. I mean, friends, relationships with whatever we're calling them can take what you're doing and push it in a positive direction. That's the likes of you couldn't even imagine. Yeah, I don't get why.

[Gina Grad]

Anecdotally I've noticed it's much more of a male thing. Because I'm lucky, I know at this age to have this many girlfriends and this many friends, it's not normal. I'm very lucky. I really do feel that way. But a lot of the girls in my friend group, there's like a tight 10 or 11 of us and if they get a new boyfriend or something,

[Adam Carolla]

the 12th one, just tear all the

[Gina Grad]

cheek whenever there's a new boyfriend that comes in. He doesn't really. We don't meet anyone in his life. He's now in our friend group and we do our best to, you know, embrace everyone and get to know him, but they don't. The guys, in my experience, tend not to bring their own sort of people with them.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, guys are a little more solo. Whatever, they go, they're wired that way. They go the garage, they wrench around on the car all Saturday, whatever. But I just think I have seen firsthand, going back to my poverty, when I look at my parents, their inability to network, their inability to find their version of a Jimmy Kimmel when they're young and go, hey, this guy's going somewhere or that guy's going somewhere, or, you know, I, I mean, it's like I met Jimmy Kimmel. Jimmy and Kimmel and I became great friends. We were friends and we sort of, we would collaborate as well. And then we went to the weenie roast and I saw Jon Stewart.

[Adam Carolla]

Stewart on a bus.

[Brian Bishop]

We're friends with Jon Stewart and yeah. And then Jon Stewart was with Daniel Kelison and then Daniel Kelison was like, oh, hey. And then Jimmy's like, you Work for Letterman. And then we're all friends and then we made a bunch of money.

[Adam Carolla]

And you were. You're 30 or close to it at that point, right?

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, I was 30.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, there you go. It's funny, cuz, adjacent to this, we had Derek from TMZ in here and he, you know, our daughter's in the same class and he's like, I have enough friends. I didn't make any more friends. I'm like, you do. It's a shitty way to go through life.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, okay, well, I get the ones your kids. Sometimes your kids step in and track it home. Sonny, Natasha, parents, friends. I mean, friends, parents. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Definitely not saying that about you.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, I'm sure. So there is that thing every once in a while where you have to kind of deal with people. But now. But that's not you going and finding Jimmy or Daniel or Jon Stewart or whoever it is. All right, let's see. Let me hit one and we'll do one more. Ah, trains very dangerous. They take over a mile to stop. And you don't want to be caught in the cross traffic of that train, do you, man? So if the signal is going and the train's not there yet and you feel tempted to sneak across the tracks, don't ever do that. Trains are going fast. They're moving faster than you expect. They sort of look like, I'm not going that fast. I could make it. No, you can't. And by the way, you ain't going to be injured. You're going to be taken out if you make contact with it. Train. So let's just slow your roll. Sit behind that arm. Mind those blinking red lights. I don't want to ball you up into a chunk of metal that Red Adair would have to put out himself.

[Gina Grad]

You mean Chance Buckman.

[Brian Bishop]

Chance Buckman. So if the signals are on, the train's on its way. So just remember one thing. Stop. Because the trains can't stop. Thank you, and let's be safe, people. All right, one more.

[Gina Grad]

Well, the Houston Astros are facing a lawsuit alleging the team mascot Orbit fired a T shirt cannon during the game last season and broke a woman's finger. According to Fox News, Jennifer Hardy claimed in the lawsuit that Orbit shattered her left index finger during a July game when a T shirt fired from a bazooka style canyon in the stands hit her finger, claiming that the fracture required two surgeries. She claims her finger remains locked in an extended position with little to no range of motion. She wants a million bucks. The team not caving to this, they said in a statement they are aware of the lawsuit and the allegations against Orbit, but they say, quote, we do not agree with the allegations. The Astros will continue to use fan popular T shirt launchers during games. As this is an ongoing legal matter, we have no further comment.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, the only way you could break your finger with this is if it was. If it's fired up. If it's fired directly at you at a short distance, that's one. But I'm sure what happened here is she fired it up to the second deck. She's leaning over, like, trying to grab for it.

[Narrator/Expert]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I would indicate that she was trying to catch it.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. Screw her.

[Gina Grad]

Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

That's. Shit happens, bitch.

[Gina Grad]

With all the news that we're always talking about, why does everybody cave? Why does everybody settle? Why does the Astros say, no, it's not our fault. We use T shirt cams all the time. Everybody's fine.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, also, this is like Furby shooting a T shirt. So this isn't one of those, like, I've been around companies, everyone's been around this thing where it's like, you're being accused of race discrimination and employment. Whatever. Nabisco goes, I don't. We don't want any of that. We don't want any of that. And then someone will go, why? We didn't do anything wrong. You go, yeah, but we don't want this Dragon public. So this one is not salacious. This doesn't have any of those elements.

[Gina Grad]

Maybe.

[Brian Bishop]

So we don't.

[Gina Grad]

Maybe it's because of her race.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah.

[Gina Grad]

Broke her finger.

[Brian Bishop]

We don't have to do it. We don't.

[Tucker Carlson]

We don't.

[Brian Bishop]

They. They. As a company, you have to bite on this stuff. If it involves race or sexual discrimination, any form of oppression, discrimination, any of that kind of stuff, you better jump on it. If not, they don't care.

[Gina Grad]

Screw you and your finger.

[Brian Bishop]

Screw them in your finger. Yeah. Take that finger. Put it where the sun don't shine, missy.

[Adam Carolla]

Straighten it out.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. All right. Let's bring it home.

[Gina Grad]

You got it. I'm Gina Grad, and that's the news.

[Brian Bishop]

We're going out for lasagna, and when you're done, you're gonna eat my pussy. Gina. Gina.

[Dawson]

That was the. With Gina Grad.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. Be more forthcoming, Gina. You owe it to your man.

[Gina Grad]

I will. I really, truly did feel like we were so exhausted. Let's just forget it this year. But I think he's right. I think that day's gonna roll around. I'd be bummed Lasagna.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, say what you want.

[Gina Grad]

I think you're right. We'll go for it.

[Brian Bishop]

You know, it strikes me that a lot of people, when they go like, oh, don't worry about me, and you go, okay, sounds like a plan. And then they go. And then they go, what? And they're putting themselves into that position.

[Gina Grad]

Of course they are.

[Brian Bishop]

And you shouldn't do that. If you want to do something, do it. And if you don't, don't. And if you want kilbas, be more specific. Yeah. All right. Sacramento Thunder Valley Resort and Casino coming up this Friday. I'll be there. Why shouldn't I work every weekend? Right, Max Pata.

[Adam Carolla]

That's right.

[Brian Bishop]

Casino bucks, baby. Oh, we're going out, man. We're eating baby piles and brea improv coming up May 17th and 18th. That'll be. Well, at least be able to sleep in my own bed. And Tucker Carlson coming up, I should tell you guys, also, Adam Carolla goes racing new season on Vero. Check that out and get it at Vero co ace. Is that correct? Okay. And I love that you guys are enjoying my special not Taco Bell material. And that's a chassis, two S's and a Y and Amazon and itunes and all that. Give it a nice rate. I enjoy reading them. So Tucker Carlson coming up next. Until next time, Sam Crow for Gina Grad and Ball Bryan. No, we do it at the end of that one. Yeah. All right. So enjoy Tucker Carlson as you probably never heard him. Next. Well, our old friend Tucker Carlson is back in studio. Good to see you, Tucker.

[Tucker Carlson]

Thanks for having me.

[Brian Bishop]

My pleasure. The show, obviously, Tucker CARLSON Tonight, which is weeknights, 8:00pm Eastern, by the way, seated at 5:00 out here in California, at least on Fox News, in the book Ship of Fools as well, how a selfish ruling class is bringing America, America, to the brink of revolution. And that's available on Amazon or wherever you find better books. So I had this notion, Tucker, and we'll see how this works. And then you tell me what you think. But I have this thing in life which is I'm very friendly with you and I'm friendly with Dennis Prager and I'm friendly with Jimmy Kimmel and I'm friendly with many people with many different political opinions. And my take on these guys are they're all good people and they have great, they're great family people that you'd love. You'd love Jimmy Kimmel to be your neighbor and you'd love Dennis Prager to be Your neighbor as well. Not so much, Tucker. Cause when the angry mob shows up at the house, you have to shut the lights and pretend you're not home.

[Tucker Carlson]

My neighbors do that.

[Brian Bishop]

But. But my thing is, you would be happy as hell to share a drink, a beer with Jimmy Kimmel or a cigar with Dennis Prager. I'm not sure why there's this crazy chasm between folks that could check a box. If there was a laundry list of boxes to check that were 50 long, they would each check the same 44 boxes, and there'd be about 60 of them that might differ, but all the other ones would be checked. Why is there this chasm? And it's sort of. I understand we have bad wiring as a civilization sometimes, and there's a mob mentality, but my thought when Tucker Carlson was coming in here today was, I know Tucker Carlson is a really sweet guy, and then I hear what people claim you are. And you've probably heard a few of those claims as well. Well, and I thought, why don't we get to know Tucker Carlson the individual and Tucker Carlson at 15 and Tucker Carlson at 23 and less Tucker Carlson and what's going on with the Mueller report or at the southern border.

[Tucker Carlson]

I agree with that. And by the way, I agree more broadly with what you said about having friends who you disagree with on whatever trade policy or God knows what, some political issue. It doesn't make them not your friends. And I've. My whole life had friends and still do. Some of my closest friends who I disagree with, I have children I disagree with. Do you know what I mean? It doesn't end the relationship. I think this whole way of looking at the world through an exclusively political lens is a bad idea. It's a dead end.

[Brian Bishop]

Not only that, but it's kind of. You want to talk about the rich pageantry of life that they're everything from race cars to hummingbirds to waterfalls to the experiences you could have in life. And the notion that we're gonna take the most divisive kind of uncomfortable nuts and bolts and numbers and whatever part of life. Politics, we're saying politics. The most frustrating part of all that is life is politics. You know, taking a hike in Maui is not frustrating. And driving a race car is not frustrating. It's exhilarating. And paragliding is exhilarating. Wrestling with your kids, throwing the football to your son, going out to dinner with your family. But the idea that we take this thing known as politics, the most frustrating, because it by nature's frustrating. It can Be. No, it can't be anything but frustrating. And the notion that we take that and we go, all right, I'm gonna make that 89% of my life. That's an insane.

[Tucker Carlson]

It's a recipe for unhappiness and over time for mental illness. I mean, my whole week is structured around getting my head away from politics for a sufficient amount of time every day that I don't go crazy doing a show about politics, if you know what I mean. You have to make yourself. And I do make myself. I would say fishing every single day last week in the Potomac river with my fly rod. Every single day. I got up early to do it because I couldn't stand the idea of sitting at a desk, staring at a screen or texting about politics all day would make me into a really bad person, worse than I already am.

[Brian Bishop]

But it's a siren song and, and it'll lure you into the rocky shadows.

[Tucker Carlson]

But it's by design, it's by look for the same look. I smoke Marlboro Reds for many years, and as a cab driver once said to me when I was a kid, he goes, yeah, they put something in these, you know what I mean? Like there's something about a Marlboro Red. It's not the same as a Winston or a Parliament or a Benson and Hedges. Like it's better. And that's why it's the most popular cigarette in the world. And I thought, you know, that's true. And it turned out, of course to be true. There was a formula designed to make it hibernate and overtime addictive. These debates are taking place for a reason. When was the last time you heard a sincere debate about our tax code? Why is it that you as a working man pay literally twice the rate of someone who inherited money and is living off the interest? I mean, that's a fair look. Maybe there's a good reason for that. But it blows my mind that that's not the top topic of 50% of our debates. Cuz it's at least that important. That's never discussed. Instead we talk about gender and race and other things that are irresolvable. Not that interesting, actually don't get us anywhere and are guaranteed to make us hate each other for life. The worst possible topics for debate. And I think I'm not a conspiracy nut, but I think if I'm benefiting from a screwed up tax code, I would rather people debate transgender bathrooms than debate the tax code because I'm lose that debate ultimately. That's what I think I think it's true.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. I mean, there's an element of jingling the keys over here and drawing everyone's attention, and it always. It's confounding because the whole thing about race. Well, first off, if there's anything that's not changeable, it's the color of your skin or your gender. So, although we're getting a little more fluid in the gender department. But by and large, if you're a woman or you're black or you're Hispanic or you're male, whatever you are, you're just that, you know. So this notion that we're going to start our attack based on something that's not changeable is kind of a weird approach. Like, it's. If you were a basketball coach and you wanted to win, you'd start talking about handling the ball, hand going to your left, moving the ball, fundamentals, pick plays, boxing out, all the basketball stuff. But you wouldn't yell at all your point guards to get taller.

[Tucker Carlson]

No, no, you wouldn't, because that would

[Brian Bishop]

be a waste of your time. It'd be a waste of the porn. It'd be wasted the school's time be waste of everyone who wanted to win. It would get you no closer to winning because it's not really changeable. And if every time someone started talking about your record or points or three pointers or whatever, and you just kept going back to the height of the point guard cards, you would never have any progress in the discussion.

[Tucker Carlson]

So maybe if you kept doing that over time, it would be fair to conclude that you're not really interested in winning, you have another objective.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, if you think about it and you realize that if you want to take that sort of analogy, and then we're going right into Tucker's formative years, because that's what I want to talk about. But if you say said you're talking about black America and you said, look, it's oppressive racism and it's the Jim Crow pass and it's everything else. And it's basically talking about the height of the point guard, which is slavery, Jim Crow, the society as we knew it in the 50s or societies we knew it in 1850 or 1950. Unchangeable. It's unchangeable. It's no more changeable than the outcome of World War II. It's just. It's utterly unchangeable. So 911 is unchangeable. World War I is the sinking of the Lusitania. These things are all unchangeable baked in the Cake. Right. So now we could focus on what we could do moving forward to make things better for a community. But if you want to keep going back, we'll never fix anything moving forward. And that's kind of the argument of the coach that's in power. His job is to not get fired, not win, just not get fired. And I think if your job is to stay in place, keep hammering checks and keep a status quo, then that's your argument.

[Tucker Carlson]

And that is. It's funny you mentioned it. That is in fact their argument.

[Brian Bishop]

Right. Okay. So Tucker, Young. Tucker. Tucker grows up out here in Southern California, right?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yep.

[Brian Bishop]

Where do you grow up? Is it Encino?

[Tucker Carlson]

No, I lived here when I was little in Studio City.

[Brian Bishop]

Studio City. It was sort of a town and a half of over from Encino. So that's right around my neck of the woods.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah. So right on. Right. Basically at the. It's on the valley side of Laurel Canyon above Dupars. Remember Dupars?

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, Dupars, the restaurant. Right.

[Tucker Carlson]

And Buddy's Toys on Ventura. And that's. I grew up right over that back

[Brian Bishop]

when they had pack. When there was something magical about entering a toy store.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah. Do you remember Buddy's?

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, I do. It was the place we weren't allowed to go.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah. Burned down in 1975 and I went to the fire. I never will forget it.

[Brian Bishop]

See, our kids go on the Internet and look at stuff on Amazon, but they don't get the smell of entering Buddy's store.

[Tucker Carlson]

Exactly.

[Brian Bishop]

And then all the forbidden fruit behind the counter, like in the glass display, like the expensive locomotive tray.

[Tucker Carlson]

Totally.

[Brian Bishop]

Exactly like that. Looking at the really cool, detailed stuff that they could pull out for you, but only if you were a serious player. Exactly. So you grew up in Studio City and up above Dupars.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah, on Laurel Terrace up there. And then in 1976, when I was six years old, about to turn seven, my parents got divorced and I moved and my mother left the country and I moved with my dad and my brother to La Jolla. And this happened at basically the same time that he got fired from ABC here in la, where he was an anchor.

[Brian Bishop]

So you guys were up in. For people that are listening around the country, sort of the house from Boogie Nights kind of area when they went to Alfred Molina's house and the kid was throwing the firecrackers. That was kind of up there.

[Tucker Carlson]

The Eagles lived right down the street. Yes.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

Just to give you some sense of where we lived.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. So your mom leaves the country. That's unique.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah, we felt so at the time. But actually, no, it was not unique. It was not even unusual, really. I mean, she, I think, had to find herself or whatever.

[Brian Bishop]

What country did she go to?

[Tucker Carlson]

She went to France.

[Brian Bishop]

Did she have any connection to France?

[Tucker Carlson]

You know, I don't. Honestly. I mean, the truth is I don't really know because I never saw her again.

[Brian Bishop]

But that is, you know, I'm putting on my Loveline hat here because I've talked to a lot of people and I was sort of estranged from my mom as well. So I kind of identify with this, which is. I've said to Dr. Drew many times, when a father abandons the family, it's sort of of. It's a lot of biology. It's a lot like, I want to move to Florida and bang a cocktail waitress. So I'll send you teddy bear.

[Tucker Carlson]

Exactly.

[Brian Bishop]

For Christmas. And meanwhile, I want you to. I want to introduce you to my lady friend. Exactly. You know, and there's a lot of that. But I said, when a woman leaves the family, there's something going on deeply psychologically with the woman. So your mom must have been going through something very profound.

[Tucker Carlson]

And I mean, she was a drug and alcohol person is the truth of it. And she had a completely bizarre life. To the extent I know much about it. I don't really know a ton about it. She died seven years ago, so she left when I was six and she died when I was, let's see, 44, 43. So, you know, almost 40 years.

[Brian Bishop]

And never.

[Tucker Carlson]

No. Never talked to her?

[Brian Bishop]

Never a word.

[Tucker Carlson]

No. And so my aunt called me when she died. She lived on a farm in the Pyrenees, I guess I've never been there. My brother and I were her only heirs. She'd been married a couple of times. She was married to David Hockney's boyfriend for quite some time. A little strange. Yeah. A guy called Mo McDermott. I don't know whatever it was. Totally. And she herself was a sculptor, a. Apparently I'm not an expert on her life and I've meant to go back and learn something about it, but I just have such a busy life myself and I haven't.

[Brian Bishop]

Is there. So there's a fair. There's some parallels here. Although my mom never left Valley Village.

[Tucker Carlson]

Is she still alive?

[Brian Bishop]

She's still alive. And much of what I've learned, I've learned a lot from. From people that inspire me and are out creating and doing super positive things. But I've probably learned more from people that are fuck up.

[Tucker Carlson]

Oh, for sure.

[Brian Bishop]

Are you kidding?

[Tucker Carlson]

I've learned every. By the way, I've learned nothing from succeeding myself. Not one thing. Success tells you nothing other than keep doing what you're doing, kid. Which is terrible advice. Always.

[Brian Bishop]

Right.

[Tucker Carlson]

Only failure teaches you. And other people's failures are just remarkable temporary templates for avoiding disaster.

[Brian Bishop]

So I think you and I seem to share this set of values, mindset, default setting, whatever you want to call it, which is we don't have time for the fluff pie in the sky sort of artist kind of nonsense, hippie, flower power, whatever. Because we realize it's all just veiled. It's. It's all depression and substance abuse failed in this free to be you and me kind of thing. Like, I discovered that as well for my mind, but you have to grow

[Tucker Carlson]

up around it to know that. And I don't think I've ever quite put it as well as you just did, but. That's right. It's all a cover actually, for what's really sad. It's like, it's A lot of this stuff is a nicer way of saying I'm like a sad drunk with a blow problem. No one wants to hear that. So it's like, no, really, I'm an artist and oh, it's very common, complicated. It's actually not complicated. You're shit faced every day there's something complicated about that. And until you stop, it's not getting better.

[Brian Bishop]

Okay. And also I found this from my own mother and experiences. And I think you guys now see it out on the streets at the protests or college campuses just below the veneer of it's all good vibes and you can't judge and we're all just made and our creator's likeness or mother nature, it's all about earth and nature and holding hands. And Kumbaya is an unfettered rage, a crazed rage that as a matter of fact, the whole reason we're getting this good vibes and we'll put the daisies in the barrels of the rifles is because just below it is this simmering rage.

[Tucker Carlson]

Exactly.

[Brian Bishop]

And, and you see it, it's funny, you'll see a manifestation of it. You'll see these liberal college professors, female, like, oh, they're wearing a hemp sweater that they knitted themselves and they just left a drum circle and they're eating granola from a hand thrown pottery jar or something. And then the second you crack that veneer, they start screaming like get some back, get some muscle in here. Get these guys out. It's like, where Are you. Where did the crazed rage come from?

[Tucker Carlson]

I'll tell you where it comes from. It comes from their unsatisfying personal lives, from their absent or alcoholic fathers, from their. I mean, they're all mad at their dads.

[Brian Bishop]

They're all mad at their dads. Everybody. Everyone who's mad at the system, everyone who's mad at the government, everyone's mad at Uncle Sam is mad at their dad 100%.

[Patrick Dempsey]

That's the thing.

[Tucker Carlson]

I love my dad. I've always loved my dad. For all the problems I've had in my life, most of them that I've created myself and some that I didn't. The one thing I've had is a really good father. So I never. One of the reasons I never talk about my childhood is because actually, I had a great childhood. It's just. It was weird, but it was great.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, I'm fascinated. So the mom. The situation with the mom is, in my humble opinion, your dad did everything he could to make that mountain into a molehill.

[Tucker Carlson]

Totally. And not only a molehill, but like, actually a super fun ski hill. Like, we had a great time, but

[Brian Bishop]

there's still an element of a son being abandoned by his mom that is sort of there. I don't know that you think about it every day. I don't know if it affects you. I just know from a sort of psychodynamic way. Way it's kind of there. Right. I mean, did you.

[Tucker Carlson]

Well, I mean, I bitterly hated her, if that's what you're. Yeah, yeah. She didn't like us. And she was, you know. I mean, I'm leaving some stuff out. I'm not whining. I'm just saying, like, this stuff doesn't. It's never as simple as you. As you. As your memory suggested, is.

[Brian Bishop]

No.

[Tucker Carlson]

I mean, no, she was not a good mom. And cruel. And you can just imagine, or just trust me, she was. And so. And she was cruel to my brother, which is the thing that, if I'm being honest, really upsets me most. I have. My younger brother's my best friend. He's a year and a half younger than I am, lives walking distance from me in Washington. And in fact, he's coming out to L. A. I'm having dinner with him tomorrow night. But, you know, he. Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

So anyway, whatever.

[Tucker Carlson]

I'm not going to get into it. But the point is she, you know, was not a good mother. And so, yeah, on some level, I was mad about it. But what I was so struck by, though. Okay, here's what I learned from it. So all these years she's gone. I don't know what happened to her. I don't know where she is. I ran into one of my cousins when I went to boarding school on the east coast and one of my cousins was there. I didn't even know we were cousins. That's part of the result of having a screwed up family is you run into relatives you didn't know you had. And so he tells me, oh, yeah, your mother's in France or in Europe somewhere. Oh, really? Okay. So I say to my wife, I get married really young. I get married at 22, in part because I found the perfect woman to marry, in part because I thought I want to create like a really happy, stable, big family, like I didn't have. And I want to be a normal parent. And I just want. You know what I mean? I think it's pretty normal, right? But I always said to my wife, for 25 years, I said, the one thing I'm worried about is when I get a call from someone saying they found your mother's body. Or are you related to so and so is this your mother? And you know, I said, I know someday that's going to happen. I have no idea where she is. God knows what she's doing, but someday she will die. And I said, I'm really worried that I'm going to, like, melt down and it's going to wreck my life and this whole facade that I've built over the years of like, normal person living normal life will just implode. And she always said, no, that's not true. And she was right, actually, when it actually happened. And my aunt from the Grass Valley here, who runs an organic mutton farm, who I don't really know, but thinks she grows a little weed too. Very nice. She calls me and she's like, your mother's dying of lung cancer. Cancer in France. And I was like, my mother, you know, because my dad got remarried. And I think if my stepmother is my mother, I mean, I love her so much. So, no, she goes, no, your mother. And she named her. What the hell is she doing in France? She lives there. Why does she have lung cancer? Because she never stops smoking and they don't treat lung cancer in France. So she's dying. You need to go visit her. I was like, really? I don't even know. I don't even know her. What? And then she died. I think the next day I was able to, like, by the end of the week, I was like, yeah. You know, people die. It didn't really affect me. I actually. And I think the lesson is, if you live like a normal. If you just pretend to be a normal person long enough, if you pretend that you've conquered your problems over time and just sort of act like, I grew up in a perfectly happy Mormon family in Idaho Falls, if you act like that for 30 years, it becomes true.

[Brian Bishop]

Yes.

[Tucker Carlson]

Do you know what I mean? It's real. I actually am healthier than I used to be because I pretended to be.

[Brian Bishop]

I completely concur. I also share that value. And we have a lot of conflicting messages in our society because there's a lot of people who say, well, come on, that's your blood now. That's your mom. Now, come on, you'll never have another mom. There's a lot of isms that are about, you only have one mom. So true. She brought you into this world. And it's a lot of that. And I have kind of.

[Tucker Carlson]

Peter Stauffer. How do you.

[Brian Bishop]

Did you know that?

[Tucker Carlson]

That's so funny you said that.

[Brian Bishop]

I don't for some reason, because those people.

[Tucker Carlson]

Exactly. It's why I never talk about it with anyone.

[Brian Bishop]

Cause I run into those people, they're hooked on that. And I have the same kind of relationship with my mom, too, which is. I remember one time she got upset at me because we didn't really have a relationship and my parents were estranged and I just grew up on my own. And my mom wasn't involved with my life and any. She didn't move away, but she emotionally moved away. And one time, I think when I was getting married, she found out about it, like, somewhere else. And she said, how come you didn't tell me? She was angry. And I said, mom, I got about 100 people on a list to talk to about things in my life. And then I'll get to you. Like, you're not on. You didn't make the cut. And the reason you didn't make that cut is not because I threw you off the list, is because you never entered the list.

[Tucker Carlson]

Right. You never signed up.

[Brian Bishop]

You didn't sign. And this notion that, oh, yeah, but I'm your mom, but we never interacted well, what's the difference? Now we're just down to pure biology at this point. And I don't. I'm with you. Like, the biology is half of it. And you can do that in a fertility lab. And then the lion's share of it is the nurture and the proximity and the hands on and the Day to day. And I feel like people fall way back on two things, like, hey, come on, I'm your biological, your dad or your mom, like, whatever. And then the other one they do is, I'm not gonna do anything for you. I'm not gonna do homework, I'm not gonna do laundry, I'm not gonna drive you places, I'm not gonna save for college. I'm not gonna do any of those things. But there's great love. And thus I should be respected because there's love. And my being is like, well, look, I don't care how much you love me. If you're not gonna do anything, then you're not gonna get that kind of reciprocation in that department. And I think in a bigger sort of gestalt overall way, I think that you and I have a very merit based approach to life. And people don't like that. People like the warm and fuzzy. But you and I started off in a place where we got to age 18 and went, I don't even like my mom. And the reason I don't like my mom is because she hasn't earned it.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah, she doesn't like me.

[Brian Bishop]

Right. And people go, well, but she's your mom. And you're like, okay, but I'm merit based. I got friends and friends, parents and things who do do things for me. I eat at their house, they take me places, I hang out with them, I sleep over there. I have much more affection for them. And by the way, I feel like I owe them more. So you and I were brought up in this ant farm or this diorama of a semblance of a life, and we got it out of our head early and often, which is nobody is owed anything, but the people who do things are owed something. And those who just were born with titles are owed not nothing.

[Tucker Carlson]

Nothing.

[Brian Bishop]

And then you go, then you take that and you extrapolate it to every facet of life.

[Tucker Carlson]

Exactly.

[Brian Bishop]

And it's this. And then you get back to politics or race relations or whatever. It's like Jesse Jackson, you're black. Yes. You don't get to speak for black people just because you're black.

[Tucker Carlson]

What the hell is that? I totally agree.

[Brian Bishop]

I don't even draw a connection there.

[Tucker Carlson]

I don't either.

[Brian Bishop]

I'd much rather hear someone who had better ideas, who was any color. And you, woman, you don't get to speak for women or you don't know women or we don't need the fire department to represent the neighborhood. That it works. I Just need the best fireman. Of course I want the best fireman. I want the best politician.

[Tucker Carlson]

That's never even been a question to me. And I will say if the effect of all that in my personal life is I have the best friends of anybody I know. I have the most loyal, time tested, smartest friends who are the most trusted, trustworthy. Like literally, I shot three people in a drug related murder spree. And they're like, here's the fake passport, I'm chartering you a plane to Belize. Don't even ask questions. That kind of friendship, because all I care about is what people do and about the merit of it. They're my friends because they're great, loyal, true people.

[Brian Bishop]

But I wonder if the genesis of the that for you and for me is the estrangement from your mother. Of course the mother represents the. You can do no wrong. She'll always be your mom. There's this thing, there's this sort of pie in the sky.

[Tucker Carlson]

Mom.

[Brian Bishop]

It's mom. So you and I had that crushed early and often. And then we got insanely pragmatic and we went, well, if my buddy Chris Bohm's my mom is making pork chops, then she's doing much more for me than Chris Carolla's doing. So I'm gonna go over there and by the way, when it comes time to reward somebody, she should get the acolyte.

[Tucker Carlson]

That's how I feel. That's exactly how I feel. And also, and I will say the upside, I mean, I try and think in my own life in terms of upsides because you can't control it. So why would you marinate in the sadness? I try not. I really try not to. But one thing I learned is that luxury is not that interesting. Being babied is bad. I don't like. Do you know what I mean? My whole life I've tried to think, like, would I be okay if I had nothing? I've actually gotten pretty rich just by accident, basically, in my life because I work in TV much richer than I make over 100 grand a year. I never thought I would, and I do. But I always think at least once a week, I think, If I made 15 grand a year, would I be okay? And I always say, absolutely. You know why? Because I keep my desires and my needs really muted. If I can, I don't want. And I think it's just because the way I grew up, and I grew up in an affluent world, for sure. I'm not saying I grew up poor. I did not But I grew up in a world where nobody was, like, making my bed and telling me, you know, it's okay, boo boo, you're going to be. I mean, there was just none of that. There was no babying whatsoever because I didn't have a mom when I was little.

[Brian Bishop]

I'm so interested in this. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll come back, we'll do a few more minutes with Tucker. He has to go to the west side and do his show. But I am so enthralled with this because I have so many thoughts. All right, quick break. Right back with Tucker Carlson.

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[Brian Bishop]

So, Tucker, the interesting thing I've, I've sort of found is when I hear you speak, I've always felt this sort of sympatical feeling. And obviously you're very pragmatic and I'm pragmatic. So obviously I Like people that are pragmatic. But I'm now drilling down on sort of the genesis of what that relationship is I have when I watch you on tv, which is this absent mom thing, and you go, well, so what? You had an absent mom, and you had an absent moment. But it does. It's global. And the reason it's global is. And something we're talking about right before the break. And it's almost like I can't speak fast enough because I have so many thoughts in my head. You know, when your mom abandons you early on in life, you will not be taken care of.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

You are in charge of you. And you came from some money, and that helps spackle over some of the stuff. And I didn't come from any money, which is sort of lose, lose, because we can throw a little money at these problems and get some of them to go away, but spiritually, you realize you're alone. Like when the person who's most connected to you in life, your mom, says, I'm outta here, or, I don't care about you. Well, then why should anyone, Anybody care about you? I mean, you're doing the math at eight and a half, going, my mom doesn't care about me. Why should anybody care about me? I mean, they're not my mom, and my mom doesn't care. So thus, I should now go through life assuming that everything is up to me, that I don't think people are evil, and I don't think they have it out for me. I just realize they're not gonna do anything. Anything I get will be earned, and I don't expect a thing out of anybody.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah. And I haven't been babied. I mean, I haven't been told that I'm like a great soccer player when I'm not like, nobody. Like my father, who I think is the kindest, warmest person I've ever met and really is and always has been my hero and always will be. But he was never one of those guys who was like, you're amazing. You're great. You're incredible. I mean, that was just not. He didn't show no England. He didn't talk like that. You're amazing. Like, when you climb Everest, it's amazing. It doesn't make you amaz. It was not a lot of sort of hollow praise. It was like, none of that. And that's a huge advantage not to grow up around hollow praise. Hollow praise is bad for you. It makes you insecure because you know it's not true, right? But there was no mom to be like, oh, you're so great.

[Brian Bishop]

None of that. No, but ultimately, I think it shapes you into a better citizen because you don't expect the government to do anything for you. No, your expectation with the government is please stop Korea from nuking Hawaii.

[Tucker Carlson]

Or my employer, by the way. Or my employer. I mean, you see in television, you've worked in this business a long time, you get these people who like, they want the money, okay, great. But what they really want is they want to be petted by their bosses. They want the affirmation of the executives. They need to. Or they go crazy, right? And I just don't feel that way. I like the people I work for. I don't need them to call me and tell me I'm great. Just fulfill the terms of the contract, be nice when we talk. And that's all I want. I just don't need that kind of.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, no, I get it all the time. But it's also an interesting two way street, which is sometimes my wife will say, yeah, but you know, those guys look up to you and a little praise would go a long way. And I, I go, why do they look up to me? They go, because you own the building. And I go, yeah, but who cares? And they go, oh, no, no, it's important to them what you say or what you think of them. And I go, why would that. They come in, they get paid, we have a safe environment, they can eat for free sometimes. And then we go home and they go, yeah, yeah, but you gotta tell them X, Y and Z every once.

[Tucker Carlson]

Wise point that she says that. Do you pay attention to it?

[Brian Bishop]

I do. I realize. And you tell me if this is. I don't want to graph this onto you, but because of my upbringing, I'm like, look, you go to work, you get paid, then you go home and you hang out with your friends. This notion of like you got to be buddies with your boss or you got to have a great environment or whatever that is. I don't know what that is. You go there, you get paid, you go home.

[Tucker Carlson]

The same thing happen to me.

[Brian Bishop]

It'd be nice if people were not like, you know, it'd be nice if people were fair minded and not verbally abusive and whatever. But I worked on construction sites my whole life. Everyone was abusive verbally. I just looked at it as a job, you know, I'm here to get paid. I'm here to tilt up that barn. And then I'll just go home and hang out with people. I want to hang out with. But I think it's important for me, and possibly for you, because of this background Brown, not to be on autopilot.

[Tucker Carlson]

Well, I didn't learn this. I mean, I've always. I like people, so I've never had a problem, you know, getting along with people or being warm with people. What I didn't understand is that people like to be complimented. I never. Because I never got any compliments. Not. And I'm not whining about it. I got a lot of love, a huge amount of love from my dad. Huge love. Every time I talk to him, I love you. He was always very. But he's not a compliment. Complimenter.

[Brian Bishop]

Right.

[Tucker Carlson]

And I was with James Carville, the demented Cajun, who's actually very smart and a very, very close, longtime friend of mine. And he once said to me, we were on a plane. He goes, you know, one thing you should know, I was about 35, 32. And he goes, people like to be complimented. And I said, really? Why? And he goes, they do. Every person wants to be complimented, and you should do that. It cost you nothing, and you shouldn't do it in a fake. But if you think that someone's doing a good job, why wouldn't you say that? And I said, well, I don't know. I just wouldn't. He said, well, you should. And I have. And ever since then, if someone's doing a good job and I remember to say it, I really try to remember. And I do this to my children, too. Good job. Because, like, why wouldn't you?

[Brian Bishop]

Well, it's free. Yes. And you know, you want to. As a guy who owns a business, you have to spend money on coffee and heating and air and things of that nature. This one's free and probably gets you even further down the road than coffee. But yet we do play it close to the vest. And I'm the same way in that I forgot. Like, for instance, you know, people come in and they go, it's Gary's birthday. And I go, okay. They go, what's his birthday? And I go, okay, he's 36. I don't know. Work it out. Or get him an Amazon card or something. Like, to me, birthdays don't even make sense. Just from, like, where I come from, it's like, all right, you were born, and now here we are. And go out with your wife tonight to the TGI Fridays and have a Bloomin Onion. And I'm glad you came in, but it's a weird. So I realized that, like, Easter and birthdays and greeting cards and even, like, anniversaries and things like that, they don't make sense to me. And yet they make sense to other people. And so when someone comes to me and goes, you know, we're coming up on our 2000,000th podcast, I go, okay. They go, well, that's a big deal. And I go, oh, okay, it doesn't make that much sense to me. But if you're hanging around with a bunch of people where the birthday does make a lot of sense and the anniversary makes a lot of sense and all those events that were somewhere between 0 and 1 for us growing up are nines and tens for everyone else, then that's a culture, and that's a language, and you should learn it.

[Tucker Carlson]

Do you think. At what point do you think of your relationship with your mom is, like, unfixable and never gonna be better? And this is what it is.

[Brian Bishop]

She's still alive, and it's always been unfixable, and there really is no fixing. If you think about the idea, like the concept, the jumping off point of a bad movie mom, which is, I have a son that I'm going to ignore, that's sort of the mindset you're dealing with. And now we have to figure out how to fix that. But it's not really fixable, because that mind is not fixable. I mean, that mind can stay out of prison and can get along and can be cordial and have visits with grandkids and things of that next nature, but you don't really turn that around. My wife is over the moon about her kids, and my wife loves her son. He can do no wrong. And she's over the moon about it, and you couldn't. So if you just sort of. Let's reverse engineer this question. I'm gonna take Lynette Carolla, and I'm gonna try to figure out a way to get her to hate Sonny Carolla more. And if the answer is that's impossible, well, then the reverse is impossible.

[Tucker Carlson]

Exactly.

[Brian Bishop]

I have Chris Carolla. She's not much interested in Adam Carolla, but somewhere around her 87th birthday, she's gonna have an awakening. And the answer is no. That's who she is. She comes from a long line of that, I'm sure.

[Tucker Carlson]

Oh, is that true?

[Brian Bishop]

Oh, yeah. Her past is foster care, and she was removed from the house, and it's all a mess. It's all a mess. But let me say this. I am a product of that environment, and I consciously put it in My mind, first off, I'm not going to screw up another batch of kids. That's how I feel. I will not do that. Secondly, I'm going to work on myself. I'm going to work on my career. I'm going to delay gratification. I'm not going to get married and have kids and until I'm good and mentally ready for it. And I don't mean ready. I mean, I did therapy. I was the only guy on a construction site who was going to a therapist's office. Like that Evening, I made $9 an hour and went to a therapist.

[Tucker Carlson]

Did they give you a break?

[Brian Bishop]

No. I even once said to her, her name is Rita. I said, rita, for one of these sessions, one of these 50 minute sessions. It's literally eight hours of work for me on a construction site. I said, how about I come to your house and like, put a deck on or something? Yeah. And we like trade out. And she's like, that'd be inappropriate. I remember her saying, like, you don't want to cross that line. You don't want to come to my house and in the therapeutic process. Because the next thing you know, you're sitting around drinking a fragrance, complaining about the old man or something, and you've now torn down this. It's sort of like, I don't know, you can't go golfing with your football coach and then go back to the field the next day and have order you around. You know, there's notion of, like, I don't know if it's good or bad. I'm just saying in her world, you don't, you know, Julia Roberts doesn't kiss her clients in Pretty Woman.

[Tucker Carlson]

Right.

[Brian Bishop]

She'll sleep with them, but no kissing. That's it. They're crossing line. And so I figured out something was wrong with me. And so my plan was, don't have kids until you can be a reasonable parent, until you're financially ready to do it. And then secondly, you just fake it. It's exactly what you said. I walk into my kid's room and I go, this is an awesome day. Right? Oh, man, this is exciting. I'm so. I'll say to my kids all the time, look, I have plenty of arguments with my wife, but when I talk to my son or my daughter, I go, who would you rather have for a mommy? You got the best mom in the world. That's exactly. How could you have a better mom? You couldn't have a better mom. You know how into you she is. It's crazy. She's the best mom in the world. And then I go into my daughter's room and I say the same thing

[Tucker Carlson]

I say to my kids, if I had a mother like you did, I'd be President of the United States. I mean, it's such a massive advantage. You have no idea what it's like to have a mother like.

[Brian Bishop]

And then I go, look at your 110 pound lab Phil. He's the best dog in the world.

[Tucker Carlson]

Exactly.

[Brian Bishop]

This is the greatest day in the world. Like, let's go out and ride bikes. Let's go, the sun is shining. Let's make some hay. Like, this is awesome. And look, half the time they go, hey, you're blocking the TV set. Hit the bricks. But I literally just fill their head. I mean, I was talking to my son last night. I said, hey, guess who's coming by the shop tomorrow? He's like, who? I said, tucker Carlson. He's like, tucker Carlson, what time? I said, he's coming by at like 11:30. He said, Damn. Then he said, kareem Abdul Jabbar and Tucker Carlson. Wait, I missed them both.

[Tucker Carlson]

You had Kareem Abdul Jabbar here?

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, he's sitting right where you're sitting. We did a Take and Eats a motivational podcast. I do. And my son was like, NBA All Star and Tucker Carlson. I'll miss him. But both. And I said, I'll tell Tucker you said hi.

[Tucker Carlson]

We've met.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, I know, I know. I said, you met at Tucker Prior. He's like, yeah. And it's fake. It. It's just fake. It. Whatever's going on in your head, whatever scars you have, scar tissue you have, or demons in your past, I mean, the mom literally moving out of the country at age 6 as it is potentially socially psychologically devastating as a parent interaction can be. And actually on a much greater scale than dying in a car accident. We all hear this story of, oh, my mom died in a car accident when I was six, or died of breast cancer. And everyone goes, oh, my heart pours out to you. Psychologically, I'm leaving and going to another country and I'll stay there and I'll be alive. I'll just have no contact with you. Is much more damaging, potentially on a psychological level. Yet you chose to put your head down and move forward. And now you act as if, I

[Tucker Carlson]

mean, she was, you know, I'm leaving a lot out. I mean, she was really crazy.

[Brian Bishop]

Let me just put it that way, right?

[Tucker Carlson]

Like, so crazy that my brother and I, in fact, we Never talk about it. But we were talking about it this weekend because. Because of some unbelievable messiness that she left behind legally, which we're still dealing with seven years later.

[Brian Bishop]

I said to my brother, really, only

[Tucker Carlson]

she would do this. She didn't raise us, she was horrible. And then she dies and causes us all these problems. And he goes, it's just perfect. She's a bitch from the grave. But we always say to each other to this day how grateful we are that we didn't have to grow up with her. We're just so thankful.

[Brian Bishop]

Thankful.

[Tucker Carlson]

So we look at it as like a real blessing. And my dad and my stepmom are just like the best people ever. And so I just feel really blessed in that way. But I mean, she was like doing real drugs around us when we were little and getting us to do it and just like being a nutcase, like full blown nutcase.

[Brian Bishop]

Last question. Which I think you've definitely managed to do, which is not internalizing, which is. I'm a big proponent of internalizing. Like, you make it your problem and fix it and don't project, you know, which is sort of what we're talking about in the climate with race and politics and everything else. Like, I'm a gay man, so I have a target on my back. Like, please stop thinking that way and internalize and fix whatever is broken in your life. But when a mother abandons a son, it's very easy for the son to think there's something wrong with me and there's something unlovable about me. And thus she left. That's a lot of kids internalize that. And you and me, to a probably lesser degree, went, no, that person's sick and broken and there's something wrong with them. And it's unfortunate watching it, but it's not a reflection on me being lovable.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah, I mean, that's a conclusion that I've come to. I mean, I turn 50 years old next month. In fact, a month from today. I've had the same wife for 28 years. I have four grown kids who I really get along with well. So, like a lot. I've become a lot healthier. I don't drink, I don't smoke anymore, I don't do drugs. I don't even drink coffee. I'm like a full blown Mormon now. And so I've definitely gotten better. But there were, of course, when you realize your own mother doesn't like you when she says that, it's like, oh, gosh, boo hoo, poor me. Obviously I did Something wrong. I felt all kinds of rage about it. I guess I had all kinds of problems, as I just noted, partying problems and stuff. But ultimately that's just self indulgent. You have to just go with what's real. If it's raining outside and you sit and huff and puff about how it's actually sunny. No, it's raining. It's like she did this. It's her problem, not mine. And you have to make yourself accept that. Otherwise you're just. It's like masturbatory. It really is. It's too indulgent and

[Brian Bishop]

leaves you much less empathetic. When you hear about the college students on Evergreen State who are crying out for that stuff seems.

[Tucker Carlson]

But I feel sorry for them.

[Brian Bishop]

I do too.

[Tucker Carlson]

Because actually, narcissists, Buddhism is agony. Thinking about yourself makes you unhappy. Like liberation. And the Buddhists are totally. I know you're an atheist, but you should think about, well, Buddhism is atheist, I guess, whatever. But they're right. It doesn't matter. They're right. Getting outside yourself. Stop dragging yourself out of Lake me before you drown is the key act of saving yourself. And that's why they're so unhappy, is because they're so narcissistic. What do you think? Feminists are so unhappy. The most narcissistic group I've ever met are feminists. It's always about them. It's sad. They're in hell. I do feel bad for them. I swear to God I feel that way.

[Brian Bishop]

I do. But in a weird way, it's like when a pit bull attacks an infant and then you have to put the pit bull down and then you feel bad about the pit bull but then you realize it was raised by horrible owners and you're this weird rush of emotions of like, I feel I hate her, but I also feel bad cause she's miserable. Exactly. And she probably has a 14 year old girl who hates her gut somewhere at home in a bad relationship. And she finding this. In every facet, every passage of life, she finds some oppression, even if it had nothing to do with her. When she gets a flat tire, she says it's because I'm a woman. Exactly.

[Tucker Carlson]

How'd you like to be here? I wish it on my.

[Brian Bishop]

Tucker Carlson. This has been enlightening. I just had a snapshot when I knew you were coming in. I thought, I want to really focus on the more personal side of Tucker. And man, I'm glad I did. Tucker Carlson Tonight is the show. It's 8pm Eastern on Fox News and it's 5 in the west coast out here and Ship of Fools How a Selfish Ruling Class Is Bringing America to the Brink, Brink of Revolution, available now at Amazon. It's been out since October. It's a great book and you can bookmark us and click through if you like and shoot them a tweet. Uckercarlson so until next time, Adam Krolo for Tucker Carlson saying Mahalo.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, that was Adam Koller show 2556 from 2019. That does it for this weekend's Cruel Classics. Make sure to tune in next weekend for three all new installments. Until then, mahalo.

[Brian Bishop]

And get it on. With verbal care.

[Gina Grad]

Help is always ready before, during and after your stay. We've planned for the plot twists, so

[Brian Bishop]

support is always available because a great

[Patrick Dempsey]

trip starts with peace of Mind.