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From Corolla One studios in Glendale, California, this is the Adam Carolla Show. Adam's guest today, comedian Avi Lieberman and chef Brad Kilgore with Alicia Krause covering the news. And now he's not really a morning person and that he really didn't mourn his parents dying.
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ADAM carolla, yeah, get it on. Got to get it on a church, Remember to get it on. Avi Lieberman is back in studio. He's got a book out called Strange Gigs available now on Amazon. And it's all the different and bizarre places you've played over the years of stand up craziness.
C
30 years of doing stranger gigs all over the world. Yeah. Not only the US But Iraq, Afghanistan, the tour I do in Israel, all the fun stuff, cruise ships, Vegas, anything and everything you can imagine.
A
Well, it'd be a good idea I guess to talk about the stranger gigs for you.
C
Yeah, there's certainly, there's no shortage. Strange doesn't mean bad. By the way, stranger gigs, I'd say some of the more meaningful experiences I've had have been everybody thinks if you're doing, oh, you're a comic, it's always some great club with as you well know, that's not always the case. And some of the more meaningful ones, like the shows I did in Iraq and Afghanistan, those are probably some of the more meaningful gigs I've ever done.
A
Who was the audience in Iraq and Afghanistan?
C
The first one I did Afghanistan, the first base, I would say mostly Marines and then we would shift depending on the base, became like army, different branches. I did that with Butch Bradley who's like a lunatic himself. And I mean that in the most positive of ways. But first show we did was they spread out some chairs, and Butch goes, anybody? We're like, in a rec center, we're doing a show. If you guys want to come and sit down. They're like, yeah, that'd be great. I think, just any taste of home, these guys. But the most meaningful show just to this day, I still remember we became friendly with a pilot out there who worked for Blackwater. And we bump into him and one of the bases in the middle of the tour, and he goes, I'm making a mail run to Farah. It's this base on the Iranian border. Do you want to come? We're like, all right. And we land, and it was a Special Forces compound. And these guys look at us. Who are these two? And Butch jumps in and goes, we're comics. We'll do a show for you if you want. And he gets this look on his face, and he goes one second. And he radios in and calls us over, and they call out these 12 guys, and these are the guys, you know, dressed like plain clothes, you know, special operations guys. And they set up some chairs and a couch, throw us a broomstick and go, here's your mic. The lead pilot's like, I gotta go in 10 minutes. He goes, we'll do five minutes each. And we did that. They laughed. We laughed. They thanked us, we thanked them. You know, I wouldn't trade that experience for any TV appearance. You know, that was one of the more meaningful ones I've done.
A
Yeah, I guess at the end of the day, that's all you really have are those experiences, those stories. And, yeah, you can do another night at the Improv or the Laugh Factory, but it's not going to fall under the heading of a story, good or bad.
C
Yeah, you remember, I think, and I'm sure you've been through this where, like, you get off stage and people come up to you and the compliments and stuff, but there are a few that stick out. And when it's really meaningful like that, I talk about this in the book. One guy, after a show in Iraq, that show was with the late great Scott Kennedy, who passed away, used to run these shows, and it was me and Eddie Gosling, and we did the show, and a guy comes up to us, very matter of fact, and he goes, congratulations, you just saved some lives today. And we were like, what are you talking about? That's what you guys do. And he's like, you don't get it? Do you? Clearly we didn't. And he's like, research shows that soldiers reactions times are that much quicker a split second when they're in better moods.
A
Oh, really?
C
And I was like, you know, who knows? But it was nice of him to say. It's a little much to take in, but things like that are like the tour I do in Israel for the Kobe Mandel Foundation. Some girl comes up to me, the first tour we ever did there, and she goes, I just wanted to thank you. I haven't had anything to laugh about in over a year. Turns around, walks away. You know, those. I remember those. I don't remember the good or the bad comments. After, like, a regular show, an audience will come up to you and say things, whatever it may be. But those things I remember, you know, the hell gigs. Certain chapters I have in my book, I've got. That's one of them. Those are fun. You know, when you're learning, you're coming up and you know it's gonna be an awful gig, but the comics will say, just go do it. It'll be good for you. Cause not every show is the improv, the laugh actor at the Comedy Store in an ideal situation. So, yeah.
A
Well, what are some of the worst.
C
One of the worst ones that I ever had. I mentioned this in the book, but it was, oddly enough, for the military. But we knew it going in. Terry Mulroy, who's a very successful writer in comic, he goes, I'm gonna send you Avi. I was doing comedy for five minutes at this point in my career. Take you and two of your buddies. It's a Camp Pendleton in San Diego. We show up, and he said, this is gonna be tough, but it'll be good for you guys. We show up and all these Marines, just hammered. They're just hammered. And they're dancing with, like, local girls, you know. And then. And we walk in, naive, you know. I started. First place everyone went on was the Laugh Factory. So I'm thinking, oh, I guess that's normal comedy. We walk in, they're like, yeah, where's the club? And they're like, you're in it. And all of a sudden they start saying, everybody sit down. We got a comedy. So, sir, yes, sir. And they sit down and they're hooting and hollering and screaming. And we were like. The three of us were frightened. Like, how are we gonna get through this? And we even asked her, like, aren't these guys, like, 18, 19? How are they allowed to drink? Like, well, on the Base. We allow it. Cause otherwise they're gonna go into TJ Tijuana and get hammered. And at least here we can watch them. I'm like, well, that doesn't make me feel any better. I was just a mess. But we did get through it alive, so it was fun.
A
Yeah. It is interesting when people try to shoehorn comedy into spaces it probably doesn't. Wouldn't exist in.
C
Yes.
A
And also, people have a weird sort of relationship with time and comedy. I've found. Like, there'll be some corporate gig, and It'll be at 9am in Houston for the asphalt convention. And the guy will go, just do 45 minutes. Maybe you don't understand how long that is in this environment.
C
I mentioned that in the book where I say the first time I ever went on stage was an open mic at the Laugh Factory. And you would get three minutes and say, really? That's it. I go, count to 10 in your head with just silence and you tell me how long that is.
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Well, look, it's funny. Yes. Open mic is three minutes, and a boxing round is three minutes. And if you got into the ring with Mike Tyson in 1989, three minutes would be enough to figure out. 60 seconds would be who could do this Right. And who couldn't do it. All I'm saying is it would feel like a long time. One round with that. And when you're a horrible comedian, three minutes feels like a long time.
C
When you're in the audience, it's an eternity. Yeah.
A
You did the open mics at the improv out here?
C
Yeah, I would say more.
A
The Hollywood Improv.
C
Yeah, the improv was very good to me when I started. That's where I began to sort of hang out more. I'd say that was where I kind of grew up.
A
The Melrose Improv.
C
Yeah, the one on Melrose.
A
So wait a minute. You start at what age over there?
C
I started. I moved out here right after college. I think I was 22.
A
So you and I are about the same age. So my recollection of the improv open mic. So I did exclusive. Oh, not exclusively. I did almost nothing but open mics, but I got a couple of weird gigs that paid or something. But I was pretty much open micr. And then I kind of realized I don't think standup's my calling. And then I went and did sketch comedy. And I did sketch for a long time, and then sketch wasn't really my calling, but sketch kind of gave way to radio, and then radio was my calling. And then Radio kind of gave way to tv and then that's all I did for a long time and then circled back to stand up later on in life. So I really. All I had was open mics. And I remember the open mic at the Improv on Melrose.
C
What year was this? This is like early 90s.
A
No, this is probably mid or 80s. Mid or later 80s.
C
Okay. So yeah, sure, yeah. Because you grew up out here.
A
Yeah. So my recollection of that would have been it was Sunday night and it started pretty early, like five or something. And you would go there first off, find a place to park, which is always brutal in that neighborhood because they literally. I'm not dyslexic, but I can't read and my comprehension is bad. And I would literally stand under those signs that had three or four signs.
C
Oh, you need a logic.
A
And I just stare at it and go, I have a permit. 27B. I could park here over. No. 6pm to 6am so that's overnight. But there's two hour parking before 6pm But I was so paranoid. But I just stared at this. Then you'd park and then you'd go in and you'd write your name on a little piece of paper. And they put it in a hat, maybe a top hat. And the guy who ran the thing was not a jovial, supportive fella.
C
Well, they never, they don't wanna be there. I mean, for me it was. The Laugh Factory was the first place I ever went up and there you'd have to get up and they would take the first 20 people that showed up. This is like 94. And I, the first time I went, I think signed ups were at 6 and I said, I'm gonna show up at 3 o' clock to show how dedicated I am. I was not even close to getting a spot. People would show up at like noon and wait there all day and launch. It's so crazy to get three minutes. And then the Comedy Store was more names out of the hat, you know, out of the bucket. So we shouldn't have to show up and wait all day.
A
The Improv was name after names. Yeah, the improv was names out of a hat. And they picked the first, you know, 15 or 20 names by the time I started.
C
They didn't even have that. The improv was more like, we're not, we're, you know, we're above the open mic situations now and. Cause they were a pretty, you know, they had a lot of great, you know, wait.
A
Didn't you say you started The Improv with open.
C
The first place I ever went on stage was the Laugh Factory, and I continued to go on there more consistently, I'd say. And the Improv, I would say, was the club I grew up at more. But I would hang out there.
A
No open mics there.
C
Yeah, no open mic. But the Comedy Store, I would go open mics, the Store would put me on. I was never regular there. Still am not. But if I was doing something for tv, they were kind of nice to me. Then they'd throw me on and let me practice, but that was about it.
A
The Laugh Factory, I remember. So there was a place called the Deli Smoker, which is like, on Ventura and Sherman Oaks. There was those places everywhere.
C
There's always awful, like, one night, you know, small clubs.
A
But the Laugh Factory, I only remember trying that place once, and I was one of the first one of the 20. It probably got there two in the afternoon. Waited with number eight. It was like number 18 or something. And so I was there at two. And, you know, the show starts at eight that night, and it's now 7:45. And I've been there the entire day waiting to do three minutes. And right before I get on stage, Pauly Shore, who's kind of at the height of his powers at that point, literally comes walking in with a notebook.
C
Yeah, that's when you see a comic.
A
If somebody's holding a notebook.
C
That's how it's.
A
And he's like, hey, buddy. And they're like, oh, you want to go up? And he's like, yeah, I want to go up and try a few things out. And they're like, okay, go, go. Next. And I'm like, well, I'm going next. And I've been here since two, you know.
C
Right. They don't care.
A
No, get up. We got Pauly Shore in the house, you know. So he walks up at, you know, 7:51 or something I'm supposed to do. They're closing it at 8 to do the show, you know, and he just walks up and he's got his notepad out and he's like, hey, what's going on with Sammy Hagar?
C
And he does an hour.
A
Which man? Was it, Van Halen or Van Lehman? Okay. And she's like, writing on his notebook. And, like, he does like 18 minutes and then he's done. And they're like, all right, we're starting the show. We're starting at 8:00'. Clock. And I'm like, what the fuck just happened?
C
The comedy stories have what they Call Pop Ins. So you could be on the list. And if a regular or someone at the club shows up, you're stuck. And you might be, you know, ninth or tenth on the list. And then you're on at one in the morning, you know. But that goes back.
A
Let me tell you something. There's two things I can do now, and I don't feel comfortable with either one. One is the Disneyland, where you get the guide and go to the front of the line, right?
C
Because you're a big enough deal where you can do that.
A
I can pay for that. And I also can pop in, but I'm like, I don't want to pop in because there's other people waiting all day to go on stage. I feel weird popping in. And they go, you can do that, though. And I go, I can go in front in Disneyland, too, but it feels weird to walk in front of everybody.
C
I've seen that once. They'll both remain nameless, but two guys that were both kind of famous and one was kind of ascending and one was descending, but I would say they were about even. And they're used to walking in and bumping whoever they want. And this guy walked in, but this guy was on the schedule. And the two of them kind of went at it outside. And I remember seeing the manager of the improv having to deal with this. I couldn't hear it, but he's having to. And I said, what was that like? He's like, just a couple egos going at it, you know? Cause when that becomes normal for you. I remember I had a spot at the Comic Strip in New York City, and there was a great crowd. And my friend Ray Allen, who's like a great emcee, was mc' ing it, and they were phenomenal. And in walks Chris Rock, and he's got a notebook, which means they're practicing for a special. Whatever. And I had just gotten off stage, and I remember thinking to myself, and they were phenomenal crowd to begin with. I was like, thank God I'm done. Number one, who wants to follow this? Number two, you know, he's gonna be up there working on what he. Which is fair. You know, he's working on a special, but who the hell wants to follow this? And he's gonna be up there for 35, 40 minutes and have fun following this. You know, Like, I was like, ugh, what a relief that, you know, it's. I was like, the. You know, the comedy seller in New York has to deal with that. You have a lot of famous guys Popping in, right? The only guy I ever saw who really felt Ray Romano comes in. If you have some time for me, it's okay, but if not, I don't want to bump. He was so gracious, so. Ray Romano, yeah, he was so gracious about it.
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You know, I had a flashback the other day. I don't know why, but talking about like bad gigs, but we were talking about the Improv and back in the day, I was just thinking about this the other day for some reason, but there was a charity event at the Improv many years ago and I got recruited to be involved with this star studded celebrity charity, something Animals or something. And so I wasn't a standup. So, you know, other guys, you know, Kevin eland's gonna do eight minutes and then this guy's gonna do 10. And then I didn't really have any minutes to do. I was just a personality, you know. So we figured out that, you know what would be fun? It'd be fun if me and Bill Maher, we did Loveline and Bill maher would be Dr. Drew and I would be me. And we'd get up there and do 10 minutes, maybe 15. And so I got to the show and everyone was every a list comedian who's sort of at the top of the game was just doing a tight 10 minutes and they're all crushing it because it was all their best stuff. They knew what they were doing. It was like 10 minutes and I was kind of watching everyone and I was kind of like, you know, Bill, you and I are just gonna walk out on stage and we don't really have a thing to do. And it's. I'm sorry about that. It's gonna slow things down. It's gonna feel weird. We haven't really worked out what we're doing doing here. And he goes, yeah, all right. Yeah, I guess we should work that out. Because it was standup, was very precise and rhythmic, and everyone was crushing it doing 10 minutes.
C
Sometimes that change of energy can be a good thing, you know, mixes it up.
A
I wasn't counting on it being a good thing because we didn't know what we were doing. We're just gonna go up on stage and I didn't know you were gonna be Dr. Drew and that was gonna be me. So I go, I go, bill, don't you think you and I should just kind of talk for a minute and kind of go through the beats of what this is and like what it is we're doing up there? And he goes, yeah, all Right. We should probably work this out. We're going up in 15 minutes or something. He goes, why don't we just go out front? We'll go outside where it's quiet. We'll just try to hammer out a couple beats here, and then we'll get up and do this. I said, yeah, okay. So we walk outside the improv and we turn left. We go down Melrose a little, and we get to, like, this side corner. And I go, all right, so what do you have in mind? How do you want to do this? And he just pulls a joint out and he smokes half a joint. We don't talk about anything we're doing. He just smokes half a joint. Then he puts it out and he goes, all right, let's go do this. And I go, well, hold on a second.
C
Glad we've gone over this.
A
Not only did we not work anything out, but now you're fucking baked. And we haven't worked anything out. And now we're heading. He's like, if I get back in, Neyland's gonna be off stage in two minutes. And now I'm like, now I'm brimming with confidence.
C
Yeah, it's. How did it go, by the way?
A
It was like out of a sitcom where I started at the beginning and it was like, uh, oh, this is gonna be rough. You know what I mean? And then by the time we got to the middle with singing, by the time we got to the end, we were crushing it.
C
Yeah, it's fine.
A
It was fine. That was my improv recollection.
C
The improv was always interesting to me. Cause the regular show would end, and whoever was managing would make, like, an ad hoc list of comics that were hanging around. Who wants to go up? So you could get on there almost every night if you hung out. And back in the day, this is when Bud Freeman, God rest his soul, and Mark Lano owned it. And they would say, I remember what gravitated me more towards that club. I remember Mark screaming at one of the managers outside going, I don't care if there are five people left in the crowd. If there are comics here, put them up. That's the only way they're gonna learn. And I went, oh, that's nice to hear. And I was like, this is the place where I'm gonna invest my time. And I could get up. That's where I. And then they began to give me, like, the Sunday night 8:15, 8:10 spot was mine for a while, and I developed there. And then it's the first full week on the road, quote unquote, that I ever did was Vegas. So I come back, I'm like, the road is great. What are you guys doing? Like, shut up, Weber, man. Just like, you know, it was before I worked in Idaho, in Indiana, and really pounding the road for a summer. I was like, the road is easy. What's the problem? You know, I knew I was just being obnoxious, but they. The road is hard, but you get better on it. So that's, you know, I wanted those difficult experiences to, you know, help groom you. So when you do do an improper Laugh Factory comedy story, you're like, this is what a pleasure. You know, you have. The lighting is right, the sound is right, the audience is seated. Right. Cause usually they're not.
A
Where do you think we are right now with comedy, standup comedy? If you were to kind of chart it, because we all know there are good years, there's bad years.
C
I'd say not to sound too much like the guy with the get off my lawn. But I'd say there are two things that at least I've seen in other cities that I think have slowed the progression of comics coming up. Crowd work and roasts. Those two things. And I have no problem with either one of them. But it used to be when I was coming up and when you were like, if someone started doing crowd work, it was almost a running gag, like, out of material. You know, we joke about it, but when we were doing it, if you were talking to the crowd, it was to get to the next joke that you've got. You know, like, I'd ask a question, and I was like, if he says this, I've got a joke for that. And if he says this, I've got a joke for that. It was almost, you know, you were writing jokes for the response, right? And nowadays it's just, people will come out and, hey, what's going on? I just, like, I've seen this. It's more out of LA where I've seen that, where it's. MCs will go on and just talk to the audience. I just like, can you do one joke? That's why I like Anthony Jeselnut, you know, for example. Cause he won't. Jeselnik won't do crowd work at all. It's just like, I'm just gonna do the jokes, and if it's slower, it takes more time. Too bad. And it's like, I admire that, in a sense. I think that should be more of the, you know, the lesson Learned coming up. Yeah, I get it. Writing jokes sucks. It's hard. It takes a long time. And to really get it right can be a huge pain in the ass. But. And again, I have no problem talking to the crowd. I have no problem. People who do it. It just. I think there should be enough material there to compensate it. And I don't see a lot of that. You know, I've seen less of it, I should say, because it. Crowd work can vault your career. And I get it. You know, you have one organic moment that can become a big deal. And it's social media. It's changed it. You know, it's changed it. So that's what I've seen. Also the progression. When I was coming up, I feel worse. It's got to be much harder for comics today because there's just so many of them, and it just, you know, something might go viral and you just don't know what's going to hit. But when I was coming up, there was kind of this natural progression. Like, you know, you kick it in the ass as much as you can on the road, you come back here, you'll get something on cable, hopefully. And then the next stage was, you know, either a Ferguson, a Conan, you know, or a Kimmel or something like that. And then you would gun for the Tonight show or Letterman. That was kind of the standard you get, like something on Comedy Central. They were great about giving comics a chance. And that's kind of all changed. That's like, it's very different now. But that was sort of the natural progression for me. That's kind of what I did. I did, and I talked to the comics that knew more than me, and they told me, don't shoot forgetting anything late night until you have two sets to go, not one, because if you do one, you're gonna blow your wad on that. And if it goes well, they're gonna ask you back. And you want to seem like, you know, you're not, oh, now what? So I had already outlined my second set. When I did, I did. Ferguson was the first network TV I did. And I did it, and thank God it went well. And I get off stage, off the set, and she walks right up to me, the woman who booked, and she's like, where are you in six months? Seven? And I was ready to go. And I began immediately working on the third one. And then after I did it the third time, I thought that was kind of enough. Let's gun for Letterman. And then retiring, there went that. And then that's when social media just began to become a bigger thing.
A
And you say, am I feeling with crowd work that I'll see. I don't know. At the Laugh Factory on a Thursday night and everyone's doing 15 minutes and someone just gets up there and they go, where are you from? And they start. And I'm sort of like, don't you want to take this real precious time and work on stuff that like, I feel like you should be.
C
I think it depends on where you are, where you are in your career. So I still feel like. Cause I'm not a big enough dealer, I feel like I have to do well. Like I'm going to go on there and I want to do what I know works and maybe I'll sneak into, you know, one of the new ones here and there in the middle. But that's where I'm like, I need to do well there. If you're Chris Rock, he's using that to practice. He needs to do well at the special.
A
No, he does, but he's. I agree, but he's not doing crowd work either because he's working on something. Like, I just feel like you should always kind of be working on something.
C
Of course, yeah. But if you're good at crowd, there are people who are phenomenal at it. And I don't mind. I really don't. It's, you know, like Jimmy Brogan, for example, is great at crowd work, but he doesn't have to do that. He has really good jokes if he wants to do it.
A
You know, I would probably say that I'm good at crowd work just cause I'm good improvisationally. But I don't want to work on it. Cause it's not really something to work on. To me, it's like invisible. Like you could do it or you can't do it.
C
Any comic has been doing this long enough can pull that off. But to write really good jokes is something I think any comic is more proud of.
A
I agree. I'm just saying my get off the lawn kind of age thing is like, you're up there for 15 minutes, work on stuff, right?
C
Absolutely.
A
And crowd work is kind of invisible.
C
Yeah.
A
So then you said roasting.
C
Yeah.
A
Now how does that factor in?
C
I think because you watch someone like, all right, let's take the best of the best, you know, like a Jeff Ross who's great at doing this. That, you know. But again, it's Jeff. Jeff kinda looks how he looks like a Schlumberger. So you can get away with it. You know what I mean, and I think it's. A lot of comics, especially young ones, will look at this and go, that's what I'm supposed to do. If you're not that kind of comic, if you're not an abrasive type of. That's not your style. That doesn't mean that's what you need to do. But you watch, I think if you're 22 years old and seeing how Roast and things like that can vault someone's career, it's enticing to go, oh, maybe that's what I should do, and all those kinds of things. So I think it's. But you need to stay in your lane. And if it's not your lane, don't worry about it. Like, if you're kind of the happy fun guy or it's not your style, that doesn't mean you need to, like, have this arsenal of jokes ready to just insult somebody, you know? So those are things that I think have sort of. You know, I've just seen it a bit that even when people are doing crowd work, they'll be more abrasive about it. That doesn't mean that's what you gotta do. But those two things, I think have.
A
So you're saying that people, young comedians, see what's working and try to emulate it, versus sort of working their own Persona out.
C
Yeah, I was guilty of it, too.
A
Look, I mean, well, everyone is guilty of everything. Everybody's ever been in a great rock band started by covering some songs from bands they liked when they were 14. Cause that's what you do. And eventually you start writing your own music, right? Yeah.
C
I mean, I sort of had to realize. I talk about this in the book over the years. I was like. I used to shy away from doing any Jewish material because my name is so Jewish, and I wouldn't do any of it. Then I got a call, Avi. They wanna see the Montreal Comedy Festival for the bar mitzvah show. Do all your Jewish stuff. And this is my own fucking agent telling me. I was like, I don't really have. And I realize if my own agent views me that way, I might as well embrace it. And then all of a sudden, I became the Israel guy. Like, I'm the guy who does the tours in Israel twice a year. And I would bring these comics. That's kind of what I'm noted as. Because I embraced who I was. This is stupid. I'm not gonna run away from who I am. This is silly. So. And then everything got better. The secular comedy Got better. Everything got better. Once I just began to be more of myself. So. And that's kind of become. If you were to ask who's. Oh, yeah, he's the Israel guy. Like, you know, and that's. That became the thing.
A
So, yeah, I agree with your initial impulse. I've always had a. Maybe I'm just jealous. But whenever I see comedians and it's the fat guy who's doing all the buffet humor, or the single lady who's like, can we talk ladies? Who's single out here? Or the black guy doing the black stuff, or whatever that thing is, I've always kind of went, well, you gotta, you know, I guess you have to kinda discuss who you are, or people are looking at you and you look weird or you look different or something that needs to be addressed. But at a certain point when that just becomes your act, then that shouldn't be everything. No, it bothers me a little bit.
C
I also feel like, oh, you're justified in that. You're right. No, I asked, there's a friend of mine, and all he does are like, Jewish events. And I said, what happens if you get a phone call? If I call you, hey, you want to do Vegas for me with me? Let's, you know, what's he gonna do? Like, he couldn't. He couldn't. He couldn't do it. It's very important. Let's. Even without that, let's say you're doing more alternative Y stuff. I came up during the alternative rage when that was like, you know, Garofalo and this and all like, during that era. And I would see comics that would just try to do that kind of humor, like, not punchline oriented comedy. But I was like, but all these. The guys that are really good at it, the Patton Oswalds and the Garofalos and the Dave Crosses, they have regular material that can make regular people laugh. They're choosing not to do it, but they're perfectly capable of doing that. So I feel kind of the nicest compliment I ever got Chris Spencer, who's a great comic. And he told me once somebody was like, yeah, yeah, Chris is great. And I had him on my usual tour. He crushed and he said so he was like, avi, can you do this? And he looked at me and he goes, avi's like a utility comic. Just throw him in there. He'll figure it out. Black room, alternative Vegas, whatever. He'll. Don't worry about it. Because I was put through the ringer. You figure it out, buddy, or you're not going to know what's going on.
A
I was trying to figure out where Dave Cross was the other day, which doesn't mean he's not everywhere or somewhere working on something. I just went, where's Dave Cross? And I just had this thought, and I was like, where is he? Is he doing a TV show? Is he riding on something? Is he semi retired? Like, getting to the age where it's like, well, yeah, you can start to peel it back a little bit.
C
Yeah, I think he can do what he wants. He was one of the few guys I saw that, like, I would see him destroy in alternative venues and mainstream if he felt like it. But, like, if he was in the. Even when he was, like, goofing around and, like, at the improv or something, he was still funny for everybody else.
A
I'm sorry. Like, there are other guys that are just sort of ubiquitous and they're out there and you know what they're doing, like, all the time, right? David Cross is on tour right now doing theaters.
C
There you go.
A
All right. Well, there you go.
C
He's got his following.
A
Yeah. I just haven't seen him pop up places that I normally would see. But on the other hand, what the hell am I watching? I watch UFC fights. There's 800 platforms.
C
It's hard to. A lot of comics that are massive and I may not know their stuff. Just you have so many platforms now.
A
Oh, they're getting to be like, those. Those Korean bands or something, where it's like, they're doing what? They're selling out Dodger Stadium for third night.
C
And I'm like, who is that?
A
No idea what that is.
C
Actually, a manager just told me. I don't know if, you know, Ryan Hamilton's a great comic. So he said his manager was telling me, Peter Resnow is a great guy. He goes, I call one of these clubs and we. Let's just get some dates on the books for Ryan. How about this one? He goes, oh, that doesn't work. I have some YouTube stars coming in, right? And he goes, are they funny? He goes, no, they're awful, right? He goes, ray goes, look, they have a following. They sell out and I gotta sell drinks and tickets. What do you want me to do? I mean, I get it, I get it, but it's just like, that's what it's. People will make that mistake, too. I've had to deal with that. They're like, what about this guy? He's great on Instagram. Like, an Instagram sketch is not stand up and A lot of people don't get that. I understand it's funny as a sketch, or it's funny as this, or he's good at this, but that doesn't mean he can go on stage and hold an audience's attention for half an hour, 40 minutes, whatever. And that's people who are not in comedy, often the lines can get blurred. Understandably so. But that's, you know, that's another thing that I think we deal with. Now.
A
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C
As a comedian. We do travel a lot. I've been getting a lot of travel advice, especially now that I live in Los Angeles. All my friends in la, here's what they're telling me now. Fly in and out of Burbank Airport. So much more convenient if you fly to Burbank. The problem is you can't get a direct flight out of Burbank to anywhere. Last time I flew out of Burbank, we stopped at lax. I'm like, this isn't convenient at all. This is absurd.
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Avi Lieberman is on the Adam Carolla show.
A
I just heard off the air that Avi does a Mark Levin impersonation that Ami Horowitz was.
C
Ami was having dinner with him. And he called me beforehand and goes, I want you to do. I want you to call me back. Leave the voicemail. And I'm gonna play it for him at dinner. And I'm like, am I gonna get in trouble with these? No, no, no, he'll like it. And so he played it for him and he said, and his wife lost her shit. Laughing. And he was less amused, but still thought it was fine.
A
Mark's a serious guy.
C
Very serious. Here's my impression, Mark. There's no middle ground with him. My take is that it's 0 to 100. Yeah. It's like, here's my Levin. He's like, these people, they have not read the Constitution because if they did, they'd have a stroke. And if you look at article, you know what? I'm not gonna read it. You read it. These morons. That's right. I said it. Morons, Obama, Pelosi, they have no interest in the law. These people like, it's just hot, you know, it's.
A
You gotta work in some. Mr. Producer.
C
Yeah.
D
And you know something else, Mr. Producer.
C
Yeah, I had that. Yeah. I just didn't go along with it. You know something else, Mr. Producer? Yeah.
D
I felt really old. Cause I've known Mark and rich for almost 20 years, 22 years. God.
A
Rich is the producer.
D
Rich is Mr. Producer.
A
I never knew who it was. It's just Mr. Producer.
D
He has a name. I was at his wedding. Like, he posted a photo the other day of him of them in the Oval Office with Trump. And I'm like, oh, man, he has great hair now.
C
Yeah. He was a constitutional attorney living under the Reagan administration. He's been around forever.
D
He's been around forever.
A
Mark.
D
So fricking smart.
C
He knows more than everybody.
A
Yeah, Mark's on Fox. He's syndicated radio. But that was dead nuts on Mark.
C
Thank you. Thank you.
A
I had this vague recollection of him 20 years ago. Let's see. Where are we? Yeah, it was probably 20 years ago, maybe a little less. And he was a huge Crank Yankers fan for some weird reason. That was a puppet show I did.
C
Yeah, I remember.
A
And he loved that show. And so somebody, like, said, well, he wants you to call in or wants to talk to you about Crank Anchors, the puppet show. And so I said, oh, okay, I'll call in. And I called in, and he didn't seem to like the show. And he was sort of angry about the show. And then he had some thoughts about the show. And then I remember thinking I was sort of confused. Like, I thought he liked the show, but he seems to be.
C
He's a very serious guy about the show.
A
And then when I hung up, I was just confused. I was just confused. Like, I thought he was a big fan. Sometimes I think the producer or somebody's a big fan, but the host isn't. But they try to book you. Cause they're big fans or they think.
D
It'Ll be good for rating.
C
Right. Well, that's why I checked with Ami. I was like, is he gonna hate my guts if he goes, no, no, no, no, he'll like it. But his wife liked Ed. But he was like. He smirked. I thought that was enough.
D
I have to say, he's a big teddy bear. Like, he's a teddy bear.
C
I'm sure he's a nice. Mommy says he's a really nice guy.
A
Yeah.
D
Like, every time he's met my kids, they just, like, go straight to him. He has that grandpa energy in real life.
A
And Ami's a good dude, so, you know, breaking bread with him, even if it's on the leaven.
C
Yeah.
A
I will trust his instinct.
C
He said he lied. That's what he said. He.
A
I had another weird. You know, you get old and you have these weird flashbacks of stuff from shows you did and guests and spots and weird and stuff. Some of it. I still remember the weird stuff. Like, I remember Mark Levin being a Huge crank anchors fan, and then not really liking crank anchors. And then me hanging the phone up with him and going, I don't think he likes this show, but also felt weird about it. I had this flashback to Man Cow, who's a big radio.
C
Oh, yeah, we met him in Israel on one of our tours.
A
You met Man Cow?
D
Is he still on the air? He's from Chicago, right?
A
This is a good question. So Man Cow was a big radio guy back when there was big radio guys and terrestrial radio guys like Bob.
C
And Tom type of area.
A
Yeah, some guys that had territory, they were like Midwest guys.
D
He was the Chicago guy.
A
Grover. Grover Cleveland. Wait a minute. That's why you name yourself. Grover Cleveland was his area. And so they had guys, you know, Opie and Anthony and New York, Howard Stern and all that kind of stuff. He had, like, a territory. And you were that guy. I was in la, Loveline, or Kevin and Bean or something like that. Kroc.
D
Like Bill Handel.
A
Bill Handel.
D
You know, every region has their people, right?
A
So Man Cow's off traditional radio since 2020. But I remember. So my background was I did radio and I liked radio, and I came up with Kimmel, and Kimmel did radio, and he really liked radio. And radio is kind of a thing where some people are in a hurry to get off a radio and onto tv or they use it as a stepping stone or whatever it is. But then there are people that are kind of purists. They like radio. They grew up listening, and they had their favorites growing up. And they dig radio. And Howard Stern likes broadcasting, likes radio, and Jimmy liked radio. And I really like radio. So I did radio the whole time. I did the man show and MTV and Crank anchor. I was on TV every day. But I do radio at night because I wanted to. I liked it. And people, if a radio show host asked me to come on, I would almost certainly say yes, because I liked radio. And Man Cow wasn't exactly householding name for me growing up in la. But I understood he was a popular radio guy, like Mark Levin. It's like, you want me on? Yeah, we'll try to make this happen. So they said, well, Man Cow wants you on his show, but he's in Chicago and there's a time difference, and it's two hours and you gotta get up pretty early. And I would come home from Loveline at 12:30 at night and to call into Man Show. Sorry, Man Show, Man Cow's show. I had to call in at, like. I had to set my alarm for, like, 6:00am or something. So I like went to bed at, you know, I'd go to bed at 1:30 or 2 because I got home at 12:30 every night and I set my alarm for 6am and I call in Mancal and he puts me on hold and then I sit on hold for like 20 minutes.
C
Oh no, that's not.
A
At like 6 in the morning.
D
That's a producer fail right there.
A
Well, maybe now I'm doing the man show. I'm doing Loveline on mtv. I'm doing Loveline tv, radio, syndicated. I don't need to get up and call man cow show, but I just do it. Cause I like radio, you know. And also I like.
C
You knew who he was.
A
Yeah, for me it wouldn't matter. I'm just like, listen, radio brethren, I've not outgrown you just. Cause I'm in Hollywood and I'm on MTV and Comedy Central. I'll call into, I'll call into anyone's.
D
Show, fan of radio wants to help. Dude on radio.
A
Yeah, I do it now. Like I'm fine. I'm gonna call into Tim Conway Jr show like in a few days. Because I like Tim and I like radio. And why not? I don't care.
D
We first met when I was doing radio.
A
Oh, right at the morning answer, right? So I call in, I get put on hold for like, I don't know, half an hour.
D
That's insane.
A
Something. And then I go. Then they come on at the end, they go like, so sorry, so sorry. We break late, ran over, whatever, we're out of time, the show's over, blah blah blah. And we're so sorry, we're so sorry, so sorry. Mix up, whatever. Can we try this again tomorrow? And I, because I'm me, everyone thinks I'm an asshole, but I'm like, I'm not. I'm like, okay, I'll set my alarm tomorrow at 6am again. And I'll get up again and I'll stop. Oh, whatever. Because I thought there was a mix up or some confusion and they were so sorry and blah blah blah. My recollection is I did it the next morning, sat on hold for a half hour again, never picked up. Right. So then.
C
And they didn't have you on for the second time again?
A
No, that was that. And I said, all right, no more of that, thanks, whatever. Then later on I ran into and worked with Angie, who was his producer, and I said, or something, worked on his show. And I said to her at the time, you know, I called in years ago, years ago. And I just sat there. And she goes, oh, yeah, that was a game he'd play to see if he could get celebrities to just sit there.
C
Seriously.
A
And I was like, oh, my God. Anyway, I had no thoughts about it until, like, two days ago. I was driving and I just went, oh, my God, what a douchebag. Like, that makes you the biggest asshole douchebag in the world because I had to fucking get up at 6 in the morning. And also, what a douche. And it was just some sort of weird ego thing or something. I made Adam Carolla wait for a half hour and then they're picked up or whatever.
D
Way to burn bridge.
A
I just thought I could sooner set a homeless guy on fire than I could do that to somebody. Like, I could never fucking do that.
C
Especially that early in the morning. If they know you're.
A
I know. I know. So I know.
C
The first time I ever did network tv, it was Ferguson. And you don't know this at home, but they plug you in later as they'd edit you in on a different night.
D
Yeah.
C
So I'm in New York, and I'm, you know, if you. I'm in New York City and I was at the Cellar, and friends went, oh, you want to go? There was this part. I go, you know, I'm about to be on network TV for the first time in my life. Let me stick around. And they're nice. They'll put the TVs on for, you know, at the improv. If you were on, they'd put them on everything. And I'm sitting, I'm looking at my watch going in the commercial break, I'm like, something is wrong here. And all of a sudden, Ferguson comes out. My apologies to hobby Lieberman. We ran long. We'll have you back. I'm just like, I taped this five days ago. How is this not edited? Like, even there, you never know. But the difference is I got back and there's an email from them going, we're so sorry. We just had a square bit. And I was on like, a day or two later. Yeah. But, like, they made an effort there. You know, I have to say, being malicious about it, like, that's, you know.
D
Do you guys know Alex Michaelson? He was, like, at Fox 5 here for a really long time. His mom, like, if you're ever on his show, he, like, his mom would make brownies and cookies.
C
Yes. Yeah.
D
And it was so nice. Like, most of the time when you're on any show, you're just treated as, like, as a guest it's like you should be grateful to be here, like, whether it's cable news, podcast, whatever. And I just like coming from a background of having been a talk radio producer and a lover of radio that then moved into podcasting and media and all that stuff. Like, just treat guests nice, man. Like, just treat them nicely. But producers can sometimes have as much of a stick up their butt as the anchors or the hosts.
C
I never understood that, why you can't just be nice over. The first TV thing I ever did, like, as an actor was on Dave's World. This was a Harry Anderson show, God rest us all.
A
And.
C
And I was. I knew nothing, right? So did I would sit in the bleachers where the audience and the extras would sit just so I could watch and soak in what's going on. I didn't know anything. And I'm just watching this, and all of a sudden some woman comes up and I was talking to some of the extras, became friendly with one of them just over the course of the day or two, and she's like, background, let's go, let's go. Like super, like, snippy to them. Yeah. And I was like, oh, I'll talk to you later, man. And I'm sitting. She's like, let's go. And I was like, oh. And she said, oh, I'm so sorry. I was like, you know what? If you were nice to everybody, that wouldn't have been awkward. Like, why was that? Why? What's the difference?
D
Just be nice to everybody.
A
I agree, but there's so many people that try to grab a little dominion over somebody where they can, but they're so used to eating shit all day that they look at it.
D
It's like the bullied kid. Bullies, like, the kid that is bullied.
C
They did it to me when I was younger.
A
It's a weird dude. It's kind of a weird thing. It's a kid's version of being rich. Like, if I were rich. Well, it's actually not. It's not even a kid's version, you know, if I were rich, I'd drive a golden Cadillac and give money to strangers, you know, like, so they go, if I was in power, this is how. All right, Alicia Krause, you have some news over there, by the way.
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I do. We're going to start with this insane story of talking about, like, needing to be nice. This. This is not so nice. Rampage Jackson's son Raja is currently under investigation. This is from Vibe. For a ruthless attack at an LA wrestling event. And it's kind of insane. I'll just give you guys a little bit of background here. Apparently, Douglas Malo assisted one of the wrestlers at this kind of Knox Pro Wrestling Academy event. So it wasn't wwe, it wasn't awe. Even though they both had events over the weekend, it was here in la, and it was the son of former UFC fighter quintet Quinton Rampage Jackson, and he's under investigation now for what happened. Apparently, fans quickly learned that Jackson's involvement was scripted as the story made its rounds on the Internet. But it was revealed that he was not supposed to take things as far as he did. I'm not a big, like, fight night person. My husband and some friends gather together to have it, and. But this is blowing up, like, all of the Internet, all of Instagram, all of, like, X, every TikTok, everybody.
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It's the guy he beat. Is he alive?
D
He's. He's alive. He's apparently. Okay. He has released.
A
Okay.
D
Psycho Stew has said that his health is remaining a priority. And, like, don't donate to any GoFundMes. Which I actually appreciate him saying that. I think it's nice. He said, we have not set up a GoFundMe. He said, thank you, everybody, for your prayers and concerns. I think he had a slight concussion. He's missing lots of teeth. He's currently stable, but in critical care.
C
Oh, good Lord.
A
And.
D
And, like Quinton, like, Rampage released a statement kind of saying that his son was an MMA fire and not fighter, not a pro wrestler, and had no business being involved in an event like this. And apparently Psycho Stew hit him off camera, and Raja was unexpectedly. This is from Rampage. Quote, raja was unexpectedly hit in the side of the head by him moments before Smith's match. And Raja was told that he could, quote, unquote, get his payback in the ring.
A
Well, according to what I've seen. And it just lit up the Internet. I mean, I don't know why, I don't know what the Internet thinks I'm watching, but I never stopped popping up on my feed. So the guy slammed a beer, aluminum beer can, like, a full beer, and did, like, cracked him backstage in the skull.
C
So just to be a reason for.
A
That, just to be fair, it was like, tough guy, white guy, tough guy, black guy. And we're getting all the Rajahs and his nicknames and everything. It's just the black guy beat up the white guy, but the white guy start by smacking the can. I'm not making a racial thing. I'm trying to just Go. I don't remember everyone's handle and everyone's.
C
Talking smack backstage or anything.
A
He sort of got in his grill and he sort of went like. He was kind of big timing him a little bit, and he was kind of like, here's what we do. And he took a beer and he slammed it in his head.
C
Ow.
A
But it was kind of like a wrestling move. Like, here's what you would do. Looked pretty good. Like, the equivalent of hitting someone with a folding chair. Like, it's like, there's a way to.
C
Do it where it doesn't hurt.
A
You don't cause bullying to be part of the show.
D
Kind of.
A
Yeah, so he did it to him, but he was backstage, like, probably didn't need to do it to him. So then black guy got mad, and then at some point, white guy who hit him with the can, like, came over and apologized and said, sorry, I was out of line or whatever. So they thought they made up, but black guy was not. That did not do it for him, even though the guy did apologize. So then he picked him up and he slammed him, and then he just sort of did a ground and pound.
D
Have you seen this video?
C
I haven't seen it.
D
I only watched the first half, and I don't know that I can watch the first.
C
The fact that they're two half men.
A
He slammed him, but it's intense. There is a thing where, whether it's in the ring or on the street, when the. At a certain point when the person is lying motionless, you should stop. You should stop pounding him in the face. And then you, like, are police gonna press the mma?
C
Like, if a guy comes in and goes, that's enough.
A
Yeah, yeah, he's out. Yeah. No, and this is worse, obviously, than mma.
C
You.
A
Now, there's always a. We picked him up and he slams him, and then he just starts beating him. But the ref. The ref doesn't know what to do, and he. Yeah, it's bad. But there's also a part where first off, the ref's got to jump in number one. Number two, there's a part where you get pulled away and you still keep punching, which is kind of weird and fucked up.
C
But also, did the ref think that was part of it?
D
Well, apparently it was a part of the script that the guy would go down. But the continuum.
A
The ref.
D
Did a tooth fly? Like, did I see a literal tooth?
A
I don't want to see it. I don't want to see it. The ref should have jumped in.
C
No, that guy needs to go to Jail. I'm sorry, that's like. That's bad.
A
But so here's the. You can kill a guy, but here's the weird thing. So then I was watching, as I was thinking about it, like, I don't know who these people are, where, like, a switch gets thrown. I've seen it. You see it on the streets. You've seen it in the hallways of a school where some guy's just trying to kill a janitor or something. And it's like, how far does this go back? And what is this? And, like, what's the part where you're trying to kill them? And there's always, for me, the poignant parts when someone tries to pull them off. And you'll see him get pulled off and try to kick the guy as they're being pulled off. And I'm like, you don't even. You guys just met the issues, the huge issues. But here's what it made me think of. I hearkened back to this. When I was doing the man show, I went and tried out for the Hawthorne SWAT team, and I went out there and I fired all the guns and I did all this stuff, and they tased me, and it was a man show bit. Adam goes and tries out, comedy ensues.
D
Did you pass?
A
Yeah, it was funny. Funny bit. I fired all the different guns and got attacked by the police dog. And I did everything on the arm.
C
And the whole thing.
A
Well, more like me, but not in my arm, but I did the whole thing. I said, tase me, do everything. And they did, and I did it. But when I was gonna be attacked by the police dog, I was thinking back on this. First off, the guy who? The police dog handler guy. Scarier than the dog. That guy's scary. He can't even handle a partner. He's got a dog. He's a big scary guy. And we're at a park near the Hawthorne Police where they do their training or whatever. It's got a fence around it. And I guess we pulled a permit and there wasn't anyone there but us. And so I remember getting in the outfit, the vest and the padded thing with the stuff, helmet and everything. And the guy, fuck, this is my whole life. I go, look, look. He goes, you're going to take off running. I go, yeah. And then he's going to go. I go, wait a minute, a few seconds, and I'm going to let the dog go, and then the dog's going to take you down. And I said, okay, I'll do this. And he goes, okay. And I go, I noticed we don't have any gloves or anything. It's just kind of my bare hands when I'm running. Is he going to come up and grab a hand, you know? And the guy goes, yeah, okay. Hold your hands up. I go, okay. I feel like that's something you should. You should tell me to do, but all right.
D
Like when I signed my life away about not suing you, hold your hand up.
A
And so the director goes, the way the park was. There was a big kind of opening where it was bright, and then there was a lot of trees and shade, and it was kind of dark. And so I'd run like 30ft into this big open area that was bright from the sun. And then the dog would take me down, and that would be the best way to shoot it. And then after that, I was kind of heading toward the shadows. So I said to the guy, look, I'm gonna take off running, but don't hold the dog too long, because I don't want to run out of the light and have him take me down. All the way down. Because I don't want to do this again. That's what I said. I'm just gonna do it once.
D
I don't want to run with my hands.
C
One take.
A
Let me just run. Let me just run. And don't hold the dog too long. I can run pretty fast, and I'll be running, and I'll let him go when I get about 20ft away, and then he'll catch me right when I get into the light. And then he goes, oh, this dog's fast. And I go, I get it, But I'm still running, and you give me a head start. And it's gonna take him a beat to catch up to me. Cause I'm running, and he's faster than I am, but I'm still ahead. And he's gonna. Don't. Just don't hold him too long. Just let him go. When I get going, I get 20ft, let him go, and we'll go right into the light. He goes, okay. I go, okay. So I got ready. I go, we're not doing this again, so let's do it.
D
You thought you had a gentleman's agreement.
A
Yes, and I said, action. And I just took off running. And I take off running, and I go into the light area. And I go, okay, here comes the dog. Here comes the dog. And now I'm in the middle of the light area. There's no dog. And I'm now out of the Dog, the light area. And now I'm all the way at the fucking end of the park. And I literally start to slow down and turn around and go, is there a problem with the camera? And as I turn around, the dog hits me. Because of course he had to do what I told him not to do. I go, don't let him go late. If anything, let him go early.
C
Where did he get you?
A
He hit me in the chest or whatever. The point is, the cameras were so far out, Right? Of course he let him go late.
C
Was that for his own amusement? Did he just.
D
What I realized, I realized element of surprise or something?
E
No.
A
When I say to people, there's a pothole coming up, slow down, you're gonna hit the pot. We now hit the pothole. Because I brought up the pothole like I just went, let him go early. We'll go into the light and the camera will be closer because the camera's on sticks. Like it's not. They're not chasing me. Homes.com that's homes.com. some might say homes.com is the best home shopping site. It may be homes.com's super comprehensive and transparent agent directory. Or Maybe it's that homes.com is the only site that always directly connects you with the listing agent who knows the home the best. Or perhaps, perhaps just Perhaps, it's because homes.com has the most in depth neighborhood content of any home shopping site that's extensively researched to highlight the personality of each home in each neighborhood. Homes.com goes above and beyond to bring home shoppers the in depth info they need to find the right home. Homes.com that's homes.com. we've done your homework.
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D
Anyway, if you did that bit nowadays, the camera would be on a drone. He probably would have let you run a mile.
C
The dog would be AI. Anyway, you don't need to worry about it.
A
So what happened was, is I said to the guy, and this is getting back to Rampage Jackson's kid. And a lot of people I see fighting in the streets and stuff and a lot in the African American community too, which is, I don't know what's going on where all this. It's a switch. And I said to the guy, okay, once the dog hits me and takes me down. What do you do, Blow a whistle or something? Or, like, how does the dog know to get off of me once I'm on the ground and he's trying to kill me? And he goes, well, they don't really listen. Once they're going, they're going. And he just said to me, he goes, it's a switch. It's a switch that gets thrown. And I said, all right, so how do we unthrow this switch? He goes, I kick him in the ribs as hard as I can, and I pull him off you. And I said, well, another good reason not to let me get that far away before you let the dog.
D
Is that guy running.
A
Well, it's a switch. And when I saw Raja Jackson on top of that guy, I was like, oh, the switch has been thrown.
D
But isn't it weird that the switch was thrown, like, technically 20 minutes before backstage and he didn't settle?
A
Yeah, but that's like, he didn't do what I premeditated.
C
If he agreed, oh, yeah, we're fine. And then pulls that kind of crap. You know, that's.
D
Is that what the prosecutor's gonna say this trial?
A
Like, it's not the switch. That was the fuse being lit. The switch is when the punches start and they just can't stop.
C
It's like Rambo the person, first blood. You don't wanna throw this switch.
A
The person is lifeless on the ground, and you're not. Remember that.
D
Do you think he likes that feeling? Like, I've never punched somebody.
A
I've never had no feeling.
C
Even MMA guys I've seen have stopped.
A
Yeah, no, it's not a feeling. I think it's like the dog. The switch is thrown. He doesn't know what he's doing. There's a guy trying to pull him off, and he's still trying to throw punches. This guy pulling him off, and he's trying to get a 23rd punch in. That's a weird animal switch. That's all that is.
D
He's clearly thinking about himself when he goes to jail.
A
He's not thinking about anything at that point, is what I'm saying.
C
Look, it's a pile of crazy town.
A
Remember that teenage black girl who got shot by the cop because a fight had broken out? This is like four years ago, and it spilled out in the street, and she was about to stab that other girl, and then the cop shot her.
D
And then people were like, oh, it was.
A
LeBron James is very upset. Well, hey, LeBron.
D
She was about to Stab another black girl?
A
Yes. A 17 year old black girl got shot by a white cop, but she was about to gore another black girl. Like, Shut up, LeBron James. Just shut the fuck up. You know what I mean? What's the cop.
C
We're not saving the other black person. Why does have to do with it?
A
Because he's LeBron and he's a hustler. But the point is, the point is, in that situation, the cop rolled up, like, yelled halt. Pulled his gun out, did everything. And if you watch that tape, it's kind of crazy. There's a black guy who like punched another black guy, or maybe it was a woman and she was like on the ground as the cop was running toward them with his gun drawn. And the guy kicked him in the face one more time, like in front of the cop. And then the cop ran past that guy and the chick with the steak knife was about to. So the whole point is police gun siren. Right. The switch was thrown is what I'm saying. I don't care if a guy with a gun and a badge is behind me. I'm focused on this chick in front of me who like, disrespected me or something and the switch has been thrown.
C
Yeah, you're not. When you're in rage mode, there's nothing you could. There's no talk. It's like you can't raise the switch.
A
Oh, no. Rage mode will work on you. I would understand rage mode. If a guy had a gun and yelled halt. I would stop.
D
I just, I guess, like, if I get pissed off, if I have road rage, if something happens to me, if somebody offends me, like, obviously difference between the hormones between men and women and all that stuff, but if something happened backstage and then I have 20 minutes to cool down before I have to go act out something. Because we know that this was scripted. Why the hell didn't he, like, calm down between point A and point B?
C
I think you need somebody. I remember once I was pissed off about an event coming up and somebody who was not involved with entertainment at all was trying to make these decisions. I remember my dad goes, so let me just try to understand. You're pissed off because someone who knows nothing about entertainment is telling you about. I was like, oh, yeah, I'm the fucking idiot here. Like, not this person. Like, I'm letting this person get under my skin when they know nothing about comedy show business, that this is insane. Like, I'm the one with the problem.
D
So is his dad's defense of him then accurate? That he's a WWE fighter and shouldn't have been doing. Or he writes. I don't know.
A
I mean, he's. That's not gonna work.
C
Yeah, I doubt it.
D
Yeah, his dad. Sorry. He's a. He's an MMA fighter and not a pro wrestler and had no business being involved in the event.
A
Like.
D
Well, it sounds like some of them pass the buck onto the event.
A
Some of that. That, you know, was, you know, that's an argument you can make. It's pretty dubious, but all right. He doesn't have that experience.
C
It shouldn't work.
A
He's still. Based on that, we have video of 30 punches thrown to a guy who was, by the way, knocked unconscious when his head hit the canvas in the first place. So he never put his arms up or did anything. All right, what's the next story, sir?
D
Speaking of arms up, how much can y' all bench press?
A
Oh, God, nothing anymore. 240. When I was in high school or something, I played football.
C
I can do a little over my weight. I'm not bad.
D
When you were 33, though, what do you think you could bench press?
A
Well, let's see. If you put two regular sized plates on there, it'd be 45. 45. And then the bar was 45. That's 135. Right. And nobody should have ever had any issue with. With that. Like, nobody. Nobody would have any issue with doing reps. No man.
D
Women.
A
No man. No man of mine would have any issue. No. You might put on two plates and then two 10 pound plates and then you do sets or something like that. Or two 25 pounds.
C
I want 185. When I. Before I. My wrist like that without amount 185, I could do 10 reps a day. That. That was like the most. I've never tried to max out before.
D
You guys should. You guys should run as democratic socialists for mayor of New York City because.
C
Oh, I saw. Yeah, he need help with.
D
Oh, he needed help. Mayoral front runner. Oh, dear God, help New York. Zoran Mamdani struggled to execute a single unassisted bench press rep while attending a Men's Day open streets event in Brooklyn on Saturday over the weekend. This is another thing that was great on social media. He was called Mom. Scrawny. Yeah, apparently he said that he was going to do it. 135 pounds. So the 45. 45. And then like the bar, I guess, which I didn't even realize that a bar weighed 45 pounds. I don't think I could bench press 45.
C
Well, if it's up to him, the government will bench press for you.
A
That's right. We'll sue Big Bar.
D
So apparently he said he was a part of this event and we have video of it. This video is just crazy.
A
I mean, to be fair to the Zorhan or whatever.
D
Zoran.
A
Yeah, but I'm trying to think of that Adam Sandler movie.
C
Yeah, Zohan. Don't mess with the Zohan.
A
I think Zohan. Right, right. To be fair to him, for some reason his spotter just never let go. He just seemed to be.
D
He's literally holding it for him.
A
I get it. All right, well, let's watch.
D
I'm just saying, like he does it like three times.
A
This is how you move up in the pole. This is how you move up in the. Up in the pole.
C
Is it?
A
By the way, who are all these people? I mean, who are these people? How you move up in the poll? Yeah, right. Here's how you get nothing from a guy.
C
What is Kennedy bench? He could.
A
Oh, he'll do like a Miata.
C
Yeah.
A
I don't know why, why are we filming this? Like, who is this guy? What do we care?
D
Cuz he's a social media like, darling.
A
Yeah, let's go, let's go, let's go. I get it. But the other guy, just literally doing it for him. No, he did too.
C
But here's did too.
A
He's very proud of himself. But that's.
C
That's sad.
D
Oh, you know, it's the best.
A
I don't want to defend this guy, but I would. Look, I don't like to talk about riding a unicycle, but I know how to ride a unicycle. If I said to someone like, hey, we're going to do this photo op, they said, we're going to do a photo op and then you're going to ride the unicycle and impress everybody. I'd go, okay. And then he'd go, I'm gonna hold your hand the entire time you ride the unicycle. I'd go, don't do it. And they'd go, why? I don't want you to. I go, because then they won't think I can ride a unicycle. I'm just hanging on to you. And so I would tell the fucking retard who was doing the bench press.
D
Spotter, like, let go.
A
How about you let him try? Here's how spotting works.
C
But he seemed pretty happy to leave after 2. Oh, 2.
D
And that guy's like gripping it.
A
No, he's still a pussy and a communist and an asshole that's gonna destroy everything. Don't get me. And a weakling. Don't get me wrong. I'm just saying to the spotter, give him a chance. Let him try to push it up.
D
I think the spotter knew he couldn't and that he was like, well, I don't want this on video. And then I go to jail because I let a bar fall on Zohar.
C
You're supposed to help him.
A
First off, hold on a second. Any able bodied man in his 30s who is of average size, you would assume can do 135.
C
Yeah. You're supposed to do your weight or a little more. That should be normal. That's right.
A
So he's 100% 170 pounds. So 1/3.135 is like anybody, anybody, any.
D
Should be able to bench press more.
A
Any male can do it, right? That's right.
C
So if you exercise normally. Yeah, right.
A
So the guy should have assumed he could do it because it wasn't. It was. It's not a spot worthy amount.
C
It'll come out in a few weeks. It was really 220, you know.
D
Oh, gosh. So you know what else came out? Apparently the boots that he was wearing in that video are like close to $1,000 designer boots. And also at the end, that same men's day event, he went to like kick a soccer ball, but had to slip off his boots to do so.
A
Of course it's gonna look. It's all. First off, this stuff never goes any other direction. You know, his parents are wealthy, his mom's a big producer.
C
Everybody for socialism is literally right.
A
He just had a wedding with security and a million dollar bill.
D
He's accepting money from billionaires while saying that they shouldn't exist.
A
Right. The real. But here's the real question. The real question is whether. And I'm now saying this more and more, and I'm now turning on the citizens, which is Bernie Sanders has his thoughts. And there was a bunch of COVID thoughts and there was a bunch of Black Lives Matter thoughts, and now there's Zoran's thoughts and all this, like, fine, I get what they're doing. What the fuck are you people doing? Why do you support Bernie Sanders? Why? Why did you shut the beaches and not go the beach on Covid? Why'd you all get down with Black Lives Matter? Like, why are you guys supporting any of this? I'm talking to my fellow citizens I'm not talking about them. Bernie's are Al Gore. They're running a scam, they're running a grift. Al Gore's getting rich. Why are you funding his shit? You idiots. Why'd you listen to these idiots about COVID Why'd you listen to any of these people about anything? What are you people doing?
C
It's. Yeah. How bad do things have to get? That's always the question. Like, how wrong. How many times does Gore have to be proven wrong about the climate freaking out stuff? Over and over again, you were wrong. Here's the year has come and gone.
A
How many mansions can that guy own? How many planes can he have before you guys catch on?
D
How many massages?
A
Al Sharpton is just doing what Al Sharpton does. Yeah, Black community. Why are you supporting this?
C
He's out of a job. Things are going well.
A
That's what I'm saying.
C
But why?
A
At a certain point, we have to talk to the citizens and go, what the fuck are you doing? I get what they're doing.
D
I think that Eric Adams is kind of doing that. Like he was on MSNBC or he was on the Week and he was at least a cop and he was straight up asked like, I don't know. He was asked over the weekend, he should have said, yes, he is. Whether or not he thought Mamdani was an anti Semite. And he was like, well, if he isn't, he's. He's in dangerous territory. And I'm like, yes, yes.
C
Take it from the Jew on this panel. Yes.
A
Yeah, I do love it. I love all the. The squad. I love all the Ilhan Omar I love. We're not anti Semitic. We just exclusively say bad things about jizz.
C
Yeah, just about.
A
That's all we do. But we're not. And in no way do we believe.
C
Yeah, they're easy out is like AIPAC that says, oh, they give money. And I always feel like no one takes it once I go, okay, let's play it your way. AIPAC disappears tomorrow. Right. You know what would happen within 24 hours? You'd have everybody going, you know what? The Arabs have a pack. The Muslims have a pack. The communists have. Everybody has a pact. And you cheap Jews won't spend five to help a candidate that use. I guarantee. You guarantee that's the narrative that would be framed. You know that would happen.
D
Yeah.
C
So this is absurd. I go, that's the game. Yeah. It'd be great if there were no lobby groups, but there are, and they're just playing the game. And they give less money than these other ones. But that's the one you focus on, of course. Because that's your way to mask your Jew hating. It's easy. It's an easy out. And that's why they do it.
A
I agree, I'm an atheist. I don't have a Jew in the fight. But they're not. Here's. You know what? It's real easy for me. It's a super simple way that I get to. I sail through life this way. I go, who's the problem and who's not the problem? Who's the problem and who's not the problem? It's super easy. Hey, that black girl got stabbed but shot by the cop. I go, who's the problem? The cop's not the first off. The cop just showed up. Somebody was stabbing somebody. Yeah, it's not the problem.
C
It's what makes things even. I talked about this when I went to Iraq. I didn't expect this. I met this guy who. He was in logistics. They have a term victory through logistics. And I. He goes, how avi is that? What kind of name's that? I go, he's like, oh, I've been to Israel nine times. I don't algorithm. It was very helpful. I just. Yeah, because it helps American troops too. Like, I wouldn't have known that had I not gone. But you know, I was like, that's good for America. Like, it's easy for you to take these stances when you don't know any of this. But look, I just makes me laugh.
D
As the person that believes in God and is the Christian in the room. Like, there was just a study that came out that.
C
Big fan, by the way.
D
Israel. Israel is like the only friendly country to like Christians and women and gays in all of the Middle East.
C
Not even close.
A
But I do the same way with taxpayers. Like these fat cats not paying their. They're paying taxes.
C
Yeah, they pay more.
A
The other people don't. The homeless people don't pay taxes. So I'm not gonna include them as the problem. Cuz they pay the taxes.
C
Yeah. Thomas Sowell talks about this. He says, you know what happens historically when you raise taxes on the rich? He goes, they just don't pay it. He goes, they move. Or they structure their finances where they're paying less.
D
See California.
C
Yeah.
A
All right, Brad Kilgore is waiting out there. He's a pizza expert and a lot of thoughts about that. So he brings. Oh, yeah.
C
Oh, there you go.
A
Oh yeah, we'll Take a quick break all. Or maybe we'll figure out. Talk to Brad and we'll get the best. I got thoughts. First things about pizza. I will not feel ashamed of liking a Hawaiian style pizza. People want me to hang my head in shame.
D
Oh, ad on.
A
Hold on. First off, it's a pizza, and number one, it has Canadian bacon on it, which is killer.
C
Which is out for me, obviously.
A
Sorry.
D
But I like praise the Lord, I can eat it.
A
I love Canadian bacon, and I like it more than pepperoni. So it has Canadian bacon.
D
That's allowable.
A
Then they have added pineapple.
D
Gross.
C
See, that's what I want to say.
A
Pineapple gets added to many, many, many things historically.
C
But what's wrong?
A
And it is fine.
C
What has it improved that you've added to it?
A
If I barbecue. If I'm doing like, let's say coleslaw, and you put little pieces of pineapple in there.
D
Tastes tasty.
A
I enjoy that. See you Jews come to cheese.
C
This is why people hate you. We don't know anything. The Jews keep pineapple.
A
Pineapple helps things. A pineapple is a helpful food to me, so.
C
But not with the cheese.
A
I'm saying the addition of the pineapple cannot be a disqualifier because pineapple's pieces and parts are added to, like, barbecue and stuff like that. And it's good marinade.
C
To me, it's like raisins. Raisins on their own are fine. You put them in stuff, and I'm.
A
Just like, why sweet and sour chicken? When you get that little piece of pineapple in there, I'll give you, it's a delight.
D
It's not the pineapple and the Canadian bacon that's the problem. It's that they put them on a pizza with, like, dairy and soda.
C
Sweet dough.
A
Savory. But the whole thing about a. But here's the whole thing about sweet and sour pork. It's savory, but then you get the sweet in there. Sorry. I'm trying to do that.
D
So anti Semitic.
A
I'm not gonna hang my head. I'm not gonna apologize. I like it.
C
You know, you're at tuna on pizza. I had that in Europe, and I was like, this is actually not bad.
A
Oh, qanon pizza.
C
It's a. No. It's the only place I've ever seen it.
A
The Democratic senator says that pizza doesn't exist.
C
Who said that?
A
What's this? A fat guy?
C
I.
A
What the. Do you remember what's his name? Oh, God, the worst.
D
Shifty Schiff.
A
No, no. Who Was the guy Jerry Nadler? Oh, they asked Jerry Nadler about qanon or whatever or antifa or whatever. And he just went, that doesn't exist.
D
Oh, he said no, he said about antifa during the BLM ride. Yeah, yeah, right, right.
A
Yeah. Thank you for siding with antifa. Fat idiot. Anyway, I bet he'll eat any kind of pizza. I. I am. What's the pizza that has the big chunks of mozzarella on it like a margherita pizza? I'm done with the margarita.
D
Really?
A
People order it. I feel. They order it. Default. I feel like they go, we'll take the margarita. And they go, the margarita. Margarita.
C
If you're hungry and you got. I don't like it.
A
I'll take the Hawaiian over the margarita there. I say.
D
Really?
A
Say that like Mark Levin would say it.
C
The Hawaiian pizza.
D
No, say you're done with the margarita.
A
Done with the margarita.
C
You know, these people are. Margarita pizza, the Hawaiian.
A
Hold on. I'm taking the wine. And then you have to go. There. I said it. I don't care.
C
You know, people order these margherita pizza. I have no problem with margherita pizza. If you look at the history of it. And then you have this Hawaiian. That's right. I said it. Hawaiian pizza. These morons. I said it. Morons. You know something else, Mr. Producer? They've never even had that Hawaiian pizza. They know nothing about it. But these idiots. Idiots.
A
There you go. But I'm saying it like Mark Levin. I don't care. Get that goddamn margarita pizza out of my face. You guys just order it. Cause you're not creative and you don't know what to order.
C
They don't know the constitution or the menu.
A
They don't know it. I'm ordering the wine pizza. And I'm not apologizing. All right, well, break. We'll do Brad right after this. There, I said it.
C
Yeah, why not?
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Brad Kilgore's in studio. Brad, pull that mic up close to you.
E
Hey, how are you?
A
Good, man. So let's talk pizza and we'll get into it. We'll get a little more granular. First, your background. You start cooking at a diner at 12?
E
Yep, exactly. Born and raised in Kansas City. So suburbs of KC.
A
And when does pizza in Chicago start coming into your world?
E
I mean, pizza, probably at one point, I ate five, six days a week. Being like a young guy, you know, late night eats. Always loved it. But really, pizza became important when Covid hit and everyone was sitting at home. Frozen food and delivery.
A
And this is a pull up, lean up and pull up. Sorry my guys didn't help you with that. That. But yeah, better up on your mic. Yeah. Protocol there. So in the. What is the best pizza? Who makes the best pizza?
E
So subjective, right?
C
Yeah.
E
What are you looking for? Like, Neapolitan pizza is that thin crust that they make all the menu, like, order. And when it's right out of the oven, I think that's the best pizza. But within five minutes, it's floppy and sloppy and so you can't get at your house. You have to be at a restaurant.
A
What's the best toppings?
E
My. My brothers and I all stem from my oldest brother. Order something odd, but it's really good. It's like ground beef and jalapeno.
A
And that's our. I'll go with that. I like. I like sausage and onion.
E
Yep.
A
But then the question is, what kind of sausage? Crumbled sausage or discs of sausage?
E
The discs always seem, like super processed to me, even when I was young. But sometimes the crumbled ones, like, you want the artisan crumbled ones, Sometimes it becomes like a paste too, which is a little off putting, I think.
A
I like the disc, but only the good stuff. I like meatball on a pizza.
E
Meatball. It's the ground beef.
A
Oh, it's the ground beef, you're right. Yeah. I went to Mozza once. I was really excited about having a pizza. And their whole thing is we do meatballs as like an appetizer and then we do pizza. So I go, give me a meatball pizza. And they go, we don't do that. And then I got into the five easy pieces ones part where I was like, you have meatballs? Like, yeah, you do pizza, right? Take the meatball, put it on the pizza, and they're like, yeah, we don't do that.
E
I could go off on meatballs. I just opened a restaurant where the meatball is the center of the menu.
A
Really?
E
Yeah. And it's really big strategically for many reasons, actually.
A
I love a meatball.
E
I love a meatball. But I. I feel like conceptually they're better than most of the time when you get them, they're usually a little like, maybe Bouncy and maybe dry or not enough seasoning. And I, I basically R and D my meatball to fix all the things I didn't like about most of. What do.
A
What do you do to make a great meatball?
E
What was important is, like, everyone's trying to make it brown on the outside. They put it in a, A oven or they deep fry it a lot in restaurants, or they saute and you shake the pan to try to get the round sphere browned. During that process, you've basically overcooked your ground beef. And so that's why you get those dry, crumbly ones. So what I do is the opposite. I cook it to the perfect temperature that I want it so it stays juicy, which is like a little over medium if you're going to do burger attempts. And then I put a cheese fondue on top and I caramelize that with a blowtorch, which gives you that browning that you're, like, looking for in the fall. And then we call it the caramelized meatball.
A
What kind of cheese?
E
It's Parmesan Reggiano, like into, like, a fondue. But even more fun, we put in one of those foam guns. So it's like really fancy. Cheese whiz.
A
Oh, man. God, that sounds amazing. And you do a red sauce with that?
E
Yeah, just classic red sauce.
A
I don't know that you can beat the marinara and the red sauce and the meatballs and the spaghetti. I know it's boring childhood Americana stuff.
E
But that's my deserted island.
A
Yeah, I just can't do worse. I mean, do better, I should say. Where do you come down? No one does this here. But my dad would do it way back in the day when he'd do up the red sauce and the spaghetti and whatever the pasta was. Ricotta cheese. He'd weave in some ricotta, which is sort of. You don't need it, but when you get exposed to it, you kind of go, oh, okay, this is good.
E
Doesn't bring a whole lot to the table, but that, like, milky, which can be really creamy and delicious.
A
So, yes.
E
And I like, as much as I like a tomato sauce, I also like, like a vodka sauce has a little bit of cream in it and it's kind of same, same idea.
A
I'll tell you what is, man, I want Italian food. Now. Puttanesca sauce has snuck up on me recently. It's good, man. Like, people like the red sauce. I like the vodka sauce, but the puttanesca with the olives in it, that can Be really good.
E
These little elements of twang you were talking about, like pineapple.
A
Yeah, it's a little. It's got a little punch, a little zest in it, capers in there.
E
There's a little bit of chili flake. You know the backstory. You know what a puttanesca is?
A
Oh, it's like whore or something. Yeah.
E
So that was the dish they would make you in the whorehouse after you worked up an appetite.
A
It's good, man. Whorehouse or not. All right, so you are doing pizza. And so where'd you cut your teeth with pizza? Is that in Chicago?
E
I actually never worked at a pizza restaurant, per se. I did work at Little Caesars before I went on my fine dining. I'm a chef by trade, and so I've got restaurants on both coasts, domestic and internationally. But pizza's like, frozen. Pizza is my passion project, if you will, right now.
A
You have any restaurants in Los Angeles?
E
San Francisco.
A
Oh, San Francisco. Yeah. Now, you seem counter to this, but I'm gonna try, and I hope I don't offend you, but I started noticing probably in the early 2000s, that people were doing their own thing with food. Like, I would go, I want huevos rancheros. And then they'd give you a breakfast burrito. And then I'd go, that's not huevos rancheros.
E
I'd go, that's how we, like, reconstructed.
A
Yeah, we've reconstructed our. And I go, but I'm ordering huevos rancheros. And then I would order a club sandwich, and it would come on brioche bun, you know, And I'd go, I want a club sandwich. And they go, this is our club sandwich. And I was like, stop it. Stop it. You make your own sandwich, but don't call it this. And stop saying that. And then somebody told me all that shit was out of San Francisco. They started fucking everything up. And don't get me started on passion fruit iced. So now have they come around? Are we getting back? Is it a MAGA thing? Is it a thing where, like, we're getting back to the nuts and the bolts of food and we're not out thinking ourselves anymore?
E
I think a lot of things are doing that.
A
Yes.
E
And I'm known as a creative chef, but in the heart of my food, they're all, like, versions of classic. Because the classic, like, you're saying the tomato sauce with a little bit of cheese on pasta, it's hard to beat that. Yes, And I have that sentiment. I have that palate also. So when you close Your eyes and eat something off my menus. I want you to recognize it, but still be a little new.
A
Right. So the pizza. Now, I grew up. I don't know. Mama Celeste was probably who made the frozen pizzas back in the day. And, you know, they weren't very good. But the word, the one they sold the most, they may have sold the most of. I don't know if you guys remember this, but Stouffer sold a frozen French bread, whatever, which was just nothing but a log of French bread with some red sauce on it. And everybody ate those. I don't think anyone enjoyed them.
E
They're like rectangular.
A
They were like bricks. Yeah. And it just did it because you were stoned or whatever. Nobody cared.
C
Also.
A
When I grew up, there was a chasm between frozen food and fresh food. And we knew it. It was like, you're eating frozen food, what do you expect?
E
You know, it's lower quality.
A
Right, right. But now we've made.
E
Yeah. Packaging is way better. Blast chilling. We blast chill ours from the fresh, bake down to negative 40 in a very fast process. So it's keeps the integrity.
A
So like comes out of the oven. And do you wait for it to cool down, room temp, or do you blast freeze it when it's still hot out of the oven?
E
The machineries are so smart. They can control humidity while they're cooling it down. So they're basically pulling atmospheric humidity out and then bringing it down, which causes the bread to stay true.
A
Right. All right, I should sample this. What'd you bring?
E
All right, so this is Pizza Freak, our company, Pizza Frico. I got you a corner slice because the edge, that cheesy edge, we have a frame that we designed. It catches onto the cheese, and that's called a frico Italian.
A
And what's on this pizza?
E
This is just our classic cheese class three cheese blend.
A
And is this a sort of Chicago style, like a deeper dish? It's a little bit like what they.
E
Call Nona or Sicilian, but it would be in between that and Detroit. Detroit's are a little heavier, but you can see like the big air bubbles. It's because we make a sourdough. It's like a real bread and.
A
Mmm. That is good.
E
Thank you.
A
And where do you do your flour? Because all this talk about European flour and American flour and GMOs, and we.
E
Use the same exact high quality brand I use in my restaurants. It's called King Arthur. I worked at a three Michelin star restaurant. We use the same brand. And it's just Good stuff. It's American.
A
And did. So you do. First of all, you do, like medium and large and whatever. Is it just kind of one size?
E
One size. We have three times. Right now we've got a white pie where it's white sauce, like Alfredo. This is our three cheese. So classic red sauce. And then it's made in Philadelphia, where my partner and I created it. And. And they're known to love, like tomato pie. Excuse me, with no cheese on top. It's just tomato, olive oil, a little bit of oregano. So Those are our three SKUs, if you will.
A
And it doesn't taste frozen at all. Tastes fresh. You brought an air fryer here?
E
Yeah.
A
Is that the best way to heat this pizza up?
E
That was. Yes. Anything you have at home, that's why it works, because you take it frozen out of the freezer into whatever you have at your house.
A
Right?
E
Yeah.
A
So air fryer, work oven, whatever, or.
E
The regular house oven.
A
Yeah. Now I gotta bite the side part. Get the. Get the baked stuff on there. Mm. So.
E
And we have restaurants selling it now.
A
Breweries.
E
There you go.
A
Thank you.
E
Yeah, of course.
A
Selling it not to take home, but.
E
As a restaurant, like on a menu. Right. So it's. It's been helpful to the industry because it's a restaurant quality product that, you know, maybe a non chef can throw into an oven. And then we're in about two dozen grocery stores and growing in the retail.
A
So what does it retail for?
E
$16 to $18, depending on like the toppings or. Yeah, some retailers have their own. Own price.
A
So that's, you know, very reasonable. Who's selling the most frozen pizzas right now?
E
We. We see our competitors, if you will. And of course, we're. We're not a digiorno style brand or anything, but most of the stores we're in, the number one are. Are rao's, that, that famous restaurant out of Harlem that has a bunch of food products now and another one, I think, Ann's. A lot of them were in like artisan grocery stores. So they go from where artisanal products. But we just got a report that we are number one in sales for this whole chain that we're being sold through and half a dozen of their stores. So it's pretty cool.
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A
And at some point you expanded out into different styles. And like, I always like a New York slice. I like the thin, I like the thin crust pizza. This is really good because you use really good flour and like, you know what you're doing and stuff. I would tell people all the time. And then I would actually argue with people all the time, which I would say, look, they'd go like, you know, we gotta order a bunch of pizza for the crew and it's late and Domino's or Pizza Hut or whatever, they go, domino's. The only place that's open or delivers or whatever it is. And I would always tell them, get thin crust. And I would go, they'd go, oh, people don't want thin crust. I go, listen, listen to me. The sauce is the sauce, the cheese is the cheese. They're not gonna fuck it up that badly. But the crust is where they fuck up. So just get thin crust and eliminate as much crust as you can. By the way, when people would order thin crust from Domino's, they'd eat it and they'd go, oh, this is pretty good. Like, it wasn't bad. So I'd go, just get the thin crust.
E
I've been one of those guys before, too. Cause I want order of the pan pizza. And, and I like Domino's, though. I mean, I, I grew up eating Papa John's, you know, with their, their garlic butter sauce.
A
And did you ever. Did so Is there a thin crust in the future or does that work with what you're doing?
E
Probably not. Everyone else is doing that and we feel like we just want to drive in this direction where it's. It's a lot lighter than it looks too. Like it's not a dough.
A
Yes. No, you're not chewing on it a lot. And it's, I don't know, 14 inches by 14 inches or something like that.
E
14 by 10, exactly.
A
Oh, 14 by 10.
E
Yep.
A
I got good eyeballs.
E
And so, you know, you can feed a family with it.
A
Right.
E
That's the idea behind it, is that it's filling enough for you to sit down with your family and just like a full size pizza at the grocery store would be.
A
Yeah. And avoid the junk that's in a lot of pizzas.
E
The only thing in our food is food is something that we say. You read the ingredients, you know, all seven of them. You know, every one of these ingredients are made in America. So we take the pride, you know, our sourcing.
A
And so with the flash freezing, I mean, it can just go anywhere and taste like it just came from.
E
Came from Philadelphia.
A
Right. Now you bake it. You bake it when it's frozen? Yep. Right. It sits in an oven at 350 for how long exactly?
E
350, 20 to 22 minutes.
A
And would it be a shit show if you tried to use a microwave on it?
E
Cannot microwave something. You want to have any crispy element to it. It's just not how that works.
A
So fire up the oven, preheat the oven, go get the frozen pie. Don't even do it. Just put it in frozen.
E
I didn't preheat.
A
Put it at 350 for 20, 25 minutes and there we have it. Yeah. And your restaurant, what's the condition of restaurants right now? Like, how are we doing? There's a couple. It's like you hear about, well, this guy's closing and that guy's closing. Then you hear about this other place and there's a line going around the block. So what is it?
E
Been doing it since I was 10 or 12. Right. Been managing, owning for or half of that time. It's very difficult. And the status of the restaurants right now is that there's a lot of really good restaurateurs and chefs that have lost restaurants recently are on the cusp. I mean, operation costs are crazy. And, you know, you get 100 points, right? 100%. And if you start going up because your chemicals are going up and costs are going up like labor, et cetera. There's not much left at the end. It's not about shoveling cash in your pocket. It's about making it to the next payroll. Right. In Miami specifically, there's been some pretty ups and downs post Covid, a huge rush of people that came because, you know, it was open after Covid or whatever and a lot of people went back home and then in that three year window, everybody saw gold in their eyes and opened up a restaurant or a business of sorts. And now things have settled. There's just literally too many seats is.
A
Help hard to find these days.
E
I don't think it's any different in general. I don't think people are as passionate about, you know, their job. It's a little bit more in general. It's more transactional than it ever has been.
A
No, it's. Some asshole coined the phrase work, life, balance. And everyone went, yeah, I gotta get into that. And I'm like, not when you're 26. Yeah, you're supposed to be working and thinking about your hump. Later on you can think about the balance.
E
And that's not my interest. I think that's just work in general that's like that. But also, you know, some of these Internet jobs where people don't really go through blood, sweat and tears and they hit a jackpot and they tell everyone about it on their Instagram reel. And everybody wants to get a piece of that too.
A
Right.
E
I think it's. Every industry is getting that same issue. I'm lucky enough a lot of the people that come to work, work with me are passionate and that's why they applied to work with me in the first place. So I'm surrounded by a lot of great people.
A
Can't stop eating this pizza. Cool.
E
Thank you.
A
I don't like. Well, I'm not traditionally a fan of thick crust, but probably not had this good a thick crust before. And the crust is airy, it's not heavy, and it's thick if you throw a tape measure on it, but it's not thick in terms of its taste. Nailed it. Oh yeah. 14 by 10. What is again? There's no right, there's no wrong here. Pizza toppings. I feel olives are underrated. I like black olives on a pizza. I don't know why. It don't even taste like that much, but it's just something good about it.
E
Listen, I think I know I would love to cook for you one of these days because every time you mention it, it's something I Kind of like, call the kicker.
A
It's that pop.
E
It's that zing. And a lot of that comes from, like, ferment. Like, those olives have sat there in salt water and kind of, like, fermented into this zippy puttanesca full of capers and olives that give you that. That pop. And I like to play with that and cook like that. I also like bacon on my pizza. It's a slept on component, but that smokiness goes really well.
A
Well, I'm gonna say this about bacon, and I've said it before, but I'll say it again. I never thought when I was, like, 14 I would ever say the statement, I think we have enough bacon and we have enough porn, like, on everything. I just feel like. I feel like I can go. I'm literally burnt out on bacon, which is. Bacon was a novelty and kind of a treat and kind of weird to find. And it wasn't everywhere all. And it just started showing up.
E
Do you remember the Brussels sprouts and bacon on every menu? It was during that same time where everyone was reconstructing things, right?
A
And I was like, look, bacon is awesome. Bacon is almost an apology food, which is. They would say, like, you like calf's liver? And I'd go, no. And they go, what if I took a piece of bacon and wrapped it around and it's like, well, now. But it's the bacon I like. The bacon is helping me get the calf's liver down. But bacon was there to help out because people didn't want Brussels sprouts. So then they started putting bacon on Brussels sprouts. And then they.
E
For hundreds of years, bacon never made it off the breakfast table, right? And then all of a sudden, it was in all of it.
A
And I got to a point where it's like, you want the barbecue burger? We take three pieces of bacon. I'm like, I don't want any barbecue burger. I want a hamburger.
E
I'm from Kansas City, born and raised. I love barbecue. But putting, like, 4 ounces of sweet barbecue sauce on my burger and cheddar, like, get out of here. It's disgusting. It's never worked for me.
A
Kansas City ever have the Z Man sandwich?
E
The Z Man is the sandwich.
A
That is the sandwich. Yes.
E
Kansas City Joe's, now coined as Kansas City Joe's. It previously was Oklahoma Joe's.
A
Oh, yeah, the Z Man. Stop me if I'm wrong, but it's, like, literally built into the side of a gas station or something.
E
My dad grew up four Blocks from there. That's.
A
Yeah. Really?
E
So that's part of my family's history.
A
What is on the Z Man sandwich now? Just so you people know, when you're a comedian and you tour the country, you go to wherever place you go to, and then you go. What do they got here? Permantes. Oh, Been hearing about Permantes in Pittsburgh my whole life. You know what I mean? All right, we're going to Permantes because the show's at night. Go to Permantes. We're going to get to Zoom man or in KC When I land, I.
E
I drive straight there every time. When I go back home, when.
A
Yeah, when we're in Detroit, we're going to go to whatever dog in downtown, you know, and try the hot dog, you know, which I recommend. Try what they. What they do.
E
What's your answer to that here in la? Like, if I asked you, it's so.
A
Ubiquitous and out now, but you would traditionally go in and out. Burger.
E
Yeah, yeah. Which works.
A
Which works. And then there's people that like Pink's Hot Dogs. That's what I thought you might have said. But I've never been to Pink's Hot Dogs, so I don't know. But I definitely go for Carny's Hot Dogs. Cause Carny's. There's two ways you can do a dog. You can do the skinless ones and the one, you know, the ones that are. I like casing poached with a snap when I bite it. So I go Chicagoan style.
E
Chicago style.
A
Yeah, Chicago style with the snap and the rush of the juice with the casing.
E
You know, I don't know what the name of that pepper is on the Chicago dog end.
A
I don't know it either.
E
I don't know if it has a use on anything else but the Chicago dogs.
A
But Z Man, what is on a Z Man?
E
It's their overnight brisket. It's provolone cheese and then crispy onion rings on toast. Roasted garlic bread bun. Yeah, that's it.
A
Yeah. Well, they can't go wrong.
E
And their sauce is called Night of the Living Sauce. A little bit spice to it. I mean, you can get it shipped to your house.
A
Now the Z Man.
E
Yeah.
A
Is it gonna hold up like your pizza?
E
It's not the same. When you. At the restaurant. And I would say my pizza and it both ship well, because I've ordered. I've ordered it, I sent it as gifts. You can send the barbecue to, you know, a box to somebody you owe a favor.
A
Does it show up as a whole sandwich?
E
No, it's like deconstructed.
C
You.
A
You then assemble it. Yeah. Yourself.
E
They like, vacuum the brisket up.
A
It's good. All right, well, let me give you a plug. Pizza Freak Co, right?
E
Yeah.
A
Frozen pizza shipped to your door. PizzaFree Co.com it's good, man.
E
Thanks. Appreciate it.
C
It is good.
A
It's hard. It's hard to talk and stare at this stuff at the same time. All right, you can go to AdamKroll.com for all the live shows. We're going to be in Provo, Utah doing some dry bar shows this Friday and then it's off to Torrance. And then it's off to Charlotte, North Carolina and El Paso. Just go to AdamKroll.com for all the live shows. Brad, we got frozen pizza shipped right to your door. Pizza free company is where you go for that. Leisha Krause, she's got her column out on the Washington Examiner. And Avi Lieberman, stranger gigs is the name of the book. Until next time, the sound of Corolla saying mahalo.
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The Adam Carolla Show – August 26, 2025 Episode Summary: Rampage Jackson’s Son Brutally Attacks Opponent + Zohran Mamdani’s Bench Press Fail + Avi Liberman & Chef Brad Kilgore
In this lively, freewheeling episode, Adam Carolla is joined by comedian Avi Liberman, chef Brad Kilgore, and news correspondent Alicia Krause. The show covers a wide range of topics: Avi’s stories from a life in stand-up, the viral story of Rampage Jackson’s son’s violent outburst at a wrestling event, New York mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani’s gym fail, shifting trends in comedy, and a deep dive into the craft of pizza with chef Brad Kilgore. Adam and his guests blend humor and insight with personal anecdotes and topical takes, creating an engaging and fast-paced discussion.
[01:46 – 32:13]
Avi’s Book & Career
Memorable Gigs for the Military
“They set up some chairs and a couch, throw us a broomstick and go, 'here’s your mic.' The lead pilot’s like, 'I gotta go in ten minutes.' He goes, 'we’ll do five minutes each.' We did that. They laughed. We laughed. They thanked us, we thanked them. I wouldn’t trade that experience for any TV appearance.” – Avi ([03:10])
“One guy after a show in Iraq comes up... Congratulations, you just saved some lives today.” – Avi ([04:36])
Open Mic and Club Culture
“Who wants to follow this? ...He’s gonna be up there for 35, 40 minutes... Thank God I’m done.” – Avi ([15:25])
“The only guy I ever saw who really felt, Ray Romano comes in, 'If you have some time for me, it’s ok but if not, I don’t want to bump.' He was so gracious.” – Avi ([15:46])
[20:30 – 32:13]
Trends: Crowd Work & Roasts
“Crowd work can vault your career... You have one organic moment that can become a big deal. It’s social media. It’s changed it.” – Avi ([21:26])
“Writing jokes sucks. It’s hard. But to really get it right can be a huge pain... But to write really good jokes is something I think any comic is more proud of.” – Avi ([25:08])
Developing Authenticity
“…I realized if my own agent views me that way, I might as well embrace it. And then all of a sudden, I became the Israel guy…” – Avi ([27:12])
Impact of Social Media
[35:18 – 47:56]
Avi’s Spot-On Mark Levin Impression
“There’s no middle ground with him. It’s 0 to 100… These people, they have not read the Constitution because if they did, they’d have a stroke…” – Avi ([35:53])
Behind-the-Scenes Tales
“That was a game he’d play to see if he could get celebrities to just sit there...” – Angie (Man Cow’s producer, as recalled by Adam) ([44:26])
[47:56 – 73:11]
[47:56 – 61:50]
Incident Overview
Discussion: “The Switch”
“Once the dog hits me and takes me down... I said, so how do we unthrow this switch? He goes, ‘I kick him in the ribs as hard as I can.’ It’s a switch. When I saw Rajah Jackson on top of that guy, I was like, oh, the switch has been thrown.” – Adam ([60:36])
[65:26 – 71:14]
The Video
“Any able-bodied man in his 30s… can do 135. That’s not a spot-worthy amount.” – Adam ([69:09])
Social Media Optics & Hypocrisy
[82:42 – 107:41]
Background and Craft
Best Pizza Practices & Toppings
“The addition of pineapple cannot be a disqualifier... pineapple’s pieces and parts are added to, like, barbecue and stuff like that. And it’s good." – Adam ([76:19])
Restaurant Industry Realities
"Not when you're 26. You're supposed to be working and thinking about your hump. Later on you can think about the balance.” – Adam ([101:11])
[88:10 – 107:41]
Deconstructing the Restaurant Scene
Regional Sandwiches & Comfort Food
On Gigs That Matter:
On Open Mics:
On Young Comics Copying Trends:
On Pop-Ins by Superstar Comics:
On the ‘Switch’ in Fights (Jackson Incident):
On Trends in Food:
| Section | Timestamp | |---------------------------------------|--------------| | Avi Liberman Stand-Up Stories | 01:46–32:13 | | State of Comedy / Roast & Crowd Work | 20:30–32:13 | | Mark Levin Impression & Radio Stories | 35:18–47:56 | | News - Rampage Jackson’s Son | 47:56–61:50 | | News - Bench Press Fail | 65:26–71:14 | | Broader News & Commentary | 71:14–75:06 | | Pizza & Food with Brad Kilgore | 82:42–107:41 | | Restaurant/Retail Food Insights | 99:31–107:41 |
This episode delivers a classic blend of Adam Carolla’s unfiltered comedy, personal anecdotes, and cultural commentary. From the grind of stand-up to viral sports brawls and foodie deep dives, listeners get both laughs and sharp insights. The guests—Avi Liberman, Alicia Krause, and Brad Kilgore—bring humor, expertise, and personality. The episode’s highlights are the candid comic war stories, Adam’s take on social “switches” in violence, trenchant jabs at public figures’ physical failings, and a mouth-watering, nerdy look at pizza’s evolution.