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Adam Carolla
Welcome to Corolla Classics. I'm your host, super fan Giovanni. This is the podcast we play with best moments, highlights and fans like the clips from all 16 years of the Adam Corolla Show. We have a companion podcast titled Corolla Classics available exclusively through Podcast One Premium. You can find the entire Ad Free archive, check out Podcast one Plus and if you'd like to find the Ad free archives for the Adam Carolla show or the Adam and Dr. Drew show, or if you're looking for exclusive access to the brand new podcast Beat it out, make sure to check out Adam Corolla substack adamcorla.substack.com and if you'd like to request a clip, Please email us classicsdamkurolla.com Today's episode is in memory of Charlie Kirk, two time ACS guest appearing in 2019 and 2020. Adam really liked the guy. Adam appear on his show. The ACS has a tradition of honoring past guests, a kind of immemorium if you will. Sometimes it's old age, sometimes it's accident. Rarely is it something so violent. He was a guest on the show. Fans really liked him. Adam liked him. It's actually been happening more and more as I'm remastering Old Loveline. I just read it 20 years prior, August 2005. In that month we have Bob Saget along with Jameson Jones, a Make a Wish recipient, also no longer with us. The acs is approaching 4,000 episodes with thousands of different guests, especially if you include the 715 episodes of the Morning show on top of the 4,000 episode of the dedicated podcast. Some of those guests carried over from Loveline. Some were new people who appeared, much like Charlie Kirk who showed up in 2019. This is from the Gina Grad era. Bald Bryan's there as well. He comes in and he actually debates a staff member. But back in the days of Will Bryan or Andrew eat it and Dylan was around. Dylan, I guess, was chosen to be the dedicated liberal on staff and they had Charlie versus Dylan as a bit. They were planning more of a dynamic guest booking than traditionally done. I was just gonna cut this one at the end of the first segment without the news, but Charlie actually stuck around for the news and had some fun, so I thought it'd be really cool to include that too. Coming up first we have Adam Carlosau, 2617 featuring Christy Canyon. Not in this portion. Charlie Kirk, Gina Grad and Brian Bishop. This one's from 2019. Charlie in studio.
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Brian Bishop
Good day Gina Grad. Good day to you Handball. Brian, why haven't you mastered the accordion?
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Christy Canyon
I'm working on it.
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Brian Bishop
All right, so Charlie Kirk's gonna come in here. He's a young guy, he's conservative. And I said to Dylan, you're a young guy, you're liberal. Why don't you debate?
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Christy Canyon
Oh, boy, that'll be lively. Dylan was very clear with us in the green room for the show. Like, I'll just be bringing up topics to discuss.
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Dylan
This is not a debate.
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Brian Bishop
Well, we're not. We're calling. I just said pick. Pick three subjects. Let Charlie give his approach or his take on one, and then you can give your take on the other. You won't be cutting each other off. It'll just be a young conservative perspective and a young liberal perspective. And we'll hear what the takes are, and we can pierce and choose the ones, the bits and pieces we like from both.
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Christy Canyon
I like it a la carte.
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Brian Bishop
So we have that coming up. Well, we're back with Charlie Kirk, founder and president of Turning Point usa. He's got a podcast, the Charlie Kirk Show, Tuesdays and Thursdays on Podcast 1 and Apple Podcasts as well. Good to see you, Charlie Kirk.
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Charlie Kirk
Thanks for having me. Big fan.
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Brian Bishop
Oh, thanks. Charlie is the founder of Turning Point usa. You did not go to college.
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Charlie Kirk
That's right. I got distracted along the way.
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Brian Bishop
Was. It's weird because I always feel like everyone who finds. Is a founder of something went to college at some. Or at least something political, went to college, and then found it on the college campus. So how did your path work?
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Charlie Kirk
It's an unusual one. My whole lifelong kind of ambition was I wanted to go to West Point. Ended up not working out when I was in high school and getting denied ended up being the best thing that ever happened to me.
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Brian Bishop
And.
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Charlie Kirk
And I kind of turned to my parents and I said, I want to take six months off before entering college to start an organization to try to save our generation from what I thought was going in the wrong direction. And it's been a long six months. As I like to say, it's been seven years. Learned a lot, and it's really now grown to 1400 high school and college campuses across the country. And I guess the great irony of it, Adam, is you can start a college organization without actually going to college.
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Brian Bishop
That's. I feel my feeling with most stuff is it is created through something else. So I've always said the reason the Octagon and UFC is so popular is because we've gotten so soft and so snowflakey. On one side that it literally gave birth to this thing. My feeling on guys like you and Ben Shapiro having so much success and other names in that world on the right side of the aisle, conservatives having so much success so fast, were so many of the crazy ideas that were coming from the hard left actually created an industry like when we lived in the middle. I guess it's like a pendulum. It's like when everything. The pendulum's sort of in the middle. We don't need. We don't need that swing to the right. When it gets too far out to the left, then it swings out and turns guys like you and Shapiro and other guys like that into household names in a relatively short period of time.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, I was going to use the word pendulum. That's exactly right. I don't believe I'm saying anything that controversial or bombastic when I go to these campuses, but it's treated as such. And there's all. Then there's this uproar and there's controversy that really doesn't exist that's built around it. And I would like to think the positions I have are reasonable and that are able to build consensus. But you said it best. It's the Overton window. The goalposts have moved where now somebody like myself or Shapiro and these great, you know, talkers and kind of writers and thinkers of this time that are kind of in the more younger demographic are able to accelerate onto the stage quite quickly as a reaction to something else. And you see the culture swing one way in the wrong direction, and something that might not have seemed so radical 20 or 30 years ago gets treated, I think, incorrectly at times, but also is able to gain a tremendous amount of popularity.
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Christy Canyon
Where does the pendulum go from here? Because when you started the organization, you were pushing against something, right? You were the underdog, you were the up and comer, the whatever. Now that the pendulum sits firmly in your court, you know what I mean? Where does it. Where does it go?
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Charlie Kirk
Somewhat. I mean, somewhat.
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Christy Canyon
You have the presidency.
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Charlie Kirk
Well, not college campuses. I mean, we're highly focused on the culture on college campuses that we're definitely happy with. Obviously, the current president and what he's achieving, what he's doing. However, the culture on college campuses have worsened since he got inaugurated. They've become more intolerant. Students have become much softer. Anti Americanism is on the rise. Freedom of speech is completely under assault. Adam and I are both in the documentary no Safe Spaces, where a lot of this is kind of chronicled and cataloged in ways that I Encourage everyone to check it out because it's so stunning what some of these campuses are now, what they've become. And they're not marketplaces of ideas or areas where freedom of expression is embraced.
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Brian Bishop
Well, for me, doing the movie and keeping an eye on things, when it gets in any culture, in any time of any civilization, when it hits its critical mass part is when there's such thing as a sort of shark feeding frenzy where there's like a dead, dead whale and it's floating out, it's seeing a bunch of sharks get around it and they get into like a feeding frenzy, which is to be expected when you got that much protein floating around in the sea. But at some point the sharks will get so frenzied that they start biting each other, not the whale. And so when you take these guys like on the Evergreen campus and the Weinstein, the, the professor, he rides his bike in, he's got his little Jew fro, he's super liberal and he rides his mountain bike. When that guy's running serpentine, being chased by an angry mob who says he's not welcome on campus, that's the sharks biting each other. That's the turning point. That's where the sharks have jumped the shark. That's where it's. No, we're now starting to eat our own. Which it's not good for the movement. It's probably good if you're Charlie Kirk. I mean, but it's not good if you're on the left side of the aisle where we're calling Joe Biden a racist. But the same people that are calling Donald Trump a racist are calling Joe Biden a racist or anyone who disagrees with them on their side of the aisle a racist. That's when the sharks are biting the sharks. I assume this is all gonna kind of get sorted out as we head toward the election because at this point it's Joe Biden claiming he's not a racist.
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Gina Grad
Yeah.
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Charlie Kirk
I don't see it self correcting before the election. I think it's only gonna be exacerbated.
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Brian Bishop
Well, but it'll have to. Something will have to come out of the other side at some point.
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Gina Grad
Yeah.
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Charlie Kirk
And where that voice of reason will stand up and start to at least push back a little bit. I mean, the opposite of what Donald Trump does is not always the correct thing for a leftist position. I think that's a reasonable position to have. And it seems as if whatever he says, they must believe the opposite. And that is a really bad equation to build the party Around.
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Brian Bishop
I agree. I think pick and choose the stuff you want to do and do it. And some of it may be versions of what Donald Trump is doing. But that's gonna happen in any political forum. You're always gonna have somebody say, I want to lower taxes or I want to beef up the border or I want to do something for schooling. Or you take infrastructure. I want to do something for infrastructure. You can go, I agree with my opponent across aisle. We should sturdy up these bridges. You can do that and then you can go, here's how I'd like to do it. You don't have to knee jerk disagree with everything because that's just gonna create. That's gonna create. I think what you're gonna do when you do that, you're in danger of losing votes. Cuz I think the American people go, I disagree with Trump about X, Y and Z, but I do agree with him on PD and Q. And if you're on the other side of the aisle, you figure out which ones they agree with, run on that and then add your own X, Y and Z's.
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Charlie Kirk
Our whole thesis is where does this start? It starts at the universities.
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Gina Grad
Where does it start?
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Charlie Kirk
Where you can't possibly agree with a conservative or you can't hear the other side. Welcome to American colleges where other ideas are rejected wholeheartedly, where speakers like myself and Shapiro are kicked off campus or disallowed from speaking altogether. Or the Evergreen example is a perfect one where you have someone who's on the left, Weinstein, who is far from a right winger, literally get chased off campus and get fired because he has a position that wasn't as radical as the monolithic administrative, you know, left wing viewpoint. So.
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Brian Bishop
Well, his interview in no Safe Spaces was sort of rattling because first off, him and his wife look like central casting kind of liberal hippies. Like is that they fit the bill, you know what I mean? They didn't look like Chuck Heston. They weren't sitting there cleaning a gun with a crew cut from a cold head. A little Nebuchadnezzar, as we said, they look that way. Evergreen, My God. What I've learned most from watching the no Safe Spaces is I want to go to Evergreen and work as a fucking janitor. It's the greatest looking college. It's nestled amongst the pines. He's riding his mountain bike to work every day. It's like, this is the sweetest. I'm. This guy is no right winger. And he's simply explaining that he went to his class on the day so.
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Charlie Kirk
There was the day where no white people.
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Brian Bishop
Yeah, the black students stayed home, stayed away from campus on one day, but it's some. And he'd been teaching there for a number of years and was fine with that. All right. On this day in April, there are no black students, and it's fine. And then the next year, I mean, after 10 years of that or X amount of years of that, they said, by the way, this year, no white people are showing up. We're not gonna be there. And you can't be there either. And he's a lonely Asian kid. They may have been grandfathered or Papa sand in he, as a classic liberal, not a leftist, but a liberal, said, wait a minute, that's kind of racist. And I'm doing my job and I'm just gonna show up because now you're morphing this into a different form of oppression. So he showed up. And when he showed up, all hell broke loose. And the next thing you know, he was basically barricaded in his class and essentially running for his life. And the next day he was like, showing up. People are following him, and the cops are saying, like, we can't help you get out of there. Like, it's a little bit crazy when you think of what started the whole thing. This wasn't. I get the part where the white cop unloads the clip on the black teen who didn't have a gun on him. And the community's going, this is a liberal college and a liberal professor. Been there for a number of years, simply showing up to teach on a day. And for that, he physically was in. He was in danger. It was. It's a crazy. And again, that's jumping. That's jumping the shark. And I would argue it's hurting the cause. Whatever the cause is, it's not helping.
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Charlie Kirk
The cause, cannibalizing him.
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Brian Bishop
And you're taking one of your own who is squarely in your corner. For all history. This guy's been a bleeding heart liberal for 40 years, and now you pushed him out of your group.
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Dylan
That's it. That's exactly it. That's actually something. Charlie, I was wondering about sort of your community, because I've been saying this for a long time, and I know Adam has, and I've been agreeing as well that there's something wrong with the left that is now deciding you. You ally. You're not our ally anymore. Get out of here. You're not with us anymore. People who are trying to support people are trying to be there and, you know, support Other people. I'm wondering, on sort of that other side, is that an issue? Is it picking and choosing allies?
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Charlie Kirk
Not as much. I mean, I think we can say we've done anything but that. I mean, I'll go around on a college campus speaking to her with Dave Rubin. And Dave is.
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Dylan
Dave's great.
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Charlie Kirk
He calls himself a liberal. I don't know if he is or not, but I think he's more to the center Right than others. But we don't agree on every issue. We actually disagree on some big issues. But I'll literally go on a campus tour with him. And we have a rule at every single campus event that I do, which is if you disagree, you go straight to the front of the line and you ask the first question, and then the person after that better be another disagreement. We only want to hear about people that disagree. And if there's no one that disagrees, we try to extract it from the audience and give people the kind of the permission and the courage to get to the front of the line. And then at the end of the event, I always ask the same question. I've done over 50 of these. When a liberal came and spoke on campus, did they ask conservatives to go to the front of the line? Never. Never. And so the guiding thesis that the left, not liberals, but leftists, hate the idea that there are other ideas, that they want to be the only voice in the room, not want to have a whole marketplace of ideas. And there is a difference between leftists and liberals. I want to make that distinction.
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Brian Bishop
Yeah, Dave Rubin. The idea that you could have any issues with a guy like Dave Rubin is insane. And then if you. That lets me know you're not a reasonable person, because I find him amongst the most reasonable human beings. And anybody, no matter what side of the aisle you're on, you just can't have a problem with Dave Rubin and a good soul.
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Charlie Kirk
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Dylan
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Brian Bishop
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Charlie Kirk
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Brian Bishop
There was this Ayanna Pressley clip that you can look for Max, but she was like, we need black voices to be black and we're tired of black faces that aren't giving black voices. She was giving this whole speech about if you're Black, you better be black. Like, we want you to be black, and if you're brown, you better be brown. How. We want you to bring no more tolerance for basically human beings who disagree with us. You're out. Especially if you're black or brown or you're gay. So Dave Rubin is gay, and I think he's married. He is married and he disagrees with Ayanna Presley. So he's out. Like. Well, he is out. Yeah, I was gonna say you're out of Hunger Games. Hold on. I thought, is there tolerance? What? Why can't he disagree with you? And does anybody ever.
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Christy Canyon
Viewpoints the Rainbow. Everyone's invited, right?
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Brian Bishop
Does anybody? Has anyone? Here's what always drives me nuts. Has anyone ever thought about how insanely pompous it is to take a microphone and get behind a microphone and go, I'm tolerant and I welcome all viewpoints. But if you're not down with my viewpoint, you are out. Like, really, you're. I know we all kind of think that in a weird way. Like, we all have a. Have a. Like we have a. Think like, I love lasagna. And then you go, I don't care for lasagna. And I go, what the fuck is wrong with this?
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Christy Canyon
I don't like what you don't like.
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Brian Bishop
All right, I'm not going out to Italian with you, but I don't yell at you.
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Christy Canyon
No, don't bring the viewpoint in here.
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Dylan
Only when it comes to tacos, bring.
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Brian Bishop
A pan of Stouffer.
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Christy Canyon
So the guy who screens my tacos.
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Brian Bishop
The top of his lungs, you know, you agreed with me anyway. How dare you? So we'll see if we can find that clip. Dylan is going to come in. It was just a couple days ago. Max Apata. I think it was her explaining. It's kind of. It's scary talk in that it's you're with us or you're against us. And it's a kind of a. It starts bleeding into religion, which is, as an atheist, when somebody says, look, you're either down with Christ or you're against him. And I'm like, how about a third option where I just get along, take care of my kids and pay my tax? No, no. There's elements of that in Islam, like, hey, I'm not in that. Well, then you must be destroyed. Like, it's like, no, no, you have.
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Christy Canyon
To accept Jesus Christ as your savior.
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Brian Bishop
Get in heaven, right? My feeling is, get that drop with me or against me. But there's a third option, which is somebody disagrees with me. Is that okay? Your high? Are we allowed to just disagree with you? It's so pompous, it's insane. The second most pompous and insane thought ever is I disagree with that person, saying I must get them removed from their job. They're no longer allowed to work.
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Charlie Kirk
This is happening in real time. I mean, it's happening all over our culture. I mean, the left has become experts at product boycotts of anyone they disagree with. Tucker Carlson's a great example of this on Fox News. I mean, he has some different opinions. You might agree with him or disagree with him. But the amount of advertiser boycotts that have been enacted by the left in the last couple weeks just because they disagree with what he has to say is remarkable. Laura Ingraham, who has a podcast on Podcast one, she's been subject to boycotts of the exact same nature. People on the right, we don't do that. I mean, when people like Don Lemon says that Antifa's a great, you know, or Chris Cuomo, excuse me, says Antifa is a great organization that's fighting for terrific things, meanwhile they're beating the crap out of journalists up in Portland. I mean, they don't lose advertisers. And there's only one side that's tolerant in this conversation.
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Brian Bishop
Ben Shapiro always brings up this point, which is off the top of my head. Ring doorbell advertises on Ben Shapiro and it advertises on Don Lemon Show. They don't care. They want to spread their product out to diverse group. And it makes sense if you have. Now if you're doing something like, you know, survival kits and powdered eggs, that may be a little more, a little more hannity. But if you're trying to sell back stretchers or ring doorbells or gold, gold or gold silver, number of coins, you're trying to do plates, you're trying to do Blue Apron, Just do them both. So the whole thing is like you don't have to get ring doorbell to boycott Ben Shapiro. Ring doorbell does Ben Shapiro. But then he also does they do Rachel Maddow. So just let him just advertise where they want to advertise. And the people that are watching on either one of those entities may or may not get a ring doorbell. Why? Seems again, seems very narcissistic to announce ring doorbell. You may advertise with this gal, Rachel Maddow, because I approve of what she says, but not him because I disapprove of what he says. What do we have on there? Oh, we have, we Have a. There's a tape of her saying it. A recording of her saying it. Max Pata. Sorry. All right, let's see. Do we have. Well, let me. Take care. She was at the Netroots nation conference, I guess, on Saturday. We're talking about Ayanna Pressley, and she. Congresswoman. What is her. Oh, you would know. Charlie, right?
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, she's a congresswoman. I don't remember actually where she's from.
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Brian Bishop
Massachusetts. Yeah.
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Charlie Kirk
She was a former Boston city council member.
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Brian Bishop
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Charlie Kirk
Onions and olives.
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Max Apata
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Brian Bishop
Castrolchallenge.
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Christy Canyon
If you had the opportunity to do.
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Brian Bishop
Just one of the following races, which would you choose?
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Charlie Kirk
24 hours of Le Mans, Monaco Grand.
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Brian Bishop
Prix, Indy 500, or Daytona 500.
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Charlie Kirk
Get itowned.
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Brian Bishop
Ooh. All right. Well, get rid of the Daytona 500. That's stock cars. Now, obviously, Indianapolis 500 is insane, but because of my cars and my history, Monaco F1 race. Crazy. Going through the streets of Monaco and through the tunnel and everything. And just literally with the bay on one side and Princess whoever, Caroline up in the balcony, but very intense. It's between that and the 24 hours of Le Mans. And I'll go 24 hours of Le Mans because that's a bucket list item for me. And since I have Paul Newman's car that won its class in 24 hours of Le Mans 1979, I will put that on there. They have a Petit Le Mans and they have a revival Le Mans, which you can enter every two years at LeMans in your vintage Le Mans car, which I'll be shooting for.
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Dylan
What makes it petit? Is it 12 hours?
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Brian Bishop
I think, the way they do it. And it's kind of interesting. It's the 24 hours of Le Mans. There might be five or six different run group classes, and the race is 24 hours. But you go out and race in your run group for an hour, then you come back and the other four or five groups run, and then you get back in your car five hours later and do another hour.
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Dylan
Well, rest and refresh.
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Brian Bishop
Right. So it Takes place over the course 24 hours. But you don't have to run for 24 hours straight, which is tough on you. It's. It's tough on the machinery. And some of these cars are worth 50 million bucks, so they don't want to break them as much.
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Christy Canyon
Take it easy.
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Brian Bishop
You have the Ayanna Pressley clip, which. Talking about brown being brown.
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Dylan
If you are not prepared to come to that table and to represent that voice, don't come.
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Brian Bishop
Because we don't need any more brown faces that don't want to be a brown voice. We don't need black faces that don't.
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Dylan
Want to be a black voice. We don't need Muslims that don't want to be a Muslim voice.
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Brian Bishop
We don't need queers that don't want.
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Dylan
To be a queer voice. And if you're worried about being marginalized.
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Brian Bishop
And stereotyped, please don't even show up.
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Dylan
Because we need you to represent that voice.
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Brian Bishop
All right, well, Dave Rubin, you're out. Buck, you ain't doing that voice.
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Charlie Kirk
And Candace Owens, she's out.
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Brian Bishop
Candace Owens is definitely out.
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Gina Grad
Yeah, it's interesting approach, but I'm saying.
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Charlie Kirk
What an unbelievably racist thing to say that you can only have one viewpoint. If you're a specific skin color, it.
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Brian Bishop
Is quietly pretty racist. And if you did that with white people, it would be considered insanely racist. So I don't get why people say that so freely, but I guess that's the time we're living in no recourse. Well, it is interesting that many of the concepts. I feel many of the concepts of racism are racist. Like when you're calling somebody a racist because they don't. You're calling a black guy basically not black because he doesn't think like you think. That's a pretty racist statement to say. To say this Candace Owens is not a real black person. It's kind of a. It's at least close minded, I would say.
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Gina Grad
It's totally.
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Charlie Kirk
I mean, the textbook definition of racism is prejudice or discrimination based on the color of somebody's skin or their racial heritage. And that would. That's exactly what she was doing. She said that if you don't think the way. It's the essence of what she was saying. We don't need black people to not be a black voice, which she's saying black voice is only the progressive voice, that there's no other voice except what she believes. And that's pretty dangerous and troubling.
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Brian Bishop
I agree. All right, we have Dylan out There we have our topics. Abortion, gun control and energy. Those are the topics I told Dylan to pick.
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Charlie Kirk
That's good, Charlie.
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Dylan
A little harder.
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Brian Bishop
Charlie probably does a lot of this for a living. So I told Dylan, should we take.
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Christy Canyon
A break or just go right into it according to.
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Dylan
Go right in.
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Brian Bishop
Go right into it according to me. I told Dylan, you pick the subject, pick ones you're comfortable with and I'll give you the night to think about it. And we'll tell him to Charlie when he gets here.
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Charlie Kirk
I've had 35 second head notice. Actually more than that. Three minutes.
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Christy Canyon
Yeah, speak about this shit every day.
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Gina Grad
Silly.
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Max Apata
The whole thing.
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Gina Grad
Silly.
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Brian Bishop
All right, now listen, don't walk your points back before you make them. Make your points. We'll put. We'll hit abortion. So heavy. Let's hit energy first.
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Max Apata
I want to hit abortion.
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Brian Bishop
Well, I'd like to punch abortion too, but I said abortion is so heavy. Let's start with energy strong. Finish with abortion and abortion will be the dessert.
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Dylan
My God.
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Brian Bishop
So we'll start Max Apata with the energy. I'll. I'll give you. I don't know, we'll give two minutes. Make your statement on energy and would you like to go first or second or Charlie, would you like to go first?
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Max Apata
I would like to deliver a quick preface. I know that I'm not the greatest mouthpiece for the liberal spectrum of ideology cuz I work in podcasts and smoke a fair amount of pot. I mean he's a media trained youth activist, so we get it.
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Christy Canyon
Public speaker.
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Dylan
Anyway, we know who we're dealing with, Dylan.
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Brian Bishop
Right.
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Gina Grad
So.
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Christy Canyon
It'S almost like I've been set up to fail.
- [28:57]
Brian Bishop
Almost.
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Max Apata
I asked Adam that yesterday, but he says no. So at Turning Point, you guys are, I don't want to say in love with fossil fuels, but you're an advocate of fossil fuels. I'm wondering. For me, I feel like that industry's stranglehold on our progress forward is really, really damaging. I'd like to see us transition to cleaner energy way faster because to me it's a win win. We get out of the Middle east, there's tons of new job opportunities. If we start these new industries, who knows, maybe we can be a world leader in this stuff. And the jobs don't get outsourced. They're all here. I don't know why we don't expedite this process. And I don't know where you stand on how fast we should get there.
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Brian Bishop
Cleaner energy like solar, wind.
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Max Apata
Yes.
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Brian Bishop
Sorry, I'm just trying to help you along. All right.
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Charlie Kirk
Well, first of all, the United States is now the number one net exporter of natural gas and oil in the world for the first time ever. That should be applauded and appreciated. The experiment with wind and solar has had some successes and some huge failures. I mean, Solyndra was probably one of the most evident that you could remember in the last couple years. That was $500 million of government subsidies put towards solar as a total and complete failure.
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Max Apata
Yeah, absolutely.
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Charlie Kirk
I'm not against the idea of wind and solar at all. I would just wanted to see how it could be economical. There are certain grids where that can be done with solar. Good luck doing that in New Hampshire in January. I mean, fossil fuels and the war on fossil fuels on the left is really rooted in the idea of that. They don't like the fact that fossil fuel companies predominantly donate to conservatives.
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Gina Grad
That's really what it's all about.
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Dylan
That's true, yeah.
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Christy Canyon
Pretty absurd.
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Charlie Kirk
Then let's talk about it's finite.
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Christy Canyon
Explain how it works.
- [30:49]
Charlie Kirk
Well, let's talk about it then. What, what is the war on fossil fuels.
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Max Apata
It's damaging to the planet.
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Charlie Kirk
It's finite. We're going to ride how.
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Gina Grad
Let's break that apart.
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Charlie Kirk
How is natural gas not sustainable? We have enough natural gas for the next 550 years, and we're only going to become more efficient using it. And we haven't even discovered probably 10% of the natural gas depositories in America.
- [31:08]
Brian Bishop
Where do we.
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Max Apata
Where do we get the natural gas from the Earth?
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Christy Canyon
But where physically do we get it?
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Charlie Kirk
In people's backyards, from oceans, from places like Permian Basin, like the Marcellus Shale, like Balkan Shale. You name it, you get it through fracking. That's one way to extract natural gas, not the only way.
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Max Apata
Okay, yeah, I feel like that's a pretty popular way to extract it.
- [31:30]
Charlie Kirk
I'm just saying it's an efficient way to extract it.
- [31:33]
Max Apata
Well, it's.
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Charlie Kirk
So one of the arguments you made is to get out of the Middle East. Thanks to Donald Trump's deregulation of deregulating the energy economy, we now no longer have to be dependent on Saudi Arabian, Iranian or Middle Eastern oil. We now export more oil than we import and oil. Because of this, America is now in a much stronger foreign policy position than ever before. I actually, I would love to have us eventually get to a place where we don't need to extract any sort of minerals from the Earth.
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Max Apata
You think that we're in a very strong stance or people have a Strong opinion of us when it comes to.
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Charlie Kirk
I think the world has never been more peaceful than it is today. That's a fact. Okay. Less people are dying because of civil war, famine, poverty, mass. Mass starvation today than any other place.
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Gina Grad
Yeah.
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Max Apata
But in terms of our standing, you know.
- [32:21]
Charlie Kirk
Yeah.
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Gina Grad
Our allies.
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Charlie Kirk
Our allies respect us. Our allies respect us, and our enemies fear us. Under Barack Obama, ISIS was on the march and taking more territory every single month. Iran had billions of dollars in sanctions.
- [32:32]
Max Apata
Respect us.
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Gina Grad
Yeah.
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Charlie Kirk
Angela. Angela Merkel knows that she finally has to pay up for the hundreds of millions, billions of dollars of free military assistance we've given them throughout the.
- [32:42]
Gina Grad
Throughout the years.
- [32:43]
Max Apata
European heads of state are laughing at us. They do not respect him. They're laughing at him.
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Brian Bishop
So let me just jump in for a second. I think what Dylan is talking about, one is a little more emotionally based and one is a little more, I don't know, pragmatic, which is. You think your stepdad's an asshole. Yes. Do you clean your room, though? Like, do. When you hear. When he tells you do something, do you do it? You might go, yes. They may both be true. You may think he's an asshole, but you may get a clean room out of it. I think what Dylan is saying is the rest of the world is laughing at Trump, and what Charlie is saying is, yeah, but they're listening to him.
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Gina Grad
Or they're.
- [33:24]
Brian Bishop
They're not doing. They're doing what he wants to do. Is that what you're saying?
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Charlie Kirk
A collection of failed European leaders like Macron, who can't even control Parisians from riding in the street every other day, or Angela Merkel, who's executed a complete takeover of Europe and has unsuccessfully assimilated a million Middle Eastern refugees into her country. They might be laughing at him, but their countries are a mess. And so, fine, failed leaders are laughing at Trump, but prime ministers like Abe or Modi that are getting reelected with 60 to 80% approval ratings, they're working with Donald Trump to make the world a safer, more peaceful place.
- [33:57]
Dylan
Yeah. Kim Jong Un's not laughing at him, Dylan.
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Christy Canyon
Yeah.
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Brian Bishop
All right, so.
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Christy Canyon
But those are our enemies, though, and they're not. They're not, but they don't care.
- [34:07]
Brian Bishop
Us.
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Charlie Kirk
Under Barack Obama, we were closer towards nuclear conflict with North Korea than we ever remember. The stock market dropped 450 points 30 days before the end of Barack Obama's presidency because North Korea was testing missiles every 25 days. Now we're closer to conversations and ending the Korean War today than never before. Isn't peace the objective of foreign policy. And it seems that that story is not always being told.
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Max Apata
Well, it feels easy to say that we're closer to nuclear warfare than ever before under Obama.
- [34:33]
Brian Bishop
I don't.
- [34:33]
Max Apata
Well, let's look at fact check.
- [34:34]
Charlie Kirk
Let's look at the numbers.
- [34:35]
Max Apata
Just doesn't seem right.
- [34:36]
Charlie Kirk
There were missile tests every 25 days under the the last two years of the Barack Obama presidency. There has not been the same type of missile test since the Singapore summit when President Trump sat down with Kim Jong Un. Have they lived up to every part of the deal?
- [34:49]
Gina Grad
No.
- [34:50]
Charlie Kirk
But President Trump stepping into North Korea, the first US President to do so, I think is a courageous thing and it's closer to peace than ever before.
- [34:56]
Max Apata
Do you think Obama should have gone over there and talked to him?
- [34:58]
Charlie Kirk
I think you should never be afraid to talk to your enemies, should we?
- [35:02]
Max Apata
You got a lot of flack for talking to enemies when he was president, but.
- [35:04]
Charlie Kirk
Well, Reagan talked to the Soviets and that's what ended up ending the Cold War. Sitting now with Gorbachev.
- [35:09]
Brian Bishop
Let's talk. Let's put a button on energy.
- [35:12]
Christy Canyon
Feels we solved that. I feel like we solved energy.
- [35:15]
Dylan
Up top, everybody.
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Brian Bishop
Energy is. We're not exporting it in, so that's good. We're not reliant on these nations that we don't like, so that's good. I mean, in terms of cutting deals with them, we're still digging holes in the earth and the sea floor, which we don't want to do. Natural gas burns a lot cleaner than coal and it seems to be pretty abundant, so that's a good thing. How to extract it in a safe way that doesn't hurt the environment is something to think about. Last question then, nuclear, because that to me seem. It's always the litmus test, which is if you do want a clean environment and you do want abundant engine and you don't want to punch holes in the ground and you don't want to rely on opec, then you do want nuclear, but so many people say they don't want any of that. Don't want nuclear as well. Dylan, where are you Nuclear?
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Max Apata
I mean, it seems like it's so crazy to think about the capabilities of it. It sounds like science fiction, like something out of Star wars, but it's real, so we should probably figure it out as soon as we can. I just get really spooked by it because if anything goes wrong, it is so catastrophic that, you know, serious, serious problems can happen. I mean, the yellow tail.
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Christy Canyon
Yeah.
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Dylan
You get 19 Emmy nominations.
- [36:29]
Max Apata
Chernobyl Wonderful show. The yellowtail that we're eating at Matsuhisa and places like that. I mean, it's just filled with radiation.
- [36:36]
Brian Bishop
What do you got, Charlie? Last one on.
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Charlie Kirk
I am a huge fan of nuclear. Nuclear. It's a good middle ground. It's sustainable. It could be built all across the American Southwest, and it could solve a lot of our energy problems. France is the great success story of nuclear. 70% of their energy grid is nuclear.
- [36:55]
Brian Bishop
I think also what people don't realize is we are essentially, when we're thinking about nuclear in this country, it's like we're talking about cars. If we stopped building cars in 1970, they're dangerous and they pollute a lot. And they don't have. They don't have crumple zones or airbags, like. No, they do now. We just stopped. We stopped our technology a long time ago. Chernobyl is old, crappy everything.
- [37:23]
Max Apata
Fukushima is not that old.
- [37:25]
Brian Bishop
But what happened with Fukushima?
- [37:27]
Gina Grad
Natural disaster?
- [37:28]
Brian Bishop
Well, there was a tsunami, but it still wasn't piles and piles of dead people. It was a tsunami. But I think our version of nuclear is much different than early 70s, and I think we could do it in a much safer, more efficient way. Yes.
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Christy Canyon
I was just gonna. Quickly, as someone who totally agrees with you guys about nuclear, I think, Charlie, the thing that a lot of us have a problem with fossil fuels isn't that the fossil fuel companies give money to whoever the problem is, practically. And I think you can probably agree with this. The more resources, just. No pun intended, resources, money, whatever that are put into as we slide backwards into the world of fossil fuels and coal and the stuff that we're away from and moving towards more progressive, efficient things like nuclear.
- [38:12]
Brian Bishop
The.
- [38:12]
Christy Canyon
That robs resources that could be going into the. Into those experimental. Let's get something else up and running. Like, you can say, like, oh, like NASA. The moon landing was a huge waste of money, and we lost a lot of resources and spent too much money. But we landed on the moon. It was worthwhile. It will be ultimately worthwhile. It's kind of a waste of money now because we're chasing a lot of things that aren't working, but we'll get there.
- [38:32]
Charlie Kirk
Well, I think we should end all subsidies for both oil and gas and also wind and solar. I mean, so there's 30 billion. There's $38 billion in advantageous tax cuts towards fossil fuels. I don't think those should exist. I think you let the market sort itself out with very reasonable environmental protections of many of which I do support.
- [38:51]
Brian Bishop
And natural gas. I feel like natural gas gets dumped in with shale and coal and stuff like that.
- [38:58]
Gina Grad
It's really a separate bracket.
- [38:59]
Brian Bishop
It's separate. And it's cleaner, right?
- [39:01]
Charlie Kirk
Way cleaner. And we have more natural gas than any other discoverable natural gas. Again, it could change at any time.
- [39:06]
Brian Bishop
I've always said the problem with natural gas has the word gas in it, and that rubs many people the wrong way. Fat work, no nukes. All right, now on to solve something else. Gun control.
- [39:19]
Gina Grad
Oh, great.
- [39:20]
Brian Bishop
All right, you want to go first or second, Dylan? Let's see.
- [39:24]
Max Apata
I'll go first.
- [39:24]
Brian Bishop
Go first.
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Max Apata
You know, I get why people like guns, and I get very frustrated with my party for talking crazy because it alienates a lot of people and it pisses me off. My dad's a Vietnam vet. He loves his guns. I like shooting guns. I mean, it's fun as hell. But I do not understand why we cannot pass universal background checks. I do not get why that isn't common sense law. I'm sure you. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but you probably disagree with universal background checks.
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Charlie Kirk
I mean, there is the Brady Bill that was passed in the 80s that was supposed to do this. I don't necess. In, like, principle. It's not. I don't disagree that much. I come from Illinois, and they have really strict gun laws. Way too strict, I think. But I don't necessarily disagree with a firearm owner identification card, which they have in Illinois and other states that are super red. You know, criticize me when I say this again. I believe that when you start talking about certain restrictions on firearms, I just. I think that that conversation starts to hit up against the wall. I don't believe in automatic machine guns. Those were outlawed in the mid-1930s because of the automatic weapons ban. But if you're talking about firearm owners having to go through some form of.
- [40:44]
Gina Grad
A check to who they sell for.
- [40:45]
Charlie Kirk
That is the law in certain states.
- [40:47]
Max Apata
Yeah.
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Charlie Kirk
It's the interpretation of some federal law. I don't necessarily. I don't find that much disagreement there. There's a lot of minutiae that could be back and forth. I had to go through background checks, and I bought my firearms in Illinois, and I have plenty.
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Max Apata
Well, why are 22% of sales still going through these loopholes where you don't have to get background checks?
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Charlie Kirk
Well, because the laws aren't being enforced, and I actually think they should be enforced. And so, for example, there's certain people and people on my side Disagree with this. I don't really don't care. There are certain people that just shouldn't own firearms.
- [41:19]
Gina Grad
There just are.
- [41:20]
Charlie Kirk
There are just some people that should not own firearms.
- [41:23]
Brian Bishop
Yep.
- [41:23]
Charlie Kirk
And that's a position that doesn't win me. That wins me more enemies than friends.
- [41:27]
Brian Bishop
On the conservative side, where are you guys with school? School shootings and ways to protect kids on campuses beside my tack crows.
- [41:38]
Charlie Kirk
That's a good idea.
- [41:40]
Brian Bishop
Brian gets a strong assist with. It's a very good idea.
- [41:45]
Christy Canyon
It's the best you're gonna get around here.
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Brian Bishop
Well, I've been talking about my tacros for a number of years and school shootings. You made a peanut butter cup. I was running with a jar of peanut butter and a chocolate bar and you tripped me. Okay. And for that you're a hero.
- [42:02]
Christy Canyon
I would say you're right. Absurd.
- [42:04]
Brian Bishop
Okay, so what do we do at schools and where are we with folks being armed at schools? Above security? I think everyone can agree. A couple security guys at the front gate with guns is good. But beyond that, what do you guys take on that?
- [42:23]
Charlie Kirk
I have mixed feelings about arming teachers just because some teachers don't want to be armed, quite honestly. But I think if you have some, if you're. First of all, if you're a veteran or you can prove that you can use a firearm and you want to have a firearm. I have no principal problem of that. And I do think that there should be armed school resource officers in the school to be able to protect students. That's not an absolute solution. There was one in Parkland who ended up being a complete coward.
- [42:48]
Brian Bishop
Well, I gotta jump in here. Everybody really realize when you say, like, well, if we had this guy, then that wouldn't happen. Oh, no. There's a whole bunch of variables between the shit going down and the 47 year old guy who's morally obese, throwing himself in the harm's way of bullets. He can stand outside out of that hallway and just wait for backup in perpetuity.
- [43:12]
Christy Canyon
You guys are 100% right. There's also the logic problem of if you arm 10 teachers, arm as many as you want. The logic problem is that almost 100% of the shooters who go into the schools expect to die. Then they do. I'm.
- [43:25]
Brian Bishop
No, I don't think it's that. It's how I think. Sadly, what it's come down to is not the armed person is going to kill somebody because they have the element of surprise.
- [43:38]
Christy Canyon
Agreed.
- [43:38]
Brian Bishop
We cannot shoot them preemptively, although it'd Be great. But it's about. I know the LA Times editorial staff disagrees with this wild concept, but it's about numbers. It's how long do they get to shoot at people before bullets start coming their way. And if we let them go until the cop, the SWAT team show up, then we have 18 people dead. If somebody returns fire post ACE or pretty immediately, then maybe three people are dead and that's all it is.
- [44:07]
Charlie Kirk
Look, I'm going to say something that you might agree with. I think a direct correlation with all these school shootings is we over medicate our children. I think we over medicate our children at far too young of an age. The one common denominator of a lot of these school shootings is they were on antidepressants and very, very complicated dangerous medication from a young age. And I blame the pharmaceutical companies for pushing these drugs on our kids.
- [44:29]
Christy Canyon
Go take a walk.
- [44:30]
Brian Bishop
I agree.
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Gina Grad
Just take a walk.
- [44:31]
Brian Bishop
Take a hike. All right. Last and most controversial, abortion.
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Max Apata
I don't know why we're still talking about it. I don't mean to be offensive or anything.
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Charlie Kirk
Not offending me.
- [44:42]
Max Apata
We kind of. I thought we figured out this. This out in the 70s. I feel like the rhetoric gets ramped up around election cycles to kind of mobilize a certain part of the base.
- [44:52]
Brian Bishop
But I.
- [44:54]
Max Apata
Do you think that Roe v. Wade should be overturned?
- [44:57]
Gina Grad
Yes.
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Charlie Kirk
Can I ask you a question?
- [44:59]
Max Apata
Yeah, sure.
- [44:59]
Charlie Kirk
When does life begin?
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Max Apata
I. My wife was raised Catholic. We've had the conversation before. If she was ever to get pregnant, she would not want to abort the kid, and that's her call. And we wouldn't do it. You know, I can see where people come down on both sides. I completely get that you think that it begins, you know, right when the egg gets fertilized. I completely understand that. I also think that, you know, the Republican ideology and the Democrat ideology kind of flips here because Republicans think that freedom of choice kind of works things out. Except for this specific issue where I don't know if you're for making it federally illegal, but you guys do want to kind of regulate people's choice here, whereas Democrats kind of.
- [45:48]
Charlie Kirk
Why do you think we want to do that?
- [45:50]
Max Apata
Because you think that it's murder.
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Brian Bishop
Well, once again, I just want to clear something up. Dylan, can you tell us when you. What your take is on when life begins? I'm not sure you ever thought about it.
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Max Apata
Yeah, I mean, I.
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Brian Bishop
It is a tough question. I'm just saying have it. You know, I have thoughts about it, too, and they they waffle a little bit. Yeah. And I don't say 10 minutes after the guy rolls over and reaches for a towel. But at some point, to me, when things become viable and you can recognize eyeballs and heartbeats and stuff, at a certain point, it becomes viable, and then that. That's life beginning totally.
- [46:28]
Max Apata
And I don't think that we.
- [46:29]
Brian Bishop
Do you have a sort of a Mason Dixon line for that?
- [46:33]
Max Apata
I don't really have a Mason Dixon line for that. And I don't think that that's, like, the core issue here. I think. Why are you laughing at me?
- [46:41]
Brian Bishop
I'm sorry.
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Christy Canyon
I was just thinking it's like when a boat becomes a yacht. Does anyone know?
- [46:44]
Brian Bishop
Does anyone know?
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Dylan
Repeat anytime.
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Brian Bishop
If DiCaprio asks if he can come on it.
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Dylan
Same thing.
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Charlie Kirk
Do you think of fate?
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Brian Bishop
No, I'm saying it's a little bit of a question, that it's. It's a little bit of a trap question. But I still think if you're honest, you'll answer it. Like I've said, when you learn how to work a universal remote, that's when you become a viable human being. In my mind, no, if you look at the sonograms and stuff like that, there's somewhere in there in about, I don't know, eight weeks or ten weeks or something. I go beyond that. Beyond. Like, I just say, here's a cutoff. I don't want it past that.
- [47:23]
Max Apata
I'll go with that. But I completely understand why people think that life begins at conception.
- [47:28]
Charlie Kirk
All right, but if you agree with 8 weeks, then you agree with all the Republican heartbeat bills that were just passed.
- [47:34]
Max Apata
I mean, the stuff. I don't know specifically about the heartbeat bills, but the stuff that's going on.
- [47:39]
Charlie Kirk
In Georgia, I think Alabama went too far.
- [47:41]
Max Apata
And Alabama.
- [47:42]
Charlie Kirk
I was saying. But South Dakota just passed a heartbeat bill. Arkansas passed a heartbeat bill. So that's eight weeks.
- [47:50]
Brian Bishop
Right?
- [47:50]
Max Apata
That's fine. But if Roe v. Wade was to be overturned, do you think that it should be federally illegal, or do you think it should go to the states?
- [47:57]
Charlie Kirk
I would come to a. I could see myself compromising, even though I believe that life begins in conception, that there should be some form of societal agreement that when a fetus or a child or a baby, whatever I call a child, a baby, human life has a heartbeat.
- [48:14]
Brian Bishop
That.
- [48:14]
Charlie Kirk
That is indeed a human life and.
- [48:16]
Max Apata
You cannot abort it.
- [48:17]
Gina Grad
That's correct.
- [48:18]
Charlie Kirk
Unless there's exceptions for life of the mother or some other. Which, by the way, are a small minority. Minority that's brought up so often and.
- [48:27]
Max Apata
It'S like, why are we talking about this?
- [48:31]
Brian Bishop
It's weird. If you just came here from another country and you're watching the debate on abortion, I just never thought about this. But they're like, well, what about rape? What about incest? You'd be like, Jesus Christ, there's a lot of fucking dads fucking their daughters this country. Like it's always the first thing brought up like incest, rape, rape, incest. It's probably, I want to tell the foreign friends, it's probably a small percentage of pregnancies for, from family members.
- [48:57]
Christy Canyon
Charlie, how about this is a compromise. Maybe it won't, maybe it won't ring too much.
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Brian Bishop
Max Apata. Sorry, I just want him to do his home, do some homework. When does the heartbeat usually kick in? As long as we're talking about times and then. Brian, can you find that Don Johnson song?
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Christy Canyon
Speaking of which. Speaking of which, Ken, I don't know. This is true. I have to imagine a very, very, very small percentage of 8 week old child or fetuses, whatever with a heartbeat can survive outside the womb. What about once a child can survive outside the womb, whatever that cutoff is, like survivability that becomes, you know, a viable human life as opposed to something, something that's dependent on a host to, for life.
- [49:33]
Charlie Kirk
Well, I think that's a really dangerous argument because we're all dangerous arguments. Well, I mean you could have a 26 week year old child at a very, very late term that can't survive on its own, but it's fully formed, has fingernails, you know, unique DNA, thumbprints, so on and so forth. Would you at least agree that some of these, the late term abortion movement would be troubling on the left saying that?
- [49:57]
Gina Grad
Yeah.
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Charlie Kirk
Okay, 1000% then you and I see. I'm glad to hear you say that.
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Max Apata
The reason why I'm getting kind of frustrated with the discourse today is because those kinds of things dominate the conversation and they're not really applicable to the broad argument and they dictate the conversation way too much. But one last thing I wanted to ask you. You put out a video about Americans subsidizing planned parenthood, correct?
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Charlie Kirk
$500 million a year.
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Max Apata
$500 million. You should subsidize the abortion industry, which is a little misleading term. I feel like that one was workshopped. But we pay taxes to things that we disagree with all the time. There were so many Americans who paid taxes to go to a war they didn't support. Like where is the line that you Draw. We can't pay taxes for things that we don't agree on.
- [50:54]
Dylan
Well, and also, Planned Parenthood uses. They provide a host of other services.
- [50:57]
Brian Bishop
Right. Which is.
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Max Apata
But that constantly gets brought up. The right just does not give Planned Parenthood its due. I mean, I know that they perform a lot of abortions, but you know that they provide a lot of other services.
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Charlie Kirk
There's also thousands of family health planning clinics that don't provide abortions that also provide those.
- [51:13]
Gina Grad
So, look, it's also.
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Charlie Kirk
First of all, there's a thing called the Hyde Amendment, which you're not supposed to use taxpayer dollars towards abortion. That was passed in the 80s. The way they get around it is they say the money's not going towards abortion. So that's the first thing.
- [51:26]
Max Apata
I agree.
- [51:27]
Charlie Kirk
They use it for overhead. It would be like, well, we're paying for the whole building for Adam show, but we're not supporting the show.
- [51:32]
Brian Bishop
I get that.
- [51:33]
Charlie Kirk
The second thing is this is, should.
- [51:36]
Gina Grad
US Taxpayer dollars go towards the direct.
- [51:38]
Charlie Kirk
Termination of a human life, our own human lives?
- [51:42]
Max Apata
I mean, they go to our men and women getting killed and killing strangers all the time.
- [51:47]
Charlie Kirk
It's not direct. The direct deliberate termination of another human life.
- [51:51]
Max Apata
Yeah.
- [51:52]
Christy Canyon
I mean, death penalty.
- [51:53]
Charlie Kirk
I'm against the death penalty.
- [51:54]
Christy Canyon
No, but that goes to the death penalty, right?
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Charlie Kirk
No, that's why I'm against it.
- [51:57]
Christy Canyon
Okay.
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Gina Grad
Yeah, so.
- [51:58]
Brian Bishop
Oh, well, that's consistent. I'm for the death penalty.
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Max Apata
Yeah. I'm kind of for the death penalty, too.
- [52:03]
Charlie Kirk
But I think the abortion argument's super important because it tells. I think it speaks to who a society is. If we can't protect those that can't protect themselves.
- [52:10]
Max Apata
Charlie, don't do that, man.
- [52:12]
Brian Bishop
Don't do that. What's he doing? Go ahead and do it, Charlie. Do it. You represent.
- [52:18]
Charlie Kirk
If you can't. If you can't. If you can't protect those that can't protect themselves, then who are we as a people?
- [52:24]
Dylan
So also.
- [52:25]
Brian Bishop
Go ahead, Dylan.
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Max Apata
I feel like we could do a better job at protecting the women that, you know, whether you want to perceive them as. However you want to perceive them, we should focus on taking care of the women that need to be taken care of.
- [52:42]
Charlie Kirk
I totally agree. I think instead of fail at that a lot. Instead of 500 million to Planned Parenthood, how about 500 million to adoptions? Would you support that?
- [52:50]
Max Apata
Yeah, sure. I mean.
- [52:52]
Charlie Kirk
Okay.
- [52:53]
Max Apata
You know, I just don't. There's this weird hypocrisy, I think, from the.
- [53:00]
Gina Grad
Right.
- [53:00]
Max Apata
A lot of the time where they don't they don't want abortions to happen, but they also are not a big fan of the federal safety net. They kind of like to slash after school programs and stuff like that. I don't, I can't reconcile with that. Like, if you want the kid to come out of the womb, then we're going to be saddled with the burden of taking care of that kid. And ultimately this is all ridiculous. I just really think it's up to that person. But we shouldn't be cavalier about it. It's up to that person.
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Charlie Kirk
The final thing is the conservatives would argue it's not because there's two human beings involved. One that is alive, both that are alive, one that is an adult and formed and one that isn't. Both deserve equal protection. And I mean, we call a celebration of a pregnancy a baby shower, not a fetus shower. When a woman gets tragically killed in a car accident who's pregnant, it's two deaths on the death certificate, not one double homicide. These laws are already reflected in the unspoken parts of our culture. And yet when it comes, when a woman might celebrate a pregnancy through a.
- [54:03]
Gina Grad
Baby shower, how is that, how is.
- [54:05]
Charlie Kirk
Everyone celebrating that as a baby and then afterwards she can go to Planned parenthood and terminate that? Life is not a subjective thing.
- [54:10]
Max Apata
They're so celebrating that woman's preparedness and future to adequately raise that child.
- [54:17]
Charlie Kirk
But then why don't they call it a. Why do they call it a baby shower then?
- [54:22]
Max Apata
It sounds good. Fetus shower is very nasty.
- [54:25]
Dylan
But if the same woman has a miscarriage, which I've seen and dealt with among friends multiple times, a lot of times that is not none that I can think of is that, is that mourned in a way of I lost my baby. Depending on how far along there, if it's a chemical miscarriage, if it's, you know, whatever around the two month mark or whatever, it's disappointing, it's sad, but it's not. My baby died.
- [54:55]
Charlie Kirk
It depends if you talk to, I mean, a really strong Catholic, they would disagree at that point.
- [55:00]
Dylan
So that's my other question. How much is this?
- [55:01]
Brian Bishop
That's a chemical miscarriage.
- [55:04]
Dylan
I mean, I don't know exactly what.
- [55:06]
Max Apata
They were, but it's a fragile state. Early on.
- [55:09]
Dylan
It's early on, you might not know why you're bleeding. It might be.
- [55:12]
Brian Bishop
They call it a chemical miscarriage.
- [55:14]
Dylan
That's what it was. That's how it was described to me.
- [55:16]
Brian Bishop
Who the hell no.
- [55:18]
Dylan
How much of this is faith based?
- [55:21]
Charlie Kirk
Well, personally, quite a lot on A policy level. I try to argue everything through a secular lens. I don't think anyone should try to make public policy arguments based on their own religious bias. And so everything I've been trying to do is try to make rational arguments that would be. And you have agreeable. Yeah, I guess the final thing I'll.
- [55:41]
Gina Grad
Say is this is.
- [55:41]
Charlie Kirk
I think we should at least come to an agreement that we should have less abortions. The abortion rate in New York City is outpacing the birth rate. Abortion is now used as a form of birth control. And I don't think that's a good thing for. I just don't.
- [55:54]
Gina Grad
It's also.
- [55:55]
Max Apata
Yeah, you know, I agree with our ex president who is a fan of the Lolita express. Bill Clinton. Clinton, what did he say?
- [56:02]
Charlie Kirk
Like safe, rare, safe, rare and cheap. Not cheap, but inexpensive or something.
- [56:09]
Brian Bishop
Or accessible, safe, normal, safe, rare, right? I mean, basically, yes, it's something we can all agree there could be less of and both sides would be happy. You know, my feeling on the whole abortion thing is everyone should be against it in terms of. That's like I always say, look, you have a daughter, would you like her to have an abortion? You go, no. So you go, okay, well then would you. But if she wanted abortion, would you like it to be safe and fair or safe and legal or whatever? And it's like, yes, there is way too much finger pointing and name calling in this argument because the Good job, assholes.
- [56:51]
Gina Grad
I think you're fine.
- [56:54]
Brian Bishop
No, it's kind of insane that there's this much around this thing. It's one of the few. It's one of the few things that both sides agree on. They don't really agree on how to achieve it, but they sort of agree that it's bad. I think if you took everyone on the right and everyone on the left and go, would you like less abortion? They would all go, yes, right. Which is not.
- [57:19]
Gina Grad
Look.
- [57:19]
Brian Bishop
You wouldn't say, look, pull everyone out on the right and ask them, would you like taxes raised? And they wouldn't go, well, honestly, yes, they wouldn't do that. They go, no, I don't care if nobody's listening. Like there's not too many subjects where both sides would universally agree on, would you like less of this? And this is there. And with that in mind, it would seem like it'd be easier to arrive at some place in the middle considering. Now see, you take something like the borders and you take something like immigration and you go, okay, the right wants the borders closed down and wants Everything regulated. The left says they want the borders regulated and safe, this and all that security and everything. But I'm not so sure that's what they actually want. That's my opinion on that. So I don't think you could take those two subjects and. And get the same answer in a quiet room where you got the guy drunk and you went, what did you really want? I don't know that you would get that same answer on immigration. You would get that answer on abortion, and you certainly wouldn't get it on taxes, and you probably wouldn't get it on regulation. You probably wouldn't get it on foreign policy. It's actually. Or energy. It's one of the few subjects. Or guns. It's one of the few subjects that you would get the same answer on. You might get a different modality, but you get the same answer.
- [58:47]
Max Apata
This is what I'm saying. Like, I do think that there are a lot of liberals who probably are advocates of stricter border control. I don't think that that's crazy. There are these factions on Twitter that are so loud and we're taking their opinions, and they get to define what, the blue color or the red color. And it's nuts. I think there are a lot of people in the middle who are like, yeah, all right.
- [59:14]
Brian Bishop
What I'm saying is. What I'm saying is, is if you took a guy who was the team captain for the Republicans and you put him in one room and you took the folks probably transitioning team captain. We don't talk. We don't know Z. We don't know what to call it, but it's transitioning. But we talked to that person, and you said to those two people, what do you think about abortion? Would you like less abortion if you had a magic wand, less abortion in this nation? They both go, yes. If you ask them about immigration, I don't know that you'd get the same answer. Not the middle. The middle's always pretty good. I'm just saying the far reach. Is that a fair statement?
- [59:58]
Charlie Kirk
I think so.
- [59:59]
Gina Grad
That's why I brought it up, because.
- [60:00]
Charlie Kirk
I think it's a question that can bring agreement. And there are.
- [60:04]
Christy Canyon
Yes, Brian, the one thing I think Charlie was 100% right about is amongst a certain segment of the population, abortion is used as birth control. That's a tragedy. And whether it's. Whatever it is we can do at the root of the problem, education, better access, birth control, whatever it is that needs to be the solution, attack that problem.
- [60:23]
Brian Bishop
At the root, the heartbeat, this Is interesting. The heartbeat begins at six weeks, so says Maxpan on the Internet. But at 17 weeks, the fetal brain begins to regulate it. So there are bookends, and I guess we'd argue about what the week number is before. All right, Dylan, you've done a yeoman's job of representing your peeps. You get back to your drum circle, ripping bong loads, tacking our flag. Charlie, you hang in because you're an American. We'll do the news flag. Gimme the news with Grad. News with Gino Grad. Breaking viral. All those crazy Trump tweets. Give me news with Gina Grad. Troubled in the Middle East. Celebrity drunk meltdowns. Big news with Gina, Gina Grad. The news with Gina Grad.
- [61:24]
Dylan
Well, the Emmy nominations are in, and there are some shows that are absolutely dominating, of course, the runaway hit being Game of Thrones from HBO. 32 nominations after that, Marvelous Mrs. Maisel with 20, Chernobyl with 19, Saturday Night Live with 18, and then Barry, 17.
- [61:44]
Brian Bishop
SNL.
- [61:46]
Christy Canyon
Outside of SNL, how many network shows were, like, towards the top of the list?
- [61:49]
Dylan
Those are all, you know, actually third. NBC had 58, 78 last year, but then back with its HBO, Netflix, NBC, Amazon, CBS, FX, and ABC. The big tops. Also, I don't know if you guys saw this or you were interested, But Russian doll, 13 nominations. That was a sort of a take on Groundhog Day and a fun show, Escape from Dannemora with our cat Patricia. And the list goes on from there. Handmaid's Tale, 11 nominations. So some. Some big shows, some heavy hitters.
- [62:22]
Brian Bishop
Geez, you never know. Like Alex Boorstein, man, I was with her.
- [62:26]
Dylan
She's back on the list.
- [62:27]
Brian Bishop
Acme Theater. A million years ago, she sitting in my kitchen in my apartment in Tulipa Lake. She's a bitch. Fucking telling her. I remember, like, literally going, I'm in my own kitchen. Am I getting yelled at? My own kitchen. Like, let's get on some neutral turf. Let's get out on the street or balcony or something. I've been friends with her for a million years. And then at a certain point, like, she's doing Fox. God, what was her sketch show? Mad tv. Yeah, she was doing Mad tv. And then it's like, oh, boy. Well, I guess that's it for her. And then Family Guy comes around, and then. All right, well, that's that. And then, boom.
- [63:04]
Dylan
Back this a big way.
- [63:06]
Brian Bishop
I know.
- [63:06]
Dylan
Yeah. So lots of. Lots of big shows to look at. I mean, I have the list, but I mean, come on. We're looking at Game of Thrones. Marvelous.
- [63:14]
Brian Bishop
This is.
- [63:14]
Dylan
Maisel and Chernobyl are gonna.
- [63:16]
Brian Bishop
I haven't seen any of those shows. Me neither. Really?
- [63:19]
Dylan
No, I know Brian doesn't watch tv.
- [63:22]
Christy Canyon
I did. Chrissy was really in Game of Thrones, so I kind of half watched those last few episodes.
- [63:25]
Dylan
That's tough.
- [63:26]
Christy Canyon
I was not impressed.
- [63:27]
Dylan
Yeah, that's tough.
- [63:28]
Brian Bishop
You were not.
- [63:29]
Christy Canyon
I mean, I half watched them, but to me, it was like, this is what we're doing.
- [63:33]
Brian Bishop
Well, is it? Because you just go, I'd like to watch a feature. Yes, yes, yes.
- [63:38]
Christy Canyon
Unequivocally. I was thinking, this is nowhere near.
- [63:41]
Gina Grad
The quality of a good movie.
- [63:42]
Dylan
But what did they end up spending, like, on a season, like $110 million?
- [63:45]
Brian Bishop
It did not show.
- [63:47]
Christy Canyon
It did not show.
- [63:48]
Dylan
You hate dragons, Brian.
- [63:49]
Christy Canyon
It just looked absurd.
- [63:51]
Brian Bishop
I'm sorry.
- [63:52]
Christy Canyon
I know everyone hates me for this.
- [63:53]
Dylan
No, the last season wasn't great.
- [63:55]
Brian Bishop
I don't get it either.
- [63:56]
Dylan
No. And that's not my genre. But I want to see what people like.
- [64:00]
Brian Bishop
People do that thing where they go, well, what happens when you go to a party and everyone's talking about Game of Thrones and you get left out? I'm like, more booze for me and no more nerd talk. Right. I'll kill yourselves talking about Game of Thrones. I'll be over here drinking all your booze and making love to your women while you're talking.
- [64:17]
Christy Canyon
You can't be drinking or loving.
- [64:19]
Brian Bishop
That's right. You'll spill your drink. And you love your lovin cup.
- [64:23]
Dylan
Yeah.
- [64:23]
Brian Bishop
Yeah.
- [64:23]
Dylan
You're more of a Mrs. Maisel guy anyway.
- [64:25]
Brian Bishop
Also, in terms of being left out of a conversation where 47 year olds are talking about dragons, I'm cool.
- [64:30]
Dylan
You're good?
- [64:31]
Brian Bishop
I'm good.
- [64:31]
Dylan
Okay.
- [64:32]
Brian Bishop
I'll be fine. Well.
- [64:35]
Dylan
Prosecutors revealed Monday that a safe in Jeffrey Epstein's Manhattan mansion contained piles of cash, diamonds, and an expired passport from a foreign country that had Epstein's picture but a false name and listed Saudi Arabia as his home. The contents of the safe were revealed by prosecutors in an attempt.
- [64:52]
Christy Canyon
Adam used to say totally normal. What was it?
- [64:54]
Dylan
Perfectly healthy to persuade them, basically, that he's a flight risk after being accused of sexually abusing several.
- [65:01]
Brian Bishop
I like the diamond. The diamonds part in there. That's good. Passport's good. We thought there'd be some weird nudie pictures or something.
- [65:10]
Dylan
I mean, they found those, too.
- [65:12]
Brian Bishop
Oh, they did.
- [65:12]
Dylan
We talked about that. Yeah.
- [65:13]
Christy Canyon
Passport's weirder than nudie pictures. I bet there's hundreds of guys who have Nudie pictures. Who has expired Saudi Arabia passport or a different name. Mm, that's weird.
- [65:22]
Brian Bishop
Yeah.
- [65:22]
Dylan
Brian, you're protesting a little. Lots of guys have the movie pictures, so. Yeah, I don't think he's gonna be leaving anytime soon.
- [65:30]
Brian Bishop
Well, again, the flight risk is funny when a guy owns nine airplanes.
- [65:35]
Dylan
Yeah.
- [65:36]
Brian Bishop
It's hard to make the argument you're not a flight risk when all you do is own an airline.
- [65:41]
Dylan
That's when he was detained, when he was flying back from France.
- [65:43]
Brian Bishop
I know.
- [65:43]
Christy Canyon
Never not flying.
- [65:44]
Brian Bishop
Right.
- [65:45]
Christy Canyon
Charlie, you must see this with people depending on whose team you're on. You're like, oh, Trump's going down because this guy, or Bill Clinton's going down because this. How about everyone goes down because if you have any relation to this guy, just. I want them all to go down. I want them all to burn.
- [65:58]
Charlie Kirk
Each side is trying to overly politicize this. Yeah.
- [66:01]
Christy Canyon
I always say everyone involved to burn.
- [66:04]
Brian Bishop
I will say this. I will say this, though. I do feel sorry for some of these guys. Not the guys engage in the behavior. What I'm saying is, is the allure of private flight.
- [66:19]
Gina Grad
Be careful.
- [66:20]
Brian Bishop
I mean, when a dude comes up to you at a party, this guy's got the Gulf Stream, whatever, and the guy goes, hop a ride. One time, we're going to Maui or something, you go, can do. Oh, like you don't care what he's up to, what he's into.
- [66:33]
Dylan
When are you gonna get this opportunity again?
- [66:35]
Brian Bishop
Soon as I'm done with ethnic cleansing. We're gonna gas up the G4 and we're heading to Maui. Okay. When do you think you'll be finished? Don't answer that.
- [66:43]
Christy Canyon
It's fine with me.
- [66:44]
Brian Bishop
I'm sorry, but the allure of private flight is a strong siren song. I don't blame these guys who are, like, hobnobbing with him. Go catch a ride on the Gulf Stream. None of us would say no or go. Hold on, let me vet you.
- [67:01]
Christy Canyon
Morally extensive background check.
- [67:03]
Dylan
What's in your safe.
- [67:04]
Brian Bishop
Yes, I'm hopping a ride.
- [67:06]
Dylan
Yeah.
- [67:07]
Brian Bishop
So that can't be enough. Now the question is, where are we landing? And then what do we doing?
- [67:12]
Dylan
Right. Why are you going there?
- [67:14]
Brian Bishop
That's right.
- [67:14]
Dylan
Remember that bagel douche that we talked about?
- [67:16]
Brian Bishop
Also, hold on. There is some talk that this guy's made. We don't know where he got all his money.
- [67:23]
Christy Canyon
That's another weird thing.
- [67:24]
Brian Bishop
Yeah, he was a Charlie. What?
- [67:26]
Christy Canyon
Are you hearing this?
- [67:27]
Charlie Kirk
This passport might tell us a little bit. How do you get an expired Saudi Passport this interesting.
- [67:32]
Brian Bishop
You gotta go down Elysian park. That's right, the MacArthur Park. Here's the thing. Yeah. It's gonna take like 45 minutes. They're full half hour from here.
- [67:42]
Dylan
They don't have that kind of time.
- [67:44]
Brian Bishop
All right, here's the deal. He was a math teacher at a hoity toity academy, so the story goes. He was then tutoring the son of a big Wall street guy, a big hedge fund guy. That guy went, this guy is good with numbers, and he's fast with numbers. And that guy being a big hedge fund, I went, what are you doing getting 37k a year over at the Lord Fauntleroy Academy. Come with me to my hedge fund or to Wall street, make some real money with that kind of brain you have for numbers. So he went with him to make money doing it that way. Now, after that, he then broke off on his own when that guy got into some trouble with the standards and whatever. And now it's murky. And now it's murky about who he dealt with after that. And then there's always the blackmail part of it, which is you're dealing with some heavy hitters and you could put a nanny cam in their cabana when they're with the 14 year old. And that's gonna be good for a monthly payment.
- [68:53]
Christy Canyon
Yeah, I was gonna say. And also, I know hedge fund managers do well. He's reportedly a billionaire. That's really well for anyone in finance.
- [69:01]
Dylan
He's a great tutor.
- [69:02]
Brian Bishop
The hedge fund guys do exquisitely well financially.
- [69:06]
Christy Canyon
To the tune of a billion dollars.
- [69:07]
Brian Bishop
Yes. I mean, some of the. Yes, yes.
- [69:10]
Christy Canyon
I'm supporting your theory with the, you know, payments from the. Whatever.
- [69:14]
Brian Bishop
You can get exquisitely rich doing a hedge fund. But there is discussion of. We're not. We don't know who he worked for and what he did. He went offshore, he bought an island. And maybe he just supplemented his hedge fund money with blackmail money. I don't know.
- [69:31]
Dylan
Oh, it's all gonna come out, hopefully. So bagel douche, that little guy who lost it in that bagel shop in New York. We talked about that the other day. He inked a deal to fight in Atlantic City, according to tmz, because of course, by the way, guess what his name is Chris Morgan.
- [69:48]
Brian Bishop
Chris Morgan. Yeah.
- [69:49]
Dylan
He just inked a deal Monday with fighting promoter Damon Feldman, who's arranged for Chris to put on some boxing gloves, go toe to toe with another big reality celeb. And the talks are that it's Antwan Hydrak, kids Had your wife, Dodson. Yep. Thanks, Brian.
- [70:05]
Christy Canyon
I mean, I have no idea.
- [70:06]
Dylan
Chris says he's willing to take anybody foolish enough to face him. Needs minimal training, this is.
- [70:11]
Christy Canyon
He's gonna find a koala.
- [70:12]
Brian Bishop
So the last time he squared off in the deli, what happened to him? He was on his back in a tenth of a second.
- [70:18]
Dylan
Yeah, this is currently booked for September 7th at Showboat Hotel. And he's set to make anywhere from five to six figures, which is a lot of range.
- [70:26]
Brian Bishop
Gotta be clear, like, you've gotta look at your list, like. All right, who do we matchmakers. Like, what do we got? How old's Butterfuko?
- [70:34]
Christy Canyon
He's aged out. He's probably 65.
- [70:36]
Brian Bishop
Cash me outside girl.
- [70:37]
Christy Canyon
She might be a little bad optics, you know, with the punching a girl.
- [70:41]
Brian Bishop
The 21 year old Jared's still in the joint. He's gonna be gone for a while. Bonaduce. What's.
- [70:48]
Christy Canyon
Oh, he's always down.
- [70:49]
Brian Bishop
All right, right there. Let's just pencil Ducci in. What's Corolla doing? He's still doing that podcast.
- [70:54]
Christy Canyon
Who?
- [70:55]
Max Apata
I don't know.
- [70:55]
Christy Canyon
That is.
- [70:56]
Brian Bishop
He's from the Kimmel sidekick.
- [70:59]
Christy Canyon
Guillermo, you think Guillermo?
- [71:01]
Brian Bishop
No, from the dude.
- [71:03]
Christy Canyon
Oh, Ben Stein. Oh, that's ridiculous.
- [71:07]
Brian Bishop
What's his first name?
- [71:08]
Christy Canyon
Cleto. I think I'm thinking of Cleo.
- [71:10]
Brian Bishop
Oh, no, that's Jimmy. You're thinking about Jimmy's late night show. He did his show before they did, like the bro show.
- [71:16]
Christy Canyon
Ben Stein's money. Yeah. Oh, he was on the radio. Where was he on the radio? You're thinking Kevin or Bean. Ridiculous.
- [71:23]
Brian Bishop
I don't know.
- [71:24]
Christy Canyon
No one's gonna know who those guys are.
- [71:26]
Brian Bishop
Is Stryker still doing radio or.
- [71:28]
Christy Canyon
That guy's good.
- [71:29]
Brian Bishop
All right, well, let's pencil him in and see if we can get him in a Duchman Stryker. All right, I'll look up Adam Alan, I think. Well, it just says a Corolla on the Internet.
- [71:39]
Christy Canyon
Write down Rodney on the rock. Oh, Rodney, trust me.
- [71:42]
Brian Bishop
No, I've heard of that guy who's a fixture. K Rock. All right. Anyway, there's potential. Potential names.
- [71:48]
Dylan
Yeah, couple of opponents.
- [71:49]
Brian Bishop
Yeah.
- [71:50]
Dylan
So here's what Morgan had to say about his training regimen coming up.
- [71:53]
Brian Bishop
Oh, wow. Are you prepared? Are you training?
- [71:57]
Gina Grad
Yeah, no, I don't need no training.
- [71:58]
Brian Bishop
I'm prepared naturally.
- [72:00]
Charlie Kirk
Stuff.
- [72:00]
Brian Bishop
I whipped his ass. No training, just prepared. No fucking training.
- [72:04]
Dylan
He's gonna be just fine.
- [72:05]
Brian Bishop
I like, he's got mannerisms. His head movement is a lot like the great Mussolini. That's right. He's got his arms folded.
- [72:11]
Christy Canyon
Preening.
- [72:12]
Brian Bishop
He's a mugger and a preener. Yeah.
- [72:15]
Christy Canyon
Another great Italian.
- [72:18]
Dylan
Well, just because he came up earlier in the show. Legendary porn star Peter north has been a frequent visitor to jail this summer, repeatedly attacking his wife. According to TMZ, 62 years old porn.
- [72:29]
Brian Bishop
Retina from across the room.
- [72:31]
Christy Canyon
I didn't touch her.
- [72:33]
Dylan
He's appeared in more than 2,500 pornos, was arrested on June 5, and then again 10 days later. In each case, he was accused of physically assaulting his wife, Nadia north, who claims she's been a victim of abuse at least 20 times during their marriage. She was recently granted a temporary restraining order to keep him away from her.
- [72:51]
Brian Bishop
You say this about the great Peter North, Chrissy? Kanye was talking about it early in the show. They were using, like, oh, Billy Idol's house. She'd say, oh, we'd have these great sets. Great sets, which are just producers, mansions, Mulholland. Come on down, shoot your porn film. And at some point, they end up inside with the shag and the velour sectional. Sure, Peter north can make a mess. You know what I'm saying? Like, as the guy who owns the home, are you getting out the visqueen and the tarp?
- [73:29]
Christy Canyon
Like, I thought he was a decorator.
- [73:31]
Dylan
Yeah, get the hazmat suit, right?
- [73:34]
Brian Bishop
But not don't think. As frequently seen on Oprah. Okay? Don't think that kind of decorator.
- [73:42]
Christy Canyon
Not flipping a. Flipping out.
- [73:43]
Brian Bishop
Not Nate Burkus, not Nate Berkus type decorator.
- [73:46]
Christy Canyon
Don't know who that is, but.
- [73:46]
Brian Bishop
Okay, this is a little more of a mess type decorator. And I'm just saying, if someone shoots.
- [73:52]
Christy Canyon
A decorate to cake, right?
- [73:54]
Brian Bishop
If you're making a movie in your sunken living room and Peter north comes walking in and drops the bathroom. Don't you have bathrobe? Like, don't you have to, like, take it outside?
- [74:06]
Christy Canyon
You better. You better already want to replace the drinks.
- [74:09]
Brian Bishop
Least do that move with this with the pillows where you turn them all over. And the zippers on the outside.
- [74:13]
Dylan
Yep.
- [74:15]
Brian Bishop
Yeah.
- [74:15]
Dylan
Yeah.
- [74:15]
Brian Bishop
Mm.
- [74:16]
Dylan
Well, it's gonna be a while before he's back in the game. No.
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Charlie Kirk
God, no.
- [74:21]
Dylan
No.
- [74:22]
Brian Bishop
Is that her?
- [74:24]
Dylan
All right, well, there's some news about. Yum.
- [74:27]
Brian Bishop
Peter North's not gonna last in prison that long. No.
- [74:30]
Charlie Kirk
God, no.
- [74:32]
Brian Bishop
No. Sorry, guys.
- [74:34]
Dylan
We haven't heard about your girl in a while.
- [74:36]
Brian Bishop
She's back.
- [74:36]
Dylan
Finally. The spunky Avril Lavigne.
- [74:39]
Brian Bishop
Oh, that's my girl.
- [74:40]
Dylan
Girl of your dreams. She's back with a new song. That takes a harsh look at past relationships. It's called I Fell in Love with the Devil.
- [74:46]
Brian Bishop
I hope I'm in that.
- [74:48]
Dylan
So the video starts out dark. She's driving a hearse containing her own coffin into a graveyard. Then spends most of the video playing piano in a forest. Here's a little snippet for you.
- [75:03]
Brian Bishop
Wow, they're still making these videos.
- [75:08]
Christy Canyon
It's funny you mentioned that. Is this the one location you watched the whole video?
- [75:12]
Dylan
Yeah.
- [75:12]
Christy Canyon
Is this the only location videos have gotten cheap? Remember Guns N Roses videos?
- [75:17]
Dylan
Epic. This is she's in a car and she's in the forest.
- [75:21]
Christy Canyon
Videos have gotten real cheap. And I didn't realize that until Christy took me to a. A Kanye west, like, video watching party thing at the Alamo Draft House in Austin. And all the videos were like, for the last five, 10 years, they were super cheap. Like, rap videos were the most opulent of all. I think Biggie and, and Puffy on the back of a yacht or whatever. And it's like.
- [75:42]
Brian Bishop
Like that anymore. Yeah. Gotta get them bitches in the pool.
- [75:47]
Christy Canyon
That's all it was.
- [75:48]
Charlie Kirk
It was just a pool.
- [75:48]
Dylan
That's right.
- [75:49]
Brian Bishop
All right, let's do one more video.
- [75:50]
Dylan
Vixens. So I don't know if you guys have heard all this viral campaign to storm Area 51.
- [75:57]
Brian Bishop
Oh, I have heard about this.
- [75:58]
Dylan
Oh, my God. There's over a million people, I think, that have responded to the Evite New Mexico live show.
- [76:06]
Charlie Kirk
Sounds like a millennial thing.
- [76:07]
Brian Bishop
There's a couple of how old are you, Charlie? Going on. There's some pretty credible video coming out about UFOs, essentially. Like, it's not weirdo. Oh, I can see the fishing string. And that's a Frisbee spray painted silver, like military. There's kind of stuff coming around now. They're putting cameras on these Raptors or these military planes. And the pilots are totally sober and they're military grade pilots. And they're going, I'm seeing something I can't explain.
- [76:42]
Dylan
Yeah.
- [76:42]
Brian Bishop
And they're now capturing it. So something is up.
- [76:46]
Dylan
But do you think it's safe for all of us to take to the streets and storm the gates?
- [76:50]
Brian Bishop
No, I'm saying I think that's what's spawning this.
- [76:53]
Dylan
Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is also kind of tongue in cheek. The Facebook invite says we're going to Storm 51 to see them aliens. And although it's called Storm 51, they can't stop all of us. They said it is intended to be sort of a tongue in cheek joke. The air force does not think this is funny. They said they are standing ready to protect America and its assets because this is supposed to be at September 20th at three in the morning. Calling for participants to meet up at Area 51 Alien Center Tourist attraction coordinate their entry. The administrator of the Facebook page repeated that it is a joke, but Air force spokeswoman Laura McAndrews says, quote Area 51 is an open training range for the US Air Force and we would discourage anyone from trying to come into the area where we train American armed forces, if you know what we mean.
- [77:43]
Brian Bishop
And we've also called in some of Portland's finest. This group of steady nerve law enforcement community shall put back anybody crosses be great. All right, let's bring it home.
- [77:59]
Dylan
You got it. I'm Gina Grad and that's the news. C to S Gina.
- [78:03]
Christy Canyon
Gina.
- [78:05]
Max Apata
That was the news with Gina Grad.
- [78:07]
Brian Bishop
Let's see Charlie Kirk over here, founder and president of Turning Point usa. You can check out his podcast at Podcast one every Tuesday and Thursday and Apple podcasts as well. You can shoot him a tweet@charlie kirk11 and the website tpusa.com me live shows everywhere. Just go to adamcroll.com doing stand up everywhere and check out not Taco Bell material, my stand up special as well. And take the podcast one survey at podcast one study. It's real fast and the first 125 people are going to get themselves a couple gift card to restaurants.com so until next time, Adam Kroll for Charlie Kirk. Gina Grandma Ryan say mahalo. I want to have sex with Christy Canyon and I will pay a lot of money for her to have sex with.
- [79:12]
Adam Carolla
All right, this is adam gruel show 26:17 from 2019. Coming up next, we have a Charlie's second and final appearance of the show. This is Adam and Charlie one on one Adam curl show 2757 from February of 2020.
- [79:33]
Brian Bishop
And now Sonny Carolla reads a tweet from James Woods. I'm sure hubby took a nice long vacation. Iceland. He's not that stupid. Pocahont is sure to be on the warpath tonight. Now back to the Adam Carolla show. Charlie Kirk is back in studio. Charlie's founder and president of Turning Point USA also has himself a book that is coming out available March 3rd. You can pre order it now on Amazon. The MAGA doctrine. The only ideas that will win the future Charlie Kirk. Some people say maga, I say maga.
- [80:11]
Charlie Kirk
This is the great debate.
- [80:12]
Gina Grad
What's happening?
- [80:14]
Brian Bishop
I feel like phonetically it's kind of maga. But what do you think?
- [80:17]
Gina Grad
I asked the president, and he said, it's maga, like magazine.
- [80:21]
Brian Bishop
Right?
- [80:21]
Gina Grad
Like magazine.
- [80:22]
Brian Bishop
Why do people keep saying Maga? I don't. I would say Maga.
- [80:27]
Gina Grad
Don Jr. At times will say Maga. And I say for it to be Maga, I'd have to have an H on the end.
- [80:31]
Brian Bishop
Right?
- [80:32]
Gina Grad
Maga.
- [80:32]
Brian Bishop
Right, right.
- [80:33]
Gina Grad
I think it's maga, like magazine.
- [80:35]
Brian Bishop
See, here's my thing. I'm a bad reader and I have no real education. So I go, oh, he's wearing a MAGA hat. And then I hear people on the news going, some kids wearing a MAGA hat were attacked in front of a Starbucks. And I go, maga. And then I assume I'm mispronouncing.
- [80:50]
Gina Grad
Well, no, I always get it confused with Krav Maga.
- [80:52]
Brian Bishop
Krav Maga, Right.
- [80:54]
Gina Grad
See, now, that's the other way to pronounce it.
- [80:57]
Brian Bishop
So you. Your story is you began this movement on college campuses when you were a young. But I don't know all the official particulars. So let's get to know Charlie Kirk a little bit. 26, very young. You grow up in what manner? Wanting to be what? In what kind of environment?
- [81:20]
Gina Grad
So I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago. You and I both have something in common. We didn't go to college.
- [81:25]
Brian Bishop
Well, you went for a little bit, Right?
- [81:27]
Gina Grad
I got into college. I never actually enrolled, so I took a couple courses online throughout, walked away.
- [81:35]
Brian Bishop
Were you a person that knew what they wanted early?
- [81:38]
Gina Grad
I thought I knew what I wanted. I thought I wanted to go to West Point, and I never got in, which was the best thing that never happened to me. And that I was kind of a senior in high school, uncertain of what was next. And I always had a passion for politics and started in a direction where I had no experience, no money, no idea what I was doing, but fair amount of passion and fair amount of energy towards it and ended up working.
- [82:04]
Brian Bishop
Out what was the West Point dream or notion.
- [82:08]
Gina Grad
I still love my country, obviously, and it was in a lot of different ways, kind of framed as one of the most difficult places to get into. And something that always appealed to me in a variety of ways. And I got nominated by my local congressman, didn't get in. That rejection, if you will, ended up driving me to kind of take an atypical path. And, I mean, you talk about this quite often, but I highly encourage people to take a gap year before entering college. And my taking a gap year ended up being eight gap years. And one of the best decisions I ever made.
- [82:39]
Brian Bishop
Well, I'm smiling because a few days ago, Huey Lewis, of Huey Lewis and the News was sitting where you're sitting and he was explaining about taking a gap year to go to Europe and play the harmonica. So two very different uses of a gap year, but same destination, which is landed on doing what you wanted to do. Now, this is kind of my reoccurring point with people, which is Charlie Kirk and Huey Lewis couldn't be further apart in terms of what they do for profession. But they still both benefited from the same process, which is take some time, look around, figure out what you want to do. Don't just blindly go, you know, I think people go through life like they're at Disneyland. They get off the Matterhorn, they start running for Space Mountain.
- [83:30]
Gina Grad
That's well put.
- [83:31]
Brian Bishop
I never thought of it that way. But I'm picturing that you're thinking about Space Mountain while you're on the Matterhorn. And as soon as you jump out of the Matterhorn, you're like, start running.
- [83:40]
Gina Grad
Yeah. And what I love about AGAP year, especially for young men in particular, is you get the crap beat out of you really early. And I mean, the gap, you're playing the harmonica in Europe. Maybe, maybe now. I'm sure there was different chapters of diversity.
- [83:53]
Brian Bishop
You had to work, you had to dance for, there was meals at some point.
- [83:57]
Gina Grad
But what college does today is it actually insulates you from maturity. You're less likely to interface with chapters in life that will essentially make you a better person. In fact, it prolongs that if you go to college campuses today, they have lazy rivers, unlimited buffets, and it's anything but reality. And I would make the argument, we have way too many people going to college in America. Way too many people.
- [84:24]
Brian Bishop
I've always, look, I took a gap decade. I took a 12 year gap year. I literally left high school. I just. I turned 18 May 27th and I left high school June 6th. I basically turned 18, left high school, took 12 years of floating around doing construction and open mics and whatever I could do. And then when I was 30, I met Jimmy Kimmel and got to work, essentially. But I understand that period, that open period of having to work and having to navigate. You can't piss off your foreman when you're 19.
- [85:06]
Gina Grad
Correct.
- [85:07]
Brian Bishop
You have to figure out a way to make that guy like you. And that guy was a guy who was a Vietnam vet who was strung out on pain meds. So you really had to work hard to make that guy like you, but you do have to learn how to navigate, negotiate versus check into a dorm and start eating.
- [85:24]
Gina Grad
Well, not only that, I visit campuses and I ask 18 or 19, 20 year old kids that are very far in debt because they've been told they have to go to college, what do you want to do with your degree? And the answer is, I'll figure that out once I graduate. And I say, would you ever want to be a carpenter or a plumber or electrician or get in the trades? And they almost scoff at that as if it's beneath them.
- [85:44]
Brian Bishop
Right.
- [85:44]
Gina Grad
And I think this is a serious problem in our country that we divide the country into two where there's the college educated and non college educated. And you watch the news, that's how they do the polling. Oh, the president's approval rating amongst college educated people is this. And non college educated people is that what they're really saying is here's what the smart people think and here's what the dumb people think.
- [86:04]
Brian Bishop
Right.
- [86:04]
Gina Grad
And I don't subscribe to that at all. In fact, I think some of the wisest, most accomplished people are people that didn't go to four year university.
- [86:11]
Brian Bishop
Well, you know, also we're throwing sort of the baby out with the bathwater. They go, you want to go to college or do you want to work at some factory? We're going to be going to be replaced by a robot. And it's like, no, no, you can be a journeyman, electrician, plumber, carpenter. We're always going to need the guys who really have the craft. The guys I know who are good carpenters and who are good fabricators, who really know their way around MIG and tig welding and things like that. Always in demand, always working and making a high hourly rate.
- [86:47]
Gina Grad
Not only that, but people that work in body shops. I mean, those jobs are not going away anytime soon. And those jobs have dignity. And many people in the ruling class, in the media and the academic elite, they scoff at that as if it doesn't take any intelligence. I mean, you know, I'm not, you know, I don't go out of my way to attack Mike Bloomberg, but it's disgusting what he said about farmers the other day. As if it's just some simple mundane task of filling in a ditch and you know, digging a ditch and filling it in again and paraphrasing of course, but he went out of his way to attack the whole entire farming industry. You know, at least a clip recently came out against it. And so look, I think there's a broader problem here where we have hyper educated individuals with no skills at all. By the time they're 22 or 23, they've been taught to hate our country and they're very far in debt. It makes a perfect socialist voter.
- [87:35]
Brian Bishop
Well, I think there's a danger in. It's sort of. It's like when you get too many lawyers, everybody can talk their way around everything, but no one's actually lacing up their boots and going to work. You can leave college with a vocabulary and with an arsenal of being able to argue and talk your way around anything or any subject, but it still doesn't make you happy and it still isn't getting the job done.
- [88:06]
Gina Grad
Correct.
- [88:07]
Brian Bishop
And most of the guys I know in the trades, they're not into talking, they're into doing. And then there's a lot of people I know that are out of the trades and they just want to break down the game film and never stop talking. And even in lieu of things getting done, like you'll just hear them talking about problems, the same problem, the environment or whatever, and it just keeps going and going and going and no one is actually building anything or doing anything. You know, we live in Los Angeles, it rains, all the hobo shit flows into the bay and all we do is talk about the bay and environments. But nobody wants to build a waste management system.
- [88:50]
Gina Grad
And so you have hundreds of thousands of bureaucrats in the LA area that all went to the same colleges that prognosticate about these problems and don't do anything. You know what most people in the trades do? They literally fix problems for a living. That's actually what they're hired to do. My washing machine broke down or my pipe burst or a window broke. That's what they do. They fix issues that most people that the bureaucrats that are supposed to be fixing problems have absolutely no skill set actually to be able to fix whatsoever. And I do make the argument in this book though, that over last 50 years, I think culturally both political parties just turned a complete blind eye against the working class in this country. And I think the President in a way that actually has mystified a lot of people was the blue collar billionaire, the guy that has walked job sites for the last 40 or 50 years was able to resonate a lot more with carpenters and plumbers and welders and union workers, more so than almost any other candidate in modern political history.
- [89:46]
Brian Bishop
Well, think about just the notion problem solving. Problem solving never historically meant sitting down and talking about something. It meant There's a hole in the dike and we gotta plug it or the water wheel's not turning and we can't grind any more grain into flour. There's a. Or a war has broken out and we need to mechanize. Problem solving meant going and doing something. It meant thinking about it, having a discussion and then going and doing something about it. And I feel like problem solving, the blue collar version of it is physically rolling up your sleeves and going toward the problem. This discussion where we, this thing where we break off in discussion groups and endlessly talk something into the ground, I don't. You physically never solve the problem because no one ever leaves the building.
- [90:44]
Gina Grad
That's correct. And they hide behind their isms and their ideologies and their theory and there's. Look, there's a lot of. And I loved your commentary previously where you said we're gonna talk ourselves into absolute oblivion. What's the actual policy? There are real issues in our country. And I loved your commentary that you said on Tucker Carlson about the homeless problem in Los Angeles and California, which is real. And you made a very wise point, which is the politicians don't care because they can't tax the homeless population because they don't have any money.
- [91:13]
Brian Bishop
Well, people think that's cynical, but I don't see. True. Yeah, I don't see any evidence to think the. Otherwise they want money.
- [91:21]
Gina Grad
The politicians care about the needs and wants of Silicon Valley because they're a wealth machine for the ruling class. They don't care about the home, the 4,000 homeless vets in Los Angeles, cuz they're not gonna be donating their political campaign anytime soon.
- [91:34]
Brian Bishop
Well, what I've learned about politicians on both sides of the aisle for the most part, is they don't care about anything specifically. They're there to get reelected and they're there to follow the path that gets them reelected. So if you go, well, wait a minute, politician, when you were 61, you were against gay marriage and now you're 67 and you're all in on gay marriage. What happened in those six years in your 60s? Well, what happened was, is they've now when they said they were against gay marriage, they'd get less votes and the society was against. Now society has evolved or turned or whatever we're calling it, and now they're gonna get more votes. So they haven't evolved on the issue, they're getting more votes on the issue. And that's what I assume they're gonna do with everything. Silicon Valley pays a Lot of money. Homeless people doesn't pay anything.
- [92:33]
Gina Grad
It's that simple.
- [92:33]
Brian Bishop
So they're just going, you know, it's like, my dog is neither good nor bad. If I take my dog for a walk and I have a handful of treats, then my dog does what I want him to do. If I don't have the treats, then he ignores me. The homeless are a walk with your dog with no treats. And politicians just go, there's no treats. There's nothing in it. There's no snacks. There's no Scooby snacks. For me, the homeless, there's nothing. Now, Silicon Valley has trades, totally. So I'm down with that.
- [93:04]
Gina Grad
They have campaign contributions. I want people to imagine for a second if 4,000 Google employees, homes, all of a sudden disappeared. Do you think politicians would do something about that?
- [93:14]
Brian Bishop
Of course.
- [93:15]
Gina Grad
Do you think? I mean, it goes without saying, I'm just reinforcing the point that you made on Tucker, which was very important, which is if the ruling class even has a small smidgen of adjustment of their lifestyle at all, the entire political class will do whatever they possibly can to address or address that problem. They don't. They don't care about homelessness unless it's in their communities in Palo Alto. And it wouldn't be, because that's what they do is they'll push it to the outskirts and out of sight, out of mind. And you've seen in San Francisco and Los Angeles in particular, a rapid increase in something that should be addressed by every single citizen of the general area of California or in LA or San Francisco.
- [93:53]
Brian Bishop
Well, also, there's going to be a rapid increase in everything you don't want. If your approach to the problem is move the goalpost. If your approach to crime is, well, there's too many felonies going on. All right, well, it's 500 bucks. Anything over 500 is a felony. Okay, we'll make it 1,000. That doesn't cut down on crime, and it balances your books, but it doesn't cut down on this behavior that you'd like to stop. And I say it all the time. If you go, well, there are too many young black and brown kids being suspended at schools. Okay, no more suspending black and brown kids. Good. Problem solved. That's not problem solved. That's you balancing your book.
- [94:39]
Gina Grad
Precisely. That's right.
- [94:41]
Brian Bishop
And it will create more of what.
- [94:43]
Gina Grad
You don't want in San Francisco in particular. I was there a year and a half ago. I spoke at the University of California, Berkeley, and we rented a Car rented a Chevy Suburban. And we parked it right outside, right near the Transamerica building. Come back 45 minutes later, every window smashed, all of our luggage stolen. We go to the police and they say, well, what was the value of the luggage? Not knowing about any of these new rules or regulations. And the number that we aggregated about all of our goods and services was below the threshold.
- [95:08]
Brian Bishop
Right.
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Gina Grad
And basically, like, well, that's kind of a misdemeanor. And the likelihood of us finding your stuff again is it's just not going to happen.
- [95:16]
Brian Bishop
I do like that. As far as cops go, part of their job is dealing with buckets of water being thrown onto them and then explaining to taxpayers, you're never gonna see your laptop computer again. Like, did you think that was part of a cop's job?
- [95:33]
Gina Grad
I think it's part of their training now.
- [95:35]
Brian Bishop
Part of their training is, yeah, oh, there must be a thing. Like, there must be that. You know, you'd see those.
- [95:40]
Gina Grad
A seminar. Yeah.
- [95:41]
Brian Bishop
You'd see those Clint Eastwood movies. No, I'm picturing. I'm picturing this. When I was a kid, I'd see those cop movies and had the guy. And the thing would spring out, it'd be the woman with the guy holding the gun next to her, and then there'd be the clerk from the shopping market would spring up, and he'd hold the gun at him, and then the guy with the mask on, and you'd fire at him. They must have to do that. Now with kid comes, they stole my computer. Sorry, no can do. Charlie Kirk got his luggage stolen. Sorry, we're not gonna be looking for that.
- [96:15]
Charlie Kirk
That's right.
- [96:15]
Gina Grad
And they go through the five points that you have to make. First, empathize with them and then tell.
- [96:20]
Brian Bishop
Them, I'm sorry, sir, I have luggage as well. My children have a computer. Right. Yeah, I know. Cops just have to tell you, no, we're not gonna do it now. It's all unintended consequences. And I always tell people, the guy who got shot in Pasadena is because a guy said, someone stole my computer and he had a gun. He didn't have a gun. But the guy who got his computer stolen wanted the cops to look for it.
- [96:48]
Gina Grad
That's right.
- [96:48]
Brian Bishop
And the cops shot the guy.
- [96:49]
Gina Grad
Well. And look, we know how to address crime. It's not any mystery, you know, in New York City. And Bloomberg did a pretty good job of it, continuing the Giuliani policies. And now he apologizes for what he did. Right. But the little things in New York actually mattered, which Was they're not gonna allow vandalism. They're not gonna allow outward vagrancy. If you find a homeless person, bring them directly to a homeless shelter. And over the last eight years, the tolerance of the little things. In New York, you've seen crime skyrocket. And in San Francisco as well, there's this belief system, mostly on the left, that if you decriminalize it, all of a sudden, like you said, it cooks the books. Like, oh, yeah, crime's going down. Well, hold on a second. You've changed. You've adjusted what crime actually is. When someone gets mugged and they only get mugged for $499, that's still a mugging. It doesn't matter if it hits your arbitrary threshold that you've designed.
- [97:37]
Brian Bishop
Yeah, it's like you're a team and your team is failing, and you go, well, how many first downs did you guys average each game? And you go, we only average three first downs in four quarters. And I go, well, how far is first down? 10 yards. Oh, make it 4 yards.
- [97:54]
Gina Grad
That's right.
- [97:55]
Brian Bishop
And then we'll get a bunch of first downs. And it's like, okay, but you're still not moving the ball.
- [97:58]
Gina Grad
Precisely.
- [97:59]
Brian Bishop
You just change the definition, a first down.
- [98:02]
Gina Grad
And that's what's been happening by a lot of the central planners in these cities. And it's a tragedy.
- [98:07]
Brian Bishop
Yeah. There's a part that I'm very interested and I'd be interested in your take on this. So I sit around and I watch the debates and the shows and listen to the news, and I see Bloomberg and they talk about stop and frisk, and it's stopped. Stop, talk and frisk. It's not just stop and frisk, but they leave out the part that's sort of convenient or inconvenient to their narrative. But, okay, so then Bloomberg has to apologize for continuing the stop and frisk. And I'm always interested from a psychological standpoint where people are going, this is a racist policy, and lots of brown and black people were detained or inconvenienced or stopped and blah, blah, blah, and they just keep going. No one ever says, well, what do you think Bloomberg was doing? Do you think he's a racist? Do you think his plan was randomly stop young black men in high crime areas because he does not like young black men?
- [99:18]
Gina Grad
Bingo.
- [99:20]
Brian Bishop
Is that what he's doing? Or do you think he's trying to do something that his motivation is to see if he could get guns off the street? But this is the way it manifests itself. I mean, let's at least identify what's going on here. The news is not interested in identifying what's going on.
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Gina Grad
Let's go a layer deeper, though. And Bloomberg has nothing to apologize for what he did in New York with Stop and Frisk. Cuz who were the people that were being arrested and the guns being confiscated, who were they killing?
- [99:51]
Brian Bishop
Other people.
- [99:52]
Gina Grad
Other black people. Precisely. The black crime rate went down dramatically because of that policy that was enacted.
- [100:00]
Brian Bishop
Yes, I agree. What I'm saying is I could never do one of those news roundtable things on msnbc because while everyone was calling him a racist, I'd go, yeah, but fellas, he was trying to save some black lives. Can we just agree? Oh, of course he did.
- [100:17]
Gina Grad
And that's the point, is that he can actually point to Harlem and saying Harlem was a safer neighborhood and more black kids are able to go to school because of a policy you're calling racist. And the point is this is that first, one of the lies about Stop and Frisk is that there was not just cause. And this was talked about in the courts. And eventually some courts eventually struck it down. But the arguments defending the policy of stop and frisk were no, no, there was reasonable cause, such as an individual at 3am getting out of a car wearing explicit gang colors in a neighborhood that is occupied by a different gang. Okay. I think if a police officer is driving by and sees that, all of a sudden, well, okay, I think it's worth stopping and talking that individual, why are you at 3am in this neighborhood and what are you doing?
- [101:06]
Brian Bishop
Well, here's where I'm at. I don't think there's anything for Bloomberg to just be generically racist.
- [101:15]
Gina Grad
I tend to agree with you. I'm not hurling that accusation.
- [101:18]
Brian Bishop
I know, I know. What I'm saying is he doesn't profit, he doesn't get reelected, he doesn't anything on just being racist for the sake of being racist. Now, he is trying to decrease gun violence and in the execution of decreasing gun violence, you're stopping disproportionately a group of people who is also disproportionately represented as the trigger men in the gun violence situation. So there's a kind of a catch 22 math for Bloomberg, which is, well, if we want to stop young black men from getting shot, we're gonna have to disproportionately stop young black men who are getting out of the car with the gang color. So I get it. I understand it completely. I'm like, yes, that's what he did. And then people have this mentality of like, but if a couple of innocent people are detained, it's worth it. That's what I'm saying.
- [102:15]
Gina Grad
And the other aspect of it is you take the left's argument, which is to decriminalize, and do nothing. The result in New York has been, ever since they've discontinued that policy, is more black kids are going to die, of course.
- [102:28]
Brian Bishop
And then my next thought is, all right, now let's get down to the street level. The cop. Cop is not into opening oysters that have no pearls in them. If you're a cop and you stop a guy, you're stopping him because you want to find a gun or you want to find some contraband or you want some. That's what you're doing. And you have training. You've been on the streets. I trust your judgment. You're not just finding. It's not like, oh, it's noontime, and Byron Allen is wearing a festive leisure suit and he's walking down the street, let's go fuck with him. I don't feel that that's what you're into. And also, you're not gonna last very long if that's your thing. I believe the cops are using their training, looking for people that they think have a high likelihood of having a firearm or weapon, and they're doing what they're trained to do. And I believe Bloomberg is carrying on a policy that was effective in terms of saving black lives.
- [103:33]
Gina Grad
And look, two points on that. Number one, some of these cities, like in Philadelphia in particular, where policies like this were effective, they were majority minority police forces. So you had black cops doing this, of course, and that were supportive of it.
- [103:46]
Brian Bishop
Well, now you get to some weird no man's land where it's like, oh, so Adam Kroll and Charlie Kirk are racist. It's like. Well, I would argue it's the opposite of racist, actually. It saved black, young black people.
- [104:01]
Gina Grad
It's the exact opposite. We're the ones that are arguing for safer communities in Harlem and in the Bronx and in these neighborhoods in New York City. But here's the irony of it. You have white liberals, though, that are the ones that are trying to discontinue these policies, and they would never step foot in these neighborhoods at all in the first place. They wouldn't.
- [104:20]
Brian Bishop
Oh, yeah.
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Gina Grad
And you actually look in the communities when these were enforced, it was black pastors and black business people and black families that were begging the Giuliani and the Bloomberg you know, mayoral administration, please clean up our streets. And Adam, you lived through it, you know better than I ever would. But New York in the 80s and 90s was crime infested. Real estate values were nowhere near, you know, where they were in the 2000s or early 2000s, post 911 recovery. There was a real turnaround in New York City as soon as they started to clean up the crime.
- [104:52]
Brian Bishop
I've been there. I completely understand. And you're 100% right. And the bigger question is the Bloombergs of the world, I feel like they need to own it. I totally agree themselves from it. Once you start backpedaling, you start tumbling like a snowball down a hill. Bloomberg should just go, yeah, I continued a policy that saved more black and brown lives. Yes, I did. Were there people pulled over who were completely innocent and stopped in France? 100%. There's no other way it can go. You try to explain to me a policy. Explain to me a policy that doesn't work that way. Of course nothing's 100%, but by and large, we saved more black and brown lives. So.
- [105:42]
Gina Grad
And here's an argument, and it doesn't work perfectly, but it works. You and I get stop and frisked every time we go through an airport. Every single time. We know the rules. We don't bring weapons. Right. But you know, if 6,000Americans every year don't 6,000Americans get stopped and frisked at airports and they get detained and they didn't follow the rules. They might have forgot they had a weapon on them. Maybe some of them didn't. But the point is this. Why do we not challenge it? Well, because there was a tragedy that happened in the early 2000s, and we made the agreement as a society, not everybody, but most. All right, we're willing to sacrifice our freedom and liberty and spend another hour and a half at the airport for the safety of an aircraft and the assuredness.
- [106:19]
Brian Bishop
No, I agree.
- [106:20]
Gina Grad
You get the analogy.
- [106:21]
Brian Bishop
No, I get it. No, listen, I've heard, like, Dennis Prager talk about, and people go, well, it's not the same because you don't have to fly. Well, in 2020, you pretty much do. If you're gonna have any kind of life at all in the United States, number one. Number two, look, you choose to live in the city, and it's a high crime city, and you choose to walk around at night, that's the same as choosing to fly. To me, it's like you've made. If you want to live out in the sticks, so be it. If you're going to live here, this is what's going to the high crime area. The city is essentially the airport.
- [106:57]
Gina Grad
That's right.
- [106:57]
Brian Bishop
And you can go, why do I have to take my belt and shoes off? Because you're using the airport. All right, so Charlie, we're simpatico on stop and frisk. I'm very numbers and results oriented and anything that saves lives. Also, if someone is inconvenienced and or more than inconvenienced, it still pales in comparison to saving a life. So to me, that's the ultimate.
- [107:31]
Gina Grad
I couldn't agree more.
- [107:34]
Brian Bishop
It's weird to me that when people make these proclamations where they go, look, if one child goes to bed hungry, it's a failure. If one child doesn't get a world class education, I go, oh no, that is a huge victory. If one child doesn't go bed hungry. Like, I'm just pure numbers. And I was talking to Andrew Yang the other day and I, I appreciate him because he's a numbers oriented guy. So for you going back to the gap year, you don't make it into West Point, you get the gap year. Is it self imposed, the gap year?
- [108:11]
Gina Grad
Somewhat, yes. It was more. My parents said, well, what you gonna do now? And I kind of had to make the decision whether or not I was gonna go borrow 40 or $50,000 to go to at that time, Baylor University in Texas or not. And I just said, you know, I'm not ready to do that right now. And I was, I was pretty burned by not getting to West Point where I wanted to go. And the gap year, if you will, was just more about getting financially stable or a little bit more certain, maybe getting some credits out of the way. And so in that summer, I decided to do what I was passionate about, which at the time was politics during a election year in the summer of 2012. And it just kind of took a life of its own, whether it be writing columns. And eventually I started this organization, Turning Point usa, which has grown rather nicely over the last couple years. We're in our eighth year now on high school and college campuses. And it ended up being a very, very good decision. Not going to college learned a lot, and it was something that obviously wouldn't have happened if I would have taken a more traditional route.
- [109:17]
Brian Bishop
Yeah, the more time I spend on this planet, the less I'm into college and the more I'm into just sort of doing living experiences, repetition, execution. The conservative point of view and the conservative life. It's funny because there's so much stigma attached to it that is fairly unnecessary in my point of view. Like, I know you're Dennis Pragers of the world. There's no reason to graft on a whole bunch of extra motives to his conservative life. He has views, they're biblically based. He's a conservative person. He's conservative, I'd say, in many facets of his life. You know, financially he's conservative. He doesn't splurge on expensive sports cars and stuff. And then he has views that are generally views that everyone had 50 years ago in this country. I'm not sure why it's important to graft on all the accoutrements of hatred and bigotry and homophobe and xenophobe and all this stuff. To him, it feels neither here nor there. If you live in this country, Dennis Prager's the least of your worries because you'd want him as a neighbor. He pays his taxes.
- [110:42]
Gina Grad
He might be the nicest person, maybe.
- [110:44]
Brian Bishop
One of the nicest people I've ever met in my life, in the sort of spectrum politically. Prager's one of the nicest people I've met. Tucker Carlson is one of the nicest people I know. Andrew Yang is a very nice person, and Jimmy Kimmel's a very nice person. I'm not sure where all the calorie burning is going on. Labeling everybody doesn't feel productive to me.
- [111:13]
Gina Grad
I think there's one commonality between those four people, which is they're not afraid to make a joke about themselves or have their boundaries or their worldview pushed. I think that says something though. And I think both sides, the extreme right or the extreme left, they have zero tolerance for any sort of self criticism or self deprecation. I think that's a great test for.
- [111:37]
Brian Bishop
What true tolerance is self deprecation 100%.
- [111:40]
Gina Grad
And I think if you're not allowed to make a joke about yourself, and Dennis makes jokes about himself all the time, I mean, that's part of his shtick. Tucker the same way. And you know, from my understanding, Andrew is Andrew Yang as well. And Jimmy, obviously, you know, one of the greatest talents of our time. But I think if you take yourself too seriously, whether it be on the far left or the far right, you're not willing to actually have a discussion about what you actually believe and why you believe. It's.
- [112:04]
Brian Bishop
I have a thought about. I get what the news outlets are doing. They're trying to agitate and then get eyeballs. I'm not sure what's in it for the people? I'm not sure why we bite on the shiny jingly. We're all like big mouth bass that are just see something shiny that's well put above us and we dart at it and we just bite it and then the hook gets set, man. And now you're kind of screwed because you're being reeled in. What's the dynamic where everyone's biting on everything?
- [112:38]
Gina Grad
Well, it's worse than ever and it's self reinforcing in social media. And I did something recently, recently I highly recommend, which is I deleted most almost all of my social media from my phone and I still have Twitter, I do a lot of Twitter and my team manages my Instagram and my Facebook and I'll outsource what's posted on there. But it's amazing how if you're not looking at the news through a self designed algorithm from social media giants that this is exactly what you need to be looking at because you've already subscribed to these 50 different channels. I think it actually can liberate your, you know, how you look at the other side and how you look at information because it seems as if there's an outrage cycle that exists where people on the media side or people on the far left or media side just always want to just get the next big story. And to your using analogy, the bass make a lot of sense. But. But I think it's troubling when individuals spend so much time on social media only listening to sources that self reinforce their own worldview. And I make the argument it's far worse on the left than it is the right. I think that conservatives by definition, because they go to universities or they do turn on the media, they do hear the other side more than traditional liberals do.
- [113:44]
Brian Bishop
Oh well, the thing about the liberal versus conservative, a couple things. There are statistics that maybe out of the 20 major news outlets, 17 or 18 of them are considered left leaning. That's a statistical fact. But if you want to just sort of break it down into a back to the airport, going back to the stop and frisk at the airport. Every airport you travel through in the country has CNN showing. None of it has Fox showing. So just for that reason alone, just that one example nationwide at this place that everyone travels through or visits the airport, they're showing CNN at the bar, they're showing CNN at the terminal, they're showing CNN everywhere. Which is you can say, well I don't listen to it, I have earpods and I listen to A podcast, that's fine. But if you want to know how our country's media leans, it's not, not half the airports are Fox and half are CNN. It's 100% of the airports are CNN. So you're gonna be exposed to more CNN just through osmosis and more of those ideas. Louisiana Times is liberal. New York Times. You will get more information in that side of the story than you will listening versus percentage of country that listens to Ben Shapiro.
- [115:16]
Gina Grad
Right. And even worse than that, the CNN has a contract with the faa. That's why they're in every airport. So they have an exclusive news distribution contract with the faa, which if you really wanted to be fair about it, it should be half Fox, half cnn. But and I think it does do some damage. Cuz people look at them as, then think of who flies typically, who's flying are the opinion shapers and the people in upper middle class income brackets.
- [115:41]
Brian Bishop
Here's my challenge to everybody. When somebody says, you know, on the right and the left, like where they go, this Mitt Romney, he said he takes women and puts them in binders, you know what I mean? Or he's taking kids at the border, Trump is, and he's locking them in cages. I always think what's in it for him to do that? That seems like a wildly unpopular activity, just like I feel with Bloomberg. So Bloomberg is just, just willy nilly discriminating against black people. What's in it for him? Or Trump's throwing people in cages. Or the left version of they want abortion, they just want to kill kids or abort whenever they want, kill young fetuses, whatever it is. I always look at it through the lens of sort of what's in it for them and, and why I won't buy into so and so just wants to take young people of color and incarcerate them because they're evil or they're locking up kids at the border. Now the byproduct of this thing could be more people of color locked up and it could also be more kids in cages at the border. But I still don't call that person evil because they're attempting to solve a problem.
- [117:11]
Gina Grad
I could sum it up and I'm gonna generalize, but as Dennis Prager usually says, generalization is how we make sense of a, you know, try to find trends in the world, which is typically conservatives. People like myself on the right will say that the left is wrong and typically the left will say that the right is bad. And there's exceptions to that. There always are exceptions, but typically the accusation towards the President is not, oh, his policies are failing America, or what he's doing is not helping the country. More times than not, it's no, no, no, he gets some sort of weird masochistic pleasure from seeing, you know, Honduran kids in cages. And like, that's not at all true.
- [117:50]
Brian Bishop
Well, also my feeling is, is Bloomberg or Trump, don't you think some of this would have reared its head by now when they're, if they're just a masochist who liked to see people locked in cages, wouldn't we hear some stories like Trump was in his 50s and after he was divorced from his second wife, he used to pay a mistress to lock him in a cage and then she would speak Spanish to him and he would beat off. Like, wouldn't there be some more of that in their past? These are 70 plus year old gentlemen.
- [118:21]
Gina Grad
The other accusation against the President is that he just can't wait to see our rivers and lakes polluted. Like, he's just, that's going to be his celebration president. Like, he's going to.
- [118:32]
Brian Bishop
That's kind of my point. My point is you can say he supports coal and gas and you can say that then translates into pollution in the rivers, but you're not allowed to leapfrog supporting coal and gas and going, he hates rivers. My thing is there are plenty of instances of politicians going, I like coal, I like gas. Or look, there are plenty of people. When I was growing up, DDT eradicated mosquitoes. DDT also pesticide also softened the shell, I think of eggs or waterfowl or something. And there were a lot of birds that died from ddt. So a lot of people that were on the left, left said, hey, farmers, stop using that ddt. So they stopped using that ddt. And then there was a proliferation of mosquitoes and then a lot of black people died of malaria from the mosquitoes. But I don't accuse the people who were for birds and against ddt. I didn't leapfrog birds and go, you hate black people. I understand the context of it.
- [119:48]
Gina Grad
And what you're talking about is one of the great crises, if you will, in American politics, which is getting to the intentions before getting to the policy. And some people, very few people have really bad intentions in politics. But generally, and I would make the argument even for the benefit of some, most people that are Democrats out there, I think they want some form of a restored country and they want their way of getting, getting there is different. Some of them do want a different type of America. And Senator Sanders has said that and I'll have that disagreement philosophically. He truly does want a country without billionaires. He says they should not exist. I actually think billionaires lives matter and billionaires should exist. I actually think you don't get a billionaire become a billionaire by pillaging or plundering or stealing goods and services. With that example aside though, and I think you've hit it quite accurately is people are shouting past each other because you have one side. I'm the recipient of a lot of these accusations. The worst things you could possibly call somebody is the starting block. Oh, you know, you want to be tough on crime, you must be a racist. You must be all these horrible things. Well, no, actually my intentions might actually be quite good. I actually might want to see safer streets and kids not get shot when they go to school.
- [121:00]
Brian Bishop
Think about in today's America, like I got a 13 year old boy. If I said to him, son, you get out there and you be a racist every chance you get. I don't think he'd lead a very good life in this country. I don't think he'd have find gainful employment. He may have difficulty getting laid. There is nothing in it for him to be a racist. And there's really nothing in it for Bloomberg on the left or anyone on the right. There's really nothing in it for you?
- [121:34]
Gina Grad
Of course not.
- [121:35]
Brian Bishop
You have to make decisions and those decisions may affect some races, but there's nothing in it for you. So it's weird to me when intelligent people ascribe that well, there's a reason.
- [121:48]
Charlie Kirk
They do it though.
- [121:49]
Gina Grad
It has such shock value for good reason because it's probably one of the worst things you can call a human being and it silences all discussion afterwards.
- [121:57]
Brian Bishop
And again, my argument's right back at them, like why would I want to engage in the worst thing as a human being? You could be labeled. And why would I put that out there? Why would I even get close to the edge of anyone any discussion where I could be labeled that? How would that help my family? How would that help my productivity? How would that help my business?
- [122:17]
Gina Grad
Well, and what it does is it stifles any sort of policy in the other direction. So, for example, you want to know some tragic truth? Probably stop and frisk will never come back to New York City. Probably right? And that's too bad because it saved black lives and it saved lives of all New Yorkers. But now that it's been labeled, what it has been labeled and you have Bloomberg backing away from it like a coward and not admitting that it actually made New York streets safer. New York is going to be now perpetually more dangerous because they lead. And you make a good point. What was Bloomberg's motivation? Do you think he was just Machiavellian strategy session with a KKK hood on in the middle of it? Of course. I mean, I don't think that for the slightest reason.
- [122:56]
Brian Bishop
Well, not at all. I mean, Bloomberg had Giuliani. Giuliani instigates it. I don't know if Giuliani. I think Giuliani put together. I don't know, Max. Betty, you could put this together. I'm from SoCal and I'm not smart. So between those two things, I don't exactly know all the timelines of New York, but in terms of Bloomberg being a racist, New York is dicey and weird and coming undone and people are getting raped in Central park and Times Square is a disaster.
- [123:34]
Gina Grad
Hotel Commodore used to be prostitute central. All of it.
- [123:38]
Brian Bishop
Yeah. So what years was Bloomberg and what year did Giuliani take office? And then when did Bloomberg take office? So that's a pretty.
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Gina Grad
If I were to guess, I think Giuliani took office 98 or 2000. A couple years before 9, 11. But get it. Obviously, I think he fact checked.
- [123:53]
Brian Bishop
Yeah. Okay. And then when did Bloomberg take it? So when did Bloomberg and Juliannev come on, use your computer, Max. Pat, it's going to take 10 seconds.
- [124:02]
Christy Canyon
All right, Giuliani is 94 to 01.
- [124:04]
Brian Bishop
94 to 01. Okay. So he started transforming Times Square and all that kind of stuff in 94. And stop and frisk was a lot of it.
- [124:13]
Gina Grad
That's right.
- [124:14]
Brian Bishop
And then Bloomberg came in after 01, right, Max? Pata. Yes, yes. And then he sat there and he went, whoa, I saw what the crime rate was and I saw what. But I saw what Central park was and I saw what Times Square was, and now I see what it is. And oh, one. So he went, hmm, this was an effective policy and I'm going to keep it going.
- [124:42]
Gina Grad
Precisely.
- [124:43]
Brian Bishop
And not I'm a racist. And just the numbers keep it going.
- [124:46]
Gina Grad
I could be off by a couple percentage points. But There were about 700 murders a year in New York City when Giuliani first took over. When Bloomberg took over, it was right around 380 and got it down to eventually about 100. That's very, very low for the largest city in the country. It just is.
- [125:00]
Brian Bishop
Right. So let me explain what I'm looking for out of Charlie Kirk or Andrew Yang or whomever. Intellectual honesty. You're sitting here vehemently defending a Democrat who will be running against Donald Trump.
- [125:21]
Gina Grad
We'll see if he's the nominee.
- [125:22]
Brian Bishop
Or possibly running against Donald Trump on a policy, you're not just whole cloth sweeping him out with the bathwater because he's on the other side of the aisle. You're defending a policy of his that worked. Now, I'm sure there are many other policies that you wouldn't defend.
- [125:42]
Gina Grad
That's correct.
- [125:42]
Brian Bishop
But you're being intellectually honest. It doesn't mean you're being right or wrong. It just means you're being intellectually honest. You're defending this policy of somebody who's a Democrat and on the left because the policy, not the person per se, but the policy was effective.
- [125:57]
Gina Grad
Thank you. Yeah. And I would expect the left to do the same if they found a policy that was effective for the country or for a community. What I will attack is, and I mentioned this, is Bloomberg's cowardice for not owning up for the fact he actually made the city better.
- [126:11]
Brian Bishop
I agree. But it's strange times we're living in. So we get those how long. And Bloomberg went from 01 to 13.
- [126:21]
Gina Grad
Just remember the term limit thing. We can get into that in a second.
- [126:24]
Brian Bishop
So, Charlie, for you it's probably a fruitful life, but also difficult because you're probably called all kinds of names and accused of all kinds of things as well, which again is uncomfortable. But I get it. I guess you built up a pretty thick skin over the years and maybe you're born that way. I don't know.
- [126:48]
Gina Grad
Yeah. And if you're in this world as a conservative is the price of admission. You just get used to it.
- [126:55]
Brian Bishop
I do think if you're in this world and choose to. And I agree. And then would add on that if you're in this world and just choose to engage in conversations, debates, even if they're non political of nature, you're just in now. That's right. And it's weird because sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me is what I grew up with. Now more people are engaged in more names and more names are hurting more people.
- [127:26]
Gina Grad
That's right, folks.
- [127:28]
Brian Bishop
We're have to build up a little resiliency to different opinions.
- [127:32]
Gina Grad
And Adam, you talk about this quite a lot. The movie you did with Dennis, no Safe Spaces was excellent. And my favorite part of the whole film is it's the complete death of comedy in our country. And again, it goes Back to this whole idea that you can't make fun of yourself, you can't make fun of other people. And comedy is a very important release for a society. It always has been. And the death of comedy is a very dangerous thing. I mean, at some point society has to have a way to be able to release anxiety or to be able to make sense of a complicated world when you have things you're not allowed to make fun of. And I grew up watching seinfeld. I had TiVo and so I was able to watch 60% more TV cuz I could fast forward through commercials, sure, but Seinfeld would not be allowed on television today. It just wouldn't. I could name it five Seinfeld episodes that would be protested in Central park and through Times Square by all these social justice woke activists if it was aired today.
- [128:26]
Brian Bishop
Circling back to something you brought up earlier, which is self deprecation and a sense of humor about yourself. It is something that everyone should be working on. Like you're working on looking good in swim trunks around the summertime. You need to burn some calories on that. Now it sounds weird, but taking yourself seriously is what leads to all this stuff. Being able to take a little shit and keep walking. That is the cure for all this stuff. And I do think the reason the Tucker Carlson's who probably hear horrible things about them and their family constantly are able to just keep on keeping on is because they do have a sense of humor about themselves.
- [129:16]
Gina Grad
Yes.
- [129:17]
Brian Bishop
And Jimmy has a sense of humor about himself and you have to have a sense of humor about yourself. Otherwise the opposite of that is being super self important and self serious and then engaging in every Twitter that disagrees.
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Gina Grad
With you totally or then you want to silence any sort of opposition. So if you take yourself so seriously that you're above any sort of, of any sort of cross examination or comedy or mockery, well then, oh my goodness, I'm a protected class. Let's ban that person from Twitter. Let's delist their YouTube video. I mean, and you've seen this in different examples where the social media companies intercede when anyone dare make a joke or go against somebody. And I always err on the side of more speech is better. And even if it's off color or if it's offensive, we're not really supposed to be the umpires of speech in society. It's not what we're supposed to do. We're just supposed to allow people to say what they want to say as long as they're not directly inciting this physical or violence against another group or individual. And the self deprecation part is so important. And the president, you know, for all of his, all the things he gets hurled at him, he can make fun of himself. And his best moments, I think, are when he's self deprecating. Like, for example, they said, you know, what's your favorite color? He says, orange. You know, you got it.
- [130:31]
Brian Bishop
I mean, no, I. I roasted him on Celebrity Apprentice. That was one of the last things I did on the finale.
- [130:36]
Charlie Kirk
When was that, by the way?
- [130:38]
Brian Bishop
Finale, Celebrity Apprentice. For me, roasting Trump probably would have been like, I don't know, 2011 or something. Something in there.
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Gina Grad
But he took it well, didn't he?
- [130:49]
Brian Bishop
Yeah, but I was 2012. I was worried about. He was standing right in front of me and I was making fun of him and it was pretty roasty roast. I know how to roast people. And, and I thought, good, good note to go out on. Everyone please adopt that. Don't take yourself so goddamn seriously, please. Charlie Kirk the maga. Not maga. The maga doctrine. The only ideas that will win the Future. It's out March 3rd, pre order now on Amazon. And the podcast Charlie Kirk show as well. New episodes Every week on Podcast 1 and Apple Podcasts as well. And shoot him a Tweet. Arlie. Charlie Kirk 11. Am I missing anything, Charlie?
- [131:29]
Gina Grad
That's perfect, Adam. Thanks for having me.
- [131:31]
Brian Bishop
Thank you for coming back. And, oh, we got podcast one over here. Sonny told me that I should give people a heads up on his podcast. What the hell is Sonny's podcast called, Chris? Do we know something? Nothing. Yeah, you have it in your hand somewhere. Sonny's podcast fantasy BS today. Talking about the fight this weekend. All right, so check that out. And also check out Tricia Paytas. Oh, she was on there. Catch up with her on podcast one as well. Until next time, Adam Crolla from Charlie Kirk saying mahalo.
- [132:13]
Adam Carolla
All right, that was Charlie's final appearance on the show. Adam and Charlie, one on one. Go back to 2020. Rest in peace.
- [132:45]
Brian Bishop
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