Sammy the Bull Spills Mafia Secrets and Names Names + Vinnie Tortorich Debunks Health Fads + Viral Airplane Meltdown

Summary

Adam Carolla Show Episode Summary Title: Sammy the Bull Spills Mafia Secrets and Names Names + Vinnie Tortorich Debunks Health Fads + Viral Airplane Meltdown
Release Date: July 14, 2025
Guests: Sammy "The Bull" Gravano, Vinnie Tortorich
Host: Adam Carolla
Description: In this episode, Adam Carolla engages in an in-depth conversation with former Gambino crime family underboss Sammy Gravano, delving into the inner workings of the Mafia, its transformation over the years, and its interactions with modern society. Later, nutrition expert Vinnie Tortorich joins to debunk prevalent health fads and discuss effective fitness strategies. The episode also touches on a viral airplane incident, blending serious discussions with Adam's signature humor.

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1. Conversation with Sammy "The Bull" Gravano

a. The Evolution of the Mafia Sammy Gravano opens the discussion by reflecting on the current state of the Italian Mob. He states, "It still exists, but it's more like a men's club now, the violence, they dropped the violence. They don't kill anymore" ([03:23]). Gravano explains that while traditional Mafia activities like construction and union manipulation persist, the notorious violence has significantly diminished. He contrasts the old Mafia's structured operations with today's cartels and gangs, highlighting their "totally different mentality" focused more on drugs and extreme violence ([04:26]).

b. The Mafia Code and Modern Crimes Gravano emphasizes the importance of the Mafia's code, which strictly prohibited certain activities such as drug dealing and human trafficking. Breaking these rules often resulted in fatal consequences. He shares harrowing stories of serial killers within the Mafia, like Roy Demeo, who "killed so many people, and he just got to enjoy it" ([06:15]). Gravano underscores that such behavior was abhorrent to Mafia leadership, leading to lethal repercussions for offenders.

c. Debunking the Richard Kuklinski Legend A significant portion of the conversation tackles Richard Kuklinski, known as "The Iceman." Gravano vehemently denies Kuklinski's claims of murdering over 200 people for the Mafia, labeling him a "serial liar" ([10:52]). He recounts how Kuklinski falsely implicated himself in Mafia murders, including one involving Roy Demeo, leading to Gravano's own indictment based on Kuklinski's fabricated testimonies ([12:46]). Gravano elucidates how government investigations eventually exposed Kuklinski's lies, affirming that he never committed the alleged murders.

d. Impact of RICO Laws on the Mafia Gravano criticizes the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act, arguing that it was misapplied beyond its intended use against organized crime syndicates. He states, "RICO has no. It's made for a huge group like the Mafia... and they confused everybody" ([23:43]). Gravano contends that the RICO law's broad application led to misunderstandings and ineffective prosecutions, diverting focus from more pertinent criminal activities.

e. Reflections on Governance and Society Transitioning from organized crime to broader societal issues, Gravano shares his disillusionment with modern governance. He expresses skepticism about government interventions, taxation, and societal policies, asserting that "they want to keep everybody down" and manipulate systems for money and power ([34:32]). Gravano also recounts personal experiences, such as persuading a friend to evacuate during California wildfires, highlighting his commitment to helping others despite bureaucratic resistance ([56:42]).

2. Health and Fitness Insights with Vinnie Tortorich

a. Effective Workout Strategies Vinnie Tortorich introduces innovative fitness methods, particularly focusing on "Hydro" workouts. He describes Hydro as a full-body workout that "hits about 86% of the muscles" in just 20 minutes, emphasizing its efficiency and low-impact nature ([28:13]). Tortorich advocates for high-intensity, short-duration workouts as a game-changer for maintaining fitness amidst a busy lifestyle.

b. Nutrition Myths and Facts Tortorich delves into common nutritional misconceptions, advocating for diets rich in red meat and eggs. He dismisses restrictive diets, particularly the avoidance of nightshades, labeling them as "lies created by the people selling you the product" ([85:03]). He champions the benefits of whole foods, especially olive oil, which he describes as universally acknowledged for its health benefits.

c. Supplementation and Its Benefits A significant portion of the discussion centers on the importance of supplements like magnesium and creatine. Tortorich underscores magnesium's role in overall health, stating, "Magnesium makes a big difference... it's the most studied supplement in the world" ([89:30]). He advises taking creatine responsibly, recommending no more than 5 grams daily to avoid adverse effects ([90:32]).

d. Debunking Health Fads Tortorich critically examines popular health trends such as infrared saunas and ice baths. He argues that infrared saunas are ineffective due to inadequate heating capabilities, stating, "Infrared is a lie" ([85:03]). Similarly, he critiques ice baths for their impracticality and discomfort, suggesting that simple methods like cold showers are more effective for achieving similar benefits ([86:06]).

e. Endurance Training and Acclimatization The conversation also touches on advanced endurance training techniques, including acclimatization for high-altitude races like the Badwater Basin. Tortorich shares his personal regimen for preparing for such extreme conditions, highlighting the importance of gradual acclimation and consistent training ([78:03]).

3. Viral Airplane Meltdown Incident

Towards the end of the episode, Adam Carolla introduces a segment about a viral incident involving a fight on an airplane. A woman named "Dawson" attempts to skip the deboarding line by moving to the front of the plane ([108:59]). The situation escalates as passengers react negatively to her actions, leading to a confrontation that underscores issues of classism and entitlement in modern society. Gravano and Tortorich interject with commentary, critiquing the behavior and societal norms that allow such incidents to gain traction online.

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Notable Quotes

• Sammy Gravano: "It still exists, but it's more like a men's club now, the violence, they dropped the violence. They don't kill anymore." ([03:23])

• Sammy Gravano: "RICO has no. It's made for a huge group like the Mafia... and they confused everybody." ([23:43])

• Vinnie Tortorich: "Magnesium makes a big difference. I was yelling about that 10 years ago. Now everyone's on it. The most studied supplement in the world." ([89:34])

• Vinnie Tortorich: "Infrared is a lie created by the people selling you the product." ([85:03])

• Sammy Gravano: "If you break that code, you're going to die. There has to be some sort of a code." ([62:20])

• Adam Carolla: "I have a theory about Starbucks and its wild success, wild growth over the last several years. It's women forcing other people to listen to their bullshit." ([95:28])

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Conclusion

This episode of The Adam Carolla Show offers a deep dive into the remnants and transformation of organized crime in America through Sammy Gravano's firsthand experiences and critiques of modern governmental policies. Vinnie Tortorich complements this with a robust discussion on debunking health myths and advocating for practical fitness and nutrition strategies. The interplay between serious discussions and Adam's humor provides a balanced and engaging listening experience, shedding light on both the undercurrents of criminal organizations and the evolving landscape of health and societal norms.

Transcript

[Adam Carolla]

Well, back Sammy the Bull Gravano to tell stories. A lot of street justice, the mob the way it used to be. Very interesting fellow. Lots of good stories and lessons as well. Vinny Tortorich is in. Talk some nutrition and some society mayhem's got the news. We'll do all that right after this. Hey, this is Adam Carolla from the Adam Carolla Show. Betonline continues to be your number one source for all your sports betting action. Baseball's in full swing, football is right around the corner. And Betonline's got you covered with the latest odds, breaking news and live scores. Betonline even has live in game betting. While the games are being played real time from MLB to UFC to tennis to NFL futures, bet online. That's the place to play. And between games, hit up the Betonline casino packed with top Vegas style games, poker and live casino. Betonline has it all. Sign up now and score big with VIP rewards, level up bonuses and weekly cash bonuses. Betonline, the game starts here. This show is brought to you by SimpliSave from Corolla One Studios in Glendale, California. This is the Adam Carolla Show. Adam's guest today, Sammy the Bull Gravano. Plus we'll talk to nutrition expert Vinnie Tortorich and get the news with Jason Mayhem Miller. And now, putting the sack in sacrile Adam Carolla. Yeah, get it on. Got to get on a church, but again on mandate. Get it on. And welcome back Sammy the Bull Gravano. Always a fun conversation when Sammy comes in. The podcast Sammy Scott. Our things available for streaming on Crime and Conspiracy network and the website Sammythebowl.com Sammy, former Gambino crime family underboss, has all the stories, knows where all the bodies are buried and I like his politics. So good to see you again, Sammy.

[Sammy Gravano]

Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here. A while ago and we had a great interview years ago and I'm sure we're gonna have one now.

[Adam Carolla]

I feel it. We are. So let's see where we start with you. Let's just sort of do a quick review so everyone knows where you come from and the backstory and everything. And then we'll kind of get on to it. And then also is there anything as the Italian mob in the United States anymore? Is it all just fentanyl and Mexican and Trey Aragua and all whatever. Is it all just sort of Central America and Mexican and drugs? Is there any more? Is there any more Italian mob at all?

[Sammy Gravano]

It still exists, but it's more Like a men's club now, the violence, they dropped the violence. They don't kill anymore. I don't know if they're doing drugs or not, but I quit the Mafia quite a while ago. But they're not the same anymore. I do know a lot of mafiosos are still friends of mine. And I have a lot of family back in New York. So in New York, part of it, I think the Mafia is just about gone.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. And it's been replaced or it's just gone and there's nothing there.

[Sammy Gravano]

I think it's just gone and nothing is there. It's not replaced. These cartels and drug rings and gangs, they have a totally different mentality than we had. We did different kinds of crimes. Construction, unions, stuff like that. We made money and we were involved in violence, of course, but not like this. And, you know, we had a lot of rules with Castellano and them. When they said, no drugs. You deal drugs, you die.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Sammy Gravano]

So they didn't want drugs around. Of course, some guys, there was so much money involved in it, you know, participated in it and got caught, got busted. That's like with John Gotti and Angelo Eggerio and his crew. If tapes became infamous today that they were sneaking and doing drugs and selling drugs. Selling drugs, yeah. None of them, I don't think, took it. Some people maybe, but most people didn't take it. They just sold it. It was a money thing for greed and power. And I think that's why the bosses didn't want it around anymore. They didn't want that kind of reputation. The cartels in them, that's their whole source of money is violence and ridiculous type of violence. They care about legitimate people and stuff like that.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, so there was a code back when you were in the mob, and the code covered drugs, covered family, I suppose. Would it cover human trafficking?

[Sammy Gravano]

Oh, without a doubt. I never knew of anybody that was involved in human trafficking. If you had a reputation of doing that in the mob, you would get killed.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Sammy Gravano]

So I don't know of anybody who did that that was definitely against anything like that. Even. Like Roy Demayo was killed, he became a serial killer and serial killer, rapist, child molesters, human trafficking, you would get killed for that. Once you developed a reputation for that, the bosses would have you killed.

[Adam Carolla]

This story you were telling me about, Roy, I think last time you were here where he became a serial killer, he did.

[Sammy Gravano]

He killed so many people, and he just got to enjoy it and stuff like that.

[Adam Carolla]

Who was he working for?

[Sammy Gravano]

Gambino he was a made guy in the Gambino family.

[Adam Carolla]

So he was made.

[Sammy Gravano]

He was made.

[Adam Carolla]

And he would do mafia hits at the beginning?

[Sammy Gravano]

Yes, that's how it started. And his whole crew, I mean, he trained them in a different way. And they all became serial killers.

[Adam Carolla]

Really?

[Sammy Gravano]

Yeah, they just killed people. He had a guy who was a bartender. On the corner was a bar. Right around the corner was his club. The bartender was his uncle, they called him Dracula. And he would call up Roy, somebody had there 4, 4:30 in the morning, drunk. And he would say, I got another one. He'd make the guy stop playing cards, go get him, bring him in, shoot him in the head, cut him from his balls to his neck, turn him upside down, hang him in a bathroom, in the shower so he can bleed out. So it was easy when they sawed him into pieces, there was no blood splashing around, Stuff like that, I mean, that's sick stuff.

[Adam Carolla]

And that was just for sport.

[Sammy Gravano]

I don't know what it was. It's the only thing I.

[Adam Carolla]

But nobody called a hit out on that guy.

[Sammy Gravano]

Well, Paul eventually had him killed.

[Adam Carolla]

No, but what I'm saying is the guy that got gutted and bled out, that guy wasn't in the mafia.

[Sammy Gravano]

No, they didn't have a clue. It could have been black, he could have been white, he could have been hispanic. Just a drunk who was in the bar and he was using them to show them the practice and to get their act together. And they all became serial killers. I'll give you one story, one example. They had Roy Demayo, wanted to get this young guy and one day he pulled up to the club with a girl, an 18 year old girl, young girl, his girlfriend. And he was talking to the twins. Joey Tester and the other one, they call them the twins. They went in, they said, roy, he's outside. He said, bring him in. He said, roy, he's got his girlfriend, bring him in. They brought him in, they killed him. He sent the twins out. You talked to her from one end of the car, you know where the steering wheel is. The other guy talks the other way. Soon as she turns her head to answer somebody, the other guy shoots her.

[Adam Carolla]

So he just killed her for no reason?

[Sammy Gravano]

For no reason, just cause she was there. Now in a normal mob, something like that happened, you would back off, leave it alone, we'll get him another time. We're not going to kill this young girl who has no nothing. There's no reason for it, right?

[Adam Carolla]

So this guy turns into a serial killer after essentially getting A taste for blood. Doing Mafia work, right? Killing, yes. And then he just kind of can't stop. And now he's just killing random people. And eventually they figure it out and he has to be killed.

[Sammy Gravano]

Yes. It's just like when you asked about a drug dealer or a child molester or people smuggling young kids into the country. Once they find out you're doing that, they'll kill you.

[Adam Carolla]

But does he need to be killed for moral reasons or practical reasons? Such as? If you're smuggling kids into the country, there's a moral part, and you go, hey, that's wrong. That's someone's kid. But there's a practical part, too, which is, hey, if you get caught as a serial killer, you're gonna bring a lot of attention to us.

[Sammy Gravano]

I think it's a combination of both. I mean, all Mafia guys, most of them were married and had kids. I had a daughter. Granddaughters and people. I mean, for me, it's moral. How could you do that? How could somebody do that? Now, I'm not a psychologist. I'm not into that stuff, but how they turn to become that, I have no idea. But they get used to it. They get blood. Like you said, bloodthirsty. And they just keep going and going and going.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, speaking of that, I was driving in today and I was thinking about this story. I said, I remember seeing a story on a guy named Richard Kuklinski, the Iceman. And I was like, this guy was a mob murderer, and he says he killed 200 people. Over 100 people. They don't really know, but he just killed everyone in every which way you could possibly kill. And then I thought, I think he's a kind of contemporary of yours. I think he was around when you were around. I don't know if you knew him. I looked it up a little. There seemed to be a story at some point between the two of you. But I thought, well, that'd be a good question to ask Sammy.

[Sammy Gravano]

Yeah. First of all, he's a liar. He never killed 200 people, and he really. I don't believe he did any murders for the Mafia. It was put together. He became a witness against me. He told the government that he had killed a cop 21 years prior to meeting me. And we did this together. When they came to me, I got indicted on that case, on his testimony.

[Adam Carolla]

What year is this?

[Sammy Gravano]

Oh, this is way back. I don't remember the exact year, but it's way back. And I didn't have a clue who he was. I found out later on that there's a guy named Bobby Kuberk.

[Adam Carolla]

1980, the officer was killed, I guess.

[Sammy Gravano]

Yeah. So it was 21 years prior to that that I was arrested. So 1980, 2001. 2000, yes, 2001. I probably got indicted on that murder. And he made this story up. Now, through the entire investigation, and people like Jerry Capisi was a writer, they found out what the situation was. He was doing time with a guy named Bobby Kuberk, who was a made guy in our family. When I cooperated, I testified against him, and he went to prison.

[Adam Carolla]

Bobby.

[Sammy Gravano]

Bobby Kuberk? Yeah, when he went to prison, he went to prison with him, the Iceman. And he fed him the whole story about the cop. And he wanted him to repeat that he did it with me so that I would be indicted on the case. One, two. He, Bobby Kuberk, could get retried, in other words, that I was lying in his case and I never admitted to the murder, and so on and so forth.

[Adam Carolla]

Ah, I see.

[Sammy Gravano]

So they picked that up. They knew what happened, where it came from. Bobby Kabarch was so stupid, he filed for an appeal before the indictment even came out. So how would that happen? And it was obvious that he set the whole thing up in play. He knew about the murder, obviously, Bobby Kubrick, and he told the Iceman what to say, what to do. He did it, and that's how we got indicted. Lawyers and prosecutors reached out to my lawyers and said, we know Sammy didn't do this. We know the story. We know what happened. And it's a long story, but they joined my team, actually, the government knowing that this whole thing was a lie. One of the things he admitted to when he made a deal, the Iceman, is that he killed Roy Demeo and put him in the trunk of a car. Now, everybody knew he was found in the trunk of a car.

[Adam Carolla]

Roy Demeo. Who is Roy Demeo?

[Sammy Gravano]

He was a made guy in the Gambino family. So.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, wait, he was the serial killer?

[Sammy Gravano]

He was a serial.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, okay, sorry.

[Sammy Gravano]

So the government came down to talk to him. And then they said, what, did you put him in the trunk of a car? And he said, yes. And they said, well, he was found in the trunk of a car. Everybody knows that there was something on top of Roy Domeo's body. And they said, why did you put that on his body? They didn't tell him what it was. He couldn't answer the question. He had no idea what was on his body. Now I'll tell you what was on his body was a chandelier.

[Adam Carolla]

Chandelier?

[Sammy Gravano]

Yeah. Now, when the guys who killed Roy DeMaio put a car, stolen car, they opened the trunk, there was a chandelier, they took it out, they killed Roy DeMaio, stuck him in the trunk and threw the chandelier in there. It was no message. Everybody was saying, some message, it's this, it's that. They just put it back in the car, Right. And it wound up on top of his body. That was never out to the press, so nobody knew about that but the people who did it and the government. So he couldn't answer that question.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Sammy Gravano]

And he never killed Roy demayo. We eventually found out the government did. And we knew who killed Roy demeo.

[Adam Carolla]

It wasn't him who did kill him.

[Sammy Gravano]

The Roy demeo's two top guys, the twins, they called him. John Gotti originally got the contract to kill Roy demeo from Paul Castellano.

[Adam Carolla]

And it was just because of a serial killing.

[Sammy Gravano]

Yeah. Whatever the reason was, Paul told him. John Gotti, he was very flustered about it. This whole crew was dangerous, you know. And he saw that John got real nervous about having the contract and he took him off it. He said, forget about it. And he gave the contract to Frankie DeCicco, who was a captain in the family. Real tough guy and a good friend of mine. Frankie called me up and said, sammy, I got Roy demeo's ticket. I knew exactly what that meant. So I said, if you're on Beth Avenue, I'm gonna take a ride down. I wanna talk to you. And I did. I went down and I said, frankie, the whole fucking crew is crazy, bro. They're all fucking serial killers.

[Adam Carolla]

How many people in the crew?

[Sammy Gravano]

10.

[Adam Carolla]

Mm.

[Sammy Gravano]

I says, you need my help? And he says, no, I got this. And I said, frankie, they're dangerous. What do you mean, you got it? He says, I went to the two top guys, the twins, they called them, and I told them, all of yous are going to get killed. There's a contract on all of yous. If you kill Roy DeMaio, we'll take the contract off of you two guys and we'll put give you to another family and you'll live. Those are the guys who killed him and put them in the trunk.

[Adam Carolla]

Mm.

[Sammy Gravano]

We eventually took the contract off of them and we gave them to the Lucchese family and Gas Pipe, who was the underboss of the Lucchese family, and he took them. So we knew the whole thing.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Sammy Gravano]

Who did what and stuff like that. And now your audience knows.

[Adam Carolla]

So the Iceman, this was a lot of legend stuff that he cooked up about being this mafioso serial killer or not serial killer, but 200 bodies and all that, that was just him. Is he. Is he in jail still?

[Sammy Gravano]

I think he died.

[Adam Carolla]

And was he with a crime family or was he just sort of a contractor, gun for hire? Or was he. Is this all just sort of made up and he was a serial killer or just sort of ingratiated himself?

[Sammy Gravano]

Yes, he was just. It was all made up. Even the serial killer part. Here's what he did. He was a scummy guy. He would borrow $1500, $1500 off his friend and not to pay him back. When the guy came in and started arguing with him, he killed him. He didn't even know how to get rid of a body. He put him in a cooler in his place, and he froze to see how he's gonna get rid of the body. Finally, he gets rid of the body. And when the police find him, the guy is frozen. So the cops and the FBI, they look into it. This guy's been dead a while and frozen. That's where they called him the Iceman. Ah, so he's done a few of those murders. And one time now, I couldn't say yes or no that he went by Roy Demeo's club. I don't know why he was there, but supposedly I came in, I said hello to Roy. Roy had about 10, 15, 20 people there. I said hello to a bunch of people. I was introduced to him. They said, I shook his hand. How you doing? That's all I ever knew of him. And first of all, I couldn't tell the government. I said, I don't know if I shook his hand. I met him. I don't remember him at all. I never saw him. So I said I could have. There's 15. Looks like I just came in your office and I shook hands with all kinds of guys. I don't know who they are right now. If one of them is a serial killer and you want to talk to me 10, 15 years from now, I won't know who you're talking about.

[Adam Carolla]

Right?

[Sammy Gravano]

And that's what it was with him. And then when I spoke with the FBI and I was arrested and they were working on the case with me with my lawyers. Actually, not with me, but with my lawyers. They told me, sam, you guys lied about everything. My lawyers were preparing my case. They had a big chart, just white papers. Now, the guy he killed and put him in the freezer. It was going to be on there. Joe Blow. You killed Joe Blow. You put him in the freezer. That's how you got that name and reputation. Okay, you did that. Pick up, second page. Whoever. If there was a person, third page. It's empty.

[Adam Carolla]

So he didn't kill all those people.

[Sammy Gravano]

Oh, no.

[Adam Carolla]

What is the best way to dispose of a body?

[Sammy Gravano]

Well, you know, I've heard of a dunk. You know, go out on the boat, put him in a drum with some weights. Throw the drum over the side, it goes to the bottom, it sinks to the bottom. The water's deep. You're never gonna find them. Even if somebody hits them with a fishing line, you're not gonna pull this thing up.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Sammy Gravano]

It weighs 4 or 500 pounds and never pull it up.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Sammy Gravano]

People have buried guys. People have did acid things in a drum. I've heard. I've never participated in stuff like that. Chopping them up like Roy Demeo did. Everybody he killed. They chopped them up.

[Adam Carolla]

Say, chopped up. How much do you got to chop somebody up?

[Sammy Gravano]

Well, here's what they did, what he told me, because I asked that question when he was talking to me about it. He says, I chopped them up in pieces. The leg, maybe three, four pieces. The head from the neck, hand, arm. I break all the teeth out and all these things. He chops them up in fine pieces and then throws it in dumpsters where he knows when they're picking it up. They bring it to the dumps, and when they put it in the dumpsters, hundreds of garbage trucks picking up stuff, throwing it in there. There's bulldozers and tractors going over, and everything is smashed. There's millions of rats.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, so that.

[Sammy Gravano]

Rats anything and everything. And after a while, if that never, you know, nobody ever saw it in a day. They might put a foot of dirt and concrete, garbage. After a couple of weeks, that thing could be six, eight feet under. Yeah, it's gone.

[Adam Carolla]

He'd time it for the pickups of the duster.

[Sammy Gravano]

He knew the pickups. He knew everything.

[Adam Carolla]

This Kuklinski claims to be involved with Jimmy Hoffa's disappearance, but that's probably more bullshit, right?

[Sammy Gravano]

Of course. Yes, absolutely.

[Adam Carolla]

So he was a serial liar, not a serial killer.

[Sammy Gravano]

I think he's. Yeah, more. Yes. Yeah, I would agree with that. But he's a serial everything. You could call him a serial liar, serial killer, serial everything. But the serial stuff really did not work out. He couldn't. His son got arrested and he had called the government. He wanted to tell A story of who's who and what's what. The government came down, his son was pinched on some bullshit drug charges. Now, if he knew stuff, real stuff.

[Adam Carolla]

The son, he could have got.

[Sammy Gravano]

No, the father.

[Adam Carolla]

The father, he would have got the.

[Sammy Gravano]

Kid out in two minutes.

[Adam Carolla]

If he had real information.

[Sammy Gravano]

If he had real information. So when the FBI came down, the information he said that he killed Jimmy Hoffa. They knew that was total bullshit. He said, you know, a few people that. He said he killed the cop, they knew that was total bullshit. He couldn't even answer that. There was a chandelier on the body, right? So they walked away. They didn't get the kid out. He couldn't even make a deal. So if he had anything legit, the agency said to me, listen, if he had anything of any importance, we would have let the kid out in two minutes, right?

[Adam Carolla]

What do you. What's your head on. When you see some case recently like the P. Diddy stuff, and they're trying to get him on RICO acts and racketeering and stuff. Stuff you guys did.

[Sammy Gravano]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And now they're trying to hang that on him. He's doing drugs, having sex parties, hiring prostitutes. But does it make sense that they're trying to get him for, you know, RICO stuff?

[Sammy Gravano]

No, RICO has no. It's made for a huge group like the Mafia. It's an organization, it's a syndicate. And there's a boss and under boss, the concierge captains, made guys and they're doing all kinds of things. Unions, drugs, a hundred different crimes. And that's the syndicate. They go after it and it goes, you know, up the ladder to who is involved in it, who's running it. What he did is. Has nothing to do with the rico. I don't know why the government used the RICO act. It's complicated. Most people don't even understand it. And they confused everybody. What he did, if they would have left the RICO part out. Some of the things he's done is disgusting. The drugs, the beating up the girls and prostitution, all this bullshit would have all stuck and I don't know, he would have done maybe not life, but he would have done a good 25, 30 years. But the RICO law screwed up the whole thing. Nobody in the jury completely understood. Doesn't have that crime pattern. He was a freak.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Sammy Gravano]

I mean, and he did weird shit. And what made it even more in his favor, like that girl Cassie. I mean, he beat her up. And there's a video of it. No question about it. Ugly. But two days later, she's calling him up and wants to do another freakout.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Sammy Gravano]

So how is she a victim? Yeah, most of these men or women went in voluntarily to take drugs, to party, to freak out. It has nothing to do with, like, the RICO stature. Yeah, it really does.

[Adam Carolla]

So they got over their skis, they got overzealous. They tried to charge him with stuff that wasn't applicable, and then lost the whole thing by confusing everybody when they could have just focused on some of the crime. And the guy's, you know, I don't know, 55 years old. I mean, he'd be in jail till he was 75 or 80 if they got those ones to stick.

[Sammy Gravano]

Here's what I think. They got greedy. The RICO law, if you get convicted of that, they take everything. All your money, houses, cars, you name it, they take it. I think they were looking at that.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, they were looking at a more.

[Sammy Gravano]

Than the crime piggy bank. Yeah, they were looking at the money end of it and got a little greedy. And, you know, they have a 95 to 98% conviction rate with the RICO. They felt real secure with that. But they're going against mobs and mobsters. I don't remember being in jail. Black guys and Mexican guys would come over. They got indicted under RICO law. It started against Italians and the Mafia, and then it spread to everybody. Even Donald Trump got pitched on a RICO charge. I mean, they went crazy with this RICO thing because they felt, we can't lose.

[Adam Carolla]

What was. When you were involved back in the day, what year did you kind of get started with the mob?

[Sammy Gravano]

Oh, I was. I got out of the army in 1966, 1968, maybe. I became an associate with the Colombo family.

[Adam Carolla]

What was and how did it change the main sources of revenue? Like, you know, we talk about the cartels, the drug cartels. They sell a lot of pot, and then we decriminalize pot, and they don't sell as much pot, then move on to fentanyl or human trafficking. Or they just keep sort of evolving into whatever's next. And so you hear they go, well, these guys, they were in there with the construction companies, and they were in there with the disposal companies, and they ran numbers and, I don't know, prostitution. But how did it play out? Like, where was the. You know, it's like, me. How do I get paid? Well, I get paid to do a podcast, but I make some money doing live shows. All right, but I sell a couple of books, but I don't make as much selling the books as I do. You know, there's a pyramid.

[Sammy Gravano]

There's a pyramid of it.

[Adam Carolla]

How did it work out? Yeah, I make less off of T shirts and more off of doing standup and then more off of podcasting. But how did it kind of work out with the Mob when you were there at the beginning and then versus 25 years later?

[Sammy Gravano]

Yeah, well, when I went in as an associate, I wasn't that smart. The whole making of what went on. But through time, I completely understood it. And you're right, everything elevates that. You know, years and years ago, when there was Prohibition, it's before my time. But Al Capone was thrown out of New York. He went to Chicago, and he was in wars, and he was a tough bastard. He was doing crazy shit. But one thing he did, though, is he got unions, put them together, made them stronger, and was using unions against contractors and people like that, making a ton of money. And I was told in New York, they said, what is he doing? How is he doing that? And then everybody started understanding how to use the unions, control them, and make a ton of money. And it was a gold mine. There's a lot of things that he actually showed. He was doing things probation. He was making booze and selling it. The government put a prohibition on it. You couldn't drink. And we understood. When I say it's not really me, but the mob itself understood people's desires to do something. They wanted a drink. They wanted to relax. They wanted to party. So when the government stopped, was an easy thing to do. How did we get booze? We could make it, and we could sell it underground. And it opened up underground clubs and parties. And it was selling like it was better than drugs, better than anything. I mean, and people enjoyed it, and they weren't against it. So I think that's what happened with the Mafia. The same thing when you go to Vegas. I forgot exactly who it was. Went to Vegas, and it was on the lam. And while he was on the lam, he went to a small town in Vegas. And when he went in, he was gas.

[Adam Carolla]

You're talking about Bugsy Siegel.

[Sammy Gravano]

Well, not him. But in that era, in that time, and he went in and got gas and was fixed in his car. And he sees them all playing cards, and he sees a police car. So he tells them, he says, listen, guys, I don't really care what you're doing, but you're playing cards, you got money on the table, you're gambling, there's a police car coming. And they said, listen, over here. It's a night against the law to gamble. And he was the first guy who made a call. Bugsy Siegel. Everybody started.

[Adam Carolla]

What?

[Sammy Gravano]

Yeah. And they put things together to build hotels, and they gave them everything. You know, again, they understand what people want. When you went to their casinos, they were comping you with everything. The rooms, broads, drinking, eating, no matter what you wanted. They treated you like a king. People loved that.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Sammy Gravano]

And those casinos were getting off like crazy. And where did they make the money? They didn't care about the food or the booze or the broads. They under gambling. And that became a gold mine. And then every family turned around is looking at it. What? What are they doing? How are they doing it? It's legal there. So if you had gambling in New York or Chicago, wherever it was, you would get arrested for that.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Sammy Gravano]

And here it was legit.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Sammy Gravano]

Same thing when they went to. That's Buggy Siegel. And then went to Cuba. Same thing. It was legal.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Sammy Gravano]

Cuba was paradise for people. They went. Rich people, they went there. It was the same thing. Gambling, broads, everything you could do. And it was legal.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Sammy Gravano]

Until Castro came in and stopped all of that stuff, and he actually screwed his own people because the country became nothing. I mean, and went broke.

[Adam Carolla]

I know. And now maybe New York will go broke.

[Sammy Gravano]

Exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

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[Sammy Gravano]

I think some of them hate the country, to be honest with you, because it's so ridiculous. But the liberal elites up on top, they want to keep everybody down. They're interested in money and power, period. Everybody else, and it's not a race thing. Black, white, Spanish, Jewish, Irish, German, I don't care who you are, they want to break you. They want you to depend on them, their corporations, the government. And they want it to be broke. They want to break it and build it how they want it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I see. What I don't get when I talk to people about it is, have you been to the DMV lately? Have you seen what the government does? I'm in Malibu. There's no permits issued. It's been six months. Nobody's rebuilding anything. The government, all they do is fuck things up. Why would you want to rely on the government for anything? And I've always just said, and I think people think I'm kidding, but I'm not kidding. I said, what if we just put the government in charge of tacos? No more Privateer tacos. No more independent. No more Chipotle. No more taco stands. No more Del Tacos. Nothing. The government is now in charge of tacos. Could you imagine how bad that taco would be and how expensive it would be? And everyone goes, yes, that would be a shit taco and it would be way too expensive. And I go, exactly. Okay, now just do my taco math and spread it out to everything. Because once they have a monopoly on it, that's it. And they don't. They somehow think it's a weird relationship because my mom was one of these people. And they simultaneously rely on the government. Welfare, food stamps, handouts, Section 8 housing, everything. They rely on the government and they detest the government. At the same time, they hate the government and they rely on the government. It's like some shitty teenage girl who Hates her stepdad, but he's leasing her a BMW. But she still hates the guy, but she wants. She wants the BMW, you know, and it's a. It's a horrible cycle. And my thing is just get off the government. Get away from them. They're going to fuck it up. Do not rely on it, on them to help you house you, feed you feed your kids. If they do feed your kids, they're going to feed your kids. Slop. Don't do it.

[Sammy Gravano]

Right. You know, I could give a quick example. I'm not going to use the guy's name, but very wealthy guy. A friend of mine, and one day I got into a conversation. I was complaining about the guests. At one time in Arizona, I was paying, I think $1.90 or whatever the hell it was, and then it went to five, six dollars. And I come back and forth to California numbers through the roof. And I was in this kind of conversation with him, and he says, sam, it's not a bad thing. I said, how could it not be a bad thing? You were paying two or three dollars. Now you're paying seven, eight, nine dollars. How could that not be a bad thing? Maybe, you know, not for you, but for a lot of people. But he said, you're right. You know how long it took me to get to work in California? Now there's a hell of a lot less cars. I Hope they charge $15 a gallon.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Sammy Gravano]

Because it would. He could. Instead of being on the highway for two hours, he could be on the hour, the highway for 25 minutes.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Sammy Gravano]

And it's the $15 means nothing to him from 9 to 15, because he's very wealthy.

[Adam Carolla]

Right?

[Sammy Gravano]

So that's how people look at it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Sammy Gravano]

And I told my friend, I said, that's crazy. But what about everybody else? What about your kids want to go get a car and they want to drive it? I mean, look at the money heads.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, look, it impacts poor people. I've said it a few times, which is. All Gavin Newsom claims to care about in California is the poor brown people. It's all he cares about. Right? He's gonna go fight ice. They're gonna fight ice. They're gonna fight for the poor brown people. What do these people do? They do the jobs Americans won't do. They pick your fruit, they clean your toilets. It's super condescending shit. Who's going to clean my toilet? I don't know. Let's get a brown person to clean the toilet. He's already brown. That'll work. Out. It's insane. But when you have gas at 8 bucks a gallon, guess who it affects the most? The brown guy.

[Sammy Gravano]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

Because the brown guy is driving a full size pickup truck, he's got gardening equipment in the back, the thing gets nine miles to the gallon, he can't afford an electric car. He can't work from home on his laptop like you can. The brown guy's gotta drive across town. He can't live in town. Cause it's too expensive. Because real estate's too expensive because it's overregulated and too much red tape and you've stifled buildings. So that guy has to live out of town and then take his gas guzzling truck filled with the equipment in it he needs to do yard work and drive it into town. And that eight, nine buck a gallon gas impacts the shit out of him. Versus, it's a rounding error for your buddy and versus a lot of people just work at home now. They have an electric car, it's plugged in, they don't even leave.

[Sammy Gravano]

But let me give you the answer to that. I'll give you a quick answer to that. They don't care about brown people. I know it's just a bullshit excuse not to do what they don't want to do and to do the other thing. Like Newsom. I have a lot of friends now. I've been coming back and forth to California and I go to. I became a born again Christian out here in the ocean. Church. I go to church with them. I go all over and I ask them the same question every time I come here. Why do you keep putting this guy in as your governor?

[Adam Carolla]

Why every time. His hair's nice.

[Sammy Gravano]

Yeah. Well, every time I come, he's complaining about everything. The roads, everything. I mean, why do you keep voting him in?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, we're. Well, okay, first off, we are idiots. And we are very aesthetically oriented in California. You know, J.D. pritzker couldn't get voted in as governor here, he's too fat. We are aesthetic. It's like California. We literally were in the film industry. We like, you know, we think George Clooney is a genius because he looks good. You know what I mean? Like, we're very aesthetic here. It's all about how you look in a bathing suit at the beach and stuff. So we are like, when people talk about California, they go, it's beautiful though.

[Sammy Gravano]

It's beautiful. We got the ocean.

[Adam Carolla]

You see the Malibu, it's beautiful over here. And they go to the mountains, it's beautiful. And then they Go Hollywood, the beautiful people. That's where the beautiful people are. We're like a nine year old. And when a nine year old sees George Clooney in a pilot's outfit or a fat guy with a double chin in a pilot's outfit, you say to the 9 year old who's better at flying airplanes, they point at Clooney, that guy, that guy. And you go, how do you know? I go, that guy. And it turns out the other guy could be a veteran and a certified, certified pilot and they'd still go, I'll take that guy.

[Sammy Gravano]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

We're a little bit too aesthetic here. It's the movies, it's the glitz, it's Hollywood, it's premieres, it's the red carpet, it's Malibu, it's all the look, you know, when they show Hollywood, you know, when they do come to California, first shot, good looking guy on a surfboard with a shirt off. Not a fat guy drinking in a basement in Wisconsin or woman walking on.

[Sammy Gravano]

The beach in a bikini.

[Adam Carolla]

Right? Right. So when Gavin Newsom shows up, we go, look at that guy. I bet he could fly an airplane. And we're all like dumb 9 year olds and we go, look at him, he knows what he's doing and that's how we do it here. And we're dumb. And also the Democrats aren't in the business of admitting they're wrong. You know, they just don't go, look, I fucking made a mistake. I voted for the guy cuz I was a Democrat, he fucked the state up, I shouldn't have done it. They never walk it back, they never do a mea culpa. They just go, I'm not gonna look in the rearview mirror, it doesn't matter. I came up with something pertaining to your rich friend in traffic and you know, 10, $10 gallon gas years ago. I'm curious what you think of this. And I would, I would abide by this, but I bet our government would fuck it up. But I used to say on Loveline, the radio show I used to do with Dr. Drew and people can find tapes of it from like 19 I'd be. This probably said it in 1996, 1997, gas was, you know, buck 75 a gallon, buck 35 a gallon out here. I used to say all the time I make good money on the radio. I was doing a syndicated radio show, I was starting to do some TV shows, stuff like that. The traffic sucked. And it doesn't matter how rich you are, you're sitting in traffic you're sitting in traffic, without a doubt, you being a Lamborghini Murcielago, going four miles an hour on the 405, okay?

[Sammy Gravano]

Exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

So I said, look, if somebody said, we're just gonna raise. We're going to raise the price from back then. Buck 65 a gallon. I said, raise it to 10 bucks a gallon. I'll pay. Anyone who wants to get to LAX in 25 minutes will pay not to sit in traffic. But I need the extra 8.50 a gallon to go to buy vans. And I want van pools and I want free van rides from the people that couldn't afford to live out here, and they live in Simi Valley. There'll be van service, picking them up, taking them to their job, dropping them off at work, picking them up, taking them home. And the LA freeways will be nothing but vans and Lamborghinis. At this point, I'll be in a Lamborghini. And by the way, if you're poor, you get a free ride. It ain't even a buck 65 for you. You don't have to pay car insurance. You don't have to upkeep, maintain maintenance. You get a. We'll have so much revenue from the extra eight bucks a gallon worth of gas, they'll go right into this. We'll just have a fleet of vans. They'll have territories. They'll pick up the thing, they'll get on a schedule to take them in. I go, I would do that.

[Sammy Gravano]

Great idea. And it's great thinking. And because you a good man, you're thinking about them and you're thinking about solving the problem. But they don't want to solve the problem. That is the problem. They don't want to solve it. They don't want to listen to common sense. And I think once you say, I'm a Democrat, no matter what the people do, you accept it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Sammy Gravano]

And it's like you're handcuffed to talk back or to do anything. You know, I give an example. One time a guy gave me a haircut. It was an Italian guy. I was in a barbershop and he cut my hair. My hair was long back in those days. He cut it and made a mess of it. So I said, bro, look at what you just did. He said, bro, we're both Italian. We're Italian. What the fuck does that got to do with it? I said, my hair's a mess. I don't care if you're Italian, black, white, Spanish, I don't care what you are. You screwed up my hair. I would say that in a minute. Why won't we say that to the government? Why won't we say that? If we were a Democrat? If I was a Democrat. If it was. I mean, I was a Democrat growing up. Because they were the easiest people to bribe. We loved them.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really?

[Sammy Gravano]

Oh, without a doubt. You couldn't bribe the Republicans or, you know, conservative people.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, that's interesting. Because of religion?

[Sammy Gravano]

No, not religion. The Democrats were easy to bribe.

[Adam Carolla]

No, I'm saying wanted them in office. No, what I'm saying is oftentimes religious people, that becomes a barrier for whatever you're asking them to do. That's immoral. You know what I'm saying?

[Sammy Gravano]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And I would say that Republicans would tend to be religious more than Democrats.

[Sammy Gravano]

Oh, without a doubt.

[Adam Carolla]

And it is interesting. It's something I think about all the time. It's very telling. Very telling. I had the guy who runs that organization, Tunnel the Towers, and he'd do all the spots and they raise all the money for the disabled veterans and build them homes and stuff like that. And by the way, I told that guy, we'll find his name. I can't, I can't think of his name. But he came in here, I said, jesus Christ, I would want, I would put you in charge of the homeless in Los Angeles because this guy gets shit done.

[Sammy Gravano]

Oh, yeah, you know, he's a good man.

[Adam Carolla]

And every, you know, for every dollar that comes in, 96 cents gets spent on new construction not wasted with some non government organization or whatever the Fuck. We spent 24 billion, billion on homeless. There's nothing we get, nothing comes out the other end. But Frank Siller, he came in here and he's a respectful guy and he's bipartisan. He'll take anyone's money and he's trying to build these homes for veterans. But when you watch the commercials, it's always like Mark Wahlberg and guys like that showing up. It's never all these lefty lunatics that show up Hollywood types. It's always sort of the conservative religious guys who, who show up. And I said to him, just mouth of babes kind of thing. I said, you know, I watch Fox, I watch cnn. I see every spot on Fox. I see you have spots on Fox. You turn on Fox any random time of the day, you're gonna see him and Mark Wahlberg raising money for veterans. I said, I watched CNN for two hours in an airport the other day. I didn't see one spot, no, zero spots. And he said he Was trying to be respectful. He said, we tried cnn. I said, well, I don't get it. What happened? It didn't work out. I said, what do you mean, it didn't work out? It's just we didn't get a response. I said, oh, you do it on Fox. You're talking about veterans showing the flag, the country being patriotic, and the money comes, the donations pour in. You do it on cnn, you get nothing. I said, that's telling. That's telling to me in terms of how they feel about this country.

[Sammy Gravano]

Right. I can't understand it myself. I think I understand a lot of things, especially all my years in the mob. And I cannot understand how people just don't understand this basic. You don't have to be smart. Basic principles and what's done to you and when people are lying to your face.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Sammy Gravano]

I mean, I feel like going. I mean, I think California is gorgeous. I love the state, the weather, the whole thing. I got friends here. They even told me sammy could move here. I said, you couldn't pay me to move here. Why? I went for fucking breakfast. And it cost me $60 for breakfast. I had two eggs.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sammy Gravano]

I mean, number one. Number two, the taxes are through the roof.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Sammy Gravano]

Number four, every time I get on the highway, I'm cursing at everybody. I can't move. I'm stuck in traffic all the time. We went to a cigar bar. 1.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, wait a minute. Find Gavin Newsom explaining traffic. Cause you're gonna love this, Sammy. Cause he was on this show and I was complaining to him about traffic. This is about 12 years ago, right? I just said, what's going on with the traffic? What are we doing? Why are we doing this? Let's fix this. Let's work on it. Say something. Do something. You know? And he had the most Gavin Newsom answer you've ever heard in your life. But it was a perfect. We'll find it when we. A perfect Gavin Newsom answer. I'll cue you when we got it. All right, now, sorry, continue. When we got it, I'll tell you about traffic.

[Sammy Gravano]

All right, good. Yeah, but, you know, so it's so obvious to everybody, and I don't see why they don't want to change it. I just don't understand it.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, I'll play this clip now, which I think you'll enjoy. This is Gavin Newsom on the subject of traffic. And this is his solution for traffic. All right? All the other states do it. LA and California with some of the worst traffic in the world. Interesting. Doesn't have a policy that Idaho thought of. Is that right?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

This can't be the first time you've heard this.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, not specifically this. I just. I saw a billboard out on the 405 says, you're not stuck in traffic. You're thinking, how the hell. What does that mean? Says you are traffic. Which I kind of like, which sort of made the point. Wow. All right. He liked it. I guess he likes traffic, according to. To him. I mean, let's just say it wasn't traffic. Let's just say. We're saying, forget about traffic. Let's just say human trafficking. If he said, I was sitting on the 405 and saw a billboard that said, you're not in human trafficking, you are human trafficking, and I went, yeah, I kind of like that. Then I guess that mean I'd be for human trafficking. I guess. Well, certainly not trying to solve the problem. So he just admitted he's not into solving the problem?

[Sammy Gravano]

No, I mean, he's an idiot. I mean, when they had the fires here, I mean, I called a lot of people, all my friends, Nick Polegi, everybody called him up on the phone.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, Nick Polegi's been on this show.

[Sammy Gravano]

Yeah, he's a good friend of mine, and I'm working with him today still.

[Adam Carolla]

Are you writing?

[Sammy Gravano]

No, I'm not writing. He's right.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, yeah, he's the writer, but I just mean.

[Sammy Gravano]

Yes, absolutely. I'm. I'm so my show, TFX and Disney.

[Adam Carolla]

And Nick wrote Goodfellas or what?

[Sammy Gravano]

I can write Goodfellas. He wrote all kinds.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. He's been in here.

[Sammy Gravano]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Casino.

[Sammy Gravano]

Casino.

[Adam Carolla]

Are you working with him on a TV show? Yeah.

[Sammy Gravano]

Oh, yeah. A scripted show. It's almost like the Sopranos, but it's the story of my life. There's a lot more truth in it than the Sopranos. Sopranos was based on a true story. I know the family that they were talking about, most of it was Hollywood. I mean, you're not going to stop Hollywood from being even in a true story. I mean, they're creative minds, and they, you know, I tell the truth. They do the movie.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Sammy Gravano]

They have the brains to do it, the creativity to do it, the imagination to do it. So nothing's 100% true or false. You know, sometimes you get a documentary, you could do that, but not in the movie. You want to capture the audience. You want to give them pleasure of watching it. But, yeah, I don't know where I was going.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, you were working with Nick Pileggi. Which is kind of cool.

[Sammy Gravano]

Oh, yeah. And Terry Winter.

[Adam Carolla]

Terry Winter. Where do I know that name from?

[Sammy Gravano]

He wrote this. He was. He took the Sopranos from season two all the way through to the end. He's a great writer.

[Adam Carolla]

So you have, though, you have the Casino, Goodfellas and Sopranos guys working on your project.

[Sammy Gravano]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

That's a good crew.

[Sammy Gravano]

I put together a pretty good crew. When I say pretty good, I think it's one of the best crews that's ever been put together.

[Adam Carolla]

Boardwalk Empire.

[Sammy Gravano]

Yep, Boardwalk Empire. You name it, they've done it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Sammy Gravano]

You know, one or the other or the combination of them. And. And so. And who is it? Aaron Kaplan.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow.

[Sammy Gravano]

Is in with me.

[Adam Carolla]

So when is this going to come about?

[Sammy Gravano]

Well, we're already talking writing, doing things, and I would imagine that when we talk about the stage where we're starting to hire actors and actresses and stuff like that, it was already put out publicly, so I'm not.

[Adam Carolla]

What's the process like when you go to Nick Poleggi's house, sit down, start talking stories, memories.

[Sammy Gravano]

Yeah. You know, when I went to his house, I was talking and he was showing me everything. The backyard. He lives all the way up on top of the mountain. And he was showing me the pool. He was talking about his wife who passed away a long time ago. And this and this picture and that plaque and this. He adored his wife who passed away. I saw that clear after a while talking about it. I tried to change the sub because I almost saw tears in his eyes. He misses her so much. He's 92 years old.

[Adam Carolla]

He's 92.

[Sammy Gravano]

When they had the fires here, I had called him up. I said, get out. I got some people and friends could pick you up and get out of there.

[Adam Carolla]

He's in the Hollywood Hills.

[Sammy Gravano]

Yeah. And he said, no, I'm going to stay here. So I said, why would you want to stay there? I mean, you know, the house might go on fire. How are you going to get out? You're on top of the mountain. It's going up. You can't get rescue. You can't get nothing. You're finished. He said, I'm not leaving my wife.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow.

[Sammy Gravano]

If I die in this house, I die with her.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow.

[Sammy Gravano]

I was blown away. So I called J.J. sachs, very close friend. He's worked together. And I said, jj, tell him to get out. I got a couple of friends of mine in California. Tell him not to be scared, because I'm going to send them up to his house and I'll drag him Out. He's got to get out of there. He said he won't go, Sammy.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow.

[Sammy Gravano]

So tell him I'm going to drag him out. I'm serious. Don't call the cops. Even if he calls the cops, cops can't get up there anyway. So I don't care what he does, but I'm going to get him out of there. I'm not going to watch him die in this fire when I have a shot to get him out. So he made some calls and he got some of the, you know, the ex wife guy. Wife who passed away at Sons or somebody went up there and convinced him, come to our house, get out of this house for now. And he called me back, JJ and said, we got him out. Sammy. Don't nobody there. I got this done. So, yeah, he's such a great guy. And that's how we. When I went to his house, like I said, He's 92, one of my employees, and he says he had a typewriter there. And I said, you still use a typewriter? Yes, yes, on occasion. I got the fancy shit, too. And he had a script in there that he was writing. 92 years old, still writing it. He said, you can read it if you want. He's such a great guy.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Sammy Gravano]

I mean. And when he told me that about his wife and how he felt, I did a little piece of art, a picture of him and his wife who had passed away, an old picture. And I had it done. I fixed it up, edited the whole thing, cleaned it up, put a frame on it and sent it to him. And JJ said, sammy, he cried getting this picture of himself and his wife.

[Adam Carolla]

So for you, as I hear this story, it sounds like. And it sort of was a mob code thing. It's like a character thing. Like when you hear. You hear about somebody feels this way, acts this way, you go, okay, I know that guy's good. I don't need to know other things about him. I just know who that person is based on this, you know? And if you're doing other things, like being a serial killer, you kind of know who that guy is, too.

[Sammy Gravano]

Oh, absolutely.

[Adam Carolla]

And there seemed to be a code that doesn't really exist anymore. It's just sort of every man for themselves. Make the most money it can or whatever it is. But there was a code. And guys like you respond to the code. When you sort of see it, like, you go, that's a standup guy. It's a good guy. See the way he treats his kids, you know, that kind of Thing I love that.

[Sammy Gravano]

Now the guy could be a tough guy, could be a killer and I could sit with him and relate to him and talk with him and understand him, what life he was in. Now let's say you were a killer and you're not a mafia guy. You were in the service and you killed people. Now you're not really a killer. You're killing for the country for the what they're telling you to do.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, it's your job.

[Sammy Gravano]

And you come back, it's your job. I killed for the mafia. I never woke up in the morning wanting to kill anybody or do anything. Most of these hits, I didn't do them, I structured them, I was part of them. So legally I got the label of 19 murders. But I didn't kill 19 people. I was involved.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, well, listen, I don't think, and.

[Sammy Gravano]

That'S that RICO law again.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't think people, including myself, have a fundamental moral issue with killing people that need to be killed. I think our problem is killing the 18 year old girlfriend outside of the club.

[Sammy Gravano]

But that's disgusting to me and everybody else.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. So I guess what I'm saying is, is if somebody's a serial killer or somebody is. Whatever. Whatever that person is. I don't really. You know, when I hear about a gang banger getting shot, I don't weep openly for the gang banger. It's more like the innocent kid who gets shot, you know?

[Sammy Gravano]

Of course.

[Adam Carolla]

Is there anybody that you killed were a part in the planning of killing that turned out not to be a bad person or need to be killed?

[Sammy Gravano]

Oh, sure, there was a few things. There was a young kid who was killed once and the contract wasn't on him. It's a long story and I think I'm being sued for it, but I don't even want to get into it. But there was no contract on him. There was no need to kill him. He tried to. Luis Melito was a shooter. He was shooting at somebody. He ran at Louie Melito. Louis Melito turned around and killed him. You know, I'm sorry that happened. And Louis Molino was sorry. We were all sorry that happened. But it's rare. We always try like in the mob. I know when I got made there's a rule against bombs.

[Adam Carolla]

No bombs, no bombs because people collateral bombs.

[Sammy Gravano]

You're gonna collateral damage and it's gonna hurt our reputation. Well, they do that in Italy. Who gives a fuck what they do in Italy? This ain't Italy, this is the United States. We don't do It. Occasionally it happens. My best friend, one of my best friends, Frankie DiCicco, was killed by a car bomb. So sometimes it happens, but it's not something that we want to happen. We all have children and grandchildren and stuff like that. So when we deteriorate a neighborhood with drugs, I mean, our kids are in those neighborhoods, right? So we're doing it to our own kids, right? Now, if we don't want to do it to our own kids, why do we want to do it to our neighbor's kids or anybody else's kids?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, well, code.

[Sammy Gravano]

There has to be some sort of a code. And that's the thing about killing in the Mafia. We have a code. You break that code, you're going to die. Now, if you don't have that code, most guys in the Mafia could kill. Most probably a high percentage, 90 something percent. So if there's not a code where you pay with your life, how do you control that 90% or 90 something percent who are killers? How do you stop them?

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Sammy Gravano]

If you say, I am a killer and I am. I was, how do you stop me? If there's no. I come in here, I don't like your answer, I don't like your question, I shoot you. There's no. In other words, there's no responsibility. I don't get in trouble for it. Nobody cares about it.

[Adam Carolla]

Right?

[Sammy Gravano]

Why wouldn't I shoot you if I didn't like you, or I don't like the way you're questioning me or whatever? So there has to be a code. No matter where it is, whether it's a mob, cops, FBI, other countries, there's got to be a code. We just bombed Iran to stop them from having nukes, right? They're screaming, let's kill Jews, let's kill Israel, let's kill the United States. You can't give them a fucking nuke.

[Adam Carolla]

I know.

[Sammy Gravano]

So you got to stop it. So bombing it. I think I know.

[Adam Carolla]

People are like, how come they don't get a nuke and we get a nuke and Japan gets a nuke? I know. Because we're not homicidal maniacs who want to kill Jews. That's why. Why we get a nuke and we're.

[Sammy Gravano]

Not screaming, let's go kill Arabs, let's go kill Muslims. We don't do that. Right. They're all over the place. I have Muslims working for me.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I know. That's why they don't get. It's an easy answer.

[Sammy Gravano]

Yeah, but people don't understand those answers, I guess.

[Adam Carolla]

They don't. All right, Sammy, let me give you a plug. Because, man, you blink your eyes and an hour goes by with Sammy. Our thing is the name of the podcast. Once you come in here again, when you and Nick Pileggi, you know, get a little further down the road on.

[Sammy Gravano]

This project, without a doubt, when we get a little down on it, here's what I do. I live in Arizona, and I travel here to California, and I talk with them, meet with some of them, go to Denver, and then I meet with people who I like. In doing interview, I did a few interviews, and now I'm doing an interview with you. I've done an interview with you a while ago, and I think the world. You have a ton of respect for you and your team, and they're great, the whole bunch of you guys. So that's what I do. I come down, I see whoever I can see, friends and stuff like that. You know, when I was building my studio, your guys, your tech guys, your people in the back, the girl who set this all up with my girl, I had asked them the last time some questions on how to set up what's the better microphones, this, that, and the other thing. This team was great. They didn't even hesitate on a call to help.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, that's good. I'm glad to hear that.

[Sammy Gravano]

Oh, you girl. We were coming in a little late. We had traffic. My girl's on the phone with your girl. She was so polite. So, you know, that's what I do when I come here. If I get to the point where we're gonna do some stuff, and I would tell Nick, he's here, you know, if he wants to, we can come together and do an interview together. It would be my pleasure. And I'm sure Nick thinks the world of you, too.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, he's been in here, and I think. I'm trying to think how long it's been a minute. But yeah, Nick Pileggi would be. Would be good, and it'd be awesome. See you two together. All right, we'll take a break. Come back. We got Vinnie Torrich. What's paisan day over here. And we'll do some news, and we'll do that after this hydro. Well, it's that time of year. That's right. I'm already logging miles just living life and traveling plans nonstop, everything. So I don't need to add even more running around to get the workout in. Not only that, you got to find a place to park and everything. I was on my hydro about 15, 20 hours ago. That's right. It's easy. I do it for 20 minutes. You just, you go kind of hard for 20 minutes. I stop at the 10 minute mark, take a sip of water, get my wind and right back on it. Hydro's been such a game changer. Gives you a full body workout. Arms, legs, core, everything. Hits about 86% of the muscles and you do it in one session. So whether you're going hard or just trying to stay active, hydro meets you where you're at. It's beautiful, by the way. It looks like a beautiful, modern piece of furniture. It's low impact, easy on the joints. You don't get bored. They have real Olympics. Olympians, I should say, lead you in workouts, filmed amazing outdoor spots all over the place. Watch that, watch the TV, whatever it takes. You're done in 20. It's hydro, right? Dawson, skip the gym, not the workout. Stay on track with hydro for a limited time. Go to hydro.com and use code ADAM to save up to $475 off your hydro. That's H Y--R-O-W.com code ADAM to save up to four hundred seventy five dollars. Hydro.com code ADAM. This summer, Pluto TV is exploding with thousands of free movies. Summer of cinema is here. Feel the explosive action all summer long with movies like Gladiator, Mission Impossible, Beverly Hills Cop, Good Burger and Dark of the Moon. Bring the action with you and stream for free from all your favorite devices. Pluto TV Stream now pay Never. Here's a memorable moment from the Adam Carolla Show's ACE Awards archives. I don't know if they did it on purpose or inadvertently, but I think you'll hear some smoke on the water coming out of these ladies. 100%. That's smoke of the water.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I haven't seen it.

[Adam Carolla]

But did they know it?

[Sammy Gravano]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

I'll tell you why.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Because that was the very.

[Adam Carolla]

As people were clapping at the end of the Kate McKinnon sketch, that's what she was doing. Oh, she said, smoke on the water. Sing it. And that's what she did. Oh, she did. Gay, gay. As people were applauding her off. Gay, gay, gay. Yeah. Gay, gay, gay, gay, gay.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Sucking cock in a mobile.

[Adam Carolla]

The 2025 ACE Awards coming this December. Now back to the Adam Carolla Show. Vinnie Tortorich and Sue. That was him chiming in at the end of the gay anthem.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I completely forgotten about that.

[Adam Carolla]

I forgot about. That's the beauty of this. It's all.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

It's like, where are they going with this?

[Adam Carolla]

I didn't know where they're going, where we're going either. Fitness Confidential is the name of the podcast website. PureVitaminClub.com is where you can go. Real good docs. Fat A Documentary and Part two out There. Beyond Impossibles out there. Very good, informative docs. I mean, it's gotta be nice to have RFK Jr in every one of these. Every second article I read saying, carnivore diet steak, you gotta have red meat. People were healed on this and all their many medical issues cured when we put them on this. And after, I don't know, 20 years of being called a heretic, I guess even more.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

And, you know, think about it. The first time I walked in here in 2015, Dr. Drew told me that you guys got hate mail and people concerned because I told people to eat bacon and eggs. They were like, man, you're gonna get sued, Drew. You're gonna get sued for. You know, and when you think about that, just the craziness around all of it. And, you know, I was at a rally. I was at some event. I was speaking up in D.C. right before the election. And then after the event, we all went and sat at some dinner, and they were looking at me going, where do you think this is headed? And I said, listen, there was a woman at the table and her wife. I said, I know you're not going to like this. I know you're not going to like this. I said, I don't do politics, but you better hope that somehow RFK ends up somewhere near the White House, because it's the only chance we have. And I'm not a big fan. And I even have a daughter goes rfk. You know what he wants to do? He wants to do A, B, C and D. It's like, I don't care. He wants to do something.

[Adam Carolla]

Something.

[Sammy Gravano]

Yeah, right.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I mean, first things first. I've been at his parties. I did his events. I did his comedy events. He's been in here. He's a serious, substantial guy. I mean, you cannot. There's a lot of people. And it sort of saddens me that people don't really know who people are. And it happens a lot. Like, you go. You. You know, they go. They have some, you know. You know, District Selectman bitch in San Diego are like, elon Musk. Get out of here, Dumbo. Nobody wants to hear what you have to say. And what have you done? Nothing. That's what you've done. Nothing. It's like, okay, it's just. Shut Up. You're dumb. You're dumb. There's like, Karen Bass is dumb. Now you can go, well, I disagree with her politics. Okay, but she's also dumb. Where RFK you can disagree with, but he's not dumb. He's gonna read you chapter and verse of cases that go back 30 years that he's committed to memory. And he's done a lot. He's a substantial person, and there's a lot of people. And I think it's just part of the politics. Wren, like, Mark Garrigus is a friend. People disagree with a lot of the cases he does. And his daughter just got done with P. Diddy's case and stuff that you go, I don't agree with defending Michael Jackson. I don't. Okay, say whatever you want. He's not dumb. You can't go, the guy's dumb, or his ideas are bad, or he doesn't know what he's doing, Right? I can say that Karen Bass is dumb and doesn't know what she's doing. So let's not lump Elon Musk and RFK Jr. In with Karen Bass or Gavin Newsom. Those guys are fucking dumb. Or Maxine Waters or whoever the dingbat du jour is that you guys are voting for. You're voting for dumb people. I would rather vote for smart people that were off on a couple of subjects than dumb people who are wrong about everything.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Well, the fact of the matter is no one is gonna agree with everything all the time.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, also with RFK Jr. It's. It's a lot of bad publicity. Most people would agree on about 90% of what it is.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

He said, right, but they do the identity game. And once you get into the identity game, everything else is just off, right?

[Adam Carolla]

But he wants to do something, as you said. And I was like, this is interesting. I'd be interested in getting your take on this one, Vinnie, because we never really got into this, but it's. I. I'm like a truffle pig, you know, I just go sniffing around. I just go sniffing around, sniffing around. And then stuff starts coming to me like a soothsayer, right? You know, I mean, I just go quiet, quiet. And stuff starts to flow in the divining rods. Yes. Dr. Drew said to me the other day. I didn't even think about. He goes. He goes. Ten years ago, I said, where is this country going? Where's it going? Because Drew, who sat next to me for 30 years, he goes, you always know where we're going. He just said to me, Where. Where are we going? Ten years ago, I said, safe spaces and octagons. Safe space is an octagon. You want to live in California, you want to live in la, you want to live in a safe space? Crawling, you know, you live in a sanctuary city, step over human feces under homeless people everywhere and fucking illegals everywhere selling hot dogs on the street. Or you move to Florida and go to an octagon, drive a pickup truck, be fucking left alone, not have to pay shitload of taxes. Wanna put a deck on. That's your business. You don't have to pull a permit. So I said, safe space and octagons. And every two years, he'd go, where are we going? I go, safe spaces and octagons. And then he said to me, like two days ago, he goes, they're putting an octagon on the lawn of the White House.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

For real?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, they're having a UFC fight.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Are you fighting?

[Adam Carolla]

You know what? I'd like to be confirmed on that card. Yes. And he said, my God, when you said safe spaces and octagons, Trump, who's the octagon guy? I didn't think it'd be on the lawn of the White House. I was metaphorically talking about moving to Nashville or Tennessee or Arizona. I wasn't talking about actually physically having. But he said, my God, you were dead nuts on. And I was like, yeah, that's right. It's safe spaces in octagons. That's. He's an Oxford president, where this thing's going. And I realize what's going on is there is a group of people that are the process people. They just want to talk about everything, right? It's like, okay, you have the border, right? So Trump is not a process person. He's a commercial builder.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Rick Caruso is not a process person. He's a commercial builder. Like, what's going on? Where's the fucking concrete guys? Where are the sheet knockers and the tin? Who's hanging the drywall? What's going on? Like, where's the schedule now? Karen Bass and Kamala Harris and Newsom, they're all process people. So when they talk, they talk about a seat at the table and treating the homeless with dignity. Nothing ever happens. You go, okay, just look at the border. Okay? Kamala Harris, you're the border surgeon. We're not talking about a meeting about a committee. I'm going to go into the triangle countries and I'm going to about talk. Talk to the first lady of El Salvador. We're gonna talk about the root cause, right? Okay. Two years later, borders ride fucking open. Trump gets in office, three days later, border shut. Right? Not a process person. That. Go fucking do it person, right. Louisiana is all processed. California's all processed. And I realize we just wanna talk and talk and talk. It's a chick thing, also weak dude thing.

[Sammy Gravano]

But we just process.

[Adam Carolla]

We just talk. And FDA, whoever, whoever was doing whatever RFK's job was, just would sit and talk and nothing ever happened.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

And those people were actually morbidly obese. You look at rfk, the guy could do pull ups and push ups and everything else. The people before. Yeah. You know, it's funny, I just had whiplash because I spent the last 10 days out in Lone Pine, California. There's nothing in Lone Pine other than the tallest mountain in a contiguous United States, Mount Whitney. And every year, if I don't have anything else to do, I go there because it keeps me personally honest. I gotta be in enough shape to make it to 14,500ft. So that's what I did.

[Adam Carolla]

You do that one day?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah, you pop up and pop. A lot of people do two days, they sleep halfway up and then go. But I always do what we call the flash and pop it up, pop it down. Takes about. It's 22 miles round trip. It takes anywhere from 14 to 16 hours, depending on the weather. At any rate, the reason I go when I go is because there's also the best athletes in the world out there at that time. The bad water 135, are you familiar with that race?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, the ultra endurance race. Oh, Goggins did it.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah, Goggins did it.

[Adam Carolla]

He.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

You know, the reason Goggins became a big thing was it was basically the first time a black guy was found in that desert. And one photo of him muscled up and everyone, wait, wait a minute. It's not like skinny white chicks anymore. This guy, at any rate, that race, and my buddy is the guy who presents the race. He puts it on every year. I sponsored it for years with my vitamin company and the whole deal. But I go out there because these are the best athletes in the world. And they all hang out in Lone Pine before they go down to the Badwater Basin to start the race at 120 degrees Fahrenheit.

[Adam Carolla]

I was gonna say Badwater Basin is the hottest place on the planet.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

On the planet. The hottest recorded record.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I've been Badwater Basin.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

And it's the lowest point in the Western hemisphere.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

And they go halfway up Mount Whitney at the End.

[Adam Carolla]

It's Death Valley. I mean, it's Badwater Basin near Death Valley.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

It's in Death Valley.

[Adam Carolla]

It's in Death Valley.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

It's in the Death Valley is a bowl. It's in the bottom of the bowl.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. If you go there, there'll be a mark up on the mountain like 180ft and it'll say sea level, something like 380ft.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

And it says this is where you're looking up to see where sea level.

[Adam Carolla]

Impact crater. I don't remember. It's something.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

It's just. Yeah. Who knows what it is.

[Adam Carolla]

How low below sea levels, Badwater Basin. Into this. I read it. He extolled in his book about how tough that race is and how badass.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

It is to get up. Ridiculous. It's just ridiculous. So at any rate, I'm there with all the runners. A lot of them know me because I sponsored the race. I gave them free product for six years. Okay. You're there with these people. You don't see a cell phone, you don't see a tablet, you don't see people, you don't see anything. You see people running and training. You see their crew running and training, doing everything. Logistics, pulling it together just to get this one person to run 135 miles from the hottest place on the planet up to 8,000ft above sea level. It's a ridiculous feet of courage.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

This is what I've been with. And at the same time, I'm sleeping in my car at 10,000ft so I can quickly acclimate to go do the mountain. This is what everyone's doing.

[Adam Carolla]

282 is. And how long are you staying up there?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

To get acclimated, you need at least three days. I'm well acclimated. So three days above 10,000ft, especially if you sleep at that, you could get enough red blood cells to where you don't throw.

[Adam Carolla]

Pump it up in a man. Yeah.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Because we would go for a week for just enough.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

You know, a lot of boxers used to.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. We do mixed martial arts. Go to Big Bear, you know, train at 9,000. Exactly. So that you get. Yeah. Full blood. Red blood cells pumped in there. Yeah.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

And the thing about Big Bear is, you know, you want. Sometimes you want to sleep high, train low.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

So you can sleep there, get down and train low, and then get back up again.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, because while you're resting, you're developing the blood cells.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

That's where the red blood cells. Exactly. This guy knows the stuff.

[Adam Carolla]

That's why I brought him in.

[Sammy Gravano]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm real pumped for this with you, sir, because I figured you guys would connect. We could tell you now, what do you think about hyperbaric oxygen therapy? Like down here at sea level? Do you think that there's enough time in the day? Like in you got every night?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

There's two different things. There's hyperbaric chambers that's pumping more oxygen in.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

So you, you would use that to recuperate burn victims. This, that, you know, you can use, of course. But I've actually, back when I used to do the ultra cycling races, I would sleep in a tent.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

That would pump more nitrogen in, pulling the oxygen out. So you start sleeping at 8,000. You get used to it. You move it to 10,000, you move it to 12, 15.

[Adam Carolla]

So it pushes your body to develop oxygen on your own.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

But here's the thing.

[Adam Carolla]

You're starving oxygen.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

You need to be in it for 10, 12 hours a day.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh. To see the effects.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

You're not. Yeah. People at seven, eight hours, you're not going to see much because the system.

[Adam Carolla]

Because your system has to adapt to the lack of oxygen.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

You need to be there longer. But it does work if you, if you really. There was a woman who did Mount Everest a few years ago, and I think New Balance or one of those companies paid for it to have it at work. So her workspace was that and at home. And they got her. They. They flew her up to base camp, helicopter. And she was able to tap the top.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, wow.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

So it can be done without oxygen. No, she had oxygen. Yeah. She's not. I mean, very few people in the world.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. You have to be like, well, I didn't know the hyperbaric talk if she was able to deal with it.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah. Well, everyone there acclimates for months.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

But she acclimated while she was still at work and they still can't, you know, I mean, still have to have oxygen. Yeah. Unless your name is Anatoly Bukharev or any of the people that live right there in the region. The Sherpas.

[Adam Carolla]

What's new and exciting in the world of health is it. I mean, we talk about meat, we talk about eggs. Eggs, best thing you can eat. Right. Kind of perfect food still.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

There's cold plunge in, there's sauna, infrared sauna versus traditional sauna. There's a thing that I don't like, but they closed it. They close it down, so I don't really care. But the equinox that was in on Sunset. They shut because of the fire. Right. But I was able to use it for about a week before they shut it. And I'd see everyone go from the fucking sauna into the cold plunge. And I was like, you're all covered with sweat. Yeah. And they'd go, well, I like the heat. And then into the cool. And I'm like, yeah, but they tell you to shower and wear trunks because they don't want your sweaty, hairy ass literally open the door and then getting into the cold plunge and the water is not piped in or circulating. It's just a tub. There's a carbonian oil slick on the top of it. Yeah. Yes, yes. But what is the difference between the infrared. Have we settled on an infrared crisis?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah. All right, so I hate. All right. Infrared is a lie.

[Adam Carolla]

It's a lie and people are gonna go video.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I know what he's talking about, actually, I do know what I'm talking about. These things can't get hot enough.

[Adam Carolla]

I did weight cut science with this. And we have that red sauna. Sauna's good. It gets hot. But when I put him in the regular sauna, he cut the weight way quicker than in that infrared sauna.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah. Because you can bring, you know, if you get up to 180, 190, that's what you get in a regular sauna. Infrared.

[Adam Carolla]

What?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

You're lucky if you see 150.

[Adam Carolla]

Lucky. I mean, look, here's the Mason Dixon line. Not as a sauna expert like you two, but as a mechanical expert. If the shit plugs into the wall. Doesn't run off at 240.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Thank you.

[Adam Carolla]

Fuck it. It's not going to work. You buy it on Amazon, you plug it into the wall. Your daughter's room, she went off to college. It's run off 110, 120 household current. That ain't going to heat up. You need. You need not enough juice. Yeah, the wavelengths are not. You need the 240.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

All the crap about, oh, the red say gets in. No, it's a lie created by the people selling you the product.

[Adam Carolla]

On the flip side is the stupid ice bath. It's not an ice bath. It's just like. It sprays you with cold air and it just. You're. Oh, that thing everywhere.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

That thing, it gets up to 300 degrees or whatever. I. I got in that thing and say, you gotta put these mitts on your hands. I went in there, I hate being cold. And I was like, I know it's coming at some point. And they went all Right. That's three minutes, you're done.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm like, no, it's a joke.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Are we kidding you?

[Adam Carolla]

It just gets your nipples rock hard.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

It didn't even do that for. I'm, like, sitting there going, what?

[Adam Carolla]

I'm glad I didn't pay for it. You know, they got them at all the UFC gyms. They have, like, a weird deal with them, but it doesn't work.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Here's the deal. They have infrared things that you could put on your head to grow hair. Put it on there. Let me see if it grows hair. It's not gonna do it. Just like the infrared. So sauna's not gonna.

[Adam Carolla]

So you need sauna. The sauna's gotta run off with the dryer. Runs off of the 240 with the special plug.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

You need the big, ugly plug.

[Adam Carolla]

And if you ain't sweating, you ain't Nasana.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

That's correct.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, there's that. And then as far as the cold goes, you know, you can use a swimming pool during the winter months. You can just, you know, I've been displaced. Fucking Equinox has closed down. I just go into the shower. You just stand there for a second. You just blast it on cold.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Oh, that would.

[Adam Carolla]

It hurts. And if you're in Boston in January, something. It hurts hard, but it's really about the shock. It's not really about soaking in it. It's more of, like a jarring mental whatever. But cold and hot, good. Just don't get all sweaty and Armenian and then jump in.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Sweaty and Armenian.

[Adam Carolla]

What's new in the food realm? Like what? Any supplements? Anything that we've learned that's newer because, I don't know, in a weird way, maybe the Greeks had it all figured out. I mean, maybe it's all just red meat and eggs and exercise and it's really. O'Reilly. Oh, oh, oh. O'Reilly Auto Parts. Yeah, they're in the business of keeping your car on the road. O'Reilly Auto Parts offers friendly, helpful service and the parts knowledge you need for all your maintenance and repairs. Love these guys. Always go and get my stuff from O'Reilly. They know what they're talking about. In a world of big box stores where no one knows what the hell they're talking about, that's not O'Reilly. The people who work there are informed, they're enthusiastic, and they know their business. So whether you're a car aficionado or an auto novice, you'll find the employees at O'Reilly Auto, well, they're knowledgeable they're helpful and best off, they are friendly. So you can stop by O'Reilly Auto Parts today or you can visit us online@o'reillyauto.com Adam that's o'reillyauto.com Adam this summer, Pluto TV is exploding with thousands of free movies. Summer of cinema is here. Feel the explosive action all summer long with movies like Gladiator, Mission Impossible, Beverly Hills Cop, Good Burger and Dark of the Moon. Bring the action with you and stream for free from all your favorite devices. Pluto TV stream now pay never.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

It's the same thing. I've been yelling for years. Get enough magnesium.

[Adam Carolla]

Magnesium.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Magnesium makes a big difference. I was yelling about that 10 years ago. Now everyone's on it. The most studied supplement in the world.

[Adam Carolla]

Magnesium in supplement form or found in.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Get it in supplement form. You're not gonna get enough in your food anymore.

[Adam Carolla]

Take it in the morning because they say take it at night.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Take it twice a day. But if you take it at night, it'll relax. That's why the nighttime thing came around. The problem with a lot of different magnesiums, if it's just straight carbonate and you take too much, you're going to have a problem. Think about it, milk of magnesium. When you were a kid, it made you crap. So you want to make sure you're taking a broad spectrum magnesium with all of the magnesiums. Creatine, it really does work. It's the most studied supplement on the planet and it will give you an edge because it works within your Kreb cycle. It makes energy, it helps with ATPs and everything.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know. The thing about creatine is we have some here. I never get the dosage part figured out. You can mess that up. Yeah, you get real locked up if you have a little too much.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

You don't want to take more than 5 grams a day. So that's like a little bit teaspoon or a little scooper.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, they come with the little scooper cappy thing.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Level that off, that's five grams. And here's why. A day we make creatine. Your body makes it so it's a non essential. You get it from meat, you get it from eggs, you get it from a lot of things. But you can supplement it at 5 grams. These kids that have taken 20 grams, even the ones that do the loading mayhem knows this, the loading phase and all this kind of stuff. No, because it's gonna make your body down regulate the creatine. It's kind of like guys that take steroids right.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Their body down regulates their nuts shrivel up and everything. It's the same. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Where are we with certain like you know, God, what do they call them? The night blooming vegetables or the sort of the Tom Brady or. They don't eat tomatoes.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Nightshades.

[Adam Carolla]

Nightshades? Yeah. Like, I mean, I know I can hear Vinnie saying, look, no one gets fat off of eating fruit and no one gets fat off eating vegetables. But if you want to make shelf pineapple and banana smoothies, you will get fat. Not all fruits are created equally and not all vegetables are created equally.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

That's correct. But there's a yes and in there or but you know, you don't want to have potatoes.

[Adam Carolla]

Right?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

That's on the glycemics. It's all about glycemic, you know, if you bring your glycemic level up, you're going to get fat. It's just a fact. I don't make this stuff. I wish I made it up, then you could call me a liar. But you know, you got guys out there saying oh, you gotta peel a tomato. Peel a tomato. Are you freaking insane? Take the seeds out of a tomato. You ever try to de. Seed a tomato?

[Adam Carolla]

Not lately.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

You got that kind of time?

[Adam Carolla]

No.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Oh, the lectins and the. No, you see, it's a bunch of doctors who can't make money being doctors. So they write a book about lectins and this, that and the whole thing. They're bullshitting people. No one ever got sick from a tomato. Go to Italy. You want to see some healthy people. The longest living men in the world are in Sardinia. They're eating tomatoes. And I guarantee you they're not taking the COVID off the seeds out and the whole thing. They're cooking it, they're eating it.

[Adam Carolla]

So lots of olive oil.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

The more olive oil, the better.

[Adam Carolla]

Olive oil is the one thing that nobody ever reverses course on. Like we have arguments in this country in my lifetime, the arguments over red wine, coffee and eggs have just gone on in perpetuity. We've now at some point just got to a point where just went, look, if you want red wine, you want fucking coffee and you want eggs, just go eat them. I don't care anymore. But we used to argue it'd be a thing. Red wine's good, red wine's bad, coffee's bad, red eggs, non stop, non stop egg debate for 50 years. Cholesterol, lots of just. I picture my poor grandpa Laszlo. He liked his little poached egg now he had soft Boiled egg. He even had a holder. He had a cup. He had a little. A trophy for gerbil that held this thing up. And he liked to crack the top and pull the top.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

My wife is European. She does that.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, they do that. And he loved his thin rye toast from the German bakery they could put butter on. And at some point, it was taken away from him because it was explained to him that margarine and he had to eat, you know, porridge instead of the egg. And I felt bad for him because he was needlessly suffering when he could have been eating what was actually good for him.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

If you go to any of these doctors that do the. Hey, we're going to check your blood. We're going to check you for allergies. Whenever someone comes to you, oh, I have my blood check. It's like, let me tell you. Let me tell you. They told you to never have an egg again, right? Hell, yeah, they told me I'm allergic to eggs. Yes. They tell everyone. Every one of those kooks will tell you, you're allergic to eggs. And the fact of the matter is, no one is really allergic to eggs.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Or very stupid.

[Adam Carolla]

I think that the staple foods, like he said, olive oil that's, like, developed in the Fertile Crescent, like, olives, have been with us, humanity for eternity. So of course it's gonna be good. It's only good news and then better news. It's olive oil. Everyone. You talked. People who disagree on everything nutritionally don't disagree on olive oil.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

We all come together and everything else. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Where are we? What about. I hear sourdough bread, Then I hear where people go, well, you know, you travel to Italy. You travel, you're eating pasta every night. Never gain an ounce.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

That's true.

[Adam Carolla]

Because they got the good stuff over there. They got the good stuff over there. And here. Our stuff's all junk, shit. Our bread, our pasta. It's all bad. But if you could get the good stuff. And I'm like, well, half the shit I see says imported from Italy on the land.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

But still, they can put all the crap in it to sell it to us. They can't do it for them.

[Adam Carolla]

But I think to myself, all right, if everyone is just telling me, you go to Italy, you get the good stuff, you have pasta every night, you never gain an ounce. Well, then where is that available Here? Because somebody's got to go, well, we're just going to have it available.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Basically be Amish. You got to make it yourself from scratch. Yeah, yeah. And you're not buying.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, there's nice restaurants where they go, pasta made fresh here, but they're not using our flour. Not their flour.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Good luck getting the good stuff.

[Adam Carolla]

So there isn't nobody. And all the talk recently of this has gone, I'm just going to import this shit they sell.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I think some people do, but it's so expensive. I mean, restaurants work on a margin. That's just.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, but for you at home, you.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Could probably do it and that'd be a cost.

[Adam Carolla]

And then what about. And is there a company or something? Is there somebody who makes that?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Probably the way you could get everything online now you can, you know.

[Sammy Gravano]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, Andrew, look. I mean, what would you look for, though? Would you look for, like, made for Italians in Italy or something?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I don't know how you would find it because I don't eat grains at all. But, you know, they have like one.

[Adam Carolla]

Or two ingredients, right.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Or three ingredients, versus we might have pasta with 15 ingredients.

[Adam Carolla]

And what's all the sourdough talk I hear?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Okay. That's like. You're a smoker, right? That's like saying, okay, I went from Camel to a filter.

[Adam Carolla]

It's better. I mean, it's better, but it's not.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

You're not getting.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. I can't imagine a brain touch your lips in a long time, like, no rice. No rice or brown rice sometimes.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Nah, no, we discussed that on the show a long time ago. White rice is actually better.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I told you white was better. But no one would delicate. We listen. They clipped it.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Brown rice matters.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, So I. Speaking of. Speaking of being allergic to eggs, I was watching. Someone tweeted me in New York. They'd flooded the bike lanes with the fire hydrants and people. Kids were all playing like it was 1962 in Harlem.

[Sammy Gravano]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Like, it was throwback, right?

[Sammy Gravano]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And there are, of course, the poor kids because the rich kids go to the pool. The white rice ain't going down there. That's the brown rice. Right. And it was like, literally, someone just turn the key on a fire hydrant, flood the bike lanes that no one uses anyway. And the kids were like, had the zippy board and were sliding through the, you know, what was. You know, it's street water. I'll show it to you. Which is kind of. Kind of funny. Funny in that it was very 1970s New York. But I was looking at it. I think we have it somewhere. We'll put it up. Yeah. And I was looking at it and I was like, oh, yeah, these poor Kids, I don't mean poor kids. I mean kids that are disadvantaged financially and you had to make your own fun. Some are fun. They're making their summer fun out there. And they're all brown kids and they got their trash can lids and they flooded the street. And I'll just play it to you for a second. They got the fire hydrant, shooting the stuff out and they're all. It's probably all Spanish, right? Yeah, yeah, you can turn it up so he can hear it. Probably, yeah. There's that part where it was discussed and they flooded the bike lane and they're in inner tubes and run around.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I like everything.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm all for it too. Water park number one. Number two. But here's what I'm saying, all right? I want all these kids tagged. I want to tag them. I don't mean graffiti. I mean, I mean like a polar bear, like a migrating whale or something.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Around the wrist.

[Adam Carolla]

It could be an ankle I'm not, you know, I'm not aware of. Or it could be the ear. I can notch the ear. It's like a cow. It's very painful initially and then almost nothing.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

It's like an ear.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah, I'll notch the ear. I'll give him a number. We'll get a scanner on him. Yeah. And then I'll go back and run into these kids when they're in their early 20s and I'll ask them, do you have any food related allergies? Do you have any environmental allergies? And the answer will be fucking no. Because I floated in a street full of soot. And by the way, that was my parents idea of a good Saturday.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I went home, we had three cats and four dogs. We ate shit. There was no five second rule. There was like a five day rule. Shit fell on the floor. And I guarantee none of these kids are gonna have any foodborne. Allergic to eggs, allergic to gluten, nothing. They're not gonna have anything. And then you take the white kids who stayed in, who got bathed in Purell, who were never allowed to go out because their parents would look at that and go, that's disgusting. You wanna go out there and catch a disease? Hear that, kids take a sip of street water, Right?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

But no one our age. Mayhem. How old are you?

[Adam Carolla]

I'm 45. Coming up.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

So you're around that age where it could, you know, you guys get allergies and.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I see that. Yeah.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

And no one our age. 60. You're at least 60 now, right?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. No one. Nothing Listen, I just heard about peanut allergy. I can't imagine somebody would be allergic to something so banal as a peanut. No, nothing existed. Nothing existed.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

It was just unheard of.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay? It was also. It's also. It's a kind of a luxury when you're poor to be just. Here's what I'm saying. You're poor and you're gonna say, no, no, I can't eat that. I can't eat that. I can't eat that. It's like being raised on a desert island. Whatever fucking floats up to the shore. You're eating it. You don't have any. That is a luxury going, no, no, I don't do that. No, no, I don't do that. I did everything all the time because I was hungry and I was poor. So it's a bullshit luxury item. And then eventually your system does turn on you because you deprive it of any type of exercise. It needs to push back a little, needs to fend some things off. And you raise them in a bubble like John travolta in the 70s. Deep reference guy. Bubble breath.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

But look, it's that whiplash I was talking about was in the desert with normal people.

[Adam Carolla]

No one.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Everyone's just drinking black coffee and running and doing it. I drive from there to here. They told me, wait an extra half an hour. Went down to the coffee shop to the Starbucks. People are walking in, I need soy this and half whip that. Words I can't even put together.

[Adam Carolla]

I came up and I'm sitting there.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Going, and they're not even dressed properly.

[Adam Carolla]

It's like, did you look at yourself.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

When you left the house? I had such whiplash from that.

[Adam Carolla]

I have a theory about Starbucks and it's wild success, wild growth over the last several years. I have a theory. It's women forcing other people to listen to their bullshit. So they go in there and they go, I want a half. I want a soy. Do you have soy. Are you do soy almond milk or soy milk? Because every chick I know is this way. Because I go in there, just give me a tall black coffee. Room for cream? No, just tell them black. Good, I'll put it in if I do it. Done. I don't need dominion over this squire I'm speaking to. Women need to go. And they go, you got the soy or you got the almond or you got the coconut? And they go, we do. We got coconut or almond. Okay, I wanted the coconut, but you got the almond. All right, okay. So first of all, get some feelings out I want you to know my feelings about performatives. Yeah, I see. All right, so give me a. Let's do the almond latte, extra hot, light foam. Light foam. I've heard of light. I don't know. Do you like foam or do you not like foam, bitch? Are you pro foam? Are you anti foam? Are you sort of middle foam? No, light foam. What it is, is I have instructions for you. You need to listen to me, and you need to be dutiful about these super inane instructions. Yeah. Ordering co is a process. It's basically who invented the train on the gown. You see the Met ball? Yeah, it's bitches, bitches, get behind me. What do you do? Just carry.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Just walk behind me.

[Adam Carolla]

Fucking look down, don't look down. No eye contact. You carry the back part of my dress that normally drags in the street, but you just go ahead and do that. It's that. It's like now. Now it's the bridesmaids. You're gonna be wearing purple. I look fat and purple. Yeah, yeah, that's why. And by the way, here's what I want you to do. I want you to get in the bridesmaids dress, I'm gonna get my wedding dress. You carry my train. We're going down to the Starbucks, and I'm gonna order a super complicated fucking drink. And then my head will explode and I'll die. Feminism's final boss. I want the least amount of conversation with the person behind the counter they want the most. And then at some point, disappointment sets in. I asked for light foam. This is medium foam.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Do they really do that?

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, it happened. I was at a Starbucks. I was doing a race at Laguna Seca. I was at a Starbucks in town, and I actually heard the light foam request from a bitch. And I really. I can't make this shit. I'm not smart enough to make up light foam. I don't even know that's a thing.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I was gonna ask. Is it the tight foam or is it, like, bubbly and loose?

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, no, now you're getting to a whole foam clustered light foam. Yeah, yeah, but this bitch wanted it hot. Extra hot. I didn't even know coffee is coffee.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

What do you mean, extra hot?

[Adam Carolla]

Sit there for an extra 10 minutes.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

You could get to 212. That's it. What do you mean, extra hot?

[Adam Carolla]

I don't. That's the whole point. I do believe that the success of Starbucks is women ordering around, people commanding. Commanding command. Well, you forget, it started as a luxury item. Like, people had that cup and were, like, showing it off, like the thing when it before, you know?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

But wait, you know what? The new thing. I heard this. I heard this yesterday. There's a new thing now where. Get this ready. Kids are. Now they figured out they can make coffee at home.

[Adam Carolla]

What?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I'm not making that up. They're making coffee at a. And a few months ago, I'm sitting. I talked about it on my podcast. Kids started raw dogging airplane flights. And I was like, what does that mean? It's like they get on the flight, they don't watch a movie, and they don't use any electronics. You mean every fucking flight before, like 10 years ago? So I was raw dogging it my whole life and didn't know it.

[Adam Carolla]

That's right. Yep. Raw dogging.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I don't even know what raw dogging means.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, what they do is they take a behavior that existed for 100 years, and then they give it a title, and then they launch it like it's something. It's called economy class and fucking sitting there. That's what it's called.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

The first time I got on the plane, we didn't have much money when I was a kid, but when I played college football, we were flying right to Colorado to go play, and we get on the plane, so the team is on commercial flight. When the flight got in the air, they started handing out cigars. Not to us. We wanted them. We were in college playing ball. But that was available first class or.

[Adam Carolla]

Just if you bought a cigar.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I think first class got them. But then they were, like, offering. They were handing out cigars in a tube. Not in a cigar tube.

[Adam Carolla]

We're in a tube. Yes.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Now you can't.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I don't agree with smurgy. I like that no one smokes. I like that no one smokes on the plane. But when I first started flying, they weren't just handing out cigarettes. They were handing out something that puts out way more smoke. Like a hookah bar.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, it's incredible. It's. Oh, just old stuff. Somebody tweeted me a meme a couple of days back. He said, tell young people that there was a time in this civilization where we had a phone number that you could call if you wanted to know the time. Yeah, it's like. Yeah, I remember calling the time because, like, call this number. I know what time it is. Was the number popcorn? Oh, like, it worked out as popcorn. Oh, really? Yeah. I never knew that. All right, Mayhem, you got some news? Yeah, definitely do there. Yeah, definitely do. You ready? For it right now? Yeah. All right, cool. First up, a nasty fight breaks out on the plane as a lawyer tries to skip the line and deboard. First, I want to know what you think about. I got thoughts. All right, let's. Let's watch the video. I want to wait for the people in front of me to get up. That's how we do it.

[Sammy Gravano]

Oh, my God. You're all whining for no reason.

[Adam Carolla]

Kid. Crying is awesome. I hold. Get up the way you want to. All right, pause it for a second. Dawson. She did the thing that's now in Vogue, which is she walked from the back of the plane to the front of the plane to deboard. And look, when you do that. By the way, I've been sitting on the aisle up front. When people have done this, you stare at a guy's ass crack for 22 minutes. I mean, by the way, you can say what you want about, you know, male intimacy, but the reality is, is I'm six two. I'm sitting on the seat. This guy's six two, and he's standing there. His. His ass crack is nine inches from my face. Right? It's pretty rare. I know for you it's a fucking Tuesday. Figure four with some head. I rarely have my head in that proximity of a guy. A strange guy's asshole. Now, I'm well aware of it myself, but it'd be a weird if you just thought of a thing where it's like someone goes, look, you sit on this folding chair. Yeah. I'm gonna have a guy stand on an apple crate, and he's just put his ass about 9 inches from your face. You'd go, what the fuck are you talking about? Oh, we'll do it for 20 minutes. We just sit there. The fucking aisle is 16 inches wide. This guy's fat. You just sit there. So listen. Okay, okay. Million things. So she's doing it. She's doing this thing. There are many. Not everything is codified into law. There's just certain decent humanity. Sort of like when you're driving, it's kind of a zipper, you know, go ahead, I'll merge. Then you go. Then you go. Like, sometimes you do that. Go ahead. And three people go. And you go, okay. That's not how we do this. One at a time. We're gonna zip her in. We're gonna merge. She's just doing this. And the people are calling her out on it, rightfully. So we'll play a little more. And she's firing back. Simplisafe. Here's the deal. Most security systems, they wait until after someone breaks in. That's too late. I use Simplisafe because it actually stops crime before it starts. Imagine that. A little prevention. An ounce of prevention's worth a pound of cure. Their active Guard Outdoor protection has these AI cameras and real people watching your place. If someone is creeping around, lurking in the bushes, the agents can talk to them, flip on spotlights, even call the cops right then. Not after your stuff's gone. No contracts, no hidden fees, none of that nonsense. Over 4 million people trust SimpliSafe. I'm one of them. So it's not just me. It's over 4 million people. Plans start at around a buck a day. You can try it out for 60 days, see if you love it. And you will. You got 60 days to try it out. Money back if you don't love it. It's SimpliSafe. Two I's in there. SimpliSafe. Right, Dawson? You can get 50% off your new Simplisafe system with professional monitoring and your first month [e-mail] Adam. Just head to simplisafe.com Adam to claim your discount. And make sure sure your home is safe this year. Keep your home, your family and your peace of mind protected with Simply safe. There's no safe like Simply safe. This summer, Pluto TV is exploding with thousands of free movies. Summer of cinema is here. Feel the explosive action all summer long with movies like Gladiator, Mission Impossible, Beverly Hills Cop, Good Burger and Transformers. Dark of the Moon. Bring the action with you and stream for free from all your favorite devices.

[Sammy Gravano]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[Sammy Gravano]

You're just a cavern.

[Adam Carolla]

And that's just the way it is. Deal with it, people. My God. I dated this lady.

[Sammy Gravano]

It's not affected any of you.

[Adam Carolla]

It does affect you. You have to wait longer to get off the plane. You're the Karens about it because you're the ones.

[Sammy Gravano]

You're the ones who are making noise.

[Adam Carolla]

Nobody bothering you. It's not even. I just love. There's a kid crying. Yeah, yeah, it's perfect.

[Sammy Gravano]

Yep.

[Adam Carolla]

Cuz you've never said one. I can tell you have. Oh yes, I can give it your accent. I can tell you can be a. No, you're not going to insult someone because of an accent. We're not doing that. This is a low IQ human being. Yeah, it is. You ain't going to change this.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

She's enjoying this.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah. No. I dated a mean Iranian lawyer just like her. Yes. Who's Vicious and like. Likes to all the time. A constant argument. That's just how she talks.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

So everything is a thing?

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. Yeah, she just wants to win no matter what. Look, not to be racial, okay, but I have students that are Iranian. Very stubborn guys. So. Listen, there's a reason why that fucking place is a shithole. Ashtray. It's a culture. They have a shit culture. Not all of them, but, you know, not all of them. Enough. Enough to ruin. Enough for us to be angry and boss. Enough to ruin. Enough to ruin a region.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

But she's enjoying this. You see, I've always said, you know, if you take the woman in the pink and the two guys, I always say, it's the sound of one hand clapping. Don't give them the other hand. You have no sound.

[Adam Carolla]

I pulled that move in. Just dead silence and, like, I don't understand English. I'm sad to say that there needs to be an intervention at this point. Like, I fly. I fly first class sometimes. I never got the you get to get on the plane first part of first class. I never. What. What's the biggest perk is I sit in the front of the plane and you bang my knee with Your Samsonite times 250 people that get on the plane and then we leave. By the way, I don't get anything. I'm sitting there now. First class is not first class. You order a scotch, you'll be like, sir, wait till we hit our cruising altitudes. It's not like you get a cheese platter or anything. You just sit there and get eyeballed by everyone who gets on the plane. Why is that a good thing? So here's what I'm saying. I've said to people a million times, what if we're just taking a bus to Phoenix? And they go, all right, well, Adam, the average ticket on this bus was $33. Yeah. You paid $87.

[Sammy Gravano]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So you get to go on the bus first and wait for everyone to load up. I'd go, how about this? How about I'll go sit at that bar, and then when everyone's loaded up, you can come get me and I'll get on the bus and then we can leave. I'm in first class, spend an extra 40 minutes on the bus.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Alright, so I have a thing I always ask my wife, because she makes all my flights. How big is the plane?

[Adam Carolla]

Right?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Because if it's. I fly in first class a bunch. And if it's the one where you turn.

[Adam Carolla]

If you turn left, you're in first class. If you turn right, you're not in real first class.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yes, but you have the bigger. You have the big wide seat, even if you turn right. But here's the problem I have. I feel like if I get on that plane before anyone else, I feel like everyone's judging me for being in first class. And I don't like that feeling.

[Adam Carolla]

I just maintain eye contact.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

So I get on line.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm always getting on my. I get on last. But now in this new world non order we're living in, I've gotten on last and had to have my bag gate checked. And I'm like, hey, bitch, I got a first class ticket on this flight. It's like, well, they filled your overhead space. The assholes going to the back of the plane threw all their shit up in the front of the plane. So now we got a problem. The problem is you're unloading your bag up front and then go sitting in. You go. You're. You're in aisle 27. You threw your bag in aisle three. That's where my seat is. But you got on before me. And nobody polices this shit anymore. Now we land, and you get up at aisle 27, you walk up to aisle three, and you put your fat ass in my face. Cause that's where your bag is. The one is perpetrating the other. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, we need to fucking police this shit. You have the space above your seat. You don't have the space in the front of the plane. That's the space of the people who bought a ticket in the front of the plane. Yeah, that's the new rule. And also, you don't get used to head in the first class either. You didn't pay for it. Yeah, tough shit. Literally go the back now. I was like winging the curtain open and flying in. I'm going to go shit up first class, and then I'll just go back and sit and coach. Yeah, fuck that. You didn't pay for it.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

And it's a lot. I think it's a lot of money. I don't do the tickets myself, but I think it's a lot of money.

[Adam Carolla]

First class. It kind of depends. But what people don't really get about the first class is like, other forms of life are sort of like, you go out to eat, you know, well, you go to a decent restaurant that. The burger's 26 bucks. All right, well, how much is the steak? Well, the flank steak's $49. Okay. What's the filet mignon that's 51. You know, it's just kind of incrementally moving up the list. First class. You fly first class, you can fly coach to New York for $289, and you go, what's the first class? That's 3,300.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I don't think I'm paying that much.

[Adam Carolla]

It's not twice. It's. Oh, it'll vary. And it can. And sometimes it's a little bit more, but that's when you turn right, and it's a smaller plane. But if you want to fly to New York and you want to turn left, you're not talking about two or three times what coach is. You're talking about nine times what coach is.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I'm going to have to have a talk with my wife.

[Adam Carolla]

Crazy. Yeah.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Really?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I mean, I don't know what things called. You just crashed these budgets debate. If she's a good woman, then she'll say, I use your mileage to up upgrade yourself. Yeah, yeah.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

That's what she tells me all the time. It's like, we have so many miles because of your.

[Adam Carolla]

Trying to get you to shut up.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

You ever sleep? You ever get the sleeper thing?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I never have.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

That's like, oh, dude, you got. You got to get out of them to get you a sleeper.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I did find out. I was talking to a young guy once and. And. And he. I don't know how it came up, but he was like, you ever beat off on an airplane? And he's like. He's like, yeah. And I was like, oh, yeah. I guess the guy was like, six, four, you know, I go, yeah, stand up in that little bathroom with your head pressed against or whatever. No, I did it laying down.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Really?

[Adam Carolla]

I go laying down. What do you think? I should have got the sleeper. I got the cocoon with the. I'm like, oh, right, yeah. Shit. So look forward to that.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I've not tried that.

[Adam Carolla]

No, but the guy flew before you did, and you're now in his bad water basin. Eskimo brothers. All right, there's 34 seconds of this left. All right, we'll play this. Yeah, it is. You ain't gonna change this. I love when they say ain't and they talk about low iq. I use aids, and I, I, I'm in a doctoral program.

[Sammy Gravano]

It's a big deal.

[Adam Carolla]

Big deal. She's a lawyer. Do you even know the word racist means? Wait, you're white? Because that's racist. Maybe xenophobic. If you're Talking about accent. Maybe get the vocabulary right. When we get off this plane, I'll meet you out there with my bar card. Got her bar card goes viral. You'll lose that, too. Sure. Yeah. I should call her.

[Sammy Gravano]

I just love that there's a kid.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

You like that, don't you? I'm looking at you.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, no, I hate that. And I'm so glad I left it behind. But it reminds me of the exact. And coincidentally, she did lose her bar card. She did? Yeah. Yeah. Well, look, here's the new world order at the airport. If people can fly with their dogs, they'll fly with their dogs. Dignity's dead. Dignity hit some rough air, hit the side of a mountain, and burst into flames years ago. So there is no more dignity at the airport. All right? There's only strict enforcement of everything now. There's no more, you know, we're taking anyone's word for anything. There's dogs at the airport. There's poop all over the airport. We need stringent regulations and enforcement. Sorry. We never thought we'd come to this place in society where we had to say, you can't throw the bag up top. You can't shit up first class. You can't get up early and go walk to the front of the plane. We get off in the order that you're seated in, but we're gonna have to start. That's where we're at. And the problem is they decided somewhere along the way, sort of 9 11. Around 9 11. And then Covid kicked it into a different realm. We decided that the stewardesses or the flight attendants or whatever, now they're always like, we're here for your safety. We're here for your safety. Yeah. You're not here to do shit. It'd be like if you went to a restaurant, you sat down in a booth and you just went, could I get a martini? I'm here for your safety. And he went, yeah, I want a drink, though. Yeah, well, mainly here for your safety. Like, okay, I'm feeling pretty safe. I'd like a drink and some appetizers. I'm here for your safety, but let me check on the drink. It might take a while. That's kind of what it's turned into. They used to be there to bring you shit, right? Now they're here for your safety. So now, here for your safety, no more enforcing anything. No more bringing you shit. No more anything. And so there's nothing inherently dangerous about any of this activity. And they just back off. Plus, no one will talk about it. But there's a weird classism thing that we've all freaked out about, which is, I go, hey, I pay an extra thousand bucks for this ticket. I don't want that fat ass coach coming in here and shitting up my head. And they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. That sounds pretty elitist to me. That's like. That's just math, you know, it's like, I go to the casino, I go in with the whales, I do a lot of gambling, I get a comped room. Absolutely. That's just how life works. That guy fucking playing nickel slots, he doesn't get a comprom. Why do you get a comp? I get a comprom because I pay.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

But it's basic meritocracy. If you work hard and you have extra money and you want to have something you want to have doesn't make you a bad person. When did that become a bad thing?

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, let me tell you. I'll tell you when it became a bad thing. It's all our fault. It's not the poor people, it's not the dumb people, it's not the lazy people, and it's not the politicians. First off, politicians just lick their finger, go, which way is the fucking wind blowing? What are we talking about? Black Lives matter? Yeah, okay, I'm down with that. What is it again? What's it stand for? What? Ivermectin. Yeah, what's that? Horse paste. Oh, yeah, okay, whatever. I'll just say whatever the fuck I'm gonna say.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I don't care.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't care. But this started a long time ago and we started to kind of realize that rich people. It started in the 70s, but I wrote in one of my books that would, you know, people, a son. There was an America where a father went on a walk with his son and saw a guy go buying a big Mercedes up to the hill, up the top of the hill, in the house. And the father said to the son, that's Mr. Jenkins. He's a successful businessman. He studied hard in college and he built a business for himself. And you know what, son? You study hard, you start a business, you work hard, one day you're gonna have a house on the hill and a Mercedes Benz. That's what we used to do. Now, the guy passed him the Mercedes up the hill, big house on top of the hill. And the dad says his son, go find a rock so we can throw it at Mr. Jenkins Mercedes next time he drives by.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

But why? Give me the why.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay, I'll Tell you why, Because I.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Grew up wanting to be Mr. Jenkins.

[Adam Carolla]

Me too. And I'll tell you exactly why. There are many more poor people than there are Mr. Jenkins.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

But that was the thing back then too, right?

[Adam Carolla]

But you have to take a look in the mirror and go, why is Mr. Jenkins successful? Like, okay, I work almost every weekend. I work almost every weekend. They go, well, you got money? Yeah, I work fucking Friday night, Saturday night. I work every, every weekend. There's 52 weekends out of the year. I work 37 weekends. All right, you don't work weekends, that's fine. You get your weekends, but you don't get the Mercedes, you know what I mean? And I saw my own family. There's a lot of shame that goes along with it. These people fucking know they made mistakes. They didn't work hard enough, but they fucking, they like drinking more than they like working out. They don't like getting up early. They like, they just fucking want to enjoy themselves, you know, whatever that thing is. It's shame based. But there's enough of them now where they can commiserate and no one wants to find a mirror and figure out why they're not Mr. Jenkins. Instead they get angry and then they start talking about, well, Mr. Jenkins dad, that guy's the guy started the business. He was born on third base and thought all the stories about silver spoon Nepo baby. I know tons of successful people, none of their parents were rich. Nobody was born on third fucking base. According to them, 92% of successful people were born on third base. They never want to hear the story about the guy working weekends and busting his hump and working three jobs and having the shitty job in college and so on and so forth and saving and being responsible and not having a family until you're married and finishing high school and finishing college. A disciplined life. They don't want to hear it. It's shaming to them. Politicians realize there's a lot more fucking lazy ass dumb fucks than there are Mr. Jenkins. And by the way, my mom's lazy vote would cancel out Mr. Jenkins. So when Gavin Newsom is making a speech, he's talking about the poor people, the proud people, the people that don't have a chance, that can't get a leg. The systemic racism. There's, you know, they're impoverished people, there's systemic this and that, income inequality. And then the dumb people are going, that guy's getting my fucking vote. Not the hard work and discipline guy over here. That's when it started. It's been going on for a long fucking time. And the reason I know it's been going on for so fucking long is I had a very unpopular saying I would do on Loveline. For me, it's easy. I've been speaking to a microphone for 30 years. So I just go back and go, drew, what was I saying in 1997, 1996? One of the things I used to say all the time is I go, I'm a millionaire. Literally a millionaire. And the reason I would say it into the microphone because it sounds asinine, is because I was constantly being told, Listen, this is Kroc. We got a bunch of 14 year olds from Orange county, skateboarders and stuff. They don't want to hear about you flying first class. They don't want to hear about you going out to a steakhouse. You got to pretend to be one of them. You'll get their vote, meaning they'll listen if you think they're them. I go, I'm not them. I'm funnier than they are. That's why I'm a millionaire. So I would go and I would make a joke about it and no one else would do it. I would just go, I'm a millionaire. Drew. Literally a millionaire.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

How did Drew feel about.

[Adam Carolla]

Did he as a 14 year old skateboard kid?

[Sammy Gravano]

I loved it.

[Adam Carolla]

I was like, yeah, I'm gonna be a millionaire. Drew was scared shitless all the time. So he didn't like that pussy who's been scared until like, like 10 minutes ago, he had an awakening. Yeah, he's like, fuck all this. But he was always scared. And I would always say it. And the reason I said it is because everyone was telling everyone there used to be shows. Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. We're going to Morgan Fairchild's home, her palatial estate. You know, I'm a carpenter, right? And I'm a home improvement guy. And I've said a million times, you know, you know, be a great show, be a great show. If I went out and I had my buddies, they're all, you know, successful comedians, have these cool barns and these cool places, cool homes and all this cool stuff. I would go tour their house with them. Every single one's like, listen, I'm not gonna. I don't want people to know what I got, you know, I don't want to. I don't want to be hated because they find out I got 9,000 square feet in Bel Air.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

But that just happened. I mean, before that they had cribs, a Show called Cribs.

[Adam Carolla]

Right, well, listen, black people are immune to this. Just black people don't get Arab and black people don't give a about this. They're like, it, I'm buying jewelry. You know what I mean?

[Sammy Gravano]

Yeah.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

They wear it in football games. I feel it's like someone's going to grab that.

[Adam Carolla]

Somebody's got to use an artery that. Yeah, but. But whitey is like. Well, see, thing about black people is no one goes, your dad owned the plantation. They don't do that. You know, they go, they know your dad was fucking poor, right, Whitey? They assume your dad had money, so they want to tamp it down. So no, we have to round down. We have to pretend like we're all fucking poor. And that's why it's going on. Like, even back in the day, you'd see like Letterman, and Letterman would be sitting there and have some wrapper on or something to go, I just bought a new Rolls Royce. And they go, let's talk about. And they go, how much were the Rolls Royce? $20,000. And Letterman be like, that's a little rich for my bloods. That's a lot of money. Hey, you make 32 million a year. Make 32 million a year. A lot more than the rapper guy makes David Letterman. You buying a Rolls Royce be like me buying a used Festiva.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Didn't he buy like a whole race team or something?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, he did, but it's always tamped. It's tamped down. All right. A little rich for your blood. Little rich red. All the late night show guys. So it's a little rich for my blood. They average 25 million a year. I think they can afford a luxury automobile, but it's always a little rich for their blood. And that's how. That's the whole. And we went that way and the politicians went that way. Why is everyone telling a bullshit story about their hardscrabble upbringing? You know what I mean? That is so we're middle class. Where I slept in my truck car I didn't have. It's like they'll always tell. But first off, they can't escape the reality. Like they'll go. They always do this bullshit story where they go, lower middle class. We didn't have money growing up. My dad was a blue collar guy. When I was hiking through Spain when I was 19 for the summer, I slept, I go, you went to Spain when you were 19? Well, yeah, but I didn't stay at the Four Seasons. You went to Spain? Yeah, yeah, that's Enough. My first semester at Duke, it's like, okay, you went to Duke, you're not poor. You're not fucking poor. Stop. I think it's a little bit more impressive when somebody who comes from wealth can make it to the next level on their own. Because, you know, the realization that you have money when you're like 14, 15, your family has it, you can kind of do whatever you want now. You know, once your brain forms, it's more impressive when somebody ascends from third base to home run. Listen, I'm more impressed. I agree with you. Like, you know, Donald Trump's dad did real estate, did commercial real estate. I don't know, he did apartments in the Bronx or something. And then he picked up that business and he moved it to Manhattan. He built skyscrapers. You know, a lot of other son became an alcoholic, could have been a pilot. You know what I mean? So I'm just saying, in a weird way, the son who's into wealth and then takes it next level. I don't have an outdoor sign business. And take it from two buildings to 50 buildings or whatever. That guy. Because that guy can coast. Whereas we were desperate.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

No, I think Miller's right. Because, yeah, every kid I knew when I lived here, I lived here for 31 years. All the trust fund kids had no ambition, no nothing. And now they're talking about the ones that were living in a Palisade. Right. I was like, you don't understand. All the Palisades people weren't rich. Yeah. Because they were given a house and they didn't do anything else.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

And that became a problem.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. I have the phenomenon of fighters. Some fighters who are from good families and now, like, trying to be elite athletes in mixed martial arts. And it happens, but more often than not, I got a kid with nothing who's just a beast of an athlete.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Hungry. All right. I'm gonna be in Zany's, Rosemont, Illinois. That'll be Wednesday. Doing stand up shows there. Well, guess who's working this weekend? Everybody. July 17, doing shows at Road America. July 19. I think that's Saturday. Oh, working Sunday too. In Milwaukee. Pabst Theater. Oh, working another weekend. Got so lucky with my dad being the head of show business. Yeah. Get on the road. Corolla. On the road Corolla. Vinnie Tortorich. Fitness Confidential. That's the podcast. PureVitaminClub.com is where you go for all the good stuff. Listen to Vinnie, he's always right. Sammy the Bull, he's got his podcast our thing. Mayhem. What are you. Yeah, I'm dropping a podcast soon. Follow me, aahemmiller and until next time, it's Adam for Sammy and Vinny and Mayhem saying mahalo. Pick up your phone, leave us a voicemail. The phone number is 888-634-1744 and remember, get tickets to see the Ace Man Sunday at the Pabst Theater in milwaukee@adam corolla.com this summer Pluto TV is exploding with thousands of free movies. Summer of cinema is here. Feel the explosive action all summer long with movies like Gladiator, Mission Impossible, Beverly Hills Cough, Good Burger and Transformers. Dark of the Moon. Bring the action with you and stream for free from all your favorite devices. Pluto tv Stream now pay never. This summer Pluto TV is exploding with thousands of free movies. Summer of cinema is here. Feel the explosive action all summer long with movies like Gladiator, Mission Impossible, Beverly Hills Cop, Good Burger and Transformers. Dark of the Moon. Bring the action with you and stream for free from all your favorite devices.

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