The Adam Carolla Show – Size DOESN’T Matter
Guests: Heather Locklear and Jillian Barberie
Date: September 24, 2025
Host: Adam Carolla
Producer/News: Rudy Pavich
Theme: Candid Reflections on Hollywood, Fame, Sex, and Aging
Episode Overview
This episode features an uncensored, humorous, and deeply personal conversation with television legends Heather Locklear ("TJ Hooker," "Dynasty," "Melrose Place") and Jillian Barberie (FOX NFL Sunday, Good Day LA). The two promote their forthcoming podcast "What Do You Want?" and, with Adam’s signature curiosity, share stories from Hollywood's golden days, their personal lives, views on sex and fame, struggles with aging, and their perspectives on cultural changes.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
Walking Down Hollywood Memory Lane
[02:37–09:43]
- Heather's Early Career:
- Began acting at 18, first on "CHiPs," then a progression through Aaron Spelling’s LA TV empire (“Fantasy Island,” “Love Boat," “Dynasty,” “TJ Hooker”).
- Quote: “Once I got with Aaron Spelling, then you have to do Fantasy Island, Love Boat, all of those shows.” – Heather [04:10]
- Discussion of fame as an unnatural accelerator of "age" and life experience.
- Began acting at 18, first on "CHiPs," then a progression through Aaron Spelling’s LA TV empire (“Fantasy Island,” “Love Boat," “Dynasty,” “TJ Hooker”).
- Jillian Reflects:
- Observes Heather "never had an awkward stage," sparking a playful debate about childhood awkwardness and attractiveness in showbiz.
- Heather's Reflections on Beauty/Fame:
- Candid on being "discovered" via a UCLA catalog and how looks set career trajectory.
- William Shatner Encounters:
- Heather shares stories of reconnecting with William Shatner: “He’s 94, he’s got it together. Sharp as a tack.” [09:07]
- Discussion of songs written about her by exes Nikki Sixx ("Without You") and Richie Sambora ("The Downside of Love")
Shifts in TV Culture & The Good (Old) Days
[10:56–17:28]
- Jillian’s Journey:
- Recounts transition from Canadian weather network to Miami, then LA's Good Day LA and FOX NFL Sunday.
- Power moves in TV hiring, rockstar talent leadership ("David Hill would walk up to every cameraman… he was just that guy"). [12:20]
- Recounts transition from Canadian weather network to Miami, then LA's Good Day LA and FOX NFL Sunday.
- Atmosphere Back Then vs Now:
- Candid talk about sexualized, fun, permissive workplace culture: “We’d be canceled today, right?” – Jillian [11:12]
- Adam laments lost culture: “Everybody wants to get back to it, but we won’t… everyone had a good time, the women were fine with it.” [16:08]
- Jillian: “I want to bring a radio show, like a Howard Stern show, to the morning news… I want to have fun on TV, too.” [16:22]
Sex, Relationships, and the Myth of “Size”
[25:05–41:43]
- Marrying the Rockstars:
- Heather married Tommy Lee and Richie Sambora (and dated Mark Harmon, Scott Baio, Tom Cruise).
- Reveals she asked both Tommy and Richie to marry her.
- Tommy Lee Anecdotes:
- Describes Tommy’s childish energy, jewelry, meeting the parents, and his “legendary” penis size—handled with much humor and candor.
- Adam: “A big dick is a commitment!” [39:19]
- Heather: "When you're 23 and 24, it's not that big of a commitment. At this age, I go, put it away." [39:54]
- Describes Tommy’s childish energy, jewelry, meeting the parents, and his “legendary” penis size—handled with much humor and candor.
- Discussion on Sexual Preferences and “Micro” Experiences:
- Both Heather and Jillian affirm that size doesn't dominate their experience, value humor and connection more.
- Heather: “If the heart’s in, I think, for me, then… that’s why I say three months.” [41:28]
- Adam: “We all fall somewhere in between Tommy Lee and micro penis.” [43:44]
- Both Heather and Jillian affirm that size doesn't dominate their experience, value humor and connection more.
- Aging, Libido, and Cancer’s Impact:
- Jillian discusses loss of libido following breast cancer/surgeries and body changes.
- Jillian: “I haven’t had sex in 10 years… I was sexual, then I got cancer, and it all went to hell.” [40:09, 47:24]
- Emphasizes body image and health as central to female desire and openness.
- Jillian discusses loss of libido following breast cancer/surgeries and body changes.
Navigating Modern Feminine Power, OnlyFans & Public Perception
[18:58–23:29]
- OnlyFans/Modern Sex Work:
- How social media/OnlyFans has changed sexual power dynamics; control v. exploitation; comparisons to Playboy offers.
- Jillian: “I said no to Playboy four times… In retrospect, I wish I would have done it now.” [19:09]
- Adam: “Being a beautiful young woman is a form of celebrity in our culture…That’s the power of young, beautiful women.” [18:53]
- How social media/OnlyFans has changed sexual power dynamics; control v. exploitation; comparisons to Playboy offers.
Aging, Sobriety, and New Chapters
[48:58–63:06]
- Sobriety and Coping:
- Heather is sober, prefers sleep and ‘bed culture’ over wild living.
- Heather: “Maybe with sleep.” (on what replaced drinking) [62:34]
- Jillian’s “California sober” (occasional drinks), discusses how kids’ milestones (going to college) trigger self-reflection and loneliness.
- Heather is sober, prefers sleep and ‘bed culture’ over wild living.
- Gratitude & Letting Go of Vanity:
- Both embrace acceptance, letting go of old standards and superficial concerns.
- Jillian: “Take my tits, save my life, make me bald. Don’t care. I have no vanity.” [56:17]
- Both embrace acceptance, letting go of old standards and superficial concerns.
Family, Upbringing, and Childhood
[64:20–68:49]
- Heather’s Family Stories:
- Memories of growing up in the Valley/Canoga Park, sleeping in bunk beds, sibling dynamics.
- Differing parental expectations, pleaser instincts (“I was a pleaser” – HL [68:06]), and early experiences of sexuality.
- Jillian on Adoption & Heritage:
- Shares Lithuanian/Irish heritage, adopted identity, and comparatively less “beauty pressure” growing up in Canada.
The Dating Question: "What Do You Want?"
[49:05–54:25]
- Heather’s Dating:
- Not currently in a relationship but has a “really nice friend” in Texas. Describes her three-month rule before sex, even now—takes time to “get to know” a partner.
- Heather: “He lives in Texas, so I don’t see him that often. So not benefits yet…” [49:40]
- Not currently in a relationship but has a “really nice friend” in Texas. Describes her three-month rule before sex, even now—takes time to “get to know” a partner.
- Jillian’s Dating Life:
- Store “closed and not reopening anytime soon” post-cancer, surgeries, and divorce. Humor and honesty about bodily changes and self-image.
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
Hollywood Candor & Humor
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Heather on Shatner:
“He’s 94, he’s got it together. Sharp as a tack.” [09:07] -
Heather on Tommy Lee:
"He’s like a nine year old. He’s like a big kid, and I like that about him… but not to be married." [25:45] -
Adam on Big Dicks:
“A big dick is like a kind of a commitment… like you wanna have sex tonight? Well, when you’re 23 and 24, it’s not that big of a commitment. At this age, I go, put it away.” [39:19, 39:54] -
Jillian on Cancer and Playboy Regret:
“In retrospect, I wish I would have done it now… I chop my tits off. I had cancer, which sucks… And they were lovely.” [19:12]
Pop Culture, Sex, and the Human Condition
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Adam on Beauty & Power:
“Being a beautiful young woman is a form of celebrity in our culture as much as we try to pretend it’s not… all of a sudden everyone turns to [the waitress]… she’s a bigger celebrity than anyone at this table.” [18:53] -
Jillian (joking) on setting the record straight:
“Maybe they want a freak show like me with no nipples. You never know what your proclivity is.” [41:06] -
Heather on "Three Month Rule":
“Even with Richie Sambora. It’s just I wanna get to know you, and I want you to know me. I'm not easy. But after three months, I'm super easy.” [38:55] -
Jillian on Aging:
“Our birthdays are one day apart… I’ll be 59. I’ll be 64… and we don’t give a fuck… We don’t talk about age.” [55:37]
Major Segment Timestamps
- 02:37 – Heather’s start in Hollywood & Aaron Spelling days
- 09:07 – Shatner stories (“Sharp as a tack at 94”)
- 11:08 – Jillian’s entry into Good Day LA & NFL Sunday
- 13:29 – FOX hiring story, working environment memories
- 16:08 – Adam/Jillian on lost workplace culture
- 18:58 – Discussion: Modern beauty, OnlyFans, and empowerment
- 25:05 – Heather’s marriages, Tommy Lee stories, dating Mark Harmon
- 34:08 – Three-month sex rule, first impressions of Tommy Lee
- 39:19 – “Size DOESN’T Matter” debate
- 48:58 – Sobriety, self-perception, letting go of vanity
- 54:02 – Revisiting high school sweethearts and nostalgia
- 64:20 – Family, sisters, and childhood memories
Episode Tone & Final Thoughts
- The episode is defined by Adam's classic comedic sharpness blended with vulnerable, raw storytelling from Heather and Jillian.
- Both guests are self-deprecating, honest about their flaws, and poignantly aware of how fame and culture shaped (and sometimes warped) their lives.
- The final mood is one of gratitude—but also relief to have moved beyond the pressures of looks, youth, and celebrity.
- The trio does not shy away from sensitive topics—cancer, addiction, sexual assault—using humor and honesty to destigmatize and normalize these aspects of aging and womanhood.
Closing Plug
New Podcast: "What Do You Want?" with Heather Locklear & Jillian Barberie
Available: Launches Friday after this episode
Fans of The Adam Carolla Show will love the unguarded, hilarious, and insightful banter from three TV legends confronting what it means to survive and thrive in—and after—Hollywood.