Stayton Bonner & Joe Ford on the Worldwide Hunt for A Stolen $7 Million Car

Summary

The Adam Carolla Show – Joe Ford & Staton Bonner: The Worldwide Hunt for a Stolen $7 Million Car

Episode Date: September 3, 2025
Main Guests: Joe Ford & Staton Bonner, authors of The Million Dollar Car Detective
Host: Adam Carolla, with Andrew and Alicia Krause

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Adam welcomes investigative author Staton Bonner and automotive detective Joe Ford to discuss their new book, The Million Dollar Car Detective, chronicling the worldwide investigation to recover a stolen 1938 Talbot-Lago—one of the rarest and most expensive cars in existence, valued at over $7 million. The episode also features wide-ranging banter on recent news, classic Adam tangents, and car culture, culminating in a deep-dive into vintage auto heists, Ferrari lore, and the peculiar world of high-value collectible cars.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Rants & News Story Commentary

[00:52–15:00] | Adam's Take on Modern Outrage & Over-sensitivity

• Adam opens by riffing on a viral news story about a woman discovering a swastika tile in her historic home’s basement and turning it into a news event.
• He humorously critiques the culture of "virtue signaling" and overblown reactions, suggesting practical solutions: "get a chipping hammer and just pop the tiles out... Or you can do a super easy way. Just get garage floor paint and just paint the whole fucking thing." (Adam Carolla, 08:39)
• Adam lampoons the media’s self-serious tone, drawing parallels with over-cautious content warnings in documentaries and comparing news announcers to Family Guy’s Trisha Takanawa for comedic effect.

[37:10–52:44] | News, Social Commentary, and Segue to Wealth

• Alicia Krause joins to discuss the creation of a "transgender neighborhood" in San Francisco and Adam’s skepticism about identity-based enclaves.
• The recurring theme: many politicians rail against wealth while covertly accumulating it. Adam highlights Ilhan Omar’s millionaire status—despite claiming otherwise—and critiques politicians' double-speak.
• “I have plenty of rich friends and it turns out rich people are better than poor people. Much better. ...There’s a reason they’re poor.” (Adam Carolla, 51:13)

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2. Interview: Joe Ford & Staton Bonner — The Ultimate Car Caper

[81:18–119:47] | The Hunt for the $7 Million 1938 Talbot-Lago

The Story

• In 2001, thieves broke into a Milwaukee industrialist’s private collection and stole a rare 1938 Talbot-Lago, disassembling and removing it piece by piece with an overhead crane.
• The car vanished for over a decade, until a disgruntled mechanic in France reached out, prompting detective Joe Ford and the original owner’s heir to embark on a global chase through the U.S. and Europe.
• The search revealed a web of betrayals, meticulously planned heists, Interpol and FBI involvement, and legal battles still unresolved today.

Key Points & Anecdotes

• Provenance & Value: Restorative work, meticulous documentation, and celebrity ownership (Luigi Chinetti, Tommy Lee, Jay Leno’s almost-purchase) dramatically affect value.
• Car Culture Evolution: “Ralph Lauren was one of the first guys to popularize the restoration of this. He grew up in the Bronx from nothing... and that led to this Pebble Beach best in show.” (Joe Ford, 87:31)
• Detective Work: Joe Ford recounts wearing a wire for the FBI to hunt down the car’s original engine, repossessed in France and worth $2 million by itself.
• Car as Art: Staton Bonner explains the uniqueness of custom-bodied teardrop cars and the techniques used for verification (“the FBI actually drilled the chassis... and then compared the shavings”).

Memorable Quotes

• "It's like White Lotus meets Fast & Furious meets James Bond." (Staton Bonner, 82:09)
• "We’re seeing more thefts... but there’s no FBI team dedicated to retrieving rare cars like there are for artwork. So they call Joe here." (Joe Ford, 83:55)
• “It was this amazing story of best friends turned worst enemies.” (Joe Ford, 94:13)

Insights on Rare Car Recovery

• Car Ownership & International Intrigue: Interpol, FBI, and civil courts all entwine in attempts to recover lost automotive history. Stolen cars are commonly hidden abroad, occasionally resurfacing after decades.
• Vetting Authenticity: Forensic metal analysis is performed to confirm chassis authenticity, matching molecular properties to known examples.

Adam's Industry Tales & Analogies

• Adam uses the lost James Dean Porsche and the infamous Goldfinger Aston Martin DB5 as parallel stories—highlighting the culture of car lore, the challenge of international law, and how legendary cars can vanish into private collections or criminal underworlds.
• "You’re kind of buying the car, but you’re buying the story of the car 100%." (Adam Carolla, 115:47)

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3. Classic Car Stories, Celebrity Anecdotes, and Cultural Reflections

• Adam reminisces about his own experiences at Pebble Beach, theorizing how easy it would have been to stage an Oceans 11–style car heist twenty years ago—a running joke culminating in his fantasy movie plot: "Grand Theft Submarine."
• Tales of unique collectibles (Elvis’s bullet-riddled Pantera, custom Ferraris for Luigi Chinetti) reinforce how myth and history drive up car values.

Notable Segment: [95:05–113:13]

• Dramatic stories abound—such as the woman who inherited Phil Spector’s Cobra Daytona, disappeared from public view, and tragically took her own life after finally selling the car.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Outrage and Practical Solutions:
  “I would etch [the tile] first. I did some TSP, some trisodium phosphate, and I would clean it real good... and then just roll it on with the foam roller.” (Adam Carolla, 11:08)

• On Collecting Cars:
  “It's one of the fastest rising asset classes, the meticulous restoration. I went to restoration shops, these guys are tattooed using hundred year old tools...” (Joe Ford, 87:31)

• On Car Heist Culture:
  “They start loading them onto the thing to take him to foreign markets... my guy could be me, could be Steven Seagal or something. This guy’s been drummed out of the service... Action ensues. It's very exciting. Yeah. Action movie, right?” (Adam Carolla, 100:55)

• On Authentication:
  “...the FBI actually drilled the chassis of this car to determine the shavings and then compare the shavings to other known unmolested teardrops and there was a match.” (Staton Bonner, 109:43)

• On the 'Story' Behind a Car’s Value:
  “There is the movie star quality that's building. But these cars, the teardrops especially, are now regarded as works of art.” (Staton Bonner, 118:31)

• Summing Up Car Culture Collecting:
  "You’re kind of buying the car, but you’re buying the story of the car 100%... the story you’re buying. You’re not just buying the car." (Adam Carolla, 117:56)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Opening story/rant on swastika tile outrage: [00:52–21:52]
• Alicia Krause enters, news & banter: [37:10–53:41]
• Political millionaires and hypocrisy: [49:02–54:15]
• Interview begins – Joe Ford & Staton Bonner: [81:18]
• Origin of Talbot-Lago, theft, and investigation details: [81:18–94:17]
• Famous lost cars, industry insights, car-as-art, fraud: [94:59–113:15]
• Depressingly epic inheritance story (Cobra Daytona): [110:12–113:13]
• Reflections on legacy and meaning in car collecting: [115:31–119:47]

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Tone & Style

The tone remains quintessentially Carolla: unfiltered, sharp, irreverent, and laced with humor. Adam’s rants lampoon righteous outrage and societal quirks, while the interview is conversational, peppered with inside-baseball car references and offbeat analogies. The interviewees match the vibe—offering intricate detail but in an engaging, layman-friendly manner.

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Conclusion

This episode blends Adam’s trademark comedic social observations with a riveting account of one of the world’s most valuable stolen cars. Listeners are treated to behind-the-scenes tales of rare automotive artifacts, the intrigue of high-profile thefts, and the unexpected eccentricities of the global car-collecting elite. The Million Dollar Car Detective promises a story as wild as the best fictional capers—except it really happened.

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Book Plug: The Million Dollar Car Detective: Inside the Worldwide Hunt for a Stolen $7 Million Car by Joe Ford & Staton Bonner is out now and delivers true crime with a gearhead twist for readers and car buffs alike.

Transcript

[Adam Carolla]

Well, in this episode, Alicia Krause comes in. We got the news. Joe Ford and Staton Bonner come in. They got a book out, really interesting book about multimillion dollar car that got stolen and the hunt for it. Lots of interesting caper story. We'll get into all that. We'll do that right after this.

[Andrew]

From Corolla One studios in Glendale, California, this is the Adam Carolla Show. Adam's guest, the authors of the Million Dollar Car Detective, Inside the worldwide hunt for a stolen $7 million car, Joe Ford and Staton Bonner. Plus the news with Alicia Krause. And now, still high from his weekend at Burning Man, Adam Carolla.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, get it on, Got to get it on. No judgment going on your mandate. You get it on. Thanks for tuning in. Thanks for sharing the show. I run into a lot of you people out doing live shows. You listen, you get your sons and daughters and your wives and husbands into it. So God bless. All right, we'll get into some news in a bit. I got stuff I want to talk about at the top. I saw a news story over the weekend. Somebody tweeted it to me about a woman who bought a home. And in the basement there was a swastika in tile, laid out in tile. Now, I bought a house from, I think it was like 1923, no, 1927 in the Hollywood Hills. And it did have a swastika type emblem in mosaic tile, small tile in the bathroom. It was a pattern. I mean, a pattern is sort of like a joke. You know, when you accuse someone of stealing a joke. I always bring this one up. It's an old joke. But it's like when someone said, you wanna build a wall between California and Mexico? Who do you think's gonna build that wall? Cause Mexicans do all the block wall work in California. Now, a thousand comedians all thought of the same joke. So you can't go, oh, somebody stole that joke. You gotta go, no, we're all human beings. And human beings sort of play by the same general set of rules. And if there was a kid named, let's just say there was a kid in any fifth grade class in the United States forever. Could go back 100 years, could go ahead 100 years, and his name was Bob Siaria then he would be named Bob Diarrhea by every human in his fifth grade and beyond. Everybody all at the same time. Because how would that work? Well, nobody stole anyone's idea. That's just humans being humans. So the swastika is kind of humans being humans. And that's why it existed before Hitler. But then he got it and made it his symbol, and now you're kind of screwed. Like, I don't know, Epstein Island. It would be hard to open, like, a water park there, for instance. What happened to the.

[Andrew]

I mean, what do you name it?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, that's the whole point. Discount for the kids, you know, I mean, the point is it's got a name. Now it's a hunk of land in an ocean, but it's got a name. All right, so the Swatzer has been taken over, but the story is great because a woman, and I mean, her name may be Karen, her first name may be Karen, and her middle name may be Karen, too, because she bought the house and then went into the basement and pulled a rug up and found this. And I'll just play the story, but I cannot tell you how much I hate this woman. And I'd even. It seems weird because lots of people who. Lots of people would side with this woman. I hate this woman. But it's really because she called it to the news agency's attention. But let's hear the story.

[Lyn Rae Wentworth]

It's mine now. I don't want it, but it's mine. I own it. Which is horrific.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, hold on. She's talking about Tyle. So, I mean, yes, you own it. And if I left a poster in the bedroom that said, hang in there, baby, and it was a cat hanging off a branch with one paw, you would own it. But you could also get rid of it if you didn't like it. Or if I carved the N word into the banister upstairs, you could sand it out like you do own it. She's doing ultra virtue signaling because she went downstairs to her basement and saw tile that was in the shape of swastika. Now, she called the news organization to come over and then film her explaining to all of us how much better she is than we are.

[News Reporter]

But go ahead searching. Lyn Rae Wentworth and her husband were thrilled to find what they thought was their dream home.

[Lyn Rae Wentworth]

We loved the historical nature of it and the fact that there's opportunity to update it and still keep that flair.

[News Reporter]

During the home inspections and walk through, they say everything seemed to be okay, and they ended up buying it in 2023. But months after moving in, Lynn Ray says she was in the basement with her nephew, working to clean up a few things left behind by the cellar. And it wasn't until they removed a large rug and table that they found a very large problem.

[Lyn Rae Wentworth]

I came down and I was like, there's something tiled into the floor here. And you take a step over here and you're like, oh, my gosh, this is a swastika.

[News Reporter]

Nearly six feet.

[Adam Carolla]

First off, they blurred out the swastika, which. Okay, I don't know where we're at. I watch an eight part documentary on the Dallas Cowboys and it warns me that there's historical smoking going on. Then I should be seated properly in case somebody lights a tiparillo during the course of this documentary. We are fucking nuts with the coddling of everybody all the time. Everyone knows what a swastika looks like. Every World War II movie has them in it. But anyway, they had to blur it out. So it's dark. It's like a terracotta tile with a dark terracotta tile or satillo tile. And the tiles are like eight by eight or six by six. And somebody did the swastika in there and when they pulled the carpet up, they found it. Now what you can do, if you like a. You can get a chipping hammer and just pop the tiles out. The tiles will pop out with a chipping hammer. You rent one from Home Depot for 60 bucks in a day. Put the flathead tip on it and just kind of chip them. Just pop them. If you don't like it, you could pop the ones that are the swastika and just replace them with other orange ones. And I've done a lot of swastika tile replacement in my day. And you don't have to get every tile out. You just pop a few and make a new pattern like they do with tattoos. Like, was it Pete Holmes? No. Who had the tattoos that he got all redone? Pete Davidson. That's right. Pete Davidson had a bunch. You get a tattoo with a Kardashian's name on your neck and then you swap it up and you turn it into a zebra or something. That's what you do with swastika tiles. But. Or you can pop them all. Or you can pop. I'll bet you I could get that thing out of swastika recognition with about seven tiles.

[Andrew]

Actually, you don't even need to buy tiles. You just move them and replace them.

[Adam Carolla]

Move them.

[Andrew]

Just move. Make it a square. Just create the design. Take out a red tile, swap it for a brown tile. Red tile, brown tile. You don't have to buy any tile. It's done.

[Adam Carolla]

I figure you need a couple. You might chip a few on the way out, but yeah, I get you. Or you can do a super easy way. Just get garage floor Paint and just paint the whole fucking thing. It's the easiest thing. By the way, that basement is a shitbox. It's not you and your husband with historical landmarks or anything. That thing's a shithole.

[Andrew]

But if you do any of those things, how are you a hero?

[Adam Carolla]

Right. So it's easily taken care of. But anyway, she calls the news crew and they come out, roll on it, and then they have to, pardon the pun, tile out and blur out the swastika. And by the way, this is why I would be the worst news reporter ever. Ever. Because I'd be standing around going, wait, what are we doing here? Yeah, Swazi. Yeah. Yeah. Get a gallon of paint and paint over it. What are we doing here? Yeah, but somebody left this. Yeah, I know. So just go ahead and do that. Hey, have you painted any room in this house? Yes, we painted the entry hall. Good. Remember that thing where you had that roller and that extender and that paintbrush? Yeah. Okay, go get it now. I'm gonna go do a real story somewhere else. Right.

[Andrew]

We do a local remodeling show on Saturday mornings. Here's their producer's number.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. All right. So it continues.

[Lyn Rae Wentworth]

Oh, my gosh.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, my gosh.

[Lyn Rae Wentworth]

This is a swastika.

[News Reporter]

Nearly six feet in diameter. A swastika and what appears to be a German war eagle were discovered permanently tiled into the floor.

[Lyn Rae Wentworth]

I was just shocked. Mortified.

[News Reporter]

The Wentworth's hired attorney, Daniel Stoner, who filed a lawsuit, hired an attorney. Symbols were a material defect in the home that the seller failed to disclose.

[Attorney Daniel Stoner]

We believe this is something that should have been disclosed to them from the start and they should have been given new attorney.

[Adam Carolla]

Of course you believe that they would.

[Attorney Daniel Stoner]

Want to be in their home.

[News Reporter]

Stoner says the seller apparently installed the symbols in the floor himself back in the 70s and argued the swastika symbol was a popular design on greeting cards, soft drinks, and sports uniforms back in the 1920s.

[Attorney Daniel Stoner]

The explanation that they gave basically is that the, you know, swastika is an ancient symbol that means many different things in many different cultures. And in most cultures, it's a positive thing.

[News Reporter]

In court paperwork, the seller's attorney.

[Adam Carolla]

Also, there's court paperwork. The bitch could have rolled up the carpet, seen it, and a lived with it. I don't think it makes you a Nazi sympathizer to have that in your basement, number one. Number two, popped out a few tiles and. Or just painted. Looks like shit. Anyway. The whole basement floor looks like shit. Get a couple gallons of tile paint or get garage floor paint. I would etch it first. I did some tsp, some trisodium phosphate, and I would clean it real good. Don't just paint it like that. Clean it, scrub it, tsp, prep it, dry it, and then just roll it on with the foam roller. All right, so we'll keep it going.

[News Reporter]

In court paperwork, the seller's attorney also argues the Wentworth's had full access to the home prior to buying and could have moved the table and rug at any time to discover what was underneath.

[Attorney Daniel Stoner]

They're claiming basically that this is just a cosmetic.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, hold on a second. I don't want to side with this bitch, but if there was a table and a rug, I don't think it's incumbent on the buyer to move the table, move the rug. If there was a porthole to hell and I kept it under a throw rug with a table on it, I don't think you'd have to move. I don't think when people come over to look at your house, they start moving furniture and rolling up rugs. Like that scene in American Sniper, you know what I mean? They keep pulling up those rugs so they find the cache of rifles back there. So, yeah, they could have moved the table and they could have moved the rug.

[Andrew]

Yeah. I think the only expectation is that it is uniform throughout. When you see it looks like this here, it looks like that here. So, yeah, I think he's wrong.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, good.

[Attorney Daniel Stoner]

Basically that this is just a cosmetic feature of the house. Well, that's constitute a defect. Now, therefore they didn't have to disclose that to them. That is their position.

[News Reporter]

But the Wentworth's disagree, saying they may not have purchased the home had they known.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, shut the fuck up.

[Lyn Rae Wentworth]

We live. This is where we have family.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, hold on. I love it. I love. I love the women. I love the woman. Where they go, you come into my home and there's always a breath, there's a pant, you know, you come. Now, look, they always do this thing. You bump into me at a Starbucks, I'll say, excuse me, you take my parking space at the Target, that's fine. But you come into my home in front of my child, and then this is where the preachy shit begins. Now also, bitch, you can go to pier one and buy throw rug two if you want, and just throw it over the swastika.

[Andrew]

Six by three, she needs two of them. She missed the War Eagle, by the way.

[Adam Carolla]

The War Eagle is on the hood of every Pontiac Trans Am built in the 70s, so that's bullshit. But all Right. All right, we're gonna back it up because I like when she talks about her home. Yeah, her fucking. Can you imagine her poor fucking henpecked pussy whipped husband? And we may have not. Could you imagine finding a home you really liked? And then your yenta wife was like, there's tiles in a certain shape. I'd be like, shut up, bitch. You're not paying for it. Or I'll tell you what, you can go down and paint it the day the fucking mortgage closes. How about that? I'll tell you what, See if you can refrain from inviting any of your Jewish friends over for a basement party until we get this taken care of. Oh, that's right. You don't have Jewish friends or. Or black friends, so shut the fuck up. But. All right, let's hear it.

[Attorney Daniel Stoner]

Constitute a defect and therefore they didn't have to disclose that to them. That is their position.

[News Reporter]

But the Wentworths disagree, saying they may not have purchased the home had they known.

[Lyn Rae Wentworth]

This is our home. This is where we live. This is where we have family. We weren't able to make an informed decision about a huge purchase in our lives. We were denied that opportunity so simply because.

[Adam Carolla]

Hold on a second. This is what all the dumb yans. By the way, I just went through this with COVID with all these dumb bitches arguing about nothing. Yes, purchasing a home is a big decision in most families lives. That is true. The tile in the basement doesn't affect that decision. So I get it. It's a big decision, but there's no repercussions to having tile in your basement. So that's the part where. Where the argument falls apart. Yes, buying a home's a big thing, but this has nothing to do with that. All right, but let's listen. Oh, God, I hate her so much.

[Lyn Rae Wentworth]

We were denied that opportunity simply because somebody couldn't take five seconds to say, hey, take a look at the basement floor. There's some symbols down there.

[News Reporter]

They say they believe the seller intentionally hid the symbols, knowing it could be a problem.

[Lyn Rae Wentworth]

I mean, why would they have kept the rug when they were cleaning out? Why would you set a table right smack dab over something?

[Adam Carolla]

All right, hold on. Why would you put a table on a rug? I don't know. We should ask everyone in America who has a rug with a table on it why they would do that.

[Andrew]

Well, the, the. The curious and really true thing is, here is, why would you put a. A table and a rug over a swastika to sell a house? Yeah, right.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. There's that, but I'm also willing to sign off on somebody putting a table in the middle of a large space and a rug in the middle of a large space. Cause it wouldn't make sense to take the table and shove it into the corner where you couldn't get any chairs around it.

[Andrew]

But anyway, well, I guess furniture was included. And I wonder if then the terms. It was, you know, as is, you take everything in the house.

[Adam Carolla]

She's doing some super sleuthing. They're on minute seven of this news report. Meanwhile, seven kids have been abducted in the area during this time. But. All right, here we go.

[Lyn Rae Wentworth]

Cable right smack dab over something. Unless you were hiding it.

[News Reporter]

Stiller says this case is the first of its kind in Pennsylvania and says the Wentworths want to see the law changed making it a crime to not disclose permanently installed hate symbols in a home.

[Lyn Rae Wentworth]

Do what you want in your house. Paint a purple with green polka dots. You know, that's. That's great, but don't pass your potential hate onto me. Unacceptable.

[Adam Carolla]

Unacceptable. Hold on a second. I think part of it is I hate high self esteem, and this is a supreme narcissist. This woman. Like on to me. They're not passing it on to you. The guy got drunk in 74. He probably saw the Guns of Navarone or something at the movie theater, came home buzzed and did a fucking tile job.

[Andrew]

Well, no, I believe this house was built in the 1920s, wasn't it?

[Adam Carolla]

He admitted to doing the tile job in 72 or something. Come on, Dawson, what do you think? You think I think that way? No, I. Yeah, yeah, he said he did it in the 70s. And he also said, see, this guy's a little wanky too, because he goes, I did it in the 70s. It was a popular symbol that was on soda cans and cracker boxes in the 20s. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if. Did anything happen between 1923 and 1973? Hmm, let's see. The Korean conflict. Nah, see the sinking of the Lusitania. Oh, yeah. World War II. And the uprise of Nazis and Adolf Hitler and 6 million Jews exterminated. So he kind of.

[Andrew]

Oh, shit, it was 20 years ago. No one's gonna rem.

[Adam Carolla]

He was kind of conflating a few things himself. Doesn't not make her a yenta complaining bitch, but she's very upset. So anyway, me.

[Lyn Rae Wentworth]

Unacceptable.

[Adam Carolla]

Unacceptable.

[News Reporter]

The Wentworths compare this situation to this when Beaver Borough police acted swiftly to remove and condemn swastika spray painted on a building earlier this year.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, hold on that's at a heavy, heavily traveled intersection. Like how much foot traffic and car traffic goes by your basement floor every day. Bitch, you're the only one. No one would ever know it was there or ever needed to know it was there.

[Andrew]

Good thing it's a swastika, not a crosswalk.

[Adam Carolla]

That's right. All right, sorry, continue.

[Lyn Rae Wentworth]

It's going to be removed as soon as possible.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Lyn Rae Wentworth]

Nobody was saying, hey, this is okay. This isn't a material defect effect. The response was as it should have been. Let's get this out of here. Let's remove it. This is an inappropriate symbol.

[News Reporter]

Stoner has now made an appeal and made arguments in front of the superior court and is waiting for.

[Adam Carolla]

I do love when people do that. Nobody ever said this is a good thing to have a swastika at a crowded intersection. Okay. They got rid of it because of the first off. The phone lines would have lit up because they'd get 2,000 phone calls for people passing it in their cars every day. But no one would have known about this in your basement. So it's a completely different thing.

[Andrew]

Narcissists don't understand nuance.

[Adam Carolla]

You know what I'd say to her? I'd go, listen, he won't say anything to you, but I happen to know that you're put upon long suffering husband as a chronic masturbator. Now if he goes and does that in the basement, which I'm sure he has, he calls it christening the house. He could do that in perpetuity without anyone ever calling the cops or notifying the authorities. But if he goes to the well traveled intersection and whips out his dong and does the same activity he does in your basement, then there's going to be a problem. That's about the same thing with the swastika. But anyway, go ahead.

[News Reporter]

In the next few months, I hope.

[Lyn Rae Wentworth]

The Pennsylvania judiciary sees the fact that this isn't just a real estate case about a potential material defect. This is also a case about how we accept or how we stand up to hate when it comes to standing up to hate.

[Adam Carolla]

Like.

[News Reporter]

Caveat emptor. Buyer beware. It's a phrase house hunters have to get familiar with and a risk they accept when it comes to buying a house in Pennsylvania.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, pause it there. Play my family Guy, Tricia Takahani's news reporter once, because I was listening to this bitch and then I was picturing the family Guy's news report. Listen to the voice. Let's see if we can get some A and b. Voice. Do your magic, Dawson. But let's listen to the Family Guy. We can figure it out. Now let's go to Asian reporter Trisha Takanawa so we can be shocked at how well her people age. Trisha.

[News Reporter]

Tom, I'm standing here with flawless skin next to the shedding, crumbling, dusty, ancient relics of white people my age.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, I'm going to try that because when I was hearing the news reporter, that's what I was hearing. Well, I'll give you a minute to put that together, Andrew. That's what we gotta do. We gotta have an A and a B when we do these things. All right? So that's what they're up to. She went and found the news to sit down for a seven minute piece so she could look like a hero because she's standing up against hate. I get confused. There's a Jake Tapper, Minneapolis shooter thing out there that Andrew can find and I wanted to play it because I'm telling you the problem. I have a problem. Maybe I have a learning disability or something. But all the pronouns and all the she and the he and the thems, there's a big problem. The problem is the way they do the story. Like I said, when they go, she went into the Denny's, she pulled out her penis and attempted to rape the eight year old they. And it's like she and they, it's one person and it's a dude. So it's super, super confusing. And what they need to do is when somebody transitions, you can't transition from a female to a female. You transition from a male to a female or from a female to a male. So when they go, she transitioned into becoming a female, I know they're doing the she thing because they're pussy whipped and they're broken and they're soft and they're scared. But say he transitioned, I'll play the clip and you guys listen to retard Jake Tapper. They try to be respectful, but it gets super confusing because a caterpillar can transition into being a butterfly, but a butterfly can't transition into being a butterfly. A butterfly is a butterfly. I'll play the clip. You'll hear what I'm saying.

[Attorney Daniel Stoner]

Another piece of the puzzle as to who the shooter was. Minneapolis Star Tribune says according to court records, because there's been some confusion about what the shooter's name was.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Attorney Daniel Stoner]

Robin Westman's mother applied to change her child's name in 2019. It was at one point Robert Paul Westman.

[Adam Carolla]

Correct.

[Attorney Daniel Stoner]

But since she identifies as A female and wants her name to reflect that identification was underage. It's now Robin and other people.

[Adam Carolla]

She identifies as a female. All females identify as females. They're females. Like all donkeys identify as donkeys. It's. He identifies as being a female. You fucking idiot. You're making it so fucking confusing. I know you have to be super, super respectful to the person that slaughtered the kids. I know your number one. Your number one job is not being disrespectful to the maniac who slaughtered the kids. I know that's your number one goal. But she. Let me hear it again. Again. I watch. I watch like a normal human being and going, wait a minute. She identifies as a she. You're butchering the human language. Rachel Dolezal was a white chick who identified as a black person, but Denzel Washington doesn't need to identify as a black person because he is a black person. Ah, Jesus Christ.

[Attorney Daniel Stoner]

Another piece of the puzzle as to who the shooter was. Minneapolis Star Tribune says, according to court records, because there's been some confusion about what the shooter's name was. Yes, Robin Westman's mother applied to change her child's name in 2019. It was at one point Robert Paul Westman.

[Adam Carolla]

Correct.

[Attorney Daniel Stoner]

But since she identifies as a female and wants her name to reflect that identification was underage, it's now Robin.

[Adam Carolla]

So she identifies as a female is a sentence that no one ever thought anyone would ever say into a fucking camera. But he, with his cock and balls, identifies as a female, which is fine. I mean, you can identify as a unicorn, I guess, if you want, but you're not a unicorn. But then a unicorn doesn't have to identify as a unicorn. So when you identify, she is dead at this point. She's the past tense. They no longer exist. All right, so he identifies as a female, and you can be respectful and call Robert, Robin or do whatever you want, but it's still a dude identifying as a chick. It's not a chick identifying as a chick, you fucking idiots. I can't keep track all this shit. But I do like the fact that the number one priority for the mayor of Minneapolis is to make sure that we didn't take this out on the trans community and that everyone called her or him by their proper first names. It's fucking nuts. The second somebody floated pronouns. We should have told them all to fuck off. We had so many. Everyone should have joined me in telling everyone to fuck off all the time over the last four years, but nobody would. You all just went along with this shit. All right, we have Dawson maybe in this mix up there.

[Andrew]

Give me two seconds.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, I got a clip to play anyway. I got a clip from my latest vlog where I went out to Home Depot. People seem to enjoy this. It's kind of like the Carson Daly swimming pool within a swimming pool so the water wouldn't leach into the groundwater system. Except for the whole place went up in flames and everything got liquefied and dumped into the bay. Anyway, this is sort of along with that, but as it pertains to treated lumber, I'll play this little snippet. You can go to AdamCo.com and check out all the vlogs if you like. I was doing some work at my place in Malibu. I went to the lumber store, Malibu Lumber. I needed like a 2x4 pressure treated. So the guy goes, you know, we can't cut that in the back. We're in the Malibu outdoors, the saw is outside. I go, okay, yeah, I don't need a cut. I got a truck. But why can't you cut it? He goes, well, it's pressure treated, it's got chemicals. California city of Malibu, epa two weeks later, whole place burns to the ground. The whole place, everything, everything. Every futon, every mattress, every range rover, every house with pressure treated lumber, all burnt, all in the ocean. But three weeks earlier. We cannot endanger the porpoises by someone using a radial arm saw and cutting a piece of pressure treated lumber in half. Which, by the way, in any other state there is no law. I was doing some. Yeah, always use pressure treated when you put it against concrete. Now you think about pressure treated like on the ground, like, all right, you're gonna build a shed, you're gonna put it down on a slab and you're gonna put the concrete put on top of the concrete. But I wasn't doing that. I was putting up a big garage shelf. But my garage has poured in place. Concrete walls.

[Andrew]

Where were the swastikas?

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, I've formed them out of the pieces of pressure treated lumber that I'd cut, as I just did temporarily on my garage floor. And then this blonde haired bitch came storming in. She was pissed off. She brought a news crew with her. Yeah, if you're going to put. So I had concrete walls and the concrete wall is still concrete. And you shouldn't put anything that is not pressure treated against concrete. So it's got chemicals in it and they're worried about the chemicals. All right, do we have that mix up? Let's see if we can Tell. This is the news announcer from that story with the tile and the news announcer from the Family Guy.

[News Reporter]

Tom, I'm standing here with flawless skin next to the shedding, crumbling, dusty, ancient relics of white people my age. After months of searching, Lyn Rae Wentworth and her husband were thrilled to find what they thought was their dream home.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, they thought were her dream, by the way. Definitely there. I love it when they do. They thought it was their dream home, but then they went downstairs and some 6 by 6 terracotta tile turned out to be positioned in something that made a different shape.

[Andrew]

Is that a symptom of chick Think that's a lot of chicks ruin everything.

[Adam Carolla]

This whole. I.

[Andrew]

Look, I will not step foot in that basement.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, okay, riddle me this. Everyone in this story, they highlight. Here's why I should be a lawyer. In this story, they highlight as an example, her side. Her lawyer highlights that. They painted a swastika on the side of the old Johnson farmhouse by the intersection over there. And it was so offensive that they immediately painted over it. Why did they immediately paint over it? So on and so forth. Okay, so that's their example that they're making. Okay, here's my example. They didn't tear down the fucking structure. They painted over it and it was gone. So you can paint over yours and it will be gone the same way they painted over theirs and it was gone. They didn't tear the siding down. You could argue. Well, it'll always be there. Yes, under three coats of Sears Easy Living. But it will be there.

[Andrew]

That would solve the problem.

[Adam Carolla]

That would solve the problem.

[Andrew]

That's not what they want. I'm just picturing TV time.

[Adam Carolla]

I was picturing this bitch during COVID Could you imagine you walking your dog with no mask on and her. Excuse me. No, sorry, Dawson. Not excuse me, excuse you. It's excuse you. Right, not me. All right, Alicia Kraska. Coming here. I want to hear that one more time. The announcer and the announcer. I think it gets really close. At the end of the Channel 7's announcer, we'll play it. Tom.

[News Reporter]

I'm standing here with flawless skin next to the shedding, crumbling, dusty, ancient relics of white people my age. After months of searching, Lynn Rae Wentworth and her husband were thrilled to find what they thought was their dream home.

[Andrew]

The cadence is almost identical.

[Adam Carolla]

All right.

[Andrew]

No one else would find this, by.

[Adam Carolla]

The way, but me. But you. I can't. My brain works in such a weird way. This was on my phone in 2 inches by 2 inches with no stereo sound. I didn't have earbuds or anything. I was just looking at it. Somebody tweeted me and within 15 seconds I was like, wait a minute, wait a minute. All right, quick break. Alicia Kraus going to come in here. We'll do news right after this. Homes.com Some might say homes.com is the best home shopping site. It may be homes.com's super comprehensive and transparent agent directory. Or Maybe it's that homes.com is the only site that always directly connects you with with the listing agent who knows the home the best. Perhaps it's because homes.com has the most in depth neighborhood content of any home shopping site that's extensively researched to highlight the personality of each neighborhood. Homes.com goes above and beyond to bring home shoppers the in depth info they need to find the the right home. Homes.com that is homes.com we've done your homework, Morgan and Morgan. Oh, let's get real for a minute. Everyone talks about summer being sunshine and backyard barbecues, but you know as well as I do summer is also prime time for accidents. Every slip by the pool. Maybe you got rear ended on the way to the beach. You're heading to the beach. Somebody just didn't see those brake lights. Well, that's why you need to know about Morgan and Morgan. You see these guys everywhere. You see their commercials everywhere. I've spoke to these guys. There's a reason why they're everywhere. They do a lot of business. They brought in more than 25 billion with a baby. That's billion with a B for clients just like you. I'm talking real stories. One guy, he got offered $500,000 for his injury from the insurance, ended up with $29 million thanks to Morgan and Morgan. That's why they're America's largest injury law firm, right, Dawson?

[Andrew]

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[Adam Carolla]

And now Alcoa presents Definitely not a Jew on the Adam Corolla show. Dateline Dinnerton, Florida. A 41 year old woman was arrested for domestic battery after attempting to hit her boyfriend with a watermelon. Definitely not a Jew. Alicia Krause in studio. She's got her op ed for the Washington Examiner Newsmakers. Every Week. What's the subject this week?

[Alicia Krause]

Oh, this week it's gonna be about the transgender neighborhood in San Francisco.

[Adam Carolla]

Are they gonna start one?

[Alicia Krause]

They have. They've announced it. There's a whole video from a councilman and everything.

[Adam Carolla]

Let me tell you something. It's like when you do your Wakanda thing, where you go, we're gonna start an all black place or an all everything place. Doesn't work unless it's Asian, that'll work. Japanese, that works. Everything else turns into a shit show.

[Alicia Krause]

My favorite thing about the Wakanda stuff is when Black Panther came out, which I do love. It's a great movie in the Marvel universe, in my opinion. But the Google searches for vacations in Wakanda.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really?

[Alicia Krause]

It was amazing.

[Adam Carolla]

Although we'll be a theme on a Carnival cruise soon.

[Alicia Krause]

Really?

[Adam Carolla]

I think.

[Alicia Krause]

You think?

[Adam Carolla]

I think that's where they're heading. Wow. The Wakanda cruise. Wow. Yeah. So, yeah, the transgender neighborhood.

[Alicia Krause]

What does it mean?

[Adam Carolla]

Does it exist?

[Alicia Krause]

It does exist. Like, there's like a whole social media post about it. I gotta do a little bit of deep dive before I write about it today.

[Adam Carolla]

I can't believe.

[Alicia Krause]

But I saw the Instagram post. Kudos to my husband. He sends me all these silly reels all the time. I think half of our relationship is Instagram DMs, like, reels that we send back and forth. And he was like, is this for real? And I looked it up, and definitely is for real.

[Adam Carolla]

There is. Huh? H. I don't think it's going to work, but. Okay.

[Alicia Krause]

I don't even know what it means.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know what it means.

[Alicia Krause]

Like, what does a transgender neighborhood mean? Like, are only transgender people allowed there? If I go there, do I instantly become a man? If you go, do you become a woman? Like, what does it mean?

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know. It's mostly a mental disorder, this whole transgender. And we prop it up and it's insane, and we're kids up. But other than that.

[Andrew]

You know there's a village for dwarves in Long beach, right?

[Adam Carolla]

You're going to say, is it.

[Andrew]

Is it like New Zealand?

[Alicia Krause]

Like Hobbit Land, really?

[Andrew]

Yeah, there is. There is a.

[Adam Carolla]

A village.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Like their own town for dwarves.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, for.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Alicia Krause]

But are you not allowed there because you're not a.

[Andrew]

No, I think you're allowed there, but I think people go there for the spectacle of it.

[Adam Carolla]

I went down the Long beach, and I didn't even know I was in the dwarfs Village. And I just went to go enjoy the beach, you know. And I fell asleep and I woke up and I was tied down and I was like, what the fuck is going on around here? Well, as it turns out, I was at the dwarf village in the Lilliputians. That's it. They okay.

[Alicia Krause]

I remember being terrified of that book when I was a kid.

[Adam Carolla]

The Gulliver's Travels. Yeah, all things when you were a kid were big and terrifying and weird and scared. Now kids are looking at weird German porn and stuff on their phone and.

[Alicia Krause]

It'S all by like 11, do you know that? On average 11.

[Adam Carolla]

So see if you can confirm this. Long Beach.

[Alicia Krause]

It's right here.

[Adam Carolla]

Ah. Midget town in Long beach refers to the urban urban legend. Urban. Oh, so urban legend surrounding. Oh, surrounding the urban legend surrounding the La Linda Drive neighborhood which is rumored to have built a little. Sorry. Built for little people. After the movie wizard of Oz where there is no truth to legend for.

[Andrew]

The Munchen, I'm Gullible's Travels.

[Adam Carolla]

It is suspiciously home to the largest per capita venues for miniature golf.

[Alicia Krause]

Really?

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Andrew]

Or as they call it, golf.

[Adam Carolla]

They just call it golf. That's 18 championship holes.

[Alicia Krause]

Do you like mini golf or golf?

[Adam Carolla]

Miniature golf is fun with kids and it's also like good first date y stuff.

[Alicia Krause]

Oh, it's a great first date option.

[Adam Carolla]

Because it's static where you're sitting in a movie theater, sort of, you know, sort of moving around. You can have fun a little bit.

[Alicia Krause]

You can chit chat. You can see. Do I want this woman to have my children? Like, is she ambidextrous?

[Adam Carolla]

Check her form, you know what I mean? Then at some point she can help her. At some point she beats you and you get super angry and storm out of the date.

[Alicia Krause]

It's a good opportunity for the man and the woman to figure out like personality, competitive nature.

[Adam Carolla]

I never thought about this, but the miniature golf always has the batting cage attached to it. Out here.

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah. Like at Castle Park.

[Adam Carolla]

I think that's there for when the dude gets beat in miniature golf. He can be like, hey, let's hit the cages on the way out. Okay, hun? And she's like, I've never played bat. That's right. And I played JC ball.

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Some of them also have years of pierce, so give me that fucking bat.

[Andrew]

Some of them also have the slick track or go karts. It's like, all right, we need this one. Let's see how you do it.

[Adam Carolla]

Because any woman can beat any guy in miniature golf on any game given Saturday. That's a. That's a given. But we're gonna beat him in the batting cage.

[Alicia Krause]

That's actually a good psychological idea for a first date too. Because then as a dude, you're like trying to make the woman feel confident in herself and like. Right. Oh, by letting her win, by not letting her win. But if you're saying that the average woman could probably beat dudes in mini golf, I I then it's like I.

[Adam Carolla]

Think there is no real emotion.

[Alicia Krause]

Like I'm gonna make her feel good about herself. And if she feels better about herself, then she might feel better about me. There's a psych.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, men win in golf because they drive the ball 65 yards further, you know, but this is not that. Also, I think women when it comes to miniature golf may win at a even percentage or even higher. Because whereas the guy, he's like, I'm going to go for that center flume that's only five inches wide. And I think I can catch it where the women go conservative. I'm just going to hit it to the side one, it's going to go down and the guy goes for it and he does it three times and it comes back to him because he's going for it. You know what I mean?

[Alicia Krause]

My 12 year old can beat my dad and my brother in law at golf because she's better at chipping and putting.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh really? Regular golf?

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Alicia Krause]

Like out on 18 holes at the bell or something.

[Adam Carolla]

My idea of a first date is go out and play miniature golf. She wins at miniature golf. We go by the cage, I smack a few around in there, let her know who the alpha is in the relationship and then it's back to the car.

[Andrew]

Okay, Windmill for a little action.

[Adam Carolla]

Windmill for a little action.

[Alicia Krause]

I worked at a, at a mini golf like go kart place in high school. It was called Gopher but G O P H E R A golf and Gopher a spin.

[Adam Carolla]

That's kind of cute.

[Alicia Krause]

I was clever.

[Adam Carolla]

What'd you do there?

[Alicia Krause]

I like kind of managed it because the old, the owner was this old lady that was like, you take over.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm gonna go find a high school job.

[Alicia Krause]

It was awesome.

[Adam Carolla]

Homeschool job.

[Alicia Krause]

It was awesome. Yeah. And I think that she liked me because I could work all hours. Cause I was homeschooled.

[Adam Carolla]

I was thinking about the other day, I was thrown off a go kart track. I was also thrown off a little too wild. Yeah. I got thrown off a driving range. A golf driving range as well.

[Alicia Krause]

Why?

[Adam Carolla]

The guy just said, if you shank another one into the tennis court. You gotta leave. And he stood there and he watched me shank the next one in the tennis court. And I didn't even talk to him. I just shanked it. He watched it, I watched it, and I just walked. I just started leaving.

[Alicia Krause]

Was it a walk of shame?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, because people in the tennis court. I rented the club. That's how good a player I was. I just gave my club back and left. And I also realized Jimmy Kimmel has had air freshener sprayed at him in his face for farting up a bus and for farting up an airplane.

[Alicia Krause]

Okay.

[Adam Carolla]

But he's never done a train. And my thing is like, Jimmy, if you could fart up an Amtrak to the point where the. Stewart got hold of the can and sprayed it at him. He got sprayed with air freshener.

[Alicia Krause]

I know you're gonna circle back, but I don't know how this applies to. To getting kicked out of. Oh, you're talking about getting kicked out of places.

[Adam Carolla]

It's sort of like having your hands registered with the state of Nevada or something. You know what I mean? Like the feather in your cap.

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

If he could get someone to spray him down on a train with air freshener, he would do a train, a bus, and a plane.

[Andrew]

That's the egot.

[Adam Carolla]

That's the egot. That's the hat trick. And I would argue, I don't think you're ever going to meet another person that actually had the EGOT in the air freshener. Farting up the space. Most Americans barely have one.

[Andrew]

That's either the back sleeve or the introduction to the bio. But he has better chances of getting booted off a train if he goes business class. Surfliner.

[Alicia Krause]

Oh, for sure.

[Adam Carolla]

Business.

[Alicia Krause]

Gotta go bougie.

[Adam Carolla]

Firstliner. Farted up. And again the person will go get the spray and spray it at you.

[Alicia Krause]

That's like pepper spray quality.

[Adam Carolla]

That's like you're essentially a cockroach at this point. And that's Ray. Like, he's. That's the same theory. He. There's a punitive part of it. They don't go over the shoulder into the atmosphere. They go at the problem.

[Andrew]

He's got to finish that. That's an empty feeling.

[Adam Carolla]

I've told him. He's like, I'm hosting a late night show. I'm like, blah, blah, blah.

[Alicia Krause]

He could go incognito and then just go pro it for, like, you. And then nobody else would know.

[Adam Carolla]

I take his word for it. I was there for the.

[Andrew]

For the.

[Alicia Krause]

You're A good friend. You wouldn't leak it to TMZ or anything?

[Adam Carolla]

Nah, I was there for the plane. I was there for the bus.

[Alicia Krause]

Oh, so he needs to take you.

[Adam Carolla]

Kinda.

[Alicia Krause]

Maybe you're his good luck char.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I'm an observer. You know, when you try to set a record, you have the guy from Guinness Book of World Records. You fly them out, they observe. So you need somebody on that train.

[Alicia Krause]

Would you tell the Guinness Book of World Records after he.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know how many categories they have, but I would say it's one thing to fart up a plane and to fart up a bus, and many have done this, but how many of us have actually got a can of Airwick wizard sprayed in our face?

[Alicia Krause]

Like they knew it was him.

[Adam Carolla]

He was maced with air freshener.

[Alicia Krause]

Oh, my gosh. It's so embarrassing. I would be mortified.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, we were impressed, but okay.

[Alicia Krause]

Difference between men and women, right there, that's the homeschooling.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, all right. What do we got?

[Alicia Krause]

Well, Ilhan Omar.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah. She's a delight.

[Alicia Krause]

One of my least favorite.

[Adam Carolla]

Can we at least just admit these bitches hate this country? Listen, I grew up with this. I grew up with my mom. My mom would be like, first off, no one actually says, I hate this country. They just go, this is a great country. It's the greatest country on earth. But you have to realize the horrors of slavery and the Bataan Death March and the Trail of Tears, and it's like, do you love this country, bitch?

[Alicia Krause]

Well, see, Ilhan Omar won't even say that.

[Adam Carolla]

She won't even say.

[Alicia Krause]

She won't even say this. Well, once in a while.

[Adam Carolla]

Once in a while, they do. They go, this is a great country, and that's why we have to do this. And we're not doing any of it.

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah. So Ilhan Omar would say, this is a great country. That's why we can't fund the Jews or something.

[Adam Carolla]

She's horrible. She's the worst. Especially since we saved her from her piece of shit country. But all right.

[Alicia Krause]

Forget about that. And now we've made her a millionaire.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really?

[Alicia Krause]

Apparently, she's. She's always denied and said that she is not a millionaire, quote saying, I am not a millionaire, but the Washington Free Beacon and some other outlets. But the Free Beacon was the first to. It found a 2025 disclosure and she and her husband. So Tim has a couple of different businesses.

[Adam Carolla]

She and her husband or she and her brother.

[Alicia Krause]

This is her husband.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, but she married. Okay.

[Alicia Krause]

So they've had a really good year.

[Adam Carolla]

Sing songy, too. Oh, she sounds like that reporter as well. She goes up. Yeah, sorry, go ahead.

[Alicia Krause]

So she made. As a Congresswoman, she makes $175,000 a year.

[Adam Carolla]

All right.

[Alicia Krause]

By the way, the Roberts rules of order says that whether you're a man or a woman, you're supposed to be called like congressmen. There's no so, but I don't know this day and age. I'm just gonna say congresswoman. She makes 175 grand a year, but her husband's net worth is now ranging, or their joint net worth is now ranging from 6 million to upwards of $30 million. It's because of a couple of companies that he owns. One is a VC firm and another one is a winery right here in California.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, what I've learned from Bernie Sanders is, if you notice, once everyone did the math on Bernie Sanders, like, hey, you got three homes and you are a millionaire and all you do is rail against. He swapped out. They all swapped out millionaire for billionaire in like the last nine months. So they are millionaires. So again, you can't complain about millionaires if you're a millionaire. So you just swap it out to billionaires.

[Alicia Krause]

He also stopped talking about private planes because he and AOC, when they were doing their whole socialism marches around the.

[Adam Carolla]

Country, Stop the oligarchy.

[Alicia Krause]

They're going to stop the oligarchy. But they flew private.

[Adam Carolla]

Can I tell you something? If I was in the room when you're pitching me, like, what's the name of this tour going to be? Stop the Oligarchy. I was going to be like, you know what? If I was in the room when UPS pitched what can Brown do for you? I would have done the exact same thing I'm about to do now. Bad idea. Don't fucking do it. No one knows what oligarchy is. No one can spell oligarchy, old man. You can't say oligarchy. And that's not it. If you want to go the fairs Fair tour or Rich pay their fair share tour or something, or the middle class tour or something. But stop the oligarchy is not a good thing to put on a side to explain it.

[Alicia Krause]

They all went to public school, so they don't understand it.

[Adam Carolla]

Right?

[Alicia Krause]

It's a lot.

[Adam Carolla]

Right? All right, so she's rich and she's rich.

[Alicia Krause]

Saying she's not rich.

[Adam Carolla]

Can it go any other way?

[Alicia Krause]

I mean, like, every congressperson I'm aware of is, like, pretty well off. Yeah, like 175 grand. In a lot of the country is good money.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. But it's not enough to have. How does your net worth get to be $96 million off of 180 grand I'm talking about? Well, there's like Nancy Pelosi and all these people.

[Alicia Krause]

Well, that's the insider trading.

[Adam Carolla]

Right? Right. Okay. I just look it. Here's what I'm saying. I have plenty of rich friends and it turns out rich people are better than poor people. Much better. I grew up with poor people. They're fucking horrible. They're horrible. There's a reason they're poor.

[Alicia Krause]

I like my favorite kind of rich person though, is the kind of rich person that started poor and then built it themselves. Yeah. Not that daddy gave it to me.

[Adam Carolla]

All the rich people I know. Or that way. Okay. And I'm glad they're rich. I'm rich. It's good. It's a good thing. And I don't begrudge anyone being rich. What I hate is when people do the poor talk who are rich. That's the problem. The problem with the Nancy Pelosi's of the world is you never stop talking about the little man. And then you go out to the hair salon and get your hair colored during COVID and you have a walk in refrigerator with your fucking husband who drives a Porsche and is worth $300 million. That's the part I don't like.

[Alicia Krause]

And live on billionaire's row in San Francisco.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. If you want to just be rich and fucking. And by the way, tip of the cap to anyone who ever goes, hey, bitch, I work hard. Like I work. Dawson, What'd we do last weekend? What did Adam Carolla do last weekend? He worked. What's Adam Carolla do this next weekend? Worked. What's Amcorl do the weekend after that? Worked. What's he do the weekend after that? Worked. Okay, I work weekends. I'm rich. But if you just go, hey, I fucking have three jobs and I work. I work most Saturdays out of the year, then good for you. Yeah, just don't give me a fucking speech about loving all the poor people and everything and being rich. Just go fucking get rich, it's fine. And say I work hard. Ilhana.

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah, yeah. It's like her. Is her being a millionaire the problem? No, she has to pretend her lying about not being a millionaire is the problem.

[Adam Carolla]

This is the best. I don't know if you can find it anywhere, Dawson. The best one. I don't know if you can find this or Andrew, but there's A clip we used to have, I used to play it all the time or once in a while. I would play is Michael Moore on Howard Stern. Remember I would play that clip. Howard Stern, who's also rich, likes to obsess about what other people are getting paid. I mean, he's like, how much you get paid? How much you can pay for that? And Stern will never talk about how much he gets paid. But he gets paid more than all of them.

[Andrew]

But all right, we played this on the radio show.

[Adam Carolla]

We played on the radio. So Michael Moore, his net worth at the time was 50 million bucks. Right?

[Alicia Krause]

Making a shitty documentary, lots of them.

[Adam Carolla]

But Michael Moore, See, everyone understand this. Michael Moore is the aw shucks, blue collar guy from Flint, Michigan who's always fighting for the people.

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. So he can't walk around with a $50 million worth of net worth because he's the poor guy who's fighting for people. Michael Moore dresses like an out of work lesbian trucker for a reason. Cuz he has a poor person costume.

[Alicia Krause]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

He takes a crumpled up hat and he puts it on. He wears a stinky T shirt.

[Alicia Krause]

It has like, even the gross, like sweat stains. Whenever he's on MSNBC and he's wearing the gross hat that needs to get.

[Adam Carolla]

Washed, he goes on Bill Maher wearing a T shirt and a fucked up trucker's hat because it's a costume, a poor person's costume. And every day's Halloween to that guy because he's living, he's cosplaying right now. Poor people. If a poor person was going to be a guest on Bill Maher's show, they would get a suit to wear for Bill Maher's show. But not Michael Moore, who's a rich person who dresses like an out of work lesbian trucker.

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So he was on Stern once a million years ago and Stern was going, how much do you have?

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And Michael Moore can't go, I got millions. Cause he's playing a role because he wants you to believe that he is this person.

[Alicia Krause]

He wanted at that time, he probably wanted them to believe he's better than like the Chinese and the bushes and like all the warmongers and military industrial complex.

[Adam Carolla]

Rich people are bad. Poor people are good. And he's a poor person. He's good and he fights for poor people. Think Ellen dancing at the beginning of her show. Or Rosie o' Donnell or Cutie Patootie Chub Club. Or Bill Cosby dancing at the beginning of his show. Well, they're trying to get you to think of them as a certain way. O'Reilly Auto Parts. Yeah, they're in the business of keeping your car on the road. Everyone. O'Reilly Auto Parts offers friendly, helpful service and the parts knowledge and experience that you need to maintain and repair your vehicle. Always go to O'Reilly. They're all over the place out here. I don't know if there's one on every corner where you're from, but out here, I got my pick of the litter. Always use it to prep the race car. So whether you're a car aficionado or an auto novice, you'll find the employees at O'Reilly Auto Parts are knowledgeable, helpful, and best of all, they are friendly. So it's easy. You can just stop by on O'Reilly Auto Parts today or visit us online at O'ReillyAuto.com Adam that's O'ReillyAuto.com Adam this.

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So Stern keeps saying to him, well, what's your net worth? He's like, oh, I don't know. And he goes, well, Stern goes, you're a millionaire, right? And he goes, no, no, no. He goes, well, how can you not be a millionaire? And he goes, I don't know. He goes, well, look, you made Bowling for Columbine or whatever. Whatever it was, the movie cost 2 million to make and it grossed $86 million. So how are you not.

[Alicia Krause]

Who made that money?

[Adam Carolla]

How are you not rich? He made five of those.

[Alicia Krause]

Did you redistribute it to the rest of the crew?

[Adam Carolla]

And he's like, well, I don't know. I don't think I could be. By the way, you make films. You know what the gross is and what they cost and the budget and everything else. Yeah. I mean, and he's had docs that were like probably under 2 million to make that made $50 million. So there's gonna be some cheese heading his way. And he did the. Because he's a liar. And then he goes, but. So Stern does. What Stern does is funny. He goes, but you are a millionaire, right? Well, I don't wanna. Cause that's a horrible title to Call fake. Poor guy, right? Who's playing a role. So he goes. And then Stern goes, oh, wait a sec, you have a million dollars. And he goes. Literally, he goes, maybe with the house.

[Alicia Krause]

Stop.

[Adam Carolla]

I swear to God. Cuz he's lying. Just like all these fucking people lie because they're scared you're gonna find out who they really are.

[Alicia Krause]

Everybody in LA is a millionaire. Cause every house is in LA is a million dollars.

[Andrew]

Andrew is currently looking for that. In the meantime, I added Ilhan Omar to the Family Guy News lady.

[Adam Carolla]

Let's see, let's see. Tom.

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[Lyn Rae Wentworth]

But this is not the moment to point fingers at people. It is time for us to come together and figure out what the actual solutions are so that there are no more dead angels in our communities.

[Adam Carolla]

Pretty good. Pretty close. Anyway, I think I may hate her the most. And I hate her the most because we saved her life. And she comes here, she hates this.

[Alicia Krause]

Place and talks about how awful we all are.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. And Minneapolis, good fucking luck over there with the Somalis. Have fun. Make sure you kowtow and placate. Make sure you get a lot of them. And you dance, and you dance. You dance.

[Alicia Krause]

What was that? Ann Arbor. Is that one of the places, like over the weekend, Labor Day weekend. Decided to have, like a pro terrorist rally?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, they're doing a lot of that. Listen, it's a huge mistake. Anyone who does, gonna be fucked. Europe's fucked already. Good luck to you.

[Alicia Krause]

Should we stay on politics for a moment?

[Adam Carolla]

All right.

[Alicia Krause]

Talk about other people we don't like in politics, like old guys do. We have this video of Jerry Nadler. So Jerry Nadler, he's been in office since 1977.

[Adam Carolla]

Jesus Christ.

[Alicia Krause]

Eleven years before I was born.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow.

[Alicia Krause]

Like, that's crazy.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I like. There's a great clip. That's that Jerry Nadler clip where they ask him about antifa and it's like that doesn't really exist. Was that antifa?

[Alicia Krause]

I can't remember which. No, I think it was. It was like the during. Look at this.

[Adam Carolla]

He's. He's not.

[Alicia Krause]

You can't even see him.

[Adam Carolla]

He's shorter than the podium. He used to be. Wider than he was tall.

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah. He's lost some weight. Maybe he went on Ozempic.

[Adam Carolla]

I think so. He's full of retarded ideas, this guy. Yes, people are wearing masks and are and are totally unidentified. And the question is why? Why? The question is why? It's completely improper. And again, one has to assume they're hiding something or they're hiding misbehavior because otherwise why would they be wearing masks denying their identity? You can't see them standing behind.

[Alicia Krause]

Somebody needs to get him an apple box.

[Adam Carolla]

He wants to know why. I. Yeah, okay, so here's the thing. Nadler and or any other Democratic politician, you keep asking the question, why? Why are they wearing masks? Would you like an answer? They don't want to be recognized because they don't put their family in danger because they're being doxxed. Okay, there's your answer. Did you ask anybody? Why don't you ask them why they're doing it? If you'd like an answer, ask them.

[Alicia Krause]

Because then they'll tell you what I.

[Adam Carolla]

Just said and then you'll have your answer.

[Alicia Krause]

Did you have people like Nadler and Ilhan Omar out there being like, this is John Doe and He lives at 111 Main street and his children go to school here? It happens all the time.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes, that's why they're wearing masks.

[Andrew]

People like him who are not forthcoming with yes, that's obvious the answer. They're relying on an uninformed electorate.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Alicia Krause]

They think, oh, they're doing bad things because they are masked.

[Adam Carolla]

He doesn't. Yeah, he.

[Alicia Krause]

But during COVID if you're masked, or even now if you're Ralph's in your mask, you're a Shiro. Okay, well, we can say adios because he's gonna retire.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh good.

[Alicia Krause]

And I hope that he, like, unlike Joe Biden, actually goes and has a good retirement. Like, that'd be nice. He's 78 years old.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, he can eat a lot of ice cream.

[Andrew]

Maybe they'll hit him with an indictment on his way out.

[Adam Carolla]

Ice cream, Joe Biden. Ice cream is smart for Joe Biden because in the world of politics, you can't really just go, I'm a huge Steelers fan. Because then you'll alienate all the Baltimore Ravens fans out there. And you can't really do it with lots of stuff, cuz then every time you go, this is my favorite, you know, if you go, listen, I love the whole Rolling Stones can suck a dick, then you'll piss off a lot of people. But when you go, I love ice cream, everyone just goes, that's my guy.

[Andrew]

The other thing is ice cream.

[Adam Carolla]

Everyone loves ice cream, but what flavor?

[Andrew]

It serves as kind of a Smokescreen in interviews. Because seriously, how do you actually interview somebody who is eating an ice cream cone?

[Adam Carolla]

You can't.

[Andrew]

You can't because there's an urgency to the ice cream cone they're licking. They got it in their mouth. They can't.

[Adam Carolla]

They can't.

[Alicia Krause]

It's like, by the way, female candidates just don't ever, don't ever be caught on camera with an ice cream that.

[Andrew]

He just likes it because isn't his favorite flavor vanilla?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. No, he can. He can also claim brain freeze if he ever has a question. Answer on the ice cream. All right, so Nadler.

[Alicia Krause]

Nadler's retiring.

[Adam Carolla]

Fine.

[Alicia Krause]

And apparently it's because he's not progressive enough. Like, the Democrats are going to be running a 26 year old like, young gun against him.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Alicia Krause]

And so he was like, peace, I'm out in 2026.

[Adam Carolla]

Good luck.

[Alicia Krause]

Good luck.

[Adam Carolla]

Good luck with all that.

[Alicia Krause]

So I can't pronounce any names in this upcoming story. I apologize in advance.

[Adam Carolla]

Huh.

[Alicia Krause]

But did you see this insane video that went viral over the weekend at the US Open?

[Adam Carolla]

I don't. Oh, the tennis.

[Alicia Krause]

Yep. We have the video here for your live reaction.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm gonna. This popped in my head. We'll look at the vid, but unless Andrew, look for this. It popped in my head and I'm looking at Dawson, too. Remember I kept saying that minivan that slammed into that semi truck, like they didn't put the brakes on. Like, what was going on with that minivan? Like, who's driving that minivan? And it was a Florida and it was a minivan. So we just assumed like three white guy Floridians and someone was texting and the three people were from Hades.

[Andrew]

It was definitely part of distractive drive. They were from Haiti.

[Adam Carolla]

They're all three Haitians. And the guy was driving had been here for two years. And last I checked, they don't do probably a lot of high speed driving in Haiti. Right. And you can look it up. But there's definitely. I kept saying, what's wrong with the driver? Like, why didn't the driver hit the brain? We did 20 minutes on that minivan. Just slammed it. Didn't you didn't see it lean forward? Not a puff of smoke came out of the front tire. It wasn't a lock it up. It was just. It looked like the Minivan was traveling 55 down the highway and was traveling 55 when it hit the truck. It didn't swerve. It didn't anything. And I kept going. What's Wrong with those drivers. You can look it up. But it was a weird article that somebody tweeted me that all three of the people were Haitian. And again, that brings up a good question.

[Alicia Krause]

So my niece is almost 16, she's has her permit, she's driving all these places. She just drove cross country with her grandparents and is practicing and has to have so many hours behind the wheel of a car before she can officially get her license when she turns 16 in December. When we have people immigrate from other countries, maybe we should do a better job at implementing permit type system because it is very different. Like it shocks me. I'm going to Spain next week and I'm like, I'm not gonna drive in Spain. I don't know what, I can't read all the signs and I don't know what side of the road they're on and all that stuff. Like to take someone who immigrated here and just expect that they know how to do a thing with all of the Americanisms.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Alicia Krause]

You know, the four lane highways and, and you know, toll roads and all this stuff. It's not fair to them or us to just like let them go.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, Haitians, Haiti's probably the poorest place in the hemisphere. I mean, it's one of the poorest places, I'd say. Not a lot of car ownership, I would probably say. And probably not a lot of guys. You know, not a lot of people own Corvettes there. It's not like a lot of spirited driving going on. They don't have a history in NASCAR or road racing or something.

[Alicia Krause]

They also don't have like a 100 miles of an interstate.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Alicia Krause]

Just go straight.

[Andrew]

They don't have driver's ed either.

[Adam Carolla]

They don't. Yeah. So they don't, they don't have anything for driving over there. So I'm saying this guy was not used to going down the interstate at 60 miles an hour is what I'm saying in Haiti. So when it comes to when I kept saying, what was wrong with that driver? What was wrong with that driver? Now the thing about people that are bad drivers or that happens. Oh God, I hate these people, but they panic. I just saw footage of a guy back in a pickup truck off a pier. Cause it was like a kid backing it up and he just like, he panicked and punched the accelerator and the car just went into the bay. I've been with people that they panic and they go, you know, they stomp on the accelerator, you know, they can't process it.

[Alicia Krause]

But the first driver didn't do any of those things.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, he could have panicked and froze or whatever he did. He didn't react. But because he probably didn't do a lot of driving for the 25 years he was in Hades. And then he came here for two years and did probably limited driving. And then they gave him this minivan and he didn't react like someone would react. That's all I'm putting. I don't know how much driving goes. I don't. What percentage of people own a car in Hades. That's all I'm saying. All right, so this guy, this guy.

[Alicia Krause]

He'S the CEO of a publicly traded company, by the way, called Drugbruck. It's like a paving company. His.

[Adam Carolla]

I like this guy.

[Alicia Krause]

I'm not gonna. Andrew said, just say it fast. Petro Czechrek. So you've seen this video, right?

[Adam Carolla]

Should we pay it for that? He's the Polish guy.

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Who?

[Alicia Krause]

Yep.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Okay. They're at the US Open. Someone's handing out the guy, the guy that just won.

[Alicia Krause]

I also can't say his name. Hands his hat out, hands his signing things. Handing things out.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Alicia Krause]

Yep.

[Adam Carolla]

And he hands it to the kid. And then the guy steals it and.

[Alicia Krause]

Puts it in his wife's bag.

[Adam Carolla]

Puts it in his wife's bag.

[Alicia Krause]

So she's there videoing the whole thing. I'm assuming it's his wife.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, she. Oh, let's hope we don't have another Coldplay situation. That would be funny if that was funny.

[Alicia Krause]

If this was a double whammy.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Jerk.

[Alicia Krause]

And. And look, the kid. Actually, if you watch that, I watched a minute long clip, that kid followed him.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really?

[Alicia Krause]

That kid had some tenacity because he followed him for a little bit and was like, hey, man, hey. Like, he's talking to him and he's like, hey, he took the hat from me, right? You can read his lips. And that's what he's saying to him. And that lady's just there, like, smiling and grinning. He got the hat and he stuck it in the bag, right?

[Adam Carolla]

So. So here's how we work, and this is how we should all work. I told everyone, yes. Last week or the week before that, when somebody parks, I had a woman park in the middle of my driveway at my place where I couldn't get on either side. And then the next time, she parked across and blocked it. Right now I go nuts. And then everyone goes, so what? It's just a car. Just go, move the car. And I go, no, no, it's a window into who the person really is. It's who they are. It's 10 cents worth of hat. Who cares? Oh, no. It's a window to who that guy is as a human being. This is why we react so strongly to this. We don't care about the kid, by the way. The kids at the U.S. open or the whatever, open. When I was 8, I was. There was no 10. I wasn't hanging out at a tennis tournament.

[Alicia Krause]

Like, down, down. Close enough to touch a.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes, that kid is rich. That kid is doing better than every kid you grew up with, including yourself.

[Alicia Krause]

There's no better than my kids.

[Adam Carolla]

Mo me. There was me going to my dad, hey, Dad, I think we should head down to Flushing Meadows. He'd be like, what the fuck?

[Alicia Krause]

Are you.

[Adam Carolla]

Are you kidding? By the way, we're not going to. We wouldn't go to Knott's Berry Farm on your birthday. Are you kidding me? We're not going to attend. So that kid is fine. It's not the hat. Everyone in this picture is doing great. All rich white people are at a tennis thing. Everyone's doing fine. It's not that. It's a window into who this person is. That's why we react this way.

[Alicia Krause]

But here's my take 2 cents. Because I had the exact same thought as you. So we're on the same wavelength there. But this guy is the CEO of a publicly traded company. He has the fiduciary responsibility to do whatever it takes within legal bounds to make his stockholders and his board and all of his employees and everything the most money possible. So he is probably like this at his job, in his personal life, all that stuff 99.9% of the time and people are cheering him on because he's making a moolah. But then when it is public and in a situation like this, I almost don't think it's fair to criticize him for his assholism showing when he's probably like that all the time. And he tends to get cheered on for it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, it's a good point. I mean, we do that. It's funny with Michael Jordan. There's a Michael Jordan, man. It wasn't just basketball. You play dominoes with that guy, he'll try anything to beat you. He'll try anything. Everyone goes, oh, that's who he is.

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah, that's who he is. And this guy, you can tell who he is based on his apology. If your kids gave you this apology. If my kids gave me this apology, I just massively. Eye roll. He said, that he was, like, overcome because it was a fellow Polish dude that, like, won a game. He guess he beat out a Russian.

[Andrew]

It's like he was at a Tony.

[Adam Carolla]

Tony, Tony concert and felt the spirit, felt the fear.

[Alicia Krause]

So he said, quote, I would like to unequivocally apologize to the boy who was harmed, his family as well as all the fans and the player himself. I made a serious mistake in the emotions and the crowd's joy after the victory, I was convinced that the tennis player was handing the cap in my direction. For my sons who had earlier asked for autographs. It is a painful but necessary lesson for me. He went on to say that for years, together with my wife, I've been involved in helping children and young athletes. But this situation showed me that one moment of carelessness can undo years of work and support. He's a millionaire, by the way, just like Ilhan Omar. And he said, therefore, I will engage more actively in initiatives supporting children and youth as well as actions against violence and hate. Like, why does everything have to be.

[Adam Carolla]

Stop Hate.

[Alicia Krause]

I believe that only through deeds can I rebuild this lost trust.

[Andrew]

He looks like a Bond villain, but in the made for TV movie, like the cheaper version.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. All right. Do we put the Mike Moore thing on your, your things to do list then?

[Andrew]

By the way, 1% of the Haitian population owns cars. Owns cars. And I imagine that several people own several cars.

[Adam Carolla]

Right? So this, there are 11 cars for.

[Andrew]

Every thousand people in Haiti.

[Adam Carolla]

This guy did not grow up driving. No. And he certainly don't have an interstate system over there. So he's going on a run, taking.

[Alicia Krause]

A man or whatever for not doing.

[Adam Carolla]

My repeated speculation over and over when everyone was going, what's wrong with this long haul trucker? I was like, yes. And what's wrong with the guy who never applied the brakes? Something's wrong with that person. And everyone went, I don't know what you're talking about. Oh, black guy. Oh, yeah, I guess that makes sense. Victims of Florida turnpike crash were Haitian immigrants headed to Indiana.

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah, that's sad. I mean, it's all sad.

[Adam Carolla]

It's sad, it's all sad. But now you're in some weird zone because the dude in the semi truck who pulled a U turn, that was a careless move. But there's a world where this guy applies the brakes, tells him to F off in Haitian and then drives to Indiana. And we never heard about this. Right now this guy's up for triple homicide or triple manslaughter or whatever. And at some point you gotta go Look, I pulled a bad move, but the dude driving the minivan doesn't know how to drive. And that definitely was a factor.

[Andrew]

But I think they'll focus on the. If not for argument. If not for him being in this.

[Adam Carolla]

Country, they will focus on that. But as I talked to Mark Garagos about. If you're defending this guy, that's what you say. Defending the truck driver. Sorry. You are going to get into this guy. Yeah. Not having a driver's license in Haiti and then coming here.

[Andrew]

When you went to your prom in Haiti, did you guys take a donkey?

[Adam Carolla]

We took a donkey, yeah. Yeah. And then how stupid and easy it is to get a driver's license here. Probably.

[Alicia Krause]

That's what I'm saying. American kids have to go through so many hours and so much testing, right. Between a permit and a license. Immigrant can come here and just.

[Adam Carolla]

Did he even have a driver's license here? You know what I mean? He had a visa, like a work visa or something, Right? Okay.

[Andrew]

Got a permit to work. One of them had a permit to work. They don't know. They're not releasing the information on the other 2 yet.

[Alicia Krause]

DMV employees are depressed and sad. Anyway, stick them in a car with immigrants and be like, hey, before we give you a temporary license, could you drive around the block?

[Andrew]

Yeah, this is your test drive, bitch.

[Alicia Krause]

Can you. Can you drive around with this mother figure out would.

[Adam Carolla]

It would be interesting, Andrew, for your to do list and your Michael Moore clip is to find out that this guy even have a driver's license or do you get some sort of temporary whatever? Yeah, when I got my motorcycle license, when I got pulled over and they towed my motorcycle and I had to go get the motorcycle and all that kind of stuff, they go, you need to have a motorcycle license to go get your motorcycle out of the impound yard. And I go, well, how do I get a motorcycle license? I can't do the test because I don't have my motorcycle. It's on the impound yard. And they go, oh, we give you a temporary thing. Which means, as far as they're concerned, I still don't know how to ride a motorcycle. But here's your piece of paper to go get it from the impound lot, and then you can drive it again.

[Alicia Krause]

Maybe what we're discovering is our system is just screwed and we need to reinforce all of it.

[Adam Carolla]

Good point. All right.

[Alicia Krause]

I do think maybe even people like over 70 should have to take a test more often.

[Adam Carolla]

Jerry Nadler. All right, let's see. Joe Ford Staton Bonner wrote a book, the Million Dollar Car Detective Inside the the Hunt for the Stolen Seven Million Dollar Car. I got lots of car stuff to talk to them about as well. We'll do that right after this. Open Phone look, if you're running a business and you let a call slip through the cracks, you might as well just hand your wallet to the next guy every time you miss a ring, that's cash walking out the door. You need a phone system that actually works as hard as you do. Keeps you up and in the loop day or night. That's why you got to get OpenPhone. OpenPhone is the number one business phone system that streamlines and scales your customer communication. So whether you're a one person operation drowning in calls and texts or have a large team that needs better collaboration tools, Openphone is a no brainer. It's Openphone. Right Dawson Openphone is offering our listeners.

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[Andrew]

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[Adam Carolla]

Hey Adam. John from North Carolina, long time listener, dozens of years. You always said buy a warehouse, you'll find help. What to do with it? That's what I did. Everybody asked me what are you going.

[Joe Ford]

To do with it? I have no idea.

[Adam Carolla]

I'll figure it out. Get it up.

[Andrew]

You can leave us a message at 888-634-1744.

[Adam Carolla]

Joe Ford. And State and Bonner are both in. They got a book out. It's the Million dollar Car Detective. Inside the worldwide hunt for a stolen $7 million car. It's a 1938 Talbot Lago, am I right?

[Joe Ford]

Yes, sir.

[Adam Carolla]

And it was a. It's not my era per se, but there was a kind of Frenchy, kind of art deco y car, era, 30s kind of thing. Very expensive cars in there. And then stuff would go missing because of World War II as well. Lots of stories about people hiding cars, trying not to. You know, Germany's advancing, you got a one of a kind car in your barn, and you gotta hide it because the Nazis are gonna plunder it. Right. So how much of that was this? Or what was the story of this car?

[Joe Ford]

Yeah, that's part of it. I go into World War II and actually the theft of cars by soldiers during that time. But in my 20 years a journalist, this was the most amazing story I'd ever come across. It was like White Lotus meets Fast and Furious meets James Bond. In 2001, in the middle of the night, three thieves broke into the private garage of a Milwaukee industrialist and stole this 1938 Tabo Lago worth $7 million. Absconded in the night for years, it was gone.

[Adam Carolla]

You say that was 01?

[Joe Ford]

01? Yes, sir.

[Adam Carolla]

01. So in modern times.

[Joe Ford]

That's right. But it was all in pieces, and these guys had to take it out with an overhead crane. They knew exactly where all the paperwork was. As you point out, it's hard to prove the provenance, as you know, with a lot of these vehicles. So they knew everything about it. It was a famous car. I interviewed your friend Jay Leno at Pebble Beach. He flew out to Milwaukee and almost purchased this car years before that. Decided not to do it.

[Adam Carolla]

When it was in pieces.

[Joe Ford]

When it was in pieces. And he looked at it and he told me it was kind of a widowed. The guy had made all this money in plastics, but his wife, his son had died. He was kind of a hermit. And he was just tinkering with this car. And as the value of it skyrocketed, these thieves found out about it, broke in, cut the alarm, took it. And then for years, the trail was cold. Until years later, a disgruntled mechanic in the French Alps reached out to Joe Ford here and said, I know where that car is. And Joe partnered with the air to retrieve it. And that's what took me in to this world. As you know, pebble beach, high end cars, just like artwork, they're very valuable. And increasingly we're seeing more thefts around that. But there's no FBI team dedicated to retrieving rare cars like there are for artwork. So they call Joe here.

[Adam Carolla]

So, Joe, you specialize a former attorney, right?

[Staton Bonner]

Correct.

[Adam Carolla]

PI now, this is your expertise. Automobiles, Right. And I wonder. I've been always asking about where James Dean's wrecked car is for a long time. Because that thing got stolen and. Oh, God. J.J. arms was the PI who was on that. That was the PI who had an action figure who was missing his hands, his arms. It sounds like I'm making this up. I'm not making this up. He had an action figure in the 70s, and that was. Try to think who owned that car. I'll think of it in a second. But there's that car. And I don't know if they've. Does that ever come onto your radar? Does anyone ever say, James Dean's car?

[Staton Bonner]

I did once research that car and I thought somebody revived it with the leftover parts of the chassis or something and.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah. So the thing is, the car's. And we'll get to this car. The car's a unibody car. It's a tub. It's a Porsche, it's a tub. It's not a frame. And so when a tub gets destroyed or gets mashed up, they'll pull the axles off, they'll pull the engine off. And they pulled the transaxle off and stuff and sold it separately. But it's never the car because the car's the tub with the serial number on it, so to speak. And that car, George Barris, the famous customizer, owned the guy built the monkey's car and the monster mobile and all that stuff that. That guy owned that car. And it got stolen in the 60s out of Florida, and they've never found it. But this car, the Talbot Lago.

[Staton Bonner]

The Talbot Lago actually spent a lot of time in Los Angeles. It was imported by Luigi Canetti out of Connecticut. Sold to Tommy Lee out of Hollywood. He had a stable of fantastic cars.

[Adam Carolla]

Luigi Canetti won Le mans, like the 50s. Ferrari, Enzo Ferrari. The old man said, go to North America and start selling Ferraris. That's where he started NART North America Racing Team. And Luigi Canetti was the first guy who had the Ferrari dealerships and race team in the United States.

[Joe Ford]

Yeah, and he sold it to Dorsey, who was a playboy. His father had all these car dealerships actually owned the mountain that the Hollywood sign is on.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh really?

[Joe Ford]

Yeah. And this guy just raced cars out in the desert flats, just living this total playboy life. Had a wreck, tragically killed himself, jumped off the 12 story building and his cars then went on the auction block. And Joe, they went to at that point, that's when they got to Milwaukee.

[Staton Bonner]

Yeah, it went to the Midwest. But Tommy Lee actually had three teardrops. This was 90108. He also had 90105 and he also had 90107.

[Adam Carolla]

And I mean the thing about cars is exclusive cars are always expensive. But you don't really know. For instance, Luigi Canetti probably had a lot of people at the time trade in some Ferrari that would be worth millions of dollars now to get a new Dino Ferrari or something in 1970 or Daytona, which are still worth something today. But that the car they traded in is worth 14 million, the car they got is worth 400 grand right now. Right.

[Joe Ford]

And Joe can tell you his history in hunting these vehicles. But to your point, Adam, you're exactly right. I interviewed a lot of experts, FBI car restoration people. These things were husks of junk for decades. Like it could have won, it could have been in all these storied races and it was just a burned out shell. Interestingly, Ralph Lauren was one of the first guys to popularize the restoration of this. He grew up in the Bronx from nothing. He was in the cars. Once Polo took off, he's like, man, I want to start collecting cars and restoring them. And that led to this pebble beach best in show. I mean all those things weren't happening, but it's grown. It's one of the fastest rising asset classes, the meticulous restoration. I went to restoration shops, these guys are tattooed using hundred year old tools to meticulously restore these cars with parts that are original and like stuffing chairs with horse hair. It's a pretty fascinating, meticulous world and it's a place for billionaires can compete with these things. And sometimes corners are cut in trying to find the best show to beat your peers.

[Adam Carolla]

And also the idea of sinking 400 grand into restoring a car that might not be worth 400 grand once you've restored it years ago. So it didn't seem like a good plan. But if the car's going to be worth several million dollars now, then that's a smart investment and that's kind of where we're going now.

[Joe Ford]

Yeah, I mean, Joe, tell them what this car's estimated value is now. $7 million when it was stolen.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, when it was stolen. Yeah, yeah, I was going to say because 7 feels a little light for today.

[Staton Bonner]

Say a million back in 2001 sold for 7 million to a wealthy doctor from Illinois, by the turns out to be the thief out of Switzerland.

[Adam Carolla]

So wait, say it again. It sold for 7 million back in 01 in 2015. Oh, 2015.

[Staton Bonner]

And now it's closer to 12 to 14 million. In fact, my appraiser's Donald Osborne.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, sure. From Jay Leno.

[Joe Ford]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I like when he sings.

[Joe Ford]

It was stolen in 01 and then disappeared for years. Joe gets a call years later from a mechanic who was doing work for the alleged thief and says, I know where this car is if you want to come find it. Joe then partnered with the heir to the vehicle. The original guy had died and they spent years tracking it down. And it turns out that a wealthy dental magnate out of Ohio originally had purchased the vehicle with allegedly forged paperwork. And when he tried to register it in the United States from Switzerland, it popped up as being stolen. And that kicked off a whole legal battle which is still ongoing around this car. But that's part of what's owns it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Where's Talbot Lago out of. Are they French?

[Staton Bonner]

It's originally French and then part of it moved to the uk Dirac. And then they quit production.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, they're defunct. And there are certain car companies that were around and then went away, but they still have some ip and then they came back later on and gave it another go. And that happens with a lot. But Talbot Lago never came back.

[Staton Bonner]

No, not Talbot Lago. But there are some people trying to revive Figone because this is a custom body by a couple of Italian craftsmen working out of the Paris in the 38. The wealthy wealthy would order their chassis and motor from the factory, send it to these guys in Paris and they'd get haute couture. Built a custom body.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes, that was popular. People do it with Duesenbergs, I think as well. You'd buy the frame and the engine and all the running gear and everything, but. And then you'd have the body made by an artist. Yes, you know, Zagato and stuff like that, you know, and so there's some like Ferraris that are zagato bodied and that kind of stuff. And so it makes them go from pretty rare to super rare because you go from oh, there's 50 units to there's two units or there's one unit, one off kind of stuff which then the price goes up.

[Staton Bonner]

There's about 16 of these bodies put on this particular type chassis. It was a very short racing chassis with holes punched in it to make it super lightweight with a racing motor. And each one subtly different. Like, one may have recessed headlights, one may not. One may have an oval radiated grille, one may not. One may have trim at the bottom of all the fenders, one may not. So subtle little differences. And they went straight to the Concorde in 1938 in Paris. We've got pictures of this car in the 1938 Concorde.

[Adam Carolla]

It's tough because there wasn't a lot of color pictures back then. And so it's really tough when you're looking at those black and whites, trying to figure out what color. Well, something is. Yes.

[Staton Bonner]

But then we do forensic studies. Like we were able to sand off the paint for certain parts. And you can track it back to the original build sheet from Fagone, who did the body and the interior. So this car actually had its original leather interior. And it was painted maybe three times. But the original paint was still underneath.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Staton Bonner]

It wasn't stripped. It was just cheaply painted.

[Adam Carolla]

Didn't get it down to the metal. Yeah, Jay could have had this car. But Jay's got that McLaren F1 from 93 or 94 that's worth 25 million bucks.

[Joe Ford]

He's doing all right.

[Adam Carolla]

He'll be fine. We shouldn't cry for Jay Leno and his car purchasing.

[Joe Ford]

But it was funny cause I literally saw him at Pebble Beach. I was there reporting, and I called out and he walked over and he remembered exactly this car. And I think what's fascinating for me at least, I didn't know much about this world before I got into it. Just the world of high end cars. And this goes into this underbelly. I mean, there are thefts, you know, forgeries happening all the time. But what was particularly interesting around this too was the alleged thief was a former friend and business associate of Joe. They came up together in New Orleans importing gray market cars, working in the rare car business, really import, export. And then one ended up in Switzerland being hunted by the FBI in Interpol. And Joe was conscripted to help the FBI. And I interviewed all the authorities and local authorities to go to go try to get to the bottom of this case. So it was this amazing story of best friends turned worst enemies that really took it to another level. And I interviewed the alleged thief for five hours and include both their stories going back and forth throughout. It's pretty.

[Adam Carolla]

Did he have a story Other than he stole a car, totally denied it.

[Joe Ford]

I mean, you know, it got to. Ultimately, all charges against him were dropped. A key witness in the case died of old age, and it was all dropped. And he is now a free man. So it was at that point, after being held, he was at first taken by authorities in Switzerland, extradited, held in federal prison in Wisconsin for a couple of years. And then ultimately, when charges were dropped, he was released. And at that point, he sat with me and his lawyers for a couple of interviews very long, and I really got his side of the story as well, which he denies everything.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Well, Joe, you believe he did it? I'm assuming.

[Staton Bonner]

I've seen the evidence. We're actually going for some rejudgment on the fact that the car was stolen. Ownership resides with the original theft victim, and that should be decided this September 17th. After almost eight years of litigation, I think we're about to have closure.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, it's an interesting world. I mean, I just got back from pebble beach and walked the beach and saw everybody with their cars and how meticulous they are and the stories behind them. And yeah, if you hang around long enough, you'll see cars going for millions and millions of dollars. I don't know. They had a Ferrari maybe California spider something. 23 million maybe at the shop. But they even had a nart Back to Luigi Canadian's North America Racing Team Daytona. Daytona's a production car, but this thing was the race version of that Daytona one for like 8.2 million bucks. And it's. But it's not one off. It's a racing version of a production car from Ferrari that had, like. It didn't win le mans. It just ran Le mans a couple times. I don't think it finished. You have to. By the way, if you're reading about cars, you have to read between the lines at the auctions because they'll go, participated in 1979, that means didn't finish. Okay. If it came in first in its class, it will say first in its class. And if it finished le mans, it'll go successfully finished le mans. Or if it came in seventh overall or something. If it just said participated or ran at le mans, it means it broke probably early and dropped out. But that car got 8 million plus bucks, which is pretty nuts.

[Staton Bonner]

That's a record, too.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah, that Daytona's record. Yeah, that's way, way into the record. Yeah, I made. Well, this would be a perfect time to play it. But, Andrew, you can find grand theft submarine I mean, this was all laid out by me and my crystal brain more than 20 years ago when I was on the radio. This is like 25 years ago. I went to pebble beach and I came back. Now, it's interesting. I was there two weeks ago. They now have security. They have dogs and dudes with guns, and you see them walking around. I guess it's everywhere now because of terrorists. Whatever. 25 years ago, there wasn't a couple of rental cops and windbreakers like mall cops just kind of putzing around telling people, you can't eat that here. Don't touch the car kit. But there's no real security. And the way where the place was located, it would probably take a while for real security, you know, real SWAT team or something to get out there. I figured out. Well, I'll play this. You tell me, Joe. It could just, you know, this could be. Realistically if this could happen or not. All right, Drew, here's my idea. Yeah, yeah, I'm on Pebble Beach. Yeah, I'm at the concourse today. There's. Like I said, there's got to be $100 million worth of cars out there. 25 years ago, submarine surfaces right in the bay. It's an old Soviet nuclear class a submarine that's been bought cheaply on the black market Commandeer. They've removed all the torpedoes and stuff and all the missiles and everything, but it can hold, like, 22 cars now. Perfect. First guy first the front open, you know, and it got that guy with the crazy accent. He's good looking. He has long hair. You know, they take the 50 millimeter, start spraying. All the gentry. People dress in period garb. Periods are pissed out. Sometimes they do dress that way. I just make it look like fat rich guys. Fat rich guys. Whiny.

[Staton Bonner]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Spray champagne going everywhere. And he does that thing where he goes, I hope I've got your attention now. You know, he's very understated and everything. Yeah, yeah. All right. My guy. Could be me. Could be Steven Seagal or something. This guy's. He's been drummed out of the service. Not because he didn't get the job done, because he punched out a superior officer when he left some men behind. Be a good man. They left behind. He was framed for a crime. Drummed out of the military, this guy with seals and Green Beret and Special forces. Now he's dressed in a old 20s kind of chauffeur outfit. And he's. He's been demoted to just dusting like a Bentley, you know? He's got the dust thing on there, but he sees what's going on. And these guys take these multi million dollar cars and they start loading them onto the thing to take him to foreign markets.

[Attorney Daniel Stoner]

But what motivates him is a bullet.

[Adam Carolla]

Hits one of his favorite cars. You've seen foreboding. Now he's done it. Now it's like, now you've done it. See his reflection in the cracked rear view mirror versus this car means something stows away in the car as they load them onto the submarine. Yeah, now it's out there. He's on the sub, stowed away in a Duesenberg. Yeah, yeah. And they're going to some Arab country to sell them to like a sultan of Brunei or something. Nice. Yeah, yeah. He's in the trunk. Oh yeah. Action ensues. It's very exciting. Yeah. Action movie, right?

[Joe Ford]

I love it.

[Adam Carolla]

I'd watch that movie.

[Joe Ford]

Yeah, I'm geared up now.

[Adam Carolla]

Where would you go with a car that was stolen these days? Like I always, people go, well, where's James Dean's Porsche? I go, it's I don't know, 20 stories underground in the desert somewhere in the Middle east. Like some OPEC guys bunker somewhere. I mean, it's hard to do in the more, I don't know, Western world, I guess. Is that correct?

[Staton Bonner]

Absolutely. Of course, the provenance would end once they were taken and ownership would never change. However, it could be squirreled away until somebody has to sell it.

[Adam Carolla]

When you got to 30 years old, there's like Monets and Faberge eggs and stuff in these guys trophy rooms, right?

[Staton Bonner]

Yep.

[Joe Ford]

I mean, I detail a range of different stories about stolen cars, including the most famous stolen car, the 1965 Aston Martin DB5 from the film Goldfinger, which was taken. My book includes a new potential theory on it. It's actually the ending, the epilogue, but basically was stolen in the middle of the night from a small airport in the Boca Raton area. Had been owned by a real estate developer. And that car was looked, has been looked for for decades. Joe has a theory, a potential theory about it. I also interviewed another specialist from Venice who says he has found proof. He thinks it was stolen, taken in the Middle East. It's sitting in a warehouse somewhere along with dozens and rows of other cars. It'll never see the light of the day.

[Adam Carolla]

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[Joe Ford]

But Joe's been offered to try to find cases in Russia.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, what's the DB5 worth, you think?

[Joe Ford]

The DB5, I mean, that's a good question. There's estimates like 10, 15. It just depends. But I mean, you know, all of these cars that are unique and obviously there's such a cultural cache with that one as well. And it was the stunt car, actually, so it had all the weapons and stuff on it. There were two different Aston Martins for.

[Adam Carolla]

The they have the hero car and the whatever car.

[Joe Ford]

Yeah. But it's like, you know, I mean, Joe, why don't you tell them the story of Cyclops? I mean, sometimes, Joe, you know, what's fascinating to this is like it's old school detective sleuthing. There's nothing digital about this. Joe has every issue of Road and Track magazine in existence. He goes to Europe and looks up old racing stubs. You know, none of this stuff was documented. So it's all analog and it's all buried. And sometimes you run across unsavory figures doing that.

[Adam Carolla]

So by the way, the Goldfinger car, I mean, if someone just takes it as a trophy and never tries to sell it again, it makes it difficult. Right. Because if you just keep it and you never try to fence it, I mean, if you stole diamonds and you never tried to fence them, then it'd be hard to catch you. Right.

[Staton Bonner]

The expression is it stays in the closet. You gotta wait till it comes out the closet. And usually that means somebody died. The heirs inherit it and then they try to sell it and they say, oh shit, Dad's got a stolen car.

[Adam Carolla]

Right, right. So anyway, I'm sorry, Cyclops.

[Staton Bonner]

Cyclops, that was. This French mechanic had a bunch of valuable parts that happened to belong to the guy we now know as the thief. And that guy sent some Czechoslovakian muscle in order to collect his parts out of France. And one of the guys was like a one eyed guy, a big goon, and his nickname was Cyclops. And I remember the French mechanic telling me, oh, they showed up at my.

[Adam Carolla]

Shop, they take everything and this guy's Cyclops. He's dressing.

[Staton Bonner]

It was so funny. It's real life, like a movie.

[Adam Carolla]

They stole a bunch of 917 motors too. You guys may be aware of this. Porsche 917 1. Le Mans, Steve McQueen, blah blah, blah. Those lumps, I think they're flat 12s. And they're so great. I mean, they're worth over 100 grand each. Just the engine and they had them in crates and those things got stolen. 2.

[Joe Ford]

A while back, this car, the Tabo Lago, its engine was taken from the car again out of spite. And it was tried to. The mechanic tried to sell it on the black market. FBI actually hired Joe to wear a wire to go into a shop where it was trying to be sold. Joe, you want to tell that story? And it's worth $2 million, by the way.

[Adam Carolla]

The engine.

[Staton Bonner]

Yeah, the original engine. The guy never paid his bill to get it rebuilt in France. So the French mechanic went and repossessed it and held it.

[Adam Carolla]

Is it a straight six?

[Staton Bonner]

It's a yes. Triple carburetor.

[Adam Carolla]

I know a lot.

[Staton Bonner]

Racing oil pan, lightweight. Special sleeves that screw into the block.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. No dry sump system probably. Maybe. I don't know. Anyway, sorry, go ahead.

[Staton Bonner]

So anyway, the engine was offered for sale for 600,650. Nobody would bite. But I wanted to investigate, so I agreed to wear a wire to go to this shop in Wisconsin, south Wisconsin that happened to be trying to sell it on behalf of the French guy. And they kind of figured it out and they said, oh, it's sold, it's gone, it's sold to somebody in France. It's now in a race car. Turns out it wasn't. But somehow the FBI bird dogged it and actually recovered the engine from the French mechanic. He ended up coughing up all the parts to the engine.

[Adam Carolla]

So the engine has been reunited with the chassis?

[Staton Bonner]

No, the engine is sitting in an FBI evidence room. Oh, but A correct period engine is presently in the car.

[Adam Carolla]

Uh huh. But it's not a numbers matching block that would have been with the car when created. Correct. Right. So people are curious about how it works. One time Penn Jillette said I was talking to him about this, he goes, if you say you got Houdini's wand, but the tip has been replaced and the shaft has been replaced and the butt has been replaced, then when has it ceased to become Houdini's wand?

[Staton Bonner]

Yeah, right.

[Adam Carolla]

And I said, well, that's a good question because I have race cars and they got. They replace engines blow up and parts get crashed and they replace fenders and. And stuff gets replaced. I sort of said to him, well, it's Houdini Jwan until someone else says they have Houdini Juan. And that's not Houdini Juan. If it's you own it and no one's arguing with you that it is Houdini Juan, then it's not as good as one that's completely unmolested. But it's more about people saying, no, no, I own Houdini Zwan. Because there can be some of that too. And I guess there must be. There was a big problem with art forgery and maybe still is, but that was a big deal. And I guess automobile forgery is a thing now. They can build. They used to build kit cars and they had a VW chassis on them. Now they do these really nice recreations and you gotta pay like 300 grand for the nice recreation, but the original's 10 million, so there you go. But seems like they could keep going now and actually make fakes, right?

[Staton Bonner]

They can. But typically if you drill down, literally like the FBI did, they actually drilled the chassis of this car to determine the shavings and then compare the shavings to other known unmolested teardrops and there was a match. So they got it down to a molecular level match that this chassis is the real McCoy.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. You wouldn't if it was a modern day steel chassis that wouldn't present the same way to a metallurgist.

[Staton Bonner]

That's right.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. It's interesting stuff. And I don't know if you guys know the story. It's something I've always thought about with the Cobra Daytona that Phil Spector had. You know that one? It's like the craziest story I know. Pete Brock. Pete Brock made that Daytona at Shelby's shop. Still around. Just saw him@pebble2 weeks ago. He built the car, the car won the manufacturer's championship for America, I don't know, 67 or something. And then it went to the salt flats and set a bunch of records there. And then it came back here, and Carroll Shelby tried to sell it to everyone in his shop for, like, four grand, and nobody wanted it. And then it. Some guy who owned slot cars, those kind of big slot car tracks they used to go to back in the day. Fun. He bought it for, like, I don't know, 2,500 bucks or three grand, and he had it for a couple of years, and then he sold it to Phil Spector, and Phil Spector paid, like, five grand for it and drove it around and got a bunch of tickets. And it's a race car, essentially, that is technically. You could drive on the street, you know, had turn signals, but too hot, too loud. He got into trouble. He gave it to his bodyguard, essentially, and his bodyguard died and gave it to his daughter. And then it just stayed in a garage for years and years and years. And it's probably worth 20, 25 million bucks now. But people started to figure out where it was and started coming around, and she wouldn't let him see it, wouldn't sell it, wouldn't do anything with it. And eventually she finally sold it for a few million dollars, and that day, went out on a hike, poured gasoline all over herself and lit herself on fire. Do you know that part of it?

[Joe Ford]

I did not.

[Adam Carolla]

That's the crazy part. She was this woman who didn't make much money, just, like, worked at a postal place or something, and our leader or something. She lived out in this area and didn't make any big bucks and had this car worth millions of dollars just in the garage of her crappy little house. Never let anyone see it, never sold it. Eventually sold it to Dr. Simeon, who passed recently in Philadelphia. A big collection out there. I don't know if you've ever been to the Simeon Museum. Lots of race cars, lots of Le Mans cars. She sold it, and she just took a hike with her dog and gasoline, and she just stopped in the middle of the trail, and she just doused herself in gasoline, just set herself on fire. Wow.

[Joe Ford]

That's terrible. I didn't know that.

[Adam Carolla]

It's kind of crazy story, right?

[Joe Ford]

All of these are crazy stories. I mean, there's another car Joe retrieved, which is a stolen $18 million Ferrari Spider California. No, this was actually the former nuclear scientist who worked on it. You want to tell that story, Joe?

[Staton Bonner]

Yeah. A 1954 Ferrari 375, plus a factory racer in 54, competed in Le Mans DNF did not finish. Then sold to American privateers Jim Kimberly, the Kleenex tissue fortune. He raced it for a few years, sold it to a Howard Hively, and he raced it for a year or two more and buy a. I think the last race was a Cuba Grand Prix in 57. And he sold it to a Cincinnati guy who then just squirreled it away in his yard with 300 other cars.

[Joe Ford]

But it was the same. It's the same kind of thing, Adam, because he became really focused on his cars. And he was a former Los Alamos nuclear scientist who had helped develop basically the flight for the atomic bomb that was dropped in Japan to try to slow its ascent and like let the pilots get away faster. But he was haunted by his involvement in the atomic bomb. And he became this crazy kind of eccentric kook surrounded by a graveyard of old cars. He would make his own cars out of crazy different parts. And I found all these old newspaper stories by the guy I interviewed, people who had known him. And then of course there was this one Ferrari that the word got out, especially after, after Ferrari himself died, these cars started really skyrocketing in value. And these guys out of Georgia hatched a plan to go up there. One of them had seen it as a kid and steal it. And they did and you know, exported it under false paperwork to Belgium where it was purchased by a Ferrari racing legend himself. And. But it was set off this basically, the daughter says it almost killed the father, the theft of that car.

[Adam Carolla]

It was a mid-50s Spyder race car, front engine. Obviously probably a V12, but it could have been a 4 V12. V12.

[Joe Ford]

Beautiful car.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, beautiful heyday Ferrari stuff. Sort of looked like a Testarossa from back then.

[Joe Ford]

Yep, yep, exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. You know, it's funny, always makes me think about dads and what they leave their kids. Cause I got a Tony Bennett CD when my dad died and that was about it. But I was thinking about it because. And we're talking about Luigi Canetti, right? Yep. I was at Pebble a couple weeks ago and I was walking around the Ferrari lawn in front of the Pebble. Long story. They got an old area of the Ferraris and there was this three seater Ferrari that looked a lot like a Dino, but it's different. And it was built specially for Luigi Canetti. So Ferrari built this car as a thank you, I think, to Luigi Canetti, who came here to the United States and started selling Ferraris. And it looks like a Dino, but it's got three seats, one seat in the middle, kind of like a new McLaren, certain McLarens. And it had a Ferrari, like race engine stuff. And it was a really cool piece. And if you squint it, it just looked like a Dino. But it very interesting. And they made two of them and Luigi Canetti got one of them. And then Luigi Canetti died. And then at some point, his son took it to auction. And this is about 10 years ago. And I think he wanted 25, maybe 28 million. And it stalled out at like 22,500 or something. And it was this great shot of Luigi Canetti's son looking a little disappointed and mostly pissed off. Like he gave a kind of like, God damn, what now? You know what I mean? Like, the humanity of it. I thought, you son of a bitch, your dad left you a $25 million Ferrari. But it stalled out at 22,8. Now your day has been ruined. I thought, could you please put something in perspective? I'll trade you that Tony Bennett CD my dad liked left me for that car. It's still out and obviously somebody bought it or it's on the lawn. I don't know where it is. It's a really cool piece, but it's all the story. And everyone is, you're kind of buying the car, but you're buying the story of the car 100%. And now with the teardrop Talbot lago, the fact that stolen, recovered, reunited with its engine, God willing, at some point, I guess that's adding to the story, the value of the car. Look, you know, a day Tomasa Pantera is worth, you know, 100 grand. But if it's the one that Elvis shot and it still has a bullet hole in the door, then that's worth 500 grand or whatever, a million. So it's the story you're buying. You're not.

[Staton Bonner]

There is the movie star quality that's building. But these cars, the teardrops especially, are now regarded as works of art.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Staton Bonner]

They're just so beautiful and so phenomenally unique and detailed and done by engineering artists. I mean, to build that body such that it survives a wind tunnel, you gotta know your stuff.

[Joe Ford]

But to the story of your point, yes. This car already had one of the most amazing stories of a car, just its Hollywood pedigree being raced, owned by industrialists. And now it's involved with, you know, one of the most spectacular heist stories of all time. It's also been. You mean, I press anyone to find a car that's been more vetted and investigated than this one. Whoever buys this ultimate or whatever happens with it. Every square inch centimeter of this car has been analyzed. But yeah, I mean, the story of it in the Million Dollar Detective. Car Detective, it was just fun. I mean, I wasn't a huge car guy before I got into this, but it's an amazing world and just the story of Joe and his former friend finding themselves on opposite sides of the law in this global heist in caper. It was just really fun to report and work on.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I would say the book probably adds a little value to the car now as well. The book's available now as we speak. The Million Dollar Car Detective Inside the World Worldwide Hunt for Stolen Seven Million Dollar Car. Again, a good story. You don't have to be a car person. You'd be a story person, right?

[Joe Ford]

That's right. Thanks, Adam.

[Adam Carolla]

Thanks, Joe.

[Staton Bonner]

Thanks a bunch, Adam.

[Adam Carolla]

Thanks Dayton. That was fun. I will be this weekend in Charlotte doing shows. Why shouldn't I work on the weekends at the Comedy Zone and then El Paso the following weekend and Albuquerque after that and Flagstaff after that. Go to mcroll.com for all the the live shows. Until next time, Adam for Joan Staton, Annalise Kraus saying mahalo.

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