This episode is going to be a deep dive into extended-state dimethyltryptamine, otherwise known as DMTx.

Our guests for this episode are Hayley Mann and Kevin Thorbahn, who run Dream Mind Labs one of only a handful of places in the world where DMTx is available outside of clinical trials.

They are on the show to talk about:

🧬 What DMTx is and how it works 🌀 What people experience during a DMTx session 🙋 Why people choose to undergo the experience ⏱️ How long people stay in for 💡 What people get out of the experience 🏥 Where DMTx may fit in the growing psychedelic medical and personal use landscape ⚖️ The legal situation in Colorado that allows them to legally run Dream Mind Labs ⚠️ The dangers present in undergoing DMTx 👽 The nearly universal experience of encountering and communicating with entities or aliens 🔫 The "DMT laser thing" 🎵 The role of music and sound during a DMTx session 🤯 Some of the weirder things they have experienced as facilitators

This was a super interesting interview for me, and I found Haley and Kevin very easy and joyful to talk with. It was easily one of the most at-ease and "myself" I have felt in an interview in a long time, and I look forward to sharing it with you now.

Enjoy!

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Episode Breakdown

(00:00) Ad (Amentara)
(00:36) Opening
(04:46) Interview Begins
(04:55) The legality of DMTx and other psychedelics in Colorado
(11:04) DMTx, what it is and how it works
(16:33) How long people stay in the DMT experience
(18:00) The level of intensity people go into
(20:27) How participants communicate their needs during their infusion
(21:57) Dose complexities and time in peak dose
(24:46) How Kevin and Haley got into providing DMTx
(33:19) Why people chose to explore DMTx
(39:33) Ad (Amentara)
(41:26) Reported benefits from DMTx
(46:50) Spontaneous healing through DMTx?
(52:04) The "DMT Laser Thing"
(57:25) The variety of experience
(1:01:00) The use and presence of sound and music during a DTMx experience
(1:05:47) No Glossolalia (yet)
(1:07:19) The strange things that happen for the facilitators
(1:13:41) Patreon thanks
(1:16:01) The bio-medical risks of DTMx
(1:22:50) The psychological risks of DMTx, short- and long-term
(1:26:38) Potential future clinical uses of DMTx
(1:29:24) Integration and aftercare protocols
(1:31:46) Ongoing data collection and future research ideas
(1:34:44) A wondering about weight-based dosing
(1:36:57) Future hopes and concerns about DTMx
(1:42:53) Follow-up links and contact details
(1:44:44) Outro