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After Party with Emily Jashinsky
Cowards in Congress, with Rep. Thomas Massie, the TRUTH About Talarico, and Deep State Secrets, with Roger Stone
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Emily Jashinsky is joined by Kentucky Congressman Thomas Massie fresh off his House remarks on his Iran War Powers Resolution. The two discuss why Massie believes it’s important for Congress to reclaim its Constitutional authority, why he believes so many lawmakers won’t go on the record, his upcoming election, and President Trump’s beef with him. Then Emily breaks down one of the most important races in America: the fight for the Senate seat from Texas. She first dives into the failed campaign of Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett and then she looks at some of James Talarico’s more troubling remarks as he prepares to face off with the eventual Republican nominee. Then Emily is joined by Roger Stone, longtime Trump political advisor and host of “The Stone Zone with Roger Stone.” They discuss the newly released JFK files, his claim that Richard Nixon told him who was really behind the assassination, whether the full truth will ever come out, the history of the deep state, and new report...
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Congressman Thomas Massie
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Podcast Host (Emily)
Well. Hello everyone and welcome to Afterparty. Happy Wednesday night. Thank you so much for being here. Please do us a favor and subscribe. If you haven't yet, subscribe on YouTube. That helps us so much or wherever you get your podcasts. It allows us to keep doing this journalism because tonight we have quite a lineup, quite a lineup. Representative Thomas Massie is going to be joining in just one moment. This is an interview that we taped literally after he left the House floor from debate on a war powers bill with regard to Iran. We get him to respond to some of the President's criticism that has been leveled that Representative Massie and hear from him what it was like on the floor of the House, why he's doing what he's doing. So that'll be in just one moment. And as you know, I like to jump in into the chat anytime we have a pre recorded, I mean this was, this was pre recorded right after that House debate today. So I like to jump in the chat. So if you're, if you're watching this live, I'll be in there watching along with the rest of you while we air Thomas Massie. And we're also going to be joined tonight. This is another pre tape. We had a busy pre tape day by Roger Stone. You might be wondering, huh, what is the occasion for Roger Stone's visit to afterparty? This is something that I've been trying to arrange for a while. Finally worked out. He was in a car. Still an opportunity to talk to Roger stone about the JFK files, which I am of course going to take 10 times out of 10 given that Roger Stone knew Nixon knew Howard Hunt's son, for example, new G. Gordon Liddy. And we talk all about Bay of Pigs. I mean, in the midst of everything happening with Cuba right now, we revisit the ties between the Bay of Pigs, between the Kennedy assassination and Watergate. Roger also talks about the Trump assassination attempts. So it's a very interesting interview and I'm excited for everyone to see it. Also, I'll be giving some reaction to the Democratic primary in Texas, which, as you know, if you've been listening, watching the show, I think has been the most interesting primary in the country, Republican or Democrat. So we have some clips that we're going to get to with with Crockett and Talarico, hopefully have a good breakdown on that one. So stick around for that as well. Finally, last but not least, the horrible story of Stephanie Minter out of Fairfax County, Virginia. I'll be breaking that down. If you haven't heard this story yet, you must. You must. So that'll be towards the end of the show, but the details are just awful and really worth spending some time on. So thank you for being with us tonight. Like I said, please do subscribe. It helps us a lot. And I'm going to come out of of the next this this quick break with Congressman Massie. I'll toss to him after this break. So first, if you've been feeling exhausted, ladies, maybe anxious, maybe foggy, or like you're gaining weight no matter what and your doctors are shrugging it off, saying that's normal for your age. You're not crazy. You're not. You're just being ignored. The medical establishment has dismissed women's hormonal health for far too long. Very true. Joy was created by a woman who lived this frustration firsthand during per menopause and decided deserve better than generic advice and symptom checkers. So every Joy lab includes a real consultation with a licensed clinician specializing in women's hormones. Joy offers real treatment options, hormone therapy, peptide therapy, personalized sub supplements, whatever your body actually needs. And for a limited time, you can add a 60 day supply of our estrogen face cream for just $1 with clinician approval, Joy says. So stop guessing and start getting answers. Go to joyandblos.com afterparty and use code AFTERPARTY50 off your labs and 20 off all supplements. What a great deal. That's joyandblos.com afterpartY and code AFTERPARTY for 50 off your labs and 20% off all supplements. That's J O I and B l o k e s.com Afterparty joy and blokes healthcare that actually listens to women.
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Congressman Thomas Massie
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Podcast Host (Emily)
All right, everyone. Like I, like I said, oh, we. Sorry we jumped the gun a little bit. But like I said, Congressman Thomas Massie joined us for an interview shortly after leaving the House floor during a debate about the war powers bill that he introduced with Congressman Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna of California. Now, this is a very close vote in the House of Representatives. A vote in the Senate failed. That failed. Right. While we were talking, actually, while I was talking to Thomas Massie, the war power vote failed in the Senate. Now, if it had cleared both chambers, I talked to him about this in the interview. He would have been able to potentially get that to the President's desk, and the president almost certainly would have vetoed it. He has said he has no intention of seeking a war power bill from. From Congress or seeking congressional approval for the war in Iran. There are, of course, two different layers to this, right? The war power question, whether or not this was a constitutional use of executive authority. You know where I always land on this? Unfortunately, this is the expansive executive power that we have right now. You can cook up an OLC Office of Legal Counsel opinion to basically justify any use of military force, as has happened in recent years, many, many times. Now, is it out of step with the spirit of the Constitution? In the spirit of Article 1 powers is the way our war powers have expanded over time? Out of step with that. Yeah. So I talked to the congressman about that. If there are structural powers, structural changes needed to be made to the War Powers Resolution. But most importantly, we got the congressman fresh off. Like, he walked straight from the House floor to his office to talk to us about what this debate was like as the attacks on Iran continue. This conflict continues. Right now, literally, I'm looking at what's happening as we're sitting here in the Middle East. It's, it's raging. So without further ado, here is Congressman Thomas Massie on our show right now live for you on this Wednesday evening.
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Congressman Thomas Massie
It is Congress that must decide war if American lives are to be risked and American blood is to be shed, that decision must be debated and voted on by the representatives of the American people. And that debate is meant to be arduous, and that vote is meant to be hard. I have a theory. I think my colleagues don't want to go on record because we have a terrible track record of meddling in the Middle East. They don't want their name associated with this when it doesn't turn out well. But Congress cannot be bothered with its constitutional duty because for many in this chamber, it's easier to simply allow someone else's sons and daughters to be sent to combat without their vote.
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Podcast Host (Emily)
Well, that was Congressman Thomas Massie of the great state of Kentucky on the floor of the House of Representatives where because he, along with Democratic Representative Ro Khanna, introduced a War Powers Resolution in regard to this conflict in Iran. There was a debate on the floor of the House of the House of Representatives this evening. So this afternoon, really. Congressman Masseyou just came off the floor. Thank you so much for joining us.
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Congressman Thomas Massie
Hey, thanks for having me on.
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Podcast Host (Emily)
Yeah, absolutely. I want to get your sense of what the mood was like in the chamber. Such a consequential debate, such a consequential conflict, you know, it does obviously feel sort of doomed to failure. I hate saying that Senate is voting right now. Seems like it's going to fail in the Senate. But inside the chamber itself, what was the mood? What was it like? Congressman?
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Congressman Thomas Massie
Well, this is the culmination of an effort that Ro Khanna and I undertook this summer. We actually wrote this bill when the first attack on Iran, incidentally, they said we destroyed their capacity to make a nuclear weapon. And some people are offering that now as the reason for this recent attack. But in any case, we didn't offer this War Powers Resolution in the summer because it was over with almost as quickly as it started. But in this case, it looks like we're in for, you know, we've even been told by the secretary of Defense this could go four, six, eight weeks. And so and if they're telling you six or eight weeks, that could become six or eight months and that could become years. We've seen that happen before in these wars in the Middle East. So we thought it was timely to bring this bill up. We were able to force a vote and a debate on it. I really don't think it's doomed to fail. I saw today my colleague Warren Davidson, Republican, joining me and the margin is so slim here. If every Democrat were to vote for this and Warren Davidson and I vote for could pass, I think. So it's going to come down to attendance and it's also going to come down to some of the Democrats and whether they're going to go along with the majority of Democrats and vote for this war powers resolution. But it was a very somber tone in there. This is not one of those debates where you crack jokes or make light of things because we've already lost six soldiers in this war and we've already spent billions of dollars and people know this is a serious matter.
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Podcast Host (Emily)
And you know, the president would have to obviously overcome the Senate and the House would have to overcome a presidential veto. Right. In all likelihood, if you manage to pass both chambers not looking great in the Senate. So it is ultimately probably not going to convince the president. Right. Is that the case, Congressman?
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Congressman Thomas Massie
Yeah, that's the case.
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Podcast Host (Emily)
Who's been slamming you, as you know, I don't need to remind you of that, but he has been, he told Real Clear Politics that you were, you know, you're just, you're doing your thing.
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Congressman Thomas Massie
Congressman Massey. Well, I have to go find that every time he attacks me, we raise about $50,000 online. So we, you know, checking my watch, we need an attack here pretty soon. And you know, I am half heartedly saying that, you know, tongue in cheek, I would prefer he not attack me. It makes my reelection harder. But I'm going to do the right thing here in Congress regardless. And you're right, procedurally, if this were to succeed in the House and the Senate, the president could veto it and go on his way. Constitutionally, the way this should happen is one of my colleagues should come to the floor and offer a declaration of war. Now, I might undertake that myself, hoping that it wouldn't pass just to do it the constitutional way because in that case it requires a positive vote and it's not overriding a veto. Kind of, we've got that backwards since 1973 in the war Powers Resolution, which itself is probably constitutionally flawed, but at least here's what we did. We had a debate today and, you know, I ask what's the reason? Why are we going to war? And I did elicit some members who are for this war on the Republican side to come up and give some of the reasons. And so at least we got that out of it. And at least we're going to get a record on the vote. And as you saw in that snippet, I have a theory that my colleagues don't want to go on the record on this. We dragged them kicking and screaming into this debate and into this vote, which will happen tomorrow. They don't want to go on the record because we really have a very poor track record in the Middle East. We can't really point to Syria or Iraq or Afghanistan or Libya and say that there's, you know, a modern day Thomas Jefferson, you know, rose to the occasion after we toppled a regime. And you're not going to have that here in Iran either. Look, it's a theocracy. And the president himself said that, you know, his second and third choice got blew up in the attack, that it was so successful. Well, I'm going to presume what he meant was he blew up the second and third in line to the Ayatollah and that he was happy to have another ayatollah as long as he could get one he could deal with. So this also is not about enabling the advocates for freedom in Iran who don't want to live under a radical theocracy who would prefer to live under a republic like ours.
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Podcast Host (Emily)
Do you get the sense from any of your Democratic colleagues who are lining up behind this? I saw Hakeem Jeffries saying, well, Libya was different because Nancy Pelosi was getting some heat for saying, oh, it's, it's Obama can do what he was doing in Libya back at the time. And Hakeem Jeffries was like, that's different. That's different. Do you get the sense that some Democrats are very glad that you and Congressman Khanna are picking this fight so that they probably wouldn't be so happy if you introduced a declaration of war? Congressmen, they might actually, I know it
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Congressman Thomas Massie
might put them in a tough spot. Look, I don't like to question the motives of my colleagues, but there are some Democrats who frankly would probably prefer this war if they had their president in the White House. And there are some Democrats who don't want to have to take this vote. And There are some Democrats, while I'm impugning their motives, who are just doing this to get in Trump's way. And I want to, you know, okay, now I'll take a pause and I won't return to impugning their motives. Maybe those were their motives. But I want to let you know, when we had the war in Libya or the attack in Libya, I wasn't in Congress at the time, but I was here for the 2013 vote on Syria, which never happened. Obama said that he would come to Congress and get authorization if we were going to have a full blown war in Syria. And what happened is there was no support among the American people. And when they tried to get a positive vote to authorize a war in Syria, they pulled the vote because it wasn't going to succeed. Now, he undertook some, you know, behind the scenes covert activities that weren't even known to Americans for quite a while. But I've been the same. Whether it', swheather, it's Syria. I wasn't here for the vote in Afghanistan and Iraq. But let me remind you, they did vote and they in a positive way. It wasn't one of these war powers resolutions. It was an aumf. And somebody came to the floor and said we should do this. And enough people agreed and they agreed in the Senate and that's how that happened. And so I just, you know, we do have some fair weather patriots and fair weather constitutionalists. I don't care how you get to the foot of the cross as long as you get there. If you're anti war today and we can succeed, then I welcome you to the cause.
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Podcast Host (Emily)
Well said. Now, Mike Johnson, speaker of the House, of course, has claimed this vote is dangerous, that your resolution would be dangerous. And it's a frightening prospect because his argument is that the Commander in Chief, President, United States needs to have this authority. So I guess my question then is what should presidential war power look like in this high tech age? It's not 1973 and distance is less meaningful. Do we need to change the War Powers Resolution to fit the spirit of the Constitution and Article 1 to begin with, Congressman?
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Congressman Thomas Massie
Well, let me unpack some of that. So Mike Johnson's arguments today sound like his arguments against the Epstein Files Transparency act that, you know, he said it would be too many.
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Podcast Host (Emily)
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Congressman Thomas Massie
Right, 702, you name it. But the coincidence here is that I teamed up with Ro Khanna on the Epstein Files Transparency act as well. I would love to see Mike Johnson make Those arguments about presidential power, if it weren't our party in power, it's just not going to happen. He would find a reason on that day to say that we need to follow the Constitution. As far as the War powers Resolution of 1973, it is fundamentally flawed because there's a Supreme Court decision that happened since then that calls into question whether you can, whether you can stop a war without the President's signature. So there are two. The War Powers Resolution says that you can either introduce a concurrent resolution between the House and the Senate or a joint resolution between the House and the Senate. One of them needs the President's signature, the other one does not. When they passed the 1973 War Powers Resolution, they envisioned that it could be a resolution of the type that I have introduced that only passes the House and the Senate, and then the President has to abide to it. It's not presented to him. But there was a Supreme court case in 1983, INS v. Chadha, that said you have to present everything to the President for it to be legally binding. And so it changed the structure of the War Powers Resolution. If we were to succeed using the path that I have taken, it would set up a very important constitutional question that may have to go to the courts. Whether the President would be able to veto it or whether he would have to be able to sign it or not.
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Podcast Host (Emily)
Even before I let you run, Congressman, I looked up the quote that I was thinking of from politics. Trump told them. This was the other night. Thomas Massie is now losing his election by 35 points. I wouldn't rely too much on him or any of them. We're having a big victory and we are taking the nuclear weapon concept away from Iran. Your response, Congressman?
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Congressman Thomas Massie
Well, I'm doing better in the polls than he said last time. Like he said, I was at 9% the last time he tweeted. Obviously, I'm not at 9% if I'm losing by 35, but I'm not losing by 35. In spite of having $5 million spent against me by the Republican Jewish Coalition and then another million dollars funneled by AIPAC to my opponents coffers, I'm still on top. I have the grassroots support in Kentucky. And it's ironic. It's not even ironic. It should just be apparent to everybody now that these donors, the Republican Jewish Coalition and aipac, they don't really represent Jewish people. They represent the military industrial complex and sort of banking and rich billionaires. And they are opposed to me for two reasons. It's not Because I voted against the big beautiful bill. It's because I pushed the Epstein files Transparency act through and threatened a lot of their friends, exposed a lot of their friends. I mean, these guys are even in the files themselves. And that's not an implication of guilt. I'm just saying they travel among these people in the Epstein files, the Epstein class, as Ro Khanna calls them, and I like to call it that as well. But they're also very much for war in the Middle East. And you know, I say that AIPAC isn't really even an Israeli lobby. It's a military industrial complex lobby. And the only people who are winning right now in this war with Iran, look, it's ignited the region. It hasn't brought stability, it's brought instability. You've got. What were nations that sort of get along with each other. You know, they're like, what the. What the hell, bro? You just blew up my refinery.
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Roger Stone
Right?
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Congressman Thomas Massie
Things are burning, ships are burning. People who were in commerce are no longer in commerce. And the only people that are benefiting from any of this are folks like Raytheon and Lockheed Martin and the people making those drones and the anti missile batteries.
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Podcast Host (Emily)
Thomas Massie of the great state of Kentucky, one of the good ones. Thank you so much for taking the time on a very busy day, sir.
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Congressman Thomas Massie
Thank you very much for having me on and for covering this very important topic.
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Podcast Host (Emily)
What the hell, bro? You just blew up my refinery. This is Thomas Massey's impression of the Gulf states in our interview today. Great to talk to Thomas Massey. I have a policy with, you know, as every journalist should with politicians that you're. You have to always be skeptical of people in positions of power. I've interviewed Thomas Massie going back almost 10 years at this point. And you could probably tell from that interview, I am pretty impressed with Massey's consistency across the board. He's obviously very polarizing and controversial to many people in Mega World right now who believe he's subjugating the party's interests to his pet causes. Maybe some people would say to his own interests. But you know, again, having. I think the first time I interviewed him was probably 2017. So having covered him for a while, this is his. These are all his sincerely held beliefs. And we are wildly out of step with the framer's intention for war powers. I don't care who is president of the United States. It's also become much, much easier to launch a war. And that's. I was glad to talk to him a little bit about that because it is true that it's different now than it was in 1973, than it was in the, in 1789, than it was in 1812, because obviously technology has shrunk the globe and made borders less and less or made distance, I should say less and less salient in this concept because you can fly drones, you can launch missiles, nuclear technology and the like. Interesting, interesting conversation with Congressman Massie. So glad to have him on the program. I want to talk now about this Texas Democratic Senate primary. If you have been watching the show, you know that I believe this is the most important primary in the country. The most important primary in the country, period. So going to get into that in just one second. First, a fresh start is possible. Debt can feel like it's getting worse every month, but that only continues if nothing changes. PDS Debt has already helped hundreds of thousands of people rewrite their financial story and take back control. And your turn can start right now. If you're struggling with credit cards, personal loans or medical bills, PDS debt creates personalized options to help get you out of debt. They're A plus rated by the Better Business Bureau, have thousands of five star Google reviews and hold a five star rating on trustpilot because their approach works. And the longer you wait, the more interest and fees pile up. If I needed this product, it is what I would use. So don't wait another month. Change your story in 30 seconds. Get your free personalized assessment and and the best option for you at PDS debt.com Emily that's PDS debt.com/Emily again PDS that.com/Emily check them out.
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Podcast Host (Emily)
All right, the Texas Democratic Senate primary is the most important in the country, I believe, because it pitted two fascinating experiments on the left against each other, different than what you're seeing in just about any other race. And it's not just relevant to the, to the left. Now that, you know, it looks like James Talrico is the nominee for the general election and he will be going up against either Ken Paxton or John Cornyn. This is a really, this is really a conversation about labels in general. So I'm going to focus on Jasmine Crockett and then I'm going to focus on James Tallarico, but just a little bit here at the top about what ended up happening in the race. So a Politico analysis last night actually found that Talarico was the recipient of more K Street money than Jasmine Crockett. This was interesting to me because Jasmine Crockett was running as a stylistic populist. If you, if you saw Jasmine Crockett on television, you might have thought that's the populist in this race because she was running on this aggression towards Donald Trump and I should say this anti norm, post Trump style, which is interesting. Democrats want someone who they feel can go toe to toe with Trump in the tick tock era. It's definitely a medium Jasmine Crockett uses more than other members. Or maybe it's a more viral success than other members, for better or worse. And they thought, well, interesting. I mean, Kamala Harris got behind Jasmine Crockett in the closing days of this race. There was some, some hope that Jasmine Crockett, who ended up losing by a pretty healthy margin. Let me pull up the final results. Obviously votes have been getting tallied all day, but right now, as of this very moment, we have most of the votes counted. So 98% of the votes counted. And Tall Rico is at 52.5%. Crockett is at 46.2%. That's a pretty healthy six point margin of defeat despite Kamala Harris stepping in to try and boost Jasmine Crockett. But she was, I mean, just openly campaigning as an influencer, basically. I think that's, that's probably a good way to explain the way Jasmine Crockett was campaigning. Now, policy wise, you could describe her as like a Kamala Harris Democrat. She's a pretty normal, establishment friendly Democrat, dare I say even corporate Democrat, which is interesting because she got less K Street cash than Talarico did. At the end of the day, she's been friendly to crypto and the like. And Talarico's really tried to walk away from some of that stuff in his own past. He took money from Marian Adelen for casino related issues. I'm going to talk about Kale's faith in Just one moment, but that tells you a little bit. So Crockett is running as the stylistic populist, but a substantive anti populist. Style and substance, there's an overlap. There's the middle of the Venn diagram. But, you know, style is substance, don't get me wrong. But in terms of her ideological persuasion, Jasmine Crockett was not running as like a Bernie aligned person, really. James Talarico has gone, tried to swerve pretty fully into the Bernie lane and is about to test a very interesting theory that I share with a lot of my friends on the left, which is you have a better chance if you look at the Ronald Reagan model. Ronald Reagan talked about bold colors, not pale pastels. This was in a speech he gave. I think it was at one of the early CPACs run on Bold colors, not pale pastels. And the meaning of that. It's basically Reagan who was seen as the symptom of a deeply sick quote, television based epistemology by Neil Postman, who was building a Marshall McLuhan and thought in the television era. Reagan was a symptom of our lowering standards when it comes to political life, that the print based epistemology lent itself to much more substance and thoughtfulness. So in that sense, Ronald Reagan as an actor had signified to Postman in the mid-1980s that we were just all about style now. But Reagan himself understood that on television, people were looking for someone they believed in. And that's where the political advice of bold colors, not pale pastels is really smart. You want people to believe that you believe what you're saying. Some people are masters of that, by the way, and they don't believe what they're saying. But if voters believe that you believe what you're saying, you're better off than trying to bullshit your way into some story about, well, maybe I walked this back or maybe I changed this. You should level voters say, I have a different position than many of you on this, and here's why I do. Or, you know, instead of trying to walk away from a position, just saying I'm making the argument for it affirmatively. Here's my argument for it. And this is where a lot of people on the left, that's, that's where I think Trump does very well in the 2016 Republican primary, despite the fact that some of his views were unpopular with Republican voters at the time. Some of them continue to be unpopular with Republican voters. People fundamentally trusted him. Many people fundamentally trusted him more than they trusted the others. Doesn't mean they would trust him babysitting or whatever, but it means that they trust that he believes what he says or more than the other candidates. So my friends on the left, my populist friends on the left have always believed that if people swerve fully into the Bernie Sanders lane, they'll be better off. Because if that's. If you're able to say, I have this consistent, coherent worldview and it's democratic socialism, it's basically left wing populism, here's what I believe in. It puts you in a position where you don't have to keep hedging and you don't have to suck up to dumb leadership and the like. So this is kind of going to test that theory, and I guess Talarico's victory over Crockett kind of tests that theory. But in him, you have this stylistic populist, someone who. Who swerved really into the Bernie Lane, but was, I'm sorry, the substantive populist, but who stylistically was like Biden, right? He was like, we just need to bring back norms and decency and civility and respect. So you pitted, you know, usually that's packaged with. Usually that kind of Bidenism is packaged with Crockett's politics, and usually Crockett's style is packaged with Talarico's politics. And so this was a very fascinating clash of all of these things meeting at the same time. And Talarico pretty comfortably came out ahead with a monster turnout, by the way, monster turnout in this race, like double turnout in other Democratic Senate primaries. So there's a lot happening here. Speaking of Crockett's stylistic populism, watch this clip of her. I mean, this. This puts it all together, like, exactly what we're explaining here. This puts it all together perfectly. This is the woman that Kamala Harris endorsed for President of the United States last night as the results were coming in, showing she pretty clearly lost to Talarico, pretty, pretty definitively. There wasn't a lot of debate about this.
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Podcast Host (Emily)
During her speech last night, which was not a concession speech, she went out and addressed voters and said the same thing. She said, hey, Listen, there's looks like cheating in Dallas County. She said something to the extent of Republicans are going to do what Republicans are going to do. Of course there's a Democratic primary, but that was Crockett's line. And within like 12 hours, we can put F10 up on the screen. She conceded. She said, this morning I called James and congratulated him on becoming the Senate nominee. Texas is primed to turn blue and we must remain united because this is bigger than any one person. This is about the future of all 30 million Texans and getting America back on track. With the primary behind us, Democrats was rally around our nominee and win. I'm committed to doing my part and will continue working to elect Democrats and down the ballot. Some consultant language there, pretty obviously, but this one went literally from being in the election was stolen territory to, oh, I'm behind James in like 12 hours. That is incredibly cynical behavior and I don't want to let that pass at all. Whoever is playing with people's trust in elections, I think we're going to see more and more of it. I think since, I mean, honestly, you could probably go back to 2000 and then to 2016 when Hillary Clinton herself was flirting with some really dangerous language. Then obviously, of course, to 2020. I still think Ben Sasse put it best at the time when he said that Trump and others, Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell, I don't know if he named them, but I would include them in. This had been, quote, playing with fire by how they talked about the election in 2020. Jasmine Crockett was doing all of that on election night, talking about how it looked like there was cheating and then flipped on a dime. So it's good that she flipped on a dime because there is no evidence of widespread cheating in the Texas Democratic Senate primary. And there wasn't when she said it. Is she so self involved to believe whatever maybe somebody told her and she trusted whoever told her? But she's a congresswoman. She is the candidate. It's a reckless thing to say without having significant evidence. So this isn't even to score a partisan. This isn't even for partisan score settling, I should say. This is like a bleak sign of the future, I think, that we're starting to see politicians play so casually with people's trust in literally like a primary. We're not even talking about a presidential election, but a Democratic Senate primary. So let's roll this compilation put together by Western lensman of Jasmine Crockett's changing vibe. Like her, her accent changing throughout her Political career. It's interesting and it gives you a glimpse again into the cynical political career of Jasmine Crockett.
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Podcast Host (Emily)
I don't know how many of them
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Podcast Host (Emily)
You're not. You're not. We done picking cotton? We are. That was about immigration, by the way. Enough to find a plantation.
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Podcast Host (Emily)
am authentic that, that we're done picking cotton line was about immigration. She was saying, we want Hispanics to pick cotton now. Just a gift to the Republican Party, of course, but also very, very cynical. And there's no way we were ever going to avoid the quote, television based epistemology Neil Postman wrote about. I mean, we're, we're so. We are careening down the slippery slope technologically and it, it changes our politics in ways that we haven't been well equipped to handle. I think Brett Weinstein and Heather Hyeing would call it hypernovelty. I think that's a great word for it actually, is that when the, when technology changes the environment around us so quickly that as human beings we can't adapt. But also you see that just downstream of evolutionary biology and politics, humans are having a hard time adapting. Human politics are having a hard time adapting to the TikTok based epistemology and which, which really is more the social media, the algorithmic social media. Algorithmic social media based epistemology which prizes extremism in one direction or the other. And maybe Talarico's win is something of a rebuke of that, or maybe it's just a sign that we're kind of in the middle. It's weird because I'm not a. In the cult of the movie idiocracy as so many other people are, but it is generally true that that movie was like deeply prescient. I mean, it has some incredibly funny moments too, but the idiocracy element of it is of the, of the social media based epistemology is just you're, you're rewarded if you say things that are extreme in one direction or the other. So I condemn this or I love this. And that's how you, you go viral. And so the more powerful virality is the more extreme you're going to see candidates being. I think Crockett was a good example of that. But it seems like Talarico has the confidence that people are more confident that Talarico would have a chance against Paxton or Cornyn, whoever ends up winning the the Senate primary. And for Texas Democrats who have been burned a couple of times, they've gotten pretty close, but they've also had a lot their hopes up pretty high. They want someone who they think is in a position to, to win statewide. And Crockett is pretty obviously not the best choice for that. So let's move on then to James Talarico. Can James Talarico win state statewide? He's now of course, a state representative down in Texas. And already, already Talarico's old social media posts clips that have been ping ponging around really ever since he went on Joe Rogan. You may remember Rogan said something to the effect of like, you should run for president. Rogan was very swayed, was, was moved by Talarico. Talarico. I'm, I'm excited to play some of these, some of these clips. We actually have a montage because this is the Democrats hope in the Texas Democratic. I'm sorry, in the Texas Senate race after the runoff, we'll know who the Republican nominee is in late May. So May 26th. I just want to start with a compilation of some of the things that Talarico himself has said on cultural issues. So none of this is about economics, which he basically tried to run on. What he was talking about is kind of the middle of the Venn diagram between culture and economics. He's trying to run on how this is a race about, not about left and right, but about top versus bottom, which was interesting against Crockett. He was very deferential to Crockett throughout the race was kind of an interesting campaign, but she didn't really go after him on a lot of this stuff. It really left a lot of this cultural stuff alone. But he was trying to say this is like an anti elite campaign. Well, he has just about every elite opinion conveniently for, as he was referred to in one headline, a theologian. He conveniently has just about every single elite opinion on culture war questions. Take a look at this.
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Congressman Thomas Massie
Our southern border should be like our front porch. There should be a giant welcome mat. I want to acknowledge that our trans community needs abortion care too. So when I use the word woman, it should not be understood as an exhaustive term, but rather as a, as a lens through which I couldn't even
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Podcast Host (Emily)
win in Brooklyn anymore.
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Congressman Thomas Massie
Examine and interrogate patriarchy similar to how we specify anti black racism. God is both masculine and feminine and everything in between. God is non binary. But I say all this in terms of, in context of abortion because before God comes over Mary and and we have the incarnation, God asks for Mary's consent.
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Podcast Host (Emily)
No.
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Congressman Thomas Massie
Which is remarkable. I mean go back and read this in, in, in Luke. So to me that is a, an affirmation in one of our most central stories that creation has to be done with consent.
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Podcast Host (Emily)
Okay. I was joking during the montage that he couldn't even win an election in Brooklyn anymore because that is such a cringe performance of millennial progressivism like peak millennial progressive buzzfeed era cultural politics from Talarico where he's, I mean I could watch him earnestly say God is non Bina. I earnestly deadpan about trans abortion rights and interrogating. What is interrogating the patriarchy. Again, that would have gotten you like an automatic A plus at Oberlin ten years ago. But now, I mean these are things he said like in the last five years now. It is so pathetic. I think we all understand that it, it comes from this very banal and uninteresting again, well, of conformist politics like conformist elite politics and Tall Rico's. You're not exactly elite. He is in seminary, clearly progressive, theologically progressive seminary. But it's not, I mean it's the politics of somebody who is trying to signal that they are with the good side, with the, the right side of history, with the honestly with elites over and over again on these cultural politics. And now he's trying to run a campaign about how this is about top versus bottom, not left versus right. John Cornyn and Ken Paxton are both far from perfect Republican candidates. So don't take this as me acting as though this is going to be a cakewalk for Republicans. I do not think that's the case. Nor do I think either Cornyn or Paxton are particularly good conservatives in their own right. They're, they're very like moral stand up conservatives. They're, they're very flawed politicians. Both of them are very flawed politicians. So I'm not saying anything to that degree. I'm just saying, you know, Dave Weigel of Semaphore pointed out Talarico handled in, in South Texas where he seems to have done very well. He handled the border a bit differently than immigration policy. Should be like a front porch Talarico. That version of Talarico, at least in that forum. And that performance maybe did. He was a little bit more careful about it. So I think he's a smart politician. I think his politics are fundamentally boring. Millennial progressivism that puts him on cultural issues much more in line with elites than, for example, working class Hispanics. Then I think a lot of suburban Texas voters are going to want to see. His line is going to be that we are being divided on the culture war by tech elites. That we are being divided on the culture war when in order to distract from the, like, robbery of robber barons. That's going to be how he tries to frame this. It's interesting. It's much better than anything Jasmine Crockett would have done. Interesting as it would have been. But it's. That's where he's going to have to fight against Cornyn or Paxton. And again, better than Jasmine Crockett. But when you are out there talking about trans abortion rights. Can we put the Tim Miller post up on the screen? I think we have it. I have it here too, in the box. Yeah. Okay, so let me put this up. This is Tim, who's of course been on the show. He posted all the magazine follow are our Team Talarico tweets from five years ago. We'll see what the impact is. It does reinforce my belief that the Dems would really benefit from finding an upstart in 2028 who emerged in 2022 and didn't really post during peak woke. Maybe in Texas. Maybe in Texas. But where I disagree with Tim, I mean, I think it's obviously true that if you're posting during peak woke, it was again, bland cringe. Millennial progressivism. If you're James Talarico's generation. Yes, I think that's true. I think it's harmful in statewide races. All of the above. I think if, if Joe Rogan had gone down that list with Talarico, he would have had a really hard time defending those positions to Joe Rogan's face. But I mean, like, look at this one. Look at this one. This is Talarico saying, I got the coolest action figure for Christmas. Thank you to all the healthcare superheroes working today. Let's help by getting backed and boosted. This is December 25, 2021. It's a fouchy action figure. Fun for the whole family. What little boy wouldn't want to wake up on Christmas morning to a Fauci action figure under his tree? So excited to have to post about it on social media. Nothing better. Here's March 3, 2021, James Talarico why I'm still wearing a mask, big grin on his face. The mask says love thy neighbor. Which is a wonderful message, of course, but again, March 3rd, 2021. Damn stalarigo. So obviously Republicans are going to have a field day with Tall Rico because he did post during peak woke. Yes, I think that's the case. But I also think one of the biggest problems for Democrats is that there is a not insignificant portion of the, of the electorate that, that actually does still demand things like trans abortion rights. It's not the average voter, but if you want to have a good relationship with the grassroots left. Talarico is trying to give the grassroots left what it wants to hear on foreign policy and on economic policy and, and hopefully just not have to talk about, you know, where does he stand on these things now? But you bet your ass John Cornyn and Ken Paxton are going to force him to talk about trans abortion rights. All, all of the, it's talking about the front porch being having a welcome mat on your front porch. They're going to, they're going to go hard in on that, especially in a state like Texas on Talarico. And he is going to then be between a rock and a hard place. Look at the trouble that Kat Abu Ghazali has had in Illinois when hardcore leftist voters who thought they had found a champion in Abu Ghazale, who was like blocking ICE vehicles and really rose to prominence as a candidate because of that, they found out she had a more normie establishment foreign policy and it's been a struggle for her. So when Talarico has to talk about some of this stuff and either disavow those extreme left cultural positions or embrace them, he will find himself between a rock and a hard place. And I, I would just say to people on the left not to dismiss how some of this is going to land with working class black and Hispanic voters. The notion for a long time was that on the left, you know, they had to use phrases like Latinx and they had to talk about intersectionality, which he literally did in that clip I just played. They had to do all of that because it's what black and Hispanic voters wanted. And then they kind of realized, well, no, I mean, we'll see. But there's been a kind of consensus that not really, that's probably not the, the best way to appeal to black and Hispanic voters. In fact, many of them actually reject it because they're Christians or because they are cultural conservatives. And this clocks to them as elite in the same way you know, cutting social programs, clocks to people as elite bullshit. They're like, this is what corporations were pushing. And so the line that tall Rico is going to argue about how it was. It's elites who are pushing the culture war is not exactly true. Because the way he's trying to say it is the elites are trying to divide us in favor of the billionaires and the culture war by pushing, forcing us to talk about these things. I'm sorry, but the left is the one that's forced every single one of these conversations. The right has responded. Don't get me wrong, the right has responded and there are lots of billionaires who love talking about culture war issues so that we are distracted from economic issues in those divisions. Don't get me wrong. I think that's absolutely true. But let's not act like the culture war wasn't pushed by people who were out there saying we need to care about trans abortions and give Fauci action figures and post about wonderful Fauci action figures. And just like again, down the line of him talking about. He's the one who started talking about Mary and consent incorrectly, by the way. That is not what Luke says. Unless you have. Unless you are trying to see it that way, like actively trying to see it that way and block out any of the evidence to the contrary. This is the Angel Gabriel in the Book of Luke. Do not be afraid, Mary. You have found favor with God. You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. Notice you will conceive and give birth to a son, not consent, as Tallarico is framing this, because Mary accepts that that is God asking for consent in the Book of Luke. I needn't go down this rabbit hole because frankly, it's so ridiculous. We see, actually, really, Baby John and Baby Jesus, Baby John the Baptist and Baby Jesus leaping for joy in the mother's wombs. We see them having lives when they are still in utero that are worth mentioning in scripture. So it's all silly, but it's, it's going to be fascinating to watch this race evolve. We will obviously continue to follow it. I've got Roger Stone coming up in just one moment and I'm excited to get to him. I'm going to jump back into the chat first, though. I've been planning ahead so I can responsibly enjoy a few drinks with friends after a long week or a long day. I've got my coarse light right here now, actually, it's the. Oh, it's the this is the old. The old school can, the old school bottles. I love those. 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Podcast Host (Emily)
All right, everyone, I'm going to bring in Roger Stone, the man myth, the legend, in just one moment. Want to set the table a little bit first? JFK files have been coming out since the Trump administration demanded transparency, induced this season of heightened transparency. Anna Paulina Luna, Republican in the House of Representatives, has been spearheading this and we are learning more JFK Facts. The substack tracks this very well. They even have an AI integration. Anna Paulina Luna and Jefferson Morley have had very helpful conversations. Jeff Morley runs JFK Facts. He is rigorous investigator in this space and has found some documents in the recent releases that are very much game changing. Again, he's somebody who's, who's followed this for a really long time. But Roger Stone has as well. Roger Stone says he had a conversation with Richard Nixon himself where Richard Nixon told Roger Stone that it was LBJ behind the Kennedy assassination. And this matters right now, as people are doing these excavations of Watergate history, of Kennedy history, and of what's happened to Donald Trump. Roger actually brings that up in our interview. So this is an interview I've wanted to do for a very long time. Roger Stone knew or knows Howard Hunt. If you haven't read Howard Hunt's memoir, it's called American Spy, it's one of those that's really hard to get. But his, like, Forrest Gump style life in the CIA and intelligence worlds, I think he actually even goes back to the oss, is fascinating. And Roger wrote the foreword to Hunt's son, St. John Hunt's memoir. And in that forward, Roger wrote before the elder Hunt passed away in 2007, he outlined to St. John the CIA's role. And St. John, by the way, in Hunt's memoir, he talks about St. John being part of unknowingly throwing like Watergate evidence into a river. So this is people who, who know a lot. So he writes the CIA's role in toppling governments. Hunt passed away. He outlined to St. John the CIA's role in toppling governments, plotting against Fidel Castro, confirming the involvement of CIA agents in a plot to kill jfk, and noted that Vice President Lyndon Johnson was, quote, running the show. So with all of that in mind, I really wanted to talk. For months we've been trying to make this work with Roger Stone. He's in a car for this interview. We might try to get him back on to have like a really long, big picture conversation. I'd love to do that at some point because of everything that he knows and he says has happened. But in the second Trump presidency, where we see so much, we see some parallels. There's clearly a fight happening within the intelligence community right now over JFK documents, over disclosures and other cases. The January 6th pipe bomb investigation, for example. Even Trump world was torn apart over some of this. So I wanted to bring in Roger and I hope you enjoyed this interview with him. Well, I'm very excited to be joined now by the man, the myth, the legend, Roger Stone. He's of course host of the Stone Zone, and he writes over at Stone Cold Truth on Substack. Roger, thank you for being here.
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Roger Stone
I am delighted and honored to be here.
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Podcast Host (Emily)
Well, there's so much going on that you have insight into right now in the world. And I wanted to start with JFK files. This is an interesting moment, very interesting moment because a lot of Kennedy files have been released. Not all researchers are in the process of pouring over them trying to figure out what's new, continue putting the pieces of the puzzle together. There's also something weird going on in pop culture. The Wall Street Journal just this week pointed out that Gen Z is obsessed with the Kennedys. They've got the Ryan Murphy series airing. We have historical analyses of Watergate with the new James Rosen book being reconsidered, and we're talking about regime change in Cuba again. So, Roger, let's start on a question about the Kennedy files. You knew many of people, many of the people in this case Richard Nixon, G. Gordon Liddy. I know you know St. John Hunt, who's the, the son of Howard Hunt. So, Roger, from the new information, you've always looked right at Lyndon Baines Johnson, of course, because you posted this very recently, just a couple weeks ago, you said Nixon told me who killed jfk. Nixon called the Warren Commission the biggest goddamn hoax in American history. Lyndon and I both wanted to be president. The difference was I wasn't willing to kill for it. The President muttered to me over martinis at his Saddle river home. Nixon knew the CIA, and we're both in on it. So with documents that have been recently released, do you feel they're vindicating what you've been writing about and speaking from your own experience about for the last several decades?
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Roger Stone
Yes, I think it's important to see the entire context. So what I am saying is that Lyndon Johnson as the Vice President, was at the helm of a plot that included the Central Intelligence Agency, that included organized crime, that included certain foreign and financial interests, that included Big Texas Oil, all of whom had their own individual reason to replace John F. Kennedy. No one's interest is more acute than Lyndon Johnson. He's under investigation in two massive corruption scandals. The Billy Asal Estes scandal. Billy Solestice was a flamboyant Texas wheeler Dealer and con man. Johnson has obtained multimillion dollar agricultural contracts for non existent properties for Estes, who is kicking back hundreds of thousands of dollars of Johnson and also the Bobby Baker scandal. Bobby Baker is the Sergeant of arms of the U.S. senate. He's Johnson's right hand man. And nothing in the US Senate moves without payoffs to Lyndon Baines Johnson through Bobby Baker. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Then the Attorney General had already begun telling people that Johnson would be prosecuted, that Johnson would be dropped from the 1964 ticket. So Johnson is a man staring into the abyss. Johnson has a number of allies. He knows that the that the Central Intelligence Agency blames Kennedy for the failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion. Although I think that argument is wrong. The original plan as presented to President Kennedy for the Bay of Pigs invasion included 29 Panamanian flagged bombers supposed to be flown out of Panama to provide air cover for the Cuban exile storming the beaches. The CIA cancels that air cover at the very last minute, but the invasion goes ahead. That allows the head of the Joint Chiefs and the head of the air force, Curtis LeMay to tell the President, well Mr. President, there's only one way to save the day. Send in the U.S. air Force. That of course might have led to World War three and Kennedy wisely refused. But that's, that is largely the CIA's motive for the murder of Kennedy. Oliver Stone, who's not related to me but who made a great movie, makes a case that Vietnam was also a factor. It was lesser factor, although there is some evidence that Kennedy was prepared to begin withdrawal from Vietnam. And of course we do know almost immediately upon becoming President, Johnson reverses those orders to begin returbing events. So I think that is also a factor.
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Podcast Host (Emily)
Oh, go ahead, Roger.
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Roger Stone
Organized crimes motive is very simple. They elected John Kennedy. They twisted arms for him in the Wisconsin primary. They twisted arms for him and engaged in voter intimidation in both Illinois and Texas. And in return they were supposed to get an agreement to end the deportation proceedings of Santo Trafficante and Carlos Marcelo to the most powerful gangsters of the day. So basically Robert Kennedy double crosses the mob and he goes after Sancho Trafficante and Carlos Marcelo. In fact, he successfully deports Marcelo to Guatemala since the documents of citizenship that that Marcelo is using show him as a Guatemalan resident. So I give huge credit, particularly to Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna. She's done an amazing job of forcing the Central Intelligence Agency to spit up the documents, many documents they've been hiding for years. If I have any criticism, the President ordered the National Archives to turn over all documents pertaining to the Kennedy assassination. Also the assassination of Robert Kennedy, Senator Robert Kennedy, also the assassination of Dr. King. However, not all of the necessary documents are in the hands of the National Archives. The CIA has held a number of those he documents back. Anna Paulina Luna has been relentless about getting those documents. And she's proven, for example, that the CIA has been telling us for over 50 years they had no prior knowledge of Oswald. They didn't know who he was, they didn't know what he was doing. They not only knew everything about him, but he had a handler and we now have that handler's records. So I think that I have been vindicated. I think that there was, I hate this word, a conspiracy to, to kill Kennedy. And I've named those who I think were deeply involved.
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Podcast Host (Emily)
Why do you think President Nixon did not. I mean, he actually kind of talked about this on one of the tapes. He said, I'm, you know, I get it, I get the, the dirty tricks, I think it's important. But he never, he never exposed it to anyone. I mean, he told you, but he didn't go public with it. And why do you think Donald Trump, Trump, who I know you're still in contact with, why doesn't he just go public with it? Why is the Trump CIA still stonewalling or attempting to.
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Roger Stone
Well, from the minute he was elected, Nixon sought to get the documents from the CIA. He sent John Ehrlichman, who was then his legal counsel to the CIA. And Richard Helms flatly refused to give President Nixon the documents that he believed would have proved that that the agency had been involved in the murder of Kennedy. There's a very specific Watergate era tape. Tucker Carlson played it in one of his last on Fox. I wrote about it very extensively in which President Nixon confronts the CIA Director Richard Elms in his office and he says to him flatly, look, I know who shot John. His exact words.
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Podcast Host (Emily)
Roger, I really wanted to ask you because you personally knew people who have knowledge of this and you certainly were around at the time. You yourself work for Richard Nixon. Bay of Pigs, Kennedy assassination, Watergate. There's the Howard Hunt element of all that. And again, I know you know Hunt's son, St. John Hunt. I know you know G. Gordon Liddy and as we're learning, or new G. Gordon Lydia, RIP but as we're learning more about Watergate and about everything that happened, how do you make sense of all three of those events, having, you know, some knowledge of that world?
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Roger Stone
Because I think these are all connected events. I think the, the, it's not incidental that 4 of the Watergate burglars are not only on the payroll of the CIA at the time of the break in, but those four men are on the ground in Dealey Plaza in 1963 when John Kennedy is killed. That's not a coincidence. I believe that there is a straight line from the murder of JFK to the silent coup under which Richard Nixon was out. Four of the Watergate burglars were still on the active payroll of the CIA, still reporting to their handlers. The Watergate special prosecutor knew this. They knew of the CIA's involvement, they said did nothing. The Senate Watergate Committee, including the Republicans, Senator Howard Baker, knew about the CIA's involvement, did nothing about it. So I think those who killed Kennedy also effectively removed Nixon. And now we have news that the deep state, specifically the Joint Chiefs, were actively spying on Nixon from the very beginning of his administration. Why? They didn't want to end the war in Vietnam. They didn't want a strategic arms limitation agreement with the Soviets. They did not want to open the door to China and play China off against Russia in order to get that arms agreement. And they knew that Nixon planned to restructure the national security apparatus in a way to take power away from the unelected deep strait referred to by Dwight Eisenhower as the, as the military industrial complex. They go a step further. These are the same forces who attempted to kill President Ronald Reagan in the first year of his term and a failed assassination. I believe they are the same forces who tried quite twice, perhaps now three times, to kill President Donald Trump. This is the deep state. They do operate, as Jack Smith's investigation shows us, extra outside the parameters of the law. So I think this is one history, one continued history. Not the same people, obviously, that. The same entities and the same network of those inside our military, inside our national security apparatus, inside the think tanks, inside the defense contractors. Those are the black hats of history, if you will.
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Podcast Host (Emily)
Well, and lastly, Roger, Donald Trump, as you said, was the target of an assassination attempt, and a very odd one at that, with some obvious parallels. Does that mean, you know, Chuck Schumer has his famous quote about if you mess with the intelligence agencies, they have seven ways back to Sunday to get. They have seven ways till Sunday to get back at you directed at Donald Trump. Does that mean that we should, you know, maybe expect full transparency by the end of the Trump second term? Because he doesn't have to be reelected and he has motivation to get everything out there. As someone who knows him. What do you think about that, Roger?
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Roger Stone
Look, I'm hopeful because we learned recently, for example, that the FBI, prior to the election was. Was surveilling a phone conversation between President Trump's campaign manager, Susie Wiles, and her attorney. That's spying on your opponent in a presidential election. Isn't that what they remove? Theoretically, at least. Now, in that same time period, the FBI contacted me to tell me that my email had been compromised. My email specifically with some of those in the Trump campaign, including Susie Wiles. But the FBI insisted to my lawyers that this hacking was done by the Iranians. How do we know that? How do we know that that hacking wasn't done by, well, the FBI themselves? So, yeah, yes. Look how long it's taken us to get answers about Lee Harvey Oswald and whether he was indeed the real shooter of John F. Kennedy, which I sincerely, based on my own book and my own research, doubt. I still don't think we know everything about Thomas Matthew Crooks. I'm not even sure he is the man who killed or tried to kill President Trump, who did unfortunately kill Corey Carpentore, the fireman who was unfortunately standing when the President shot at. I'm still not convinced that Brian Routh, the man who was convicted of the President in West Palm beach, is not a CIA operative. There's a lot of evidence to me, to me that would indicate that he
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Podcast Host (Emily)
is Roger Stone, the host of the Stone Zone, and with such interesting writings on this over at Stone Cold Trip Truth. Thank you for being so generous with your time this afternoon. I really appreciate it. All right. That was Roger Stone, the one and only. You can probably tell from that interview how eager I was to pick his brain. So maybe we'll go along with him at some point and can really, really go deep into the people he knows and hear his Nixon story. He's told it many times, but it's one that, you know, you hear it and you still have a lot of questions. You could hear it 10 times. You still have a lot of questions about why Richard Nixon was sipping a martini and telling young Roger Stone that he knew lbg, lbj, was the one who killed John F. Kennedy. The CIA elements to this are just essential. So very, very good to hear from Roger Stone. Before we wrap the show for the evening, I want to tell you about the case, the tragic case of Stephanie Nicole minter, who's a 41 year old mother killed at a bus stop in Northern Virginia on February 23rd. This is the People magazine article headline here. Mom was fatally stabbed allegedly by apparent stranger while waiting at Virginia bus stop. As the facts are emerging about what absolutely what actually happened there. Absolutely disgusting. So let me go to this wjla. This is a local ABC affiliate. Fairfax county is right outside of Washington, D.C. it is one of the wealthiest counties in the country. It is a very blue county. The headline from Nick Minock, who has been on this beat is emails show Fairfax police warned prosecutor about suspect in Hybla Valley killing. Now, Stephanie Minock was the mother of a son. She's survived by her grandmother, her mother brothers. She was at a bus stop in Northern Virginia and was stabbed to death by allegedly this man, Abdul Jalo, who's a native of Sierra Leone. He's a national of Sierra Leone. DHS says he was in the country illegally, that he came in 2012. And now Nick Minock has obtained emails showing quote, Fairfax county police warned the county's Commonwealth's attorney about the undocumented immigrant accused of of killing a woman at a H Valley bus stop. Email correspondent shows my did a FOIA request to the local government and found emails that quote, show the Fairfax County Police Department warning Fairfax County Commonwealth Attorney Steve Desano's office about Abdul Jalo, a Syria, a Sierra Leone national who DHS said is in the country illegally. He is now charged with murdering Stephanie Minter at that Fairfax county bus stop stop. Now the email said this was from a county police major to the county chief, Deputy Commonwealth's Attorney Jenna Sands, who said, I wanted to bring Mr. Jello's release to your attention because Mr. Jello is one of the repeat and violent offenders we discussed when we met. I wanted to get your background on why he is out so soon and ask if his prior suspended sentence of I believe five years was pursued by your office. Unfortunately, based on MTV stations numerous dealings with him, it is not a question of if but rather when he will maliciously wound or worse. Again, my role of keeping the public safe prompts me to follow up on his status. I cannot believe what that is like reading if you are the family or the loved ones of Stephanie Minter, we have a warning here in writing from the local police to the Deputy Commonwealth's attorney. It's in writing. A police chief or a police major saying it's not a question of if but rather when he will maliciously wound and then chillingly in parentheses or worse. Again, now Minot goes on to report this is insane. Quote, Jalot has more than 40 past charges in Fairfax county ranging from rape to assault. And in almost every case. Descano's office dropped the character. It's, it's. You couldn't write a story this damaging or this damning for the left's combination of immigration policies and criminal justice reform. Steve Discano is not a super well name like some other prosecutors have been. I want to put this one up on the screen. This is from Tim Carney, who is, is far from a fringe person. Tim is one of the best reporters in Washington. He is on the right, but Tim is just absolutely rigorous and he's been writing about Steve Discano because Tim lives in Northern Virginia for a long time. Descano is described by Tim as a, quote, george Soros funded commonwealth attorney for the suburban county of 1 million who has openly stated he won't enforce the law when it clashes with his ideology. The results have been ugly. Richard Cox was already a serial offender when he exposed himself in a women's locker room in Fairfax. But Descano let him go and he proceeded to expose himself in a high school girl's locker room. Abdul Jalot was arrested more than 30 times, including for malicious wounding, but was repeatedly set free. He is now accused of stabbing Stephanie Minter to death. On February 23rd, Gret Glier was executed in his bed in a calculated assassination. Descano let the killer go with an insanity plea and a Chinese pimp. Tim continues ran a brothel in a residential neighborhood across the street from a school bus stop while police did everything they could to shut it down. Descano's office dropped the prostitution charges and let the place continue operating until the Republican attorney general got it shuttered. People who live in these communities, deep blue communities, I'm talking about Democrats, who live in these communities, feel utterly helpless because all of the money was, and all of the money and the momentum consequently was with these Soros type prosecutors who are criminal justice reformers, but of a very particular persuasion on the left. They're far left criminal justice reformers. And these experiments have played out in many communities around the country over the last 10 years. Years and voters, including Democratic voters in places like San Francisco, have rejected them. People like Larry Krasner have hung on amidst recall elections, to be sure, but that's a great example of another place where people just feel utterly helpless because of where the money has lined up on criminal justice reform in Democratic races. I mean, in these places where it's blue, you're not going to be able to get a Republican criminal or Republican prosecutor elected. So your choice is a far left Democrat who is so far left they're able to attract soros funding and attention from those big ideological donors or a moderate who is probably not even on the radar of a lot of people because again we are talking about county level prosecutors. Soros is the one who again for his ideological goals, you can give him some credit for this, pioneered the model of being a billionaire with a non profit that's going to suddenly focus on tons of energy on these local prosecutor racists. And that's where again people in these areas who are even, not even Republicans, I mean there are Republicans and not insignificant numbers and even blue cities, but people just feel helpless. It's like the stuff is happening despite logic and despite the politics. It's like people feel they can't do anything about it. So the case of Stephanie Minter, you a man who's been arrested 30 times, he has no permanent address, sounds like he was homeless and he was preying on other homeless people. They say a lot of times they couldn't find witnesses to corroborate and bring evidence. When you have 30 cases of arrest on charges ranging from rape to VI to other violence and this guy is out on the streets, you have a warning from the police. A warning from the police and he's out on the streets to the point where he stabs someone. Just completely ridiculous. Finally, this is a new video from Nick Minoc who was trying to ask the Virginia Lieutenant Governor about the case. Here's what happened.
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Congressman Thomas Massie
About the case. I'm Nick Minak with seven News. Just want to get your reaction to the murder of a woman in Fairfax county at the hands of allegedly an illegal immigrant. What is your reaction?
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Podcast Host (Emily)
Gets handled by the bodyguard.
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Congressman Thomas Massie
Lieutenant Governor, what's your reaction to this murder in Fairfax County? No response.
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Podcast Host (Emily)
That was just three hours ago. Go. Proper response of course would be it's a horrible case. I'm so sorry, that was a little bit too much at the moment for Lieutenant Governor Kasala Hashmi. Again I trying not to be depressing and bleak but it does feel like these cases just keep happening and just keep happening and happening. A reminder that 100% of crime committed by people who should not be in this country, let alone on the streets. I mean we have seen cases of native born Americans, not even Sierra Leone Nationals who have had rap sheets like this who are allowed to victimize other Americans on the streets. Not right in either case, but 100% of crime committed by non citizens is preventable. Insane that you have a non citizen with a rap sheet like that who is on the streets. Virginia Democrats are going to have to answer for this one. This case is really starting to get traction. I was worried when I first saw it that it would be just another drop in the bucket, but it's not. Stephanie Minter is not just a statistic and it's it's time to wake up. Time to wake up. All right, I'll leave it there for tonight. I could keep going on as you know, but appreciate everybody tuning in. Please do us a favor and subscribe. You have like 2024 hours roughly to get an email in for this week's happy hour over@emilyevilmakeremedia.com I usually record those on Thursday afternoon, so I will look forward to reading your comments and your questions over there tomorrow. The episode will drop Friday around 5pm make sure to subscribe on your podcast feed if you want to see that. Thanks so much for tuning in. We will be back here with more after party on Monday.
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Congressman Thomas Massie
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