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After Party with Emily Jashinsky
“Happy Hour”: The Epstein Emails, Death of Monoculture, PLUS “After Party’s” Next Move: Emily Answers YOUR Questions
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On this week’s edition of “Happy Hour,” Emily Jashinsky answers several thought-provoking questions about politics and life. She opens the show with a question about politicians and if they should moderate their positions to be successful. She also takes a number of questions about immigration, including if Trump actually ended Senator James Lankford’s immigration bill, American crime levels, the erosion of civil liberties, and virtue signaling amidst the protests. Emily also addresses the Epstein emails and irresponsible reporting on them. Emily discusses Bad Bunny’s controversial Super Bowl halftime show, thoughts on Puerto Rico, and when monoculture ended. She also offers some career advice to a young listener and explains how to successfully network and offers thoughts on overworking. Emily responds to some less serious questions about her favorite foods, if she’d like a private jet or private yacht, why she enjoys having her friends on the show, and if she’s make a Spotify li...
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Welcome to after party everyone this is of course our special edition of after party happy hour that drops every friday right around five pm and it's audio only which you know i love it's my opportunity to answer your questions that you send in to the inbox at emilyevilmaycare media dot com that is actually my real email and most of you know it because i've been going back and forth with you for a while now and i have so many emails this week and last week was like the longest ever episode of happy hour so i'm gonna try to keep my answers a little bit briefer this time but who knows if i will actually be capable of achieving that i'm not optimistic at this point because i you know when you're when you're just talking into a microphone it's only you i'm here in my office it's easy to get lost in your thoughts lost in the sauce so all right let's go all the way back to the beginning also some of these questions come from instagram as well the after party instagram make sure that you follow the account you subscribe subscribe on youtube if you haven't subscribed on youtube that helps us so much and of course subscribe wherever you get your podcast but you probably already do since you're here right now all right first question is from chris he says i am very curious to hear your thoughts on a trend i am seeing among democratic candidates around the country i am seeing moderates gaining traction especially in big trump districts i just finished reading up on the tejano singer bobby pulido he is very right coded running in a republican district on a moderate platform i'm curious to hear your thoughts on whether you think democrats will find more success moderating in this upcoming midterm or democratic do you think democrats should try to align themselves with more progressive ideas i understand the strategy will differ by district but based on national trends what do you think has the best chance of gaining traction also do you feel like republican candidates should do the same are we about to enter into a centrist era or have i been listening to too much realignment i'm a big fan of all you do keep up the great work this is a really really good question chris and by the way i should mention i am looking at all these questions live i just flag them in my inbox when they come in and so i think that's way more entertaining and it means that i can't filter anything out as you' probably noticed the last few weeks get questions about absolutely everything all good though happy to talk about anything chris's question is excellent i think it is the big big question in let's say mass media electoral politics high tech electoral politics that sounds a little crazy but it's totally let me explain a bit it's i think it's totally the same question for republicans and democrats and it just becomes difficult to define what centrism or moderation is and chris if you're a realignment listener you probably know that i mean there's this conversation about is abundance moderate is it conservative right the ezra klein derek thompson book that basically said let's hey let's slash regulations well you know who had a conversation with i think it was derek zoran mamdani and you know who has made a big deal of slashing some regulations zoran mamdani now of course i wouldn't expect the mamdani administration to be slashing regulations all over the place but the question of efficiency i mean it's sort of right coded but does that make it conservative if it's for progressive ends i mean these questions are pretty interesting but i think what it comes down to is that it's the word of the decade authenticity and it's becoming so cringy to say that in politics and in media but i mean it in the sense that people want to believe that you believe what you're saying and i think this is really really true of politicians like one of my pet theories which everyone will like laugh me out of a room for saying and it's probably not universally true but it's that one of the reasons republicans struggle on abortion is that they waffle all of the time and they're in favor of exceptions for rape and incest which of course is a very common position among the american population but i think it gives people pause when they really consider the issue because they're like well you're saying this takes a life and so are you saying it's okay to take a life because of the circumstances around its conception so you're saying it's a life but you're saying it's okay to snuff out this life because it came to earth in one way or another and basically all i'm trying to say is that looks to a lot of people like it's dishonest and i think it's very hard to be persuasive when you are making these concessions like persuasive on the core fundamental issue when you're making concessions like that because it makes people think do you really believe what you're saying and so i think a better tack for a lot of politicians is to say what they believe and then to say but that's not feasible in this country and so i'm not going to make it a huge part of my agenda i want you to have a healthy happy family and i want you to be able to pay your bills and have a reasonable just healthcare system and this is why i'm not a political consultant but to chris's question i don't know what it means is graham platner or dan osborne here's a good example dan osborne running as an independent in nebraska with help definitely from democrats and i think dan osborne is the most interesting candidate in the country more interesting than graham plattner though they're both very interesting is maga more conservative because maga is fairly moderate for republicans on abortion is you know is it maga to like josh hawley for example went out to the the picket lines now most of maga hates that i think it was teamsters i think most of maga does hate that but a lot of maga voters like it so now that there has been this realignment is doesn't i don't know what moderate or centrist is because i don't know if it's moderate for a republican to be maga on labor or on entitlements i don't know if you could consider that like some people would say it's maga progressivism but i don't know if it's progressive or centrism so what i'm trying to say basically in response to this question is i think the successful candidates are not necessarily going to be like quote unquote moderates in the vein of alyssa slotkin i think that's what third way and a lot of the dem groups think is about to happen i i just believe it's going to be a combination of like a john ossoff or a dan osborne maybe a graham platner if he can get you know far i don't i feel like susan collins kind of has a lock on that state but we'll see i think that the successful democrats of the future are going to be and mamdani another good example are we calling him centrist because he agrees with some of the abundance agenda are we calling someone moderate because they believe what some of the far left does on labor these are like everything is scrambled right now and i just think the big principle going forward is do you stand against concentrated power and do you really believe that you're against concentrated power and you might have policy prescriptions in one direction or the other you know maybe you can make the the rubio case for this venezuela operation but you do it or advance actually but you do it through this lens of well the the power is actually in the hands of our enemies and we're defeating that i am i'm rambling right now chris but this is really actually how i think of the issue is that like what people want to hear that you are not a part of what they feel like is a broken system and successful politicians are going to be able to believably persuade voters that they stand against the broken system and so i'm just saying that's where i think you're seeing the particular explanations about venezuela and cuba coming from the administration now it's very interesting and you're seeing it on the left too even from quote unquote moderate centrists like alissa slotkin so i'm trying to be brief but it's just it's clearly just not going to happen i just love love that question i think it's one of the most interesting ones out there here we go this is a question about career advice from josh he says what should i be doing as a twenty four year old to end up where you are don't end up where i am josh says you mentioned you talk to young people or students often i don't know what kind of students but i've met incredibly driven people in undergrad who are straight up built different they're formal unrelatable and very impressive sounds like a lot of your early career experiences were guided by a mix of intuition belief and opportunity with the economy making unpaid internships competitive even for grad students how do you get ahead head while maintaining your curiosity and who you are thanks for the question josh you just have to be who you are of course that's it's the one thing that i don't know i feel like sometimes in school people get trained out of but if you want to be in media you know you just you can only bs for too long unless you want a career in like legacy media then you can bs your way all the way to the top that's becoming you know a dying business and people want you to be able to react you know contemporaneously in the moment on a livestream or whatever it is to breaking news to world events and you know you can't you can't act that for a long time and have it be matched by your presence on every social media platform and live streams and those sorts of things you just got to be who you are otherwise it'll be picked up on very very quickly and i think that's a good thing by the way just working really hard i don't you know the best advice that i have to people is to come to dc particularly to dc if you want to be in political media or in politics at all come to dc and be totally genuine be yourself don't ever um you know be looking over people's shoulders at parties happy hours to see who else is coming in and who else you can talk to who else you can introduce yourself to i know that's tempting for a lot of non introverts like me like most people i feel like are extroverts and they're constantly looking over other people's shoulders to try and figure out who's the next link that could maybe get them higher up on the ladder get them up that next rung and you know that i think burns people out pretty quickly first of all but secondly you don't make good deep connections so in terms of like networking i just stress quality over quantity quality over quantity like if you want to follow up coffee with someone you need to actually want to talk to them you actually want to learn from them hear from them so that you don't look like you're faking it when you're in coffees like oh oh okay but what you really wanted was them to give you the email address of three other people or five other people no do the ones that you're actually interested in you might actually be friends with the person make genuine connections and be genuinely useful it's a big part of it is just building up trust i think this is true across the board whatever if you're earlier in your career you need to build up trust you need to be the type of person who is trustworthy and has a lot of banked good faith with people who are higher up and you don't do that by like sucking up and faking it but you just genuine have a good sense of humor and work really hard you know telling people to work hard is kind of funny for me because i actually do genuinely believe that america contra a lot of conservatives has an overworking problem i think society in general has an overworking problem microsoft did such an interesting survey recently and i don't have the exact results off the top of my head but it was just looking at how much time we spend on email and work outside of working hours and how rapidly that's increased so it reminds me a lot of how mary harrington wrote about she has a great book called feminism against progress she wrote about how we even see feminism in this like post industrial world in the way that we do like because now people work outside of the home and for a lot of people over the course of human history that wasn't there wasn't an outside of the home to work you had your land or your family and your job was to protect that be a part of the tribe be a part of the community and all of that and this idea that you know the dad goes off to work he's don draper and then you've got betty draper staying at home and she needs to be liberated by that by going and doing what peggy does at the at the ad firm that's not i mean that's just like a new thing and so i think we have a lot of i think actually in america we're just really bad about thinking about these things and so this is totally off topic but i do i tell people to work hard but it's in the context of i think us generally being overworked yes there are a lot of lazy people out there but the cultural the dominant cultural trend i think is towards overworking or thinking incorrectly about work covid did some of that but anyway work hard you can't expect to slack off you have to work harder than everybody else else and you don't necessarily have to be competitive about it but yeah it's you you just have to show that you can be trusted and a lot of that is saying that you're going to show up when it's not easy so good question josh but i would say yeah just like really really if you're talking about journalism in particular nobody cares about your opinion until you prove why they should care about your opinion and that means you have to become an expert in something maybe you're an expert in journalism maybe you're an expert in you know a language maybe you're an expert in being a twenty two year old who's trying to make it in the working world write about that report about that learn about that read everything about that interview people about that go to this place that you want to talk about and cover but yeah it's it's you really really really got to do other stuff before you go into opinion and be really artful whether it's in speaking or writing i do talk to a lot of students so i have a lot of thoughts on that i'll cut myself out of here though eddie says oh this is a great question did trump really tell the gop to pull the so called bipartisan immigration bill that story always seemed too pat to me my conspiracy theory is mcconnell knew it was doa and got a twofer with getting to blame it on trump i don't remember trump ever once even referring to it publicly good or bad love these fridays and the quick wisdom you snap off thanks eddie i love this question it sounds like something rachel bovard wrot it's i think your conspiracy theory is pretty close to accurate it's continues to defy anybody's understanding of why james lankford would have even worked on this quote unquote bipartisan immigration compromise bill what was that twenty twenty three it was towards the end of the biden administration senate republicans clearly i think inspired by leadership are clearly nudged by mitch mcconnell who was senate majority leader at the time to or just getting off of his time as senate majority leader was prodding them to engage in these negotiations with democrats that produce a truly insane bill would it maybe have been better than the status quo during the biden administration sure maybe because it was so bad but as the conservatives were saying this doesn't need a bill joe biden did everything by executive action it can be or even just administrative procedure it could be reversed literally right away without a bill he created this situation and you are now asking us to quote unquote compromise to fix the situation this gets me very fired up as you can tell it is so ridiculous there was a report at the time that trump said if i'm remembering correctly at a closed door fundraiser that people shouldn't vote for the bill because it'll hurt the election chances my memory of that is it was just a report it wasn't trump publicly speaking about it but i promise you i reported this out at the time and was talking to different senate offices that bill was to use eddie's word doa it was going nowhere there wasn't a chance in hell senate republicans were going to compromise in enough numbers with democrats to pass that piece of legislation it was it was over with it was poison pilled by dems it would have it had huge caps it had huge exceptions that the president could take advantage of administratively and continue letting tons and tons of people into the country so it had absolutely nothing to do with the election donald trump may have made an offhanded remark mark about that it wouldn't have surprised me at all but whether or not he told senate republicans to vote against it senate republicans were going to vote against it so great question great question hank asks do you have lexisnexis either at home or at work if so do you know what version what it costs i don't have lexisnexis a lot of journalists do and it is really helpful i've used it at different points in my career i think one of the newsrooms i worked in had it and i think i tried to get it at another one but it was so absurdly expensive for a small organization that i worked worked at it just wasn't didn't make any sense so lexisnexis is great but no i don't have it unfortunately this is from james who says i know the nerds wear you out with lord of the rings questions and such but i'm here to make a case for you to read dune do you like politics do you like religion do you like philosophy then do i have some books for you this is wow this is a really strong recommendation for dune james says it has a big ass worm so it's got that going for it love what you're doing and keep it up but james also wrote the story is amazingly applicable to our time as about the blending of political power and manipulation of religion and more yeah that's another one my boyfriend loved that there's about a zero percent chance of me reading i have a really really really really really hard time reading novels period just because my like i'm i'm just always kind of on work mode and so it's hard for me to pause that i love reading nonfiction so even just to get me to read a novel is hard idea that i was going that i would you know get into a big novel like dune that is i don't know if you consider it science fiction or fantasy some maybe some combination i just it's it's too hard the odds are low i find them books like that to be very male coded and i think they're now that doesn't mean some women don't enjoy them they do i know they do but that's already a knock against the it feels to me like one of those books that's really written for the male brain okay jim has a response to another response from last week's episode of happy hour it looks like he says katie wrote it and compared to death of a citizen caused by an illegal alien and a death caused by an ice agent here's where the leftist mindset always gets it wrong they do not compare the correct parts of each circumstance in the case of a civilian getting murdered by an illegal alien as a result of a crime against that civilian the civilian did not likely put themselves in harm's way and in fact expects our civilization the usa to do its part in law enforcement to keep our society as safe as possible by arresting violent criminals to keep them off the streets i think this is in reference to a comparison that katie made if i'm remembering correctly between lake and riley and alex preddy or renee good jim goes on to say whereas in the case of the preddy and good case the two who are dead specifically put themselves in harm's way they had a choice to not be there if they weren't they would not have gotten into a situation to be shot they're not the same the leftist mind only goes to a person is dead in sit a person is dead in situation b therefore they must be they must both be a crime by the party of force your answer skirted this but didn't quite get to this reasoning i'm going to send another email about a happy hour hopefully you can give me a reply to that one watch for it oh jim's from waukesha county awesome hey jim now i will say they are not apples to apples i agree with that i don't think that a somebody who is not violating the law this is a question of justified use of force right in the pretty and good cases and i don't think a citizen who is acting unwisely but not breaking the law necessarily categorically deserves to be shot by federal law enforcement now i know that's in question in the pretty and good cases was renee good breaking the law with the car impeding federal officers so that's a sort of different conversation but just to zero in on the lake and riley point all crime committed by non citizens is preventable all crime prevented create committed by non citizens is preventable we have plenty of problems with american citizens preventing crime whether or not the crime rate is higher or lower among non citizens or doesn't matter you're still bringing in additional crime and that is something that has to reasonably be weighed if you can keep crime levels you know to the point where you don't have american citizens getting hurt over and over again and society of course as well with emergency hospital spending medicaid spending spending on children and we have just completely prevented ourselves from even having that conversation but yes i think it's important to just all crime committed by non citizens is preventable it did not have to happen did not have to happen and that's an important part of the conversation that just it drives me crazy how little the media focuses on it it's just it's maddening we talked to lionel shriver about that on this week's show let's see casey says hamley love your show i first time saw you on breaking points and out of the four hosts you're the one that i most aligned with i'm so happy i found your show you should do a little bit more self promoting on breaking points i only found your show because ryan mentioned how hard of a work you were and how you would get up very early to your show their show writing whatever else you do in your busy day ryan's actually even i think ryan's probably even a harder worker he always say that what he does he always says what he does beats work because he loves it but he's also a bunch of kids and a wife and manages to run drop site and do breaking points so he is pretty impressive casey says my question is how do you think the republican party would react if trump decided that he wanted to run for a third term in this situation i imagine he would find some questionably legal loophole to try to run again do you think the party would stand with him or turn on him and say he is declining mentally or challenge his legal claim to run i imagine every day he gets close to the last day of his presidency his power wanes more and more but if he wants to run again like he is joke and like israel would like him too we may see him try to stay captain of the ship thank you for your time i didn't know that there if there isn't a israel angle to that i didn't know it i would think that they would have an even more compliant potential candidate i mean ted cruz barely breaks with netanyahu ever and is clearly seriously thinking about running with running for president so i don't even know that they would necessarily want a trump third term unless they just you know kind of have come to know what to expect netanyahu and likud but this is a fascinating question i haven't thought about how the republican party itself would react i thought about how the public would react but how would the party react maybe a lot like twenty twenty four where you know even part of maga starts rallying around future maga right and says it's time to get behind the future and get behind ron desantis i could see something like that happening and then you have you know your hardcore bannon types staying and coalescing around this loophole saying this is only a modern standard right this is just post fdr that you can't serve more terms so this loophole is perfectly fine and because we're so polarized and because you know a lot of other republicans are just not trusted by voters i think it would look a lot like trump versus desantis with maybe a little bit more juice in the desantis or whomever takes that place in their camp going forward super interesting question kasey let's see matthew asked do you think bad bunny is actually one of the least divisive options available in our post monocultural world who else besides maybe taylor swift would appeal to ninety percent of americans or even fifty percent maybe even core american institutions like football will have to start catering to niche audiences in order to stay profitable and these are such good emails matthew what a smart point that is probably true and i think actually you just said what i was trying to say like i was groping at that point but i couldn't put it into words i think that's totally true and bad bunny is enormously popular enormously popular i could see maybe somebody who bridges generational divides or doing a show that bridges generational divides like like lady gaga is pretty obviously one of those types of figures she already did a halftime show i think like a full halftime show beyonce there are some people that are popular with younger audiences middle aged audiences and probably even with with some older audiences like there are probably some figures from when monoculture still had legs that everyone everyone recognizes but yeah that's an interesting interesting question i mean doesn't even matter that bad bunny is so popular when being popular is not the same as it was when the beatles were popular it doesn't have the same kind of umbrella quality of covering you know most of the sort of listening public man super good question and i do think that's true by the way and the nfl is an interesting example because it's a monopoly so they're able to get away with political stuff that a lot of its audience doesn't like because they're their stock so i don't know i mean i think i think your instinct is is correct on this i'm trying to think of a good example i wrote a story in i want to say twenty eighteen about billie eilish and it actually was on drudge report after it published it was in federalist and i was trying to make sense of some of the numbers because it just struck me that billie eilish was one of the top artists and my sense was that like a ton of the country had not heard of billie eilish and that's prob still true and i was thinking back to like britney spears i was like that is just not it wasn't like everybody's parents knew about britney spears and now a lot of parents obviously know about billie eilish and chapel roan but i still think it's not the same like i would love to look at a survey of name recognition in nineteen ninety eight of billboard top ten versus now that would be a super super interesting experiment great question here's a question from eileen who says i love your show always feel a little smarter after listening to a podcast thank you how do we as republicans get our voters out to the polls for every election we seem hindered by the fact that our voters tend to stay home for elections local and special ones how do we get our voters out for each election to go and vote rather than staying home do you think that initiatives like what charlie kirk did will pay off in the future and get the up and coming republican voter out to the polls for every election big or small would love your take thanks for being amazing thanks for that question eileen first i should say qualify this by saying i don't think of myself as a republican i think of myself as a conservative and i just somebody who has you know it's probably true that the republican party is the best vehicle for conservative values and ideas but it's such a broken system that you know a lot of times i don't find it's people will disagree with me i don't i don't always find that it's worth voting but i do you know sometimes go out and vote in dc i voted for democrats who for example are like pro school choice because you know but even that's a controversial decision but it's better than the alternative and it's really the only option so that's how i thought about it in the past now in terms of voter turnout there's a great piece in vox after twenty twenty four which where a a very preeminent political data analyst looked at voter turnout and said actually now republican voters are the low turnout voters they're the low energy voters low propensity is the political science term for it and that used to be totally different and what that means is if turnout had been higher in twenty twenty four trump would have won by a bigger margin according to these con these calculations so so interesting i think republicans have a real problem with now having voters trust elections and voters be excited about republican party about the republican party now republican voters are more excited about the republican party than democrats are right now if you look at polling last i checked but even if you have a core group that's not turning out that could be turning out that's a problem that's a real problem in certain states in certain places like that i think it's particularly a problem among less affluent voters who are just already so distrustful of the system and aren't even going to come out when it's not trump on the ballot or going to be like to get them to turn out when trump is not on the ballot is going to be really really hard i assume that's what scott pressler and other folks are doing it's not one of the beats that i pay closest attention to but yeah i mean i would think you have to be really serious about those like non college graduate lower income like lower middle class rust belt trump voters getting them excited about other republicans that is one of the biggest challenges so that would be my answer to that question jesse says i actually enjoyed the bad bunny halftime so i listened to punk music so i'm used to baby boomers griping about not being able to understand lyrics that said it struck me that much of the imagery from the performance played the stereotypes of latino culture that loom large in the fantasies of white liberals it seemed like it was intended to conjure visions of ice raiding neighborhood bodegas and nail salons is kindly a boil as cook in the kitchen i work providing services in poor and ethnically diverse communities i can tell you firsthand that the average white savior is very disappointed to disc that humans are complicated people can't be reduced to stereotypical mascots straight from a hollywood film maybe i'm overly analyzing this again i say this as someone who enjoyed the performance thoughts that's a really interesting point too i mean again i just want to say i thought i saw ben shapiro say this too i thought the production was fabulous like one of the most well produced halftime shows i've ever seen it was whimsical the pace was great it was visually just beautiful it did a really good job and had a sort of folksy vibe to it i wonder how some conservative latinos reacted to the bad bunny show i mean people again people love bad bunny but to jesse's point you know there are a lot of conservative hispanics in the united states who are horrified by the prospects of encroaching socialism and who support deportations and who see people coming in the wrong way and get infuriated by it there are people who don't want dems to get an itch in places like puerto rico because they know that's the type of thing that would prevent a republican from being elected so yeah that's that is a very interesting question that is a very interesting question it's also i had another thought which was when you're talking about colonization and puerto rican culture like i just don't if you're anti colonization pro puerto rican culture it doesn't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive or self contradictory you know you can say you love puerto rican culture but you wish that colonization had never happened on the island i suppose you can make that argument i think it's maybe a little difficult to make but puerto rican culture is like a lot of aspects of broader american culture beautiful because of what's blended in it and that is a bit i do think that's a bit frustrating from the perspective of like the halftime show i actually do i love puerto rico it's you know i'm just like a your your average white tourist in puerto rico though i've been a few times i just i love old san juan i love the architecture i love the food it's i love the music it's so it is really so beautiful but part of what makes it beautiful is that it's spanish plus american plus indigenous puerto rican in a way that is so so cool and historically fascinating and so to be anti colonial in that aspect while also embracing the language of colonization which is beautiful by the way it's absolutely beautiful language there's something interesting about that too i'd have to think more about it let's see let's see we've got one here from richard who says when i left minneapolis after the twenty twenty summer of love i ended up in las cruces new mexico something interesting i noticed while riding highway highway seventy through the white sands missile range is the army's high energy laser systems test facility maybe that has something to do with the closure of the elp airport so that's the el paso airport there's actually a lot of interesting military installations around here saying we should check into that very interesting very very interesting i'm really trying to get to bottomless like sagar is all over that story if you watch breaking points he's all over that so yeah i think there's something something interesting going on there john says do you have any plans to have any guests deep dive into the epstein files i'm having a hard time understanding the factual basis where the child trafficking blackmail operation is rooted i was watching breaking points today and saga reacted to a clip by saying something lines of there you go ten year olds that puts to rest this thing about them being teenagers but does it based on one mention some guests on piers morgan was talking with such conviction about the thousands of little boys and girls trafficked and most of the panel not along like it was common knowledge is it have i been bamboozled by people like mike benz and matt taibbi who cautioned not to get swept up in another rush gate who seemed to think the international dirty dealing is the real story with something as salacious and conspiracy riddled as this i haven't gone too far afield in research i've stayed with the sources i trust and you're one of them i'm hoping you can set me straight in a future episode this is great this is a great question i had an idea to do an episode fully on epstein with ryan ryan grimm based on his robust drop site reporting on the international dirty dealings and i think we might be doing something big on breaking points in the future we'll see like comprehensive but i personally i don't know i don't know what reference a ten year old sagar was looking at specifically there i have seen some people go over the top with like are there tons of mentions of pizza in the epstein files yes i looked through a ton of them a lot of them are like pretty clearly literally about going to pizza restaurants or bringing pizzas in and all of that there are a couple of mentions of pizza and grape soda i want to say it's like two people who individually referenced that separately reference that i think there are a couple of them from that doctor harry fish who i think was epstein's urologist so weird and in very weird bizarre mentions there is a picture again if i'm remembering correctly from harry fish of him eating pizza and grape soda that he sent to epstein so i don't know what to make of all of that i do think some of the moral panic is ridiculous i kind of hate to say that i agree with michael tracy on noam chomsky although i think some of chomsky's defenders are downplaying exactly how bad the emails he sent to epstein were but to say somebody i've been going through the emails in detail for weeks now and there are a lot of people who this was post original sweetheart deal time served and then pre arrest and late trump won and a lot of people who were just you know clearly being opportunistic and cynical like the nellie bowles thing nellie bowles actually did a great video or wrote a great piece about how she's in the epstein files as a new york times reporter so she was at the time she's obviously at the free press now and i thought it just was a good example of people going a bit over the top that said there's so so much weird sex stuff in the emails and i agree with some people that it's important to disentangle the weird sex stuff the sinister sex stuff like torture videos from the underage sex stuff because those are both bad but they're also separate and distinct and should be treated as such so it doesn't mean that it makes one thing better than the other it just means that they're different and as a journalist you have a duty to be precise so my problem though is with a lot of people making those arguments i find they're also downplaying the severity of the allegations and the likelihood that there was underage stuff because a lot of it is just you could tell that they were picking up the phone and stopping email chains and having conversations not in a recorded fashion or not in a written fashion i should say so there's there's i just think there's a lot of smoke there people should be careful with it i do think the international dealings are probably the bigger story and i think there's probably some way in which the salacious sexual stuff fits into that obviously i think that's the case but no i agree that precision in language is important i agree that some of the language people are using is irresponsible but the problem is i think some of the people who are making those arguments are now so determined to be her to make those points that they're going over the top and downplaying some of the other stuff here's a question from james i hate politics right now so more interesting question what's your go to dinner cereal i think i did say on the show not long ago that i have cereal for dinner a lot i'm trying not to but i do like the lovebird cereal they're one of our sponsors i really like if a great cinnamon flavor chocolate flavor so that i they sent a bunch of so i've been having that a lot recently otherwise before that i'll do raisin bran it's really filling my favorite like i haven't eaten bad cereals in forever but my favorite bad cereal probably fruity pebbles it's incredible i love fruity pebbles i love honey bunches of oats not the worst but it's got a lot of sugar and it's still not great and reese's puffs hurts the top of my mouth but i can't stop myself around reese's puffs i like cocoa pebbles i like man i just like all i love cereal like many of us even just lovable cheerios so it's cereal to me is one of the the great modern foods all right this is from nate who says reaction to the lionel shriver interview i've listened for a while but never wanted to write it until today i just finished listening the episode that wrapped with your lionel shriver interview i think lionel mischaracterized something really important lionel makes the argument that the protesters don't really care about the immigrants but rather that it's all about them and they're self aggrandiz theatrics i don't want to make generalizations about why all protesters are doing what they're doing some probably out there to protect immigrants some that they may know some might be out there for the reason lionel articulated by a large but a large contingent and i think this became more true is out there because of what they and i see as a serious escalating threat from dhs against our civil liberties and nate goes on to make some really good points about civil liberties and says i would argue dhs the administration are using their policy of mass deportation as a trojan horse for degrading civil liberties and frankly that is worth peacefully protesting absolutely worth acknowledging in any way in every conversation about this topic amen nate i think that's totally true i actually remember in the moment disagreeing with lionel when she said that but for a different reason i i actually do think that most people out there care about the immigrants i think one mistake that people on the right make is to think all of this is virtue signaling and insincere because even if it is virtue signaling like it's it's heavy on the signaling it's rooted in this idea that they believe they're doing something good right because that's virtue signaling to me i see as a signal or i'm sorry as a symptom of you know the disease of purposelessness that's like you can diagnose someone as feeling adrift when they do heavy virtue signaling morally insecure when they do heavy virtue signaling so what that means i think people do in a lot of cases get caught up up in in some cases some really bad behavior like alex preddy kicking the taillight out of federal immigration vehicle enforcement vehicle because they actually do really care and that's interesting to me like that's the entire like quote unquote woke phenomena was heavy on virtue signaling and i think that was a symptom of people feeling morally insecure morally adrift so you know of course there are some people who are all showboating and care more about themselves than the migrants but i do think a lot of them care so that was my disag now your point i obviously agree across the board i've said it many times i do think mass migration is used as a pretext for a crackdown on civil liberties for eroding civil liberties i think we've seen it happen in western europe but what's tough is that when you have mass migration in such a short period of time like the biden administration then you also need mass enforcement and how do you do that part how do you respond to mass immigration in a way that doesn't erode civil liberties i don't trust either party to do it period i think we've seen the trump i mean like why does dhs have license plate readers in like gary indiana why do they need these vast palantir databases that i do think raise serious civil liberty concerns there's a lot going on i mean even down to like how ring cameras are being used facial recognition and everything being like buying data from tiktok the loopholes that you can get super customized gps information that advertisers use and the government can just buy it and that's happening right now to do immigration enforcement so i am not at all in disagreement with you anat on those things and i think that's true i have also though this would be maybe a point of disagreement i haven't been out with ice watchers like i haven't gone to any of those riots or protests and peaceful protests which there have been many many many minneapolis has had many just normal people going out into the streets which is part of my response to that lionel point you raised there's something bringing people into the streets and it's not all you know it's not all insincerity but i don't know that i've seen a ton of sincere civil liberties concerns from like i would actually be curious for the breakdown and nate maybe you know because maybe you've been out there and i do have a couple people i know who who might be able to give me information on this and that's because they've been around it that's a good point what what is the breakdown of people who just don't want deportation or immigration enforcement period versus people who are upset about civil liberties and how would they break down their level of concern the reason that i haven't really taken that seriously before is all of these protests are organized by people i know who would be protesting even if all of the civil liberties were being protected for them it is about mass deportations they do not want it they ideologically support open borders that's why they were chanting at one of the protests in la from palestine and mexico border walls have got to go so that's where i'm skeptical that people out there especially because many people out there couldn't have cared less during the biden administration's encroachment on civil liberties and in fact wanted encroachment on civil liberties through disinformation and disinformation monitoring and suppression and all of that i just am skeptical that there are a lot of really sincere civil liberty advocates out there i think it's mostly about mass deportation but i could totally be wrong and i appreciate you writing in nate let's see let's see marlowe writes in do you think president trump's efforts have made a difference that you can see in dc at first definitely i think there's a little bit of backsliding happening now but it's still better than it was before the problem that's hard to separate out is that it was already getting better so i don't know to what extent it's part of a continuation of that trend our mayor here muriel bowser freaked out when particularly sports teams were thinking of leaving what is now capital one arena it used to be the verizon center right in downtown dc chinatown if you've ever been here and businesses were fleeing never able to come back after covid because that area was so crime ridden and dirty and it was very dangerous and when businesses threatened to leave she snapped into action this was twenty twenty four i want to say it might have been twenty twenty three she freaked out and it was that that was the moment when things started to turn around but yeah i mean one thing that i really like that the trump administration is doing is beautifying some of the federal land in dc even just like monuments you can tell they're taking that very seriously i think every administration should take that seriously but anyway dunn says emily primetime jashinsky can the show still be named after party to meet ap standards should it not be primetime party inquiring minds of rabid fans have to know seriously congrats and best regards thanks this is a reminder someone else said i'm bad at self promotion i'm so bad at self promotion that i didn't even remember to plug at the beginning of this episode of afterparty that afterparty itself is moving to nine pm if you didn't catch the end of wednesday's show i made that announcement which i looked up in nielsen they say prime prime time is between nine fifteen and nine thirty so that was my excuse to say we were moving to nine to prime time by switching to nine i know a lot of you actually are catching up the next day anyway this is part of your morning routine so that might not change much for you but i do just want to say it's very fun to watch the show live well i mean i'm doing the show and i have a lot of fun doing it live i think it's more fun than pre tapes but also we're having fun in the live chat i'm answering questions as we go so i love the idea of doing something live especially when more people are awake it turns out i'm such a night owl but it turns out people go to bed early these days here's another question from here's another question from marlo who says what moral codes do you think our lawmakers operate under it was part of your real housewives leave i don't know i feel like lawmakers moral codes are so driven by electoral politics especially in the house of representatives it sort of breaks their ability to disentangle reelection from baseline moral fundamentals that's a good question let's see let's see this is a nice note from peter who says loved last night's episode more than usual because your interjections in general messing around with your friends at bedford's were at times hilarious and made things even more fun to watch than usual doing something live together with them and your other friends inez and rachel would make for an entertaining jumble of a show it's funny you say that first of all i actually thought last night's show so this is wednesday night show i'm coming to you on thursday afternoon i thought it was one of the most fun shows too i thought it was an especially fun show so i had been at a work dinner beforehand and had like three or four drinks over the course of several hours so not not binge drinking by any means but i was like maybe a little looser usually i think it's better when i don't drink actually ironically before or during the show because you just you have to keep a certain pace and rhythm when you're hosting but maybe i'm wrong about that maybe i'll have to rethink it chris sarah inez and rachel we all know each other and inez lives in new york but definitely the dc crowd we're definitely at stuff together all the time and so they're a fun group maybe something live all at once would be fun too really funny that's a really funny point and then peter sent me a recommendation of someone to check out and i will do that and then let's go to our instagram questions here always some fun ones on instagram i gotta navigate over to them all right danielle says when lionel shriver said quote these people are beyond parody cry laughing emojis and hands raised emojis thank you danielle i thought that was interesting from lionel because she doesn't consider herself a satirist which she mentioned in the interview but i have to imagine it just makes it hard to do fictionalized renderings of real events because sometimes things feel beyond satire i mean even to nate's point about civil liberty violations like so much of that feels beyond satire it feels beyond fiction now that i really admire writers who are able to still make art out of this i feel like it's gotta be getting maybe it's getting easier texan says when do you think the fall of monoculture started because i would argue it started around twenty fifteen twenty sixteen yeah this is one of the more interesting questions of our time now i think everything in general started to go downhill after the turn of the millennium i think it's maybe true that western civilization or civilization peaked in nineteen ninety nine or two thousand and i'm not joking when i say that just in terms of quality of life technology hadn't become hyper novel to the point where we were fully incapable of of keeping up so that we get the benefits without being drowned in the costs i think that's what's happening to us now i think yeah i don't necessarily think we should be frozen in nineteen ninety nine but some of the rhythms of daily life and global politics and all of that were just better now the other argument is that civilization peaked right before nuclear technology that if everyone could live like you know middle class americans lived before nuclear technology was invented like right before and have everything that was up to that maybe that is the best time to have been alive i don't know there's still a lot of disease and all of that but then also at the same time you know we we are we have much less friction or we have much we have much less friction between our daily lives and suffering most of us on a daily basis that it makes suffering even harder when it happens so that's another part of it that you know sometimes even the good comes with a little bit of bad so i don't know it's almost impossible to say when civilization peaked but that's my impulse i mean we had such great medical technologies and we were eradicating a lot of diseases and we weren't as obese like it hadn't turned around and reversed at that point quite yet it was happening but it hadn't the scale hadn't totally tipped this is so but the fall of monoculture yeah i mean twenty fifteen twenty sixteen is pretty good and maybe even like twenty fourteen because i think what trump trump is a monocultural figure who understood that we were there there was a big chunk that wasn't being served by the monoculture and he could still you know appeal to enough of the public to serve that underserved market that he could split the republican vote and you know when you're up against hillary clinton i guess you maybe it's not as hard as people thought it would be so it's such a good question but yeah i would think i would think it was when most people's options like the internet democratized entertainment and journal like news options to the point where that was pushing us even further into silos about where we live and eat and how we live and that sort of thing and that probably is right when when streaming comes out and when streaming you know tv and movies comes out so that you don't have to be changed to cable or even dvr or whatever people aren't listening to the radio because spotify is really taking off apple music is around then yeah that's probably a really good estimate like maybe between twenty fourteen there's got to be a way to measure that i don't know what it is but maybe i'll ask claude it's a good question corey corey says would you rather own a private jet or private yacht corey is a friend of mine thanks for the question corey private jet private jet i love being on the water i love boats but with a jet you can get anywhere so fast i i've never flown private and even like a lot of journalist friends they're not like super wealthy but they end up flying private at some point because they interview like some rich person they're interviewing is like you can interview me but only on my plane while i'm going from new york to dc or something like that because it's the only time they have free or whatever or a politician a lot of times it happens where a politician is like in iowa and they'll take over private plane from one place to another they're not always super fancy private planes but anyway never on a private plane i think that's the coolest thing in the world and i just like that as somebody who travels a lot the ease of just being able to get in and get out i think would make the whole experience as enjoyable as it should be when you're zooming up over the air and as cool as it should be like feel as cool as it should part of the reason it it feels so annoying to do this amazing thing of like flying around the country or even the world is that it's such a pain bureaucratically and logistically so i would say jet i would say jet corey there are a lot of places that i want to see that a jet could make more efficient than a yacht nick says no question i just think you should make a spotify play for us with your favorite music that's a good idea actually maybe i will i've thought about doing something like that before and just never gotten around to it it feels a little self self indulgent but maybe if enough people ask i could be motivated to ryan says will trump respond to zionist dan patrick attempting to pressure catholic carrie pre john bowler off of president trump's religious liberty commission she seems to have put the ball in trump's court i feel like trump is going to stay out of this one so dan patrick i believe is the lieutenant governor of texas and if you didn't follow the story carrie prejean who's been on megan's show what was she miss usa miss america i never know the difference between the two but she was very successful very successful and i believe converted to catholicism and was on this religious liberty commission got into a back and forth with some pro israel folks about the concept of christian zionism and she definitely came down in like a tucker lane on that question i didn't agree with everything she said to be honest but you know it's amazing how rigid and hysterical the response was to her i think it did the response did more harm than good by far and that was it was just so unfortunate to see so i don't know it seems like laura loomer was driving the backlash to her and i my assumption is that trump is definitely going to stay out of it i would imagine that trump doesn't want any part of this like squabble over his religious liberty commission but maybe i'm wrong wrong maybe i'm wrong here we go this must be the last i think this is going to be the last one erica says emily i paused your show just now i'm listening to the episode you dropped last night thank you so much for putting into words as eloquently and as only you can my exact heart regarding james vanderpeek and his portrayal of dawson leary it was popular show starting when i was sixteen even at that age because i grew up in a fundamental christian bubble i was not allowed to watch that show i did not get to watch till i was twenty one and it was in syndication yes same that's exactly what happened to me and oh this is spoilers spoilers oh no erica's team pacey no i sort of alluded to team pacey yesterday when i was saying a lot of people didn't see dawson as the protagonist of his own show i think it's a pretty good argument that joey was ultimately the protagonist of the show but a lot of people saw it as pacey that pacey was the the better man of the two and was the real like driving force of good and i just never saw it that way i kind of as i've gotten older i kind of understand why people do which is interesting to me i i kind of try not to re watch dawson's creek because i feel like i'm i'm afraid i'll be sucked into pacey world i probably wouldn't but no i i don't think i would but anyway all that is to say i understand it a bit more as i've gotten older there was just something so romantic to me when i was younger about i'm about to reveal myself as a loser there's this line in an episode i think it's called escape from which island my memory is it's season three or yeah it must be season three and at one point joey or joey refers to them as star crossed lovers torn apart by their own something like that okay maybe i'm not as big as a loser as i think i am because i don't remember the line exactly it stuck with me for a really long time because i thought it was so beautiful and there's something so romantic about going back and forth across the creek going up into the bedroom to watch movies and then going back sneaking back home climbing up the ladder oh my gosh i just loved it so much and it felt so disruptive pacey felt so disruptive too this this fate but yeah i mean when you're younger i guess you see things in a maybe a neater way erica says i was so heartbroken yesterday when i found out cancer had beaten james i had begun following his journey as political development the past couple years how he had moved his family out of canada and into texas so on and so forth i really enjoyed all of his stories on instagram he built up for himself a wonderful life of family and faith to see the mark that he left on celebrities is such a treatment to his character testament to his character and his god he will be very missed well i mean the reflections on him from people who knew him have been so universally just universally reverent and i feel like he's one of those people that did really come across you know i just remember even wanting it on breaking points like he didn't have to do that he did not have to speak out and very politely and civilly suggest that democrats have debates didn't have to do that but he thought it was right and he wanted to speak out against the broken system so what a guy i just think that spoke to his character and it makes me believe a lot of the nice things that i've heard about him since and you know i didn't i didn't know him personally but boy it just seems like he was wonderful so rest in peace james vanderbeek like i mentioned this his family has a gofundme if you know anything about dawson's creek i don't think they were getting a lot of residuals and his cancer treatment was very very expensive six little kids so i think it makes sense that they have a gofundme but it's it's doing well and i'll be praying for him his family his kids appreciate you all for your questions you can send them in at emilyvil care media getting so many these days i might have to like start picking and choosing but i appreciate it so much emily dot com or the afterparty emily instagram and we will see you back on monday at nine pm live on youtube of course you can still catch it afterwards make sure you have a great weekend please subscribe and god bless you everyone.
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