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After Party with Emily Jashinsky
“Happy Hour”: The Legacy Media Questions, Epstein’s FOIA, and Don Lemon’s Prosecution: Emily Answers YOUR Questions
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On this week’s edition of “Happy Hour,” Emily Jashinsky responds to a series of questions about the situation in Minnesota and immigration including the recent video of Alex Pretti kicking the car, she explains how sanctuary jurisdictions work, how the media’s own narrative has impacted coverage, why Don Lemon is in legal trouble and Emily’s concerns about the prosecution of him, the 2A and 1A, plus that Ilhan Omar incident. Emily also takes up the issues facing Tim Walz and if she thinks he could go to prison. Emily answers several questions about the media overall, including thoughts on Sinclair, local reporting, how to keep track of the news, the power of podcasts, and why legacy media still matters. Epstein’s FOIA request also comes up and Emily explains why he would do that. On politics Emily offers her sense who will be the 2028 Democratic nominee and if she’d like to interview President Trump. The episode also includes Emily’s hot take on “The Lord of the Rings,” Billie Eili...
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Hi everyone. We're back with another edition of Happy Hour, which is of course itself a special edition of After Party that we drop every Friday around 5:00pm you know the drill. I record these live, meaning I don't pause and I don't edit anything out. I read your emails for the first time on air during the show. If you haven't subscribed, wherever you get your podcast yet, please do subscribe on YouTube. It helps us a lot to subscribe on YouTube, so if you haven't done that yet, make sure you do that too. Also, you're just going to be missing out on all kinds of fun videos if you don't. All right, let's get to all of your messages. By the way, I normally record these on Thursdays. This is Wednesday evening. I'm coming to you on a Wednesday evening this time around because I'm actually going on vacation for a few days. I wish it was going to be a longer vacation, but it's an election year. You can't just ditch the news cycle for much longer than a couple days. To be honest, there's so much work to do. So I'll be back in a few days. Nothing to worry about. But I am going to. Well, this is, this is Wednesday, obviously. So when you're listening to it, there are certain things I'm coming to you from the past. There are certain things that you may know that I don't know right now. So we have a lot of emails. I'll go ahead and start here. This says, from Marlo, I enjoyed Michael Malice. He gave a great tribute to Scott Adams. But Emily, how are you fooled by Ilhan Omar? Once a fraud, always a fraud. Her house of cards is falling and she is a cornered animal desperate to escape. Oh, this is in reference to whether or not it was fake attempt to get attention that was concocted when Ilhan Omar was sprayed with that syringe. I Think we now know it was water and apple cider vinegar during a town hall in the Minneapolis area. So I think as the facts have come out, this has. This has vindicated me. I think Michael and I both thought it was real. I do. I still think it's real. Um, and I think as details have dripped out of the investigation, that it pretty. Is. It's pretty vindicating for that theory. Sorry, Marlo. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but it just looked real to me. Honestly, it's like. It's a weird thing to do. It's extremely weird, but there are extremely weird people in the world, so that would be. Omar looked legitimately pretty surprised. And I did have to give her credit. I think Megan did, too, for going in on the guy. She was not going to take that one sitting down. She kept going with her speech. So I. I thought that would seemed like a pretty genuine reaction. But, yeah, if I'm proven wrong, I'm proven wrong. Feel good about it right now, though. Thanks, Marlo. Mary says, looking out at that video that came out today of Alex Pratty spitting at agents, swearing, kicking the taillight on an ICE car, these people need to be arrested for their own good. They're clearly unhinged, and maybe being arrested would scare at them straight. P.S. you are very funny. Have you ever thought of doing comedy? Well, on the first part about Alex Preddy, I actually still don't understand why after that incident. Incident, which was January 13th, how had. Why was he not arrested then and there? Why was he not arrested after kicking the tail light out of an ICE vehicle? Yes. I'm Monday morning quarterbacking this. But part of the problem, and I know this is why ICE really wanted the local cooperation of officers like Minneapolis St. Paul, Hennepin county law enforcement. They wanted that cooperation because they were in so many of these cases outmanned. It's a handful of them going to nab one person at this place or another place, and then they have a mob of people. And I think actually that's really, really. In retrospect, I hope we get some analyses on just how inflammatory and escalatory. I mean, that was just a recipe for inflammation, escalation. And it still will be, of course. But, yeah, anytime you have people, a handful of law enforcement going into a fairly organized. Call it a protest riot. I mean, it was. They're different things at different times. Right. You know, at one moment, it's Renee, good. You know, in another moment, it's all of the people blocking what. Have you seen these checkpoints that they've set up. It gets weird. It gets weird. But yeah, it's, it's crazy that we're sending people into those situations because it's obviously like just asking for trouble. And so, yeah, maybe the, the cooperation of the local law enforcement is essential. Maybe that's something that even the left could say is essential to protecting their people too, because that's when law enforcement starts to feel afraid and threatened. So, yeah, I'll hope, I hope that we get law enforcement officers to, to weigh in on the logistics of what's been going on in Minneapolis. I believe local law enforcement is now cooperating. That may have changed. There was a Sunday night recently where there was a riot breaking out outside of a hotel, basically where people thought ICE was staying. And finally you saw some local law enforcement cooperation. But it's an important point because, you know, if you don't have the ability to arrest people who are breaking the law, you then don't have the ability to provide those disincentives for people to put themselves in dangerous situations. But of course, to put law enforcement in dangerous situations where you're literally kicking out a taillight and I think he was armed, kicking out a tail light, that's again, just completely dangerous behavior. To your second question, your postscript. I have not ever thought of doing comedy except for when I was in high school. When I was graduating high school, I really thought I could be a stand up comedian. But I'm very, very introverted. So I realized pretty quickly there was no way that I had the stomach to do the stand up circuit. I was like, ooh, no, no, no, no. Crashing is one of the best shows though. Like if you have hbo, I think it's hbo. That show is incredible. Especially if you're like a comedy buff. That show is. That is the life that I realized was not for me. Pretty quickly after I was like, ooh, this, this could be fun because you get to write in comedy. So I have thought about it, but not since I was like 18 or 19. Sean says, I've loved your work since Megan introduced me to you. I've also been been listening to Loveline and Adam since I was 12, 30 plus years ago. My question, did you guys do a pre interview? O this is a good question to discuss conversations on Kimmel. I've loved Jimy since I was introduced to him back then as well and can maintain my appreciation for him because of how Adam frames their friendship. I think hearing him reframe Jimmy Kimmel on America's Leaders is the most Clearly, I've seen him confront his friend. No, we did not do a pre interview. We did not. I just put that question on Kimmel in because it was relevant that day and Adam rolled with it. That's how interviews, I guess, are supposed to go. Ideally. I don't want to be gossipy, impersonal. Kimmel was just one of the bigger entertainment stories in that post Preddy news cycle because again, he started crying on air. So felt like totally fair game to me. And I don't think Adam had any problems with it at all. I agree, actually, Sean, that it was. I agree that it was a really nice moment from Adam, who I don't know. I mean, loyalty is the most. It's one of the most. What's the right word? I mean, nobody has it in entertainment and news media. Like, there's literally no loyalty. It's actually something I've always admired about Tucker Carlson. Whatever you think of the guy, he. He's loyal to a fault. There are people that he easily could criticize, but he won't because they worked at the Daily Caller. He had a rule at the Daily Caller that they couldn't write anything critical of Fox News while he worked there because he was getting a paycheck. And it's just not a good thing to do now. It's a little different with a news outlet, but that's just explaining. I really admire that. I really admire that because it's so often easy to distance yourself from a friend. But I think it makes Adam. It speaks to his character. It makes him more likable, let alone. I was genuinely touched. I think you can hear me in the interview. I go, oh. When he says that Kimmel cried on their last episode of the man show over their friendship, I was genuinely touched by that. And listen, people who are unhinged and bananas, whether they're on the left or the right, people who you feel like have been made crazy by news cycles, it's just always important to remember nobody sees themselves as the villain. You know, maybe like 1% of people see themselves as the villain. And I take a lot of heat for, you know, talking to people on the left. You know, we had people like Tim Miller, who's now you could say on the left on this show. But even, you know, my friends on the left and they get a lot of heat for being friends with somebody on the right and having people from the right on their shows. But I. I just think it's important to. Even when it's hardest and I mean, it's been really, this last year has, of course, been really challenging for everybody on that front, especially after what happened to Charlie. I mean, things got very, very personal. And so I just think it's been really, really worth it to push through some of those challenges. And I think that's something I really admire that Carolla is doing there with his friend Jimmy. All right, let's see. Tracy asks says, I've been listening to your podcast since last summer. I always look forward to the new episodes and so appreciate your perspective. Thank you. Tracy, I would love if you could explain sanctuary city status. I know that it exempts the city from complying with federal immigration laws, but I guess my question is why? How is this achieved? I lived in the. I live in the Twin Cities, and the impulse to flee is strong. I heard the home and press conference where he conveyed his conversations with Wallace, Fry, and Ellison. How can. How can he trust anything they say? Also, would love to know what you think about the odds that we'll see Walls come to justice. Ooh, great email here. Great email here. All right, so sanctuary city status or sanctuary jurisdiction. I usually say jurisdiction because sometimes it's the county, sometimes it's the city, sometimes it's the state. Sometimes it's a combination of the patchwork between the the county, the city, and the state. So it really does depend. I mean, the gist of it is exactly what you said, Tracy, that the city is exempted from complying with federal immigration laws. But I would argue it's actually the city is exempted from complying with some federal immigration laws because as Walls and Fry have been saying, they will cooperate on violent criminals. Meaning when? So Walls will say this the state. When somebody is incarcerated in the state prison. Prison, they will tell ICE this person's about to be released. Or you can come and. And get this. This person if they're, for example, a violent, like, rapist murderer. So they'll say, well, we still do that. But the other problem is there are people who have already been released who are out in the city. And local law enforcement is not like if you make an arrest, if you stop someone. And again, this differs from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. But if you stop, if you're at a traffic stop and local law enforcement comes on somebody who was released for what's a good example, like robbery, you know, has had already served the time, maybe they did a year in prison robbery, something like that, they're not going to deport the person or alert ICE to come and deport the person in. In every circumstance. So it's Really, I think part of the reason Dems get away with the sanctuary jurisdiction stuff is that it is so complicated. Is so, so complicated and hard to explain because it differs from one place to another. But yeah, I mean, the bottom line is that they're trying to protect people. That's why the sanctuary term came up. They're trying to protect people who are in the country illegally. That's really. I think that's really the bottom line there. It's not because that. That's the umbrella, if you put it in that sense, like, they are trying to shield people from deportation, shield some people from deportation. And that's why, again, it makes it easier. That's why sanctuary cities are real magnets. Often these policies, these protective policies come with, you know, subsidies and programs for migrants and the like, lots of local charities that make it possible, but they're also magnets because again, you can just kind of hang out in a sanctuary city and it's easier to get by. Knowing you, the threat of deportation is much, much lower. So that's not a perfect explanation, but I've gone through this so many times myself, like, trying to dig into exactly like what is the exact best way to do to define a sanctuary city or a sanctuary jurisdiction. And the answer is that it's honestly really hard because there are so many different. That's just such a patchwork of municipal laws. Sometimes it's passed through the legislature. Sometimes it is just a posture of the mayor or the governor. Sort of like Michael Scott when he declares bankruptcy. I declare a sanctuary city. But other times it's more. It's gone through a legislative process. So absolutely crazy. Tim Walls coming to justice. I don't know. I mean, I would imagine between Walls and Ellison, there's been some. I mean, Megan keeps saying she, she. She thinks Walls could end up in prison. I. I have a hard time believing there isn't some law being broken. I don't know. I don't know. I. My guess is, you know, he. He doesn't go to prison. But I don't know. He. The. At least the punishment is that his political career seems to be totally dead in the water, stalled out. So there's that. Nick says this kerfuffle in the national discourse about Alex Preddy got me thinking about 2A. Because now I see liberals defending open carry and Republicans demonizing it. I think we don't see gun legislation being talked about in news media outside of niche gun activists is pretty obvious. It's. Not everyone carries their own a gun, but I think it's almost as important to be aware of the first amendment as it's a barometer of personal autonomy. What do you think? I also think you and Malice kind of skated over his shooting a bit. Whether he was being a dick or not doesn't affect whether it was a good shoot or not. And I'm not sure if you've seen the closer video, but he was clearly disarmed by one man and then executed while incapacitated by another. A bad shoot is a bad shoot. And if we don't hold these undertrained, under vetted massmen accountable, they will only be emboldened. Thanks for advance. I miss a single show unless I'm feeling really news fatigued. I love the term news fatigue, Nick. I may start adopting that. That's fantastic. Sounds like an official diagnosis and it should be on the Kerry point. I could not agree more. I was delighted to see the left start defending carrying. I like, I was like, yes, yes, yes. 2A protects 1A. And malice had a good quote on the show. He was like, the reason you have second amendment is to protect yourself from the government. From the government. And that's again, if you're, you know, somebody who takes seriously the second amendment and Kerry and all of that, you have spent a lot of time thinking about the second amendment in those terms, probably. And because again, Nick, you're totally on the money because it's not common for members of the media to themselves be lawful firearm owners or people, especially not people who carry. Some of them may have. Have guns at home that they never use just for case of emergency. But they're not big hunters. They're, you know, not at the range or anything like that. Not regulars. And so yeah, it just, it's. It's one of those things where it's like they're not truck drivers either. So like there was this. It was like 2014, it was going super viral on Twitter. Someone, it was some journalist said something stupid about trucks and someone said, you know, the F150 is like the number one selling car in the country. And journalists were like, no way. And you watched everybody just discover in real time that yes, the Ford F150 was like the most. It was so telling because it was people who had just never gotten outside of or spent very little time outside of their urban bubble. So I think guns are a similar issue. Now on the shooting part, I think I've been pretty critical. I think Malice. I'm trying to remember what he said. I think his general position on it was. Or is that the real story was the opposition to deportation enforcement, that what happened, Alex Prady, is, if I'm remembering correctly, I don't want to totally speak for malice, but that it was sort of an inevitability because people do not want. He said. He had a good line where he said, you have tens of thousands of people who are in the country who do not want to leave. So it's going to. It's going to happen. So there may have been some sense of inevitability to that. Nick, I tend to agree with what you said. I feel like I've conveyed this. Maybe I haven't conveyed it clearly enough. I am increasingly of the position that there was that, yes, a lot of this stuff is inevitable. Malice is right. There are tens of thousands of people in this country, probably hundreds of thousands, probably millions of people in this country who are here without proper status and they do not want to leave. Some of them are women. Some of them are women with children. Some of them are, you know, sweet families who were trying to. Who Biden made think they'd be able to just comfortably live in the United States and someday get amnesty, pathway to citizenship, something like that. And so you're facing an enormously difficult situation. And I think it is absolutely true that some of this was inevitable. There was a protest in Los Angeles over the last few days where you can watch the video of it online. The chant is from Palestine to Mexico. Border walls have got to go. That is a really important point to me because. A really important admission because that's the defined goal, right? Border walls have got to go. And that's just what Billie Eilish said. Nobody is illegal on stolen land. Which is, if that's your position, I think it's foolish, but it's at least an honest explanation. And so I do think a lot of this would be happening, no matter how careful and gentle the deportation enforcement was. So I think that is correct. But I also think there's. It's been somewhat. Some of the theater has been somewhat unnecessary. You guys know I've been against the masks. I don't think it's good to have, as Glenn Greenwald said on the show, armed agents of the state roaming the streets with masks on. Just don't think it's American. And, yeah, I have said many, many times, if my loved one were in ice, I would sure as hell want them to be masked. Completely understand it. But I do think some of it has broken trust, and you need trust, broken the public's trust. And you need trust in order to carry out the such a difficult mission. That malice is right was going to be difficult. Was going to be depicted by the media as evil and Gestapo, like, no matter what. But I think there have been some unforced errors, and maybe it'll turn out like we were saying earlier, just in this episode, that some of it was. It was unnecessary to send guys, you know, five guys into mobs, you know, was. Was there a better way to do that so you wouldn't ultimately have to do what a lot of people are saying looks like a concession now and draw out forces from Minneapolis? I don't know. I think it's a good. I think it's a good question, Nick. Appreciate it. Let's see, what else do we have here? Have you. So you often talk about people giving up freedom for security. Have you ever read the Lord of the Rings or at least seen the movies? Ken asks and goes into a whole thing about Galadriel and Frodo. This is a line from Galadriel that Ken describes as a paradoxical last line. All shall love me and despair. I love the Hobbit I've read as a kid. I read the Hobbit over and over and over again. And I love the cartoons from, like, the 70s or the 80s that I think really capture the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings visually and sonically for me in a way that resonated with what I read in the books. You guys are gonna hate me. You're gonna hate me. I'm about to say something that is pretty. Pretty hot. Pretty hot. I didn't like the Peter Jackson adaptation of Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit. My boyfriend is obsessed with them, so he would agree with you, Ken. And just deeply guided by the book. The books, I should say. And I think they are absolutely fables for our time. That's what Ken asked. A fable for our time. Yes, absolutely. I think about Tolkien a lot, and I find myself going back to Tolkien and C.S. lewis a lot. Even if I'm not going to the books, I go to Tolkien's writings and think about, you know, I. I like to think about the Hobbit. I started reading the first Lord of the Rings book and honestly found it. The way I describe it is it's very male. I always get an email from someone after I say that, being like, I'm a woman. I love Lord of the Rings. I think if I push myself through it, I would probably like it, but it's so dense. Right on the details. As a Woman. I'm like, dude, just please. Like, he's. He's building his world, right? And I'm like, please, just, like, have someone. I need some emotion, some action, some social. Something social to cling to. So that's my horrible take on. On Lord of the Rings. But I do agree, Ken, that Tolkien was reflecting on World War Right and technology, and. And that's why I find myself kind of dipping into that. Well, a lot, because what feels new to us, you know? Abolition of man. C.S. lewis's abolition of man is one of the most powerful pieces of writing that you can visit or revisit in 2026. Like, I think I first read that around Covid. And you know, what feels new to us? Like, the, like, social media changes that have come from algorithmic social media. I mean, imagine living through the dawn of air travel, the military impact of war travel, the consequences of air travel. I should say the. The advent of commercial television, radio, let alone radio. You can hear another person's voice from around the world. It's just you. You can. You can communicate that with them over a telephone. It's really that. That the world was shattered in so many different ways. The innocence of the world was shattered in so many different ways. The Shire was. The Shire was disrupted in so many different ways, you know, a hundred years ago. And so I think they're. These are. These are helpful themes to return to. So I totally agree. Howard says. A doctor asked some questions to see how I was doing. And one was, do you talk to someone every day? I guess, concerned about old people, loneliness. My answer was not if I can help it. What I think of what makes me happy. Another human is not the first thing that comes to mind. That's funny. Basically, Howard is saying, you sound almost as antisocial as me. Yeah, I'm. I'm. I'm anti social. I like hanging out with my friends. I don't like to make new. No, I don't like to make new friends. Hashtag no new friends. But it's not because I don't. I was gonna say it's not because I don't like people, but. No, it's. It's very much because I don't like people. It's. It's because I'm very. I find it very painful because I feel like many of you probably. It's meeting new people. It takes a lot of my social battery. Some people get their social battery recharged by interactions with other people. Mine is depleted by interactions with other people. It's like, it Takes a lot of effort and I think it's just because, you know, you want to, you want to present a good impression and you know, it just for me, that, that takes so much. It's, it's. I find it very stressful. So anyway, that's funny. But you know, Howard, your answer? Not if I can help it. We should all probably push ourselves. The introverts of the world should probably push ourselves because it's not healthy. I mean, I could just stay in like my office for days, probably like with a bag of chips or something. A bag of master chips, of course. But I could probably stay in my office for days and not talk to anybody and just read and watch movies and TV and all of that, but not good for us. Marlo actually emails about master chips and says master chips are great. I had mine with tuna pokey. Oh, wow, that's interesting. I don't like poke and I'm going to get a bunch of emails about that. But I will say this looks like a great combination. Marlo and they are so delicious. If I had to choose between Masa and Vandy, both good. I love, love, love Vandy. The barbecue is just ridiculous. Christine says. Thank you for mentioning Krasner in your happy hour episode this week. As a lifelong Philadelphian and 30 year veteran of the Philadelphia Police Department, I can say from an up close vantage point that his progressive policies have done so much damage to the city, yet he keeps getting elected. It drives me crazy. Of course, a huge problem in the city is that the voter turnout in local elections is just abysmal. Christine says. Anyway, thank you for what you're doing. I love your perspective and willingness to listen and interact with people of all different opinions. Your podcast is wonderful and I look forward to it. I will keep you in my prayers. Christine, that is so sweet and means a lot to me. Thank you. I think I said this on the show at the time. I went to Philadelphia and stayed overnight in Philadelphia for the first time ever. I. I'd been to Bryn Mawr at some point, so I'd taken the train into Philly and then, you know, got out of there fairly quickly. But I was in Philly for like 24, 48 hours, probably more like 24 hours in the fall. And I traveled a lot of different cities. I could not believe the state of Philadelphia. I was thoroughly depressed and I did not want to be there for another minute. It was really dark. It felt to me like San Francisco esque. And you know, I've heard San Francisco is getting better and I hope that's the case. I haven't been there in a very, very long time. But, you know, roaming. All of our cities have roaming fentanyl zombies. But it was like the state of Philadelphia, the absolute state of Philadelphia was so incredibly depressing. Just being outside of Independence hall and seeing, you know, looking around the blocks, you see this beautiful architecture and then outside of the green space and the colonial architecture, it is. It felt to me like a hellscape. It felt to me like what a lot of the cities in America felt like during 2020 and 2021. And I was so like, you expect some of that in every city, but downtown Philadelphia was just absolutely covered in filth and misery and suffering. And I was. It was one of the most depressing moments of 2025 for me, was standing outside Independence hall on a sunny, warm September day and just seeing the. The filth and misery and suffering just all around. I took a walk over there with a friend and, you know, we walked a bunch of downtown Philly and it just. It was so, so sad. I love the concert at the man, though. I went and saw him at the Man. That was awesome. All right, this one is from Katie, who says it is frustrating that you don't understand the enormous difference between illegal immigrant killing Americans and mass federal agents killing Americans. The first group is hunted down, arrested, charged, tried, convicted and imprisoned. The second group has their identity hidden, keeps their job, will move to another location, is given, quote, absolute immunity by the government who refuses to allow investigation and officers blatant lies that can only be caught because of multiple angles of video taken by civilians who are threatened physically and that they'll put on. Be put on a list of domestic terrorists those cycles who psychos who physically attacked a woman for legally filming them and killed the man who tried to help her are still out there as dangers to the American populace. Just imagine how that woman, woman shrubber treats the women in his life behind closed doors. Lake and Riley's murderer is currently in prison. No one protests this because we support it. How can you not see the difference? Thanks for the email, Katie. Let me think about this here. So you're saying don't understand the enormous difference between illegal immigrant killing Americans and mass federal Aidans killing Americans. Okay, so to be clear, but I was critical of the administration in the party case and of ICE in the Predi case and like, just period, my point is about the position of the left in the media. So I'm not saying this is apples to apples. What I'm saying is that There is fundamentally an ideological revelation from any comparison of media coverage when you consider the victims of crime committed by illegal immigrants or people who were on TPS during the Biden administration or asylum applicants. Remember Kilmore Abrego Garcia was referred to as a Maryland man in the original Atlantic headline that made his case super viral. They didn't bother to get the domestic abuse allegation before they ran to print with that. They didn't bother to get the human trafficking allegation before they went to print with that. That piece of coverage has has withered in the test of time. But that's my point is if we are to be critical of ICE to the extent that it's these big news cycles, Minneapolis, the Minneapolis news cycle has been like two months long. And I'm not saying that's wrong, but I'm just saying there's so little, right. Like everyone agrees what happened to Kate Steinle, everyone agrees what happened to Lake and Riley, for example, as Katie is pointing out in the C mail. Everyone agrees, everyone's happy that Lake and Riley's murderer is in prison. Right? I think that's true, Katie. I totally agree with it and I see your point. My point is that the news cycle and the concern from the left is disproportionate. When you look at what happened to Preddy and Good or what happened with Preddy and Goode and then you look at the hundreds of people who have been victims of violent crimes, let alone identity theft, et cetera, it should be a major story constantly. And the ideological revelation I think that we get from these comparisons is that those crimes should be downplayed because ultimately downplayed relative to the misdoings of ice, misdeeds of ice because ultimately there is no ideological objection to the influx of so many people in such little time. That's my point. So I'm not saying it's totally apples to apples, but I do have a very hard time with people now coming in and freaking out about Predi and Good and not freaking out about what happened over and over again to people during the Biden administration. Actually it's happened like Kate Steinle was Obama administration and it's, it's still going to happen in the future. And I think the problem with that is if you, if you don't pay close enough attention to that, it I think reveals a disinterest in deporting people, frankly, or in what's the right word? It feels like it's a soft on migrant stance and as I think is the right Way to put it, 100% of crimes committed by people in this country illegally are Preventable is a 100% pool of preventable crime. And that is not the same as crimes committed to by Americans. So that's why it just, it does. It drives me a little bananas because the media is now building this narrative much like we saw with kids in cages, which again, was not apples to apples. Trump, Obama, they're not exactly the same set of circumstances, but the media's coverage of that in Trump 1.0 was so grossly misleading. And so they pick out stories that gin up public sentiment in one direction or the other. They're less powerful than they used to be. But that's what I'm saying is you could have easily done that once a month with somebody who was killed by or raped by a person in this country illegally for the last several years. And they didn't. And they didn't. And I think it is equally important and I think the revelation is that the left, the media doesn't think it's equally important. And that is very frustrating because again, it's 100% preventable crime. Good question. Katie, you may still disagree with me. No problem. I appreciate you writing in for sure. Let's see, Ryan sent me. Someone looks like a listener named Ryan sent me some Epstein information. We'll have to check that out. This is. Hank sent me an article about the face act and let's see. Hank then also sent me a great Victor Davis Hansen piece called Slouching Towards Fort Sumter. Thank you, Hank. Yes, this piece is excellent. Victor Davis Hansen. It is so, so good to see him writing. Oh my gosh, it's so good to see him writing. When that story popped, I was like, really? He's writing. Oh my goodness. I'm glad to hear it because makes me hopeful that he is on the mend. He has said that he is on the mend. So fingers crossed that's the case. He's so tough and strong and stoic. You don't know. I mean it's. Yeah. That. I hope that's really true. And then Hank also emails about Billie Eilish. I'm following this case. I think tonight's episode of Afterparty. I'm going to cover this. I'm kind of obsessed with the Billie Eilish stolen Land House story. So I think by the time you listen to this, I'll have covered it on after party. Let's see, what do we got here?
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Oh, someone recommending. Oh, someone. Someone asking here about Sinclair Almost every comment questioning the proposed taxes was met with a Sinclair question. This is about a Sinclair reporter. Have you heard this line in your spheres? There any validity in the concerns about Sinclair owned stations? My fears this talking point is going to be used to automatically shut down discussion and debate. This is about a report that Nick Minock of ABC7 News DC did and the question is from Rachel. Rachel, I haven't seen this particular, this particular report from Minoc that you're mentioning. The Sinclair stuff is really familiar probably to a lot of people who saw you might not even remember that it's Sinclair related. But a few years ago the Sinclair stations were all having their anchors all read the same script about you know, the mission of news gathering, if I'm remembering correctly. And it was like dozens of stations around the country and some left leaning person or group put together a montage of all of it that looked super dystopian. It was news anchors, clips of news anchors blended into like this mosaic and all of them saying the same thing at the same time layered over one another. And it did look very dystopic. My response to that question honestly is I don't distrust the reporting at Sinclair because of ideological reasons. I think you can just take their reporting like the, the public is smart enough. It's so. I don't, I don't like concentration, immediate period. So I don't love for example that Gannett, companies like Gannett and Sinclair do mergers that leave them with this wide swath of coverage and then so often like Gannett being one good example, they lay people off in mid sized papers and start covering, you know, Dayton from like Cincinnati or Cleveland and they don't have as many people on the ground in Dayton anymore. And that I think is a huge problem. So I hate the centralization. I don't like that. That just always drives me crazy. But no, I don't think like these stations. It's the same thing. It's the same thing everywhere, right? Like you could do it with Gannett from the left, you could do it with other conglomerates just in another direction. So the fact that Sinclair has some like right of center packages that they try to broadcast around the country, I mean I just don't love that period. But I think you know, the public is smart enough to at this point almost everybody is trained like to consider the, the source and to be aware of what line your, your local station is coming from. If you're the person that still consumes local news, you know, be aware of that and you know, factor it into how credible you think the reporting is. But a lot of times those local folks are still, like, they're still doing local stuff, meaning it's not going all the way up the chain before it hits the Internet or the airwaves. If it's, like, really hot sometimes, you know, they probably do run it by. But if it's a report about taxes on a local level, that probably just went through the normal editorial, traditional editorial process, local production, local legal vetting, all of that. And so I would. I would generally, you know, not be overly suspicious. And I did think the outrage over Sinclair was absolutely freaking hilarious because they do it from the left with their affiliates all the damn time. So it was really amusing to me to see all of these, like, libs whining about Sinclair when it's like, yes, yes, hop on the bandwagon. Concentration in media is bad. Now. Talk about gonna not talk about these guys. So anyway, good question, good question. I haven't thought about that in a long time. Jesse says about Don Lemon, if they can come for Don Lemon by presenting evidence to a constitutionally mandated body of 1623 randomly selected registered voters, then they can come for any of us. Okay, joking aside, do you think the legacy media has done a poor job of explaining how the law actually works in the Lemon situation? Might actually be open to a, quote, not guilty verdict at trial or even having a judge toss the case, but the grand jury indictment itself seems completely legit. This hardly seems like a case of Trump standing in the shock troops to suppress speech. Lemon will have the opportunity to assert his First Amendment rights in court. It just seems like I've had to explain the grand jury process to a lot of people. Am I missing something? No, Jesse, you're not missing anything. I agree. The media's coverage of the Face act has been laughably bad. And the media's coverage of the administration's position on Lemon has been laughably bad. The best thing that you could watch as an explainer is Megan's interview with Harmeet Dillon, who's the head of the civil rights division over at the Department of Justice right now. Harmeet is literally the best in the business. She has dealt with Face act cases before, First Amendment cases before from the conservative side. So she has seen the over prosecution from the left up close, and she has won incredible cases. She's an incredibly smart person. So I would take a look at that. And if you need to, like, send something around to different people, because. Yeah, who said it first? Like, the Face act is only about. Was It a Dem politician who said the face act is. Yeah, it was. Keith Ellison was like, it's only about abortion clinics. Okay. I guess that wasn't a journalist, but I bet a lot of journalists thought that too. If they. And they certainly didn't know about a lot of the pro life cases during the Biden administration. Like, those stories were so. So downplayed or outright ignored. They barely got. Barely made, were barely a blip on the media radar during the Biden administration. So I think a lot of people had to acquaint themselves with the history pretty quickly now. Yeah, I. I'm still like, the thing that I think is a problem for Lemon is that he stayed after the pastor asked him to leave. That, I agree, is absolutely a problem for him. He should have gotten out of there. He was clearly trespassing at that point. I've said before, I don't love the face act. Prosecution of Lemon just. I can see so easily. I know people say this like a very specific case where it's a church or an abortion clinic. And I loved what Michael Knowles and Megan were talking about. Like, they should, when there's a Dem president, go to an abortion clinic and do the equivalent of what Don Lemon did and see what happens to them. Yeah, we know what a Dem would do, what a Dem president would do in that situation. That was the point that they're making. My worry on that, though, is just, it's. It's going to become a race to the bottom in taking down independent journalists who, you know, again, these big corporations have the best legal teams, like the news media corporations have great legal teams. They're the best lawyers in the world. Everyone will take their cases. Especially they're Don Lemon who. Who says attorney in this case? I forget he has an incredible attorney. But on the other hand, you know, if you're an indie news outlet, this could bankrupt you. So I just. I. I get it. I see. I see all the arguments here. I'm really skeptical that Don Lemon saying we when he is talking about a group of people, activists that he is standing with as a journalist. I see how you slip into the royal we there. Completely see how you slip into the royal we there. I don't like that being used because he was saying he's embedded. Right? Like, if you watch journalists who are embedded with, like, the Taliban, I'm sure you can find examples of them being like, all right, we're about to move from here to here when they're doing their. Their coverage. So that's just a little bit more and, you know, also, when there's an event happening of public interest, I don't like. Yeah. That. I like to have journalists in the room. And so I don't like the idea that it'll be a race to the bottom and sending people. I've done this spiel about Lemon a million times, but I think you're generally correct, Jesse. Not signing off on that was the judge that didn't sign off on that was insane. Insane. So, Jesse, you're. You're right about this. Overall, Dunn says. So you interviewed Trump on the Megyn Kelly show or you were on Joe Rogan? Pick one. Interview Trump or go on Rogan? I don't know the answer that. I mean, I love Rogan, I guess. I guess probably. I don't know. That's a good question. It would depend on what we're talking about on Rogan. The thing with Trump is that everybody interviews Trump, and he is probably the hardest person to interview. There's no real art to interviewing Donald Trump, except if you are not. If you're not just spewing anger and hatred at him. Anyone who just meets that basic fundamental is going to have a really similar interview. So I don't know that I could offer something completely different with Trump than a lot of great reporters on the right who've had the chance to sit down with him have had, like, the. Like, I don't know that I would be able to bring something totally different to the table. And, of course, it's everybody's dream to interview the President of the United States. So I would love to do it. And I. I actually hope that I do get a chance to do it, especially when there's a topic in the news that, you know, is maybe an area where I probably could bring something different to the table. So maybe it would depend on the timing, you know, what's going on in the news cycle. Good question. Here, Done. All right, this is Tony, who says thank you for your interview with Marjorie, Dan and Felser, which I found incredibly helpful. I've been very concerned about the DOJ case against Louisiana abortion pills and the fact that these can be legally sent to states with strong abortion restrictions. The message seems to be, abortion is bad, but fine if you do it with pills. Oh, I agree. That's so true. The comments on ICE last weekend are also nuts. The idea that no one is illegal on stolen land makes no sense. As a Native American, I find that deeply problematic. My ancestors were forced from their homeland because illegal immigrants occupied it. Not sure how no one is Illegal makes that any better? Or how Grammy artists are somehow exempt from occupying stolen land. Tony plugs his website. I did get a chance to check it out, Tony, but not too, too deeply. The website, if anyone else wants to check it out, is make America affordable again.info and then Tony asks, giving the surprise election results in Texas last weekend. I feel this is an incredibly important issue and I feel that Republicans are struggling to respond. Are there any Republicans you might recommend I contact to share this? Oh, the website. Would it help? Write an op ed for it. And Tony, I'll follow up with you over email. You'll probably have my email by the time you hear. Um. All right. John says, why FOIA yourself? Because we were talking on Monday about Epstein FOIA ing a request on himself. And John goes on to say, I don't care much about the Epstein file stuff, but wanted to share a reason why someone might file a FOIA on themselves. He tells a story about his own situation and. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Going through this. It's a, It's a very interesting story. A long story, but an interesting story. However, when I asked them to send me a copy of the report. So this is reports going back and forth trying to prove a case about this was with the New Jersey Department of Fish and Wildlife. Like I said, very interesting story. They, they said they couldn't get a copy of the report, but I could file a FOIA request if I really wanted to see it. I never did, but it appears that the standard policy where even the subjects of investigations aren't entitled to completed reports as a routine matter, but need to go through the FOIA process. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This happens all the time. John. This is a really good example and it's a great point. People have to foil themselves sometimes just to get government documents. And if I'm remembering correctly, I've worked with students before who have had to like FOIA themselves through local governments and even schools again, if I haven't done that in a long time. But sometimes to see what the administration was saying about trying to shut down a speaker they were bringing in or their conservative club on campus, that sort of thing. So, yes, it's, it's actually a very good idea to FOIA yourself if you're engaged in this kind of local work. Like, actually a very, very good idea. What Epstein was doing was foiaing the. He was also looking at. He was also requesting some information from nsa, which I'm working on a story, not a story, but trying to get to the bottom of now too. But he FOIAed the FBI and the CIA for what appears to be. Mike Ben said a whole thread on this. It, it appears to be him. We don't have his foia. We might be able to get this FOIA now. Actually not. They would, you know, eagerly comply with that. They might slow that walk that for years. But he was, he was foying seemingly it was a little different than like the average. Let's just FOIA what this person has. It was a, it was a little different than that. I'm actually even just going to pull this up because it's in the document itself. Yeah. So the CIA responded to him in 2011. We searched for CIA originated responsive records that might reflect an open or otherwise acknowledged agency affiliation existing from November 1999 to July 2011. We were unable to locate any information or records. So what it sounds like from that is this is Martin Weinberg, Epstein's attorney. Epstein had his attorney foia, the CIA and the FBI for records that might reflect an open or otherwise acknowledged agency affiliation. Which is very, very interesting and I've been talking to people to try and with who are aware of this world, from this world. But what might have been going on there. And one theory is that it's a warning shot. So if you're looking for documents that reflect a relationship open or acknowledged that is a little bit different than like foiling just to see what they've talked about with you or to get a reporter, that sort of thing. He was specifically asking, I probably didn't explain this very well. On Monday he was specifically asking to see if they would be able to public release any information related to whether he had an open relationship. An open relationship. An open relationship with the, the bureau and the agency. So one theory, there's the warning shot theory that he's saying listen, let's get you in trouble. Let's get all of us in trouble. This could be public. Or there's alternatively, I think it's important to note if you had no relationship with the FBI or the CIA. No. What's the word that this used here? An open or otherwise acknowledged agency affiliation. If you knew you had none of that, you would never file this foia. You would never have your legal team file this FOIA because there's no chance that any documents are going to come up. So this is I think an omission in and of itself. And it's possible, it's possible that he was looking to see what might be accessible by journalists or others. Maybe he could even use it. To drum up business. Something like that. But. But yeah, it's really, really wild. Let's see a couple more here. Cecilia says, did you know that Pinterest has a report option for white supremacy? Screenshot attached. I may have a parasocial relationship with you, given as soon as I noticed this after accidentally misclicking the report button, reading this option, I thought of you. Holy smokes. This is really funny. This is really funny. If white supremacists have Pinterest boards, that's. That's incredible information. If they are like, I'm just picturing in my head right now, like some, you know, KKK Grand Dragon having his Pinterest board, like the type of wood they're going to use for the cross. What a cross burning. And the. Their favorite fabric and where they get their stickers. I mean, it's. If that exists. If that exists. It sounds like a real window into a very pathetic community of freaks. So maybe I now need to search Pinterest for that. I never go on Pinterest. I have zero experience on Pinterest, which makes me a very unusual millennial woman, I realize. But I get why people like it. I've just. Just never use it. So this whole interface, there's a screenshot attached. It's all very foreign to me. I think I created a fake Pinterest for a friend once in college. Also, Cecilia says, I first and foremost want to say that your show has been my greatest finds. I feel like I learned something every time I listen to you and appreciate how reasonable you consistently are. I feel like I found someone that verbalizes my thoughts on the current state of the country so well, even if I did not share each and every viewpoint in this day and age, it's a comfort, all the more so because you were fellow Midwesterners surviving on the East Coast. And Celia, that is very sweet. Thank you, thank you, thank you. And then Celia asked. I'd love to hear your recommendations for keeping up with the news, your daily reads and listens, your weekly. I pride myself on being well informed and well read, but there's so much news at all times, and I find it very easy to get so bogged down and come away with nothing of substance. Would love to hear your thoughts. Okay, so I think by far and away, the best place to keep up with the. With the news is Twitter X, of course, now. And you can make lists on X of very targeted people who post about the news regularly from a good vantage point. And then you can combine them all together in one place. So that's where I think it's just. You can get the tick tock minute by minute. You also now X has a. What do they technically refer to it as? I'm going long today, but I don't even care. They have the for you tab, which I think is still like, I think there was briefly. See Twitter changes so much. They briefly had an option a couple of weeks ago to just get a like minute by minute, like what X used to be. And I love that so much because you can dip in and see what's happening minute by minute. So anyway, either way, I think X is by far the best place for that. And I just. That's why now. The reason is now it is so important to follow absolutely every. Not every, but as many publications as you can reasonably and so create a mosaic for yourself of, you know, New York Times, Washington Post. The shortcut I find, especially on a big story like ICE is I would go read Jacobin or the Nation's coverage and then I would go read the Federalists coverage or you know, Andy McCarthy at National Review or, you know, one of those places I would go look at what Will Chamberlain is saying from Article 3 project. And then on the right. Such a sharp lawyer. But that's a good example. Like you just gotta develop people who are good on certain topics. And there's honestly I, you know, do the Megyn Kelly wrap up show. So part of my job is listening to Megyn Kelly every day and the show every day. She has an incredible news judgment. So the stories that she covers, I feel like are stories that really matter to the average person on the center. Right. Maybe even just on the center too. So I find a lot. It's very helpful to listen to Megan because the guest that she has such a good roster of people. But yeah, my shortcut trick is to find someone you trust on if it's immigration or foreign policy, whatever. On the far left. Far right. Not really the far, but kind of populist. Populist. Right. Maybe those are good ways to put it. You know, not MSNBC versus Fox, but somebody who's like really a. One of the. Just find that for a bunch of different issues and then. Or someone who comments on every issue and he's really sharp. Just. That's my shortcut advice. But otherwise I would say just compile a good, A good Twitter list of publications and keyword search on Twitter. That's really, really, really helpful. So if I'm trying to like during the Alex Preddy thing, you know what I was doing was going on Twitter search function and searching Alex Brady or searching Nicolette Ave. Right. I think that's the street where it happened. And everyone who was on the ground was like, this just happened on Nicolette Ave. That's what they were posting. So then everything you search for Nickelodeon, it comes up and you see the videos, you see the commentary, the reactions and, you know, analysis, it all is in one place. So sadly, I can't recommend X enough for following the news is a very, very helpful tool. I wish it weren't built like a casino or a video game. I think it's very damaging to our brains. I think short form video we're going to come to realize it's very damaging to our brains, unfortunately. But for news, there's just no better place to be. Anyway, let's see. Okay, one more here for the emails. Then I have a couple Instagram ones. This is about. So James says the nominee for the Democratic Party will be Kamala Harris. And I will explain why. Goes on to say she wasn't given a fair chance will be the battle cry. If you think for, for a second that voting base will tolerate Gavin Newsom standing in the way of Harris getting her, quote, fair shot, you're crazy. They will make it very clear that if she isn't the nominee, they're staying home on election day. And this is in reference to black women. James's theory is that black women will say you have to give Kamala Harris a fair chance. And she's leading the polls, James says, at 31 currently, and the party is faced with a lose, lose situation. I don't know. I mean, I think she's probably going to be more formidable than people realize. My sense of the Dem nomination is that it's a dark horse right now. That like the likeliest candidate is a dark horse candidate right now. It's probably not Newsom or Harris, but maybe it's like an Andy Bashir or someone that just maybe it's a business person who throws their hat into the ring. I don't think it's like Buddha, Judge Harris or Newsom. That's just, it's just how I'm seeing it right now. I get your point, James, that there are people who still clearly want to kind of weaponize the identity politics part of it. But Kamala Harris herself, yes, she's. She, she's still invoking it, you know, and it's annoying, but she shied away from that too. So I don't know how much she wants to lean into that. And I Don't know how much consultants would tell her to lean into that. Meaning would she even activate that kind of cohort by talking about it a bunch? I don't know. It's an interesting question. It's an interesting point, James. We will see. My gut instinct is that it's a dark horse candidate, like I said, but, you know, everyone who makes presidential predictions is proven wrong. Of course. Let's see. Let's go to. Got a couple Instagram questions here. Texan says, do you think mainstream media is no longer cbs, cnn, Fox, etc, but podcasts? I don't think there's anything, anything that we could describe as mainstream anymore. Because if it means they represent the mainstream, mainstream media, quote unquote, has not done that for years. Molly Hemingway, I like, feel like she appears like Beetlejuice every time I say mainstream media without saying quote unquote, mainstream media. It's like Ollie's buckaboo. And she's totally right about it. You know, I use it sometimes as a shortcut because everybody knows what you're saying when you say mainstream media. It's just better to say corporate media, legacy media, liberal media. But I think it's mixed. So ideologically there's never really been a mainstream media, but. Or not in a very long time since the real, like, heyday of mass media, in terms of, like, mathematically mass media and mathematical monoculture. To the extent that we could quantify what that meant. But on a, like, let's see, in terms of like, viewership and all of that. Yeah, I mean, I still think there are some really big corporations that have incentives. Like the Washington Post right now is trying to be mainstream, right? They're trying to represent the mainstream. CBS right now is trying to represent the mainstream, meaning they're trying to capture that median, those people that are, you know, kind of reasonable on both sides or reasonable in the center. And the problem with that is you have to really do it. I think you have to really do it from a ideologically transparent angle. There are just too few people that can do the Voice of God thing and everyone's clustering in their own niches, their own silos. And I think the Post is going to try to use AI to bring, like, mainstream into people's silos and to try to do both at once. We'll see how that works. But no, I think it's not that podcasts have overcome the quote unquote, mainstream, but it's that podcasts are now almost as powerful, probably as powerful overall. So the, the legacy media is still really powerful. They're just not nearly as powerful as they used to be. And the podcast Sphere, YouTube Sphere is now much more powerful. I think they're. They're kind of rivals now. I actually think that's been a good thing. Right, because in the podcast world, I'm not saying everybody has to be organized like a traditional bureau, but there's something still good about having, you know, people with the money and the resources and the legal coverage, all of that. To have bureaus in Moscow or Beijing or even Ukraine and other places, like, that's not something that most podcasts have or set up to do. And so I think it's good that the, like, legacy guys have competition from people doing much better coverage, even if they're not on the ground. Like Sagar and Jetty run circles, runs circles around the foreign policy analysts and reporters at cnn. And you're going to be much better informed if you watch Sagar than if you just watch cnn. But soccer doesn't live in. He doesn't live in Moscow, he doesn't live in Beijing, he doesn't live in Caracas. So there's something I think still helpful about that in this transition period where, you know, I can read what the Associated Press people on the ground in Donpa, in Donbas are saying, like they're attempted a wire report. And I'll be like, well, okay, so these people are probably talking more to US Government and US intel and the like, and just kind of take that for what it is and then, you know, go listen to Sagar's analysis of it. But, yeah, I think it's still good that there are places that have resources to put people on the ground and that they now have the competition that should theoretically at least light a fire under them, Even though it's 10 years in, it's slow movement. All right, last question. Who is your favorite intellectual? Camille Paglia. Holy smokes. This is the longest happy hour I've ever done. We're over an hour, man. There's a buildup of a lot of questions, and I suspect the same will happen while I'm gone over the next few days. But yes, Camille Paglia is my favorite intellectual because she brings a. A vigor and a careless. Carelessness and a passion to important topics that go ignored or. What's the right word? Downplayed or, you know, seen as too populist by a lot of the academic establishment. And when I said carelessness, by the way, I mean that, like, in the sense that she does not care what the academic establishment thinks and that's what I meant by that word. You know, she's. She's very careful with her own words. And I used to assign, when I would have journalism students, I used to assign this great piece Polya wrote about how the casino like atmosphere of this was like 2002 for, I think, Salon. The casino like atmosphere of a web page as opposed to a book, like where you have ads blinking in your face. She loved that. She said it was like Vegas, if I'm remembering correctly. And she talked about how to write for the Internet. She's a very, very careful writer and really an artist in. In that respect. But I think her sexual Persona is one of the most important things to. It's. I really think of it as also like a treatise on tech, even though I don't think it thinks of itself that way or that she would think of it that way. Maybe she would now. I interviewed her once too, and it was just incredible. Incredible. So that's. I feel like she's not writing as much of late, but yes. My. My favorite intellectual is Camille Paglia. All right, that's gonna do us. Do it for us on today's edition of happy Hour. Today's longest ever edition of Happy hour. Oh, my goodness. It's not like I have to pack or anything. I'm probably procrastinating. That's probably what this is all about. All right, appreciate it. Emilymcaremedia.com is my email address. We'll be back next week with more after party. Enjoy the super bowl, everyone. Have a good one. And we will see you back on Monday with another of the show. They say if you want to go fast, go alone. But if you want to go far, go together. At Amica Insurance, we're built for our customers and prioritize your needs. Visit amica.com and get a quote today.
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