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After Party with Emily Jashinsky
Trump’s Iran Reset, Vance’s Alien Bombshell, and the Darkness of Hollywood, with Billy Hallowell, PLUS Don Lemon for President?!
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Emily Jashinsky opens the show with a look at President Trump’s address on Iran and is joined by Billy Hallowell, a CBN host, author, and journalist with a new documentary out now called “Investigating the Supernatural: Angels and Demons.” Emily and Billy discuss President Trump’s attempt to reset the narrative on Iran and tensions inside the Republican coalition. Billy also shares an interesting story about the time he went to Trump Tower before Trump ran for President and had a meeting with him about Pastor Saeed Abedini who was being held by Iran at the time and how Trump helped the family with no fanfare. Then the conversation turns to Billy’s new documentary and Vice President JD Vance’s suggestion that aliens could be demons. Billy explains how his documentary takes a look at many unexplained encounters and what noted scientists told him. They also discuss the Artemis II launch, reports of a religious resurgence among young people, the growing controversy surrounding missing ...
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Finding Find out how@startwithhope.com brought to you by the National Council for Mental well Being, Shatterproof and the Ad Council. Welcome to After Party, everyone. It is the show for people who like their news a little later and a little lighter. But of course, tonight it's not going to start off light at all. The president is scheduled to give remarks billed as a, quote, update on the war in Iran right at 9pm so we're on breaking news duty tonight and our guest is Billy Hallowell. So before I go much further, I just want to say please do support our journalism by subscribing on YouTube. Make sure to subscribe wherever you get your podcast. Remember to, like, comment and leave us a review to boost us in the algorithm so that other people see the content too. That's all so helpful. We are going to keep tonight's show a little bit loose, but I can promise you we're going to get to Don Lemon. We have to get to Don Lemon. He has an incredible new clip where he thinks that he could become a media mogul or maybe even president of the United States. The sky is the limit here. That is the American dream and that's what we want for Don Lemon. But what we want for all of you is that you actually get to see the clip. The Artemis 2 launch happened just a couple of hours ago. It's a very, very busy breaking news evening. Another high level scientist is missing and Easter is around the corner. So it's great to have Billy Hollowell of CBN joining us today tonight. Now, the president is actually speaking as I'm speaking and what we are going to do is we're paying some attention to what's coming out of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue right now. I think the president was trying to undercut After Party by announcing a 9pm speech. I don't know I don't want to sound like Don Lemon, but that's my theory at the moment. We'll see. But we'll go ahead. Let that cook for a few minutes. I'm expecting this to be 10, 20 minute speech, something like that. But in the meantime, let's get some reaction to what we're hearing. So far, not a lot of breaking news out of the White House. The president seems to be making in his argument on his own terms about the war. Some people expected maybe it would be announcing a withdrawal of NATO. He teased that it might have something to do with NATO. Some people expected it would be an announcement of boots on the ground. There were many people actually that expected. If the president is going live to the nation in a televised address, that seems like a good indication that potentially there are going to be boots on the ground. But so far, that's not what we're seeing from the President. So let's go ahead. We're gonna take a quick break and then we're gonna bring in Billy Halliwell for some reaction to the President's speech from the White House this evening and much, much more. Billy's out with a fascinating new documentary. So we're going to cover some comments from Vice President J.D. vance about what he thinks. And now this is a man with access to lots of classified information. What he thinks is coming out of some of these extraterrestrial developments, if we want to call them that. Is there really a Christian revival happening? Really is. Is that actually happening? Is there nuance? Artemis 2 We're going to get to all of it with Billy. And then, of course, I'm going to get to Don Lemon, the most important news of the day. So we'll take a break and be back with Billy in just one moment. Over the years, I've been clear about this. I'm not just pro birth, I'm pro life. And being pro life means standing with mothers not only before their baby is born, but long after. And that is exactly why I partner, partner very proudly with preborn. Preborn doesn't just save babies. They make motherhood abundantly possible. They provide free ultrasounds and share the truth of the gospel with women in crisis. And then they stay with real practical help, including financial support, for up to two years after the baby is born. This is what true Christ centered, true Christ centered compassion looks like. Not just for the baby, but for the mother, too. So here's where you can make a difference. Just $28 provides a free life saving ultrasound. One chance for a mother to See her baby. This is a true statistic. When she does, she's 20, twice as likely to choose life that is so powerful. Preborn is trying to save 70,000 babies this year. So don't just say you're pro life. Live it. Help save babies and support mothers today. Go to preborn.com emily or call 855-601-2229. That's preborn.com emily.
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Emily
All right, we're joined now by my friend Billy Hallowell. He is a CBN host and author, author of a book I recommend all the time. It's right behind me. It's called Playing with Fire. He also has a new documentary out. It's called Investigating the Supernatural, Angels and Demons. Billy, thanks for being here.
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Billy Hallowell
Thanks for having me.
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Emily
Billy, you cover American politics, you cover Trump. So the president appears to still be speaking at his address this evening, but actually it looks like it just wrapped. But I wanted to get your take as a student of Trump.
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Billy Hallowell
Yeah.
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Emily
Does it seem like what? Does it seem like what he was doing was trying to reset the argument that he saw the trend lines going? I wanted to see if maybe, I don't know if I'm wrong on this, but what I got from that speech is that he's a month into the war, basically to the day, and he's trying to reset the conversation on his own terms so that his argument is injected into the bloodstream of the media conversation.
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Billy Hallowell
Oh, absolutely. And I think what you have is a war weary country. We don't, you know, we don't want to see war. The public is against it. And he's recognizing that and seeing that and seeing how complex this is, the, how fractured, you know, the Republican Party is and conservatives are right now on a lot of these issues, which is a big problem for him on this. Obviously, the country as a whole, having those complex feelings. You know, it feels to me like this is sort of damage control. Let's try to get people in, help them understand. And that has nothing to do with whether or not this is the right move. Right. There are right moves in politics and then there are political moves. And so he's trying to navigate that this is, this is a person who was not a politician the first time, who prided himself on not having any wars start under his tenure. Now we're in a second term, not consecutive terms. And so a lot of time passed in between there where he developed into a politician. This is now a politician, a businessman turned politician who has to make very tough decisions. And I think this is a political move tonight.
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Emily
It's a good point also that you just made about divisions in his own party which haven't translated into polling among Republican voters. I mean, Republican voters who identify as MAGA are overwhelmingly behind him. It's obviously a problem for him that independents are flagging. One quote that he had in the speech. He said, we are going to hit them extremely hard over the next two to three weeks. We're going to bring them back to the Stone Ages where they belong. Billy. So I don't know if we can technically define that as an escalation, but I think he's probably sensitive to his own administration's messaging. I mean, even his biggest supporters know that the earliest days of the war, you kind of had Marco Rubio out there. You had Trump himself out there. Trump himself, as he negotiates, says different things. The war is over. We're going to keep bombing. It's. It's kind of all over the map. So it sort of does make sense then that he wants to prepare the public for additional short term pain at the gas pump and to see more bombing in the Middle east since he said we're going to hit him hard over the next couple. Couple of weeks.
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Billy Hallowell
Yeah. You know, and something, you made such a good point there about Republicans because you don't see it in the polling, but what you. In the overall polling.
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Emily
Right.
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Billy Hallowell
But where you do see it is in the anecdotal conversation about Israel. Right. And about these other issues. Right. There's these splintering on, on other issues that haven't necessarily overtaken his ability to really connect with Republicans overall. But there's a danger there because Israel's become such a big dividing point among some conservatives for a lot of different reasons. And really independence the entire country. Right. This has become a dividing point. So I'm going to be very interested to see where that goes and if the intensity of that, if the perception is. And by the way, I actually don't personally think this is accurate, but if the perception is that Israel dragged America into this war and, you know, that's sort of a narrative that we're seeing among some people. This is something Trump was talking about in the. You've seen that clip floating around. I mean, Trump's been talking about Iran for years and years and years. He was very Vocal Back in 2012, 2013, when Saeed Abedini, an American pastor, was taken captive in Iran. He spoke out back then. I interviewed him about it at the time, before he was president.
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Emily
Did you really?
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Billy Hallowell
I did. I did.
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Emily
You did? Tell us about that. What year was this?
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Billy Hallowell
This. It must have been 2014. Actually, I'm trying to think back because obviously that whole scenario with Saeed Abedini was a big deal. Obama was president. Trump was very critical of him at the time. And this was around the time where all the birther stuff was going on, you know, all of that. But I was invited to go to Trump Tower, and I win. And I was supposed to sit in on a meeting between sides. Wife at the time and Trump, and they were. He was going to meet with her. He was obviously speaking out, saying, Obama's not doing enough to release this American pastor. And I got to Trump Tower on time, but she had already left. And so it was one of the most interesting experiences I ever had because I ended up going into his office and just observing him was very fascinating and how he worked. But one of the things that struck me, and I've shared this story now because Saeed Abedini, since being released, has shared that Trump had given his wife a $10,000 check to help her family. But when I was there, that piece of information was shared by Trump. He said, you know, I gave her a check for $10,000. And he asked that I not report on it at the time. And I thought that was really interesting for a number of reasons. Think whatever you want about Trump. But my assumption would be if he wrote a $10,000 check to somebody, you would assume he'd be like, oh, this is great. I'm stupendous. I'm wonderful. I did this nice thing. And he did not want that being reported. And I made a decision at the time not to report it. Because it didn't really have anything to do with the story. And so I respected that. And it wasn't until Saeed came out and said that that I then started talking about it. But it showed me a different side of him that was interesting. And I bring that up because he seemed to have, again, people have different opinions on Trump. He seemed to have a real compassion and interest in Christians being mistreated in other parts of the world. Right. And that translated over into this kind act that he did for Saeed's family that he didn't want being reported. So, anyway, just an interesting little tidbit of information back from that time.
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Emily
No, that's actually really interesting because to the point you made about the divide, particularly in conservative media, Trump is, I took from his speech tonight, somewhat sensitive about claims that he flip flopped and that he said no new wars. No new wars, while he was also being really hawkish on Iran. And I think a lot of voters that are more independent, probably like you would call them the bro podcaster, which I don't like that label, but the bro, whatever it is like the broadcaster demo, you know, people who, who are like, they're like Andrew Schultz or they're like a Tim Dillon or Shawn Ryan, like in that type of vein, people who took no new wars as I'm going to exhaust every possible avenue to a resolution that doesn't involve violence. And Trump mentioned that. He said, basically, I was trying to do this peacefully through diplomacy. So it sounds, Billy, like he's actually somewhat sensitive to that criticism and is again trying to reset the conversation on his terms.
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Billy Hallowell
Yeah, well, and listen, we all hate war. Nobody wants to see war happen. But I do think that we have to have an honest conversation about the fact that we have a country that just slaughtered tens of thousands, purportedly slaughtered tens of thousands of their own people, that you have a country that not only is are they slaughtering their own people, they have again and again and again funded terrorism around the globe. They have pledged to wipe Israel off the map, and they've taken steps to try and do that. I mean, October 7th, you know, obviously with ties to Iran there as well. And we've seen this again and again and again. And so I do think there's a real conversation that has to be had and people will come to different opinions on what they think should happen here.
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Emily
And.
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Billy Hallowell
But the idea that this was just some country doing its own thing and we should just let them live and do their. Well, that's not really what was happening. They were sowing Discord and chaos. And part of that has to do with their ideology and what they're trying to do. And, I mean, there's so many complex elements to this. It does seem like again and again, they have tried to avoid this. But how, how long are you going to talk about the same country and the same issues and watch horrific events unfold before somebody does something to try and stop that? Now, I don't want to oversimplify it, but I do think that this is something. I can't imagine that the Trump that we saw first term. Right. That really didn't want new wars, would flippantly enter into wars for no reason. Right. That doesn't, that doesn't feel like it tracks regardless of what people think about him, because for all the people who said he was crazy and unhinged and he's, you know, he was very restrained on these issues. So I'm, I'm trying to be very fair as I watch this. Now, the, the fear, of course, is that you end up in a situation like, you know, Iraq or Afghanistan where at the end of the day, it's worse than it was sometimes before we went in. But I do think this is a little bit of a different situation for a variety of reasons, and Trump seems
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Emily
to be really intent on making that point. Yeah. And just as we wrap up this conversation, that's my position, is not that Israel dragged us into the war. I mean, I think if we didn't have a Likud, hawkish leader in Benjamin Netanyahu as an ally right now, the United States would probably. Who. Who was supportive of the US Going to war. We would probably want to be. There are people in our government that would want to go to war anyway. They have agency. Trump has agency. And he certainly makes his own decisions, Billy. We know that. All right, well, thanks so much for being nimble on the breaking news. We do want to talk about some big developments, and they go perfectly with your documentary, which folks can go ahead stream. Right now. We have a trailer that I want to roll of the documentary, and then I want to get you, Billy, to talk to us a little bit about where people can find it. First of all, though, just a preview of what's to come. The Artemis 2 launch happened just a couple of hours ago, and that brings with it a broader conversation of scientific development, space exploration and the like. So let's go ahead first, take a look at the trailer for investigating the supernatural from Billy.
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Billy Hallowell
Is there a spiritual war going on around us? Are angels and demons real? Let's Investigate.
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Emily
In all ancient cultures, people believe in a spiritual wrong. And I was struck that all throughout history, the vast majority of cultures not only believed in evil spirits, but believed in possessions. And every major religion believes in angels.
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Billy Hallowell
Believe.
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Billy Hallowell
But to say you believe in angels, demons is oftentimes to expose you to ridicule. Like, you sound like somebody from the Middle Ages.
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Many scientists just write it all off saying, this is just people's imaginations. They're hallucinating, they're having dreams. None of this is real.
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Emily
All right, so you can go stream that on cbn. It is super, super interesting. But as if to prove a point, that one of your guests, one of the people you interviewed in that trailer, Billy, said, you expose yourself to ridicule. Well, Vice President J.D. vance did an interview with Benny Johnson just a few days ago where he weighed in on this question and invoked the D word, demons. Let's go ahead and take a listen to what Vice President Vance said.
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Billy Hallowell
I don't think they're. I don't think they're aliens.
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Vice President J.D. Vance
I think they're demons anyway. But that's a longer discussion.
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Billy Hallowell
Well, I can't let you go without that.
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Emily
So you think they're demons?
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Vice President J.D. Vance
Well, look, I think that celestial beings who fly around, who do weird things to people, I think that the desire to describe everything celestial, everything is otherworldly, to describe it as aliens. I mean, every great world religion, including Christianity, the one that I believe in, has, has understood that there are weird things out there and there are things that are very difficult to explain. And I naturally go when I hear about sort of extra natural phenomenon. That's where I go to is the Christian understanding that, you know, there's a lot of good out there, but there's also some evil out there. And I think that one of the devil's great tricks is to convince people he never existed.
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Emily
Billy, we had a conversation roughly on this topic a couple weeks ago on the show. And I got a couple emails being like, people being like, I thought you were, you know, a serious person. And then you had this discussion. I just would like to invoke Rod Drehr and other people have made this point as well that in any other time, if you heard some of these stories about experiences with crafts and the like, people would have said, oh, that's a demon. So tell us what you found as you set out, like Indiana Jones, as you do in these investigating the supernatural episodes. Documentaries. What did you find?
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Billy Hallowell
Yeah, and by the way, if you want to Stream it@cbn.com supernatural you can watch right now. I will tell you, I am very skeptical as a person. I'm a Christian. I've been a Christian my whole life. I've always believed in these things in my mind. But I also struggle. Often when somebody says they've had these experiences, my first thought is, okay, well, you have to prove that to me because I'm not going to just believe that you've had. You've had some sort of crazy demonic experience. When it comes to the alien topic, I think this is really interesting because if you had said to either of us probably five years ago that we're going to be sitting here talking about aliens and that a sitting vice president would have said that he believes that aliens are demons, we would have laughed probably and said, that's not going to happen. But what is happening right now is there's a massive conversation. We'll start with the alien topic. This disclosure push that's been coming. You know, when you make a documentary or a film, you're working a year or two ahead of time. And so when we were planning this, we had to say, okay, we're doing a film on angels and demons. But we do have to address aliens to a degree. And we do in the film, because culture is going to be talking about this. I had no idea. I mean, this film just came out that we would be releasing it while J.D. vance. I mean, I was texting Benny earlier about this and I was saying, wow, really interesting conversation, you know, with JD on this. But, but here's, here's the thing. Hugh Ross, Dr. Hugh Ross, who we have in the film, you saw him a little bit in the trailer. He has looked at so many cases, probably more than Anybody, of these UFOs, UAPs, they're referred to now, these, these claims of alien abductions. And it's really interesting because he will say he's an astrophysicist, he will say that the vast majority of them are explainable by natural phenomena, but there's this residual percentage that are not explainable. And what he has found. And this is, and we get into this in the film, it is so interesting. If you have a physical aircraft going through the sky, right, you would have a sonic boom. A sonic boom never exists when it comes to these UFO sightings. It never exists. It is never heard. It is never observed. That is bizarre. It defies science. Now, there's also never a wreckage, right? There's always a Crash, but never a wreckage. And so that's interesting as well. Now of course, that, that goes to say, if you believe these things are actually happening, but there is a disturbance to vegetation, there's some strange things that are often left behind. Now one of the other things I'll mention, then I'll get into his theory on this and it, and it tracks with what J.D. vance is saying, actually the people who claim, and again, it seems laughable, but that they have had experiences with aliens, that they've had a close encounter of the third kind that's referred to in that way. Those people, their experience is remarkably similar to what people who claim to have had an experience with a demon. It's the same exact thing. They're never positive experiences. They're very similar hallmarks of what happens to those people. They're disturbed mentally, sometimes afterward. Now some would argue, well, they were disturbed beforehand and they're conjuring the whole thing up. You can make that argument. But there seems to be something happening here and people like Hugh Ross are observing it. And by the way, secular culture is observing it because guess what, everybody's talking about this and the majority of the country now believes in UFOs and aliens. So we have to have a conversation of what are people actually encountering or seeing. And so what Hugh would say is that this is actually a spiritual manifestation. It's demonic. It is not, it is not a physical one. So he does not believe that.
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Emily
And he's an astrophysicist by the way, just to reemphasize. He's an astrophysicist.
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Billy Hallowell
He is. And I just actually caught up with him again this week on on CBN and we were talking about this and he said he really thought that science would move away from the alien theory. He said, I thought that scientists as they discovered more would move away from it. But what's happening is science is moving closer to it. There are scientists who are saying, no, we believe that aliens exist. We believe there could be life on other planets. Again, that is not his position. His position is there's no evidence for that. The evidence points to something spiritual interdimensional happening. And again, this sounds like crazy science fiction, but we have to have an answer for it. And it's an interesting conversation at the very least.
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Emily
Well, yeah, and actually just hours ago, the Artemis 2 launch went off successfully down in Florida. They're on a 10 day trip circling the moon. The Trump administration is really excited about this because they see it as a kind of golden age marker that, you know, harkens back to mid century American greatness and is, you know, moving us, you know, in the right direction compared to the rest of the world that we're able to make some massive, massive steps towards space exploration, obviously. The President is now close once again with Elon Musk. He is surrounded by a lot of powerful people in the world of tech who are accelerationists and have some sort of wacky science fiction style ideas that are getting increasingly less wacky by the day. We should mention when it comes to how we can colonize the moon to talk about Elon for just one moment. But it struck me that one of the men aboard Artemis 2, Victor Glover, was quoted saying, we need Jesus whether on Earth or circling the moon. And Billy, I listened to a premiere unbelievable episode like, gosh, I wish I remembered which one it was. But it was a survey of all of the people who are at the tippy tippy top of their field in these highly advanced scientific niches. Astrophysics, a great example of that. Here's an astronaut, somebody who is one of the smartest people in the world. One of likely the most intelligent people, intelligent people to ever have lived. And, and here he is invoking his faith. I have to imagine that's an experience you've had as you've set out to investigate the phenomenon.
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Billy Hallowell
Yeah, you know, and I love that you're asking that because one of the things we've gotten a lot of questions on this series, investigating the supernatural. It's a three part film series that we started in 2023. The first film that you had me on to talk about last year, it was called, it was called Miracles. This one's investigating the supernatural, angels and demons. And then next year we'll do Heaven and Hell. We're not just taking all these stories and believing them at face value. We're bringing in people like Hugh Ross. We have, you know, and this was really interesting. Psychologists, psychotherapists, people who, when you're dealing with the angels and demons topic, have been brought in to do a fair assessment of people to see is this person mentally ill or are they dealing with something that can't be explained? And we went to great lengths because I'm skeptical of this. And so I was the one traveling around Jared Anderson, our director and our writer, he also is super diligent. I mean, we spent a lot of time looking at these stories and then finding experts to speak into them and what you will find, I mean, Dr. Richard Gallagher, for instance, he is a psychiatrist who teaches at Columbia University. He's Ivy League educated. He is one of the smartest guys around. He was brought in by the Catholic Church about 30 years ago to basically be that person who says, hey, are you experiencing mental health issues or is there something else going on? He was a skeptic who did not believe. And he told the Catholic Church, I'm the wrong person to do this. When they came to him and they actually said, no, you're the right person to do this, because we want somebody who's skeptical. And when he started investigating these cases of, you know, possession or spiritual affliction, he very quickly became a believer because he was finding things that were inexplicable. You could not explain them by natural phenomena. So I think what you're seeing when you have an astronaut like that who is stepping forward and saying, we need Jesus, and you're seeing all these scientists, they're seeing the complexity of the universe and the world in which we live, and they're recognizing that all of this had to have originated. All this order couldn't have come from disorder or chaos. It had to come from somewhere. At the very least, that's the baseline. And so we're in this really interesting era right now where I think people are looking for answers to to life questions and a lot of these supernatural topics that seemed so outlandish and crazy. When you have evidence that these things have happened and you can pull that together, it becomes almost this apologetic tool that brings people into faith because of that.
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Emily
Yeah, I feel like that's happening all around us. And before we take a break, I actually wanted to bring up this article in the Atlantic that published just today ahead of Easter Holy Week. Great timing for the article to pop. That's trying to figure out what's happening where you see this anecdotal evidence of revival, whether it's at Asbury or Latin Mass parishes in New York City. It's not showing up in the polling, but there's some nuance in it. So in the Atlantic, the article says, over roughly the last two the past two decades, Pew has conducted its Religious Landscape Study, a large scale survey about religious beliefs and practices in the US in 2007, 78% of US adults identified as Christians. By 2023, 62% did a drop driven largely by younger generations. 44% of respondents born in the 1990s, a mix of millennials and gen zers, identified as religiously unaffiliated, compared with 29% of respondents from all generations. But the decline began to slow around 2019. The percentage of adults who identified as Christian stabilized a bit above 60%. The nuns have held steady at around 30%. And Gallup found something similar. Political scientist Ryan Burge even found, quote, that the nuns had decreased slightly. Finally, just want to add, the Atlantic goes on to say to treat the stabilization as a revival overlooks that younger Americans are the least religious age group by many metrics. Members of Gen Z are less likely than people in other generations to profess belief in God without doubts. Gen Zers are also the least likely to attend religious services regularly and the most likely to never attend them. Many weren't brought up religious. Only 28% of adults born in the 2000s to highly religious families remain highly religious. And despite the claim that Gen Z men are leading resurgence resurgence in traditional Christianity, they are in fact simply leaving the church at a slower rate than women are. But the article interviews people like Bailey Burke, who is a coordinator for the St. Mary Student Parish up in Ann Arbor and said that there is greater interest in devotional life among the students she works with. Billy, I know that you've seen a lot of this and you've read about this in addition to doing reporting on it yourself. The Atlantic Cargo had an interesting quote about how students may not be. This was from a Catholic. They might not be Catholic, but they are turning to the priests for answers. They're asking the priests to tell them more about Christianity. And that gets to exactly what you're just saying. There's a curiosity that does seem piqued post Covid.
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Billy Hallowell
Yeah. And you know, I think this is interesting too, because the numbers and these are important stats to look at, right? When it comes to, I mean, younger generations are always less likely to believe and go to church and all that. The issue that we've had in recent years has been that millennials and Gen Z were even more, less likely. But there has been a shift. And you know, one of the things we have to be careful with anecdotals. But after Charlie Kirk's assassination, the weekend after, I was talking to Mike Signorelli, a pastor in New York City, and he was telling me he had 500 people come to faith that Sunday at his church. That never happens. There are, there are so many anecdotals that it creates a pattern that is, that is undeniable, that there is a shift. And here's what I actually think is happening. You have a situation where people have been lied to for so long, young people, and it started with millennials, and now it's gotten even worse for Gen Z. Lied to, told that moral relativism is the answer, that they can believe and do whatever they want, that that will lead to a path of wonderful life and they'll be happy. And they've realized that's a total lie. They're the first generation to really grow up with that and smartphones and all of that. And now they're really searching and they're looking and they're open and so we can unpack that more. But there's. There's a lot going on, and I think there are actually better numbers to look at than, oh, I call myself a Christian or not.
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Emily
Yeah, that's super, super interesting, Billy, and I think very, very helpful. Before we go to break, one more thing I wanted to get your take on. So the Daily Mail had a new article. Again, this was like, just within the last 24 hours. The headline here is Mystery of Scientists Dead or Missing Rises to eight, as two more men tied to America's most coveted secrets joined the list. Now, one of these is a suspicious death that the Daily Mail. It happened, I believe it was. It was last year. One is, it's a disappearance from 2020, a death from 2025, or I have it the other way around. Either way, they're not happening literally right now, but one both sort of suspicious. And when you start putting all eight of these cases together, the McCasland case and Neil McCaslin case is the one that's gotten the most attention. These are people who have worked on some of the highest levels of the. What's the right way to put it? They would have had the highest levels of access to information about what our government knows and is working on, or is trying to find out about extraterrestrial activities. Is there anything to this, Billy? Is it just fodder? Is it too soon to say what's going on?
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Billy Hallowell
You know, it's. It's so interesting because I am one of those people who's like, oh, there are no conspiracies, or traditionally, I've been that person. There are no conspiracies. But the last seven years have made me much more likely to say, I don't know. And I think, though, what's important to understand about this, what we're talking about here, is that these things could very well be disconnected, not connected at all. But it does feel like you have to consider foreign influence, foreign actors who want to find out information about what America is doing, our technology, all of our emerging technology. These are people who, outside of just the, you know, UFO and extraterrestrial life issue, these are people who know about our technology. And so there's a real thirst, I would assume, among our enemies to get to those people to find out that information. When people are disappearing, you know, an eyebrow or mysteriously dying, an eyebrow should always raise. And when you have up to eight people, I believe it is here who are either missing or who have died and we don't have a real explanation of what's going on, I think at the very least we should be looking at that to understand, is there a pattern in what is happening here? And look, I think sometimes silence is unhelpful. When there's silence and nobody's speaking out, everyone's wondering, well, what are they hiding? And they may very well hiding nothing, but it is straight. At the very least, it's a head scratcher and it's a little strange. And again, 10 years ago I would have been like, oh, there's nothing to see here. Now I'm kind of like, I just, I don't know. I mean, I don't know. And these are people who have a lot of important information. So if I'm, if I'm in that camp of other people like them, who fortunately haven't had the same issues they've had, I'd be concerned and worried probably if I were, if I were one of those people at this point.
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We're back now with more from Billy Hallowell. He is a CBN host and author. He has a new documentary out. It is called Investigating the Supernatural Angels and Demons. You can stream it at cbn. It's a really great piece of journalism for Holy Week in particular, as folks may be considering some of these foundational existential questions more sharply than normal. Billy, I wanted to get your reaction because this is about angels and demons and there's been so much conversation in the last few months, actually really the last like five plus years about whether America at its upper echelons is being influenced by demonic forces. I think, you know, as Christians we probably believe that just about every society is being influenced influenced by demonic forces, especially people who are rich and powerful. Because we know those two conditions can be kryptonite for people who are are following Jesus and just it's it's human nature in general. I saw this interview today with Jen Shaw, who you probably don't know who she is, Billy, but she's a real housewife of Salt Lake City.
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Billy Hallowell
I know who she is. I know who she is. Believe it or not, I do. From Utah. From Utah. Listen, I have my wife watches all these things so I know, I know she's seen these things.
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Emily
God bless your wife well, Chen Shah did a huge half hour interview with People magazine. She's just been released from prison and is trying to take accountability. She was basically involved in a conspiracy. The legal conspiracy was over fraud. Whether she was defrauding elderly people in scams and she was in prison. She was actually in prison with Ghislaine Maxwell, another high profile, rather interesting. And in her interview with People magazine she dished a little bit and said something slightly interesting.
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Joe Rogan
Was Ghislaine Maxwell, did you have any interactions with.
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Emily
Okay, once again, not working. Basically she's asked Billy if she had any interactions with Ghisaine Maxwell. And Jen Shaw said she made it clear that she had no remorse. While she was watching, for example, victims on the screen, she was dismissive of them. This is what Jen Shaw goes on to say in this, this conversation with People magazine. Candace Cameron Bure had a very interesting. This was March 10, did a very interesting little. I don't know if it's okay to call it a tangent, but she talked about an experience she had in Hollywood that led to.
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Billy Hallowell
It's a hard one to explain because I know the story. I know the story. Yeah, it's. Oh, good. Basically it's, it's what? It was a party that she was going to that a friend invited her, she and her husband to and it was sort of like an snm. It was, it was basically a sex party. I mean, that's what it was. When she got there, she was horrified by what she saw.
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Emily
Yeah. And we have the clip. Let's, let's go ahead, roll it.
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Candace Cameron Bure
Yeah, I went to a party once with Val because we were married and it ended up being this underground party that was an S and M like sex thing that was so dark and demonic. And we walked in and my eyeballs were popping out of my head because I saw stuff I've never seen before in my life. And I'm looking at Val going like, how, how are we here? What is happening? And the one person that invited us, but we made a hard U turn. Yeah. And walked right out of there and it just was like so slimy and weird. And I was like, we're going to pause before we ever say yes to going out with that friend again. We just had no idea what we were walking into and it was so disgusting and gross.
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Emily
But you know what's interesting to me about that, Billy, and you may know more because I think you probably know Candace, but it's so casual. I mean the stories are so casual. Oh, someone just invites someone else because they're another Hollywood figure and they're kind of used to this type of activity. One of the things that jumps out from the Epstein files is how many people were at this man's house, continued to go back to his house. And I think nobody even pauses to remember, or few people do, what the pictures of his Manhattan townhouse where they were gathering show the same thing with little St. James. I mean, they are riddled with deeply bizarre art. This is something that was revealed in Washington D.C. with the heather and Tony Podesta art collection. Now, that took some really unfortunate mutations in conspiracy land, but really disturbing, disgusting, repulsive art that people were mingling at just at normal, like happy hour events, book parties in Washington D.C. that's what jumps out to me from Epstein files and that Bure story.
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Billy Hallowell
Yeah. And Candace is a good, is a good friend, actually. And I will tell you, talk about reading the room wrong. You know, she's not a person you would ever invite to something like that. I mean, who's going to those things? Hey, but yeah, I love her. She's great. But, you know, I think, yeah, to, to your point, this darkness that sort of lurks in these places of power, right, in Hollywood media, you know, these sort of upper echelons of power, politicians and, and this is what breeds conspiracy theories, right? But then you start to see these things and you're like, wow, these things are really going on. And one thing for me that I have tried to do the last five years is pull myself back and really, look, I've been a Christian my whole life, right? I've read Ephesians six a thousand times. And if you're not a Christian, you're watching this and you're like, what is Ephesians 6? It's where the Apostle Paul talks about this dynamic of human existence in which we are in a spiritual battle. And it's actually interesting because we have become, I think in America, especially the last decade, consumed with fighting with each other. It's Democrats versus Republicans. It's me versus you. It's, we hate those people, Those people hate us. We're going to cancel everybody. And yet what Ephesians 6 says is that we're actually in a spiritual battle. It's not a battle between flesh and blood, but we are distracted and convinced that it is. And what's actually happening behind the scenes, and this will sound strange to somebody who doesn't have spiritual lenses, right? They're not looking at the world that way. But what's happening behind the scenes is this battle between good and Evil that is actually pouring over into our world. And a lot of the events. This is why you turn on your TV or you watch this show and you see what Emily's talking about, and you might say, wow, that is so evil. What happened in the news today. If you're not a Christian or you're not a person of faith, you have to ask yourself, what does it mean to be evil? Where does that come from? But there's this battle happening, and it's affecting not just. Just the political and social strata, but what's happening in our own lives even. And that is something that understanding that better, through doing these films, has actually helped me understand the world better and deal even with other people with whom I have profoundly different ideals and big differences. How do I treat those people? How do I deal with them in understanding that dynamic?
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Emily
Before you run, Billy, I want to play this Joe Rogan clip. Just since we're on this topic and you have a documentary out literally about angels and demons. I think there are some secular people to the point you just made and that we've been talking about this entire conversation. College students asking priests more about the faith. There's this curiosity about what explains why some people have been sucked into just utter depravity and so casually. And here's Joe Rogan on a recent episode of the Joe Rogan Experience with Robert Malone, who again, is another brilliant person with impeccable credentials. If you're. If you're trying to look at people's credentials, Robert Malone is a very, very, very intelligent, credentialed person. Talking about Epstein, when you see in
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Joe Rogan
the email, like, clear evidence that they're talking about children in. In pretty obscene ways, horrifying ways. My position on. Has completely shifted. I thought there's probably some really sick people that have an appetite for that, but I hadn't seen any real evidence for it until these files. And now they're like, oh, this is demonic. This is clearly demonic.
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Emily
The experiences that we've encountered over the last half a dozen years, it's hard
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Billy Hallowell
to come up with a language to
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Emily
express what we're observing in the world other than the language of theology.
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Joe Rogan
Well, demonic by action. So whether or not demons exist, if they did exist, that is how they would behave. They would prey on children and torture children.
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Emily
Wow, that is such an interesting comment, Billy. The last thing that Rogan said there, and I think he. He has been going to church, which was great, but I think it's probably also fair to describe him as like a. A skeptic or Somebody who's a seeker. Curious, but I'm a little less clear on that. Some of this is, is about 100%. Like the journalist in me can't say that it's 100% always about children or that 100% of it is about children. So I'm, I'm a little less clear on that. But there's some, I mean, just taking some of the art that Jeffrey Epstein having all these copies of Lolita and then doing what he's. I mean, it's just obviously some of it is targeted in really obscene, disgusting ways toward what we would probably describe as underage people. So to that last point he made, Billy, is that how a demon would act?
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Billy Hallowell
You know, one of the things that struck me both with Playing with Fire, the book that you were talking about when I first started looking at evil, you know, almost a decade ago, Nick now and then in this documentary, was that, you know, the hallmarks of Satan, right? What, what is the devil do? What is his goal? And what would demons be? What would the goal of the demons be? And the Bible was really clear. Satan comes to kill, kill, steal, destroy and confuse. And when you look at our culture, a lot of those attributes we see in the culture, in the issues that we address, in even the life issue, and you go down the line, you see those hallmarks. And so absolutely that is what you would see. And you also can look at the biblical narratives, you know, for, even for skeptics, if you want to understand the Christian mindset when people are possessed, how they're behaving and acting in scripture is beyond anything that you can imagine. It's, they're horrific stories. And actually in investigating the supernatural, angels and demons, we present modern day stories that reflect that and they have compelling evidence. But the point is, yes, I think that what he said there at the end, Malone, about, you know, that the language of theology is really the only way to explain what we're watching happen, happen right now. I actually just, you know, as we round out here, I think this is important to Note. Never, I'm 42 years old, never before in my lifetime have I seen that Ephesians 6 dynamic where you have glimmers of revival unfolding at the same time as some of the most horrific things. You're watching this battle between good and evil unfold in the news, in our politics, globally, in our own lives, even at a, at a level that we have not experienced before. And that dynamic should not be lost on us. I don't know what it means. I don't know where we are in the timeline of things. But what I do know is that that language of theology, that was such a beautiful way to put. To put this, because in order to understand what is happening, I don't think we can have a proper understanding of any of the events that are happening around us without seeing it through that Ephesians 6 lens. And that's just where I've arrived at this. And that is not. That is not me saying, oh, I'm a Christian. And that's why that is where the evidence has led me as I've been exploring these things and looking at them.
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Emily
Little spooky fun fact, Billy. I've been reading my Bible chronologically. I'm on Ephesians 6 right now.
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Billy Hallowell
Oh, wow.
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Emily
It's like one. It's like one page in my giant Bible. But obviously that is for our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore, put on the full armor of God. Billy. Where can people watch investigating the supernatural, angels and demons if their appetite has been wet, wet wedded by this?
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Billy Hallowell
Yeah. Cbn.com forward/supernatural. And when you're done with that, if you want to go back and look at our miracles film@cbn.com miracles you can watch both of them. But yeah, check it out. And I want to hear from people. I want you to push back if you don't agree. I want to hear your stories if you have them, reach out to us. We want to hear it all.
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Emily
Yeah. Worth going back and watch the miracles ones too, if you haven't. Great stuff on NDEs. So, Billy Hallowell, absolute pleasure to have you.
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Billy Hallowell
Thank you so much.
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Emily
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Emily
All right, we're going to round it off with Dan Lemon, who in a conversation recently with Alex Wagner, said some of the funniest shit he has ever said. And that is a very high bar for Don Lemon to clear at this stage of his life. Without further ado, I say let's just roll it. Let's hear what Don Lemon thinks his future could hold. Maybe president, maybe the head of a major media company. Either way, it's bright because his capacity for greatness knows no bounds. Lest you think otherwise, here's Don I
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Don Lemon
know people are going to think I'm crazy. This is going to be the headline and people are going to laugh about it. I think I could be President of the United States. I could definitely run this country better than, than, than Donald Trump.
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Emily
Paper towel, roll cut. But yeah, yeah, you would be a market improvement.
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Don Lemon
As an independent, though, there would be a hard time for me to run Sorbet because, you know, the way the system is set up, I'd have to choose a side. And so, you know, I probably, I probably would have to become a Democrat.
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Emily
That.
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Don Lemon
Am I at the point. That point now? No. And I know people are going to say Don Lemon was crazy, but yeah, look, why can't I think about running for office? Why can't I think about being President of the United States? When did anybody think Barack Obama, as he says, this guy with a funny name is from a mixed background. Did anybody ever think that he would become president? Do you know what else I think that I could run better than Barack Obama? A news organ, a news organization, because I was there. I've been in the game for so long and I'm not interested in being, you know, the anchor out front. I could come in and fix the bulk of their problems and lickety split in no time flat.
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Emily
Alex Wagner was literally like, what the. His head. Before he was live streaming the storming of a church, his head was already the size of Saturn. What has happened since where he was the subject of news over and over again? Because the big story for like a month was Metro Surge, Operation Metro Surge in Minneapolis. Given the chaos that was unfolding up there, Don Lemon became like the face of the resistance to Operation Metro Surge for weeks. And, and that brought him tons of subscribers. And listen, I hope you are all okay if you're subscribed to Don Lemon. If you subscribed after what he did in Minneapolis because you found him to be someone who is at the cutting edge, had his finger on the pulse of American journalism and the anti Trump resistance, maybe you're getting exactly what you're looking for. But if you're really looking for hard hitting investigative reporting, there are other places I would suggest you might be able to find it that aren't Don Lemon's channel. But you always heard him talking about like the Lemon heads. I probably listen to more Don Lemon than most people. But. But you would always hear him talking about the Lemonheads, which is like the five people who are his most hardcore subscribers who like buy his merch maybe. I don't even know if they buy his merch and chat with him every single day on his streams and the like. He was already doing that before, but then he became a resistance hero and people subscribed to as part of the anti Trump resistance. And what has happened to an already megalomaniacal Don Lemon is. I can't be sad about it because it's so damn funny. First of all, you can hate Donald Trump bitterly, deeply. You can have a de niro level hatred of Donald Trump. You still have to say, Don Lemon's resume includes working as a journalist for years. Donald Trump's involved business, like actually like big business deals. Do I, I'm not saying anything about the, the nature or the quality of those business deals. I'm saying the man was globetrotting, making, you know, high worth deals, high pressure deals, and again, not saying whether they were great deals, bad deals. We're not even going to get into that. That. The idea that Don Lemon, who has basically for the last like 10 years of his life just been doing pure commentary. I'm, I can say that because I almost do purely commentary. There's no part of me that would ever want the reins of the United States of America, of the presidency of the United States of America, nor would I think I would be qualified to do it. Nor would I ever threaten to inflict that on all of you good people. But Don Lemon not only thinks he would be better than Donald Trump, he just thinks he would be a good president. He also thinks that he would be great at turning a major media company around. That's fascinating to me because we've been critical, obviously, though I am nothing but impressed with the way the Free Press has built up as a, as a business with the way that the Barry Wise Free Press CBS News merger has gone. We've been critical on that, of this, on the show since basically day one. Don Lemon has a. Trying to think how mean to be here. An utterly mediocre YouTube channel that only has numbers right now because he found himself at the middle, in the middle of a firestorm because he decided to fly up to Minneapolis. I'll give him that. It was smart, but it was the big story in the news for a week. So not that smart. Put on his, his parka, get a little influencer microphone, suck up to some libs who were about to storm a church, let them bring him in on the plan, bring him into the church, and has ever since been become a resistance hero and a MAGA foe. That's all it took for Don Lemon. There was no grand strategy about it. And yet, yet he's like two months into this, like new success on YouTube. His channel was not successful before that. His independent media career, I think, listen, I don't know what his internal numbers were like. I think it would be crazy to describe it as successful beforehand. If you're describing success by influence, there was minimal influence on the discourse overall. But my other favorite part of that clip with Alex Wagner is he was like, I would probably have to register as a Democrat if he put a gun to my head. I guess I would have to register as a Democrat, but for Don, it would really be between, like, Democrat and progressive. Right? Like, his problem with Democrats is probably that they weren't angry enough about ice, which is funny because he was also doing the pull your pants up commentary circa, like 2014 around the Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown era of the sort of racial discourse in America. The guy doesn't believe in anything but himself, and that's never been more obvious. But if he thinks that he's the he right now because he's had two months of a surge on his channel, that he could be a great president and turn around a media network, a media company, I hope we get to see it. Frankly, I hope we get to see it. I hope somebody says he. You know what? This man is on to something. Don Lemon has maybe he has like a million subscribers now. I should check. I don't know how many Lemon heads are actually out there, but, you know, he's. He's got. He's at 1.27 million subscribers. He's. He's. Don, you're blowing me out of the water. And big ups to you. I think you should absolutely take the reins of a major media company and we'll see what happens. I look forward to buying a subscription and I look forward to covering your run for president, of course. All right, I'm gonna stop it there tonight. I could get you guys. I. I covered Don Lemon so much, I can't help it. But, Emily, caremedia.com is where you can find. Send me an email. I love to answer those on our weekly edition of the show called Happy Hour. That's only on podcast feed, so make sure you subscribe on Apple or Spotify, wherever you get your podcast. Thank you so much for tuning in. We really appreciate it. We will be back here on Friday with that audio only show and Then Monday at 9pm Eastern back here live on the channel. So please do subscribe so you never miss it. We'll see you soon.