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Michael Stelzner
Are you having a hard time keeping up with all the AI tools that are out there? Do you want to increase your productivity and enhance your creativity? If so, check out our free masterclass 25/AI tools that will change how you create content forever. You'll discover time saving AI tools that will make you a more valued marketer. Don't miss this. Live training taking place Thursday, May 1st. Register@Social Media Examiner.com AITools right now. Welcome to the AI Explored podcast, helping you put AI to work. And now, here's your host, Michael Stelzner. Hello, hello, hello. Thank you so much for joining me for the AI Explored podcast brought to you by Social Media Examiner. I'm your host, Michael Stelzner and this is the podcast for marketers, creators and business owners who want to know, how does this AI thing really work? Today I'm going to be joined by Chris Daigle and we're going to explore how to become an expert on AI in your company or even in your industry. If you've been dabbling and you see the opportunity and you're like, I really want to put a little flag in the ground here and kind of want to be known for this, then this is today's episode for you. Even if that's not you, I encourage you to listen cause there's some really cool tools that we talk about in today's episode. Also, if you're new to the show, be sure to follow us on your favorite podcasting app so you don't miss any of our future content. Let's now transition over to this week's interview with Chris Daigle, helping you simplify your AI journey. Here is this week's expert guide. Today I'm very excited to be joined by Chris Daigle. If you don't know who Chris is, he's the founder of Chief AI AIOfficer.com a consultancy, training and certification company that helps non technical business professionals become AI experts. His podcast, which I strongly recommend is Using AI at Work. Chris, welcome to the show. How you doing today?
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Chris Daigle
Thanks so much, Michael. This is a big opportunity and a big privilege, so thank you for the chance to communicate with your audience about AI.
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Michael Stelzner
I'm super excited that you're here today. Chris and I are going to explore how to become an AI expert in your industry, any industry, whoever's listening in your industry. So Chris, before we get into that, I'd love to hear your journey. Like how in the world did you get into AI? Start wherever you want to start and feel free to share that story.
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Chris Daigle
Born an entrepreneur, so always had that eye for opportunities. Most of my career has been in what I call growth architecture, consulting with companies, helping them remove dysfunction and scale their businesses. And when Chat GPT 3.5 came out in November of 2022 said, man, this is going to be a huge opportunity for somebody else. Because I just assumed that, you know, it required technical background or stuff that I just didn't have. I'm a non technical business professional and about a month later I saw some knucklehead using Chat GPT to do some amazing things. So hey, let me give it a shot. And that's. It's been on since then.
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Michael Stelzner
Well share a little bit more like what did you do after that aha moment?
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Chris Daigle
I think like a lot of people I'd been trained to use Google, right? So I kind of used it like Google and I was like, nah, it's okay. But what happened? I had that aha moment, right? I was using it to, I think at the time I was helping a client with a growth strategy and I started asking it questions and I just kind of went down the rabbit hole with it and I started to figure out how to calibrate my questions to get the type of answers that I got and realized this thing is doing work for me that would have taken me a week, a weekend for sure. And instantly I was hooked. I knew that with the proper understanding how to use these tools that I would have certainly an unfair advantage over anybody that was not using these tools. And that kind of opened the door for me to realize, hey, there's a lot of other people like me, non technical business professionals that probably just don't understand. They're a short step away from being able to really master their day for sure with the use of generative AI. And that led me to think about first I thought, hey, I'm just going to introduce this in my consulting business. And I had a mentor, leverage was his keyword. And I realized there's not a lot of leverage here. I can get more done but I will still be stifled. And I said, you know what, it would be better if I learned how to master this stuff and then shared what I've learned with others like me. And that was really the leverage one to many opportunity instead of, you know, me and a client leveraging the tools and that that opened up Chief AI Officer and that definition came to me. I saw an interview with Peter Diamandis and he was talking about this role of a chief AI officer and he said, listen, it's not somebody that's a data scientist or going to come in and fine tune an LLM. It's somebody who understands business and understands how to use these tools and they bridge the two of them together to be able to come into an enterprise small business solopreneurship and be able to start plugging it in here and here and here because they understood business.
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Michael Stelzner
So when did you start chief aiofficer.com and tell us a little bit about the podcast and kind of what you're doing today.
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Chris Daigle
I started Chief AI Officer in early 2023 simply as an idea and somebody said, hey, you should get that domain. Great idea. And it was a premium domain at the time. I'm sure it's worth a lot more now, but said, I'm going to double down, let's get this domain. I already worked with some frameworks like eos and scaling up things that a lot of the audience may already be familiar with and started to put those pieces together. Okay, well, how can I leverage Generative AI Chat GPT essentially to support this and this and this? And it turned into this incredible curriculum that we've got that certainly focuses on tactical training, how to use the tools, but it also introduces something that's missing from a lot of the trainings out there, which is the strategic consideration. How do I change management? Is a huge issue with this. There was, especially back then, there was a lot of fear, is AI going to take my job? And we really put a lot of energy into how do we have that AI discussion in a company so that the individuals in that company, they're not fearful of it, they're excited about the introduction of it. And it's turned into really a fantastic opportunity for all the chief AI officers who've gotten certified through us.
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Michael Stelzner
Yeah. And the podcast, how long has that been out?
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Chris Daigle
We launched the podcast. I started recording episodes in December of 2023. First episode launched, I think the first week of January 2024. And it's been an amazing opportunity. It's called using AI at work because I realized that people wanted to use the tools, but they didn't know where to start. So it was really just intended to ask notables in business, how are you using it? Like where? I wasn't interested in tool demos and things I was really interested in, hey, I'm a business person. These are some hacks or some time compression opportunities that I've discovered. And it turned into this, you know, I know this stuff really well every time. And I bet this happens for you too, man. Every time. I Do an episode, I'll hear something. I'm like, not complicated, but I never thought about that. So it's been this, it's been part of my own journey really, of growth and learning the stuff by interviewing others well.
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Michael Stelzner
And I think it's a great compliment, folks that listen to this show, you should definitely listen to the, using the work show because it's great. We have a similar, slightly different, but similar. Like I think there's something we could all learn from both shows. All right, so let's get to the, the real big question here, which is for those marketers or entrepreneurs or creators that are listening right now that want to a flag in the ground and they want to maybe why should they consider putting the flag in the ground? Maybe is the question and say, I want to be known as an AI expert in my business or amongst my community. What's the upside if that happens?
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Chris Daigle
Well, yeah, that's a great question. We do a lot of research, we pay attention to a lot of research being done in the marketplace. 2023 was a year of like people playing around with it, right? 2024, I think for a lot of companies was a year of discovery. 2025 is the year where they're like, look, we have to do something about this and the demand for individuals. Whether or not you identify as an AI expert, if you're an AI enabled business person, let me give you a scenario. Two people show up to work with a client as a vendor or to get a job equal on all levels, same school, same education, similar backgrounds. But one of them says, oh, and by the way, I, I use AI regularly in my business. That person, will they get the job? I can't guarantee that, but they will certainly be moved to the top of the list because businesses are looking for you. If you know business and whatever your marketing, whatever your trade is, and you know how to use AI to support your role. I think there's 500% gap between availability of talent and demand for talent at the SMB and lower middle market levels. So it is huge blue ocean for anybody who invests in themselves, takes the time, uses the tools and starts to have those aha moments and do what we call in our ecosystem, we call it thinking in AI. And that's when you're at the point to where doesn't matter. The issue that comes up doesn't even matter if it's really your department, but you're so capable with, okay, what should I ask? Chat, GBT or whatever model you're using and you're able to dynamically, just on the fly, go and do that. If you're the person that walks in and you're like excited to have the interview, excited to discuss about the opportunity with your client. And we're an AI enabled agency, an AI enabled contractor, vendor, employee, instantly bing the ears perk up from whoever that hiring individual is. And they want to know more because they don't know as much as you think everybody else knows. If you're using these tools, you'd be surprised the more conversations you have. There's just, there's still a lot of mystery about using AI when it comes to most business people.
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Michael Stelzner
We're recording this just literally days before social media Marketing World where I'm about to give a keynote in front of a couple thousand people. And one of the things that I notate in the keynote was a study that was done at Procter and Gamble and I believe Harvard or Wharton was behind it. They studied 700 employees and they found that an employee who has been properly trained in AI will outperform an entire team of employees who are not using AI.
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Chris Daigle
Yep.
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Michael Stelzner
So when you start to think about the ramifications of this, it's pretty big. And when you couple in the fact that earlier this year OpenAI revealed that they have 400 million active weekly users of tools like ChatGPT. But if you go back in time, it was 15 years ago when Facebook only had 400 million active users. It was 2010, it was January of 2010, and six months later, by July 2010, it went to 500 million. So we are at the beginning of another hockey stick growth period that a lot of people just don't actually realize that's happening. And the truth is that consumers are adopting AI much faster than businesses are. So I double down on what you say, Chris. If you can be an AI enhanced employee, which we're going to talk about next, or an AI expert, you have a radical unfair advantage because the demand is much greater than the supply. Would you agree with that?
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Chris Daigle
100%. There is those of you who are listening to this, you already know this. You're able to do things in an instant that would have normally taken you another 30 minutes, a full day, a week. It doesn't matter. You're doing it better, you're doing it faster, you're doing it with less human error, less resources required. And what business wouldn't want that type of superpower with their employees? Heck, every employee, 100%.
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Michael Stelzner
Okay, so let's explore an example of an AI enhanced employee and just kind of like, I know we prepped this question. I know you got some things to talk about, so I'll just let you roll.
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Chris Daigle
So a great example that we leverage a lot in our communication is let's say the boss finds out that you've been listening to Michael's podcast here and they say, hey, we'd love to know more about AI. And you said, sure, no problem. I can share what I've learned. And they said, can you do it in 15 minutes? Right? Sure, boss. Here's what we tell people to do. First thing you'd want to do. Let's say you're in the marketing department. A tool we recommend is Perplexity AI. A lot of you may be using it already, but it is rightfully being called a Google Killer. All of us have been using Google for 20 plus years now. You go into Google, you put in a search and what you get back are results. But you still have to do the research. You still have to like tie the theme together. Okay, what do all these links mean to me? Perplexity does all that for you. It's like Google had a baby with Chat GPT and a way that I explained this that really lands with people. If you were to go to a library and ask the librarian, hey, where are the books on marketing? Librarian might point you over there and say, oh, they're, they're in that section. Or they might even bring you a stack of books and say, here you go. It's better than exploring the whole library. It helped. But you still have to do the research. You still have to find like what's good and what's bad. Perplexity would be like going to that same librarian, asking the same question. And I'm saying, okay, here's the books, but I've already read them. And let me give you a detailed outline of exactly what this concept means, how it's being used. Here's data points to support this. It does all the research for you. So in this scenario, the boss says, hey, I want to hear more about it. How can we use it in the marketing department? Simply go to Perplexity and do your search within 60 to 120 seconds. You have the outline of essentially a presentation for the boss and all the other peers that are going to be listening in on this presentation. Great, you got 12 minutes left. Most of us, we show up, we might have, you know, some notes scratched out or be reading off the screen. But if you really want to demonstrate prowess as a AI enabled employee, you want to use a tool called Gamma Gamma app. And I'll provide all of these resources for you and I'm sure they'll be in the show. Notes. What Gamma does is the same thing that Google comparison to Perplexity. Gamma is to perplexity what PowerPoint would be to Google. You got 12 minutes left. How many slides can you build out? And even if you did, they'd be a little sloppy and it wouldn't be a good look for the quote unquote AI expert on the team. Take the output from Perplexity, simply copy one button, go to Gamma paste, big blue button, big blue button, big blue button. And if anybody's a Gamma user, they'll know the blue buttons I'm talking about. But within about two minutes, you've now got a professionally prepared presentation that used the input that you gave it from your Perplexity search. And now you're ready to go. You still got time to save.
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Michael Stelzner
Just real quick on the Gamma thing, because I've never used it. What's the output look like?
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Chris Daigle
It looks like you had a graphic designer spend hours on preparing a presentation with images. It generates AI images through a number of models. I typically use Ideogram. Okay, so it's populating those on the slides and you show up and it looks like you've been waiting like for days to present this because it's professional output.
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Michael Stelzner
Does it work with PowerPoint and Keynote or is you do have to go to the Gamma website to present it. Do you know how that works?
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Chris Daigle
So you don't have to go to the Gamma website to present it. It will actually output the file in PowerPoint for you. Okay, all right, so it's already ready.
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Michael Stelzner
To go and you could open that in Keynote if you're on a Mac or something. Okay, cool. So how many minutes in are we so far in the 15 minutes here?
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Chris Daigle
So at this point, you've spent the five minutes, okay, you're done, you're ready for the presentation, the next step that I would suggest. And if you're not using an AI powered meeting assistant, you know, we show up to Zooms now and sometimes we're out in the AI space, at least sometimes we're outnumbered by the meeting assistants. But the reason that I like this is because it's going to capture everything so that you're not code switching. Oh, and let me take some notes or let me review my stuff and you just present, you just have a conversation with everybody with the confidence knowing that everything is being captured. Now, the reason that I like Fathom is because once the Call's done. It gives me certainly a summary, but it's picking out all the action items that were discussed. It allows me, you know, well, Chris, Zoom can record the meeting. Yeah, but you still have to wait for it to render. And you know I'm going to come back to that. And before you know it, you know you've forgotten. Oh, I meant to sent that out right away with Fathom, as soon as the call's done, you can push one button and send the link out to all the attendees to one attendee. But it also, depending on the type of call, it has certain filters. So it's got the transcript, it's got the video, but I can say, hey, this was a sales call and it's going to give me analysis of that call. This was a one on one, this was a product demo. It's got all of these pre built features in there. One click and it's now giving you an analysis of the call based on the type of call it was. And again, Fathoms free. So you show up to the meeting, you do your presentation, you're good to go. Everybody's like, we got to do this asap. Send us a summary of this. You don't just want to necessarily send them the transcript from or the evaluation from Fathom. Take that transcript into chat, GPT or claude. If you're using that and you're going to tell it, hey, listen, I need to create an email for the attendees of this meeting. Here's the outcome. Like, I want my boss to know that I'm eager to assist the team in growing their AI skills. I'm eager to take a larger role with the organization because of what I'm learning in AI. You feed that in paste in the transcript, Dunzo copy, paste it into Gmail or whatever your email client is, send it and this is all happening. Like if you think about it, that was a 15 minute example, not counting the the presentation itself.
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Michael Stelzner
That's amazing.
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Chris Daigle
If you're not using these tools, it's going to take you maybe 15 minutes, but you're going to show up sloppy. You're going to show up the best that you can do in 15 minutes as a human that is not AI enabled. Flip the script. People are blown away and it looks like magic to people that don't understand this. How did he do such a good job so quickly?
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Michael Stelzner
Wow, I love that. Great example and I'm with you completely that if it's true, which I believe it is, that most employees inside of a company are likely not taking Full advantage of all the things that we just talked about. They're going to be blown away because maybe they're familiar with ChatGPT, but they don't understand all these other tools. So now let's take it up a notch. Okay, that's. That's a great way to impress your boss or your peers or even some customers. But what if I want to become known as an expert in my industry? Talk to me a little bit more about up leveling.
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Chris Daigle
So if any of you have imposter syndrome. Oh, I'm not that good at it. Trust me, you're better than most. My advice, it's the same for somebody just getting started, somebody that's already a certified chief AI officer. Your warm market has opportunities for you. Your warm market that exists on your social platforms, whatever that is of choice. Start showing demonstrations. Hey, guys, I just learned this new tool. Hey, guys, let me show you an example of how I'm using this to create content, create images, whatever you want to demonstrate. And it doesn't have to be super sophisticated. It's just letting people know that you're one of those people who are using the tools. There are people in your warm market, your network, your social contacts, they're all looking for help with this stuff. And if they already know you, like you and trust you, and they see you doing this, they're going to go, oh, let me give Chris a call. He obviously knows this stuff.
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Michael Stelzner
Do you want to transform your marketing activities with the power of AI? When you join us this Thursday for our free AI masterclass, you'll discover the 25 AI tools to save you time and increase your creativity. Whether you're a seasoned AI marketer or just getting started with AI, you'll walk away equipped with new insights you can immediately put to work. Stop this podcast right now and register@socialmediaexaminer.com aitools. You won't want to miss this live training. I hope to see you there. I want to just double down on that a little bit and expand it, because I do believe, you know, obviously my company is Social Media examiner, and I think there's incredible opportunity because the algorithms that run all the social platforms try to show content to people that are particularly interested in that kind of content. And I think people forget this sometimes. So if you start posting on Facebook or LinkedIn or whatever your preferred social platform is, or X or whatever about what you're learning, the algorithms are going to show it to people that are actually interested in that kind of thing. And that is going to Be great organic marketing for you. Because people that get picked to present or to be part of an article or to do all these kinds of things, they only get presented because there's demonstration publicly that they seem to be further along on the journey. And if they claim they are, but there's no public proof of it. Yeah, because they haven't been posting about it, well, it's going to be a lot harder to raise your hand and claim you're an expert. It's a lot easier for someone to just notice, softly over time that Chris or Mike seems to be posting about this stuff. I'm going to pay attention to them, I'm going to follow them. Maybe it's not me, maybe it's someone I know in my network that's looking for someone like you. And that's really valuable.
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Chris Daigle
This conversation is happening in every business. So what Michael just said was 100% correct. One way to certainly advance your career would be now that you're learning these things, the people that are sitting next to you, the remote team that you're working with, start sharing that with them internally.
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Michael Stelzner
There you go.
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Chris Daigle
You don't have to necessarily like, hey, everybody, look at me. I'm the AI expert. It gets known, right? People start saying, oh, AI. They're like, oh, Chris is the AI guy, people on the team. And here's what happens. Your department starts seeing these wins, these efficiency wins. The production timelines start shrinking and the higher ups that are paying attention to these metrics are asking, what are they doing? And they're going to go to the department and they're going to find out, or they're going to reach out to the, the manager of that department and say, hey, guys, these numbers look great. What's happening? And they're say, oh, well, we got an AI guy or an AI girl. Right? Like, well, who is that? Right? The boss is going to say, hey, let's go to lunch. I want to know more about this. They're going to say, hey, Chris, before you get started on that, we're having a meeting in here. AI came up. Can you jump in here? And all of this visibility that you're getting in your, your business ecosystem about. Oh, you got an AI question? Yeah, go talk to them. It's obvious because they will start to see more impact from this. And they're going to say, we want more of this. We need some. Oh, we got somebody. They already know our business and they know these tools. That's our candidate.
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Michael Stelzner
I love that. And I think I heard you say this when you teach other people, even inside the company, even if it's just one to one, or even if it's just one to a few in a conference room, first of all, that's a great way for you to kind of get your comfort zone up a little bit. If you're facing a little bit of imposter syndrome, they're going to probably tell you, wow, that was really good. I want more of it. That's just going to kind of allow you to go a little bit further and a little bit further so you can ease into it, but it's also going to allow you to stand out because it's true that AI is legitimately, it's the ones that embrace AI that are going to be the survivors in the grand scheme of time. You talked about how you had a UI UX person in your community. Can you share that story?
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Chris Daigle
Yep. So people always ask, well, what happens when somebody gets certified in AI? So one of our earlier graduates from the program, professional, I had worked with big companies in the UI UX environment. He gave me a call one day, said hey Chris, I got a big interview tomorrow. I was like, okay. He said, can you help me prepare for it? I said, sure, who's it with? I'm not going to name the company, but they do $34 billion a year. If I named the company, you'd go, oh yeah, I know who that is. So I said, man, you got this. Said, call me back though, let me know how the interview. And I'm really curious. So he calls me back the next day and he said, chris, I walked into a room, there were 14 people in the interview and they were all there to hear what I had to say. He said they even had a couple of their AI experts from one of the big consulting agencies. Again, you'd know who that company was. Said, man, how'd it go? He said, by the end of that hour there was no question in that room who the AI expert was. And it was not those high priced consultants. And now he is an AI strategist at this large multinational, very well known brand simply because he understood business and he went and learned these tools and he was able to explain non technically to the people sitting at that table how AI could come in and support all of their operations, their strategy, their execution, everything and got the job. Still got it today. Happy camper.
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Michael Stelzner
Love it. Okay, so if we desire to really be perceived as an AI expert internally or externally, have you found there are certain types of areas that are low hanging fruit for lack of Better words to focus on as far as, like, teaching others and sharing insights and stuff. Because obviously, if you're really technical, you could overwhelm people. So what's your. What's your thoughts about, like, the early first moves that maybe people ought to make?
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Chris Daigle
You know, it's the stuff you're already doing. And again, I come from an EOS background, and in that environment, they have an exercise called Delegate and Elevate, and they ask you to really just list out the things you're doing on a daily basis and categorize them. And one of those categories are activities that I don't like doing and I'm not good at anyway. Those are the things that if those weren't on the table, you might really, really love your job. But because those are there, certain days are a drag or certain times of, you know, when it's time to pull those reports together. You don't like doing that. We start there and we recommend that you do, too. Find the things you don't like doing and you're not good at anyway and start to use generative AI tools to either do them for you to assist. And just make sure that, like, you're not spending nearly as much time doing stuff. That's the drudgery. And I can tell you that your audience should be encouraged by this marketing department, creative department. Easy, easy wins there. And if you're not using these tools and the function of those roles, I think you're going to be really surprised when you finally do after listening to this episode.
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Michael Stelzner
Okay, so let's assume some people in the audience have been doing this.
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Chris Daigle
Yep.
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Michael Stelzner
And they are perceived inside their business as the kind of local authority, if you will, on AI, the one that everybody comes to and asks questions. And they really desire to kind of go beyond just the business. They want to be perceived by a larger audience, and perhaps they want to develop, maybe eventually go off on their own, start a consultancy, start an agency. What would be the next steps that they should take to kind of put that flag out there?
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Chris Daigle
So one of the easiest things for anybody is start hosting an event in your local market or for competitive peers. Just say, hey, guys, we're having an AI meetup. You don't have to be the expert there, but because you're the person who's kind of bringing everybody together, you become the center of gravity. And everybody else starts thinking, oh, Chris, oh, he knows AI. He knows everybody doing AI in this space. Super. It can be at a bar, it can be at anywhere. It doesn't have to Be fancy. And it's not about, you know, you saying, ladies and gentlemen, may I have your attention? I need to speak on AI. It's about you being the person that when they walk in the door, you're welcoming them, you're greeting them. And you may say, well, Chris, I'm not that comfortable. Listen, they're not there to see you. They're there to connect with other people who are interested in AI. And you just get to be the social butterfly or the wallflower. But you brought them together, and that alone positions you as, you know, the apex in that room. Another great opportunity every city has economic developments, councils, chambers of commerce, business groups. They're always looking for speakers. But if you're going to talk about, you know, how to pick the right insurance, no offense, insurance people or anything like that, they've heard it before. But if you reach out to them and say, hey, do you think your audience would be interested in learning how to use AI and their roles in their business? 100%. Because just like we've talked about, businesses can't find people that have these skills. Neither can these business groups. So that will, you know, they'll put you on a stage as at the next available opening or maybe even bump somebody because their leaders or their members want to know this stuff and they can't satisfy that demand.
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Michael Stelzner
What about when we transcend local meetups and local groups and we want to do some online things? Maybe we can talk about podcasting and other kinds of content and what your thoughts are on. On starting with that as well.
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Chris Daigle
So I'd been a guest, but I'd never hosted my own podcast before. And this is what they'll always tell you.
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Michael Stelzner
Look, the first couple episodes, your first is your worst is what I tell everybody.
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Chris Daigle
Yeah, the advice would be just get started in whatever excuse or. Well, it's complicated. None of that, especially with AI there. I mean, there's AI tools now that as long as you record the content, it will produce it. It'll throw in pre roll, mid roll, it'll throw in all of those types of things for you. And these. The beautiful thing about generative AI tools is a. They're easy to learn. Most of these tools are designed for you to achieve some level of proficiency with them in 15 minutes or less. So there is no big learning curve. So please don't be intimidated by that. Secondly, cost. Well, Chris, how much does it cost? I mean, 20amonth for a chat GPT account, 20amonth for an Ideogram account. They're all priced to Be very accessible for you. Not for, like, I got to get my company to approve it. Go spend the money. Start playing with the tools. I guarantee opportunities are going to open up for you. That without that, you're not the person. With that, you're the obvious candidate.
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Michael Stelzner
Well, I'm going to throw some other wisdom in here. Just from being in this world for a long time with a lot of thought leaders and looking for them and discerning and stuff. I think that there are a couple of opportunities when you feel comfortable enough that you want to create content for the world. There's really, in my mind, three obvious buckets of types of content you can create. First one is the written word. And what's great about the written word is AI can absolutely help you enhance that. If anybody follows me on the socials, I'm writing one or two times a week. I'm sharing stories, I'm engaging with community. And I see a lot of my peers also do this. And sometimes they'll add images or they'll add short little videos of, like, something cool they've discovered with Tool X. Right. And if they start doing that consistently with written word and images and videos, all of a sudden more people start following them because they find that stuff really interesting. And right now there's this massive desire to learn. Next level up is to get comfortable enough to actually consider starting either a podcast or a YouTube channel. And the benefit of a YouTube channel is extremely big because YouTube will find you an audience that's interested in your topic. And if you do it well. And I will tell you that this is a little side secret, a lot of people that put on conferences and a lot of people that have really successful podcasts are seeking experts on that platform. It's the sourcing platform. So that's what I want you to think about is like, that's a place where people are looking for experts. And if you can get in front of those people's audiences. And Chris, you know this. You're going to an event soon. I host an event. You get a lot of value when you're up on the stage. Would you agree with that?
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Chris Daigle
100.
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Michael Stelzner
The credibility is priceless, especially when it's off the charts. And then all of a sudden, people want to work with you. Now on the podcasting thing, there's two sides to it. There's the solo episodes and there's the interview episodes. I'd love you to share a little bit about how you're using this content, because let's be intellectually honest, it was Because Chris was on another podcast that I listened to that he's on this podcast. And it's because he also has a podcast that I chose to subscribe to that is on this podcast. So why don't you share a little bit of the strategy that you've done with your show?
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Chris Daigle
So listen, the easiest way to get access to an expert is reach out and say, hey, I would like for you to be a guest on my podcast. It's amazing. And I know everybody's probably heard this before. It's true. So for me, it was part of my own AI journey. I wanted to reach out to people who, honestly, I wanted to just ask them questions that were interesting to me about, how are you doing it? And then what tool are you? Like all those kinds of questions. Come to find out, everybody else had those same questions, of course. So you don't have to be the expert that everybody's expecting you to have all the answers if all you do is ask the right questions. Well, Chris, I don't know what questions to ask. Use chat GPT. And that's actually how I started. I started with 20 questions, and I would pick four or five, and we just kind of go there and then allow your own curiosity to go off script. Hey, I'm more interested in that. Like, Michael's doing that in his podcast. Like, let's dig in here. If you're interested in it and you're marketing or in sales, whatever your. Your niche is, others are going to have very similar questions. And again, that's that. That marriage of business understanding and the tools that makes you the expert in the room for sure.
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Michael Stelzner
Okay, so real quick question. How did you start? You said you've never really had a podcast until, what, 20, 23? Is that when you started this show?
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Chris Daigle
Yep.
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Michael Stelzner
So how did you begin? Because people sometimes don't know, you know, they face some of these challenges. I don't have an audience yet. How in the world is anybody going to give me any time of the day? Like, what did you do in the beginning? Did you just tap your existing network?
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Chris Daigle
I did tap my existing network, and it was still early. So everybody knew who the AI person was in their group or their network because there weren't a lot of people talking about it. It was a lot easier than you'd think. Now, of course, the first couple times, I'm a little nervous and that sort of thing, it doesn't come through. And especially if you allow the conversation to just evolve. And this is my. This may not be best practice, but this is what works for me. You allow the conversation to just evolve. People end up reaching out, saying, hey, that great episode. And you're like, oh, really? Well, let me do it again. And the key, like with anything in success or business, just keep doing it. Just keep showing up, keep showing up. There's so many people out there that you can get access to. If you preface it by I'm a podcast host, it's amazing.
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Michael Stelzner
Okay, so so far, let's just kind of explore what we've talked about. We started with. Start with inside the business or inside, you know, with a small group of clients. If you're a solopreneur and really just kind of get your chops and start really documenting what you're learning as you're learning it. And just your mindset is, I'm just a little further along than they are. Right. That's really the truth. Right. But then we explored how over time, all of a sudden, people look to you because most people remember who brought them into something new and exciting as kind of like the person who kind of brought them on board. And that gets you some kudos down the road. That opens doors for you. Right. And we talked about how that could lead to all sorts of interesting opportunities. And then we talked about how maybe you should consider teaching formally, other people inside the business how to do this or even your staff if you're the owner of the business, like I am. Right. And really dial in. And you know, what we really didn't talk about is how do we refine our craft if we want to be an expert? Like, let's talk about that a little bit. Right? Because there's one thing to be an expert, but in order to be an expert, a lot of us know we've got to put the hours in to become an expert. So, you know, do you advocate, don't be an expert. Just be a little further ahead and others will credit you as an expert, or do you advocate, develop expertise? I'm just curious what your thoughts are.
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Chris Daigle
It's a great question, and I'll tell you, the way that I look at it is things are changing in the business landscape. Chad GPT for sure. Then these generative AI tools, agents are the big topic of 2025 vibe marketing, if anybody's heard that term. Right. And it's this concept of. Of introducing AI into as much of your process as possible. I, me personally, my Colby Index, I'm a high fact finder, high quickstart. For me, immersion was important. Listen, there's so much free education out there. But the challenge is there's a lot of noise and not a ton of signal. Any podcast that's gone beyond, you know, a handful of episodes, they're probably understanding the topic well enough for you to be able to take nuggets away from every episode. And again, it's free. However, you could be the greatest in the world at this stuff. But if somebody's like, oh, my Uncle Joe knows AI company's gonna be like, no, listen, sad state of affairs. But there needs to be some sort of an endorsement or certification or acknowledgment that this individual has followed a set process to become a quote unquote expert or master at this. And they have completed that circuit of training and they have now received that acknowledgment, that certification, whatever it is. So I would encourage you, look, all the LinkedIn free courses, as many as you can, all the udemy, the cheap stuff, they give you certificates of completion. Those things matter, right? Watching a thousand YouTube videos doesn't. So I wouldn't say don't do the YouTube videos, but also have built into your growth plan something that's going to show some sort of acknowledgment that I have completed course of study on prompting on. Hey, gen on ideogram, whatever the tools are that work for your business, it will be the point of distinction between you and the other candidates for that gig, that job, that client.
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Michael Stelzner
Yeah, and folks, Chief AIOfficer.com does do certification. They're one of the few that you can check out and we can maybe talk about that a little bit later. I advocate professional development always. We have the AI Business Society. We give you like a membership thing, but we don't really certify anybody because we just know this place is changing too fast. But there is something to that. And I do know that that matters. That's a social proof thing, right? Or it's a. It's just an instant credibility kind of thing. But I want to come back to having a mindset of continuous learning. What's your thoughts on that? Because I'm telling you, if people stopped learning six months ago, don't you agree they're completely out of date at this point? I mean, if they're using the same old stuff they were using six months ago because, like, it's changing almost every week.
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Chris Daigle
So that's one of the top questions we get from people. How do I keep up with all the tools? And here's what I would recommend. Pick a tool in a category and use that tool. Well, Wait a minute, this one does this. Don't worry, your tool will also have that. The competition, the moat that exists with any type of feature in a image generation tool or a video avatar tool, they don't last. The acceleration and velocity of development of these tools, you cannot keep up. So if you've got some FOMO about, I need to like test all the tools and everything, go watch one of the videos where they're using it. But you, you don't need find one. Get good at that tool. That would be my advice. Don't get caught up in all these tools and you being too worried about it. However, six months ago, completely different landscape. Oh, I tried that tool six months ago. Have you tried it recently? It's a different tool now. It's so much better. But honestly, just get started with something.
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Michael Stelzner
Yeah, I'm with you on that. And if you decide it's going to be Chat GPT, keep up on what they keep rolling out Y, right? Because as of this recording just a few days ago, they radically improved their image generation and most, most people won't use ChatGPT because their images look real sloppy. But now they look really good. Now they're, they're a challenger to Ideogram and ideogram just released 3.0, which is, I mean, it's like it's this land race and it's good for us as the users and consumers to be aware of what these things are capable of because the leaps forward that they're making are quite large. And if you think you really know, because you used it a few months ago, like what Chris said is, you know, you probably don't. Yeah, like for example, you probably don't know that Claude has web search, right? Or you probably don't know that ChatGPT has projects, right? Depending on if you're using Claude, right? Because there's just so much innovation that's happening. Or you probably don't know that these things now have vision models built into them, right? Or that they can actually talk and talk back to you. I mean, like it's, it's just crazy. And that's the reason why I think I used to say that the social media industry was the fastest moving industry on the planet, which it was. But guess what? Now this AI industry, right, and it is an industry because it's a multibillion dollar industry, is radically changing absolutely everything. And I think the key is just to go out there and experiment and try these things.
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Chris Daigle
Would you agree 100% and maybe do it in a community. You Mentioned your AI business society. Plug in with other people doing this. The benefits of that, are you going to learn about things from people who are focused on the same application environments as you are. But also there's this collective knowledge. You don't have to go out and test all the tools because there's thousands of people in the community. They're the ones that 50 of them went and tested this tool and they're all saying the same thing. The network that you can build in these communities is. It's a shortcut really, to learning this stuff. And then you find a scenario where, oh, I've never used that before. You've got some place to go back to and say, hey, guys, what do you think about this? And you don't have to spend hours doing research or hoping that you've got the right tool selected. You'll get people saying, oh, we use this one regularly. It does this or that. Does it do this? It does. Okay, great, I'm going to use that.
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Michael Stelzner
I want to say a couple words to the people that right now are saying, yeah, but there's already an expert in my industry. I'm just going to say this, okay. I can tell you, having been 15 years in the social marketing industry, those people aren't going to be here forever. And there's so much more opportunity. Right? Just because there is one person right now, maybe who you think is crushing it. There are people that just for whatever reason, aren't going to connect with that person, but they're going to connect with you because you have a different lived experience, you have a different way of communicating. And there are people that are going to connect with you. And there are still, to my surprise, almost every month I discover new people that are experts in Instagram or YouTube or something else because they have a unique world perspective that they bring to the table. And what do you want to say to those people who feel like it's too late?
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Chris Daigle
So people say, well, AI is like the Wild West. And I thought about that. I was like, well, the Wild west, you know, you think about it, you go out of the saloon and there's carts and people and no, it's not like that at all. It's more like the frontier where you look around, there's nobody there. So trust me, blue ocean all day long. For anybody who just raises their hand and say, hey, I'm willing to share my, my knowledge of AI with you or your company.
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Michael Stelzner
Where do you see all this going? Like, let's just fast forward a couple of years from now.
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Chris Daigle
A couple years from now is like a decade. In other industries, if not more, agents are a big deal. Agents will replace the jobs. People said, oh, AI is going to replace my job. No, I think the more accurate would be somebody who knows your job and knows AI. They're just a better candidate. Right. However, understanding agentic application in businesses, you're going to realize, wow, like we just don't need as many people. What does that mean? I don't have those answers, but here's what I can tell you. If you know AI and you're in the business, you're not going to be on the top of the chopping block list. They want to keep you around. Hey, Chris, this agent thing, can we get you to look into it? You are going to continue to have economic viability even if the robots start doing most of the work. You're their person, you're their interpreter between our business needs and what's going on in that landscape. Michael, you just referenced it. Dolly3. No bueno. ChatGPT images. Incredible. In one day, things can go from it's okay to oh my gosh, I don't need this role anymore because I can go and type a prompt and get world class output from that. It's not an option anymore, folks. It's just really not.
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Michael Stelzner
Chris, if people want to connect with you on the socials, where do you want to send them? And if they want to check out your certification and training also, where do you want to send them?
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Chris Daigle
Yeah, great example of how we're using generative AI for content creation is my LinkedIn profile. My name is Chris Dagle, they call me Dr. Dagle. But if you go to just type in Dr. Dagle, I'll show up. You'll see so much. And it's human like output. It's not synthetic, it's not ob. Oh, that's obvious. They used AI for that and that's what's possible with these tools. So that's a great place. We provide a lot of content on there. And Michael, I've actually done something special for this audience and big privilege to be here and I want to make sure that everybody that's listening to me gets something special. So if they go to chiefai officer.com forward/stelzner, Michael's last name, look at the podcast, you'll be able to spell it. We've got a ton of resources there. They're all free. We have a fantastic Prompt Vault Studio tool that we built that 2000 and these aren't. You'll see when you get there. We've got tons of free training. We train all the time, we record it and we productize it. The stuff that you guys are gonna get access to are free. Obviously, any of the tools that I've mentioned, even in passing, I'll make sure that there's links there for them. And these are tools that, again, I'm non technical, these are tools that I use that literally while you're sitting there having a cup of coffee, you could go from zero to hero in 15 minutes and you're like, oh, I'm gonna use this at work today. So tons of free resources there.
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Michael Stelzner
Cheap.
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Chris Daigle
Chiefaiofficer.com forward/stealth Chris Daigle, thank you so.
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Michael Stelzner
Much for coming on the show and sharing your insights.
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Chris Daigle
My pleasure. Thanks for safe travels to the event.
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Michael Stelzner
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