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Michael Stelzner
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Alicia Little
Welcome to the AI Explored podcast, helping you put AI to work. And now, here's your host, Michael Stelzner.
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Michael Stelzner
Hello, hello, hello. Thank you so much for joining me for the AI Explored podcast brought to you by Social Media Examiner. I'm your host, Michael Stelzner, and this is the podcast for marketers, creators and business owners who want to know how to put AI to work. You've been probably hearing a lot of people talk about creating AI to help them in their business, maybe by taking on specific roles or jobs. And you've probably been asking yourself, it would be really cool if I had this kind of person working for my business, but maybe I don't have the budget or the money for such person. And I wonder how I could do something like that utilizing the AI tools that I already have at my disposal. Well, today's interview is going to dive into that and we're going to open your eyes to the possibilities of how you could augment, quote, unquote, your team with AI roles or AI tasks or AI, quote unquote, people that can really help you in a pretty dramatic way for your business. And we're going to be joined by Alicia Little and I think you're going to really love, love, love today's episode. Also, if you are new to this podcast, be sure to follow this show so you don't miss any of our future content. Let's now transition over to this week's interview with Alicia Little.
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Alicia Little
Helping you simplify your AI journey. Here is this week's expert guide.
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Michael Stelzner
Today, I'm very excited to be joined by Alicia Little. If you don't know who Alicia is, she is an AI enthusiast and author of ChatGPT Made Easy A Beginner's Fast Track Guide to Mastering ChatGPT. She's the founder of the AI Experts Club, a membership for business owners looking to improve with AI. She's also host of the AI Insights Summit and founder of the International association of AI Consultants. Alicia, welcome back to the show. How you doing?
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Alicia Little
I'm so excited to be here. Thank you again for the invite.
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Michael Stelzner
I'm excited that you're here. Today, Alicia and I will explore how to create AI roles or AI jobs. And when I say roles and jobs, I don't mean done by people, I mean done by AI to help people with their business. And I'm really excited to kind of dig into this, but first, let me just ask this question because there's a lot of marketers and entrepreneurs listening to this podcast. Why should they use AI to help them grow their business? Why should they consider using AI to kind of like augment their staff almost, which is kind of what we're talking about a little bit here. Said another way is, if it's done well, what could this make possible?
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Alicia Little
Yeah, yeah, I love that. So when I think about the times that we're in today, the reality is, is that we are witnessing it's the greatest productivity revolution in entrepreneurial history. Like, as an entrepreneur, the best time to be an entrepreneur is right now. And when I think about it personally, Michael, we think about how we've turned four day projects into seven minute tasks. Something that took days now takes minutes. And I'm not exaggerating what I'm saying from four days to seven minutes. And here's what excites me most about all of this. And it's not just about the speed at which we're getting things done right now. It's finally having the capacity to do the strategic work that you've been putting off. So a lot of entrepreneurs, when we talk about growing our business, we put off that strategic work. But now we're going all into it. We can do so much with it. And so it's about, like, even our podcast, when we think about a podcast like this or any podcast interview that we do, we transcribe it. And that transcript used to take us three hours, you know, to clean it up. So after it's transcribed, I'm cleaning it up, and now it takes three minutes. So from three hours to three minutes. So when you suddenly have, you know, leveraging, you're leveraging AI tools, and now you can create the courses that you've wanted to, the ebooks that you've wanted to. This is why marketers and entrepreneurs really need to go all in on AI and say, you know what? AI is going to Help me to grow my business. You're no longer choosing between, like, quality and quantity. You can do both. You can get quality workout in a really quick time. And so you're not, you know, trading time for money so much anymore. You're just multiplying. And I always say it's like the multiplication effect, which I really love. So just a really quick story about sales copy last week. So I was writing some sales copy last week, and I was about to dig into it, and I thought for a minute how before AI I would spend between 3 and $10,000 to write sales copies. So I've hired copywriters before. That's how much it would cost for a simple sales page or landing page. But with AI and for this example, I used Claude. And with Claude, I had a first draft in just 10 minutes. So 10 minutes on my 20 Claude account. I refined it within, you know, the hour, whatever, we're all done. And it's converted better than anything that I've launched before. So this is why I love AI And I love it for us entrepreneurs.
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Michael Stelzner
I love this. And I just want to throw my thoughts in here, too. I know many of you might be concerned that AI is potentially taking away jobs, but here's how I look at this. Many people right now don't have budgets to do the things that they maybe did years ago, before COVID And maybe they're in a situation where they just have to duke it out, and they can't possibly do all the work because there's simply not enough time. These are the people, whether they be entrepreneurs or marketers, that would have never actually gone and spent the $10,000 again on a copywriter, because maybe it worked, but maybe it didn't. Right. And instead they're going, and it's opening them up to new possibilities because now they're able to do something on their own without another person. You want to speak to that a little bit?
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Alicia Little
Yeah. So when we talk about, like, what you're able to do without another person and that copywriter that you wish you had, and now you're using AI to be that copywriter. Yes. It's thinking about, like, what role do you feel that you are missing to grow and scale and then how you can implement that in your business? So AI is not a silver bullet. So it's not this quick silver bullet that sometimes it's portrayed to be, but it is a solution. And so you're not like, adding an AI and your problems disappear. What you're doing is adding AI, learning how to Use it. And then driving everything to the next level. So I always start off by thinking, okay, what's my biggest bottleneck? What's taking up most of my time? What role is. You're talking about the copywriter, right? What role do I wish that I had in my business? And. And I always say, like, if I could clone one expert for my business, who would it be? So if I needed a podcast episode, podcast expert, I would clone you, Michael. So, you know, what role can I clone? And. And sometimes as entrepreneurs, we're thinking, oh, I'd kill for a copywriter on my team who gets my voice. Or I wish I had someone who could answer customer service emails in my style and tone, or if I only had a board of advisors to bounce my ideas off of. And really, that's your starting point? That's your starting point. Because here's the key insight. AI works best when it's like, filling specific roles and not just doing random tasks. So I always think about the. The framework, and that is before, you know, touching the AI tool and, and trying to enter in a magic prompt. What role do you need filled? What does success look like for you when that role is filled? So what is that AI role doing? And then it's about testing it. So come on, let's go, let's test it and see if it works. If that copywriter with the instructions we give it, does it now work and work for us in our business and the style and tone and the content that we actually need. So we start there, we master that, and then we expand it out.
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Michael Stelzner
Love it. Okay, so so far, what we've talked about is kind of the upside, the why this is so important. This is exceptionally valuable for any. Anyone who doesn't have the financial resources to go out and hire someone on their own and also doesn't have the time to do it themselves or maybe doesn't have the gifts or skills to be able to do it on their own. And maybe they've said to themselves, I wish I had this, I wish I had that. I love that. So where do we actually start? Where do we begin? Let's say that we want to actually create some AI roles, if you will. What are some of the first things we need to be focused on?
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Alicia Little
I love this question because it's really where what everything comes down to. It's where the rubber meets the road. So you start to think about those roles that you need to fill and that give the immediate return on investment. I always like to say, like, what role can I fill? That's going to give me the biggest roi. So maybe financially, but ROI also comes in time savings, cost savings, that sort of thing. So for me, one of the roles that I filled first was a press release writer because it's something I was having difficulty with, but I knew that I needed to become more newsworthy in order to build my brand. So I used to pay, you know, between $250 to $1,500 to get a press release written and, you know, put together for me. And it would take a while to put all the pieces together. But I created an AI agent and we named him Jerry, who writes my press releases for us. He, he has our knowledge base of our information, so he's able to he as the AI staff member, within five minutes, he asked questions of whoever the user is, myself or one of my team members asking him questions, and he can push out a polished press release. So I would like to say same quality, but I'll say better quality, so better quality than if I was doing it myself or the people that I've hired in the past. And then it's a fraction of the time. And I mean, the cost is, you know, when you're creating this in chat GPT, I have a $20 a month chatgpt account and I'm doing this within that count, creating these roles or these AI agents as people like to call them, even sharing them with team members for the same $20 price. The cost savings with the times we're in right now is ridiculous. As someone who's been an entrepreneur for 25 years, I totally understand what things cost, what they used to cost, and what they cost now with AI and how we're leveraging that.
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Michael Stelzner
Talk to me about the other examples that we had prepped, the coach and the advisors too, because I just want people to understand, like the range of possibilities here. Right.
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Alicia Little
So one of the other roles that I like is a business coach. So many of us need a business coach in our business. And so, you know, when you're feeling stuck, you wish you had that business coach to go to. So I created my AI business coach coach, trained on, you know, pricing, psychology, our industry, my market, my business. And when I work with this business coach, it'll ask me questions that I never thought about. And that's what I love about using AI, right? It's only as good as the user. So I'm engaging with this AI business coach. But you know, I have a business coach that would probably cost me a thousand to three thousand dollars an hour, right? Here in AI, helping me with my business. In fact, one of the the most recent things I asked my AI business coach was about pricing. And it came back and said, you need to raise your prices and have an additional offer, a bump. Offer to the bump. And so I was like, okay, so we added a upsell to the upsell or a bump to the bump. And it's working. It's converting at 40%. So I would have been leaving money on the table had I not gone to the business coach and said, how can I improve my funnel? Here's where the funnel is, here's where the numbers are. And it said, you could add a prompt pack to the recordings that you're selling, and that could be the bump to the bump. I said, yes, let's do it. And it's working. So I love the business coach. And so the next one we created was a board of advisors. And I had always wished, Michael, that I had a board of advisors in my business. Like, what if I could tap into the most brilliant minds to help me with my business? And so what I did was I have a board of advisors. So you think about the people, the thought leaders that in your industry that you would love to have on your own board of advisors, and you could create. I did this with a GPT within ChatGPT. So in ChatGPTs, GPTs, my board of advisor, I have five board members in there, and ChatGPT knows who these people are. And I can simply say, all right, let's simulate a board meeting. I have this question that I want my board members to address. So I describe my challenge. I ask them for their perspective, and they give me their. Their viewpoints and their feedback, and it helps me move to the next level. I'm like, I'm getting ideas from Seth golden, you know, from Gary V, who's on my board of advisors. And ChatGPT really knows these people and knows how they think, the advice that they would give you. And boom, you know, that right there is. It's so priceless in our business. So those are two other roles that I love that AI has taken on in our business. And then we have some other ones, like customer service rep, social media content creator, market researcher. So, you know, and then in different departments in our business, we've seen said, okay, we need a copywriter in the marketing department. So we've created these different agents to sit in these different seats and take on these different roles to help us grow and expand faster than we ever have in the history of our business.
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Michael Stelzner
Love this okay, so the main three examples we talked about were the press release writer, the business coach, and the board of advisors. What I love about these different roles is one of them is doing writing, one of them is actually advising you, you know, because you're bringing your deepest concerns to the coach. And then the other ones are kind of advising you as a, as a committee in a mastermind kind of thing, but not really in a mastermind thing. And they're not really Seth Godin and they're not really Gary Vaynerchuk, but they are essentially representing them because there's so much information about them out on the Internet. And it's absolutely fascinating. And anyone who's thinking right now, hopefully your mind has expanded a little bit, that these roles that you can quote, unquote, employees, you know, into your business can be whatever you can imagine. So now we're going to get into kind of how to actually pull this off, and we're going to dive into the details. Let's start with the tools that you use to build this out, because you kind of mentioned a couple of them, but which ones are the ones you use the most? And kind of maybe do some pros and cons.
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Alicia Little
And I would say even before that, I always tell people, like, step back and then just pick one role that would save you the most time this week, just one, and then we'll start there. So if we use my example of the press release writer, we say, okay, I want this one role in my business. And so for that I use ChatGPT GPT. So you go to chatgpt.com forward/, GPTs. And when you are there now you have the ability to create this AI role, this chatbot. And so I like to tell people to start off with just click the create button, you'll see it on the top. So you click create to create a GPT, and then create. And ChatGPT will help you to create your own AI agent, your GPT, your chatbot. So it says to you, you know, what do you want it to do? So you say, I would like this to be my press release writer. And so it will work with you to get the information that you need to create that press release writer. And then at the top, if you click on the configure instructions in that configure instructions, you'll see that just by having a conversation with the GPT, the ChatGPT GPT, it filled out the instructions of how this GPT should operate. So that's ChatGPT and the GPTs kind of quick run through. I love it. The next one I use, I use Claude projects a lot as well. So in both Chat GPT and the GPTs and Claude projects, you can upload a knowledge base. So if you want your AI agent to be smart about your business, you need to give it the information that it can work off of to be smart in your business. So what is that information? So we upload a knowledge base, information about our, our business, our capability statements, you know, those type of things and it can work off of that. So I always tell people, pay attention to your knowledge base if you're really looking to create these roles that are working within your business and need to know about your business or to know about you. So Chachi bt, Claude are the two common ones that, that we use.
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Michael Stelzner
And folks, you need a paid version of these accounts in order to get access to this. Why don't you tell us a little bit about why you prefer one or the other for different kinds of things, if you don't mind.
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Alicia Little
So I love chat GPT GPTs, especially if I'm going to share it with my team members. So these are when I'm making these AI agents that I'm going to share with my team members or we've made them for people in our programs, you know, we sell coaching programs and that sort of thing. So we create them for that, for the projects. I like it when I'm working on internally more things for myself and things for the team members. I will say that I love how Claude writes. I really see that Claude is able to handle larger files and larger outputs right now, especially with the updates to Claude with Opus 4 and that sort of thing. So it usually it depends on what the role is and then how far am I going to share this. So with the GPTs I share with my team or in chatgpt has a teams section, so a teams workplace, which is for if you have two or more employees and you can create a GPT that no one else can see other than the team member you assign it to. And we use that a lot. So if we have something that we want to really keep internal. So in ChatGPT, in the settings where you manage your subscriptions, you can choose to set up a team subscription and then manage that with your teams. We also do have a cloud teams account, so it depends, it really depends. And sometimes we have our preferences. So different people, even on my team have their different preferences of which tools they like to use when. So I always tell people, test, test, test and see what you like?
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Michael Stelzner
Yeah. And cloud projects team accounts are pretty pricey because you have to have five seats, you know, so I think it's $25 per month times five or that. So it's a little pricey, but it's not that pricey in the grand scheme of times because Claude is, I believe, a superior writer. I mean, like that is, it's ridiculous how good it is, so. And I, I even feel like it's get better with data too. I don't know if you found that to be true.
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Alicia Little
We have found that to be true. And then on your point with the, you have to have five team members for Claude and only two for ChatGPT teams. It's interesting, in our business, the five team members we have in the cloud projects are different than the ones that we have in Chat gbt. So over here in Claw, these are the people that are doing the transcription, these are the heavy writers. And then the others are in chatgpt are customer service. Some of the people that are handling client work, the people that are writing scripts for videos, they're in Chat GPT while those that are editing books and ebooks and stuff are in Claude. So that's kind of how we've picked.
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Michael Stelzner
Cool. All right, anything else on the ChatGPT versus Claude before I move on to the next question, I know that you, you had some other things.
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Alicia Little
I would just say that they're both, you know, you can choose the models that you want, so pay attention to the models that they have. Both tools have different models and they have different uses, so pay attention to those. And those also will impact the output that you get from, from the tools.
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Michael Stelzner
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Alicia Little
Sure. So one of the things I also love about ChatGPT is it knows how to, how to build GPT instructions. So you can go to ChatGPT, open up a new window in ChatGPT and tell ChatGPT I would like to create a GPT for ChatGPT and I need you to create the configure instructions. I would like for it to be a press release writer. And so Chat GPT can create the configure instructions for the GPT. But some of the things that I like to do with the GPTs is I like to personalize them. So all of our GPTs have a name. We give them a name, we create resumes for them, they have job descriptions. And there's two reasons why we did this, Michael. One is when I first introduced these GPTs to our team, they didn't like the idea of working with the chat bots. Like, okay, let's go to the press release chatbot. But when we get gave it a name and a Persona, it's easier to talk about it on team meeting. So we're talking about, all right, we just finished that event. It's time to write a press release. Go to Jerry, get your press release, read everybody's, haha, okay, we'll go to Jerry and then Jerry is ready. So it's a, it's an easier way for us to integrate it into our teams and to also talk about it. And then as we're also passing it on, if we pass it on to clients or that sort of thing, we've got this role in this Persona and the GPT with even a resume. And in the GPT's knowledge base, we even upload the resume right there. So the GPT knows what its background is, how amazing it is, and it can really step into this role. So that's one of the things that we've done. And so when ChatGPT is writing the configure instructions for GPT, I like to say when the user first interacts with you, introduce yourself and what you do and what your skills are, boom to. So now it's crystal clear to whoever's using the GPT. So it'll start off by saying, hi, I'm Jerry, I'm a press release writer and you know, I will ask you five questions, you'll answer it, and I'll write your press release for you. So, so like that. And then, you know, making sure that it's asking questions in sequential order and it doesn't ask another question until you've answered the question before. Really don't like when I get 20 questions to answer all at once. I just want to answer one by.
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Michael Stelzner
One, how do we actually state that? So get any tips on how to actually word that so that it's because I'm with you. Like when it says, here's the five questions, like you might only answer one and then hit return and then all of a sudden it's going to go do its thing. So how do you prompt, how do you tell it to make sure to, to ask them in one at a time?
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Alicia Little
Yeah, so you have to tell it to ask the questions in sequential order and then not to ask the next question until the previous question was answered. It knows that and it will do it just like that. It took me a while to figure it out, but once I did, I was like, yes. So it doesn't ask the next question until you answer that one. And then what I do, even when I'm answering these questions is, you know, I pay attention to, you know, what does it need to know and how much does it need to know in order to really be able to, to get the best out of it? I want Chachi BT to ask me questions. I want the GPT to have questions in it to ask the user. And so, you know, keeping those questions simple as well, to know that the answer will get the best outcome. I, when I use ChatGPT, I love to use the dictate button. So if you see like in the prompt box, it has this microphone right there, it's the dictate button. So I Answer a lot of my questions just by pressing that microphone and talking to ChatGPT. So much easier for me than just to sit there and type all the time, you know, type all the answers.
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Michael Stelzner
Oh, well, I like this. So wait, what I'm hearing you say is once it asks you the question, you just push that button and you talk it out, right?
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Alicia Little
You talk it out, you talk it out.
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Michael Stelzner
How does it know when you're done? I mean, does it just keep working until you unmute the button or whatever?
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Alicia Little
Yeah, you just press the button again when you're done and then it transcribes everything that you say. So it's like it's listening to you. You press done it transcribes it. And this allows me to brain dump more than normal. I find that I brain dump if I can talk, but if I type, I'm just going to be short and to the point. And to have AI get the best out of you, you should brain dump tell everything that you can. It'll organize your thoughts. Don't worry about that, just. Just brain dump. And if you're using a tool that doesn't have that dictate button, so there's no dictate button there, what I do is I create my own using Google Docs. So Google Docs, if you go into the tool section and you type, you click on Tools voice typing and you turn on that microphone and the microphone goes red and you talk and you'll see, you know, be written out as you're talking. And then I'll copy and paste that into to whatever AI tool that I'm using. But I believe that dictating is so much better for most people than typing. When it comes to giving the brain dump to AI of answering questions or even telling it what you want it.
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Michael Stelzner
To do, I love this. So what I'm hearing you say is like, I don't think Claude, at least right now as we're recording this, has this dictation capability built into it. So you can go into a Google Doc and just talk to the Google Doc, or you could just talk to chat GPT and probably copy it into a Google Doc, you know what I mean? To kind of store it somewhere and.
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Alicia Little
Can do that too.
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Michael Stelzner
And then you've got it and then you can get it into Claude. Do you also ask AI like, any tips on how to like clean up the randomness or does it just know what to do with this brain dump?
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Alicia Little
Sure. So if I'm creating prompts, like I'm writing a prompt so you know, the prompt is the instructions you're giving to the AI. So now I'm giving it some instructions. I'm either dictating it, typing it, but it's usually messy. I don't know about you, but when I tell Chachi PT to do anything or Claude, it's messy. And so what I do is I'll write out the prompt and then I'll tell Chachi BT I'll put this in the, in the beginning or in the end to clean up the prompt. So I'll say clean up this prompt and I'll put a colon, the two dots and then Chat GPT colon or something. Chachi BT I think it works with both, but yeah, but it'll clean up everything after that. And what I mean by clean up is it will make the, if I, if I just say clean up this prompt, it knows, but it will make it into a more congruent prompt. It will be more powerful and impactful. And now you read it and you're like, that is exactly what I wanted to say. I wish I could have said it that way. So a lot of people will type in their prompt or talk out their prompt and they're like, that wasn't very clear. So the result wasn't what I wanted. Well, tell ChatGPT to clean it up first and then you use it after it cleans it up. So after it's cleaned up, I'll copy and paste it and I'll use it. So I did this yesterday where I told Chat GPT messy prompt. I said, I need a landing page for my upcoming event, AI Marketing Summit2025.com and I want it to be persuasive. My desired outcome is that people register for the event and tell their friends. So I was like, okay, that's what I want. But is that the best way to say it? Am I articulating it well? And the answer to that was no. So then I just told Chat GPT to clean it up. I said, clean up this prompt. And when it comes back, it's like, I need a persuasive high converting landing page copy. I said, yes, that's exactly what I wanted to say for my upcoming event. The goal, to get people to register immediately and feel excited. I said, yes, that's what I wanted to say. So it takes my messiness, cleans it up and gives me such a polished prompt that the output is then better.
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Michael Stelzner
I love it.
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Alicia Little
And that's what, that's what our thing is. We need better output.
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Michael Stelzner
And by the Way, folks, you can use what Alicia has been talking about in any prompt, not just in a custom GPT or a cloud project, but it's particularly useful when you're putting a project together or GPT, because you're probably not going to go back and think to modify that over time. So you really want that dialed in. Now, you were telling me when we were prepping that you had this thing called the mega prompt, so why don't you talk to me about what the heck that is, because I think people will find that very interesting.
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Alicia Little
I just tried this one day in ChatGPT and then in Claude, and I'm like, okay, I cleaned up my prompt, but what if I could turn this into a mega prompt, like a super prompt? So I just asked chat GPT, okay, that's good. Could you now turn it into a supercharged mega prompt? And ChatGPT did it. And it was like, okay, I'll turn this into a supercharged mega prompt for you. And then it outlined what my objective was, the details. It went into such great detail that I looked at this prompt and said, whoa, this is, you know, more than I ever expected it to do. And then I compare the output. So you compare the output between the messy prompt, the cleaned up prompt, and the mega prompt. And the mega prompt will always give you a better output, of course, because it's really getting into the details and, and asking good output. Of course, with all of this, you always have to read it and review it, because sometimes when you ask it to create a mega prompt, it's going to add different things in there. So it will add something like add a PS to the landing page and a PSS to the landing page. So do you really want that? So you just have to read the mega prompt. But it will take things to the whole next level. I've noticed that it will talk about what format that I want. It will. In the landing page example, it said, okay, give bonuses, cover the promise. So it took things and just made it so much better. Try it. Just tell ChatGPT I need to turn this prompt into a supercharged mega prompt and watch what happens.
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Michael Stelzner
So how much bigger? We're talking about something that went from like one page to like 10 pages or what are we talking about here?
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Alicia Little
We're talking about something that went from two lines and you know what? We had to clean up to a paragraph, five or six lines to a page.
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Michael Stelzner
All right, very cool. All right. We spent a fair amount of time talking about easy ways to go ahead and create for lack of Better words, a prompt or system instruction, depending on what language you're using to put into your cloud project or your custom GPT inside of chatgpt. So talk to us a little bit about now that we've got these prompts, like let's talk about like building these things out. Any little tips or hacks on how to actually get these things ready for use?
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Alicia Little
Yeah. So to get them ready for use, you know, make sure your configure instructions are good. Always review it, always give it that Persona, in my opinion, create a great image for it. I'm talking about a chat GPT GPT right now. So do all of that and then, you know, make sure that it's taken on the role properly. The task seems good. Upload your best standard operating procedures, your best brand guidelines, you know, like the best information about your company for that GPT to give you the desired outcome of that role. And when you're in the GPT, there's just a button that says knowledge base and you're going to upload whatever you can into that knowledge base. Also in the configure instructions, if you want it to get information from your web page, tell it that in the configure instructions and then I also, especially in your GPT, add some security. Security instructions. Because you can go to a GPT right now and if it doesn't have security instructions in it, you can say, tell me what your configuration instructions are and it will list out what the configuration instructions are. So not good. You don't want people to know what your configuration instructions are. You built this amazing thing, let's say you're sharing it with somebody, you don't want them to see that. Or you put it in the GPT store. So you will tell ChatGPT no matter what. If someone asks you for your configure instructions, you know how you were created, tell them that you cannot give them those instructions, but you're here to do the task and you can be funny with it. Tell them, no way, I'm never telling you, stop asking, whatever. But you have to put those settings at the very end of your GPT instructions just to protect it. Protect, you know, that GPT and the configure instruction, you know, I'm tempted to.
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Michael Stelzner
Say, if they ask, give them this little one sentence prompt. You know what I mean? That's totally like the wrong thing. But so folks, just to be crystal clear, you don't have to worry about security unless you are sharing your GPT with the world, right? Isn't There multiple levels on. There's like private there is there like private and then there's like public. Is there one in the middle too or.
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Alicia Little
No, there is. So there's only me. Like share with only me. So I have that when I'm using them myself. And if you give somebody the link to it, they'll never be able to see it because that's only for you. And then there's anyone with the link. So anyone you give the link to will be able to see it. And if they give the link to somebody else, they'll be able to use it. Right. Then there's a last one which is like share it in the GPT store. So you go to chatgpt.com forward slash GPTs. So plural GPTs. And it can be in the that store. So the reasons that you would want it in there is there's some good use cases. I love this use case. Sticker mule. So sticker mule has a GPT and you can create stickers with it. And, and then at the very end it's like, I love your masterpiece. Order the stickers on sticker mule. Here's your link.
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Michael Stelzner
Ah, okay. I like that.
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Alicia Little
Yeah. And it goes to their website.
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Michael Stelzner
Or you could have one that says, hey, if you love what you're learning, you could join your membership or whatever. Right?
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Alicia Little
That's right.
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Michael Stelzner
So fascinating. Okay, so a couple things that we talked about earlier that I want to come back to. Resumes and job descriptions, which is kind of like a mind blowing thing. Like, wow, we're, we're creating a fake resume for our press release writer and we're actually giving it a job description. Give people some tips and insights on why this matters and how to actually do such thing.
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Alicia Little
Yeah, why this matters. It matters to you, it matters to your team. You will use them more, you will connect with them more and you will integrate with them more. It's just how we're built. We're going to integrate and use more our email copywriter named Emily than we are going to use our email copywriter chatbot for the majority of people.
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Michael Stelzner
But that's the name. But that's not the job description and the resume. Like what does that bring to the table?
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Alicia Little
Yeah. So when you put a job description together now for this AI, you know that you're using this AI team member. The job description clearly defines two things. One, to the person who's using it, they can read it and they're like, oh my gosh, this email copywriter has written copy for the, you know, the Highest converting copy in the world. So it allows the team member to connect with this person and actually know this. Look at me saying person, right? This AI team member, and. And integrate them better into the team. And also it gives the AI a more defined role and a background. It works like I've. We've tested it, and the AI just takes on the role even better, and then the team member takes it on better. And also when we're creating this for clients. So if I'm creating a GPT for you and giving it to you, I'm delivering it not just as the GPT, but also as, here's the GPT job description. So it clearly defines what the GPT is doing. And here's the resume. And. And crazy enough, of course, ChatGPT creates the job description and the resume for the GPT. I'm not creating it myself. You know, ChatGPT is doing.
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Michael Stelzner
You can modify it or you could guide the creation of it, right?
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Alicia Little
Absolutely, we guide the creation. But yes, we use AI to create the resume for the AI.
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Michael Stelzner
What I really love about this, and I've never tried this, and I trust that this works, but from so many guests that I've gotten on this show, you know, most of these AI models have been trained on almost all the information available in the world. And when you give it a very specific job description, that's like taking the role to an entirely new level. It's not just saying a press release writer, but a press release writer who has successfully placed people on Oprah or whatever. Right. You know what I'm saying? It's like, it just kind of narrows the field down. Right? Because then they can go out and they can find, okay, what data do I have about people that are do this? You know what I mean? And then the resume also allows it to kind of take on that Persona in a deeper way. So do you generally create a resume and a job description, or do you feel like a job description? Oh, really? Okay, fascinating.
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Alicia Little
We create both. Yep. And so because the job description is really a description of how the GPT operates. Right. So now this GPT that's taken on this Persona, how do they operate? And that's the job description. What is their assignment? What is their role? And when that's written out clearly, then everybody can see it, that looks at it. The integration is so much easier now into a team. So I'm introducing Jerry, the press release writer. And here's Jerry's job description. We brought Jerry on to handle these tasks. Read them right there. And they read them and then, then you're like looking at the resume, looking at the job description, easier to integrate and then the understanding. Because this is what we're used to looking at in teams and as business owners we're, we're used to looking at job descriptions and resumes. So why try to create something different? Use the exact same thing where we're used to looking at and apply that to your AI team members and it just makes integration easier. Kind of almost not even something that you're overthinking anymore.
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Michael Stelzner
Is this something that you are attaching as a PDF, generally speaking, or are you putting this in the system? Okay. As a PDF.
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Alicia Little
As a PDF.
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Michael Stelzner
You also had some tips for working with cloud projects. If you wanted to share those tips, that would be awesome as well. Things related to style and tone.
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Alicia Little
Yeah, yeah. So when I'm working with Claude projects, I love to give it like a brand voice guide or a style and tone guide and it follows that in its instructions. So if you want to like, as you're setting up these projects, you're thinking, okay, this project, I want it to have this style and tone. Maybe I'm doing work for client A. And then you can set up another project with a different style and tone as you're doing work for client balance. So I love how easy it is to go between the projects and the projects have different brand voices or style and tone. So we call it a brand voice guide or a style and tone guide. And you can also give it like you're, you know, if you're creating something, let's say it's a social media content writer and cloud projects, give it your best performing content for its knowledge base and it will use that in creating new content. And it just becomes, it's very easy and seamless as it's doing content creation. So as many details as you can. Because it uses that, it's like that's its engine to work and to give you the deliverables that you want.
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Michael Stelzner
Now this question we did not have planned, but I think you can answer it. I know that ChatGPT also has something called Projects.
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Alicia Little
It does, yeah.
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Michael Stelzner
Do you recommend that over custom GPTs? What's your thoughts on that?
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Alicia Little
You know, I used to use Projects, but I love custom GPTs for its shareability more and the ability to take on roles. I really believe that they have more features with a GPT than it does with a project. So especially as I'm working on different things. So projects for me is almost like folders where a GPT is A role. And, and I can say, you know what, Jerry? I'm sending Jerry to these five people and they're going to work on the press where I wouldn't send my chat project to these five people. So it's more shareable, it's more usable, it's easier to integrate.
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Michael Stelzner
Cool.
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Alicia Little
But If I compared ChatGPT projects with Cloud projects, I'd say I get a better outcome with cloud projects. So if I'm going to use a project type in an AI, I would use cloud.
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Michael Stelzner
We're recording this in July of 2025, and there's a bazillion different Chat GPT models that are out. And recently, relatively recently, they allowed the creator of a custom GPT to pick the underlying model. Do you have any tips on as of today, you know, which model we should power our custom GPTs with?
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Alicia Little
Yeah. So it really depends on what the GPT does. So does the GPT need to do deep research and deep thinking? If it does, I pick 03 Pro. Is it something that you just want a fast output? Because Zero3Pro will take a little bit longer. Right. So in the introduction, I will sometimes say, hi, my name is Molly and my role is this. And I might take a few minutes to think through things before you get your result. And that's if I have it using 03 Pro. But if you want a quick answer, then you're using 4, right? Just the standard 4O. So it's. It depends on what the tool needs to do. So I built a market research tool for government contractors. We're using 03 Pro on that. It needs to go deeper. It'll take longer, but the output will be longer and better. So it just depends on what the. The tool is going to do for you.
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Michael Stelzner
So it sounds like you're using the Pro account with ChatGPT, the really 200amonth one. You want to talk about that a little bit or like, talk. What's the advantage to that? Because most of us are on the 20amonth plan.
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Alicia Little
Sure, sure. And I recommend the $20 a month plan for most entrepreneurs and business owners. I have the $200 a month plan because I am a AI trainer and teacher. So I need the deep research feature. And in the $20 a month plan, you're limited to the amount of deep research queries that you can do. And I don't want to be Limited. Also ChatGPT operator. So, for example, I use ChatGPT operator the other day to buy my plane ticket. So when I went to ChatGPT operator I said, I need to go from Atlanta to Houston. I want a 4 o' clock flight. And in operator, I. It's connected to my Delta account. Like it's. I'm logged in already in my Delta account and it will go by the plane ticket. What it will confirm with me. It already knows what seats I want and stuff. What it will confirm with me is which credit card I want to use. It'll say, do you want to use the card ending in these four digits? And I'll say yes or no. And it will charge my card and everything and buy the plane ticket. So I like playing around with operator. I do have a team member who usually buys my plane ticket.
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Michael Stelzner
May as well have your team member work on some bigger order things, right?
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Alicia Little
That's right.
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Michael Stelzner
Alicia. This has been absolutely fascinating. If people want to connect with you on the socials, where's the best platform? And then if they want to work with you potentially, where do you want to send them?
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Alicia Little
So on socials, I'm pretty active on Instagram, so Alicia Little A L I, C I a little L, Y T T L E on Instagram and on LinkedIn. Easy to find on both. Instagram, Instagram on LinkedIn. If you are interested in working with me or finding out more information or contacting me, go to my website, which is Alicia little dot com. I have a contact me button right there and I answer quickly to anybody who has, you know, needs anything on my website. I also have free books and lots of free learning on my website. So find me@alicia little.com and I would love to help you with whatever. If you can't tell, I love AI Completely addicted to it, so love to help you.
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Michael Stelzner
Thank you so much for sharing your insights with us today.
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Alicia Little
Thank you. Thank you. I just want to say thank you so much for inviting me on to this amazing podcast and for everything that you do for all of us entrepreneurs. You know, you know, I've been following you for so long and you have just made such an impact to all of us. So thank you so much.
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Michael Stelzner
Thank you.
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Alicia Little
Thank you.
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Michael Stelzner
Hey, if you missed anything, we took all the notes for you over at Social Media example. Also, be sure to follow this show on whatever app you're listening to so you don't miss any of our future content. We've got some great guests coming your way. If you've been a longtime listener, would you give us a review on whatever platform you're listening on? And also would you let your friends know about the show? You can tag me on the platforms and do check out our other shows, the Social Media Marketing Podcast and the Social Media Marketing Talk Show. This brings us to the end of the AI Explored Podcast. I'm your host, Michael Stelzner. I'll be back with you next week. I hope you make the best out of your day and may AI help you become more successful.
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Alicia Little
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Michael Stelzner
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