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If your sales team is stuck at 25% conversion despite investing in AI tools, this episode reveals why most AI pilots fail - and the sales methodology audit every Revenue Leader should run first. Sales strategy expert Aleasha Bahr (author of Black Sheep Sales) walks through the 3-step diagnostic to identify broken sales processes, explains the difference between "Admin Drag" (tasks AI should handle) and "Relationship Moments" (where humans must stay in control), and shares the counterintuitive truth about taking fewer calls to close more revenue. You'll learn: Why "automating a broken process" is the #1 reason AI pilots end up in "Pilot Purgatory" How to identify if your team is wasting capacity on leads that were never going to close Where AI actually fits in a high-converting sales workflow (hint: it's not messaging) The Sales Methodology Audit framework to run before your next AI investment Aleasha's methodology has helped clients achieve 80% lead conversion rates - without pressure tactics or massive AI stacks. Over 15 years in the sales trenches, she's helped sell tens of millions in offers by focusing on what most teams skip: a repeatable, authentic process built on clarity and connection. Your sales team isn't selling. They're updating CRM fields, doing prospect research, chasing down meeting notes - spending 70% of their time on what Mike Allton calls "Admin Drag." And here's the kicker: You've probably already tried to fix this with an AI pilot. But six months later, the conversion rates are still stuck, the pipeline is still stalled, and you're wondering if you just wasted another chunk of budget on software that promised magic but delivered more logins your team ignores. Here's what nobody's telling you: The problem isn't the AI. The problem is that you're automating a broken sales process. If you can't answer the question "What does a high-converting sales process actually look like?" - then no chatbot, no cadence tool, no "AI SDR" is going to save you. This is the pre-mortem you should have run six months ago. Download the free Executive Guide to Shadow AI: theaihat.com/shadow-ai 00:00 The Problem with Too Many Sales Calls 01:17 Introduction to The AI Hat Podcast 02:26 The Hidden Costs of Admin Drag 03:12 Introducing Aleasha Bahr and Black Sheep Sales 04:33 Key Elements of a High-Converting Sales Process 10:46 The Role of AI in Sales Efficiency 18:46 Balancing AI and Human Touch in Sales 34:08 Final Thoughts and Resources Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Here's what's happening in your sales org right now. Your top rep just walked into a meeting with a six-figure prospect. And she's completely winging it - not because she's unprepared, but because she spent the last 45 minutes in back-to-back calls and didn't have time to research. Meanwhile, her competitor walked in knowing the prospect's company announced a hiring freeze last week, that the VP is stressed about doing more with less, and exactly which case study would resonate. How? They didn't spend 45 minutes on LinkedIn. They hired a Digital Crew member to do the research for them. This is Episode 03 of our Launch Trilogy - and today we execute. I'm going to walk you through creating The Pre-Flight Agent: an AI teammate that researches your prospects while you sleep and drops a strategic battle card in your inbox before every sales call. You'll learn: Why this is agentic AI, not just automation (the AI uses discretion - like a Tesla factory vs. Ford's 1913 assembly line) The 3-component architecture every AI agent needs (Trigger, Brain, Action) How to build this in Zapier with zero coding (I just built this myself - I'll show you the exact steps) The "Context Block" secret that turns generic summaries into strategic intelligence The Traffic Light safety check (public data only - no risk) The ROI math: How 5 hours saved per week = $500k in monthly pipeline capacity for a 10-person team I'm not a futurist selling science fiction. I'm the Director of Partner-led Growth at Agorapulse. I carry quota pressure. I built this agent over the weekend, and it saved me 4 hours this week. This episode is your blueprint. And here's what's beautiful - this agent makes your reps MORE human, not less. Because they show up prepared, empathetic, and asking questions that prove they actually care about solving the prospect's problem. Build the MVP this week. Test it. Then imagine your entire Digital Crew: Proposal Agents, Roleplay Agents, Pipeline Health Agents. The technology exists. The only limit is your architecture. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Right now, while you're listening to this, one of your sales reps is pasting customer data into ChatGPT. Your marketing manager just uploaded strategic memos to Claude. And your IT department has no idea. Welcome to Shadow AI. Research shows that while only 40% of companies have official enterprise AI licenses, 90% of employees are using AI tools through personal accounts. Your team isn't trying to sabotage you - they're trying to survive the "Admin Drag" we discussed in Episode 01. The question isn't whether they're using AI. They are. The question is: Are you going to hide from it, or are you going to lead it? In this episode, Mike Allton tackles the biggest obstacle standing between you and effective AI implementation: governance. He breaks down why the typical corporate response - the "ban hammer" - doesn't just fail, it makes the problem worse by driving AI usage completely underground where you have zero visibility. You'll discover: Why 90% of employees are "Shadow Users" leveraging personal AI accounts to hit their goals The three scenarios currently creating data leaks in most revenue organizations (PII in free tools, unreleased product details in public galleries, customer records in unsecured platforms) Why your team isn't being malicious - they're being desperate (and what that tells you about your tech stack) The "Traffic Light System": A simple 3-tier framework (Green/Yellow/Red) that employees actually remember How to launch a 30-Day Amnesty Program that brings Shadow AI into the light without creating a witch hunt The 7-day implementation roadmap to go from "Shadow Risk" to "Sanctioned Speed" This isn't about punishing innovation. It's about governing it. Because when you sanction Shadow AI, you don't just reduce risk - you unlock velocity. Mike walks you through the exact email templates, survey questions, and policy frameworks you need to turn your biggest security vulnerability into a competitive advantage. Featured Framework: The 30-Day Amnesty Program - discover what tools your team is actually using (and why your official stack is failing them) Featured Resource: The Shadow AI Governance Launchpad - includes the Traffic Light cheat sheet, amnesty email script, and AI Use Policy template ready for Legal review Download here: https://theaihat.com/the-executive-guide-to-shadow-ai-from-security-risk-to-competitive-advantage/ Next Episode: We move from governance to implementation. You'll learn how to hire your first Digital Crew member - a Sales Prep Agent that researches prospects 15 minutes before every call and delivers a Battle Card to your rep's inbox. If you're a VP of Sales, CRO, or RevOps Director who needs to secure your team while enabling them to move faster, this is your playbook. Episode Timestamps 00:00 Introduction to Shadow AI 00:26 The Reality of Unapproved AI Usage 02:21 The Risks of Shadow AI 03:55 The Ineffectiveness of Banning AI 07:21 Sanctioning AI for Safety and Efficiency 08:35 Implementing the Traffic Light System 10:25 Rolling Out the AI Amnesty Program 13:08 Final Thoughts and Next Steps 14:52 Conclusion and Wrap-Up Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Your sales team is brilliant. But they're spending 70% of their week doing work a robot could do in 10 minutes. And you're paying them six figures to do it. Welcome to the "Year of Reckoning." Your board is demanding AI automation. They want results. But recent research shows that 95% of enterprise AI pilots represent zero P&L impact. In this episode, Mike Allton breaks down exactly why those pilots are failing - and it's not the technology. It's something he calls "Admin Drag" - the invisible productivity killer that turns your thoroughbred sales talent into data entry clerks. You'll discover: Why layering AI on top of broken workflows just accelerates failure The "GenAI Divide": What separates the 5% of Future-Built companies from the 95% stuck in Pilot Purgatory How to navigate board pressure to cut headcount while scaling revenue (without replacing your A-players with chatbots) The "Admin Audit" framework: A tactical exercise to identify which tasks are bleeding hours from your revenue engine Why automating the OUTPUT (customer conversations) is killing your pipeline - and what to automate instead This isn't theory. Mike is the Director of Partner-led Growth at Agorapulse and has been architecting AI workflows for revenue teams since 2024. He's a practitioner who carries quota pressure - not a futurist selling science fiction. If you're a VP of Sales, CRO, or Agency Owner tired of AI tools that promise magic but deliver busywork, this is your operational playbook. Featured Framework: The Admin Audit - identify the "robot work" killing your team's capacity Next Episode: We tackle Shadow AI - the unsanctioned tools your team is already using, and how to govern them before they become a data leak. Chapters: 00:00 Introduction: The Talent Crisis in Sales 02:10 The AI HAT Podcast: What to Expect 03:05 The Reality of AI in 2026 05:55 The Gen AI Divide: 95% vs. 5% 10:23 The Efficiency Paradox and Admin Drag 11:55 Your Homework: Conduct an Admin Audit 13:29 Conclusion: Architecting for Revenue Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Your revenue team is brilliant, but they are drowning. Research shows that high-performing sales and marketing professionals waste nearly 70% of their time on "Admin Drag"—non-revenue generating tasks like data entry, meeting prep, and internal reporting. You are paying top-tier talent for low-value work. In this special trailer episode, Revenue Architect Mike Allton unveils the new mission for The AI Hat Podcast: AI for Revenue Leaders. We are moving beyond the hype of chatbots and prompt engineering to focus on the operational reality of the "Year of Reckoning." This new season is dedicated to helping VPs, Directors, and Agency Owners build the "Digital Crews" that work alongside their humans. In this new chapter, we explore: The Agentic Shift: Moving from tools that talk to agents that do. Sanctioning the Shadow: Turning the security risk of "Shadow AI" into a competitive advantage. Revenue Architecture: Practical blueprints for fixing broken workflows in Sales, Marketing, and Partnerships. Whether you lead a team of fifty or a team of one, this is your operational playbook for the Agentic Era. Next Step: Secure your team before you scale them. Download the Executive Guide to Shadow AI at TheAIHat.com/shadow-ai. Connect with Mike: LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/mikeallton Website: TheAIHat.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You've got seventeen AI tools scattered across your browser tabs right now, don't you? Yet somehow you're still manually doing the same repetitive tasks that drove you to purchase those licenses in the first place. Whether you're a solopreneur building your empire or leading a team trying to eliminate admin drag, here's the brutal truth - most entrepreneurs are picking AI tools like they're shopping for shiny objects at a tech bazaar, grabbing whatever looks innovative without any strategic thinking behind it. Kevin Williams, CEO and Co-Founder of an AI enablement company, has cracked the code that most of us struggle with: building a daily workflow using tools like n8n, Gamma, and Whisper Flow that actually simplifies operations instead of complicating them. This guy has taken his company philosophy of "adventure, education, automation" and applied it to create a personal tech stack that's so effective, he literally can't imagine working without these specific applications. In this episode, Kevin pulls back the curtain on exactly which tools made the cut and why - plus the strategic thinking that separates useful AI from expensive digital clutter. You'll discover his decision-making framework for evaluating new tools, how his essential stack works together to create seamless automation, and why fewer, better-integrated tools beat sprawling collections of disconnected AI applications. Because at the end of the day, it's not about having more AI tools - it's about having the right tools working together like a well-oiled machine to reclaim your time and focus on what actually drives results. The AI Hat Podcast host Mike Allton asked Kevin Williams about: ✨ Strategic Tool Selection Framework - Learn the decision-making process Kevin uses to separate genuinely useful AI tools from shiny object syndrome purchases. ✨ Essential Daily Workflow Stack - Discover the specific tools Kevin can't live without and how they work together to create seamless automation. ✨ Quality Over Quantity Approach - Understand why fewer, better-integrated tools beat a sprawling collection of disconnected AI applications. Learn more about Kevin Williams Connect with Kevin Williams on LinkedIn Resources & Brands mentioned in this episode Ascend AI Labs N8n Zapier Gamma Wispr Flow Magai Apify Scalability Audit Explore past episodes of the The AI Hat Podcast podcast CHAPTERS: 00:00 The Illusion of Productivity 01:44 Introducing The AI Hat Podcast 02:06 The AI Tool Dilemma 02:41 Meet Kevin Williams: AI Expert 03:31 Strategic Thinking in AI Tool Selection 05:25 Exploring n8n: The Workflow Game-Changer 10:23 The Power of Community and Shareability in n8n 18:07 Gamma: Revolutionizing Presentations 24:25 Discovering Wispr Flow: A Game-Changer in Dictation 24:54 The Power of LLM Layered Dictation Tools 26:00 Maximizing Output with Dictation 29:38 Integrating AI Tools in Daily Workflow 29:50 Magai: Simplifying AI for Businesses 30:48 Choosing and Integrating AI Tools 32:37 Philosophy of Adventure, Education, and Automation 34:00 Building Effective AI Workflows 34:37 Avoiding Common AI Tool Mistakes 36:47 Chaining Tasks with AI Tools 39:03 Auditing and Streamlining Your Tech Stack 44:06 Final Thoughts and Recommendations 48:00 Conclusion and Contact Information Show Notes & Full Transcript: https://theaihat.com/why-most-entrepreneurs-pick-the-wrong-ai-tools-an-ai-ceos-essential-daily-stack-that-actually-works/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Is your AI system making decisions that could be quietly costing you customers and talent? Every day, businesses are implementing AI solutions that may be perpetuating gender biases without even realizing it. From recruitment tools that favor certain demographics to customer service chatbots that respond differently based on perceived gender, these hidden biases aren't just an ethical concern – they're a serious business problem that affects your bottom line. But here's the good news: identifying and eliminating these biases isn't just possible – it's a game-changing opportunity for your business. Today's guest is leading the charge in transforming how organizations approach AI equity, and she's going to share exactly how you can audit and improve your AI systems. I'm thrilled to welcome Dr. Nici Sweaney, a globally recognized leader in ethical AI and the founder of AI Her Way. As the architect of the EquiAI Framework, she's helped over 60 organizations implement ethical AI solutions that drive real results. She's advised the United Nations, World Bank, and shaped Australia's Responsible AI Use Guidelines. Named one of Microsoft News' "Top 10 Trailblazing Entrepreneurs in AI to Follow in 2024," Dr. Sweaney is exactly who we need to help us understand and tackle the challenge of AI bias. The AI Hat Podcast host Mike Allton asked Dr Nici Sweaney about: ✨ Audit Your AI Systems: Understanding your current AI tools and their potential biases is the crucial first step. ✨ Framework for Success: The EquiAI Framework provides a structured approach to implementing ethical AI solutions. ✨ Business Impact Matters: Gender-equitable AI leads to better decision-making, broader market reach, and improved innovation. Learn more about Dr Nici Sweaney Connect with Dr Nici Sweaney on LinkedIn Follow Dr. Nici Sweaney on Instagram Resources & Brands mentioned in this episode AI Her Way H.U.M.A.N. Framework for AI Adoption Magai The Surprising Truth About AI Adoption in Marketing Teams w/ Lightricks & AMA AI Work Buddy Grab the free Scalability Audit and find your leaky buckets Follow Mike Allton on Instagram and get more AI tips Explore past episodes of the The AI Hat Podcast podcast CHAPTERS: 00:00 Understanding AI Risks and Opportunities 01:29 Introduction to The AI Hat Podcast 03:43 Welcome Dr. Nici Sweaney 04:25 Identifying Gender Bias in AI 08:17 Strategies to Mitigate AI Bias 14:58 The EquiAI Framework 17:31 Implementing AI Literacy and Strategy 20:31 Building Internal AI Capabilities 21:28 Sponsor Message: Magai 22:26 Ensuring AI Equity Across Departments 25:22 Real-World Examples of AI Failures and Successes 27:36 Leveraging AI for Small Business Success 29:02 Creating an AI Work Buddy 30:54 Starting Your AI Journey 35:43 The Future of Ethical AI 38:28 Conclusion and Resources SHOW TRANSCRIPT & NOTES: https://theaihat.com/the-hidden-biases-in-your-ai-and-how-to-fix-them/ Feeling stuck on the solopreneur hamster wheel? Diagnose your biggest bottleneck in just 15 minutes with my free Scalability Audit. Download it now at: https://theaihat.com/download/scalability/ Produced and Hosted by Mike Allton, founder of The AI Hat. He's a Business Systems Strategist who helps overworked solopreneurs and creators stop being employees in their own businesses. After building his own successful solo ventures for over a decade, Mike now teaches entrepreneurs how to build AI-powered operational systems that reclaim their time and allow them to finally scale. Interested in being a guest or sponsor? We're looking for experts who help solopreneurs build better, more scalable businesses. Reach out to Mike to learn more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ever feel like you're trapped in your own business success? In this solo episode, Mike shares his recent automation disaster in a St. Louis medical center waiting room and reveals why that frustration led to a breakthrough framework for building an AI Co-Founder that actually works. Discover the three "missing partners" every solopreneur needs, learn from Mike's Zapier experiment gone wrong, and get the exact 4-step process for building your first AI assistant that saves you 20+ hours per month. Key Takeaways The Three Missing Partners Every Solopreneur Needs: The Strategic Sounding Board (who asks the tough questions you avoid) The Brainstorming Buddy (who breaks through creative blocks) The Diligent Assistant (who handles the "admin avalanche") Why Mike's Zapier AI Agent Failed (And What It Teaches Us): Tried to make one AI wear too many hats Gave vague instructions instead of specific constraints Forgot that AI amplifies systems, it doesn't create them The 4-Step Process to Build Your First AI Assistant: The Brutally Honest Time Audit Pick Your First Victory (one specific, repetitive task) Deconstruct Like You're Training an Intern Build and Test Your AI Agent v1.0 Chapters 00:00 Introduction to AI for Solopreneurs 00:05 The Solopreneur Struggle with AI 04:04 The Three Missing Partners 06:56 Lessons from a Failed AI Experiment 08:08 Building Your AI Co-Founder 11:29 Practical Steps to Implement AI 19:38 The Solopreneur Scalability Audit 21:42 Conclusion and Final Thoughts Resources Mentioned 🔗 Take the Solopreneur Scalability Audit: theaihat.com/scalabilityStop guessing where your time goes - get your real numbers in 15 minutes 📖 Mike's AI Agent Reality Check: When AI Agents Meet Reality: My Hour-and-a-Half Wake-Up Call 🎯 Work With Mike: theaihat.com/work-with-me Full Transcript: https://theaihat.com/tired-of-flying-solo-how-to-build-your-ai-co-founder/ Questions for Reflection What's your biggest "time vampire" - the repetitive task that drains your energy daily? If you could clone yourself for just one business function, what would it be? What automation project have you started but never finished? Connect & Continue the Conversation 💬 Let's discuss: Drop a comment on Spotify or YouTube - what do you think your biggest time drain is right now? 📱 DM Mike on Instagram: @mike.allton for specific AI assistant guidance 🔔 Subscribe for more: The AI Hat Podcast 📧 Weekly AI insights: The AI Hat Newsletter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What if I told you that the secret to unlocking your team's creative potential isn't working harder—it's asking better questions? Here's the problem: Most business leaders are getting mediocre results from AI because they're playing it safe. They're asking vanilla questions and getting vanilla answers, then wondering why their competitors seem to be pulling ahead. You've invested time learning AI tools, maybe even paying for premium subscriptions, but your outputs still feel… mid. Generic. Safe. The kind of ideas that blend into the background noise of your industry. But what if the solution isn't better AI—it's better prompting? What if the key to breakthrough results lies in embracing what most people avoid: bad ideas? Today, I'm thrilled to welcome Jason Keath, founder of Social Fresh, who's been helping brands and agencies grow through social media since 2009. Jason's built one of the most respected voices in marketing, organizing conferences that bring together marketing leaders worldwide. He's worked with countless major brands and has recently cracked the code on something fascinating: creativity AI prompts that transform ordinary brainstorming into breakthrough business results. Jason's developed a collection of prompts that help teams find that creative-efficiency sweet spot—where human creativity meets AI productivity to drive real business growth. The AI Hat Podcast host Mike Allton asked Jason Keath about: ✨ Creative Prompt Engineering: Learn Jason's methodology for building AI prompts that generate breakthrough ideas rather than safe, generic outputs. ✨ Strategic Bad Ideas: Understand how embracing "bad" ideas as starting points leads to more innovative solutions and competitive advantages. ✨ Human-AI Creative Balance: Discover when to leverage AI for creative acceleration and when human insight and analysis remain irreplaceable for business success. Learn more about Jason Keath Connect with Jason Keath on LinkedIn Resources & Brands mentioned in this episode Social Fresh Creativity AI Prompts The Case for Bad Ideas Kieran Flanagan, “180 IQ Marketing Strategist prompt” How To Build and Use an AI Prompt Library What is a Custom GPT? How To Build GPTs More Bad Ideas Newsletter AI Primer: A Comprehensive Guide Magai Get Your AI Partner Explore past episodes of the The AI Hat Podcast podcast CHAPTERS: 00:00 Introduction: The Role of Humans in AI 00:34 Exploring AI's Business Capabilities 02:03 Podcast Introduction and Subscription Call 02:25 Unlocking Creative Potential with Better Questions 03:24 Guest Introduction: Jason Keith and Creativity AI Prompts 06:28 The Power of Long Prompts in AI Creativity 07:56 Embracing Bad Ideas for Better Creativity 10:44 Deep Dive into Creativity Marketing Prompts 15:30 Balancing AI Creativity and Human Strategy 17:35 Sponsor Message and Collaboration Council Prompt 23:00 Practical Tips for AI Creativity in Business 33:09 Conclusion and Contact Information SHOW TRANSCRIPT & NOTES: https://theaihat.com/the-creative-efficiency-sweet-spot-ai-prompts-for-business-breakthrough/ Feeling stuck on the solopreneur hamster wheel? Diagnose your biggest bottleneck in just 15 minutes with my free Scalability Audit. Download it now at: https://theaihat.com/download/scalability/ Produced and Hosted by Mike Allton, founder of The AI Hat. He's a Business Systems Strategist who helps overworked solopreneurs and creators stop being employees in their own businesses. After building his own successful solo ventures for over a decade, Mike now teaches entrepreneurs how to build AI-powered operational systems that reclaim their time and allow them to finally scale. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What if the biggest threat of AI isn't that it will take your job, but that it will trap you in the wrong job?I see solopreneurs everywhere using AI like a faster typewriter... trying to do their old work quicker instead of building a completely different kind of business. In this episode, I reveal how to escape the "Commodity Trap" that keeps you billing by the hour and competing on price, and transform into an irreplaceable strategic partner using my H.U.M.A.N. Framework. Through the story of Jenna, a freelance content creator who went from juggling 10 low-paying clients to serving 3 high-value strategic clients, you'll discover how to disconnect your income from your hours and build true scalability. I share my own journey from working late nights in bed on The AI Hat to creating systems that work without me, plus the three biggest mistakes solopreneurs make when trying to integrate AI into their business. Ready to stop being a commodity and start being irreplaceable? I walk you through the exact Scalability Audit process that reveals where your time really goes and what it's costing you. Download the free Scalability Guide at theaihat.com/scalability to get the step-by-step worksheets and start your transformation today. Key Takeaways: ✨ How to use my HUMAN framework to transform from "doer" to "strategic architect" ✨ The 3-step Scalability Audit that reveals your biggest time drains and their true cost ✨ Why Focusing on Ai Tools Instatead of Business Outcomes Keeps You Trapped in the commodity game Learn more about Mike Allton Follow Mike Allton on Instagram Resources & Brands mentioned in this episode The Scalability Audit Explore past episodes of the The AI Hat Podcast podcast CHAPTERS: 00:00 Introduction: The Real Threat of AI 00:22 The H.U.M.A.N. Framework Overview 02:01 Jenna's Story: The Commodity Trap 04:35 Harmonize: Discovering Unique Human Value 05:02 Understand: Leveraging AI and Human Strengths 05:35 Map: Architecting a Scalable Business Model 07:17 Adapt: Implementing AI Solutions 07:48 Nurture: Building Strategic Client Relationships 11:04 Common Mistakes and How to Avoid Them 12:46 Scalability Audit: Your First Step 15:30 Conclusion: Embrace the Future with AI SHOW TRANSCRIPT & NOTES: https://theaihat.com/stop-being-a-commodity-the-solopreneurs-guide-to-becoming-irreplaceable-with-ai/ Feeling stuck on the solopreneur hamster wheel? Diagnose your biggest bottleneck in just 15 minutes with my free Scalability Audit. Download it now at: https://theaihat.com/download/scalability/ Produced and Hosted by Mike Allton, founder of The AI Hat. He's a Business Systems Strategist who helps overworked solopreneurs and creators stop being employees in their own businesses. After building his own successful solo ventures for over a decade, Mike now teaches entrepreneurs how to build AI-powered operational systems that reclaim their time and allow them to finally scale. Interested in being a guest? We're looking for experts who help solopreneurs build better, more scalable businesses. Reach out to Mike to learn more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices