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In Part 1 of this two-part conversation, Anastassia and Dr. Andrée Bates take the concept of digital twins from its industrial roots — NASA rockets and GE power plants — all the way into the human body. Andrée unpacks what a true clinical-grade digital twin actually requires (individuation, credibility evidence, uncertainty quantification, and regulator-aligned analytical roles), and why many things called "digital twins" in healthcare today are really just well-marketed predictive models. The conversation travels through clinical trials, rare disease drug development, AI-assisted drug repurposing, and lands in genuinely mind-expanding territory: brain cells powering server farms, a non-invasive headband restoring speech to paralyzed patients, and the bold thesis that AI alone is not enough — that medicine needs physics embedded into its models.Key Takeaways:A real digital twin has three parts: a physical reference (the human), a virtual representation, and a live data link that continuously updates — without all three, it's just a predictive modelSynthetic control arms are already FDA- and EMA-accepted in clinical trials, especially for rare diseases where putting patients in a placebo arm would be unethical[1]Clinical-grade digital twins require four properties: individuation, formal verification/validation for regulators, calibrated uncertainty quantification (not point estimates), and a regulator-aligned statistical analysis planThe FDA approved digital twins for clinical trials in late 2022AI alone is insufficient for drug development — despite ~$20 billion invested, no AI-discovered drug has reached market yet; physics-based modeling ("world models") is the missing layerAI excels at drug repurposing, demonstrated powerfully during COVID with baricitinib and atazanavir identified from existing approved drugs8,000 rare diseases exist, but only ~100 have treatments — AI-driven matching of existing drugs to rare disease profiles is a massively under-leveraged opportunityFull-body digital twins remain a decade+ away due to the complexity of organ-system interaction and computational cost — individual organ twins are mature, but integration is the hard problemGuest Bio — Dr. Andrée BatesDr. Andrée Bates is the Chairwoman, Founder, and CEO of Eularis, AI consultancy for the pharmaceutical and life sciences industry. She hosts her own podcast with over 220 episodes on AI in pharma. Chapters:00:00 The Emergence of Digital Twins in Medicine03:03 Understanding Digital Twins: Definition and Applications10:09 Digital Twins in Clinical Trials: A New Paradigm10:17 Dynamic Systems and AI in Drug Development39:53 Leveraging AI for Drug Repurposing41:38 Regulatory Landscape for AI and Digital Twins42:45 Exploring the Digital Twin Concept43:51 Regulatory Landscape and AI in MedicineHyperlinks:LinkedIn Dr. Andree BatersCorporate Website EularisAI in Pharma — search on Spotify/Apple Podcasts (220+ episodes)Anastassia Lauterbach - LinkedInFirst Public Reading, Romy, Roby and the Secrets of Sleep (1/3) First Public Reading, Romy, Roby and the Secrets of Sleep (2/3) First Public Reading, Romy, Roby and the Secrets of Sleep (3/3) AI Snacks with Romy and Roby@romyandroby “Leading Through Disruption”AI EdutainmentThe AI Imperative BookRomy & Roby Book

Most conversations about AI focus on models, capabilities, and use cases. This episode goes into the financial planning and plumbing underneath the entire AI economy. Anastassia sits down with Carmen Li — a former Bloomberg and Citi executive turned founder — to unpack GPU compute cost volatility. Every AI application, every model inference, every startup scaling its product runs on compute — and yet there is almost no financial infrastructure to benchmark, price fairly, or hedge against the wild swings in GPU costs.Carmen built the world's first GPU compute index, published it on the Bloomberg Terminal within months of founding Silicon Data, and is now building Compute Exchange — a marketplace where compute can be traded as transparently as oil, electricity, or any other commodity. Together, Carmen and Anastassia explore why compute is not just a cost but a strategic resource, why AI companies are flying blind without proper risk management tools, how geopolitical tensions are bifurcating the global chip market, what the rise of open-source models means for European and mid-sized businesses, and how Carmen raised $5.6 million without a pitch deck. A masterclass in the economics behind the AI revolution.Chapters:00:04 Introduction — GPU Compute: The Wild West of AI Finance02:18 Carmen Li and The Trillion-Dollar Blind Spot02:50 Why Compute Needs the Same Infrastructure as Oil and Energy04:33 AI Runs on Compute, and Compute Costs a Fortune05:39 Carmen's Journey — From Trading Floors to Silicon Valley08:01 The Problem: GPU Cost Volatility Is Breaking AI Startups11:07 Vision for the Future — Compute CapEx Over 10–15 Years11:50 The GPU Compute Index on Bloomberg and What's Launching Next13:37 The LLM Expenditure Index — Token Costs Are Actually Rising 38%16:16 Compute as Strategic Resource — Not Just a Cost Line18:00 Semiconductor Industry and their insights22:39 Open Source vs. Closed Source Models — Who Controls the Infrastructure?23:52 Insights for Business Analysts Following the Semiconductor Space26:16 Systemic Risk in AI — Why Risk Transfer Is the Missing Infrastructure27:44 Raising $5.6M Without a Pitch Deck — Carmen's Fundraising Story31:26 What's Next — Milestones, Markets, and New Products in 18 MonthsHyperlinks:Carmen Li LinkedInSilicon Data WebsiteCompute Exchange WebsiteAnastassia Lauterbach - LinkedInFirst Public Reading, Romy, Roby and the Secrets of Sleep (1/3) First Public Reading, Romy, Roby and the Secrets of Sleep (2/3) First Public Reading, Romy, Roby and the Secrets of Sleep (3/3) AI Snacks with Romy and Roby@romyandroby “Leading Through Disruption”AI EdutainmentThe AI Imperative BookRomy & Roby Book

What happens to human intelligence when AI delivers answers instantly? In Part 2 of our deep-dive with Dr. Vivienne Ming—theoretical neuroscientist and one of today's most original thinkers on artificial intelligence and human potential—we explore the neuroscience behind AI-human collaboration, the research on cognitive dependency, and the uncomfortable truth most AI conversations avoid. Perfect for anyone curious about how to harness AI without outsourcing your own thinking.We cover Vivienne's prediction study, where 90% of participants who used AI gained nothing from it — and some got worse. We talk about the small group who became something different: cyborgs. Humans whose decisions couldn't be attributed to the person or the machine alone, and who outperformed both. What predicted it wasn't the AI model they used. It was curiosity, intellectual humility, fluid intelligence, and perspective taking.We also get into what's broken in leadership, why schools are optimizing for the wrong thing, and why the organizations that will matter in an AI-saturated world are the ones willing to invest in human capital that can't be benchmarked.This is not a conversation about tools. It's a conversation about what kind of humans we're building — and whether we're paying attention.Key Takeaways:The cyborg experiment — and what predicted hybrid intelligenceWell-posed vs. ill-posed problems: when AI helps and when it makes you worseThe GPS analogy and what over-reliance actually does to the brainWhat curiosity, resilience, and perspective taking have to do with AIWhat's really broken in corporate leadershipHow Vivienne learns — and why she stopped preparing for talksDr. Vivienne Ming is a neuroscientist, entrepreneur, and author. She’s the co-founder and chief scientist of Dionysus Health, applying machine learning and epigenetics to postpartum and perimenopausal depression. She’s also co-founder and executive chair of The Human Trust, an independent nonprofit data trust advancing research in human development while protecting individuals’ data. Dr. Ming sits on numerous boards including neurotech startup Optoceutics, UC Berkeley’s Neurotech Collider Lab, UC San Diego’s Cognitive Science Department, and the Kennedy Family Human Rights Center. She is an honorary professor at University College London’s Global Business School for Health.Haven't heard Part 1 yet? Start there — Vivienne walks through how AI actually works, what it gets right, and what it quietly gets wrong.Chapters:00:00 Introduction: Education and Responsible AI Use08:24 The Impact of AI on Cognitive Functioning11:29 Understanding Hybrid Intelligence and Cyborgs14:21 Transforming Education for the AI Era17:15 The Complexity of Human Intelligence26:08 Navigating Leadership in the Age of AI42:03 Conclusion: The Value of Exploration and Leadership45:06 The Future of Human Development and AIGuest links: socos.orgBlueSky profileLinkedIn profileBook: Robot-proof by Vivienne MingAnastassia’s hyperlinks: @romyandroby “Leading Through Disruption”AI Edutainment

Dr. Vivienne Ming is a theoretical neuroscientist and serial entrepreneur who's spent three decades building AI solutions. In this episode, she shares her remarkable journey from homelessness in the 1990s to becoming a pioneering voice in democratizing AI and neuroscience. Discover how understanding the human brain is the key to creating truly accessible artificial intelligence technologies—and what her 13 companies reveal about solving humanity's biggest problems.Key Takeaways:AI is intelligent, but not like us: LLMs excel at 'model-free cognition' (statistical pattern learning) and are superhuman at it. However, they lack 'model-based cognition' (understanding models of how the world works)Hybrid Intelligence (Humans plus machines) Outperforms Humans or AI AloneAI Is Optimized to Persuade, Not to Be Correct: Studies show that AI-written arguments are rated higher by experts but are less persuasive in changing mindsAI has been fine-tuned to be deeply engaging and convincing—even when wrongHumans – not AIs - Are Losing the Turing Test: In legitimate Turing test experiments, 75% of people rated GPT as human. The problem isn't whether AI passed the test—it's that humans failed itAI Excels in Specific Innovation Areas: Reinforcement learning (like AlphaFold) explores every possible configuration without caring about right/wrong. LLMs discover existing connections we haven't realized (e.g., patterns in how drugs work, hidden across millions of papers). However, for ill-posed problems (where we don't even know the question), humans without AI perform betterThe Danger of AI Addiction: AI acts like sugar in highly processed food—addictive and subtly harmful Chapters00:00 Introduction and Philanthropic Ventures05:10 The Journey of a Mad Scientist07:23 Current State of AI and Its Implications09:59 AI's Role in Innovation and Human Collaboration12:29 Expectations, Trust, and AI's Influence14:49 The Future of Human-AI Interaction17:19 Education and Responsible AI Use34:20 The Essence of AI: Reality vs. Hype35:16 Navigating the Future: Parenting and Leadership in the Age of AIHyperlinks:LinkedIn Dr. Vivienne MingSocos LabsBook - Robot-Proof: When Machines Have All the Answers, Build Better People (March 2026)Anastassia Lauterbach -LinkedInFirst Public Reading, Romy,Roby and the Secrets of Sleep (1/3) First Public Reading, Romy,Roby and the Secrets of Sleep (2/3) First Public Reading, Romy,Roby and the Secrets of Sleep (3/3) AI Snacks with Romy and Roby@romyandroby “Leading Through Disruption”AI EdutainmentThe AI Imperative BookRomy & Roby Book

What's the difference between the AI in your homework helper and true artificial general intelligence (AGI)? Dr. Craig Kaplan helps us understand AGI, narrow AI breakthroughs, and why democratizing AI literacy starts with answering this question. Perfect for students, parents, and teachers navigating AI in education. Addresses transparency in AI architectures, how to build a safe and beneficial AGI through personalized agents, networked intelligence, and transparent interactions rather than ever-larger black-box models.Key takeaways:AI safety should be designed into system architecture from the start rather than added after deployment.Personalized AI agents should encode not only expertise but also values, ethics, and aesthetic preferences.A network of many agents, combined with human participation, may produce stronger and safer collective intelligence than a single giant model.Humans are necessary on the network because they contribute ethics, common sense, and world knowledge that AI systems still lack.Multimodality strengthens representation and may be crucial for more capable and grounded AI systems.Future AI may not only answer human questions but also propose new questions and new scientific or strategic problems.Human critical thinking remains indispensable because today’s AI systems often produce confident but incorrect answers.Transparency in interactions, auditability, and governance are central to safe AI deployment.AI literacy is not just about tool fluency; it is about understanding mechanisms, limits, risks, and responsibilities.The coming years may be decisive because AI capabilities are improving very rapidly, possibly faster than institutions can adapt. Guest bio:Dr. Craig Kaplan is an AI researcher, technology entrepreneur, and long-time builder of intelligence systems with more than three decades of experience in advanced AI architectures. He was trained at Carnegie Mellon and worked with Nobel laureate Herbert Simon, one of the founding figures of artificial intelligence. Chapters:00:00 Introduction and Guest Background02:00 Craig Kaplan's Vision for AI and AGI03:32 Personalized AI Agents and Their Potential06:20 The Role of Human Values and Ethics in AI08:58 Collective Intelligence and Networked AI Systems13:20 Learning, Updating, and Knowledge Transfer in AI17:50 World Models, Self-Awareness, and Consciousness22:17 Transparency, Black Boxes, and Safety Challenges26:29 Speed of AI Development and Urgency of Safety Measures31:03 AI Creativity, Problem Posing, and Long-Term Questions35:25 Human-AI Collaboration and Ethical Guidance39:47 AI Governance, Regulation, and Democratic Values43:56 Risks, Pitfalls, and the Need for Responsible DesignHyperlinks:LinkedIn profileOrcid profileAnastassia Lauterbach - LinkedInFirst Public Reading, Romy, Roby and the Secrets of Sleep (1/3)First Public Reading, Romy, Roby and the Secrets of Sleep (2/3)First Public Reading, Romy, Roby and the Secrets of Sleep (3/3)AI Snacks with Romy and Roby@romyandroby“Leading Through Disruption”AI EdutainmentThe AI Imperative BookRomy & Roby BookSubstack

Anastassia sits down with independent AI researcher Matthew M. Murphy, founder of Lexident Technologies, for what she describes as "a conversation unheard on any other podcast."Matt is not fine-tuning existing models. He is not building on top of transformers. He is doing something far more foundational: developing an entirely new theory of how artificial neurons can work; one rooted not in statistical pattern learning, but in geometry. His core invention, the Uniron, is an artificial neuron that does not perform matrix multiplication. Instead, it uses a mathematical framework involving foliations over the hyperreal number line to find the shape of the solution to a problem, rather than approximate it statistically.The conversation covers Matt's personal story, the mathematical intuition behind the Uniron in plain language, the practical challenges of using AI to build something AI has never seen before, the limits of current context windows, the relationship to Stephen Wolfram's computational irreducibility, the Uniron's quantum computing compatibility, and what responsible AI looks like for someone who depends on it as an assistive tool every day.Matthew M. Murphy is an independent AI researcher, systems thinker, and founder of Lexident Technologies. His background is unconventional by design. Over more than a decade, he has thought deeply about unresolved questions at the intersection of cosmology, quantum mechanics, and general relativity — and that long-running inquiry eventually led him to a radical rethinking of artificial neural architecture. He is the originator of the Uniron (also referred to as the "U-neuron"), a novel artificial neuron built not on matrix multiplication and statistical weight learning, but on a geometric framework using foliations over the hyperreal number line.Matthew lives with Mouly's syndrome (a genetic disorder), chronic insomnia, depression, and macular degeneration — conditions that have shaped both his journey and his relationship with AI, which he uses as a primary assistive technology for coding and research. He reads approximately three AI research papers per day and describes his learning approach as polymathic — deliberately thinking about problems across domain boundaries to surface insights that single-discipline thinkers might miss.Dr. Anastassia Lauterbach is an AI thought leader, educator, author, and podcast host based in Basel, Switzerland. She is the author of the Romy & Roby AI literacy book series for families and the founder of AI Edutainment GmbH. A former CEO of Qualcomm Europe, SVP of Deutsche Telekom, and board member with Dun&Bradstreet, easyJet PLC and Star Alliance, she now mentors CXOs and founders on AI strategy, responsible AI adoption and leadership in the age of smart machines. Anastassia’s company AI Edutainment brings knowledge and understanding of AI and robotics into one million families and 100,000 companies. Chapters00:00 Introduction to AI and Neural Theory01:43 Matt Murphy's Personal Journey and Challenges04:02 Understanding the Core Formula of Neural Architecture07:10 Building and Testing the Hypothesis with AI11:39 Vulnerabilities of Current AI Systems14:00 Exploring Computational Irreducibility16:34 Compatibility with Quantum Computing19:24 Potential Applications of the New Theory21:45 Hybrid Networks and Signal Processing25:04 Addressing Hallucinations in AI27:00 Defining Responsible AI29:22 Learning and Integrating Knowledge31:52 Advice for Young Learners in AILexident TechnologiesStephen Wolfram Hypergraph / RULIADWolfram Physics ProjectAnastassia Lauterbach - LinkedInFirst Public Reading, Romy, Roby and the Secrets of Sleep (1/3) First Public Reading, Romy, Roby and the Secrets of Sleep (2/3) First Public Reading, Romy, Roby and the Secrets of Sleep (3/3) AI Snacks with Romy and Roby@romyandroby “Leading Through Disruption”AI EdutainmentThe AI Imperative BookRomy & Roby BookSubstack

Summary:Can AI technology actually save you money at the grocery store? Anastassia talks with Andy Ellwood, CEO of Stretch, about how artificial intelligence is being democratized into a consumer app tackling food waste and grocery inflation. Discover how one founder is making AI concepts tangible, accessible, and profitable for everyday shoppers.The conversation spans Andy's entrepreneurial origin story, the surprisingly complex data engineering problem behind grocery price comparison, the emerging role of agentic AI in consumer commerce, the cybersecurity challenges of working with Fortune 100 retailers, and the macro forces — from geopolitics to fertiliser supply chains — that make Stretch's mission more urgent by the day.Andy Ellwood is a serial entrepreneur, mentor, and community builder deeply rooted in the American startup ecosystem. He started his first business at age 12. Over his career, he has worked on teams whose companies were acquired by Facebook and Google (Waze), and has founded multiple companies of his own.Dr. Anastassia Lauterbach is an AI thought leader, educator, author, and podcast host based in Basel, Switzerland. She is the author of the Romy & Roby AI literacy book series for families and the founder of AI Edutainment GmbH. A former CEO of Qualcomm Europe, SVP of Deutsche Telekom, and board member with Dun&Bradstreet, easyJet PLC and Star Alliance, she now mentors CXOs and founders on AI strategy, responsible AI adoption and leadership in the age of smart machines. Anastassia’s company AI Edutainment brings knowledge and understanding of AI and robotics into one million families and 100,000 companies.Key Takeaways:The "Expedia for Groceries" gap is real — and it is huge;The hard problem is data normalisation, not data access;The data exhaust may be more valuable than the app;Grocery price inflation is a real problem for families;Agentic commerce is the next frontier for grocery;AI-first corporate culture means rewarding failure, not just success;AI should be a thought partner, not a search engine. Chapters:00:04 Introduction to Grocery Shopping Challenges01:42 Andy Elwood's Entrepreneurial Journey03:27 The Grocery Shopping Problem and AI Solutions07:13 Price Elasticity and Consumer Behavior10:58 Data Sourcing and Normalization Challenges14:37 Understanding Consumer Preferences16:18 Potential Business Models and Data Insights18:18 Online Grocery Shopping and Future Opportunities20:30 The Future of Shopping Agents21:53 Customer Acquisition Challenges22:44 Community Engagement in Grocery Shopping24:38 Building a Supportive Shopping Experience25:10 Infrastructure and Technology in Grocery Solutions27:20 Team Dynamics in a company and AI Integration28:01 Cybersecurity in Retail Technology32:58 Vision for the Future of Grocery Shopping35:56 Learning and Adapting in the Age of AIHyperlinks: Andy Ellwood's LinkedInTwitter/XStretch (Company)Anastassia Lauterbach - LinkedInFirst Public Reading, Romy, Roby and the Secrets of Sleep (1/3)First Public Reading, Romy, Roby and the Secrets of Sleep (2/3)First Public Reading, Romy, Roby and the Secrets of Sleep (3/3)AI Snacks with Romy and Roby@romyandroby“Leading Through Disruption”AI EdutainmentThe AI Imperative BookRomy & Roby BookSubstack

Summary:What does it mean for an AI to have consciousness? In this episode, Anastassia and Professor Rae Muhlstock explore artificial intelligence through the lens of film and fiction, unpacking how stories like 'After Yang' teach us about identity, personhood, and what makes us human. A philosophically rich yet accessible deep dive into AI ethics and consciousness—perfect for curious minds of any age.Key topics:AI portrayal in fictionConsciousness and AIHuman-AI relationshipsScience fiction as a tool for exploring AIEthics and identity in AI storiesChapters:00:00 Introduction to why portrayals of AI in fiction (books and movies) matter02:43 Exploring 'Saying Goodbye to Yang'05:19 The Prophetic Nature of Science Fiction07:42 Understanding AI Through Literature10:29 The Complexity of Grief and AI13:23 Narrative Structure and Emotional Depth15:54 Consciousness and AI: A Philosophical Debate18:16 The Shift in Perspective: From 'It' to 'He'20:51 The Interplay of Human and AI Memories23:42 Art, Emotion, and the Limitations of AI26:12 The Importance of Understanding AI28:33 Future Explorations in AI Literature31:23 The Role of Summarization in Understanding Art33:37 Closing Thoughts and the 2026 AI Literacy ProjectResources:After Yang / Children of the New World by Alexander WeinsteinRae Muhlstock’s LinkedInAnastassia Lauterbach - LinkedInFirst Public Reading, Romy, Roby and the Secrets of Sleep (1/3)First Public Reading, Romy, Roby and the Secrets of Sleep (2/3)First Public Reading, Romy, Roby and the Secrets of Sleep (3/3)AI Snacks with Romy and Roby@romyandroby“Leading Through Disruption”AI EdutainmentThe AI Imperative BookRomy & Roby BookSubstack

Summary:Quantum computing sounds like sci-fi, but it's reshaping artificial intelligence right now. In this episode, Dr. Jonas Kölzer breaks down qubits, superposition, and why quantum computers matter for AI's future—using analogies anyone can understand. Perfect for teens, parents, and AI-curious educators wondering what quantum computing actually does.Dr. Jonas Kölzer is a quantum physicist, entrepreneur, and educator. After early enthusiasm for physics communication, he studied physics at RWTH Aachen University, where a lecture by Professor Hendrik Bluhm on spin qubits drew him into quantum computing research; he later specialized in topological insulators and completed his PhD while also helping launch Polarstern Education, the foundation for the School of Quantum. Today, he works across quantum technology education and AI systems, and is known for explaining topics such as qubits, superposition, error correction, and quantum hardware architectures in clear, practical language for professionals and non-specialists alike.Key Takeaways: 1. Quantum Computing Is in Its "Wright Brothers Moment"Just as early aviation saw a race between zeppelins, helicopters, and aircraft with no obvious winner, quantum computing hardware is in an analogous race between superconducting qubits, ion traps, photonic systems, spin qubits, and topological approaches. No single architecture has emerged as dominant — the best platform may depend on the specific application.2. Superposition + Entanglement = Exponential PowerSuperposition: a qubit can exist in a probabilistic mix of 0 and 1, like a coin spinning in the air before landing.Entanglement: multiple qubits become correlated, so changing one affects others. The resulting combinatorial states scale as 2^n (n = number of qubits), rapidly exceeding what any classical computer can simulate.3. Noise and Error Correction Are the Central Engineering ChallengeQuantum states are destroyed by even tiny energy perturbations — temperature fluctuations, cosmic particles. The no-cloning theorem means quantum information cannot be simply copied for error recovery. Current research focuses on error mitigation and logical qubit error correction as the bridge to practical large-scale machines.4. Quantum Computers Are Co-Processors, Not ReplacementsToday's quantum computers work alongside classical supercomputers in a hybrid loop. The quantum unit handles specific optimization or simulation tasks; the classical system manages parameters and optimization. Full universal quantum computers remain a long-horizon aspiration.5. The Quantum–AI Relationship Is BidirectionalQuantum hardware can accelerate certain AI workloads (QPU ↔ GPU analogy), especially high-dimensional optimization.Classical AI (GPU clusters, e.g., Nvidia's quantum research program) is already being used to optimize and improve quantum systems.Companies like Nvidia are investing in quantum-GPU hybrid infrastructure.6. Total Energy Cost of Quantum Is NuancedWhile a qubit chip operates at microwatt efficiency, the surrounding cooling infrastructure (helium-3, compressors, mechanical pumps) runs in the kilowatt range. The full total cost of ownership must be assessed honestly before claiming quantum as a "green" alternative to data center AI compute.Chapters: 0:04 Introduction and Background of the Episode3:50 Jonas’ Early Interest in Physics4:46 Jonas’ Introduction to Quantum Computing7:09 Quantum Mechanics and Computing8:55 Understanding Qubits and Superposition13:02 Challenges in Quantum Computing19:05 Designs and Paths in Quantum Computing27:12 Applications and Future of Quantum ComputingHyperlinks:LinkedIn Dr. Jonas KoelzerArticle Nature Communications Materials (2021)Article Advanced Electronic Materials (2020)axelera.aiAnastassia Lauterbach - LinkedInAI Snacks with Romy and Roby@romyandroby“Leading Through Disruption”AI EdutainmentThe AI Imperative BookRomy & Roby BookSubstack

Summary: What happens when AI can perfectly replicate your voice, face, or likeness—and the law has no name for what happened? In this episode, Anastassia sits down with Dr. Gabriela Bar, attorney and ethics adviser on artificial intelligence to the EU Commission, to explore one of the most urgent frontiers in AI law: digital identity rights and deepfakes. From teens facing synthetic impersonation to parents worried about consent, we break down what protections exist today, what's missing, and what you need to know about your digital self.The conversation moves across three connected territories: the philosophy of legal personhood and whether AI could ever qualify for it; the alarming absence of real legal protection for individuals whose digital identities are weaponised through deepfakes and fabricated content; and the statistical reality of children's exposure to predatory behaviour in digital space.Key Takeaways:The Cheshire Cat theory reframes legal personhood entirelyGabriela introduces the framework of Ngaire Naffine: legal personhood is not about souls, bodies, or divine origin — it is about the capacity to participate in legal relationships. This framework is exactly the right tool for thinking about advanced AI.The EU AI Act has a significant blind spotThe Act prohibits a defined list of AI practices. Non-consensual deepfakes — fabricated intimate images, false criminal scenarios, identity fabrication — are not on that list in any meaningful way. Gabriela's position is unambiguous: they should be banned outright, not merely regulated.Digital persona harm is a present crisis, not a future riskAnastassia speaks from personal experience: during a period of intense and unjust media scrutiny, fabricated digital avatars of her were distributed publicly — a direct assault on her identity and dignity.More than 50% of children aged 9–16 have experienced predatory online contactData from a Polish governmental cybersecurity study shared by Gabriela shows that over half of children in that age group had experienced some form of contact with sexual predators online — not all severe, but many were. The gap between the sophistication of the tools and the simplicity of the safeguards is vast.Law is a fiction — and we choose which fictions to writeWe can write new legal fictions that protect individuals from AI-generated harm, that extend narrow rights to sufficiently advanced AI.AI literacy must include legal literacyLiteracy is a must, and goes beyond fluency.Chapters:0:05 Introduction to the episode: Digital personhoods and digital identities3:21 Max Tegmark’s Book “Life 3.0” and AI Ethics4:06 Science Fiction (Blade Runner) influencing Gabriela’s thoughts on digital personas5:33 Digital Persona and Consciousness7:31 Legal Perspectives on AI Rights43:53 Cultural Perspectives on Legal Personhood Hyperlinks:Website: gabriela.bar — firm overview, fields of expertise, publicationsLinkedIn profile: linkedin.com/in/gabrielabarAcademic & Professional DirectoriesAILAWTECH Foundation profile: ailawtech.org/en/gabriela-barWolters Kluwer expert profile: wolterskluwer.com/pl-pl/experts/gabriela-barYouTube — AI Legal Personhood: Should AI Eventually Have Legal Personhood?Ngaire Naffine Cheshire Cat TheoryAnastassia Lauterbach - LinkedInFirst Public Reading, Romy, Roby and the Secrets of Sleep (1/3)First Public Reading, Romy, Roby and the Secrets of Sleep (2/3)First Public Reading, Romy, Roby and the Secrets of Sleep (3/3)AI Snacks with Romy and Roby@romyandroby“Leading Through Disruption”AI EdutainmentThe AI Imperative BookRomy & Roby BookSubstack