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Alison Stewart
This is all of it on WNYC. I'm Alison Stewart. The 2026 winner of the Tiny Desk concert contest brings its Victory Lap tour to New York City with a concert tonight. Picked out of 6,000 entries, the group Cure for Paranoia has been on the road since being announced as champ. The Dallas based project is frontiered by Cameron McLeod and NPR Music producer Bobby Carter said Cameron and the crew are, quote, destined to be a creative force in the music industry. Musician and Tiny Desk Contest judge Madison McFerrin, we love her, said, quote, cure for paranoia's energy is infectious, fresh and distinctly theirs. You can catch them tonight at Warsaw in Brooklyn as part of the Tiny Desk on the Road tour, but they're here now to play some songs.
Cameron McLeod
Welcome.
Alison Stewart
We're so happy to meet you.
Cameron McLeod
Good to meet you.
Alison Stewart
Congratulations. What are you going to play? What's the first song we're going to hear?
Cameron McLeod
So this first song that we're going to play is called the Art show and it is our favorite, my favorite submission. It's not the winning submission, but it's my favorite submission.
Alison Stewart
Let's hear it.
Cameron McLeod
Welcome to the gallery I am the art show welcome to the gallery light I am the art show welcome to the gallery light I am the art show like I am the art show I am the walk into the gallery like I deserve a fee I pay way too much attention to what people thought of me I walk, I walk into the gallery like I deserve it all I need tens and tens and tens from judges all across the I need a seat at the table for me and my homies I need all the labels to know me boy I'm fine as I kill Luigi Manzani Black boy age like wine face hard never decline yours overdrafted black boy age like wine body getting better over time I'm so attractive I manifested everything I ever wanted. My whole dang career been going crazy because of my Paranoia cause of my brothers I'm buzzing like here buzzing like her son a neon I see I might buzzer like Cynthia Riva if you're homophobic better stings to watch me I'm black and I'm bi and I'm better as well My boyfriend is white but he pretty as hell Imagine you hate me and I'm just over here loving myself I know this seems a bit conceited But I really used to hate myself so the songs for people who need it okay wow that's why I walk I walk I that's why I walk wow that's why I walk I walk I wow that's why I walk into the gallery light I am the art show I walk into the gallery light I am the art show I walk into the gallery like I am the art show Like I am the art show Like I am the art show but walk into the gallery like I'm the captain now they want to track them down I earn my stripes I got my cap and gown Used to think about what people thought about me all the time Now I walk in WNYC like all of this is mine I'm unapologetically myself I won't apologize Jay says saying sorry for sorry Changed my life Had a million things I changed changed by myself Now I can't even find one Too many people know I'm three steps ahead I get this off my chest like I'm post stopping I'm not in bed but I'm so locked in no intermission but I'm show stopping I used to feel atheist back in the day I was getting the praise without no profit look at me now I got a hit on my Hannah Chris Brown Walking the gallery like I'm on salary this is the year that you about to find out Watch Whoa. That's why I walk, I walk I. Well, that's why I walk that's what I walk, I walk I wow. That's why I walk into the gallery light I am the art show I walk into the gallery light I am the art show I walk into the gallery light I am the art show Like I am the art show Like I am the art show. I am the under. That's why I am the archa. I am the archae. Hi. I am the art show I want you to take care of your. I am the art show like I am the art show like you are the art show.
Alison Stewart
You get so many points for putting Cynthia Erivo in the song. We're talking to cure for paranoia the winner of the Tiny Desk concert. We're Talking to Cameron McLeod, the front person. Let me ask you a question. I heard that you did a wrap every day for 2025.
Cameron McLeod
You heard, correct?
Alison Stewart
That is correct. You know, Internet, I check that out. What inspired that challenge?
Cameron McLeod
A lot of things inspired it, but I really wasn't in the place that I wanted to be musically in my career. And also, Trump got elected, and I didn't want to be a broke rapper in Trump's America. So I was like, the only thing that I can. The only variable that I can control about my career is myself and my own output. So it really started off as a goal just to make myself a better artist, and it turned into just really me finding myself in a way that I never thought would be possible in just 365 days.
Alison Stewart
What was the hardest part of doing that and then what turned out to be easy?
Cameron McLeod
I think the hardest part about it really turned out to be, like, just filming them, like, figuring out, like, Tomahawk filmed, like, a third of them, and.
Alison Stewart
And Tomahawk is to your behind you.
Cameron McLeod
And J. Analog right here.
Alison Stewart
Thank you so much.
Cameron McLeod
And Tomahawk had filmed, like, a third of them. And we would just. We started running out of places to. To shoot and film in the house. But I think the easiest thing about it was really just continuing in it because it wasn't necessarily about, like, the amount of likes or the amount of views that it got, because the only metric system that I had for improvement was just me showing up for myself every day. So really just, it turns out showing up for yourself is way easier than you think it is.
Alison Stewart
How did it help you artistically to have that sort of con, that sort of constraint?
Cameron McLeod
I think it's helped me to not overthink. And, like, even this project that we came out with, Work of Art, those are all products of, like, that's the verse that I wrote that day. You know what I mean? Art show is day one and day two, those two verses. So, like, it really helped me to. You know, I think that perfectionism is just procrastination with, like, a tie on. You know what I mean? So I think that whenever I wasn't trying to just make everything perfect and make everything good, I really was just saying what I needed to and wanted to say.
Alison Stewart
You were the second person to say that to me in this hour.
Cameron McLeod
Look, come on.
Alison Stewart
It's true.
Cameron McLeod
God is trying to tell you something
Alison Stewart
so interesting because I saw you do a performance and you said, amen.
Cameron McLeod
Amen.
Alison Stewart
And you Were talking to folks. Is faith really important to you?
Cameron McLeod
I wanted to be a pastor before. I wanted to be a rapper, really. And I think it's so funny because it's like everything that I prayed for is happening, but just not in the way that I thought it would because I'm still, you know, speaking to the masses. I'm still giving my testimony, if you will. So I think that, yeah, like, the church and faith has a lot to do with even the way I show up creatively, because you think about, like, a pastor on stage. Some of, like, the best pastors are the ones that have those, like, really witty metaphors and, like, you know what I mean? So I've. Yeah, I've written a lot of my verses as if they were sermons, but, like, kind of sermons for myself.
Alison Stewart
We're talking to Cure for Paranoia, the 2026 Tiny Desk winners. It's a music project fronted by Cameron McLeod. They're playing at Warsaw in Brooklyn tonight. Okay, where did Cure from Paranoia? Where did it come from?
Cameron McLeod
So it's actually based off of a diagnosis that I got more than 10 years ago. this point, I was placed on medication for bipolar depression and paranoid schizophrenia. And it turned out that music was just way more therapeutic than the meds was. I still tell everybody, make sure you take your meds.
Alison Stewart
Take your meds.
Cameron McLeod
Yes, my God, today. But it really was just a way for me to articulate the things that were going on in my head and a way to articulate, like, my insecurities and articulate, like, just every. Everything that I thought was wrong with me. And more and more over the course of Cure of Paranoia being a band, I've realized that everything that I thought was wrong with me is what put me on the stage in the first place. And it's the reason I'm even standing here talking to you.
Alison Stewart
It was interesting. Art show was one of your previous submissions to the 2026 the Titus concert in 2026. But why do you think this year was your moment?
Cameron McLeod
I really do think it's because this is the year that, like, I found myself in, like I said, in a way that I never thought possible. I thought Art show was, like, the epitome of, like, okay, I've arrived. I'm here. But, like, I think that there is just a level of, like, understanding of self in a way that, like, connects with other people. So I think that it's just been. Yeah, just a really connective way for every. Everybody already feels like they've, like, gotten to read my journal, my Daily entries with these dailies. So I think that the same way that like art show popped up so much, because it was from those journal entries. No brainer is also the same way. It's verses from that challenge. So yeah, I think this one just like really connected with everybody and it was also a no brainer.
Alison Stewart
Let's hear that song, no Brainer. It's a nice segue that was well done.
Cameron McLeod
And let me know if you need a co host.
Alison Stewart
You write that down, y'.
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Cure for Paranoia Member / Rapper
Everybody go Left brain, right brain, no brain Left brain, right brain, no brain Left brain, right brain, no brain I lost my mind, not complaining Go left brain, right brain, no brain Left brain, right brain, no brain Left brain, right brain, no brainer I lost my mind
Cameron McLeod
not I got my beats on in the gym I got my beats off YouTube now what's the way he talk? We ain't talk to him Crooked art on the wall gotta screw loose Bout to drop a whole tape made a tight beats I don't like your song Cause I like me It's a wet T shirt contest Now I'm dripped up Yup I'm a white tee I don't write no songs I'm a lefty Got a ghost riding with me like Nick Cage I don't write my wrongs cause
Cure for Paranoia Member / Rapper
I'm left brain I'm not gay no more I'm just insane Two of us
Cameron McLeod
are white band but I'm no plates I'm a spy so al my own
Cure for Paranoia Member / Rapper
name I don't fall in love with
Cameron McLeod
him I just real pay trouble bond 0079 James left brain, right brain, no
Cure for Paranoia Member / Rapper
brain Left brain, right brain, no brain Left brain, right brain, no brain Left brain, right brain, no brainer I lost my mind, not complaining Go left brain, right brain, no brain Left brain, right brain, no brain Left brain, right brain, no brainer I lost my mind I back to back Left right brain going
Cameron McLeod
back and forth Brain split down to the apple core Such a Pierce ego I'm a savage got two wolves in me I'm a feeder baby I'm the big bad wolf yeah I'm about to blow soon as I saw high my
Cure for Paranoia Member / Rapper
to do not not joke I'll be
Cameron McLeod
kinda lame sometimes but I can' changed no Macklemore When I was in the third grade I thought I was straight I'm just playing back on my books Matador I be with my labrador pussing on my territory Y' all be getting a chance it don't matter about the category I deleted hyenas but got this on the calendar Paranoia, going crazy that's
Cure for Paranoia Member / Rapper
the allegory I'm in the book of my hallucination Solitary way Left brain, bright brain, no brainer I lost my mind Kurt Cobain and I'm Left brain, right brain, no brain Left brain, right brain, no brain Left brain, right brain, no brainer I lost my mind, not complaining Go. Left brain, right brain, no brain Left brain, right brain, no brain Left brain, right brain, no brainer I lost my mind that Left brain, right brain, no brain Left brain, right brain, no brain Right brain, no brain Left brain, right brain, no brainer I lost my mind.
Cameron McLeod
I lost my mind not complaining Go. I lost my mind not complaining.
Alison Stewart
I'm in the studio with the 2026 Tiny Desk winners, Cure for Paranoia, the music project fronted by Cameron McLeod. They're playing at Warsaw in Brooklyn tonight. So if people go to the Internet and they look up, that they'll see there's a great video that there is. You're in front of a giant eyeball, Ginormous in Dallas.
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Cameron McLeod
So when doing the dailies, I started off the year with, like, barely 10,000 followers. Ended the year having gained over, like, 400,000 followers. Wow. And I had told my manager, I was like, we have to do this tiny destination just because, like, we already have all these eyes on us. So now these can be eyes on Dallas. And then I was like, oh, no, wait a minute. We should actually go film this in front of the giant eyeball in Dallas. So then people will see that and be like, oh, that's Dallas. You know, I mean, it's like, if, you know, you know, sort of thing. So, yeah, it ended up being like a putting eyes on Dallas sort of thing. And that's why even in our tiny destination, you see us in these coveralls that are just completely covered in eyes. Because it really is just getting a chance to put eyes on Dallas, and Dallas isn't really seen that way as far as, like, the big hubs of music, you know, sort of.
Alison Stewart
If you know, you know, how would we know you're from Dallas?
Cameron McLeod
Cause I was standing in front of an eyeball girl.
I just told you.
No, I'm just kidding.
Alison Stewart
Well, what's something about you that lets us know? Oh, he's from Dallas.
Cameron McLeod
I really don't even know if I'm being honest. I'm trying to, like, because at a lot of our shows that we do, it's like, people are like, are you from la?
Are you from New York?
Are you blah Blah, blah. So I think that the more and more that we continue to progress as a collective, the more and more we get to change what Dallas looks like. It's even going back to the eyes. So we say y', all, though. So that's how you'll say y'.
Alison Stewart
All.
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Cameron McLeod
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Cameron McLeod
That's the only giveaway.
Yeah, that's what gives it away.
Alison Stewart
Right now, there's three of you in front of me, but there's a lot of y' all on stage. How many people are in Cure for
Cameron McLeod
Paranoia at any given moment? At the most, it can be, like, 14 of us.
Alison Stewart
Wow.
Cameron McLeod
Right now on this tour, I think we're running around with seven. Yeah, seven. All right.
Alison Stewart
I read that you were a preschool teacher as well.
Cameron McLeod
Yeah, preschool teacher turned tiny dust swimmer. It's been a. I haven't really had much time to really even, like, work there this year, but, yeah, I think that also has been, like, a big factor in, like, what's changed in the way we perform, too, because, like, kids are the best barometer for, like, if something is fun or not. You know what I mean? They're not gonna, you know, give you pity claps or anything. They're just gonna stare blankly at you if they're not having a good time.
Alison Stewart
What do you use from your teaching and your training as a teacher on stage?
Cameron McLeod
I definitely. It has changed, like, my banter, like, with the audience and the way that I communicate with them. It's also changed. I know that, like, little kids, like, they really attach to repetition, like, they love, because that makes them. Releases some. Something in their brain where it's like, oh, yeah, I know what's coming next. You know what I mean? So it's even changed the way that, like, when I perform, I like to do. You know, I like to put more attention to, like, the hooks of songs or, like, the kind of, like, chants that I have in the audience. There's a chant that I do that I can't do here because we can't cuss. But you'll hear it at the show, and it's always a good time.
Alison Stewart
You know, I went to graduate school to be a teacher, really kids. And I remember they told us, make sure whatever you're teaching has meaning in their lives. And I use that every day in journalism, the show, like, make sure your guests make sure the questions you ask has meaning in people's lives.
Cameron McLeod
Yeah, yeah. You know, I think also, like, where our preschool was is in kind of, like, a rich part of Dallas. So I Think that we're like on the front lines of stopping like a holes from going into the world. You know what I mean? So it's like that's what I want in a cure for paranoia show too. I want people to leave their, like really not only accepting themselves, but realizing that the acceptance that they have for themselves carries out in the way that they accept other people as well.
Alison Stewart
Bless you.
Cameron McLeod
Amen.
Alison Stewart
And Amen. Bless you for that work. Let's hear one more song. What are we going to hear?
Cameron McLeod
So this is actually our very first tiny desk submission that we did, and it's another like favorite of mine. And I just think that it's only right that the thing that got us noticed by tiny desk in the first place should be the thing that we go out on so we can give that its shine here as well.
Alison Stewart
All right, let's hear it.
Cameron McLeod
Let's do it. Let me tell you like let me
tell you like I'm so unbothered right now I'm so unbothered right now I'm so unbothered so if you got problem then don't bother coming around I'm so unbothered right now I'm so unbothered right now I'm so unbothered so if you got partner then don't bother coming around Mace to the face how to verse it Ego alter how you worship in a making a wave you can surf it by the brains in a plane
dropping bird wait wait wait bird It's
a plane it's a in a cave got a lighter in a tank cause I learned this if it ain't serving you you better burn bridge don't get no energy up unless they deserve it it ain't working for you don't you put the work in you came when they get to defeat the purpose But I ain't nursing if I'm piece disrupted I'm allergic to em it be acting funny with his curtains to em they acting chummy really Ranch fish food and only motivation money where they surface movement I'm unsatisfied and hungry so my work's improving I'd rather independence from it if it's codependent and I put that on a bible front and drifting code of fitness listen I ain't finna end up with a lot and feeling finished Every word I say a minute every sentence for pacific and my rhyme that got spells in it not that it's magic actually an alchemist not that it matters Creating matters don't create to matter my versus a horcrux of addicted cadabra and I'm so unbothered right now I'm so unbothered right now I'm so unbothered so if you got problems then don't bother coming away I'm so unbothered right now I'm so unbothered right now so unbothered right now I'm so unbothered so if you got problems then don't bother coming around. I'm so unbothered so if you got problems then don't bother coming around. Well, I'm sworn by the so if you got problems in the brother coming
around
and I think another big thing
about these has been the fact that, like, all of these verses that you even hear has really just been, like, my affirmations for myself. And I've been, like, really, like, hypnotizing myself into believing in myself, you know? Like, these verses were all written, like, years and years ago, but they still connect with where I'm at right now in my mind. And it's almost like I predicted the future with the things that I was writing down. I was like, did I predict the future or did I just write it into existence?
Cause I'm not gonna start with how I'm gonna just look like a walk in the park Honestly, this has been a shot in the dark so I don't need no one to pass me the torch Tell me I'm next in the lineage I've been giving these people the business let's start pretending like I ain't got the penmanship Capable of making my paper limitless K yeah at the end of the day I play Django with the instrumentals they make breaker breaker 1 an accident and he crashed the track and then he sped off and left Like I'm gone oh, we owe we on the other y' all on the armor by a zombie cut off made the care for paranoia Cuz all
the rappers after me were rankings involved oh my I would hate to be
all oh my I can't wait to be on planning this for the longest if I'm being completely honest I'm really 100 or 110% positive the probability I mean are confident all this one in a million finally feel like I'm finally confident Dang. I finally feel like I'm finally confident finally feel like I'm finally confident
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finally feel like I'm finally confident finally feel like I'm finally confident Wow. I finally feel like I'm finally confident finally feel like I'm finally confident
Man,
I finally Feel like I'm finally confident Cause this here ain't no fluke and it ain't no goose shape Spreading pursuit of a life that I always knew and I stepped in tune to time I'm in tune with a lot I was losing my mind when it's moving My mind wasn't moving like I wanted to I decided to move it at my own pace Man, I finally feel like I'm finally confident finally feel like I'm finally confident finally feel like I'm finally confident finally feel like I'm finally confident finally feel like I'm finally confident finally feel like I'm finally confident but
then sometimes a broken record that ain't
broke no records now let me formulate my own opinion Mad cause you sleep but he ain't show no effort that's
Cure for Paranoia Member / Rapper
pillow talk but ain't got no commitment
Cameron McLeod
he ain't the spokesperson for mental illness if anything, this kid is out his mind Boy, ain't you sober out here Acting spiritual that's just for show I seen him snorting lines oh, I guess that's the cure for paranoia Positive affirmations on Facebook while he act important I
Cure for Paranoia Member / Rapper
heard this kid is uppity he act
Cameron McLeod
like he too good he talking about how he gonna lead a city what a do it overrated under influence lost my weight I done got darn shade while I throw grenades When I blow a face and you just can't do it See if we can't get play oh, let's do it by Waka Flocka FL playing background music I go hard in the mother loving pain I'm an Osho go ahead, take a picture Carry these people like a piggyback with a glizzy hat Cause I'm just being frank Even four cover came I see plenty masks it's too many cap I see it all in your face Come on out the pixel lesson kitty scissors I'm unwritten and releasing all my inhibitions I can't listen to you if you only listen to me from the neighborhood it's usually I'm getting by with sticky fingers I ain't talking proper when I say that I'm a prophet I ain't throwing on my shoulder when I'm going out of pocket I ain't fold enough for no one I can pose a proper posture two times Wait, who side you guys on anyway? Let me pray meditation yoga king out the window with your partner if you messing with the roster I done came along with from the Olive Garden living when I paint my wound pasta and I Ain't going back for nada I ain't going back and forth what, you can't afford it I get to pay to pay attention so they can't ignore it. I was treated like the tree that's falling in the forest Till I hit the ground running. Now they hear some doors God dang it. I'm hopping out the bottom of the water Find why I'm counting quarters and they drown it in the pool Meaning that it really ain't as deep as people think it is you see gotta reach instead of wishing it was true. Listen, I'm the tortoise in the racing people nestle in I was dealing with depression till the pressure hit. Now I'm just a couple seconds from my second wind Now I'm dripping like a faucet I don't even need my water pressure fixed I'm hopping out the bottom of the water flying wine, counting cold in the pool Meaning that it really ain't as deep as people think it is you see, you gotta reach instead of wishing it was true. Listen, I'm hopping out the bottom of the waterfall while I'm kind quarters and they drowning in the pool Meaning that it really ain't as deep as people thinking that you see it gotta reach that of wishing it was true. That kid Cam.
What?
Wait, that kid Count. See, before I was killed for paranoia, I was that kid Count. And I was like, selling my CDs in the mall to anybody that was listening, like five bucks a pop. And that was the way that I
was paying my rent at one point. Dang.
But now I'm getting my cake up Had a breakthrough wanna break up all at the same damn mask ever Makeup sex I was sad 6 seconds but it's gone like a goddamn vibe when I'm pissed off make more moves than the tick tock dance moves crazy finna cha cha slide creatine weights up, work it out Gangs up flexing in the mirror Too goddamn fine and y' all are confused y' all thought you had this all figured out Listen now I got some news for your eye to the truth y' all people working so Dallas, observe while you're working on news on the new stuff Sounding like I already made it out the group mindset now I'm just a tip of lake I'm Jenny Jackson at the super bowl when I pop it on you start to lose control Ain't no way I can't maintain this whole campaign my own dang self Ain't gonna say no dang on but hey, folks change it can't be helped I still got love for my people Just a shame I can't really miss with you Sip sucky sung s I just focus on the good days now I hit different I'm getting my cake up Had a breakthrough on a breakup all at the same damn time Mascara makeups I was sad 6 seconds but it's gone I get goddamn vibe when I'm pissed off make more moves than a TikTok Dance moves crazy cha cha slide creatine weights up work it out gains up Flexing in the mirror too goddamn fine too goddamn fine Flexing in the mir too goddamn fine I'm flexing in the mirror too too God dang fine I'm flexing in the mirror too goddamn fine Flexing in the mirror huh that's how I'm getting my cake up Breakthrough on a breakup all at the same damn time Mascara makeup sad six seconds but it's going like
Cure for Paranoia Member / Rapper
an I damn vine Pissed off born
Cameron McLeod
moves in a tik tok dance moves finna cha cha slide creatine wakes up work it out Gangs up flexing in the mirror too God dang fine
Alison Stewart
thank you for being with us.
Cameron McLeod
Thank you for having us.
Cure for Paranoia Member / Rapper
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Date: July 9, 2026
Host: Alison Stewart (WNYC)
Featured Guest: Cameron McLeod and members of Cure for Paranoia
This episode spotlights Dallas-based group Cure for Paranoia, the 2026 winners of NPR’s coveted Tiny Desk Contest. The conversation dives into their rise from local artists to national fame, their creative process, mental health journeys, performing in New York, and brings live intimate performances of three standout tracks. The group’s frontperson, Cameron McLeod, shares personal stories about perseverance, artistic constraints, and the power of self-acceptance.
Video shot in front of Dallas’ giant eyeball sculpture to “put eyes on Dallas,” a city not usually in the music spotlight.
Cameron jokes and reflects on how people rarely guess his Dallas background but that the collective’s growth is changing perceptions.
This episode weaves together powerful live performances, an honest look at artistic struggle and success, and moments of humor, faith, and hope. Through vulnerability and creativity, Cure for Paranoia models what it means to bring your whole self to the stage—and invites listeners to do the same.