Best Podcast to Listen to this Holiday

Summary

All Of It: Best Podcasts to Listen to This Holiday

Host: Alison Stewart
Guest: Lauren Pacell, Founder of Tink Media and Podcast Curator
Release Date: November 26, 2024
Duration: Approximately 24 minutes

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Introduction

In the holiday episode of All Of It, host Alison Stewart teams up with podcast industry expert Lauren Pacell to curate the perfect list of podcasts for listeners embarking on long journeys during the Thanksgiving season. The episode, titled "Best Podcast to Listen to this Holiday," delves into a diverse selection of shows that cater to varying tastes, ensuring that every traveler finds something engaging for their trip.

Guest Introduction: Lauren Pacell

Lauren Pacell brings her extensive expertise to the table, discussing current podcast trends and offering personalized recommendations. As the founder of Tink Media and curator of the "Podcast" newsletter, Lauren shares insights from her experience writing for Life Hacker and spotlighting standout podcasts across different genres.

Podcast Recommendations

1. Normal Gossip

Host: Kelsey McKinney
Timestamp Highlight: [04:29]

Lauren introduces Normal Gossip, a podcast that transforms mundane, everyday gossip into compelling storytelling. Hosted by Kelsey McKinney, the show features listener-submitted tales that reflect universal themes of communication and relationships.

Notable Quote:
"It's one of those shows that I think actually probably is so much harder to make than it sounds." - Latif at [04:29]

Clip Summary:
In a recent episode, a listener shares a story about a Halloween costume dilemma involving a handmade Statue of Liberty hat from the mayor's mother. Kelsey skillfully navigates the narrative, encouraging guests to ponder, "What would you do next?" thereby making each episode a choose-your-own-adventure experience.

2. The Competition

Focus: America's Junior Miss Scholarship
Timestamp Highlight: [09:22]

The Competition documents the experiences of teenage girls participating in America's Junior Miss, the nation's most lucrative scholarship competition held in Mobile, Alabama. Hosted by Shima Olier, a former contestant, the podcast offers an intimate look into the lives of these young women, especially in the context of significant societal changes like the overturning of Roe v. Wade.

Notable Quote:
"The whole time you're just rooting these girls on with her." - Latif at [10:32]

Clip Summary:
A poignant moment features contestant Selma discussing her upbringing and the pressures faced during rehearsals. The podcast not only highlights the competition but also delves into broader issues of socio-economic diversity and personal resilience.

3. Hysterical

Creator: Dan Taberski
Timestamp Highlight: [13:30]

Dan Taberski's Hysterical is a limited series that intertwines personal narrative with broader societal themes. Starting in 2011, the podcast follows a young woman dealing with a mysterious illness, blending elements of mystery and human interest.

Notable Quote:
"He's a great observer. He makes wonderful observations. It's funny, it's smart, it's kind." - Latif at [14:20]

Clip Summary:
The series explores complex topics like conversion disorders and Havana syndrome, all while maintaining a gentle and inquisitive tone. Taberski's immersive storytelling invites listeners to accompany him on a journey of discovery and empathy.

4. Handsome

Hosts: Tig Notaro, Fortune Feimster, Mae Martin
Timestamp Highlight: [16:12]

Handsome is a weekly comedic podcast where three distinct comedians share stories from their lives, offering humor and heart in equal measure. The hosts engage in light-hearted conversations about childhood antics, career experiences, and personal anecdotes.

Notable Quote:
"It's just done with such heart. They're absolutely hysterical together." - Latif at [16:20]

Clip Summary:
In a memorable episode, Tig Notaro recounts dressing up as John Travolta for Halloween, leading to unexpected social attention. The podcast blends relatable humor with unique perspectives, making it an ideal companion for evening downtime.

5. Judge John Hodgman

Host: Judge John Hodgman
Timestamp Highlight: [20:34]

A beloved show where Judge John Hodgman mediates quirky and humorous disputes among friends, families, and couples. Each episode presents unconventional problems that require Hodgman's unique brand of wisdom and wit.

Notable Quote:
"They're very, very weird problems, even weirder solutions." - Latif at [22:51]

Clip Summary:
In the episode titled "Mr. Commode's Wild Ride," Hodgman handles a bizarre request from a guest who wishes to have her ashes flushed down a toilet. The show balances absurdity with heartfelt resolutions, making it both funny and endearing.

6. Girl V Horse

Focus: Nicole "Teeny" Teeny's Journey
Timestamp Highlight: [22:56]

Girl V Horse is a compelling narrative podcast that chronicles the journey of Nicole "Teeny" Teeny, a long-distance runner with epilepsy, as she attempts to outrun a horse. The series combines elements of personal struggle, athletic ambition, and scientific exploration.

Notable Quote:
"The sound... It's really immersive and the story is good. It's got absolutely everything." - Latif at [22:56]

Clip Summary:
Listeners experience Teeny's challenges and triumphs firsthand, enriched by high-quality production that captures the essence of her mission. The podcast offers an inspiring tale of perseverance and the human spirit.

Listener Interactions

Throughout the episode, Alison and Lauren invite listeners to share their favorite podcasts and engage in the conversation via calls and texts.

Notable Listener Contributions:

• Alice from Nyack:
  "The podcast that I've heard that I think is absolutely hilarious is 'Were You Raised by Wolves?' The title just cracks me up, particularly because I do use that phrase myself."
  Timestamp: [19:12]

• Anonymous Texts:

  • "Check out the excellent new series De Novo about a migrant teenager who was deported from the U.S. It's a radio play, but also a podcast."
    Timestamp: [12:22]
  • "I listen to political podcasts during the day when I take a walk...I've been listening lately to Mobituaries with Morocca."
    Timestamp: [15:46]

Conclusion

Alison Stewart and Lauren Pacell wrap up the episode by reinforcing the curated podcast list, ensuring that listeners are well-equipped with entertaining and thought-provoking shows for their holiday travels. They tease the next episode, which will explore Thanksgiving topics such as managing family dynamics and preparing the perfect turkey, promising continued engagement and community building.

Closing Remark:
"Thanks so much. We're gonna talk about someone who is an oldie but a goodie, a friend of the show, Judge John Hodgman."
Timestamp: [20:34]

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All Of It continues to serve as a vibrant hub for cultural conversations, inviting listeners to explore the vast landscape of podcasting through curated recommendations and engaging discussions.

Transcript

[Latif]

Hey, it's Latif from Radiolab. Our goal with each episode is to make you think, how did I live this long and not know that? Radiolab Adventures on the Edge of what We Think We Know. Listen wherever you get. Podcasts.

[WNYC Studios]

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[Alison Stewart]

This is all of it on wnyc. I'm Alison Stewart. We just heard about the podcast chess piece about the Ellie and Gonzalez story, which got us thinking. Those of you who are taking a long plane, train or car ride for T day, we can be helpful. I'm joined by podcast industry expert Lauren Pacell. Lauren is the founder of Tink Media and curator of Podcast the newsletter. And she writes about podcasts for Life Hacker. She's here to provide us some recommendations. She's got a show about a scholarship competition for teen girls, mass hysteria and a New York town, juicy real life gossip from anonymous sources, and a whole bunch more. Lauren, welcome back to all of it.

[Latif]

Hi Allison. Thank you for having me back.

[Alison Stewart]

I love being here with you listeners. We want to hear your podcast recommendations. What podcasts have you enjoyed lately? What are you planning to, what are you planning to listen to next? What kind of shows do you want to Hear more of? 2124-3396-9221-2433-WNYC. You can call in and join us on air or you can text to us or you can send us a message on social media at all of it. Wnyc. Let me get a couple of general questions out there. There are so many podcasts, the number just keeps on growing. Are there specific podcasts that you particularly like to listen to while you travel?

[Latif]

While I'm traveling, I like to sometimes go back and binge something that everyone's been talking about that I haven't, I've never listened to. For example, there's this podcast called 36 Questions. Have you heard of it?

[Alison Stewart]

It's wildly popular.

[Latif]

It's been for a while and I've never listened to it and everyone's always talking about it. So it's kind of like I'm always saying to myself, I've got to listen to 36 questions. So that's on my list actually for my traveling this year. So I think of something that you've been meaning to listen to for a long time. That's always a good place to start.

[Alison Stewart]

What trends have you seen in podcasts in the past? You know, fall, summer?

[Latif]

Well, celebrity thing is still going strong, but I mean, and you know, personal narratives and you know, people going back to their where they're from Root Stories. Those have been popular for a long time. But I'm noticing two things. I'm noticing people offering, maybe I would call them helpful podcasts with creative solutions. Helpful podcasters with creative solutions. I'm thinking like, you know, there's this PJ Vote and Alex Goldman had a podcast called Reply all where they helped people solve Internet mysteries. I mean, it was an Internet podcast, but that was a big part of the show. And they both have kind of broken off to make these shows helping people solve mysteries using the Internet. PJ is called Search Engine. It's fantastic. Alex's is called Hyperfix. And then, you know, there used to be the show called how to Do Everything by the producers of. Wait, wait, don't tell me that's back. How to Do Everything. The Wire Cut and Wire Cutter made a podcast. Yeah, the Wirecutter podcast is amazing. Who could have thought laundry could be so compelling? Personal Best is a podcast from the CBC that they are helping people with like very silly, you know, they really take you on a journey to help people solve problems with using really silly things. And that was gone for five years and it's back. And then Yahweh Shah from Invisibilia has a podcast called Proxy where she's helping people find proxies to solve their situations. So I'd say it is kind of like, I kind of love it. It's like helpful. But than just. I'm going to get on the mic and tell you what I think it's like. We're going to really get in here and solve this with you.

[Rosie]

Fun fact. Wirecutter executive producer first. All of it. Executive producer on that show. What? Hi, Rosie.

[Latif]

Oh my goodness. Hi.

[Rosie]

Let's get your recommendations. We're starting with Normal Gossip. It's been around, I think for seven season it's all about normal gossip. So what entails normal gossip and how do they make it interesting?

[Latif]

Oh my goodness. I mean, this kind of came out of nowhere. I feel like it's kind of surprised everyone its popularity because it's such a simple thing. It sounds simple. It's one of those shows that I think actually probably is so much harder to make than it sounds. But you know, Kelsey McKinney is the host and she brings on a guest, usually someone funny and delightful and she's getting these user listener submitted stories about the kind of gossip that you would hear. It's not like big celebrity gossip. It's the kind of gossip you'd hear someone say, my mom heard this at the Salon in my hometown and Ohio. You know what I mean? The kind of stuff my aunt's cousin, you know, would refuse to go to the wedding. You know, it's that really juicy stuff where you just think, I love hearing this story because it does not impact me at all. And, you know, we have enough problems and really serious things to worry about. This is kind of like, ooh, I have to hear every why she did not wear the bridesmaids dress to the wedding or whatever. It's. But they're so good. But the reason is. And so she kind of. She takes the listeners stories and kind of mixes them up with other stories. So kind of anonymizes everything. But the reason it's so good is because of Kelsey. It is well written and produced, but she kind of makes you imagine being there. You know, she'll say, and then her earring, you know, fell on the floor. And we don't know if the person's earring fell on the floor. But the point is it doesn't matter because who cares what we're talking about as gossip? We're talking about these, like, universal stories of communication and getting along and, you know, so it's kind of like te idea about what it got, what gossip really is, what's true, what's not, what do you believe? You know, Anyway, so they're just really well told. And then Kelsey stops and pauses and asks the guest, what would you do next? What would you do next? So it's kind of a choose your own adventure too.

[Alison Stewart]

Let's listen to a clip from Normal Gossips. It's from a recent episode in which Kelsey recaps a piece of listener submitted gossip about petty thievery at a city sanitation department. The protagonist of the story has been looking for a Halloween costume for her baby, and one of her co workers brings her a handmade option. Let's listen.

[Serena]

Can you describe what you're saying here to the people?

[Violet]

Oh, my God. This is okay. This is so much better than I thought it would be. You have sent me a picture of the Statue of Liberty hat knitted with a surprising amount of structure. I'm like, really curious to know what's inside of it to make it hold its shape. It's a really faithful reproduction. My favorite part is the curls. The statue's curls, which are also knitted.

[Serena]

Yeah.

[Violet]

Oh, my God. That's weird.

[Serena]

Serena is presented with this and, you know, she appreciates craftsmanship. So she's like, oh, my God. It's like. It's so beautiful. Like, this is so well made. It's gorgeous. But, like, it's not really what I was looking for. Like, we're trying to go as a family to do a government service costume. And Violet's like, yes, this is perfect. The Statue of Liberty is a symbol of freedom.

[Violet]

Yeah.

[Serena]

And Serena is like, what? And Violet is like, my grandmother in law made this for me when I was a kid.

[Latif]

Wow.

[Serena]

And Serena's like, what is a grandmother in law? And Violet is like, oh, my uncle's mother.

[Violet]

What?

[Serena]

And Serena's like, your uncle the mayor. The mayor's mother made this costume. And Violet's like, yeah, he loves this costume. So it's the mayor's mother's costume, which she handmade for Violet when she was a baby. This woman is your boss's boss's mom. And it's not quite the vibe you were looking for for Halloween. What do you do here?

[Rosie]

What do you do? That's the question she asks all the time. You know, it's interesting because she always asks guests, like, what's their relationship to gossip? Has it reframed your relationship to gossip after you've listened to this podcast a million times?

[Latif]

I think it has just made me stop feeling shamed about enjoying gossip and realizing that there's something interesting going on.

[Serena]

Right.

[Latif]

Like we're telling each other stories and we're trying to figure out the world. So I think it'll make you feel a little less guilty for living gossip. Also, fun fact. My story is the listener submitted story on the episode, the first episode with Josh Gondelman way back at the beginning. Fun fact.

[Rosie]

That is a fun fact. And I'm busy after the show. Everybody knows what I'm going to be doing. All right, that was normal gossip. Our next one is the competition. It's about America's Junior Miss, which is the country's most lucrative scholarship for teen girls. It takes place in Mobile, Alabama. What does this competition entail for the contestants and how are we documenting it through a podcast?

[Latif]

Well, you know, the competition is. It's kind of like, you know, you're like Miss America kind of thing. And the host, Shima Olier, was actually in it as a teenager, and she's going back and kind of reporting on it. But it just. It's really great. She's getting really great tape, first of all. It's just fun to follow along, but I think she's getting even more than she bargained for because it's, you know, it's a snapshot of a teenage girl from one in each state and it's at the time during, when Roe v. Wade was overturned. So she's kind of hearing how they're reacting to that. They come from different classes, you know, different, like, situations. You know, she's really getting to know them, and she's really, like, you know, getting them on the mic and hearing about what their struggles are, what it's like, how it's different than it was when it was when she was going through it herself. So it's kind of like a personal journey into what. What it was like when she was doing it. And she's getting to know these girls, and it's really like that. It's kind of rare that she had all this time to spend with them and really be in on the competition. And you just feel like you're kind of rooting these girls on with her, like, the whole time.

[Alison Stewart]

Let's hear a clip. This is from the second episode of the series, the Competition. As rehearsals for the competition begin and the girls are starting to meet and get to know one another.

[Selma]

What was rehearsal like that first day?

[Violet]

I was overwhelmed. People already knew the choreography or were amazing at it, and I was barely, like, getting by. So the levels of kind of stress were a little bit higher for me than probably another girl that was practicing for a while.

[Selma]

But that's not the only difference New Mexico notices between herself and some of the other girls. Like, there's one girl, she literally had.

[Violet]

Five suitcases, and I was like, oh, my gosh. Like, I didn't even think, if I were to pack up my entire room, I don't think it'd be that many suitcases, like, she was set.

[Selma]

Salma was raised by a single mom who crossed the border when she was pregnant with Selma's oldest sister. When times got hard for her family, she and her siblings would step up. Selma started working at age 13.

[Violet]

I always thought that it was kind of normal that teenagers work, that teenagers help their parents pay rent. Those things were kind of normal to me.

[Selma]

When you get to Nationals, you notice right away that your normal might not be everyone's normal.

[Alison Stewart]

So, Lauren, this tackles big issues like socio class and economics.

[Latif]

Yeah, I. You think you're getting in for just a little, like, talent portion of a, you know, teenage competition. But it's. It's serious stuff. It's a really interesting way to look at it. Right. Because, you know, the Roe v. Wade gets overturned, you hear it happening in the moment, it's happening, and it's going to impact these girls, and they all have very different opinions about it. And just, it's just, it's. I can't really stop listening. I think once you start, you won't be able to stop.

[Alison Stewart]

Lauren Pacell, she is our ride along for some good podcasts to listen to over the holidays. We got a text here for a timely new series on migration. Check out the excellent new series De Novo about migrant teenager who was deported from the U.S. it's a radio play, but also a podcast. The first episode is available on Houses of the Moon podcast. Thanks for that text. If you'd like to get in on the conversation, our Phone number is 2124-3396-9221-2433 wnyc. We'll have more after a quick break. This is all of It. You are listening to all of it on wnyc. I'm Alison Stewart. My guest is Lauren Pacell, life hacker, podcast writer, Tink Media founder and our expert on some great podcasts to listen to over the hol. Another limited series you recommend that came out this year is called Hysterical. It's from reporter Dan Taberski. It starts out in 2011 in a small uptown state New York where a girl is struck by a serious illness. Let's listen to a little bit of the first episode.

[Dan Taberski]

In December of 2011, a young woman posted a video on YouTube.

[Violet]

Hi everyone, my name's and this is my first video.

[Dan Taberski]

She's got shiny red hair with side bangs and she's wearing a white graphic hoodie. A poster for the metal band Avenged Sevenfold is tacked to her bedroom wall behind her.

[Violet]

So I'll start off by telling you.

[Latif]

A little bit about myself.

[Violet]

I'm 16, I am in 11th grade and I play softball like all the time.

[Dan Taberski]

When she made this video, there was no TikTok, there was barely an Instagram. She's not looking to monetize, not trying to influence what this 16 year old is looking for is a little help. She's been having strange symptoms that so far no one can seem to explain.

[Alison Stewart]

So where does the story go from there?

[Latif]

I mean Dan is Taberski, who you may know, he's made some of the best things missing Richard Simmons the line like surviving my 2k running from cops. He's done some amazing things and this is his journey to trying to figure out, you know, it's a question that has come up a lot. This goes back to the Salem witch trials, you know, like people convulsing. This isn't something new and so it's not like he's going to crack this, you know, thousand, multi thousand year old mystery. But he is trying to figure out, you know, get into the lives of these girls and really live in the town for a little bit, see how the town is responding to them, the diagnoses that they're being given, the frustrations in the families. He's, he's exploring everything that everyone is saying could be wrong. And just, he is going in, in such a gentle way. You know, there's a way that you could do this where you're kind of, you know, doubting them and not taking them seriously. He really does. He's a great observer. He makes wonderful observations. It's. It's funny, it's smart, it's kind. And he's also introducing us to some things that we might not have ever heard of, you know, conversion disorders. He's talking about Havana syndrome. He really is trying to get to the bottom of this. And I'm not going to tell you if he does or not, but it's the fun we have along the way.

[Alison Stewart]

This is a text. I listen to political podcasts during the day when I take a walk. Right now I'm listening to David Serrata's master plan on how the rich took over America and how corruption became legal. At night, as I'm doing dishes and getting ready for bed, I don't listen to anything political. It's too upsetting. I've been listening lately to mobituaries with Morocca. It's fun listening and just the right length of time. So we'll go to something fun, too. It's called Handsome. It's a weekly podcast hosted by Tig.

[Rosie]

Notaro, Fortune Feimster and Mae Martin.

[Alison Stewart]

They are three very different comedians.

[Rosie]

What kind of topics do they discuss on the podcast?

[Latif]

Oh, my goodness. It's. I don't generally listen to chat shows. It's just whatever is going on in their lives. But there's, you know, they talk about things from when they were kids. They tell old stories about themselves. They talk about being on tour. You know, Tig is in movies. You know, Tig talks about movies. They. It's really just. Just a chat show, but it's just done with such heart. They're absolutely hysterical together. And they've recently started releasing mini episodes where they take questions, they answer questions from listeners, and they. Every single episode, they answer a question from a celebrity. And that kind of kicks things off and gets them talking. But really they're so talented and funny. They can talk about anything and you'd really be enjoying yourself.

[Rosie]

Let's Listen to a clip. Here's Tig Notaro talking about dressing up as John Travolta when she was a kid.

[Tig Notaro]

For Halloween, you know, I had a white T shirt, leather jacket, tennis shoes, and then my hair was slicked back. And, you know, that's that thing where it's like, that's so awesome that my mother thought I looked so cool and takes me to this party, drops me off, and guess what I didn't account for. All of the girls wanted to dance with me and wanted to. Were kissing me on my cheek, and I was like. Like, whoa. This was not in the plan. I was just. I was just here to look cool.

[Latif]

You must have been.

[Tig Notaro]

My motorcycle is out outside, and I'm gonna hop on it and blaze if you cats don't step back. Ladies, you were very convincing as Travolta. Yeah, they went nuts.

[Latif]

Yeah.

[Alison Stewart]

For a lot of queer kids, Halloween's a chance to have that, like, gender euphoria almost. You get to dress up like.

[Latif]

Yeah.

[Alison Stewart]

How you feel inside, and you're.

[Latif]

Yeah. Then why did I go dressed as alf?

[Alison Stewart]

Oh, it's so funny. It sort of reminds me of, like, a queer smartless.

[Latif]

Yeah, that's a great way to think about it.

[Alison Stewart]

Let's. We got a question that says, I'm addicted to advice columns. Any fun podcast besides Dear Prudence? I would love one with lots of wedding drama. You know, kid Free Destination, Bridezilla. Do you have any suggestions?

[Latif]

Oh, do I. Oh, my goodness. There's a podcast called awesome Etiquette, and it's run by the Emily Post Foundation. Okay. That is something I could binge for hours and hours and hours because it's a lot of people that some of the problems. There's a lot of questions about the invitation. Didn't have dots between the rsvp. Do you think I should say something? You know, it's. Oh, my goodness, talk about stuff that doesn't matter. But really, really, these writers get very invested. So the grandchildren of Emily Poster ANSW questions. It's. I love it. I love it. And you will, too.

[Alison Stewart]

Let's take a call. Alice is calling in online. One from Nyack. Hi, Alice. Thanks for calling.

[Alice]

Hi. Thank you for taking my call. The podcast that I've heard that I think is absolutely hilarious is. Were you raised by wolves? I think the title just cracks me up, first of all, particularly because I do use that phrase myself. Also, I think there's part of. Part of it is a generational divide here that just tickles me because the hosts sound very young And I'm in my late 70s, and they just sound like they are having so much fun. And many of the people who call also seem to be very young. And they haven't a clue. They are just like they're from outer space. The episode that I remember so clearly had to do with bringing people to a wedding that weren't invited. I mean, who does that? But.

[Alison Stewart]

Thank you for calling on that one. That's a good caller. Thanks so much. We're gonna talk about someone who is an oldie but a goodie, a friend of the show, Judge John Hodgman. You were actually on an episode a few years ago.

[Latif]

Yes. I mean, this is a great one to binge if you've got a long road trip because it's just one of the funniest shows of all time.

[Alison Stewart]

Let's listen to a clip from the episode which is called Mr. Commode's Wild Ride.

[Latif]

I guess I get her point, but I guess the point is I don't get her point because I don't get why it's such a big deal. I don't understand. I just don't. I'm sorry. I'm shocked, frankly, that this is an issue. Mom, I have a question.

[WNYC Studios]

Yes, go ahead. I'll allow it.

[Latif]

Thank you. Would you be able to flush my ashes down the toilet? Sure.

[WNYC Studios]

All right. Asked and answered. Now, Lauren, people are.

[Latif]

Heck, I'll flush you down the toilet right now.

[WNYC Studios]

Different people are different people, Lauren. They have different feelings. Right? So try to describe to your mom how you would feel standing over a non tiki themed toilet, dumping your mom's ashes and flushing it down.

[Latif]

I mean, this sounds all very silly, but it's not. My mom is. Mom, I love you more than anything. You're my best friend. You know this. We go to Disney World four times a year like we do. Disney is our place.

[Rosie]

Was it helpful to be on the show?

[Latif]

I mean, it was in that my mom and I had the best time being on the show. So what was going on there is my mother wants me to flush her ashes down the toilet in Walt Disney World when she passes away. And I'm like, I'm not doing that. So it's couples, it's families, it's partners that have an argument that Judge only Judge John Hodgman can solve. And it's treated with a little bit of seriousness, like it feels like a courtroom, but it's so sweet. The guests always have the funniest things. One of my favorites is this husband and wife made up a pie of the month club for the husband's mom. But they were making the pies themselves and lying to her. And the wife was like, this has to stop. And the husband's like, we can't stop now. Like, they're very, very weird problems, even weirder solutions. And Judd John Hodgson is the best.

[Rosie]

And your last suggestion is Girl V Horse. What's this about?

[Latif]

Oh, my goodness. Girl V horse. It's a 33rd, 30 for 30 podcast. It is about this girl named Nicole Teeny, they call her Teeny. And she is a long distance runner, but she has epilepsy and she kind of challenges herself to kind of like, you know, deal with her epilepsy by wanting to outrun a horse. So this whole thing is about her mission to outrun a horse. And, you know, it really gets into you're on this path with her getting there, and you actually get to hear her running with the horse in the end. But along the way it's about, you know, her epilepsy. It's described, you know, she describes her feeling the epilepsy coming on like thundering horses in her head. And, you know, it's about her relationship with her partner who's there for her throughout this entire thing. And it also brings in a lot of science and she talks to experts and she goes horseback riding. But really the thing that makes this impossible to stop listening to is the sound. There's almost nothing like it. It's really, really good production. It's really immersive and the story is good. It's got absolutely everything.

[Alison Stewart]

Lauren Pessell is a life hacker Pod, excuse me, Life hacker podcast writer, Tinker Media, founder and curator of the podcast. The newsletter just gave you great suggestions for your long trip, your long trip home to the holidays. Lauren, hey, thanks so much for joining us. We really appreciate you taking the time.

[Latif]

Thank you. Happy listening, everybody.

[Alison Stewart]

And that is all of it joining us tomorrow. Please do for some Thanksgiving help from dealing with difficult family members and dynamics at the dinner table to how to prepare the turkey. We've got questions, we've got answers from experts like Jeffrey Greif and Melissa Clark. That is all of it. I'm Alison Stewart. I appreciate you listening and I do appreciate you. I will meet you back here tomorrow.