Podcast Summary: All Of It – Episode 'Conclave' with Stanley Tucci and Edward Berger

Introduction

In this episode of All Of It, hosted by Alison Stewart, WNYC delves into the acclaimed film Conclave with special guests actor Stanley Tucci and director Edward Berger. Released on December 19, 2024, Conclave has garnered significant attention, earning 11 Critics' Choice Award nominations and several Golden Globe nominations, including Best Picture. Now available for streaming on Peacock, the film offers a gripping portrayal of the intricate and often clandestine process of selecting a new Pope following the death of the incumbent.

Film Overview

Conclave centers around the death of the Pope, prompting a gathering of cardinals tasked with electing his successor. The narrative unfolds as various factions emerge, representing different theological and political ideologies. The candidates include:

• A staunch traditionalist
• A center-right conservative
• A figure with homophobic views
• A newcomer with exceptionally liberal perspectives

Stanley Tucci portrays Aldo Bellini, an American cardinal advocating for progressivism. Early in the film, Bellini expresses ambivalence about the papacy, highlighting his internal conflict and moral compass.

Notable Clip Analysis

A pivotal scene features Cardinal Bellini (Tucci) conversing with Cardinal Dean Lawrence (Ralph Fiennes):

• [00:56] Stanley Tucci as Aldo Bellini:

  "Father Bellini. Aldo. Am I the last one?... No sane man would want the papacy... What if I know in my heart that I am not worthy?"

This exchange underscores Bellini's humility and the weight of responsibility that comes with the potential role of Pope.

Guest Insights

Stanley Tucci on His Role and Character Development

Tucci discusses his character’s journey, emphasizing the theme of self-discovery and trust:

• [04:20] Stanley Tucci:

  "Sometimes you become friends... morally, they are twins, I think... that's what brings them together."

He elaborates on Bellini's realization of his true desires and self-worth, stating:

• [13:04] Stanley Tucci:

  "He thinks he doesn't want it because we don't. He doesn't know himself yet... We all think we know ourselves, but we don't."

Edward Berger on Directing and Casting

Director Edward Berger shares his experience in bringing Conclave to life, highlighting the importance of timing and casting:

• [02:13] Edward Berger:

  "It's the perfect timing, actually, for both of them... finding wonderful actors like Stanley Tucci."

He emphasizes the chemistry between Tucci and Ralph Fiennes, noting how their differing personalities enhance their on-screen friendship:

• [06:02] Edward Berger:

  "They have very different acting styles that I think can complement each other beautifully."

Balancing Drama and Humor

While Conclave is primarily a drama, Berger explains the infusion of humor to add depth and relatability:

• [08:50] Edward Berger:

  "It's a thriller and it's dramatic, but it's... the actors bring the humor to the film."

He provides examples of unexpected elements, such as placing modern objects in sacred settings, to elicit genuine laughter from both characters and the audience.

Themes and Messages

The conversation delves into the central themes of the film, particularly the significance of doubt and self-trust in leadership:

• [14:06] Edward Berger:

  "He says, the next pope, someone who has doubts... no one knows in faith or politics... the expression of doubt invites discussion."

Stanley Tucci adds his perspective on the film's relevance to current political climates, emphasizing the portrayal of political intrigue without overt messaging:

• [19:12] Stanley Tucci:

  "The movie has the machinations of what's happening and the political intrigue... it's on a precipice politically... we're seeing it unfold before us."

Personal Reflections and Production Insights

Stanley Tucci on Personal Beliefs and Acting

Tucci reflects on his relationship with religion, influenced by his upbringing and personal beliefs:

• [15:50] Stanley Tucci:

  "I was raised Catholic... I don't think that... I'm not a religious person, and that's my choice."

He discusses how portraying Bellini allowed him to revisit and reinterpret his own experiences with faith and morality.

Edward Berger on Filming in Rome

Berger shares his decision to film Conclave in Rome, highlighting how the city's atmosphere and architecture enriched the film's authenticity:

• [17:53] Edward Berger:

  "Rome became such an important element to the shooting and to the atmosphere of the film... the humanity became the main driving force for the film."

Conclusion

The episode concludes with insights into the collaborative dynamic between Tucci and Berger, underscoring their mutual respect and shared vision for Conclave. Tucci remarks on their real-life friendship enhancing their on-screen chemistry:

• [06:59] Stanley Tucci:

  "We are very different people... it just felt inherently right."

Gerger echoes this sentiment, highlighting the complementary nature of their performances and the film's exploration of trust, doubt, and moral integrity.

Final Thoughts

Conclave emerges as a compelling drama that intricately weaves political maneuvering with profound personal journeys. Through the nuanced performances of Stanley Tucci and Ralph Fiennes, and Edward Berger's adept direction, the film invites audiences to ponder the complexities of leadership, faith, and the human condition.

For those interested in exploring these themes further, Conclave is now available for streaming on Peacock.