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This is all of it on wnyc. I'm Alison Stewart. If you've walked through lower Manhattan, you may have passed Isamu Noguchi's bright red cube on Broadway. I have a picture of my son standing in front of it when he was a little guy. That's part of what I'd love about Noguchi's work. It becomes part of the city and part of our memories of it. Noguchi once described himself as not Japanese, not a citizen of the world, just a New Yorker who goes wandering around. In 1961, he bought an industrial building in Queens where he lived and worked. He later established the Noguchi Museum across the street. He called it a gift to the city. The exhibition, Noguchi's New York explores his six decade relationship with the city. It includes familiar landmarks along with ambitious playgrounds, public spaces, and even a sculpture designed to be seen from the air. Some of his projects never made it past the planning stage. Noguchi's New York is on view through September 13th. Curator Kate Weiner was so excited about this show as well, as was museum director Amy Howe, who worked with Noguchi for about two years before he passed away.
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I think he was very much, very often people will call him a polymath, and he really was in so many ways. In the time that I worked with him, he would be on 10,000 projects. It seemed like, you know, he could be sitting in the room talking about a book project, planning an exhibition, and, you know, have several sculptural projects in mind. And the minute he got out of New York to travel, he would be working on those ideas always bring home, you know, this idea that we have to push ourselves to think about our environment, think about things that surround us, people who surround us, how to build community. So those are the lessons I learned from him in those early days.
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Katie designed furniture, he made sets for Martha Graham. He made these beautiful sculptures. In your mind, what was similar about these items and then what was different for him?
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I think for Noguchi, all of this fell within his broad definition of sculpture. And he had a really beautiful way of talking about how he thought all sculpture should be useful. But use could mean a light that you use in your house, a table that you use, but also a carved stone that helps you understand your place in time and your relationship to nature. For him, they were all tools for helping us better relate to each other and to the world around us. But he did have an incredibly prolific and multifaceted practice.
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Amy he lived all over the world. Why did he decide he was a New Yorker.
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You know, he was born in Los Angeles, was raised in his formative years in Japan. And coming to New York as a teenager, really thinking about his career, what he was going to do in life. And, you know, he had mentors who were directing him to Columbia for a medical program. And his mother came back from New York at that time, and she was really a big influence on him and suggested that he should give up everything else but just focus on art making. And I think New York just spurred so much inspiration for him. He met incredible people here in New York in the early days, really explored so many different facets of life in New York. There are writers, there are other artists, there are thinkers. His best friend, Buckminster Fuller, was somebody who was so influential. I mean, the two of them were just bonded for life, but spent a lot of time here in New York thinking about the future of the world, the future of their careers and what they thought were important and how to go about realizing those projects. We can, but we don't have to. And that's so exciting to this day. Yeah.
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Before we get into the exhibit, Kate,
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what was the studio like when he first moved in?
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Yeah, so he initially, when he moved out there, he had been traveling around the world, and he came back to New York City. He gave this great interview with the Village Voice, where he said, you know, I traveled around the world six times over like a homeless waif, and I can. There's no place like home, and New York is the center from which all ideas radiate. He first was trying to move back to Greenwich Village, where he initially had a studio, but, like many, got priced out. Remembering the kind of old stone yards in that industrial neighborhood in Queens where he used to go to source materials. He found this location where he could be at a remove in some sense, but also still kind of deeply connected to the city. And when he first created the museum, there was actually this window that we still have, but you could see out to the Empire State Building and the Chrysler Building. So I think there was always that connection between the two spaces.
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We're talking about an exhibit at the Noguchi Museum in Queens called Noguchi's New York. My guests are museum director Amy Howe and curator Kate Weiner. It's on view through September 13th. All right, Kate, how did the exhibition come about?
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Yeah, so we're celebrating the 40th anniversary of the museum this year, and we were really trying to think about this institution in context of his larger practice and how in many ways, it's kind of the culmination of his decades long effort to really sculpt New York City into a place for connection, for community, for coming together. And it was really a triumph for him after so many projects that he was dreaming of didn't come into fruition, to be able to create this space fully according to his wishes. The sculpted environment was an incredible achievement. So the show, in many ways, is trying to think about our institution in the context of that story.
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Amy, where did you start in terms of the exhibition? Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, I came back as director in 2024 and, you know, in speaking with Kate, I was very interested in celebrating Isamu Noguchi, of course, but the museum that he founded, and I just recall that he had said to me once, you know, this was a gift to the city. What he created here was not for him. It was not a vanity project. He really wanted to share his environment with the public. He wanted people to come and just remained with me this whole time that he really thought of this as a way to reach others. And being a community member within Queens, I lived there practically all my life. It was just a really resounding pride for me to have this privilege of sharing this with our community. And our growth has been just extraordinary in the 40 years since the beginning back in 1985. And that's the key. Like, we really wanted to think about how Isamu Noguchi, just a single artist on his own, thinking about his career, but not in a sort of extraordinary way, very humbly, just wanting to share what he did and to share these ideas and hope to inspire younger generations coming through to see life and environment and art all differently.
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Kate, there's a map that shows his unrealized projects, the projects that were realized that are no longer there, and the ones that still exists. Out of the projects which went unrealized, what do they have in common?
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They're really quite diverse. And actually, in doing research for the show, I learned about ones that I had previously not known, but they're kind of scraps of records in our archive that at one point he was asked to design the sculpture garden at moma. That never happened. And my favorite, I think, is he was asked to asked by the president of the Zoological Society to design play equipment for apes at the Bronx Zoo. No record of that, but I would have loved to imagine what he might have created. But I think in all of them, they were really spaces of coming together, of playfulness, of joy, of connection with nature. A lot of them were projects for new sky rises that were coming up in the city. So he was really tied into that kind of modernist history also. But, yeah, they're really far ranging.
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Which one seemed like a long shot to you, Amy?
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The New York Zoological Society. I think that was really eye opening for me. I mean, I thought I'd seen everything over the years, working through the archives and looking at Noguchi's work, and that was astonishing to have that discovery. I'm like, wow. We knew that he spent a lot of time at the Bronx Zoo because there are drawings in the collection where he did many sketches of different animals. And I think there was a letter somewhere that he talked about going to the Bronx Zoo for sketching. So this time into a potential project was very exciting for us to discover. And it was early on. It was very early on. In the 40s.
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Yeah. One of the things that caught my eye was something that said a sculpture to be seen from air, which tells me a lot about him, that he thinks about things in a different way.
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You know what I mean?
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The remarkable thing about that is actually. So his first proposal for New York City was called Play Mountain, and he was envisioning transforming an entire city block into a mountain for kids to play on. He pitched this very earnestly to Robert Moses, who he remembered laughing him out of the room. And also an early New Deal organization, the pwap, and they turned him down vigorously, they said. They turned their thumbnails down, their thumbs down so hard they almost broke their thumbnails. And they asked him to come back with a project with a more sculptural character if he was gonna get on the payroll. And his response was to pitch them. Sculpture to be Seen. So an enormous earthwork that you would only see from planes over Newark Airport. And I just love that. For him, that was pure sculpture. That was what it meant to create artwork for the city and for the people, and that there's an incredible idealism that runs through all of these projects that was quite extraordinary.
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Yeah. Amy. It's interesting, as I was looking at the list of things he planned, they were third spaces, which we talk about a lot, and playgrounds a lot. What interest did he have in playgrounds?
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Yeah, people often ask me that question. I always think that, you know, a child at heart, perhaps. But I think more so than that, he really treasured encouraging people to use their imagination. To use your imagination to transform a space, to use your imagination to think about what are good designs, what are bad designs, what are things that inspire you, how do you interact with nature. Again, as Kate mentioned earlier, I think These are just provocations for us to help us traverse the world.
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I'm speaking with museum director Amy Howe and curator Kate Weiner at the Noguchi Museum. We're talking about Noguchi's New York, which is on view now through September 13th. Amy, we see his contribution to the World's Fair in 1939. Would you describe what he contributed to this?
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I think I'll let Kate.
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I'll let Kate. Sure.
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Yeah. He had a bunch of different proposals. The ones that we highlight in the show are a realized project that he was able to create for the Ford Pavilion. That was this incredible fountain that was at the center of the pavilion, and swirling around it was what was called the Road of Tomorrow, so you could be driven around in a new Ford car. And his sculpture, he said, was supposed to be like the guts of a new V8 engine, celebrating that kind of technology driving us forward. But we also found records that he was working on a Labor Pavilion sculpture. The Labor Pavilion never came to be, but he was going to create an enormous sculpture of a worker kind of holding up the institution. And we found some records that he was also working on a mural for that with Philip Guston, but we haven't been able to find any kind of documents, sketches.
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Also in the exhibit, there's a map of his existing sculptures, which were in
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the city, but also places where he lived and his studios. He had so many homes in New York before he went to Queens. Why was it important to show all the different places he lived?
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It was extraordinary for me. I had just never really plotted them out on a map before or tried to make a list. And in doing that, it was just incredible to see how many different places in the city he was connected to, that he was working and meeting people. I think we often think of him rooted in Queens, and he was at some point, because that's where his institution is. But he was making connections all over the place and really saw the city through so many shifts in the six decades that he was here.
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I walk by there all the time that he had a studio and lived
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there, a gorgeous studio that had a garden in the back. There are really phenomenal photographs that are taken of him there.
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All right, so people are very excited about Noguchi's work. Where can they see it in the city? Amy?
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Well, there's the Red Cube, of course. Everybody's been talking a lot about that. I think there'll be crowds at the Red Cube.
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My son loved it. I have a picture of him as a little kid in front of that he loves it. He's 17 now.
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And a block away from there is the Folsom center, which was the Chase Manhattan Bank Plaza that was commissioned back in the 50s, 60s. I'm forgetting my dates. But also the Associated Press plaque in Rock Center. So that's a little known one. I think people are surprised to learn that Isamu Noguchi did that work and so many other objects, sculptures themselves, in museum collections. So the Whitney right now has a wonderful display of about 6, 7 objects in their collection. They loaned us a couple, which was fantastic. Thank you, Whitney, for the loan. And, you know, the Met also the beautiful sculpture outside, unidentified object, which is displayed as part of our brochure. That object is actually in front of the Met now. That was installed by the Public Art Fund back in the 80s, and after that it went to the Met. And the Metropolitan Museum also has a wide variety of works by him. They collected his work very early on and Even in the 80s, about a year before he passed away, and they were redoing their Asian wing and Japanese wing. They invited him to come and install the waterstone there. So I was really privileged to have witnessed him installing that the day of. And it was so exciting as a young person working for great master Kate.
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When you look at the show, it's clear he has civic ambitions for this city. What were they?
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I think partly what was interesting for me in doing research on the show was realizing that some of that civic ambition was really bred in 1930s New York, when artists were thinking in a new way about what it meant to be a public servant, about creating public art. And I think that that really deeply impacted him, even though his style changed quite deeply from, you know, Associated Press, the plaque he made. But I think that idea that he could use his art to serve people, to create spaces for connection, for community, for contemplation, that he held onto his entire life. And it was an idea. Yeah, really, that he cultivated here.
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What do you hope that people get out of the show?
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A sense of joy. Absolutely. A sense of joy. And to really be inspired to think about what they can do in their own practice, in life. Sharing with nature, sharing with friends and community the ideas about art.
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What do you hope people get out of the show?
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As a curator, I guess I was really inspired by Noguchi's kind of restless idealism and ambition and this kind of lifelong belief that he could transform the city and the world that he lived in, even kind of against the odds and facing so many rejections that he still held onto that belief and I hope it inspires people to think of their city anew and how they might want to continue to improve it and make new spaces for joy and connection and creativity.
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What a lovely sentiment. Noguchi's New York is on view through September 13th. That was my conversation with museum director Amy Howe and curator Kate Weiner. Truck driver Joe Macken spent more than 20 years building new York City in miniature. Now his model is on exhibit at the Museum of the City of New York. Stay with us.
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Podcast: All Of It with Alison Stewart (WNYC)
Date: August 12, 2026
This episode explores the profound legacy of designer and sculptor Isamu Noguchi in shaping New York City’s artistic and urban landscape. Host Alison Stewart is joined by Amy Howe (Museum Director, Noguchi Museum) and Kate Weiner (Curator), who discuss the new exhibition “Noguchi’s New York,” Noguchi’s definition of sculpture, his ambitious unrealized projects, and his enduring mission to foster community, imagination, and public engagement through art.
Purpose:
Noguchi’s Practice:
On Noguchi’s breadth:
“In the time that I worked with him, he would be on 10,000 projects...always bring home this idea that we have to push ourselves to think about our environment…how to build community.”
—Amy Howe ([01:31])
On Noguchi’s definition of sculpture:
“For him, they were all tools for helping us better relate to each other and to the world around us.”
—Kate Weiner ([02:23])
On the early vision for Queens:
“I traveled around the world six times over like a homeless waif, and I can. There’s no place like home, and New York is the center from which all ideas radiate.”
—Kate Weiner, quoting Noguchi ([04:14])
On the ambitious but rejected playground proposal:
“He pitched this very earnestly to Robert Moses, who…laughed him out of the room. …The [New Deal organizers] turned their thumbs down so hard they almost broke their thumbnails.”
—Kate Weiner ([09:13])
On imagination and play:
“He really treasured encouraging people to use their imagination to transform a space…these are just provocations for us to help us traverse the world.”
—Amy Howe ([10:22])
Curating Noguchi’s legacy:
“We really wanted to think about how Isamu Noguchi…just wanting to share what he did…hoping to inspire younger generations coming through to see life and environment and art all differently.”
—Amy Howe ([05:57])
Hopes for visitors:
“A sense of joy. And to really be inspired to think about what they can do in their own practice, in life. Sharing with nature, sharing with friends and community the ideas about art.”
—Amy Howe ([15:33])
“I was really inspired by Noguchi’s kind of restless idealism…this kind of lifelong belief that he could transform the city and the world that he lived in, even…facing so many rejections that he still held onto that belief.”
—Kate Weiner ([15:50])
This episode provides a vibrant, insightful snapshot of Isamu Noguchi’s multidisciplinary influence on New York—spanning public sculpture, industrial design, and urban imagination. Both guests illuminate Noguchi not only as an artist but as a visionary community builder whose playfulness, civic spirit, and unflagging idealism invite future generations to see the city (and world) as a canvas for joy, connection, and creative transformation.
Exhibition: “Noguchi’s New York” is on view at the Noguchi Museum in Queens through September 13th.